Planet Money - Night of the living inflation

Episode Date: October 29, 2021

We look at a hidden form of inflation affecting our economy — we're calling it "skimpflation." The Indicator tells a spooky tale about the inflation demon. | Subscribe to our weekly newsletter here....Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is Planet Money from NPR. We are hearing a lot about inflation these days. You know the story. Prices are going up on goods and services from gas to cars to houses to lumber, etc. But Greg Wazowski of the Planet Money newsletter is here to tell you that you think you know what inflation looks like, but there's also a lot of hidden inflation going on. Hi, Greg. Hey, Mary. So what is going on? Skimflation. Skimflation? Yes, skimflation. Is this a real thing? I feel like I've never heard of it before. I mean, we kind of made it up. I mean, it's like a real thing happening in the
Starting point is 00:00:42 economy, but the word is made up. So what is this new word that we're agreeing to use? What does it mean? Well, even if you haven't really heard this term before, you've probably seen it in action in recent months. It seems like it's happening everywhere. It's a situation where we're paying the same or more for services, but they kind of suck compared to what they used to be. Okay, wait, can you give me like a practical example? Okay, so for example, a couple of weekends ago, me and my girlfriend, we went to this restaurant
Starting point is 00:01:08 and there was like 70 customers there and there were only two servers. And these poor servers were like running around so stressed out. And also it took like a really long time to get our meal. It took a really long time to get our drinks. And, you know, I felt for them, but I was like, wow, the service in this place has really gone downhill. Okay, so you could maybe just be aging and cranky, like maybe you were just hungry.
Starting point is 00:01:32 But, like, this is happening elsewhere, right? Like you didn't just experience this at a restaurant. Yeah, I mean, this isn't just me with, like, one anecdote here. I mean, you could see this all over the economy. So, for example, fast food restaurants don't really seem to be that fast anymore. You go to like the napkin and condiment dispensers and they're always empty. Not the condiments. The CEO of Domino's Pizza basically had to apologize because their pizzas are taking longer to deliver. Hotels aren't offering hot breakfasts. And then
Starting point is 00:02:04 if you stay there for multiple days, they're not going to clean your hotel room every day. I mean, inflation is happening all over the place. But what makes this inflation? Like, how is this not just like, oh, maximizing profits or cost cutting? So inflation, it really boils down to you're getting less for your money. The value of your hard-earned dollars is not going as far as it used to. This is the same idea. I mean, you're probably paying the same amount for that Domino's pizza or that hotel room, but you're getting a worse version. Companies are skimping on what they used to provide. And this isn't to say that, you know,
Starting point is 00:02:40 all businesses out there are bad and greedy. I mean, there are a lot of real issues right now in the economy. Costs are going up. It's hard for businesses to find workers. I mean, there is a pandemic that is still happening. So some businesses out there, especially small businesses, they might be skimping to survive. Greg, this is all sounding a little scary. Inflation is here forever. It's going to devour your paychecks.
Starting point is 00:03:10 Be afraid. Be afraid of the inflation monster. Hello and welcome to Planet Money. Are you afraid? Our friends at The Indicator have a special Halloween episode about just how scared of inflation we all should be. Coming up after the break. NPR. Welcome to The Indicator from Planet Money. I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Tonight, we bring you an economic horror story about a monster. A monster that can hide in plain sight.
Starting point is 00:03:53 You don't even know it's there until it's too late. Settle in for a tale from the economic crypt. or a tale from the economic crypt. Imagine a young child asleep in their bed, dreaming sweetly, until a nightmare strikes. There's all these fears out there. Supply chain issues, inflation.
Starting point is 00:04:19 Much hotter than expected. Inflation reports. Inflation surge accelerating. Inflation for September. Now we see inflation becoming more widespread. It's probably the same old thing as... Hey. Hey, you okay, kid? What's going on in here?
Starting point is 00:04:33 Uncle Adrian. I had a bad dream. Oh, it's okay. It's okay. What did you dream about? Inflation. It's coming for us again. It's going to make all of our money worthless.
Starting point is 00:04:46 I told you what was going to happen if you watched all that Bloomberg all day, right? But what about inflation, Uncle Adrian? What about everything getting super duper expensive? Look, sometimes prices go up, but the U.S. has this thing called the Federal Reserve, which is one of the biggest and strongest banks in the whole land. And one of its main jobs is to fight inflation. So if inflation ever rears its head, the Fed just turns up the interest rates and it slinks back to where it came from. Oh.
Starting point is 00:05:15 But really, there is no such thing as an inflation monster. Okay. Okay. You ready to go back to sleep? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 00:05:28 Good night. Good night, Uncle Adrian. There's no such thing as the inflation monster. There's no such thing as the inflation monster. What is that? What's that noise? No such thing as an inflation monster. Monster!
Starting point is 00:05:50 Actually, kid, I'm a demon. Don't demons usually have horns and teeth and a body? You're just a glowing, floating cloud of gas. Yeah, I'm the kind of demon that isn't so tangible. I'm an inflation demon. What do you want? I'm here to tell you that inflation is not only real, it's something to be very, very afraid of.
Starting point is 00:06:14 But Uncle Adrian says... Uncle Adrian says... Uncle Adrian's too young to know what he's talking about. He's never experienced the effects of widespread... hyperinflation. Hyperinflation? What's that? Glad you asked. Let's take a little trip back in time. Where are we?
Starting point is 00:06:36 Willkommen, bienvenue. We're in Germany's capital, Berlin. It's November 1923. The economy here tanked after World War I. Social unrest was everywhere. But things were about to get even worse. Oh, it's so cold here. Oh, why don't you go warm yourself up by the fire over there? Okay.
Starting point is 00:07:00 Hey. Hey, kid. You there? Yes, hand me that stack of paper right there. Yeah, sure, sure. Wait a second. Is this money? It used to be. It says a hundred billion marks on it. But these bills are worse more as kindling than they are as currency. What happened?
Starting point is 00:07:22 After the Great War, our government began printing paper money to pay reparations to the countries it invaded. It printed so much money that the price of everything rose astronomically. Last month, the inflation rate was almost 30,000%. That's bananas. So what do you do when you need to buy clothes or food? You could do what I do. Find a big suitcase to carry all that paper. Speaking of which, I have to buy bread for the family.
Starting point is 00:07:55 Auf Wiedersehen, kid. You. You. You did this? What can I say? I'm good. In a matter of months, even days, I grow and I grow. I touch every part of the economy and people's life savings become worthless. But this is a long time ago. In a totally different country, it couldn't happen at home. No. No. Uncle Adrian says...
Starting point is 00:08:16 Just wait till you see where we're going next, kid. Alright, kid, we're back in the present day. Hey, hey, I know this place. This is my neighborhood grocery store. Shh, shh, shh. Let's eavesdrop on these two with the shopping cart. All right, what about everything else on the list, though? Do you have it all?
Starting point is 00:08:40 I got the pork chops, but look at this price. This is at least a couple dollars more than the last time we got it. And a lot of this stuff in our cart looks more expensive than I remember. That or everything is shrinking. Like, look at this cereal. This box is way smaller than this. Oh, no. Is it? That's right.
Starting point is 00:08:57 Inflation. It's already happening. While your government has been pumping money into the economy, inflation has been steadily increasing the price of goods. Thanks to me, the dollar's value has eroded. And as people realize that, they'll spend their money even quicker before it loses even more value. They'll demand higher wages, which will make businesses raise their prices. And that will trigger more inflation.
Starting point is 00:09:22 The cycle goes on and on and on and on until all of your money is worthless. My money. All right, all right. Don't listen to him, kid. Oh, great. It's the feds. I'm with the Federal Reserve.
Starting point is 00:09:38 We got an alert about some paranormal inflationary activity around here. Listen, kid. Inflation is real, fine. But you don't have to be that afraid of it. The rising prices we're seeing can be explained by this very weird pandemic economy we're in. People are spending a lot,
Starting point is 00:09:55 but global supply chains are all gummed up. All that stuff will probably change once we get the virus under control. So this inflation is... It's temporary. We call that transitory. And here's something to remember. Thinking inflation is gonna happen makes it more likely to happen. In a way, whether inflation gets really bad is sort of up to us. Is it? It's even up to me? That's right, kid. You, me, our demon friend here. Our demon friend.
Starting point is 00:10:32 All kinds of things can contribute to inflation. But a key ingredient is our own feelings about the future. That part is all in your head, kid. It's in your head. It's in your head. No. It's all in your head. It's all in your head. No. No. No. I'm deflated. It's in your head. It's all in your head. It's all in your head. No! No!
Starting point is 00:10:48 I'm deflated! It's all in your head. It's all in your head. It's all in your head. Hey! Hey kid, are you okay? Uncle Adrian? You were mumbling in your sleep.
Starting point is 00:11:04 Was it another nightmare about inflation? I had this dream. I met inflation. It was a demon and made of gas, and I went to Germany and to the grocery store, and the Federal Reserve was there. Maybe we should call the doctor? No, no, listen.
Starting point is 00:11:22 Inflation is happening. It's caused by consumer spending and supply bottlenecks and the economy reopening. But I'm not afraid of it anymore. You're not? No. I mean, inflation can get really bad if everyone believes it will, but that just means it's partly in our heads, Uncle Adrian. Wow.
Starting point is 00:11:42 I mean, that's a really good point. But you should, you should probably get some rest now. Eh? Okay. Okay. Kiddo lights out. Good night, uncle Adrian.
Starting point is 00:11:56 Good night. Sleep tight. See you soon. This nightmare was dreamt up by Adrian Ma. It was brought to life by Brittany Cronin with sinister sound design by Brendan Baker from Phenomathon. With hauntings from Robert Smith, Kenny Malone, Bettina Peck, Brittany Cronin, Jamila Huxtable, and Mary Childs.
Starting point is 00:12:31 Taylor Washington summoned the facts, while Greg Rosalski and Alex Goldmark haunted the halls. Kate Concanon and Viet Le are the show's evil eyes and ears. Till next time, this is The Indicator. I'm Stacey Va- I'm not saying Stacey Abu. That is not happening. The Planet Money episode was brought to life by Emma Peasley and edited by Jess Chang. Spawned by NPR. And a special thanks to our funder, the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, for helping to support this podcast.

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