Pivot - Trump vs. Iran on Twitter, more on HQ2 incentives, and 'mandatory happiness'

Episode Date: January 7, 2020

Kara and Scott talk about how Trump has been escalating US conflict with Iran on Twitter. They also discuss how politics were downplayed at the Golden Globes, but big tech took a lot of snark -- especially from our favorite rebel Sascha Baron Cohen. Kara's win is Richard Plepler, the former CEO/Chairman of HBO moving his production company to Apple. In fails, it turns out that New York City offered Amazon even more incentives for HQ2 than previously reported. Plus Kara and Scott give us some "mandatory moments of happiness". Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm coming for those Norwegians. Why? What did they do to you, Scott? Those oil-rich, nice people. Except have fantastic hair. They have good hair. They're cod or whatever it is. What is it?

What's awesome? What are Norwegians known for? What's the Norwegian cuisine du jour? I don't know. I don't know. I haven't been to Norway ever. Oh, it's nice. I don't know.

Every Northern European country is sort of you go there and you're like, these people get it. They just have nicer lives. They do. The people are better looking. So that's why you want to invade them? No, I was making light of the president's errant use of a platform. Yes, of Twitter. I understand what you were doing.

So let's discuss that. Trump tweeted that he would attack 52 sites that are important to Iran, including cultural sites. He also informed Congress under the War Powers Act, I guess, that he was going to do what he was going to do using Twitter. And he said, this is my—this is the way I'm going to inform you of this, which was kind of nuts. Usually, it's a little different from a day that will live in infamy, which was a speech that Franklin Roosevelt gave. On Twitter, he's using it pretty much to conduct whatever he's doing. And Congress sort of is sitting on their hands nearby, not knowing what to do. So, what do you think about this, Scott? I know you don't like to wade into politics, but this is sitting on their hands nearby, not knowing what to do. So what do you think about this, Scott?

I know you don't like to wade into politics, but this is the story of the week, essentially. Yeah, I got a lot here. I think there's a lot around strategy. Let's just work backwards from announcing on Twitter he was going to attack 52 cultural sites. That is a war crime. And Robert McNamara, the secretary of defense during the Vietnam years, who was actually a brilliant guy, said that you can't defeat an enemy without really empathizing with them. So let's try to empathize a little bit with the Iranians, whether you think the war is justified or the conflict or what could break into a war is justified. In 1952, the CIA orchestrates the coup and they overthrow a democratically elected leader there and we install our guy who's corrupt. So the Iranians, bottom line, just don't like us much. And if you

were to, if we were to announce via Twitter, or better yet, if the Iranians were to announce via Twitter that, okay, over the next 90 days, we're going to execute a cyber attack or an act of military intervention or terrorism on a public university, an amusement park, Monticello, and a tech campus? How would we react to that? There is nobody at home with a whiteboard and a pen going on a risk-adjusted basis what happens with these decisions and who garners or cedes advantage. These strategically are just the stupidest decisions in the world.

I hate to tell you. Do you know who you sound like today? Tucker Carlson. Tucker's right on this issue. Tucker's right on this issue. 100%. Well, it's interesting. Who's benefiting here?

It's really, but let's get back to the Trump thing. Using the platforms, again, to govern is really fascinating. I don't know what to say about it. I don't know if you should take them off Twitter or not take them. A lot of people are calling for that. What do you do? What do you do? Nothing. What do you think Twitter does? I don't know what to say about it. I don't know if you should take him off Twitter or not take him. A lot of people are calling for that. What do you do? What do you do? What do you do? Nothing. What do you think Twitter does? I don't know what they can do. Nothing. What do you do? You don't take him off. You can't. He's president. It doesn't say you can't do that, right? He specializes as it doesn't say you can't.

And so I don't know what you do. I don't know if you, like there are a lot of people are saying, oh, he's threatening violence. He's threatening this. And of course he is. But what what you do. I don't know if you, like there are a lot of people who are saying, oh, he's threatening violence. He's threatening this. And of course he is. But what do you do? I think the stuff he did about the cultural sites is just ridiculous because he's actually committing crimes in front of people, which is his kind of M.O. Years from now, it will be used in court, I suppose, depending on what happens. But I think one of the things that is disturbing is that he's governing by it, and he's been doing it since he did the Commerce Department thing. He did things like gender people

in the military. And so he's using Twitter as his governing vehicle, as he's used it for his campaign vehicle. And it's the one and the same thing. And I think that's really fascinating. And I just, I don't know what to do. What would you do if you were Jack Dorsey? I don't, you know, the bottom line is they're in an impossible situation, and I agree with you. I don't think they can do anything. But, I mean, I apologize for regressing into general strategy here, but look at what they've done here. I like General Scott Galloway. With the JCPOA, with the Iranian nuclear deal, the Europeans and the Americans had some leverage over the U.S.,

and we were starting to talk again, and it felt like both sides were making body language that they wanted to have greater diplomacy. And all of a sudden, with that greater diplomacy and some sympathy towards the West, you had a younger generation of Iranians. I grew up in L.A. Some of my best friends, I know this, when people say it, the Iranian culture is a super impressive culture. The Iranians I know are more American than almost any immigrants I know. They value education. They like to make money. They're industrious. They're smart. They have incredible respect for culture. This is an impressive culture and an impressive people. And you had a young cohort that was starting to protest in the streets. They didn't like the

conservative hardliners. And what have we done? We have handed a gift to the conservative hardliners. Everyone is now rallying around them. And we had given them license to attack a nation that is run by a guy who is under impeachment for high crimes and misdemeanors by one of the branches of government, has rules of populace, or rules of populace, presides over a populace that is not going to go into the Middle East a third time. So we are just flaccid. We are running up to these guys, forcing them to respond. We have special ops. It does play into their hands.

We have special ops posts and bases all over the Middle East that are vulnerable now. They could fire rockets into Israel. They could mess with the Straits of Hormuz. They could cyber attack medical facilities in the U.S. We have so many vulnerabilities right now. I think cybersecurity is going to be the real issue. They've already started. And I think Iran has been a big player. We focus a lot on the Russians, but Iran has been a big player in cyber attacks. And I think that's definitely going to be something. One of the things I spent time explaining to my kid this week was like, well, why – this guy was terrible, the general they killed.

And as a terrorist, he's 100 percent a killer and a terrorist. But it plays right into their hands. You're right. Which one do you want to pick to kill of these terrible people running Iran? But you're right. It's a really – it just has no strategy. There wasn't any. Why would you think there was any strategy? It's totally impulsive. And I think what – it just has no strategy. There wasn't any. Why would you think there was any strategy?

It's totally impulsive. And I think what – the best story I think of all, and then let's get to other topics, is the Times story about how the government, the people from the Defense Department gave him 10 options or whatever, how many options they give the president. And Obama and George Bush had, George Bush part two, had passed on this option. They always put it on there. Like, here's the crazy option number 10, and he goes right to the crazy option. And what do they do? They shouldn't put it on there. They shouldn't give him the idea to do it. That's what's amazing is that he went and everyone sort of, everyone in the defense department off the record is telling The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal and Washington Post, we don't – this is crazy, the cultural sites. This is crazy having attacked him.

But they did it anyway and then they don't talk on the record. That's my – like I'm like is someone going to speak up on the record that this is insanity? And of course they're not. Yeah, there's so much that's really frightening here, because greatness is in the agency of others. There is a wisdom of crowds, and he is clearly not listening to even second-order security analysts or NSA analysts or CIA analysts who might say, you know what? Somebody in the room raised their hand and said, okay, there is a very moral, a legal, and a strategic justification for taking out Suleiman. He was the entity, the strategist behind a lot of proxy attacks that killed Americans. I get it. I'm glad he's dead. The

question is, should they have done it in Baghdad? And, you know, dig chaining on the ship when they go back to Iraq, they would always start their defense or Prime Minister Tony Blair with, well, I think the world is better with Saddam Hussein dead. No, he's not. Bring him back. An awful man. Absolutely. I don't believe in heaven and hell, but would serve time in hell, no doubt. We are worse off because he's dead. And with Suleiman killed in Baghdad, we are worse off. And the most frightening thing here is he is clearly not listening to anybody at the... I know people at the NSA. I know people at the CIA. They are way too smart to have recommended this course of action. So we have a rogue president without the support. He goes to Lindsey Graham. What does that

mean? And doesn't inform Democratic senators, regardless of political bias here. If he needs money to fight the war that he might have catalyzed, he's not going to get it. So every day he speaks louder and cuts his stick in half. It's really interesting. It's really—especially the backdrop of the impeachment hearings that are coming back this week. That's going to obviously take attention. And Nancy Pelosi still hasn't delivered the articles of impeachment to the Senate yet. So—and just right now, as I was coming in, apparently John Bolton's willing to testify to be subpoenaed, which he's not going to be, which was interesting. This whole thing is like the wheels are coming off the bus. But we'll see where it goes.

I hate to move on to something so ridiculous, but the Golden Globes, of course, took place, which was fascinating. Nice segue. Thank you. Which was fascinating that it didn't talk a lot about Trump the whole time. Usually he's been the topic of Hollywood's ire quite a bit, but actually the tech companies got whacked at Golden Globes. Did you see the opening though? Did you see Ricky Gervais' opening? Yes, about Apple?

Which one? Well, he just— About Netflix. You said they didn't talk about— If ISIS had a streaming service. He didn't talk about Trump. The reason they didn't talk about Trump was he summarized it perfectly. He said, okay, if ISIS started a streaming video platform, you'd have their agent call them.

So let's—do us all a favor. If you get on stage, you get a reward. Regarding politics, just shut the fuck up and get off the stage. None of you have the moral authority, much less the education or the domain expertise to begin using this platform as a means of talking about politics, as we, of course, talk about politics on a tech podcast. But anyways, it was – I loved – I watched it. What was interesting for me about watching the Golden Globes was I started watching a lot of it vis-a-vis Twitter. I didn't have the patience to get through the program, so I was watching a lot of the clips. And I wonder if Twitter is starting to do to TV what Facebook and Google have done to newspapers and print.

But it was—I thought it was wonderful. Yeah, it's a news delivery service. It's such a successful news delivery service, I think. Yeah, it really is. Did you watch the Golden Globes? I didn't. I watched it on Twitter. Yeah, there you is. Did you watch the Golden Globes? I didn't. I watched it on Twitter. Yeah, there you go.

That's exactly right. And what were your favorite moments? I watched the good parts. It was fascinating that so many attacks on tech. I thought that was interesting. It's sort of finally funneling down, you know, and the fact that so many tech companies were up for awards and didn't win them.

Netflix only got two wins out of 34 nominations. Laura Dern for Marriage Story, she was fantastic in it. Laura Dern for Marriage Story. She was fantastic in it. Olivia Colman for The Crown. Irishman didn't win. The Two Popes, unbelievable. All kinds of shows didn't win. Fleabag won.

Best show on television last year. Fleabag. Yes, but it was interesting they didn't win, but they attacked an Apple being a sweatshop. That was good. The Netflix ISIS won. The Facebook, the Sacha Baron Cohen won. Did you hear that?

Did you hear that guy? Oh, my God. He had the best line of the day. Oh, my God. I love it. We still got to roll with Sacha. I got to get him to come to code now. Oh, my gosh.

That guy's a genius. That guy is a genius. And he's doing a lot of good. Here's what I thought. It seemed like given the war stuff that's going on, I was like, oh, God, these people. Like, you know what I mean? Like, hardly pointful. I think it must—I think Ricky Gervais was thinking that.

Like, ugh, this group of people and this time and place is just, like, kind of peripheral, I guess. Peripheral is what I would—I thought was interesting about it. That's what it felt a little bit. But there's actually research. My colleague, a gangster colleague, Professor Adam Alter, has appointments at the psychology and at the business school, has done great research showing that in times of stress, comedy surge in popularity, and in good times, everybody wants to watch, you know, Ingrid Bergman films about everybody dying and sad. And I think, unfortunately, comedies are about to become a lot more popular. And I don't know, I'm curious, I'm actually, for the first

time in a while, physically worried and tense and anxious about what's going on. And I don't know. I'm curious. I'm actually, for the first time in a while, physically worried and tense and anxious about what's going on. And I don't know if it's my age or that I'm actually just more aware and we should be worried. But I remember thinking, I really want to watch the Golden Globes because I need to get my mind off. Anyway, we've got to go to a break. When we get back, we'll be doing wins and fails in a new segment called Mandatory Happiness. and a new segment called Mandatory Happiness. Fox Creative. This is advertiser content from Zelle.

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I mean, you know my win. My win is Sacha Baron Cohen. Let's roll tape. The hero of this next movie is a naive, misguided child who spreads Nazi propaganda and only has imaginary friends. His name is Mark Zuckerberg.

Oh, sorry, sorry. This is an old intro for the social network. Sasha. Who's your win? My win is Richard Plepler, who is going to Apple to work on Apple TV+. I was correct about my prediction. He's doing it through his company himself. He's going to be making things exclusively for them.

Obviously, he left AT&T. After AT&T bought Warner Media, he hated those people, just pretty much hated them. But he's responsible for things like Game of Thrones and Big Little Lies and Soprano, everything. So Richard Pueblo is a terrific maker of TV. So here's hoping that Apple will make better TV by hiring him.

And so I thought that was I think that that's a win for them. Yeah, it is. That guy on top of the assets, the capital that Tim Cook and Apple are willing to throw at this, we're going to have some incredible, we're going to have even more great original scripted television. He's got, everybody loves Richard Poplar, including

me, and I think he's, I think he's just, he has a network, he's got the curiosity. You know, some people are like, oh, he's later in his career, but I've never seen someone more enthusiastic. You know what I mean? He's still, like, engaged and I find him to be highly relevant, and I think the stuff he makes has been,

you know, just, he hasn't really, he didn't get, you know, it's interesting, he and I often talk about be highly relevant. And I think the stuff he makes has been, you know, just he isn't really – he didn't get – you know, it's interesting. He and I often talk about the stuff he missed, Homeland. I think he passed on that. He just is – he's very smart. He's missed a few things, but he then recovers really quickly. Like I think they passed on Billions, which went to Showtime, and then he made Succession, which you could argue is better.

So anyway, I really – I think it's going to, I'm really interested to see what he creates, because I think Apple hasn't really put enough real talent to that, to the money they have yet. So anyway, what's your fail, Scott? Yeah, I don't have a fail. I'm trying to stay optimistic. I'm going to skip fail today because I'm not, okay, I'll do a fail. I think the biggest mistake, and I can't help it. I'm going to talk about the Trump administration. I think the biggest mistake of this administration, you know, the bigotry, the misogyny, the lack of empathy, that's all incredibly distressing. of eroding in what is just a couple years or three years what is probably the most powerful alliance

in the history of modern civilization, and that's the North Atlantic Treaty. Did you notice how none of the Europeans came to our aid? They all basically said, boss, this is your mess. I mean, none of them. We have taken incredible armies, intelligence, people with shared values, and we've just said, we no longer need you.

And we've offended them. And now we are running around the world, again, speaking super loudly with a stick that is splintering and chipping and getting smaller and smaller. And I think that will go down as the biggest failure of this errant three and a half years is taking our friends, people that we stand shoulder to shoulder with, and just saying, you know what? We don't need you. We don't like you. It's a fail of epic proportions. Oh, God.

Can we start drinking? Can we start drinking? This war has really shook you up. Very much shook you up. It's really interesting. Well, unfortunately, I'm thoughtful and I can do math. It literally appears none of these folks have actually written out a scenario plan on a risk-adjusted basis. What are the likely responses here?

It just, I think every professor of strategy in the world or every game theorist is scratching their head. Yeah, there was someone, I tweeted one of the theories, like it was 10 or 12 different things. And it was super helpful, but it was disturbing. Like everyone's super disturbed because it's someone just – the part that's most disturbing is that the people left in the White House are literally the dregs. Like we've got the dregs and inexperienced people there making these decisions. And the idea that Jared Kushner is making decisions on my life and the lives of my kids. You know, my son actually, who's 17, he's turning 18,

was like, do you think I'll be drafted? He said that to me. Like, I was like, I don't know. Like, I hope not. You know what I mean? Like, I was just, it was really, I never thought of that. And it was interesting that he was already there. You know, the idea that we're going to have a war.

I have a draft story. When I was, I think, 16 or 17, we invaded Grenada. My mom freaked out and got me British citizenship. I became a dual citizenship such that I wouldn't have to leave for Canada. I didn't even know what she was talking about. I didn't know what Grenada was. And about the moment we heard from the queen that I was now a dual citizen, Britain declared war on the Falkland Islands,

and I got a notice saying that I needed to register for Her Majesty's Royal Navy. Falkland Islands, that was, what, 15 minutes? Yeah. Jesus. So my mom accidentally almost got me working for the Royal Navy. But anyways. Oh, my God. Scott and the Army would be just—

That just doesn't work, does it? That does not work. It doesn't work in any way. Yeah. You would be in the break. You would be in the break. No, it wouldn't work. All right.

My fail is this story in the—I just had a big argument on CNBC about it. New York wanted Amazon HQ2 so badly that we realized, according to the Wall Street Journal, state officials offered $800 million more in incentives that was previously known, including tax incentives to hire more people of color, promote diversity, and pay their part of employees' salaries. They were going to pay part of employees' salaries in different parts of the state. It wasn't just New York. You know, and at the same time, New York Times had a story this weekend about how many more tech companies are going to the west side of New York, New York City and Manhattan.

So I had an argument with Dave Faber, who thought it was a mistake to not have allowed Amazon to create that campus, and they should have done the incentives. And then everyone on Twitter was attacking me for being a socialist, which I was like, no, I don't want to give rich people money. Anyway, what do you think of this? What do you— Well, Cara, you're not the socialist. You're the only capitalist in the room. And what CNBC and David Faber are is they're the worst type of socialists. They're cronyists. They want national champions and have decided that companies they think are cool should get certain benefits. I've, you know, along with several talented people, created a company in New York that had 140 high-paying jobs. And according to Cuomo and de Blasio, that means I'm entitled to $17 million in subsidies, which I would spend on

a helicopter pad, a Bombardier Challenger 300 with ProLine 21 Rockwell avionics, and a Bell H43 helicopter. That is literally what I could have bought according to de Blasio, David Faber, and Mario Governor Cuomo that what my company was entitled to. But instead we say, okay, the company that is the third most valuable company in the world, we're going to be socialists and we're going to pick winners and losers. So when you walk into a room with David Faber and CNBC, there's a capitalist in the room. That makes them the other guys. They're the worst type of socialists. They're cronyists, national champions, picking winners and losers. Mario Cuomo and Governor Cuomo and

Mayor de Plaza are literally going to go down as the worst poker players in history. And by the way, by the way, all the jobs they promised in exchange for soaking our municipal fire, police and school districts, all those jobs are coming here exchange for soaking our municipal fire, police, and school districts, all those jobs are coming here anyways, because this is where Bezos wants to roll. They have already hired 1,500 incremental people for Amazon, another 500 people for AWS. They are on track to hire more people than they promised should we give them the billions of dollars. This is Governor Cuomo and Mayor de Blasio are terrible capital allocators. They're terrible CEOs of the municipal treasury. You're the capitalist in the room, Cara.

Thank you. Will you go on Twitter and say that? Because I'm being attacked by all the men of Twitter because I'm a lady socialist. I will declare war on them. I will attack their cultural sites. Please, I need you. I need you to be the Mandalorian there. All right. We're going to skip predictions today

and we're going to do Friday predictions. But we have a new section that we're trying out called Mandatory Happiness. This is for you, Scott, because you need a little lift. I see that. All right. Thank you. I hear what's happening here. I want to test out something. We're testing out all kinds of new segments because we have so much.

We have twice a week. We've got out all kinds of new segments because we have so much. We have twice a week. We've got to come up with new gigas for you fans of ours. So it's not related to algebra of happiness, but it kind of is. So the news is stressful. It's so depressing. You're clearly in need of a drink at this time of morning. I want you to take a minute and share one positive thing, and you go first. You want me to go first on this?

Yes. Okay. So I think role models are really important. And one of my role models is actually my book agent, a guy named Jim Levine. He's this tall, handsome guy. I think he's in his 70s, who is just great at what he does, married for 40 years, super into his family, works out every day, just the guy I want to be as I get older. I have a tremendous amount of respect for this guy, and does something he loves and makes a really good living at it. And he started his career as

a child psychologist. And I asked him, I said, I feel like I'm an average to good dad. I aspire to be a good to great dad. And I said, what piece of advice would you have as someone who studied child psychology for the bulk of your career? And he said, there's so much conflicting data out there, but the one kind of absolute for me is always try and find moments of engagement with your children. Find something that you share and then make them wrote and repeat them, whether it's Tuesday pizza night, always reading to them a certain book. I've been telling both my son's Tuesday Pizza Night, always reading to them a certain book. I've been telling both my son's stories about my parents immigrating to America.

And over the week in Montana, my son discovered this wonderful new program called Lost in Space. It's the reboot of the old series. Yes, I watched it when I was a kid. I love the show. Oh, my gosh. Warning, Will Robinson. This is a gift. So just a shout out to Molly Parker as Maureen Robinson, Maxwell Jenkins as Will Robinson,

Mina Sundwall as Penny Robinson, Parker Posey, who's great, and this is Dr. Smith. She plays the crazy Dr. Smith. The crazy gay Dr. Smith. That's right. And Toby Stevens as John Robinson in this incredible reboot. And it just shows you what's happened to television. Netflix. It's Netflix. They spent 80 million bucks on this thing.

The special effects, the thing you're going to love about this show is not only as a way to create moments of engagement with your boys, but the characters in it are really strong female leaders. So they have these, they just did this right. It's great effects, great storytelling. And for someone in my generation, your generation, you just start wanting to like it, and they give you a ton of reasons to like it. So moments of engagement with my sons, that is my mandatory moment of happiness.

Well, that sounds great. I'm going to go with a movie, too. Having gone to several movies this weekend, I went to see Star Wars and I also went to see Bombshell, which I loved, by the way. That was a terrific movie too. You liked that.

I did. It's not doing as well, but it was great. It was a great movie. Is the reboot, the second Top Gun. I'm sorry. I love Top Gun so,

so much. I hate myself for it, but I love it. And they showed a new trailer for it, which I loved. And, you know, a lot of volleyball playing with their shirts off, stuff like that. Even though I'm gay, I love it. And they showed a new trailer for it, which I loved. And, you know, a lot of

volleyball playing with their shirts off, stuff like that. Even though I'm gay, I love it. I love the whole thing. And even though I really can't stand Tom Cruise, I really love Tom Cruise. It's terrible. It's a terrible conundrum for me. He's a movie star. Tom Cruise is a movie star. No doubt about it. Yeah, he is. He's a movie star. And he's like, there's some couple of lines in it that are so hokey and it's so good. And then he comes up. They lift him up onto the deck and they play the music and he's on there. I don't know. I just love it. I'm so happy.

I'm going to be sad. So wait, there's a new remake of Top Gun? Yeah. Not a new remake. A part two. It's 25 years later. Oh, I didn't know that. And he's training the new recruits, including Miles Teller.

Oh, you know what would be more fun is to have drunk, ugly Val Kilmer back. That would make the movie. No, no, no, no. Because he's like, no, he did not age well. Tom Cruise has aged well. He hasn't aged well. He hasn't aged. It makes you want to be a Scientologist.

I don't know what they're doing there, injecting sheep embryo into his neck or something. He looks no different. I will have a better one next week, but movie previews made me happy this week. I owned you on that one. Moments of engagement with the dog and his little dogs. I like my kids, too. But anyway, it's time for us to go. Okay.

This has been both funny and also touching. I'm freaked out, Kara. Hold me. Don't worry. I am freaked out. Did you get my present? You keep talking about that. I hate it when people send me gifts.

It's in Florida. It was delivered. I'm terrible at gifts. I don't open mail. I used UPS or Postal Service. It is at your house in Florida where you told me to send it. I sent you the gift you wanted. Okay.

And you did not get it. The gift I wanted? Lonnie Anderson? Wait, what's the gift I wanted? Lonnie. It's WKRP in Cincinnati. Yes, she was very cute then. It's Lonnie Anderson hand-in-hand with Barbara Eden.

Here for the dogs. Jeannie, get to your bottle. Sorry. Go ahead. Listen to me. Okay. I sent you a present. You need to get it in Florida.

When are you going to Florida next? This will be a win-win because I'll turn them lesbian. You are going to. I would like knowledge of my present that I sent you. Oh, my God. Rebecca is shaking her head. I got no presents from you. That's definitely not going to make the show.

Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. That's on the cutting room floor. Anyway, it's time to go. We're going to be back Friday. We're going to do Predictions. We're going to have all new features. We're going to have a lot of different features.

We're going to do therapy of Scott every week, things like that. We're going to do all kinds of fun things. I need it. You do need it. Meanwhile, if you have any questions about a story you're hearing in the news for us to answer next week or this week, send to pivot at voxmedia.com. Scott, would you like to read the credits today? My credits go to you for owning CNBC, those socialist bitchy cronies. You go on there,

you thwack them up the head. The old white men who watch it are mad at Kara Swisher. Just go on and defend me, please. Now, read the credits, Scott Galloway, General Galloway. Today's show was produced by Rebecca Sinanis and Eric Johnson. Our executive producer is Erica Anderson, who, by the way, I got to spend some wonderful time with Erica and her uber cool girlfriend. That was one of my highlights. That was one of my wins. You were all in, like, rich people land in Montana skiing, right? Well, I was working, right?

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