Planet Money - Can the Trump administration make college cheaper?

Episode Date: July 1, 2026

Will limiting how much students can borrow force schools to lower their prices? The Department of Education thinks so. It has a new plan to bring down tuition costs. Starting today, July 1st, it’s ...going to cap how much it’s willing to loan to graduate students. You read that right. To reduce the burden of school…the plan is to give students less money to pay for school. This plan is, in part, based on an idea that’s been floating around higher education circles for decades: The Bennett Hypothesis, which claims there’s a direct relationship between student borrowing and tuition prices. And therefore, if the Department of Education — the biggest student loan provider in the country — limits how much students can take out, then schools will have no choice but to charge students less. This hypothesis was floated roughly 40 years ago...without evidence. But now, as the Trump administration rolls out their Bennettian plan, we have decades of data to see how true this hypothesis is.Today on the show: NPR Education Correspondent Cory Turner explains this theory, and what the new plan influenced by it will mean for borrowers this fall.Other notes:Bill Bennett: “Our Greedy Colleges”Cory Turner: "July 1 brings big student loan changes. Here's what you need to know"The Indicator: "What you should know about your student loans" Support:Planet Money+Read: Our book: Planet Money: A Guide to the Economic Forces That Shape Your Life Our weekly longform Planet Money newsletterOur weekly Indicator round-up newsletterFollow: InstagramTikTokYouTubeFacebookThis episode was hosted by Cory Turner and Kenny Malone. It was produced by Willa Rubin and edited by Marianne McCune. It was fact-checked by Charlotte Isidore and engineered by Robert Rodriguez. Alex Goldmark is our executive producer.Music: NPR Source Audio - “Morning Chorus,” “Belle Mar,” and “The Sky Was Orange.” See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences.NPR Privacy Policy

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is Planet Money from NPR. The Trump administration is taking a new approach to a very sticky problem in the United States, that of student loan debt. All nearly $1.7 trillion of it. The Department of Education has a plan to bring down tuition costs beginning today, July 1st. What is that plan? Well, Education Secretary Linda McMahon recently described it to lawmakers at a committee hearing on Capitol Hill. want to bring down the cost of education. Yeah, so far, so good, following that. Then she describes
Starting point is 00:00:38 this big change to the federal program that loans students' money for school. We've put in caps on programs for graduate students and undergraduate students to make sure that we can help reduce the cost and the burden of college. Actually, hold there for a second, because that is the confusing bit for me. I believe she said to, quote, help reduce the burden, of college, the plan is to give less money to student borrowers. And that's where I was really intrigued by their logic. This is Corey Turner, covers education for NPR. Every time I run into Corey at the like NPR coffee machine,
Starting point is 00:01:21 he will tell me something about some new thing happening in education. And then months later, the thing has exploded into a front page story. And that is why I listened to Corey recently when he, told me to go check out Secretary McMahon's tuition fighting plan. So that plan, basically, is starting July 1st, if you want to get a graduate degree in most fields, the Department of Education, the biggest lender for student loans, is saying that they're only going to give you about $21,000 a year. That is the cap. If your tuition costs more than that, well, sorry, the Ed Department is not lending extra to cover it. The administration's logic is based on this
Starting point is 00:02:02 sort of old idea, and that is that if there's a lot of federal student aid floating around in the higher education marketplace, colleges have no incentive to lower their prices. And so if they cap federal student loans specifically for graduate students, then the hope is colleges and universities all over the country will have no choice but to then lower their prices. I have many follow-up questions. Yeah, so it sounds logical. The question is, is it actually true?
Starting point is 00:02:45 Hello and welcome to Planet Money. I'm Kenny Malone. And I'm Corey Turner. And Corey, I believe you have now called basically anyone who has had a hand in trying to study whether or not this proposal stands a chance to work. That's right. Today on the show, Corey tells us what he's found and tells us the roots of this less money, less tuition problems?
Starting point is 00:03:04 Is that what they're calling it? Lower loans, lower prices? I don't know. It might need workshops. Whatever the name of this is, the roots of this particular solution. So we're going to bring college prices down. That's what we're about to do today? Yeah, I'm excited.
Starting point is 00:03:26 College prices, look out. You're going down. Today we have invited NPR's Corey Turner over to our Planet Money House because big things that may affect you, that may affect your kids, your higher-ed dreams, They are happening. There's a consensus that there's a problem with the size of federal student loan debt in America. The question is, how do we fix the problem moving forward?
Starting point is 00:03:50 Give less money out. Give less money out. That is their proposal. And so I – May I ask before we address that, is the problem that the money is being given out or that the money is needed, that college is so expensive? Why would you ask such a Gordian knot of a question, I see. Okay. For the rest of the episode, we will try to untie that knot to understand what problem the Trump Department of Education is trying to fix specifically,
Starting point is 00:04:21 why they think less money is the right approach, and simply, will it all work? But first, something we must address. The administration's plan, the changes going into place today, I mean, they will affect some loans for undergrads through a program that lets parents borrow for their kids. But really, what we're talking about here, the huge change is not about undergrad. It's all about grad school. And like what? Well, prepare to have your mind blown.
Starting point is 00:04:55 So here's the weird thing. So the cost of undergraduate college is not rising. What? The net price of undergraduates. undergraduate four-year programs has been stagnant for roughly 10 years. Why, Corey, then? Whenever I run, like, calculations for how much I'm supposed to save for my very young children for college, it's like, oh, you might need millions of dollars.
Starting point is 00:05:20 Why are people telling me that? Well, so there is a casmic difference between sticker price and net price. Got it, got it. Sticker price is what people actually pay. Exactly. thicker price has been rising steadily for a long time. Okay. Send all your emails to Corey, but college net cost has not risen nearly as much as you may think. Undergraduate college, net cost, net, net, not sticker, net, has not budged much.
Starting point is 00:05:53 Corey says schools advertise eye-popping tuition rates, but after financial aid and scholarships, the amount that families actually end up paying for undergrad really has not been changed. That may be different if you're wealthy and you're not getting financial aid, but generally, yeah, grad school is the place where net tuition has really ballooned out of control. That's exactly right. Whenever people like me talk about the $1.7 trillion federal student loan portfolio, a huge chunk of that is actually grad school debt. It's fewer borrowers than undergraduate borrowers, but the debt itself. So much of it is actually graduate school debt. Okay. Well, let's fix that problem, then, shall we? Here we go.
Starting point is 00:06:43 All right. So the Trump administration's fix for this problem of ballooning grad school tuition, their idea of capping how much students can borrow. It's important to understand that it is just the latest move in what's been a decades long back and forth over how much to loan students. So caps on how much grad students could borrow from the government were first imposed back in the late 60s.
Starting point is 00:07:07 Then, 20 years ago, in 2006, the Department of Education swung the other way and started offering unlimited loans, which lasted until today. And now the Department of Ed is dismantling that unlimited loan program, and we're going back to caps. These new caps are just shy of $21,000 per year
Starting point is 00:07:27 for most kinds of grad programs, for more expensive programs like medicine and law school. There is a higher cap, And this idea that caps on student borrowing could actually bring down the cost of tuition, it's been around for a long time. Corey told me, at the old coffee machine, I believe, that Linda McMahon's Department of Ed, they did not invent this theory, this idea. Where does the story of this idea begin? Funny you should ask, Kenny. It begins on February 18, 1987.
Starting point is 00:07:59 I didn't expect a specific date, I will say. It was a dark and storming. night. I'm checking. No, actually, I don't know what the weather was on February 18th, 1987, but in what city? New York, because... Here, let me look at it. I will say, generally, drizzly and hazy in New York City on that day, yes. On that date, was published an opinion piece by the New York Times written by Linda McMahon's equivalent, the education secretary under then-president Ronald Reagan. All right?
Starting point is 00:08:34 Okay. And this opinion piece... Ronald Reagan's Linda McMahon. Yes, exactly. William Bennett, Bill Bennett. And the opinion piece, the title says it all, he called it our greedy colleges. All right? Oh.
Starting point is 00:08:47 Okay. Do we have this op-ed? Yeah, we do. Okay. Let's pull this up and just see. Okay. Quote, many of our colleges are at it again. They have begun to unveil tuition increases.
Starting point is 00:09:01 that far outstrip the inflation rate. Next year, tuition is expected to rise 6% to 8%. He argued that increases in federal student aid, quote, have enabled colleges and universities blithely to raise their tuitions, confident that federal loan subsidies would help cushion the increase. Okay, we should pause there. So that's the whole argument. Yeah. And in fact, this idea really took hold, an economist dubbed it, the Bennett hypothesis.
Starting point is 00:09:39 Okay. Now, I will say, this does not sound on its face preposterous to me. No. No, I don't think it does either. Yeah. So where my brain goes immediately is we cover the Federal Reserve. They are responsible for keeping inflation at around 2%. And when they are worried about prices increasing across the economy, what do they do? well, they make it harder to borrow money. And so I don't know. Is the DOE, to some degree, not sort of running monetary policy for one product, essentially, which is college? And so if they make it harder to borrow money, would that not be the way to fight inflation?
Starting point is 00:10:19 Well, Kenny, I will leave the monetary policy to you. But I will say it sounds logical. And I think that's why the Bennett hypothesis persists. persists to this day as a kind of popular idea. The question is, is it actually true? Right. When the Bennett hypothesis was hypothesized, it was exactly that, an untested assumption.
Starting point is 00:10:45 Yeah, there was no real way to test it until 2006, because that's when lawmakers decided to really kind of do the opposite of what Bennett was saying. They decided grad students needed more money, you know, not just for tuition, but for things like rent and food and books, a laptop, while they pursued their degrees. So it was exactly 20 years ago today that they enacted the grad plus loan program, which was the program that allowed unlimited borrowing for tuition plus all that other stuff. And that move, even though it was, again, likely the opposite of what Ben had in mind,
Starting point is 00:11:26 it allowed us to test the Bennett hypothesis. Right. It provided exactly the kind of data that you would need to study whether easy access to unprecedented amounts of student loans would indeed result in, how did Bennett put it, yes, quote, colleges and universities blithely raising tuitions to sop up more and more of the money. Which is why I ended up calling about half a dozen economists and higher education experts. Corey had a simple question for all these experts.
Starting point is 00:11:59 Is that theory bunk or not? What do we know for sure at this point about the Bennett hypothesis? So I poured over these studies by lots of different researchers over the past 20 years about how grad plus affected students. And I'm going to start with the study that everybody I talked to told me I needed to start with that is most often cited by Republicans. when they say, no, really, this will work. Okay. So this research was done in Texas, and it was specifically focused on the creation of the grad plus program in 2006, where graduate school borrowers suddenly went from having capped
Starting point is 00:12:47 loans to essentially being able to borrow as much money to cover tuition and fees as they needed. So what was the effect of that easy federal money? Well, Corey got on Zoom and chatted with one of the authors of that study. His name is Jeff Denning. I am an economist and a professor at the University of Texas at Austin. So what Denning said was they specifically wanted to look at when borrowers were suddenly able to take out a lot more in loans from the federal government. What effect did that have on colleges' prices in Texas. Did it increase the price that colleges were charging for their graduate programs? It's like the perfect natural experiment, if you want to test the Bennett hypothesis.
Starting point is 00:13:33 It is the perfect natural experiment. So Denning and his colleagues poured through tons of administrative data from graduate programs all over Texas. And they looked at student level details like enrollment, graduation rates, financial aid, and what they found is really interesting. And the short answer is that we found that the price did go up. Was it, was it like meaningfully up? A little bit up? Like, how would you characterize it?
Starting point is 00:14:06 Meaningfully up. I would say a meaningful increase in the price. Denning told me that for every additional dollar that students received overall in loan, graduate schools increase their prices by 64 cents. Two-thirds of a dollar, something like that. And Denning and his colleagues say that this is a causal relationship, that their study found because the students could borrow more, many schools were indeed charging more.
Starting point is 00:14:37 Hmm. That's what that study found. Mm-hmm. So just in Texas. Just in Texas. But meaningfully increased prices. Okay. So, great.
Starting point is 00:14:47 Bennett hypothesis true. Problem solved. Not so fast, Kenny. Yes, yes, I suspect there's more. So I also reached out to another researcher that lots of folks told me I need to talk to if I'm digging into the Bennett hypothesis. And his name is Robert Kelchin. I'm a professor of higher education at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville. So unlike Denning and his colleagues on the Texas study, Kelchin, rather than studying a state or an area, he focused in specifically on different fields of study.
Starting point is 00:15:21 I did research looking at business, medical, and law schools across the country. So what was the impact of limitless borrowing on traditionally pretty expensive graduate school programs? And what he found? I did not find evidence. Quote, I did not find evidence of the Bennett hypothesis, meaning no evidence that there's a direct connection between student loans and tuition prices. There's some evidence in favor, particularly at for-profit colleges. But he says it's based on a kind of cynical understanding of graduate school. Basically, that the Bennett hypothesis is a logical conclusion if you're only looking at certain types of schools.
Starting point is 00:16:04 It's a logical conclusion if you think that these graduate programs are massive profit centers. And some programs, fields like business, can be quite profitable. but other fields, for example, medical school is wildly unprofitable. And Kelchin's point is there are a lot of graduate fields of study that aren't that profitable because they are so expensive for the schools to offer. It can take a million dollars of resources to produce one medical degree. So limiting borrowing is not going to reduce that cost. You know, the labs, all of the different services they have to provide to students.
Starting point is 00:16:42 And you can imagine the schools. are operating on a relatively thin margin. Even if we assume that institutions raised prices when loans became available, it doesn't mean that they have the space to move in the opposite direction. Part of what Kelchin is saying is the reason these programs are expensive for students is they're expensive for the schools. So it's not so easy for them to cut prices. It's not that they're hugely inflated.
Starting point is 00:17:11 I mean, some are, but not all of them. So we've got some substantial. serious mixed evidence about whether the Bennett hypothesis could work. Nevertheless, this massive and sudden experiment is going forward. Today, the day we are publishing this episode, and so the people going to grad school this fall are already scrambling to make it work. We've got more on what the research says about how they're most likely to react after the break. Okay, so mixed conclusions on whether and when the Bennett hypothesis is correct, meaning the evidence linking how much people can borrow to how much grad schools charge for tuition,
Starting point is 00:18:03 depends on lots of things. But Corey also talked to some other researchers about this new Trump administration plan, which restores the idea of loan caps from 20 years ago. And actually, the loans end up being even more limited than before because they don't take 20 years of inflation into account. So we asked Corey, like, how do the people you talked to think, this move is going to play out. So I talked to Preston Cooper at the conservative-leaning American Enterprise Institute. So I think, you know, going forward, it's important to remember that the new loan limits are still relatively high and that actually most students are already borrowing within the new
Starting point is 00:18:45 loan limits. These new loan caps are probably only going to affect about 30 percent of grad school borrowers because the vast majority of folks, Cooper says, are right now borrowing within the new loan limits. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, and his point is that the point of these new loan caps is basically to put downward tuition pressure on some of the most expensive schools out there, including, by the way, some pretty elite name brand schools. One analysis from the peer center found that the two schools at the top of this list with
Starting point is 00:19:21 the most affected borrowers are NYU and USC. If students don't go to that absurdly priced university and instead choose a more reasonably priced institution for the same basic degree path, that creates a lot of pressure on the high-priced institutions to actually do something to lower their prices. He's put together some fascinating scatter plots that show, say, like a master's in social work and all of the programs in the United States that offer a master's in social work. And you can see he maps where the new loan limits are and the vast most. majority programs fall within the limits. But then there are some quite well-known and respected schools who, for one reason or another, are charging two or three times as much for the same degree that you could get at a public university next door. So, yes, I don't want to promise that in the first year where everybody's going to slash
Starting point is 00:20:19 their costs and, you know, it's going to be great. But I do think that this is going to create, you know, some pressure over time, whether that's through students choosing cheaper institutions or through institutions realizing that they can't just raise the price every year and pass it along to students through the federal loan program. This is going to create some real pressure or cost control in the medium run. So in the next couple of years, the Bannard hypothesis could maybe lower tuition? Sometimes, at some places, the experts I talked to pretty much agreed on that, Robert Kelchen at the University of Tennessee, he told me he expects to see at most a small decrease in tuition. Students may become a bit more price sensitive, shop institutions
Starting point is 00:21:07 a little bit more. And then Jeff Denning, who was one of the researchers on that Texas study, again, that is most often used by Republicans, to justify this move. He told me, it's possible. We'll see price cuts. It's not out of the realm of possibilities that price is. would reduce. And a handful of schools have already said, in response to this new program, they're going to lower their prices because they know students can't borrow as much. There will be less federal aid available. But the question is, how will the private market respond?
Starting point is 00:21:41 How will students respond? You know, I don't have a crystal ball. I wish I did. So no one has a true crystal ball as to how much, if at all, these caps will bring down the price of grad school. But, Corey, how do we think students will respond to this? Do we know that? So, Kenny, one of the folks I talk to is another friend of the show, friend of my beat.
Starting point is 00:22:05 A regular Corey Turner contributor. A regular Corey Turner contributor. Her name is Dominique Baker. She's an associate professor of education and public policy at the University of Delaware. And she told me that there's really robust evidence around what happens when you cut financially. for students. And she said, one of the things that most often happens is people just stop enrolling. When you cap financial aid, like a student loan, but don't provide some commensurate type of grant or scholarship to help, the number one thing that happens is that students stop going to college.
Starting point is 00:22:42 And that is consistent across the research literature. And Baker says, though we're not sure, that's likely going to be true for grad students, too. They're either going to leave school or turn to a private lender to try to get a loan. And Robert Kelchin was also telling me students are scrambling right now to figure out how to pay for school this year. Can they find money of their own? Can they go to the private market and find a loan? Universities are trying to figure out how many students are willing to attend if they have to find money from a source other than the federal government. So you've got lower income borrowers. What are they going to do? I mean, you could say, well, they'll go to the private student loan market, but the private student loan market is not what it used to be.
Starting point is 00:23:27 And that's because it used to be a key source of borrowing for students. Lots of people leaned on it. But when federal grad loans became unlimited 20 years ago, there was this mass exodus out of private loans into the federal system. So there was a little reason for students to take out private loans. And so the private industry shrank. And now it could be way harder to get a private loan if you're a lower income borrower with, you know, let's just say a short credit history or maybe a suboptimal credit history. You might not be able to get a private loan. Well, let me, if I put my sort of ruthless economic theory hat on here, that is what it looks like when demand for a product drops, right?
Starting point is 00:24:12 It's fewer people enrolling means fewer people are asking for a college degree. or in this case a graduate degree. And in theory, is that not the signal that is meant to be sent to these grad programs? You're too expensive. People are not going to enroll. Yeah, I think there's some truth to that, Kenny. And I also think that's not a bad message to send
Starting point is 00:24:35 to some of these schools. I think it's reasonable to tell those schools we're going to make this money harder to come by for borrowers because we don't think you're giving them a good return on their investment. Right. And since they're borrowing taxpayer dollars, you know, the message to these schools is, we're done. We're not going to lend unlimited money. I guess the cruel thing about this particular message to send is that you must use people who want to agree as the messenger. Not that I have a better way to send the message. Well, I don't, yeah, I don't know if this metaphor is
Starting point is 00:25:10 apt. But the way my brain keeps thinking of it is as a game of chicken. I feel like the Trump administration is playing chicken with schools. The game of chicken is the administration's saying, get your prices down, or else we're not going to use taxpayer-backed loans to send people to your program. Get your prices down, or we're going to make it so that you have a hard time filling your enrollment. And the trick there is that it's really the borrowers who are the ones having to make those hard choices. Does anybody have a better idea for how to get grad school costs to stem? No. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:58 I mean, well, one proposal I've heard from folks is like make the lending program more supple. You know, lend borrowers what is appropriate for their field of study. Okay. And one of the things the department is also doing, which Republicans created. in their one big beautiful bill is they're implementing a brand new, what's called a do-no harm provision where all college programs are going to be evaluated on the return on investment to their borrowers. So, like, if a college program, if it's graduates, don't end up earning more than a high school graduate who didn't go to college, that college program is going to lose access to federal loans entirely. entirely entirely so just i don't know if you even call that a cap is this just no i call it a death sentence
Starting point is 00:26:54 right right well i suppose some might say that that is a pretty severe incentive to make sure there's a return on your degree yeah all right corey turner thank you very much kenny malone i appreciate you asking me on by the way there are a bunch of student loan changes happen today, July 1st. It's not just this big giant one. Cori has a big digital story on the NPR website with a choose your own adventure component. So I recommend playing it through multiple times. Choose all of the adventures. Cori is also over on our sibling podcast, The Indicator, talking about all of those changes. And while you're at it, help us put the planet in Planet Money Summer School, please. Give us a tip of some economic success from somewhere outside the
Starting point is 00:27:52 USA that the rest of the world should know about. Maybe it's a different way to do home loans or a story about job creation that actually worked. Email us at planetmoney at npr.org and put summer school in the subject line. This episode was produced by Willa Rubin and edited by Marianne McCune. It was fact-checked by Charlotte Isidore and engineered by Robert Rodriguez. Alex Goldmark is our executive producer, special hat tip to friend of the show, Corinne. I'm Corey Turner. I'm Kenner. I'm Melanie Malone, this is NPR. Thanks for listening.

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