Planet Money - In Gaza, money is falling apart

Episode Date: September 20, 2025

Israel has been blocking the flow of physical money into Gaza since the start of the war. So whatever paper cash was in Gaza before the war, that’s all that’s been circulating. It’s now falling ...apart from overuse. Two best friends, one in Gaza and one in Belgium, are now trying to get money in.But how do you get money into a bank account in Gaza? And how do you get that money out, in Gaza, when there are no functioning banks or ATMs? And almost no electricity. And spotty internet. And what is there to buy? How does money even work in Gaza right now? Subscribe to Planet Money+Listen free: Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the NPR app or anywhere you get podcasts.Facebook / Instagram / TikTok / Our weekly Newsletter.This episode was hosted by Sarah Gonzalez. It was produced by Sam Yellowhorse Kesler. It was edited by Marianne McCune, and fact-checked by Sierra Juarez. It was engineered by Cena Loffredo, Robert Rodriguez, and James Willetts. Alex Goldmark is Planet Money’s executive producer. Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This message is brought to you by Pushkin Industries with the audiobook, Douglas Adams, The Ends of the Earth. Explore the mind of the beloved science fiction writer who foresaw both the digital age and the political state with astounding clarity. Available wherever you get audiobooks. This is Planet Money from NPR. The other day, I joined a call between these two old friends. Al-Al-Din Sheikh Khalid and Muhammad Awad. Hello, how isha? Hey, Mohamed. How are you? They haven't seen each other in 11 years, but they're always on the phone together.
Starting point is 00:00:48 Everything. You talk daily? Yes. He's my best friend. He's my brother. He's everything that friendship means. And Al-A-L-Din, who is Muhammad to you? Muhammad is really like, the best human I can know, like, when bad things happening. Muhammad got in even more, like, higher place and inside my soul. So, yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:16 Al-L-Din caused Muhammad Modi. Yeah, we call them Modi. Mohamed because Al-L-Din, just Al-A. Pretty simple nicknames. They were much more creative in high school. Alah, we called him the prince. You called him the prince? Yeah, he's right.
Starting point is 00:01:32 And then Muhammad al-Maestro, yeah? So the maestro and the prince. Oh, yes. Yeah, too best friend. Al-Din, Al-A, the prince, and Mohamed, Modi, the maestro grew up together in Gaza. In high school, Mohammed used to have to walk by Al-Din's house on the way to school. And every morning, Allah would wait for Modi. like going together, walking.
Starting point is 00:01:58 There's that guy who opening his store for morning a student and he selling falafel, hummus, ful, like very tasty, small sandwiches. Do you remember that? He asked Mohamed? Yes, of course I remember. It's our daily breakfast. This memory they have of walking to school in Gaza buying falafel and hummus sandwiches, this could never happen today.
Starting point is 00:02:21 Because first of all, Al-Din is in Belgium now and Mohamed is stuck in Gaza. But also, kids in Gaza have not gone to formal school in almost two years. 90% of homes have been damaged or destroyed. And food? Well, though Israel disputes this, a United Nations back panel has declared famine in parts of Gaza, which means there is documentation of widespread starvation. What you eat right now to stay alive, not for joy. And besides food, there's something else that's missing. When Al-Al-Din and Mohammed used to stop by the falafel store, they'd just dig into their pockets.
Starting point is 00:02:57 How would you pay for it? With cash? Yeah, cash. It was like cheap as coins, shekels. Like one shekel, for example, something like that. Shuckles are the Israeli currency. But Gaza uses the Israeli shackle too. Yeah, for sure.
Starting point is 00:03:13 The economy is sharing with Israel, the currency. And Al-Din says sharing currencies with Israel was, in a way, for a while, good for Gaza. From the shakle is good economy, yeah? We can say good economy. The Israeli shackle is a strong currency. But Israel stopped letting physical shackles into Gaza almost two years ago when the war started. No new cash or coins have been allowed to enter. And there are no bank branches or ATMs operating in Gaza anymore.
Starting point is 00:03:46 In addition to all of the other shortages in Gaza, there is also not enough money. So, Alaldeen, the prince in Belgium, he's now trying to get money into Gaza, Israeli shekels, into Mohammed's bank account, which is not that simple. No, absolutely not. Yeah. And Mohammed, the maestro in Gaza, he's trying to somehow turn that money in the bank into cash to buy things people need. That's why they're on the phone every day. The cash is a very big problem here. How do you turn money in the bank into cash when there are no banks and almost no electricity and spotty internet?
Starting point is 00:04:30 And what is there to buy? How does money even work in Gaza right now? Hello and welcome to Planet Money. I'm Sarah Gonzalez. Whatever paper cash was in Gaza before the war started, that's basically all that's been circulating for two years. It's been overused so much, the bills are now faded. and fraying. Money in Gaza is falling apart. Today on the show, how Mohamed and Al-Al-Din are little by little getting money from outside of Gaza into Gaza in order to buy food, milk,
Starting point is 00:05:03 tents. This involves multiple bank accounts all around the world, plus a cash broker in Gaza, sometimes a cash repair person in Gaza, just to get usable money in Muhammad's hands one time. In a way, Al-Din and Mohamed's whole project started because these two best friends ended up in two very different places. Mohamed was stuck in Gaza. Al-Din was not. Al-Aldin was able to pay to evacuate some of his family back when you could do that, but Mohammed couldn't get out in time. And Al-Din couldn't get his mind off of Muhammad or out of Gaza. So he started thinking, okay, what can I get into Gaza? He can't send food or packages. Israel controls the flow of anything into Gaza. The Israeli military says it's not letting cash in because it wants to prevent Hamas from being able to buy weapons or pay fighters. But this cash blockade is affecting all 2 million people in Gaza. UN experts have called it a severe economic emergency and pushed for an end. The Palestinian Authority in the West Bank also stopped cash shipments to Gaza because there were robberies.
Starting point is 00:06:37 So last year, Al-Din decided maybe he could get money in for the family he has left behind, friends, friends of friends, not to hand out as cash. Actually, people there is not to look. for money exactly, you know? They need it for urgent needs. Yeah, no one's handing out cash. Al-El-Din and Mohamed's whole project, which they call Impossible Light, by the way, is to get money in in order for Muhammad to buy formula,
Starting point is 00:07:06 tents, diapers, water, to give away for free. Muhammad, give the family the tent, give the family the food, like that. This is Haya. I'm from Gaza Strip. Haya lives in a camp in Gaza. along with a bunch of families that Al-Din and Muhammad have been trying to help out. They put us in touch.
Starting point is 00:07:27 She's the oldest child in her family. And talking to Haia really helped me understand what it's like to live in a place where there's a cash shortage. What families like hers have right now, what they don't have. How old are you, Haya? I'm 23 years old. 23. And where are you living currently? Like, where are you sleeping?
Starting point is 00:07:49 Recently, in Al-Mawasi, in a tent camp is where many of the hundreds of thousands currently fleeing the Israeli assault on Gaza City are likely headed. It's one of the few places left where people can stay in Gaza. Haya says it's crowded beyond imagination already. Do you have pictures of your home now, where you're living now? Home now? What? Every time I ask Haya about her home now, she says, what?
Starting point is 00:08:19 No, I don't have a home. I have a tent. Our tent is very simple. Inside the tent, there are just these eight mattress pads on the floor. Whatever belongings they have are covered under this red cloth. To make the place pretty, you know. Haya doesn't really want to talk about her tent. What Haya wants to show me is pictures of her real home and her old life. This is the cat, Mimi.
Starting point is 00:08:45 Mimi is Haya's fluffy white cat that she hopes is still in her home, where if her home is still there. She's not allowed to go back to check. That's your house, that big house? Right, my house is a big house. Haya misses her room in that big house. Her poetry books, having a door, quiet. I'm a person who like to be alone to read or to write.
Starting point is 00:09:11 She misses baking. A cake, a cheesecake, a cana. You know cana? I love canafa. If I meet you, I will bring Eknazha. Okay, sounds good. Have you ever left Gaza? Just one. Just once.
Starting point is 00:09:33 Right. For decades, Israel and Egypt have both restricted travel in and out of Gaza. But inside Gaza, until this war, people could still go to school every day, go to restaurants, go to the bank, go shopping, go work, make money. Can anyone work right now? Your mom, your dad, you, is anyone working and making money right now? Right now, no. There is no job in Gaza in certain. There are no jobs in Gaza anymore, says Haya. Her dad used to be a farmer, but 98.5% of cropland in Gaza is either damaged, inaccessible, or both.
Starting point is 00:10:12 Her mom was a teacher, but there's no more school. So there's no reliable way to make money except around aid work. So Haya says often people just barter to get what they need. Yes, right. My cousin traded oil with her neighbor and exchange for flour. Oil in exchange for flour? Yes, for flour. Sometimes Haya and her family will sell things, like when they have extra lentils at their tent,
Starting point is 00:10:39 extra chickpeas. And people will pay them through, like, mobile banking. Just transfer money from your Palestinian bank account to my Palestinian bank account. People in Gaza have been asking for. money on crowdfunding sites. They will even call random phone numbers in the West Bank asking strangers to please deposit money to them. But electronic money in a bank account has become less and less valuable in the war. Israel has cut off electricity to Gaza, except for one line that powers two water desalination plants, according to the Israeli military. There's some solar panels
Starting point is 00:11:12 and backup generators, but there's limited internet access. A bank transfer doesn't always go through when you needed to. Also, not everyone had a bank account before the war. So unless you can physically hold your money in your hand, you can't always use it. That's why people want paper money, cash. Do you and your family have cash right now? Right now, I have 200 cash. 200 shekels? Yes, right. And so that's $59 in the U.S.? Right. Whenever their family gets cash shekels in their hands like this, it is a valuable possession that they keep close by. I put the money in my bag and if all family go outside the front tent,
Starting point is 00:12:04 we make one person inside the tent to retic the money. This cash she has, the $59 U.S. dollars in shekels, she paid $118 for it. Yeah, it's strange. But in Gaza, actually, we buy money with money. There's not enough cash in Gaza, right? So if you have money in the bank, you have to find other people in Gaza who happen to have a lot of cash on them that they sell. People are calling them cash brokers or money changers, and the fee is high.
Starting point is 00:12:37 The exchange rate is 50%. So you show up to the money exchanger with 100 shackles. like in your bank and you transfer it into his bank account like that yes right right that and the money changer give me 50 shekels but you have shackles and you just need to turn them into bills in your hand shackles right not like numbers on your bank and even that is a 50% fee right before the war if i go to the bank want to take 100 check cash, I take 100 shakles. Yes.
Starting point is 00:13:21 It's your money, right? Right. Yes, that's right. But now cash in Gaza is so scarce that you will pay a huge markup for it. So we buy money with money. Yeah, you do buy money with money. Spending that money, though, that's another challenge. Haye has $59 worth of shekels right now, right? and yet she and her family do not eat often, like once a day.
Starting point is 00:13:49 There is one meal. It's spaghetti. Most of what we eat is just carbohydrates, so it's without vegetable or food. Fruits have completely disappeared. Vegetables are almost gone. And when they appear, the price was expensive. Okay. In some parts of Gaza,
Starting point is 00:14:14 people can grow vegetables sometimes and sell them in makeshift markets. But a lot of what is being sold in Gaza is food and medicine and supplies that are coming in as aid, as donations from other countries and charities. And some of that food and aid gets stolen and then sold when it was always meant to be given out for free. You are not supposed to sell humanitarian aid, which may be another reason people want to get paid in cash. Al-Al-Din says these people are contributing to the starvation of their own people. But also, getting the aid has become extremely dangerous. Though Israel has said that it has only fired warning shots near aid distribution sites, the UN Human Rights Office says that about 1,400 Palestinians have been killed
Starting point is 00:15:02 while trying to get food since May, nearly all by Israeli fire. So people collecting the aid are taking on a risk. And Al-El-Din says people are charging to take on that risk. Some people, like, even don't have someone to go to bring the aid, you know? Because now who want to bring the food, he need to be, like, in really good shape and, like, ready to die. So they make it as a job. So Hayas says, shopping for food is about what has made it into Gaza, how much you're willing to risk to get it, and how much you can pay. The war and resulting cash shortages have inflated prices.
Starting point is 00:15:40 A kilo of tomatoes now costs, cost us about $32. $32 U.S. dollars for like six tomatoes. One kilo. If she wants to buy sugar? If we want to buy sugar, buy a gram. Sometimes they'll buy just a few grams for like $6. Enough to our family only, to use once. Over the spring,
Starting point is 00:16:10 the price of cooking oil increased 1,200%. The price of flour, 5,000%. Larger items, like a tent? Right now, it's 30,000,000 shekels. 30,000 shekels for a tent? Wait. No, just a minute. Not so many, she says.
Starting point is 00:16:31 3,000. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. That's okay. Yes, it's 3,000 shakles. 3,000 shekels, $900 U.S. dollars for a tent. How much is, like, I mean, can you buy, I don't know, milk right now? By what? Milk?
Starting point is 00:16:52 No, I don't know what. Milk, like, you drink it. Milk, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I got it. Yes, I'm sorry. Milk, actually, my little sister, Leyan, said to me, Haya, if you find a milk, please buy for me.
Starting point is 00:17:11 So when the interview finished, I will research for milk. Haya has a little sister, Leyan, who she talks about all the time. She calls her My Leyan. And Sarah, she's just 10 years old. So Haya is going to try to find milk for her layan. Maybe powder milk, she says. And doing this or doing anything in Gaza is dangerous. Haya says the Israeli military has killed
Starting point is 00:17:37 so many people in her family. Cousins, aunts, also her best friend, a poetry professor she really cared about. And this is always in the back of Hayes' mind. Sure. I always scared to... I always scared to... I always scared to from lose my family. And every morning, I hug my mother, my father and my son. sister. I hug my little sister, my Leyan, Mohammed,
Starting point is 00:18:15 Raghad, and sit with them, I love you. After Haya and I say goodbye, she goes off to try to find milk for her little sister, which is exactly the kind of thing that Al-Din and Muhammad try to find for other people in Haya's neighborhood.
Starting point is 00:18:31 Great. Okay. So we need to buy the milk. Modi will buy the milk. I wrote the process, as you see. After the break, we follow the process. How a single donation to their project makes it from the U.S. or Europe or wherever to Modi in Gaza. From the prince to the maestro. Al-Al-Din has drawn this flow chart.
Starting point is 00:19:07 to try to show me how they even start the process of buying milk. Like, first just getting Israeli shekels into Gaza. I don't know if it will be chaos, but, like, we will start from the bottom. Like, there is a milk formula. Yeah, you can see it. A hot milk. Okay, so you did a little drawing. It says there's a little milk and it says buy milk.
Starting point is 00:19:27 There are all these arrows pointing up and branching out to show all of the different stops that a single donation makes before the money is in Muhammad's hands. ready to buy milk or buy diapers. Can I slow it down a little bit and start a little bit further back first before we do this? Yeah. Okay, you can put the paper down if you want. Here's how Al-Din and Mohammed's operation works. Impossible Light has a website and a crowdfunding site.
Starting point is 00:19:55 And they'll have all these different campaigns where they raise money for milk for children in Gaza or diapers or to put up bathrooms, bring in water pipes. Muhammad, the maestro, is the one in Gaza who buys all of the supplies and hands them out. Al-El-Din, the prince, is the one in Belgium who gets Mohammed the money to pay for these things. Al-El-Din and his wife, actually, Tammy, a self-described white American from Alaska, go looking for anyone they know, anywhere in the world, who wants to donate money to their cause. The tricky part is getting the donations to Muhammad. And this is where all those bank accounts come in, because you, You cannot easily or regularly walk into a bank in Belgium or the U.S. or Egypt and say,
Starting point is 00:20:39 here, I'd like to deposit all of these donations into the account of this person I know in Gaza. No, no, you cannot. You cannot. You cannot. For almost two decades, Gaza has been run by Hamas, which the U.S., Israel and most Western countries consider a terrorist group. And there are a lot of rules against using banking systems to fund terrorism. So even before the Israel-Hamas war, many banks shied away from just allowing people outside of Gaza to send remittances. Even recipients of aid from big humanitarian groups are vetted before money is sent.
Starting point is 00:21:15 You can do it. I spoke to a Gazan American in the U.S. who says she has wired money to Gaza many times through Bank of America, but to relatives. She says you can do it pretty easily if you have the same last name or if you have paperwork to prove you're related. But there have been a few times, she says, when she's tried to send money to a cousin, an aunt with a different last name. And she says that money has been frozen and then sent back. And it's not the U.S. Bank that blocks the money transfers, she says. It's not Israel that blocks it. It's the Bank of Palestine, she says, where her relatives bank.
Starting point is 00:21:50 When I asked for confirmation, a source at the Bank of Palestine said they try to facilitate as many transactions as they can while still applying, quote, robust, strict measures on anti-money laundering and countertaping. terrorism financing in compliance with our regulators and international standards and international partners. And the Palestinian banking sector is known for this. They don't want to be accused of financing terrorism, so they're very strict about who gets to send money to who. If you send for anyone inside Gaza, uh-huh. Welcome to you here and the biggest headache in your life. Al-El-Din says his bank in Belgium told him he could do a wire transfer to Gaza one time. And if you do manage to wire money to Gaza, there's a fee, right? The regular international wire transfer fee.
Starting point is 00:22:36 But because there are already so many fees in Gaza, and because six tomatoes cost $32 U.S. dollars, Al-Din wants every penny left that he raises to go to helping people in Gaza. So he does not pay to wire money. Instead, Al-Al-Din swaps money. He does these deals with people all around the world who, already have shekels in a Palestinian account, but don't need them because they are no longer living in Gaza.
Starting point is 00:23:05 Like, we're always looking and anyone has any money on any Palestinian bank account. You need to find people who have a Palestinian bank account already with shekels already in there. Yes. Like, that's the trick. The trick is to trade them for those shekels, like your shekels for my euros. or pounds, or yen, or dollars, whatever currency they now use. Al-Al-Din will say, don't exchange your shekels for euros or whatever. Give them to me.
Starting point is 00:23:40 I will give you the equivalent in euros from all those donations we've been getting. Just transfer your shekels to my Palestinian bank account. Because Al-Din has a relative who evacuated Gaza but still has their Palestinian account, and that's the account they use for their project. He pulls that account up to show me a real deal that just went through. Like now, I can show you 150 shekel came to my relative bank account from someone, Mustafa. Mustafa sent to us 150 shekels.
Starting point is 00:24:14 Mustafa is in Egypt, but he had 150 Israeli shekels in a Palestinian account. But Mustafa can't use it in Egypt as shekels. He needs an Egyptian bound. I tell him, okay, I give him. Give you Egyptian bound and give me the 150 shekels. And there's no exchange rate. Is that the deal? Like you don't charge him an exchange rate?
Starting point is 00:24:35 If you don't charge me, I don't charge him like this. No fees. 150 shakle, by the way, is like $45 U.S. dollars. So even a small little amount, 100 shakle, 150, we gather it, you know. There are lots of people like Mustafa, people who used to live or work in Gaza or the West Bank who got paid in shackles and still have their Palestinian accounts. So Al-Al-Din basically collects those shackles sitting in Palestinian accounts and just kind of moves them around until.
Starting point is 00:25:06 I take this shacle from our bank account and send it to Muhammad, my best friend, inside Gaza, Palestinian bank account. You see the point? Al-Aldine's Palestinian bank account is the key to his operation. Because when you transfer money from the Palestinian bank account of Mustafa in Egypt to the Palestinian bank account of Al-Azsche. relative, who is in Turkey, to the Palestinian bank account of Muhammad, who is in Gaza, it's instant. And there are no transfer fees. It's all Palestinian bank accounts. Now, Al-Din assumes
Starting point is 00:25:40 all of this is being watched and tracked, and he's fine with it. He says he is only sending money to Muhammad, a known, trusted source, and Muhammad only uses it to buy things. You give people money. Like, I think many people will wonder, okay, but how we know that you don't give this money for terrorist people. You can expect this question, right? I'm giving food. I'm giving debavers. Like, we have debavers.
Starting point is 00:26:05 I don't know how you can use the daibers. So once Al-Aldine in Belgium has transferred money to the bank account of his best friend, Mohamed, who is in Gaza. Mohamed now has to get the money out of the account as cash when there are no functioning ATMs and go looking for flour and bread and tents. Muhammad is currently staying in a relative's house. that is standing, but a lot of the exterior walls are gone. You can see into the neighbors, so it's always loud where he is.
Starting point is 00:26:33 The past years, I live in a tent. But 20 days ago, the army came to our camp and destroyed everything, destroy our tents. There is a heaviness in Muhammad's voice that you will hear. It's kind of always there, except when you hear him with his. kids, Ahmed and Mariam. Mariam, Mariam, he calls Mariam my heart. Hi, Miriam.
Starting point is 00:27:10 She's four. And when I ask her if she speaks any English, she says, no, number two. And that's Ahmed. He's too. Habibi. A bea. Habibi.
Starting point is 00:27:27 I give you a kiss. Right now, Mohammed and Al-Din are asking people to donate money for diapers in Gaza. Before the war, when Mohammed and his wife, Walla, were buying diapers for Mariam, actually, he says they were paying like $6 for a pack of diapers. Now it's $75 for a pack. The inflation is partly driven by the shortage of supplies and partly driven by the cost of getting cash in order to buy things. even if you can find someone who will accept a bank transfer for diapers, not cash, there's often a fee. Right now, NPR's producer in Gaza says the fee is 40%.
Starting point is 00:28:04 Because whoever accepts a bank transfer will have to, at some point, pay a fee themselves to turn it into cash. And then there's the problem with the cash itself, the cash that's left in Gaza. The money become hurts and destroyed. So when you offer it to a seller, they don't accept it. It becomes nothing, you know, become worthless. There are now cash repair people who try to repair the worthless, tattered, falling apart bills, also for a fee. So Mohamed doesn't just need to find cash. He needs to find cash that is in good enough shape that people will accept it.
Starting point is 00:28:47 He goes looking for the cash brokers that have. had told me about, sometimes at makeshift markets. One time he remembers trying to buy winter clothes for people, and he couldn't find someone to sell him cash for a while. I stay maybe five days looking for someone to give me cash. Maybe, yes, maybe you need to make calls to search on Facebook. Now, this market for cash behaves like any other market. The price for cash changes all the time depending on what's going on in Gaza.
Starting point is 00:29:23 Like when there's a ceasefire or when Israel lets in more food and aid, the fee for cash goes down. It can be below 20%. Because when food and aid is widely available and free, people don't need cash to buy it. When Israel does not let enough food in and food is scarce and therefore expensive, that's when people need more and more cash. And that's when the fees for cash skyrocket. It's very hard to accept this way to bring cash, but what else you can do? What else can you do? But Allah told me that Muhammad is actually really good at negotiating better fees for shekels than whatever the going rate is at any given time.
Starting point is 00:30:05 When we were all on a call together, Allah was like, tell her, tell Sarah about some of the deals we've made. Tell her about the last deal for shekel, actually. Yeah, what was the last deal you made, yeah. Last time, we buy it for, I think, 20% or what? So, yeah, that was like a crazy good deal, yeah, for sure. But even when Mohamed gets a good deal on cash, sometimes there's nothing to buy. For the last four or five days, there's no diapers in the markets. There's no diapers.
Starting point is 00:30:42 So sometimes you have the money, but it's difficult to buy whatever you want. Mohamed and Al-Din say you can be the richest person in Gaza. It doesn't mean anything when there's nothing to buy. And this market for cash, this market for stolen aid, it wouldn't exist if Israel led in enough food or money, right? It exists because there are shortages. The UN has called the famine man-made, which, again, Israel rejects. The Israeli government has also rejected a new report commissioned by the UN Human Rights Office that says Israel's policies meet the definition of genocide. The report says
Starting point is 00:31:23 Israel is deliberately inflicting on the Gaza population, conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction. Israel says the report is distorted, anti-Semitic, and that it relies on Hamas falsehoods. Al-El-Din and Mohammed say they're continuing to do the little they can to help keep people alive. And for people in Gaza, like Mohammed, they're in this weird place where they are cut off from the world, but they can still see online life going on, as usual, everywhere else.
Starting point is 00:31:57 Like Muhammad's daughter, Mariam, she watches YouTube videos of cooking shows sometimes, and she'll run up to her dad. Yelling me, I want this, I want this, I want this, it's delicious, I want this. Most of her ask about chocolate. And I promise her and try to promise her to bring it. But at the markets near Muhammad right now, he says there's not even fruit, no vegetables, no meat, no cleaning supplies.
Starting point is 00:32:31 And remember Haya? Haya, who went looking for milk for her sister, she didn't find any milk that day. It's hard to get on the phone with Haya because her service is. bad. When we talked, she had to go to a place with good internet. And once, we even turned on our cameras for a bit so we could see each other's faces. Nice to see you, actually. Yeah. Sorry, I'm in my closet, so sorry for the clothes all around me. Oh, it's nice. It's a nice room. Again, this window into the rest of the world. To talk, Haya had to pay three shekels to charge her laptop on someone's solar panel and 15 shekels to use the end.
Starting point is 00:33:10 internet at this place that's two hours away from her camp. How did you get there? I walk. Haya. No, no, it's fine. I'm honored to share my story and open a window into a real life here in Gaza. Haya has been sending videos of herself, looking for food in Gaza, buying it. Telling me how much she paid that day.
Starting point is 00:33:50 Before the war, Haya was majoring in English literature and minoring in translation at the Islamic University of Gaza. And she's still enrolled, just doing classes online now. She was actually sitting for a midterm she had coming up. In fact, Sarah, I held in to hope. Hope is the only thing Israel can't take from me. So there's a hope always. Hope for good future.
Starting point is 00:34:21 Hope for this war. Stop in one day. Hope for graduation. Like that. Rebuilding the Gaza also. Three weeks after Haya first went looking for milk, she messaged me to say she found them. Today's show was edited by Marianne McKeown and fact-tracked by Sierra Juarez.
Starting point is 00:34:49 It was produced by Sam Yellow Horse Kessler and engineered by Sina Lafredo, James Willits, and Robert Rodriguez. Alex Goldmark is our executive producer. Special thanks to Jawadrescala for interpreting and translating some of my interviews. Thanks also to Gada El-Najar, Raja Khaledee, Hadi, Adi, Amr, and to NPRS Daniel Estrin in Israel and Anaspabaa in Gaza. and thanks to their editor, James Heider. I'm Sarah Gonzalez. This is NPR. Thanks for listening.

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