Pixelated - The Pixel 10 countdown begins

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

Welcome to episode 62 of Pixelated, a podcast by 9to5Google. This week, we're prepping for all things Pixel 10. With Made By Google officially announced for August 20th, we have less than five weeks to go until new Google hardware hits our desk. From phones to wearables, earbuds to foldables, there's a lot to look forward to — and frankly, it might all boil down to some software secrets we don't know much about yet. Subscribe YouTube Podcasts Pocket Casts Spotify Apple Podcasts Overcast Timecodes 00:00 - Made By Google announced 03:58 - Tensor G5 12:33 - Pixel 10 22:39 - Pixel Sense and Google's mobile AI push 28:40 - Pixel Watch 4 35:13 - Pixel Buds 2a 37:34 - Pixel accessories and final thoughts Hosts Abner Li Damien Wilde Will Sattelberg Read more Google announces August 20 event for Pixel 10 and Pixel Watch 4 Report: Google’s switch to TSMC for Pixel 10 chip was a ‘shock’ and wake-up call for Samsung Google reportedly working on ‘Pixelsnap’ Qi2 accessories for Pixel 10 Pixel 10’s first-party cases reportedly have built-in Qi2 magnets, but will the phones? Pixel Watch 4 specs leak reveals new co-processor, battery life boost ‘Google Pixel Buds 2a’ and ‘Wireless Charger’ might launch with Pixel 10 Pixel 10 Pro Fold reportedly gets battery and charging upgrades, slightly larger display Listen to more 9to5 Podcasts 9to5Mac Happy Hour Electrek The Buzz Podcast Space Explored Rapid Unscheduled Discussions Feedback? Drop us a line at [e-mail], leave a comment on the post, or reach out to our producer.

So we've had official confirmation, official official confirmation of made by Google, 20th of August. I don't know. I don't know if I'm excited. I don't know how I feel actually. How do you guys feel right now? It's, I don't know, the mood is. There's a finally, obviously, we know the date. officially, I just saying. August 20th, it's a week later than last year, but it's, of course, much earlier than previous years,

where it was October, like the earliest was like early, like late September. So back to that. It's given now since how the Android release schedule is going earlier, so set in stone. But I don't know,

it's a big finely, the hint, it's the, The invite itself was a bit on the vague side, just made by Google, with Google's saying, you'll get the latest on our phones, watches, and buds, obligatory AI mentioned. But yeah, it's, it's, it's official. Yeah, I don't know. I'm, I'm, it's a weird thing to get excited about because, you know, usually this kind of feels like the, the, the, the, the, the,

you know, final hill to cross over before we really start seeing both real leaks and then actual teasers as to what's to come. I do kind of feel like with this launch, it's like, because all of the leaks so far have shown like, oh, we're, you know, we're looking at fairly similar devices as compared to last year. It's a little more difficult to feel like, like, if you've used a pixel nine at all, it's a little more challenging to feel like, yeah, I'm so hyped for this device that is very similar to the one I'm either currently using or have used or which which I think does point to probably like a AI-centric and software-centric remorse and those are the things that tend to not leak as much you know like we do we get some

you know inklings here and there but like if you think back to a year ago we did not know everything Google was going to announce for the pixel nine series in terms of software like I don't remember leaks about like ad me for example maybe there were but I you know I don't they didn't sit my brain in the same way that like a hardware leak does and so like maybe that actually maybe I'm talking myself into thinking this is going to be a more exciting launch than I expect because it's like I I know the hardware is going to be similar so what else do they have to show off that you know other than the fact that you have to do an announcement or whatever an event what is the purpose for this event.

And so, yeah, I don't know. Like, I'm looking for it. I think I've talked myself in the last 90 seconds into being excited. I was thinking the same. I was like, is this how iPhone people feel when the iOS and I, what do they call their event? I don't even know, whatever Apple calls are launch events. It feels like we're in the same frame of mind.

Like, it's going to be the same device. Like, we know most of it is going to be pretty much the same. Yeah. We're going to get all of the same sort of things. and then I guess I mean, I'm definitely biased. I think Google will have more

to show off in terms of the software than Apple can potentially do and we've seen that over the past couple of years. It's a strange one, right? Because we have, and I'm just looking at it now, we have potentially what,

Pixel 10, Pixel 10 Pro, pixel 10 Pro Excel, pixel 10 Pro fold, and then a mention of earbuds, like, and watch, so there's what, six devices there?

I've done my mask for, I don't even know if we've done it correctly. If there's six devices, there's six devices. I think the biggest thing, though, that people want to know about, I think the enthusiasts lineup of people will say 10 to G5. Like, the hardware doesn't matter now. We just want a really good chipset. And if that's not going to be the huge upgrade,

then maybe we're even more looking at it and trying to find ways to be intrigued by the hardware. It's got to be software, right? It has to be. And it's interesting because, you know, Google has never been one to get up stage and promote their their the specs of the pixel series and I expect that to be even more true this year like they can't get up on stage and be like introducing tensor g5 it's this is the one year they could but like are they going to want to like acknowledge that the the fanfare or the fan

reaction around tensor has been fairly lackluster since 2021 they'll never acknowledge it but it's if they want to talk, well, okay, there is some precedent for them going all on chips, and that's on the Google Cloud side, on the server side. True. Yeah. TPUs. So there is some precedent for that, for Google to go in on specs and feeds. So I think they should.

Like, I feel like the first four years they haven't had any reason to, but I feel like at now, now that's everything's in-house, that presumably everything, all the development, they have all their ducks in the row. I feel like this is the year they should start. Because their audience, like specifically, they obviously have an enthusiast audience and that obviously plays well to that crowd.

So I think they should embrace it in terms of if we're having a wish of what we want Google to do. Are we expecting TensorFlow G5 to be, a snapdragon 8 elite class chip or are we just expecting it to be you know developed in-house made by TSM but

not necessarily a massive leap in raw performance over its predecessors which is what I reading the T-leaves is how I felt about TensorFlow G5 is that like I think you know TSM has proven itself to be to be able

to make a much more efficient chip set than Samsung efficiency but I still think Google's going to want to focus on on AI and just like all around generally as opposed to game right the chip that allows to do yeah again I'm I'm a bit on device AI I don't think it's there yet in terms of I don't think compared to what's happening in the cloud I don't think the impact how the power is there yet on on device I think Google, of all the companies, it's up to Google right now to show what he can do on device, which we'll talk about in a bit with PixelSense and whatnot. But it's, I think they have to start somewhere is where I, but basically my point.

And pixel screenshots last year was a start. It hasn't taken the world by storm, I don't think. I won't have a bad word set against pixel screenshots. Yeah. It is fantastic. It's a great application. But it's just like, I could, I would be perfectly fine with it without the AI features. Yeah, no, yeah, I get what you're saying.

I get what you're saying. I think you kind of still, the question I was going to ask you, both of you more broadly will, is that if they reach a level of performance where it's like, what would be the best way to describe it, performant enough that it can potentially be in the mix with maybe last year's top tier phones, which I think is absolutely fine. Like that would be the, that would be the dream, I think, if TensorFlow is at, say, Snapchat 8 Gen 3 level.

Yeah. And again, we'll complain about Qualcomm's naming convention as well. It's G4 and G5, it makes sense. Do you think if they do that and they get that, Google is going to then almost, I don't want to say, be a bit disrespectful to what their partnership with Samsung and Samsung Foundry with the previous censors, Are they going to go all in and say, hey, TSMC have taken control of this, the kind of situation?

They don't mention the list of TSMC. They just completely silenced it. I don't think they do. I think it's too... I think the key is talking about efficiency, like showing how much more efficient, more battery life, etc., etc. And the AI stuff. I think you read between the lines, right? Yeah.

I don't know. Does that then throw a shade at Samsung inadvert? Like, I think whatever they do, it's not going to look good, right? I know that the conversation is going to be bad. Yeah, that was my broader point, I think, which is that like, I don't think there's any way to not throw a little bit of shade at Samsung. But if you are going to talk about TensorFlow G5 in any detail,

if all of, if many of the improvements are coming from either moving chipset development in-house or the switch to TSMC, both of those point a finger at Samsung that I think is, even if it's unspoken, will be there. you know. And then that change, I think, again, that changes a dynamic because obviously Samsung are almost in bed with Google on so many things. And last year at the pixel, this is why I'm, the reason why I kind of asked is,

last year at the made by Google, which is always a strangest time to see other devices, they had a S-24 on stage and we're demoing some, do you think they might do that again this year? But then is that an olive branch to Samsung or is that just Google saying, hey, it's ubiquitous. We can use Gemini anyway. It doesn't matter what it is. Because you need to start. It's the obligatory Android mention.

Yeah. Again, it's the same organization now. So they have to start with Android. They have to give everybody in the ecosystem something. So that's why it is that. I do wonder if the other thing is that, you know, we've seen reports that Samsung was kind of shaken by the fact that Google switched away from Samsung foundries to TSM foundries.

which I wonder if that gives Google kind of permission to, you know, because of how poorly we've heard about Sam, like, about Samsung Foundry's performing, like that their, you know, uh, uh, yield results are like 50% in some cases, right? Like one in two chipsets are not up to snuff. That's a problem. And I do wonder if there is a certain level of like, look, guys, we stuck it out. we have to go somewhere else for this. This is not like a personal thing.

Like it's a get your get your ducks in a row type thing for Samsung. And I do wonder if maybe like like higher level Samsung brass above their foundry business are like do to a certain extent are probably more frustrated with their foundry business than Google being like we got to go somewhere else. I'm sorry. No, I agree. I think that probably is a probably is a really good point. obviously, but that that's my read on how that reporting was coming out. Yeah. So I guess, I guess the, well, you can't answer my question.

I thought that. I just wanted to ask it more broadly because you kind of mull over these things. It seems like that end of the X-Inus-Tensor era, as it were. And then we have this potentially new start point for, for Tensor again, which I think is a good thing. I think sometimes with Pixel in general, I feel like there's been a lot of false starts, false dawns, and this last year has been almost like consolidation of like, we have a product now that we can potentially push out there to the rest of the world and people will take it and they enjoy it. I do wonder if that, obviously, the lack of design changes, I'm really

interested to see what the fallout from that is. I don't personally have a problem with it because we've seen so much, like, I mean, go look at the pixel six through to the pixel nine. Like, yes, the part of the same family, but they are very, very different devices by now, right? The software is melding everything together. I do wonder what we're going to see in terms of like audience response. I know there's a lot of people who are potential looking to upgrade. I don't know. I don't know if anyone's going to be upgrading for the pixel nine.

I think that might be quite silly in terms of financials. But what do you think in terms of like the upgrade path for people? There are, of course, people that buy new phones every single year. And I think Google's biggest pitch to them is improved build quality. that the button that just better tolerances, better all that all round. But again,

we'll talk about this next, but it has to be software. That has to be the pitch. But otherwise, the hardware looking the same is they didn't learn their rest in colors. The 9 pro looks to have stayed colors. The 9 looks to have better,

sorry, the 10, the base phone looks to have better colors. They didn't learn the rest in the, which is unfortunate. I guess the pixel snap magnetic cheat charging accessories, if presumably that only works for the 10, I think that could be a big draw to people to a real upgrade cycle for the accessories that they have

in the car at home, at the desk, et cetera. I didn't even think about pixel snap. I just want to read the room real quick and then I'll make my last point about Twitter and we move on. But do you guys think it's built into the phone or do you guys think that like every pixel snap slash G2 accessory requires a case?

What do we think? I hope it isn't the case again. I hope it isn't the case again. I think obviously you can get third party ones that do it with the existing lineups. I just think it would be a really big missed opportunity if they didn't put it in the phone. I agree.

If you're going to give it a brand, you got to ship it. You got to make it so that when, I take that thing out of the box, I have access to the pixel snap ecosystem without having to buy a case. Most people have cases. I know. I know that. It's tricky.

It's tricky. And when I talked to OnePlus in December about the one plus 13 ahead of its launch, I asked them, you know, why is Cheeto? You have this whole like, you have like this big wireless charger brick that, you know, fast charges it. but you need to buy their case or, or a, you know, a MagSafe case or whatever. But like, realistically, the one plus magnet case to use it, it's like, why didn't you just put it in the phone? And they're like, well, most people just put a case on their phone

so we didn't see a reason to take up internal space. And it's like, okay, but like, if you want this idea of Chitu to catch on, I still feel like it needs to be in a part of the phone that is like built in at the core. And also when you buy a case, it probably also has the magnetic support. But I feel like it doesn't feel like it's a real feature if it's not there without an additional accessory. I don't know.

And I also say this is someone who primarily doesn't use a case on their phones anymore. So maybe that's where I'm coming from on this. You're spoiled. You just want you cake and eat here. I have learned my lesson on this multiple times. I, within like a week of getting my One Plus open, drop that thing right on to cement. And I will be, it didn't crack or anything, but that corner had a chip in it for the rest of the time I used that phone. Yeah.

But yeah, I have agree with you on the idea that if they come up with this branding and then make it as an optional case specific functionality, which is, which is I'm even, I feel like I'm spinning it just by saying that out loud. Google can have that one for free. Basically, I think you almost diminish the point of it because of the third-party manufacturers are already making these magnetic options to add MagSafe to Android devices. Exactly. I get the impression that as soon as Samsung do it,

which they will. Samsung will definitely do it. I'm surprised they didn't do it with the S-25 this year. As soon as they do it, everyone else will follow suit, I think on Android. I do find it weird that no one has done it to this point in time. Not even just like false, just magnets, but I guess that could do.

Just that one, oh my God, what's the company that makes Nokia phones? It's that one HMD phone that has, I was like, I wanted to say HDC and I was like, nope, it's a different three-letter acronym. Yeah. The only, the last thing I wanted to say about TensorFlow and Damia, this is to your point about about upgrades. I do think there is, because we have heard TensorFlow G5 rumors date back to probably pre-tensor. TensorFlow G3, I want to say. Like I feel like we were still in the waiting days of the pixel 7, waiting for the pixel 8 when we started to hear reports about what Google was planning for the pixel tense chip set.

I do feel like there's maybe a core group of like enthusiast users that have like kind of built up a level of expectation that cannot be met. Like I do think that there is unless if Google gets on stage and announces anything short of a chip, set that is essentially the Snapdragon 8 Elite but made by Google. I don't think they're going to be happy. And I don't think that's what we're going to get. And so I do worry a little bit

that like there is going to be this sense of disappointment brought on on August 20th when you know, TensorFlow G5 is like a good evolution for TensorFlow but not a complete reinvention of that series of processors.

Yeah, I think people want a quantum computer in their phones. Yeah. just for the sake of it. But I get, I mean, the upside is that, well, I say the upside. I think the negative is that people see TSM and expect, oh, it's going to be, their TSMC is a foundry behind this chip. It's going to have comparable performance to the most top tier chips.

I think as long as, as long as are hitting baselines and it's a step above what we get, all they need to do is just keep making forward steps. And I think eventually there will make a quantum leap. There will be at some point. I'm sure they will. How long people can hold out waiting to buy their next. device with this big performance leap, I don't know. I must admit, this is the first year in a while,

I genuinely think there is a very, very big difference between performance on the Pixel 9 and other top tier devices. I think you can see it now. I think a lot of that is to do with the storage personally. But yeah, that's all unquantifiable. But people will be happy about it. I'm sure the general public who are looking at a device

and don't want an iPhone and want something that's slightly different, I think the biggest draw, like we're going to allude to now, is software. And if Material 3 Expressive is pushed the way that it should be pushed as this big evolution, much like the phones are not necessarily major evolutions, I think that can be enough of a visual draw. I think when Material U was first announced, the consensus online was this is genuinely quite a gorgeous-looking OS. Material 3 Expressive looks, it looks and feels fantastic already on a slightly less performant, Pixel 9, like I say, if they make a small leap and there's improvements to the pixel 10, I think we have the best foundation possible. And I'm excited to see what they do on stage.

If I know you've talked about PixelSense, is PixelSense one of those things that's going to be completely game-changing for the way we use our phones, do you think? Or is it just going to be one of those side notes? A little bit like the way you've offhand talked about pixel screenshots, Abner. I'm in that Bodon screenshots as well, by the way. I'm sorry, Davian. No, can we cancel this podcast, please? So I think that's the biggest game-changing thing that Google has, and they've shown off already, is at I.O. And they had Astra controlling your Android phone,

making calls for your opening apps, getting you to YouTube videos, all that. I don't think that's ready yet. It's, yeah, I just, I don't think that's ready yet. I would be amazed. I wanted to be ready by this August, but I think that's sometime early next year is when I feel like that's ready. Like when Camush sharing launched earlier this year in March-ish. It's also,

that's got to be an opt-in type thing, like a limited beta. Like they're going to slow roll how they push that out to people. And I wonder if they don't, you know, that doesn't need to be a part of the Pixel 10 launch event because it's not really a pixel 10 experience at launch. So why market it when people, when we have eyes on us?

You know what I mean? Huh, that's a good point. So, like, they can show it off at the developer conference because I think there's a lot more forgiveness for like, this is a work in progress. We're a year or two away from this. But at the, you know, I've noticed this that when Google does their pixel launches, they're, you know, with a couple exceptions, right?

Like we saw video boost on the on the pixel 8, right? Just not as well. Sorry, no, that's actually, that's what I was thinking. It was Zoom enhanced. Zoom enhanced on the pixel 8.

Oh, sorry, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, sorry, my bad, my bad. Zoom enhanced on the pixel 8 just never arrived, right? That was, oh, oops, it's a pixel 9 thing. But largely speaking, they tried to. What's that? It came, it's on the 8 pro. Is it on the 8 pro?

Maybe. Yeah, only on the pro. Only on the pro. Only on the pro. Okay, but it was, but it was a full year later that I think they had, anticipated. And I do feel like that's how Google approaches these, is that the pixel, you know, made by Google is a much more consumer focus. Here's what you can get, you know, today or roughly today when you pre-ordered a device as opposed to the dev-focused I.O. where it's like, here is

our vision for the future. So I totally see, I could totally see Astra, maybe getting a mention, right? Maybe getting a like, eventually we're doing this, but largely speaking, probably being absent. And then I agree with you, Abner. I think a slow beta rollout next year makes sense. Yeah. In the near term, there's something called pixel sense. Magic cues have leaked. Where Century, if you're doing something on your phone, like somebody asks you, what's your flight number? Your phone will be Gemini, presumably Gemini, will be aware that that that question is being asked and that it can look in your email, in your Gmail, for the flight number and offer it as a suggestion, presumably in the Gboard's suggestions low.

That is, if done well, that would be highly convenient. And I could see it giving pixel a genuine differentiator. But it, again, it could be pixel screenshots or it could be the next big thing. and that comes down to just how well, how seamless it is, how fast it is, and this is on-device AI. And how does that feel like in your life? I don't see myself rejecting the suggestion if it's right. So that could be a new way. Well, yeah, I, well, the closest approximation had to that was a few hours.

ago, I bought something on eBay and I didn't realize it hadn't arrived because I wasn't like, oh, constantly checking where it was. And so I wanted, I had to go through search through Gmail to see when I'd ordered it because you know what it's like sometimes you, I mean, we're very spoilt in that we have multiple devices. I wasn't logged into eBay on my device and it didn't have, it only had my work email account on it. So it would mean logging in, getting my Titan key, doing all that. I was like, no, I'm not going to do that. I'm just going to search your Gmail on my PC, I went to Gmail and searched for the eBay purchase and I buy a lot of things on eBay by the looks of it. So trying to find that exact purchase to work out which one hadn't arrived was a

really frustrating ordeal. If I could have asked, okay, when did this, when did I purchase this thing, it would have just taken me straight to it and then I can put a complaint into the guy on the PC straight into eBay and be like, hey, why hasn't this arrived? It could be useful. I know that's a really I guess it's a little bit of an edge case, but little things like that I think would make a difference. The little things, like the big thing with AI is there's no one big, there's no one big example that there's that shared among people. It's a collection of edge cases. It's a, yeah, a collection of edge cases, a thousand little more of things that people want help in their life. And it's like I've said before, it's the hardest thing to advertise because you can't make ads.

You can't talk about all those examples that could be used on your life. You just need to, as a user, you just need to embrace it and see how it goes for a few weeks and see if it fits into your lifestyle. I'm going to play devil's advocate here because if A.I. If Geminii is so good, couldn't they technically advertise specifically to everyone based upon their specific needs? And they could use VEO to do it. I'm pretty sure. But I mean, yeah, I mean, the computing power to do that will probably blow up the planet. But I do genuinely. You sound like, you sound like me every time I, open Google photos and it's a, I've taken a photo that was, that has not been rotated correctly.

Like, let's say, like, like, I snapped a photo in my pixel, but it didn't, it didn't detect the correct orientation of the device. And I'm like, you know, if AI was so good, it should just, I should not have to mess with this. It should just auto, it should just know that this is, this, the, the text of this image is rotated 90 degrees and fix it. That's, that it's been my complaint of like, like, come on, man, AI so good. Why can't it do this?

Why isn't it doing this for me already? definitely for those little tasks. I think that's, yeah, I think that's probably how they can effectively, it is marketing, right? The launch event is marketing. If they do that at the event and say, hey, here's what you can potentially do with this pixel sense functionality. And I do, to be quite honest with you,

I do think Google's quite good at giving you examples. Like, I don't know if you, I don't know if it's in the US, but they have a Gemini ad here in the UK where somebody's cooking and they ask that they don't have a specific ingredient. And Gemini says, try this one instead. Don't get me wrong. I'm still not so sure Gemini's giving him the correct information. Because I haven't checked it.

And this is a problem with AI. You have to fact check everything. I think if you had a, you have a fairly good idea about cooking and you would know that that ingredient would work. You're like, hey, that's a good example. Like, those are the good things I think Google is good at doing, sorry, and they're marketing for Gemini. Whether or not people kind of react to it and take it on board is another thing entirely.

I do think whatever they do, whatever they do, the software. I think at the end of the day is selling hardware and people just want to see something shining, something new. Is it better than what I had before? And I do wonder how they're going to also sell it via backporting. Does that make sense? So, like, who's going to get this functionality with Gemini? Is pixel sensor going to be exclusive to 10? But then there's going to be some things that eventually drip around the ladder. And they can't alienate those Gemini, potentially customers, because some people are paying $20 a month, right? So they've got this huge balancing act, I think.

Someone out there is paying $200 a month. It's not me. The misinformation scammers. But yeah, I don't know. How do you think they're going to do this? Because the keynotes, are they given timeings for the keynotes yet? So I haven't seen the invite personally. So I don't quantify it.

Probably an hour. Okay, well, it's not necessarily a long time, is it? So it's going to be, what, 15 minutes of crib notes on what essentially Gemini is going to boil down to wider and then that specific pixel 10 focus, I think they're going to have to be really, really laser focused once the devices are out there in the wild and people can go out and pre-order and buy them because otherwise it's going to get lost in a deluge. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

What do we think? What do we think in other terms of hardware, though? Because obviously we talked a lot of pixel 10, pixel sends, how are they going to contribute towards how Pixel 4, sorry, is going to differentiate yourself on Pixel 6? because Pixel watch three, I can't even get the names right. The hardware, we haven't seen anything in the hardware. We know potentially it's going to have the same chip set inside. If anything, that's an even lesser upgrade than the pixel 10.

We've been using Gemini. Have we all gotten Gemini on our watches yet? Not yet. No. I have not gotten it. No, not yet. No. I got it the other day. And the fact that it can integrate the apps is like the biggest, it feels so much

closer to what's on your phone than ever before. And I know, Damien, you're excited by it when you had some, when you used in the galaxy watch. It is on this. I mean, I see why Samsung wanted it as the large feature on their, on their watches, but it'll have been a great one for Google. So now with that out of the way, I'm wondering what software on the Pixel watch looks like.

I don't know, fine, fine hub. app was kind of spotted last year. Maybe that happens this year. It's, the watch is even more so than the phones are. It's harder to ping down what the features are. Like last year, there was a big health focus with a pulse detection thing.

The running thing was last year too, right, on the pixel watch. Yeah, it was. It's, that's, if AI is like a, all the, a niche thing to talk. as a serving point.

I think health is slightly, like exercise might be a bit more limited there. And in terms of other health features, I don't, nothing obvious comes to mind. Do you think they might just look at it and say, let's just consolidate what our health features are and we will try and increase accuracy

and that kind of thing. Like a coaching thing that the Apple Watch got this year. that could be interesting but it's I don't know like in terms of apps what more battery life improvements there's a bump but it's not really two days yet

well well surely it's not two days yet I can get the two days pretty easily you know it's a harder thing like this like we're talking about the pixel phones looking the same between last year and this year and the pixel watchers work the same

in the beginning My interpretation of it is that I think with auxiliary accessories like a watch and it's something that's paired to your phone anyway, I think you can get, and it's not giving Google a free pass on any company a free pass. I think you can kind of take less risks. Like the bases are covered. You need potentially two to three day battery life if that's feasible. Does it bridge your notifications?

Does it have a few applications, maybe a media player of some kind? You can reply to messages. I think they've probably got the first. fundamentals down fairly quickly with the pixel watch, right, when they reintroduced their own hardware. Like, there are not many companies that have done that straight away. Like, even Samsung had a lot of problems with their Galaxy Watch lineup when they had Tysen and then they had that kind of rocky road back to, to WhereOS. I think as long as they consolidate and continue to do what they've done with previous versions, all three of them, I think people would be pretty

happy. I think... And material to expressive. That's not forget that. Yeah, yeah. That's going to be a huge thing, right? So if it's pretty good. It looks pretty good. if it launches with that, you can't get that available on the Pixel Watch 3 right now as far of any beta phase, right? So I think that could be a little bit of a selling point. I think, like you say, the fitness element is going to be huge because while I think that the Fitbit application is fine, maybe they have a section and dedicate more to what they're going to do with Fitbit app and improve it. Well, I mean, same thing, but coaching, like helping you in all aspects of your life. That's a harder thing

to. That would be a useful application. That would be a very useful application of AI. Yeah, I think, yeah, the watch is kind of a foregone conclusion. I think people just want the new one. Like, they may have some new colors, I guess, and maybe the screen will increase in size again. But yeah, it is what it is, right? It's a very Apple approach to wearables, right? Because like the Apple watch, you know, unless you really want to count the ultra design.

But like, you could look at Series 10. Yeah, it's Series 10. the first Apple watch from 2015 looked virtually identical. And every time there's been a rumored redesign, it's an Apple event has come and gone without it. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that necessarily. I know Samsung has obviously, you know, wanted to shake up its design every couple of years or whatever.

But I don't think there's anything wrong with approaching these watches as we don't expect to anybody to buy these every year. Yeah, no, more watches more than phones. It's I think it's people, it's two years, even more. It's the upgrade cycle is just different. And it's kind of interesting how that happened, actually, even though, like, again, watch is even cheaper than the phone. Yeah, that's a good point.

You have to spend a lot more money to get to upgrade your phone than the watch. And yet, I am much more reluctant to upgrade my wearables that I am my smartphone. Yeah. Yeah, I was about to say a lot of people tend to do like three and four year cycles by the looks of it. Like, I know a lot of people, you can see a lot of people running around. with Apple Watch Series 7 on all. Exactly. I doubt that I hope there's not very many people out there

still using the Pixel Watch 1 in some respects because the battery was terrible. But apart from that, it's an absolutely fine piece of kit. I think, yeah, I have mixed emotions towards the Pixel Watch because I like the design and I think that... Bezzles could be better.

Yeah, maybe the bezel could be a little bit better. But overall, I do think there are some, there are three real wear OS options. You want the, the classy pixel watch, you want the rugged galaxy watch, and then right in the middle I think sits in between them is a One Plus Watch 3, which I think is fantastic. I think One Plus, I mean, I could have a full episode glazing One Plus this year

because it's almost like they've done something. I don't know what they've been doing, Opo, One Plus, whatever. But they've knocked out the park this year, and I think they deserve some credit for that. So yeah, that's my rant over. But in terms of other hardware, we talk about watches, that goes hand in hand with earbuds. We're probably not going to get PixelBuds Pro 3 for a while or any over ears.

Audio is a strange one because, hey, how often do you upgrade your earbuds? Probably not very often. Do you think there's going to be an option for people to potentially upgrade there this time around Abner, based on previous leaks? It's how it looks like we're getting a new color, which is what happened. Like, buds are clearly on a two-year cycle. It looks like we're getting a new color for the PixelBuds Pro 2, like what happened with the original or PixelBuds Pro at this stage in the life cycle. I think the focus is on the 2A cheaper buds,

which, looking at AirPods, looking at the competition, they really do need something more competitive than the PixelBuds A series. So, yeah, buds, and I hope there's a lot of Gemini stuff coming with them. Yeah. Do you think that, I mean, I'm going to give my opinion now, actually.

I think that they, with the way that they handled the Gemini Live rollout for the original pixel buds pro two not necessarily the way probably could have gone could have been a little bit more seamless it may be a little bit underbaked i'm hoping that they kind of addressed that this time around maybe with the pixel buds 2a but i don't know that is this is it gonna is it are they gonna try and shoot surely they're going to try and shoe home jemini in there somewhere in some format and it's i feel like what it's could be this year's pre-order gift if they even yeah yeah it's pretty cheap it's pretty the walk

like the pixel buds, Po, too, might as well be it. Yeah. Okay, I've got one more final thing about the hardware at this event. What are you, both of you, I want to ask, what's the one product in the entire lineup that you think I will be pre-order in day one? Because I kind of have one in my mind already. I don't know.

Abner, do you want to take this first? I don't know. I'm drawing the bags. I'm going to pre-order the... I think the base with that 3x telephone could be huge. I was going to pre-order anything, yeah, it probably would be the base model because I don't. The Excel, I think I've decided, is too big.

And I kind of, yeah, I don't know. I guess, I guess. I see on a new pixel stand here. I think I'm on the accessories front this year with whatever phone. That makes sense. The pixel stand, the pixel stand, too is chunky. is too big for what it offers, which is not much.

I've stopped using mine entirely. I must have made. It's like a backup wireless charger, which is a little bit sad because it's in the corner of my room just left to its own devices. It doesn't look nice, so either. Yeah, I mean, it is what it is.

They haven't added any functionality, so maybe we'll get that in the future. But one thing I wanted to kind of discuss, that's basically we'll have, what, what have we got like six weeks? Not even six weeks. Five, less than five weeks. Less than five weeks.

Less than five. five weeks until we tell all and see what we've seen and speak about what we potentially are going to be playing with for the next 12 months or so. One thing I wanted to discuss quickly before we left, though, was the stealth drop, as it were, of Android Canary. How do you think that's going to factor into this? I think Google's even going to mention this at May by Google, because this is a huge deal, right?

I think it is. Like, do we learn anything about Cadence that are they going to reveal anymore? Is this going to be, hey, we have this Canary Channel? I'm with Abner. I don't think so. I think this is another this is another thing of like the divide between I.O.

and made by Google. Like this is for, hey, consumers, here's what you can buy this holiday season when you upgrade your phone. I.O. is more of the like,

hey developers and enthusiasts, here's what we have, you know, cooking and here's what you can play with. Yeah. I think they, you know, unless,

there is a feature that is locked to Android Canary, like something like Astra, like, oh, you can try out Astra if you're on the Canary builds or something. Like, I don't think it gets a mention. Yeah, that's why I alluded to it. I think that might be the way that they potentially, if they can manage it. Yeah, yeah, I could see that. Yeah. But I mean, I don't know, but we're probably going to have some twists and turns until launch.

I don't think there's much really that we can discuss apart from. I think we've covered leaks pretty extensively. Like, it's, it is a little bit of a buy the numbers affair, which is not something that we ordinarily say about. We haven't mentioned the fold at all. Like, we fully just avoided talking about it. Because like, we can mention that it sounds like it might be, you know, the first dust proof foldable, which is, which is cool from an evolutionary, you know, perspective. But I, it's not getting my, it's not revving my engines. Like, I'm not like, I need to run out.

to upgrade. Yeah. Yeah. I'm upgrading from the original pixel fold this year to that. That's a good upgrade. 10-pro fold. Yeah. It is.

It is. I've been tempted by the 9 pro fold all this year. Yeah. But yeah, the 10-pro fold, it's, well, it's, I think the holding it in hand versus the Samsung might make it and might really solidify people's opinions. Yeah. I agree. I think that's one great big roadblock in the way of the Pixel 10 profile,

a substantially upgraded Galaxy 7-4. But yeah, we will have lots and lots of coverage pre-post during anything you need to know about Pixel 10. We'll be in New York. It's going to be, it's a long march. What's that? The rest in five weeks. This time in five weeks, we know everything. Yeah.

Yeah, if we already don't, leaks ahead of time. Yeah, exactly. When the inevitable, like, August 17th full product spread leaks where it's like a PDF with like 10 pages. Every year. Yeah. Every year. 100% we, I wish it didn't happen one year, but it kind of, I think we're at the point where it is what it is now. It's tradition now.

It is a tradition. It is a tradition. It is a tradition. Just want to say, thanks guys for joining me, as always. I mean, it may not sound like I'm excited, but I like talking about this stuff. So thanks for even humoring me for the sake of 40, 45 minutes. So hopefully we're going to get more time to talk about this. And I know that you guys in the US are going to be fairly well positioned to go to this event,

which I'm very jealous of. So, yeah, we will inform you as we, as we always do in every version, every episode of pixelated. But yeah, thanks for joining me. Everybody have a safe and happy prosperous weekend and we'll speak to you soon. Bye. Bye.