Planet Money - Summer School 8: Big ideas and life lessons from Marx, Keynes and Smith and more

Episode Date: August 28, 2024

Take the 2024 Planet Money Summer School Quiz here to earn your personalized diploma!Find all the episodes from this season of Summer School here. And past seasons here. And follow along on TikTok here for video Summer School. We are assembled here on the lawn of Planet Money University for the greatest graduation in history – because it features the greatest economic minds in history. We'll hear from Adam Smith, Karl Marx, John Maynard Keynes, and some surprising guests as they teach us a little bit more economics, and offer a lot of life advice. But first, we have to wrap up our (somewhat) complete economic history of the world. We'll catch up on the last fifty years or so of human achievement and ask ourselves, has economics made life better for us all? This series is hosted by Robert Smith and produced by Audrey Dilling. Our project manager is Devin Mellor. This episode was edited by Planet Money Executive Producer Alex Goldmark and fact-checked by Sofia Shchukina. Help support Planet Money and hear our bonus episodes by subscribing to Planet Money+ in Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org/planetmoney.Always free at these links: Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the NPR app or anywhere you get podcasts.Find more Planet Money: Facebook / Instagram / TikTok / Our weekly Newsletter.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

If you're hearing this, that means you haven't gone sponsor free with NPR plus. Join us on the plus side for awesome podcast perks across more than 20 NPR podcasts, including bonus episodes, behind the scenes content, sponsor free listening, and more. Learn more and sign up at plus.npr.org and never hear this promo again. This is Planet Money from NPR. Graduating class of Planet Money Summer School 2024, professors, parents, welcome to your commencement ceremony for your master's degree in the economic history of the world. We stand here on the great lawn of Planet Money University, a place that only exists in

our minds, yet a place we return to every summer with a sincere desire to learn a bunch of facts that we can amuse our friends and family with during backyard barbecues. Today on the show, the greatest graduation in history. Because it features the greatest economic minds in history. We'll hear from Adam Smith, Karl Marx, John Maynard Keynes, and some surprising guests as they provide a little bit of economics and a lot of life advice. It's been 5,000 years in the making. This is Lesson 8, Today and Beyond. I'm Robert Smith.

While our graduation speakers are putting on their robes and sneaking extra glasses of champagne, I see you, John Maynard Keynes. We have some business here to take care of because you have not yet proved to us that you are worthy of a completely bogus Fake degree from a made-up school you have to pass a test We have a fiendishly clever final quiz that we've now put up online

It's at NPR org slash summer school eight questions are all you need to answer But you might need to go back and study a bit. This summer school session has moved fast. It was like the economic history version of Billy Joel's 1989 hit, We Didn't Start the Fire. We went from stone coins to spice shills to John Law printing paper bills, stock trades, bonds made. Amsterdam was getting paid for plague survivors, work was keen, let express the new machines, Ricardo, Biddle, panics were the latest scene, we didn't...

Sorry, almost embarrassed myself there and violated copyright law. But you get the idea. Study up, take the test, and sit back and enjoy your last day in summer school. Coming up after the break, we desperately try to finish up the last 50 years of history and then the ceremony you've been waiting for. Hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm. Okay, so tell me if this sounds like you. You love NPR's podcasts, you wish they weren't interrupted by sponsor breaks like this one, and you want to support NPR's mission of creating a more informed public. If this does sound like you, then it's time to sign up for perks across

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Learn more at npr.org slash network. Welcome back, graduates to be. Adam Smith and Karl Marx are backstage doing vocal warmups, the lips, the teeth, the tip of the tongue. But first, we need to finish up the long stretch of economic timeline that we started in episode one. The reason we wanted to spend the summer

talking about economic history is not just for the trivia, it's so we can understand our current moment. Basically to answer the question, can economics make life better for us all? Has it lived up to its promise? That's the subject of an episode that aired on the Planet Money Indicator in 2018. It used a very clever gimmick to figure out

how we should look at the last 50 years of human achievement. Stacy Vanek Smith and Cardiff Garcia have the story from 2018. There's this idea we've been obsessed with recently. Destruction tends to happen quickly. Progress often is slow. And this combination of sudden bad things

and slow good things, it kind of messes up the way we see the world. The news is all about bad things. Hurricanes, school shootings, fires, all the political fighting. And in the background, these good things happen kind of, sort of invisibly. But what would happen if instead of us getting news updates

every day or multiple times a day or every five minutes. However long it takes for my Twitter feed to update, yeah. What if we only got news updates every 50 years? Things would look really different. Can we get you to just introduce yourself? Yeah. So hello, my name is Hannah Ritchie. Yeah, my name is Max Rosa. I'm a researcher at the University of Oxford. Hannah and Max work on this project at Oxford called Our World in Data. We got the idea for the 50-year newspaper from them.

Max had written about the concept in an article he wrote for, ironically enough, The Washington Post, a daily newspaper. But he didn't actually make a version of this 50-year newspaper himself, so we called up Max and Hannah and we put them on the spot. And we said, okay guys, the last version of this paper would have been published on January 1st, 1968. It is about to come out now, January 1st, 2018. What do we put on the front page? Well, obviously there's going to be a mix of good and bad news.

To be honest, I kind of just want to get the bad news over with. Yes, let's do that. Let's start there. First headline. Is it just me or is it hot in here? Carbon dioxide emissions, which contribute to global warming, have more than doubled over the last 50 years. Hannah says this means we're on track to see the temperature increase by mean. The next story, more bad news. Cardiff, you do the headline.

Humans to animals drop dead. We really are kind of eradicating biodiversity at a really fast rate. Since 1970, the number of terrestrial animals has declined by 60%. Wow. really? Yeah. Wow. There's been kind of this new term coined, the anthropocene. And anthropo is human, so it's basically the humans are taking over the world and this

geological period will be defined by us. 60% decline in the number of terrestrial animals. That is an astonishing figure and a little bit depressing. A little bit. But the thing to know about all this bad news, Stacey, is that it's also kind of the side effect of really great news. And Max and Hannah argue that some of the stories

on the front page of our paper really need to reflect that. So definitely also on the front page, the next headline, this one's yours. Poor No more. Over these five decades, we saw global poverty fall from well over 60% to below 10% in the latest figures. Wow. That's, that seems huge.

It is huge. Like this development is really huge. We've gone from six in 10 people living in poverty, most of the people in the world, to just one in 10. Max says it's because the world has gotten wealthier, and that's meant a better life for most of the people on the planet. It really shows that modern economic growth can be and often is a positive sum game, right? Next headline, child mortality plummets.

Last time when we had the newspaper out, we still lived in a world where one out of six children were dead before it was five years old. Today, it's one in 22 kids who die before the age of five. Now, Max says this is still unacceptably high. He's right, of course. But that is still profoundly better than it was 50 years ago. People have more access to healthcare, education, smallpox has been eradicated, and polio has almost been eradicated.

More people have access to clean water and to food. And in fact, food brings us to our next headline. Blame it on the grain. The share of people that are defined as undernourished or hungry share of people that are defined as undernourished or hungry have fallen nearly two-thirds in the last 50 years. Danielle Pletka Back in 1968, more than a third of the people living in developing countries didn't have enough to eat. Now, it's about 12%. Dr. Sarah Hicks And this has really been driven by a range of factors such as fertilizer, improved crop varieties, irrigation, agricultural machinery. All of these have contributed

to see this really dramatic yield increase. You know what's interesting about this, Hannah, is that when we think about technological advancement, we tend to think about like high tech stuff, like our iPhones or something. But actually it sounds like one of the most impressive and most significant innovations has actually been in this kind of boring sector

of agriculture, but that is actually what's made a huge substantive difference in people's lives. Right. Together, they've probably saved the lives of three, four billion people. So, these are the really, really crucial technological advancements, I'd say. So if you read all five stories on the front of this 50-year newspaper, you'll sort of notice that the good news and the bad news are linked together. The bad news was the cost of the good news because if you think about it, higher emissions

and less biodiversity, these are the costs of the economic growth that made all of the good news possible. And the good news is really good. It's great. Child mortality falling, people getting wealthier, those are really good things, but they've come at a really big price. That's right. And so it seems like the challenge for the next 50 years is how do you keep the good

news coming? How do you keep making things better for people while also not totally screwing up the planet. Oh wait, Stacy, should we even include the fall of communism on here? Oh, whatever. Do that one in 2068. Cardiff Garcia and Stacy Fannick Smith. Let's call them our valedictorians for the class of 2024. They are also members of our honor Society of Phi Beta Planeta, which you too can join if you get a perfect score on our final quiz. It's at npr.org slash summer school.

Okay, we'll let the summer school choir perform while we take a break. And when we return, Adam Smith takes the stage. Truth, independence, fairness, transparency, respect, graduate from a free podcast university. I remember it well. And I know that the world is scary out there for people with clearly fake credentials. But do not worry. Today, the most influential thinkers in economics will travel through time to give you some advice to take with you out into the real world.

Here's how it's going to work. We will invite to the stage the people who have written biographies of the world's most famous economists, and they will give us a brief synopsis of where their subject fits into history and what that economist might tell the class of 2024. Warning, the economists don't always agree with each other.

Fight, fight, fight. First up, the economists don't always agree with each other. Fight, fight, fight. First up, the father of economics, the captain of capitalism, Adam Smith. Adam Smith will be presented by Russ Roberts, who is the John and Jean Denalt research fellow at the Hoover Institution and the author of the book, How Adam Smith Can Change Your Life. Before you change our lives, Russ, could you give the graduates a few words about how we should think of Adam Smith? Adam Smith was important in economics. Well, I mean more than just economics, don't you think? I mean, he really was the first social scientist. He understood that many of the things that we see in the world around us emerge without central design or planning by any one individual,

but are the result of all of our actions. In modern times, we would call an example of that a market. No one person decides what houses should cost in a particular city or how much a barber could charge for a haircut or a stylist. These are things that just happen, we take them for granted. And one of the things we take them for granted, and one of the things we take for granted more than anything else is that when we want

to go buy something, it's there waiting for us in countries that adopt a market-based economy. And Smith understood that in a way that was really not so obvious and reminded us to be aware of its magnificence. He's not, by the way, a free-market ideologue, but nor is he a central planner. What he was trying to illuminate was the power of self-interest, not selfishness, but how self-interest combined crucially with competition could make our lives better.

Now, you might expect an Adam Smith graduation speech to push everyone to pursue the profit motive and self-interest in a free market. But this isn't business school today. And Adam Smith was also a moral philosopher who thought about human needs and desires beyond money. I know, I know. Russ Roberts, take the microphone and give us your interpretation of what Adam Smith would say. You know, if Adam Smith were alive today and had a chance to give a commencement address to a group of graduates, I think he would draw on his less famous book, The Theory of Moral Sentiments, which he published in 1759.

And in there he wrote, man naturally desires not only to be loved but to be lovely. Now, he was writing in 1759, so he said man, but by man he meant men and women, human beings, have two urges. The first is to be man, but by man he meant men and women, human beings, have two urges. The first is to be loved, and by loved he meant respected, praised, to matter, to be honored, and by lovely he meant, writing in 1759, to be worthy of praise, worthy of honor, worthy of respect. So he understood we were flawed, he understood that we often pursue our self-interest at the expense of other people. But he believed that deep down, we also wanted to be decent

because we understood that if we are to be respected, we have to earn it. And I think that's excellent advice for anyone who's just graduating and moving into the next stage of their life, which is be lovely, be worthy of honor, respect and praise. Thank you very much. And thank you Russ Roberts, who I should say is one of the OG economics podcasters. His show Econ Talk is one of our favorites here at Planet Money.

Next up, a man who did not comb his hair or trim his substantial beard for the occasion. How could he? It's his trademark. I'm talking about the great Karl Marx. Now, you may know him as the inspiration for proletariat revolutions around the world, but before that, Karl Marx was primarily

a long-winded economic writer. He came 100 years after Adam Smith and said, yeah, that whole capitalism thing isn't working. To share his words of wisdom, please welcome to the graduation stage, Vanessa Wills, professor of philosophy at the George Washington University. Professor, first we need the world's shortest recap of Marxist thought.

Karl Marx existed under capitalism like we do, and capitalism is a system where some people own the means of production, factories, raw materials, technology, and so on, and lots of people don't. And the people who don't sell their labor power. They sell their ability to work, which is the only thing that they have. And the result is that over time, the people who sell their labor power form a mass of poor people who don't have meaningful control in their society. And those who own the means of production become quite wealthy, right?

They do okay for themselves. Marx thought that this was a necessary result of capitalism, that this was something that could not be done away with under capitalism. And so what he advocated instead was socialism, sometimes called communism, and that is an economic system where workers own the means of production. There is shared democratic control over society's resources. So every person can develop their own

interests, capacities, and talents and they can do that as part of a community where people are helping one another to flourish as well. Carl Marx famously died before a lot of the revolutions that would happen in his name, but if he were to get the chance to stand in front of us now, what would be his advice? Vanessa, you may address the assembled crowd. Graduates, congratulations on making it to this point of completion

of the Planet Money Summer School. I think that if Karl Marx were here with us today, he would give you the same advice he gave to a friend of his in a letter that he wrote during his lifetime. And that was to engage in the ruthless criticism of all that exists. Marx went on, ruthless engage in the ruthless criticism of all that exists. Marx went on, ruthless both in the sense of not being afraid of the results it arrives at and in the sense of being just as little

afraid of conflict with the powers that be. Now we can ask what does Marx mean by ruthless criticism? He doesn't just mean being a hater, although Marx could have been accused of being a hater at times. He's talking about really looking at the world around us and seeing it as a world that is in movement, about which we can ask, how did this come to be? Why does this institution have legitimacy? Why does that person deserve our obedience? And those questions can lead us to answers not just about how we got where we are, but also about where we want to be and how we can get there. So I think that

we very much live in a time that is not so different from Marx's time. And in fact, I would go so far as to say it is Marx's time because we still live in a capitalist system and we still live in a world where human beings are pitted one against the other. And if we ever wanna change that, then I think we need to take up that advice. Thank you very much.

Oh, the students love them. Some Marx, he'll be signing dorm room posters and t-shirts after the ceremony. And thank you to Professor Wills, author of Marx's Ethical Vision. Let's fit in one more speech before we take a quick break and let's go a little less obvious this time. Sadie Alexander, born in 1898, a little after Karl Marx died. Sadie Alexander doesn't make it

into a lot of economics textbooks. So we've invited Nina Banks, a professor of economics at Bucknell University, to sing her praises. Professor, tell the graduates why we should know the name Sadie Alexander. So Sadie Tanner-Masselle Alexander was the first African American economist. Unfortunately, because of gender and racial discrimination, she was prevented from having a career in economics after she received her doctorate degree in 1921. But I found through going through her archival records that she had actually spent her entire life focused on economic concerns facing African Americans

and that she used the law as well as her knowledge of economics in order to challenge those inequities. She just happened to do it through the civil rights movement rather than publishing long books of economic philosophy like our first two speakers. So, Professor, the lectern is open. The crowd is waiting for a life lesson from Sadie Alexander. So if Sadie Alexander were addressing a graduating class of students, she would want them to focus on the major economic and political challenges that our nation is currently facing. During her lifetime, she lived through racial violence, she lived through the Great Depression, the New Deal era, McCarthyism, and the civil rights movement. So Sadie Alexander would propose that government implement policies that would help to expand the rights of citizenship through

providing job opportunities to everybody and she believed that the government could provide full employment by creating public works projects that focused on pressing social needs such as inadequate housing and food insecurity. And so Sadie Alexander would challenge you to remember all of the important lessons that you've learned about economic history through Planet Money. And she would encourage you to always remember that people have dignity and to promote their dignity. She would encourage you to be a person of integrity.

And she would also most definitely encourage you to be outspoken and to challenge inequities and injustices that prevail within our society. Thank you very much and good luck graduates. Marks and Smith may have had their theories, but never forget that there are real people and real injustices out there. Thank you, Professor Nina Banks from Bucknell University.

She edited the book, Democracy, Race and Justice, the speeches and writings of Sadie T.M. Alexander. For those of you here on the lawn, we will now read out the names of every single one of our summer school listeners. Should only take a few hours. For those of you listening at home, we'll take a quick break before we hear from the great icons of the modern economy, John Maynard Keynes and Milton Friedman. Please hold your applause everyone as I read the graduates names.

Aaron Aaronson, Abel Aaronson, Adelaide Aaronson. Zahra Zebediah and Ziggy Zubholder. I think that's it. You may now applaud. Whoa, sun's getting low in the sky, but we still have to learn about the contributions of three of the most brilliant economists of the 20th century. At this point, many great thinkers were realizing that capitalism would need some fixing if it was going to survive. First up, the genius and bon vivant who reshaped economics after the Great Depression,

John Maynard Keynes. We have with us one of his biographers, Zachary Carter. Zach, give us Keynes in a nutshell. Keynes established the basis for what we now call the macroeconomy. The idea that the dynamics that prevail across the whole economy could be different from those that apply to an individual household or business. And part of this is the observation that the economy does not necessarily tend toward any kind

of naturally harmonious equilibrium in which things just generally work out for all of the individual actors. The active hand of the state is in fact required to ensure that things like everybody who wants a job can actually get one. Graduates, you may remember we talked about Keynes in our episode about the Depression. He had the theory that the government can fight economic busts by spending more money.

And when we hear about government stimulus during, say, the COVID pandemic, that's John Maynard Keynes guiding the hand of the state. Zachary, it is time for you to bring the spirit of John Maynard Keynes back to life for a few moments to help him share his wisdom for the graduates. Welcome graduates of summer school 2024. Congratulations on completing an achievement that Keynes himself never mastered, the fulfillment

of an entire series of coursework on economics. I'm sure he would be very proud of all of you today. He had a wonderful quote from the 1920s about what a great economist ought to be and I'll read it for you now. Good or even competent economists are the rarest of birds. The master economist must be mathematician, historian, statesman, philosopher, in some degree. He must understand symbols and speak in words. He must contemplate the particular, in terms of the general, and touch abstract and concrete in the same flight of thought.

He must study the present in the light of the past for the purposes of the future. No part of man's nature or his institutions must be entirely outside his regard. He must be purposeful and disinterested in a simultaneous mood, as aloof and incorruptible as an artist, yet sometimes as near to earth as a politician. And I'll leave you with that. Congratulations and thank you very much. Zachary Carter wrote the book, The Price of Peace, Money, Democracy, and the Life of John Maynard Keynes.

We now turn to the person called the greatest economist to never win a Nobel Prize, Joan Robinson. She was born in 1903 and lived 80 years. And here to share Joan's wisdom is Linda Yu, an Oxford University economist and the author of The Great Economists, How Their Ideas Can Help Us Today, in which Joan Robinson was featured. The graduates may not know as much about her, Linda, so give us the highlights. Let me start actually with one of her sayings, which I think says quite a lot about her. So she once observed, the purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made

answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists. So even though she was an economist at Cambridge University, she certainly had, I think, yeah, just a different view of the subject. So aside from her pithy sayings, the reason why I think Joan Robinson should be giving this commencement speech is because she changed our thinking about labor markets. She introduced the concept of monopsony. So we know the concept of monopoly. That's when there's only one business selling a thing. They control the market, can set the prices for consumers,

but monopsony is different. What was Joan Robinson writing about when she talked about monopsony? It's the same concept, but for the labor market. So it's an employer who has great market power. And so therefore they can set wages below what might be considered to be fair pay. And this concept of monopsony has been discussed

as the reason why wages have lagged behind economic growth for decades in the United States. Well, our graduates are certainly concerned about their wages. You've put the fear into them. So let's get the spirit of Joan Robinson up here to inspire and address the graduates. I think the advice that Joan would offer all of you gathered here today is do not go down the usual path, come up with something revolutionary,

and that's what thinking is about. It's not whether or not the mathematics absolutely support it 100%. It's about engaging with the big, messy macroeconomic questions that could change our lives. She certainly did that. Thank you all very much. Linda Yu from Oxford University.

You know, looking out into the audience, I can see that you sense the intellectual tension between our speakers. We had the original free markets guy, Adam Smith, and then awkwardly, the man ready to overthrow that system, Karl Marx. And then we had advocates for how the government can help capitalism work, be more compassionate.

Sadie Alexander, John Maynard Keynes. For our last speaker, the man who wanted us to return to some of the original Adam Smith free market spirit, Milton Friedman, a professor at the University of Chicago. With us now to present the last speech is Jennifer Burns, an associate professor of history at Stanford and a fellow at the Hoover Institution. She wrote the book Milton Friedman, The Last Conservative.

Why does Milton Friedman deserve a place in this pantheon of speakers we've had here today? So Milton Friedman is known as a founder of monetarism, which he summarized with the statement, inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon. Now what did he mean by a monetary phenomenon? He meant that it's fundamentally connected to the amount of money that is circulating in an economy and money defined in various different ways. But what it really did was it drew the attention of observers to the role of the Federal Reserve System in the American economy. And specifically, Friedman looked at the Great Depression and said the Federal Reserve System

contributed to the Great Depression by not providing enough liquidity in the system. And then he looked to what was happening in the 1970s, which was an emergence of sustained inflation and said, what's happening here is that the Fed is being too loose with money and this is what's causing inflation. Now, this was revolutionary at the time because many other economists thought inflation was caused by, let's say, labor unions bidding up wages or corporations waging prices. And he said, you know, those are symptoms of inflation. Those are not the cause.

The cause of inflation is going to be at the structural level and the policy decisions that are made that influence and affect the banking system and how much money the banking system is circulating throughout the general economy. To put his message simply, inflation comes from too much money. So we know what his advice to governments might be, especially these days, but you all might be thinking, what does he have to say that's relevant to the graduates of an imaginary college? Jennifer Burns, take it away. Congratulations.

If Milton Friedman were here speaking to you, he'd probably say, pay attention to the unseen, not just the seen. In other words, don't look for the visible and obvious explanations of events, but think about the invisible, larger forces that may be working themselves out slowly in history. A good example of this from economics would be, don't blame the Great Depression on the stock market crash of 1929. Instead, look carefully at what the Federal Reserve is doing or not doing.

And a good example of this from life in general would be, instead of thinking all social problems can be solved with a government program or a law, think about, in fact, if this law or regulation might actually make the problem worse. But to make it clear, Freeman was not a pessimist, nor did he think the government could never do any good. It's just that he had supreme confidence in human creativity, human ingenuity, and the power of human freedom.

So he would say, it's in your hands. And keep that in mind, graduates, as you sally forth into the wide world. Thank you so much. And thank you to all of our distinguished and honored speakers here today, and the professors and historians who helped bring them back from the dead. I can say this, they would have all loved podcasting. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!

Before you throw your cap in the air and head out to the bars, remember you do have one last thing to do. Take the Planet Money History Quiz. 8 questions that will allow you to download that instrument of braggadocio, the virtual diploma. Suitable for framing, decorating your locker, or what the heck, put it on LinkedIn. No one will read the fine print.

The quiz is at npr.org slash summer school. If this is your first year as a graduate of summer school, we have four other seasons available. Search for our special summer school podcast feed. We have degrees in microeconomics, macroeconomics, investing, and an MBA program. Enough podcasts to get you through to next summer when we will return with another burst of academic learning. Until then, graduates, congratulations, and make your own history. Audrey Dilling is the producer of Planet Money Summer School and the one who figured out how to get 5,000 years of history into just 8 episodes. Devin Meller is our project manager, Sophia Shukina fact-checked this episode, and Alex

Goldmark is our editor and executive producer. This episode was engineered by James Willetts. Special thanks to Alison Hurt, Kristen Hume, Daria Bohr, and Amber Kearns for their help on this series, and to the staff of Planet Money for listening to the episodes and giving us feedback before they aired. I'm Robert Smith. This is NPR. Thanks for listening.