Please Stop Talking - Male Liminal Space (feat. MandaloreGaming & Brendaniel) | Please Stop Talking

Episode Date: March 15, 2026

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Five pat. Yeah. Epic ayahuasca vacation for the win. Who's inviting the woman this time? Do we got to have women? Oh, too far? Oh, we gotta have women. Like, can it just be like dudes rock?

Like, we gotta have women. We gotta have DMT. We have to pick a fucking fantasy novel and just recreated in video game for. Oh, you know what? Let's do Utah, Brandon Sanderson recreate Mistborn. We start eating globs of iron and Brandon Sanderson runs around. be awesome.

Let's recreate a, what the fuck? What's the fucking book that you two have been talking about with the, oh my God, it's the fucking book about the guy that gets Isakid and then he has like strange powers. A Yankee and King Arthur's court. A Yankee and King. And I do declare, I do think it would be quite often if they were hit by a vehicle of some command.

I have say truck and I do pull up my suspenders and I say, I don't know. My southern accent for Mark Twain is Falkhorn Lakehorn. It just becomes Falkland Lake Horn. Bob, Bob, I got east guy. Bob. It's the book. It's the book series. What the fuck is a book series called?

You told me about it. Is this like Guns of the South? It's a South African book where a, um, no. A member of the member goes back to the Civil War and changes some things. What do you mean by some things? Oh, yeah, it's a member. When we're saying some things. what things are we saying?

It means a South African soldier goes back in time to the U.S. Civil War and gives them like AK-47s and the Confederates win the war. Oh, they made a fucking video game about that, didn't they? I don't think they made a Guns of the South video game. Probably not, but isn't that the

Are you thinking of time shift? No, that's darkest of days. Darkest of days. No, no, that's just playing all sides. This is... That's playing all. That's a fucking... It's a dumb-ass centrist game.

This is like, this is Very specific. They had a plan. No, I'm talking about there's this book series that you were talking to me about that Cameron recommended to you about this guy. God, it was written by some guy and then he got picked up for publishing recently. Oh, dungeon crawler Carl, yeah. Yeah, dungeon crawler Carl.

Yeah, I'm caught up on those. Yeah, those books, um, yeah. They're, I really like them. They're really fun. I do have like a couple of problems. I have problems with a lot of like fantasy books when I read them, but a lot of them just revolve more so around like how certain elements of the stories. are told or how like characters are portrayed.

But it is very much like a comedy fantasy series where a dude and his cat go into a world dungeon and he's only in there with his boxers. That's fun. I like that. His cat's named donut and then immediately gets a little pet biscuit in the like dungeon world game and is just talking the entire time. Is it an Issa guy? Not really.

It's more. So think of the Western kind of like approximation of an ECI with like the game stats and stuff. They called him late RPGs. That's a genre of book. That's the word. I was looking for that word. Yes.

You're thinking of late RPGs. Yep. Now, dungeon crawler Carl is probably the most well-known one of those by now. But, like, it's fun. Like, it's, I don't really care about, like, the, I don't like, um, the stat element of lit RPGs where they have to MMO slime, like the, and now I have plus two strength. Here's my full stat spread. I have 38 strength and 42 charisma and 37 dexterity. And I never like that stuff, but I do like the weird itemization. You never know what the fuck kind of like weird items they're going to get. And then also in the book, I love Carl making the dungeon horse. by stepping on things. I don't mind that. What do you mean making the dungeon horny?

The dungeon literally, it's a dungeon that the entire, okay, so the concept of this book is the entirety of Earth gets turned into basically a game show by aliens. Everybody inside of a building or a car gets fucking crushed and absorbed. And everybody outside can either stay on the fucking surface where every building has been destroyed or they can go into these tunnels into a dungeon that has been created for the amusement of alien races. inside of the earth. Is anybody noticing that this is more and more

like a fucking... No, it's like a fucking Brendan's side plot for Paralus. No, that's... I mean, uh, I started reading Dungeon Crawler Carl when I found Lit RPGs back in 2020 because I was going through a lot of them in Isikai. And I will say that I do think some elements of perilous were inspired from it

because I'm re-after rereading it, I was like, damn, there's some stuff in here that I definitely have done for Paralyms. And all this lit RPG talk was brought to you by the CG project founders entangled in shamanic ritual death probe. I still don't know about the details of that since he just joined the call and you're like, hey, do you hear about the shamanic death murder? I don't know what's happening. Welcome to the DMT cast. You guys think that like, okay, would you rather have $1 or $2?

I bet you're having a bonus list on a podcast. Money's not even real. That's like half the conversations I've had well stoned. I'm not going to lie. Yeah, like, okay, so like the concept of money itself, like if we don't have any money, we could just borrow for goods and services. So like, have you ever thought about the shadows?

Okay, dude, but what if we lease it for goods and services instead? You said we're going to bark. What if we Lisa? Well, if there was like a rock that was worth like two hours of work. So like, you could just, instead of having the service directly, you pass like this rock. Dwayne's agent talking to him. I only have to be on set for two hours, right?

Because I got to eat 15 pounds of chicken in five minutes. Oh, dude. Okay, Mr. Fart. Sorry to hear that your dog died. She would have loved Black Adam in theaters now. Can I get five big gibronies for my dog who died in the war? Oh, my God. That's a lie.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Why did you do that to fucking? Billy's house. That's a cumpat, man, dude. Oh, sorry. You just got double dog, dude. This is my awesome new prank show where if you have a dog, I double your dog.

Now you have two dogs. It's a really good game show. It's called double dog. I go to your house. I get an approximation of your dog. I find the dog that looks exactly like yours and I released him in your home. And if you get mad at me, that's it. Quadruple dog.

Fuck you. I add an additional two dogs are added to the equation. Oh my God. I hear them all. I'm adding yet more dogs. Sorry, this is a recursive bit. The dogs are actually infinite. Sometimes I just think about it.

And I'm like, would I ever be able to recognize my dog if I lost? him in a sea of other weiner dogs, will I be able to know which weaner is mine? You mean like that event where they have the 400 golden retrievers or whatever? They just set loose. It's like me at the year or no. I feel like I could because I know, I know my dog's like temperament, but I don't know. Like I could dead ass like, because he just looks like a dog. All dogs kind of look like dogs.

So like if I lost my dog in a sea of other dogs. Are we on DMT? What? Are we talking about DMT? I don't know. I just heard all dogs look like dogs. and I start numbing. He's like, wait.

Oh, my God, you're right. This is a, oh, this is the most joking ass. I'm not going to like. This is such a jogan topic. Billy, Billy, Billy, I have to, okay, and everybody here. Conceptualizing the idea for a game show that'll never take off a sexy game show. Billy said to figure out what Wheeler is mine. I fucking, oh, cockle ganger.

They take a picture of your dick and show you 50 different dicks. One of them is yours. You get a million dollars if you guess which dick is. yours, but they find dicks that look exactly like yours. So they know beforehand. I could never. I feel too much shame when I look down there. Me tattooing my penis before I go on the show. That's illegal.

Sorry, we found 50 tattoo penises with all the same tattoos. No! Why would you get Bard Simpson tattoo on your wiener? That's so strange. Why would you get Calvin pissing tattooed? It's not like that's like a truck or anything. Like what's the... Double piss. Holy fuck. Yeah, I don't think I would ever win that game show. I'm going to be real. I would, I would, I have too much shame. I just really like the name cockle ganger. So like I, cockle. I mean, I'm gonna be real. You said cockle. I thought of cockles like, I thought of cockles, like

how Dr. Robotnick says it in the Sonic show. He's like, it warms the cockles of my heart. Wait, no, he said cockles in my heart. Worms the cockles of your heart. It heckles your cockles. Yeah, that was it. It joncles your jingles. What are cockles? Sorry, I'm Googling. Shellfish. Oh, so it's a double. It works two ways because mollus are good for, uh, are sex. Why? Catch me eating a diet of only pineapple and oysters. I'm going to be so fucked up. Balls are going to be so full. Started this new bit when I go out where I order pineapple and then I get really red in

the face and itchy. That's the joke. Start a new bit where I die. Awesome. I fucking love that for you. Thanks. It isn't popular. Nobody likes that.

I know. It's fine. That's me with strawberries and it break out the hives. Ironic because I'm allergic to bees as well. Why is it that you and I, we have this, we have like similar allergies. geez. And we have way too many. I just like strawberry thing. I like strawberry juice.

I'm not like I get the V8 juice with the strawberries in it. I'm going to drink it. I don't care. And also it's not going to kill me. It's just going to make me fucking fart and break out. Same with pineapple actually. I don't have that. I like joking about the fact that it's going to kill me. Well, is it pineapple spicy to you like it's like spicy to you. It's like spicy and I have it makes my face puffy as fuck. I like to think of it is, uh, I got it from the legacy autism because my grandma loves chocolate, but she's allergic to chocolate, but she will eat it until she breaks out.

in the hives. There's, there's, I mean, I guess there's allergies to everything. I didn't know you could get allergic to cocoa beans. That's really sad. I mean, some you can't, you just develop allergies later in your life, right? Yeah, I mean, pineapple for me was a later thing. Well, if a tick gets you, I'm fucking genuine fear, especially, uh, man. Oh, the beef. Is it the beef one? Yeah, it's the beef one. We're like, I live in a wooded area. The beef one. We're like, paranoid. Oh, from the mosquito bite. Yeah. Yeah. The mosquito bite. And then you can never fucking eat. Yeah. And then you can never eat beef again. That shit scares the. fuck out of me. It's really rare. I think it is it is like super, super rare. But I know like there's

like a celebrity, uh, French Canadian celebrity that had that happen to her while she was just on a hike and now I'm forever horrified. I just, I just don't want it to happen to me. I like beef. I could eat a whole cow, no problem. One big bite. Not even a problem. I could just, I could just chicken it for the rest of my days and be totally fine, I think. Speaking of cows, what do you all think the Minotaur ate like in the labyrinth? Yeah, like he couldn't just be eating guys, right? Probably bugs, right? Nah, he was just eating guys, I reckon.

He threw a lot of guys down there. Well, yeah, but like, okay, what if you, what if you like fucking prep the labyrinth? You get it all set up, you get the Mitterre in there and then like, ah, shit, the labyrinth gets delayed. So like, a week later, you're like, okay, shit, people are finally coming in. They just get your fucking treasure and you're like, oh, shit, Miterard died of starvation. Ooh, you know what? Thinking about it?

Simpson's episode, Lord of the Flies, slime. What the fuck did you just say? What do you mean? Slime? What do you mean? Slime, what? You know the slime, delicious slime. Lisa Simpson be like,

ah, delicious slime. And then they all eat the boar. What are you talking about? The Simpsons episode where they eat the boar. They get stuck on the island. They go on a bus trip. They get stuck in the island. It starts to devolve in the chaos.

Lord of the Fly style, just like the book. Oh, okay. I'm going to be real. I don't remember that episode at all. And the boar is eating the slime because the boar isn't carnivorous. I have a conch. I feel us moving on.

Brennan, what was the connection? Oh, the connections this week? Yeah, I cleared it. Like the New York Times. Good to know. Good to know. This is what people. mean when they say this podcast is impossible to pay attention to get into, dude. Literally,

I don't even like, there, people are like, there are no jokes on this podcast. I don't understand what they're talking about. And like, I'm going to be fucking real, man. There's no inside jokes. I don't fucking get it either. 90% like, now listen, you can, 90% of the things I say have a thread that you can pull. And if you, if you understand, if you know, if you have the knowledge, the intimate awareness, then you, you can. You will pull the thread and you will find the end of the thread. You'll find the juicy little gooseberry there. But sometimes I just like to say things that make people go what instead of make them laugh.

That's a million percent true. Like, yeah, I could wax philosophically about fucking, oh, dude, do you ever think like left sock? Would you jerk off into left sock or right sock, dude? Like, fucking, what if you came to your fucking shorts, dude? Would you live in poop world or poop town? This is Jogun. You're just recreating Jogan. Like, yeah, ask what if scenarios?

Like, what if a little gnome ran into your fucking house and you stepped on it and then his gnome family came up to you and said, you got to fucking pay the Pipeer? You got to marry my fucking daughter. Would you marry the gnome woman? Or would you fucking leave, be exiled from your town because the gnomes are everywhere? Like, uh, there's a lot of things that you can like, seek into the woman the world.

But sometimes I just like to cast a line up there. See if I catch any fish. Pull the thread back. And I got a bit, I got a fucking whopper. Speaking of whopper. There's a new whopper now. True. Do we want to talk about the burger controversy?

to talk about something inane instead of, you know, the ayahuasca trip? The fuck is the burger. CEO is doing something a little bit more in inane. The McDonald's guy who put the smallest fight in the fucking world. Oh my fucking God.

Why is everybody talking about that? I was fucking, dude, I was. I had no clue what you guys were on about. I was at a party. All right. So I was at a party last week. Somebody just randomly like started fucking talking about that.

And I was like, everybody was like, what are you talking about? What are you fucking saying? What are you talking about with this fucking McDonald's? shit. This is the most Reddit internet thing ever. That's pretty funny. As an American, let me explain this to you. So there's a burger, right? Okay. And

that's yes. That's it. I just like to explain things like a hamburger. Video games are a lot like burgers. A moment when hamburger. No, it is weird to hear someone call their food a product like that. It makes it sound like he can't call it food for legal reasons. Wasn't he like, okay, so from my understanding, this McDonald's guy, right? The McDonald's guy never had a Big Mac or

It's the CEO. He's introducing The New Burger. Yes. Is the CEO? Yes. Are you fucking? Oh, the, the, okay.

Yes. It's the CEO. He's never had a McDonald in his life. Okay, this is a video. No, don't let him see it. Let's just describe it. Okay. Yeah, it's also a podcast.

It's an audio podcast. Like, let's describe this before. That really is on YouTube that you can. All right, whatever. No, you know what? You're right. I'm not. the video in.

You will fucking mix and master the entire fucking episode but won't add a clip. I will take like days to edit. I will mix. I will master. I'll make sure that it sounds absolutely amazing so that when my dear friend Mandy and Brendan start describing this fucking McDonald's burger video, I will under, everybody will understand it in the most beautiful way possible.

Take it away. Yeah. Take it away. The CEO of McDonald's is sitting there. Picture him. He's saying in a room. He's like, wow, this is the new, the new, whatever the fuck. It's the new burger for McDonald's.

And he's sitting there and he's kind of thumbing it over in this box. He's like, wow, this is so distinctly McDonald's as he's looking at it. And he goes, I just, I love this product. I love this product. And he keeps calling it the product. He's kind of like shuffling it around. He goes, okay, diving in. And then he takes like the Squidward Craby Petty bite out of it.

He takes the smallest little bite possible. and then it hard cuts like the second he takes the tiny bite but he's like wow this is that is so good and like there's some fries moved around the table there's something happened between the cuts like he might have immediately spit it out someone might have eaten some fries or moved

props around but you can tell he really really doesn't seem like he wants to eat the burger and he's not calling it a burger he keeps calling it a product he's not talking about like it's food he's talking about like it's a chemical and it might be I mean that's extremely funny I've seen a lot of companies

like called their food a product. But who does that when you're like, like, wow, this product is delicious? It's C-suite guys. They're all talking about shit like it's products or consumption. Right, so don't have them demo the burger. That's what I mean. I'm always so confused when fucking companies get their CEOs.

And they're always the most uncharismatic person you've ever fucking met in your life to like promo their new product. Like you have a marketing fucking department that has got like a hundred people, Hundreds of people employed. Get Chris Prad, dude. Get Chris Pratt. Exactly. He's so funny.

Go get the rock to be like, I love burger. Yeah. You don't look like me, eat burger. Reason I brought it up and thought that I had. Yes. C-suite executives have discovered rage bait. No, no,

no shot. No, I think that might be real, dude. I have a feeling. I think they've fully discovered rage bait. That is not good publicity as any publicity. It is good publicity, though. We're talking about it. We're talking about it right now.

Exactly. Are we eating it? Is anyone here eating it? Yeah, I'm not like, I'm like, I'm like, yeah, then we go get that fucking burger that I'm not getting it. Product and fucking spat out. Yeah, that sounds awesome. The guy who spit out.

I don't want to get that. I have, I have, I have, I have looked into the mind of the C-Suit executive. I have seen into the vacuous void and I can feel the brand synergy and brand energy only matters as long as the name McDonald's is in somebody's mouth. So, okay, okay, okay, wait, wait, wait, Brin. And so you think off camera there's a fucking PI person where the CEO goes, I love this burger. He's like, cut, cut, cut.

Product. You have to say product. Absolutely. They're manufacturing the rage bait. Smaller bite, smaller. Can I just eat the food? No. I've seen videos of like the Taco Bell test kitchen where the entire time they're making

like these fucking like psycho fucking taco creations. They're just saying product instead of. Oh, dude, like the fucking new one from the live moss live. Oh, God. Oh, yeah. I can forget Live Moss Live. Sauce packets that are edible. They're making fucking sauce packet hot pockets.

Are they? What the fuck? Yeah, the thing is, the entire time, they call it a product in their product line. They never call it food because that's what they see it as. But those live most live live. It thinks more of a trade show too. Calling live, live moss, whoa, live moss my, live. my...

Live my... Dude, live mass... I'm actually not trying. What the fuck? Live my... Live my... Live mass my... Live...

Live moss live. I... I freaking... I can say... It's what about us now because I don't work there anymore, but my biggest forget about where I can't talk about

for like three plus years is I never got invited to live mass live. Like I... I won an award for like being the best store manager in the country and they didn't even fucking do anything. They gave me like a shitty little fucking

trophy and didn't and then my boss invited, not even like a watch. My boss invited me to go gamble with him. And I'm like, I don't want to fucking do this, bro. Like, wait, invited you to gamble. Did you have like gambling funds they gave you? Yeah, man. Did, were they like

Oh my God. Dude, our fucking, we had like a, we had like a year, like a one and two year like big manager's conference thing where originally they wanted to put us up in, like the same hotel rooms so we like fucking sheer rooms. And then the dinner, the big dinner after like two days of fucking workshops

was at a casino fucking buffet. And we're just really shitty food. And afterwards like I'm leaving. I'm gonna go back to the hotel and the guy's like hey man you want to like go go play some games, go get some drinks with me and I'm like, uh, I think I'm okay man. I'm on a

I'm on a Taco Bell manager budget bro. Exactly. I'm actually amazed how tone deaf that is like, oh yo, let's put my fucking Taco Bell manager on a fucking bitch as if they don't know how much they pay you. They're like, oh yeah, let's really, he can gamble. That's fucking insane. That's so fucking stupid. Yeah, no, no like that's go overseas to fucking go to America and do live mass live live live or some shit like that. here's how fucking boxes fit in goddamn trucks.

Like, oh yeah, I'm really stupid. I don't know how, like, spatial fucking shit works. Yeah, I've never played Tetris in my fucking life. No, literally, they got out at this fucking manager's conference, toy trucks with box, like, little, like, wooden boxes on the back, got us into groups and we're like, okay, guys, now try and fit all of the boxes into the back of the truck. And then they're like, and, like, some of them were, like, connected so they'd be, like,

empty space and like, okay, guys, so you see that empty space. You guys are actually paying for the empty space. So you want to make sure that you load up the truck if you're ordering stuff. It's like, or don't order stuff. I'm like, this is the dumbest thing that doesn't understand the actual operational needs of a restaurant and just views it only from a logistical perspective of how much we're charging for fucking delivery fees. It was just like the dumbest thing.

But every other manager was like, yeah, let me like really get into this because this will actually get me my promotion. It's like you idiots, you're going to stay in this role for the risk of your life. I'm sorry. This is so sad. Have you ever done a job interview where they have like the team building exercise or something that's just insane and that's nothing to do with it? Oh my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, at David's tea when I, I don't, I don't even know if David's tea still exists anymore, but David's tea was a huge, huge like tea bulk supplier thing for a little while. I don't know if they still exist, but they made us play werewolf. What the fuck? The internet. So the, this This is so insane.

The interview to get the job was to play werewolf. What? That's crazy. Why? Because they were like, how good are you at lying and picking out lies? Yes, that's exactly what it was. It was like, the way the lady said it was like, oh yeah, because the only way that we can see your true cell. She probably describe what werewolf is, actually.

A lot of people might not know wherewolf. People know what werewolf is. It's mafia. Warwolf mafia. Furry among us. It's just among us. It's just among us. No, fuck it. Just say that.

But, like, faster, right? Like, it's just a lot fast, Dustin. Yeah, it's way faster because you're not playing a video game with animations. You're just talking. But the way she was saying it was like, oh, yeah, because the only way to see your true selves is when you're in a pressure situation, like, playing a fucking board game. And it's like, are you fucking serious, dude? If you're going to flip burgers at Wendy's, you must see your true soul. I remember my partner, like, which was applying for jobs, like, one was at a bookshop.

and they got, they got, it was like a group interview, which are like the worst fucking interviews of all time. Oh, and they got them.

If you get a group interview, just leak, you're not getting that job. So they got them all of the groups. And then they're like, okay, guys, now you're on a desert island. So what are like the three things

that you guys would bring and would need? And what's the first things you would do? Now go. And then, like, you've got to present your fucking options. It's just like,

what has this got to do with being like, where is, uh, where is, uh, fucking this, all the smut? Like,

you know, like, where's the... You point me towards the nearest peanuts. I did a group interview when I worked at GameStop, and I got the job because I was the only person who didn't talk about video games for multiple minutes. I just said, I like people, and I like getting people what they need. Look at you.

Smart. Fair. I know how to Ace interviews. It's the, I'm a very person-focused person. I like to team build. I like to talk. I like to train. I like to learn.

That is the traffic game stop, though, right? People being like, I'm the gamer. Oh, yeah. You never, rarely. And every coworker I ever had when I worked there who got the job because they were like, I'm a gamer and they couldn't hire anybody else was always the fucking worst. So it's always the people focused. I like helping people. I like, and honestly, 40 years of that job, I would rather be put in the misery pit.

It made me a much worse person. But on team building, I loved whenever they did a team building thing at Best Buy when I worked there because it would always be after hours and I would be like, I'm going to go home. Oh, you don't want to stay in like team build, play some video games, ordering pizza. Nope. We're going to lock in for the store for an hour. It's unpaid. Yep. Is it mandatory?

No, I'm going to leave. Oh my God. That's the fucking thing that people don't get, man. If it's unpaid, you're not doing it for a promotion. Grow up. They did not want to be around my coworkers in retail for longer than I absolutely had to, except for maybe a few of them. And even then, I would rather just talk to them online or hang out with them outside

of work. Oh, dude, I never wanted to hang out with my managers back when I had those types of jobs, dude because they would make me they would force me to play league of legends and then tell me about how they would survive the zombie apocalypse and i'm like okay wow i i i see the person immediately it's so real though they'd be like pretty sure they do that at guantanamo actually you do you know how they're always like oh yeah they they would play fucking brinkney spear toxic to the fucking prisoners and they would go crazy it's like dude no actually get them get them to fucking talk to a reddeter about how they would survive the apocalypse.

Yeah, that's what they're using the fucking NSA spyware for us. They directly like link you to the fucking League of Legends voice com so you can hear what everybody's saying in the fucking game. Oh, you shit, dude. Actual torture. Have I done the breakdown of my old GameStop managers because they were all interesting in different ways? I don't think so.

I don't think so. My first manager at GameStop, really nice guy, really friendly fella. But then he kept wanting to invite me over to his home for D&D that he played with all the other managers? Weird. The other two managers of the game stops in my town also became my managers at one point. So the first one, I went to his house,

gigantic mega fuck spent all of his fucking money, all of it, every bit of money on physical, like, no, no, a physical, gigantic mega fuck D&D landscape. He had custom pieces that he could Lego in to a gigantic

fucking board with a TV built into the inside. What? Oh, that's sick. So he could even change the fucking terrain. And I'm pretty sure his spending on D&D stuff is why he got to do that. Yeah, that would check out. The second manager was the mall manager.

Obsessed with the Hulk to a ridiculous degree, had a pair of Hulk hands on hand at all times, once painted himself green. You're selling me on him. Cool guy. Is this the reason why you constantly recently have been saying, what if he was green? What if he was blue?

No, I just like saying that. I have a feeling it's subconscious. I think that's more of a Dan Henshal mindworm is the, what if the Joker was green and yellow? True. He used to keep a copy of Battletoads in a case at the mall store when GameStop is getting all the prank calls. So that he could answer the prank calls and just say, oh yeah, we got it. It was in a little case that said breaking glass of emergency prank call. I'm not going to lie, though.

That's kind of, that's pretty good. I liked him. I liked him. My last manager, who I had for a couple of years, liked him a lot. A very interesting fellow would give me rights home. we talk, loved Spider-Man, like obsessed about Spider-Man. He, like, runs a comic book store here in town, and he's, he would let me get away with a lot of shit.

But the one time I went to his house, I had to find out that his wife is Jehovah's Witness, and she makes him keep all of his Spider-Man stuff locked up in one room of their house. So they have one room of their house that is like this mega-fuck boxes and boxes of just Spider-Man stuff, like an incredible fucking amount of it. And then just nothing else. like the house just like an old person house throughout the rest of it. And so it's like haunting as you're like going through the house.

When you say locked up, do you mean like proper locked up? Like proper locked up like you have to keep your shit in the Spider-Man room. I mean, for Jehovah's Witness, I'm amazed that's in the house at all. Well, he had to fight to keep his PS4 out in the living room because he just said it was a DVD player because I don't think that she like fully got that it was a games console. How would that work? Yeah. How can you live like that?

That's so sad. I don't know. I remember he went to the GameStop Managers conference, because we were talking about managers conferences as well. This reminded me. He went to the GameStop Managers conference, and he texted me a picture of himself, sitting alone on a hotel bed dressed in a full Spider-Man out,

like full Spider-Man cosplay. Holy shit. I wish I still had that picture because it was, it was this big hotel room and he was all alone. I was just like, this is such a sad Spider-Man. That gives us a sad Spider-Man. I don't know how to describe it other than this. it gives the same vibe.

And this is so specific. Nobody else will get this, but like gay Twitter and blue sky. I won't get this. You're right. There is a weird obsession with Spider-Man. And like there are so many pictures of dudes like just dress as Spider-Man and really uncomfortable like rooms. It's like the back rooms, but gay Spider-Man.

I don't know. I feel insane for saying this, but I guarantee you there has to be, there's going to be comments of people being. like this is real gay there's like a thing with gay people in spider man and liminal rooms it is an actual weird thing

what they're trying to like a weird room I don't understand like oh what's the it's just dudes gay dudes that are like yo spider man is hot

I'll dress as Spider Man and show off but they do it like a weird room but then they take it they always take these pictures in like weird liminal rooms. Are they like doing like a 60 pose or something? Or like, you know. Sometimes or sometimes they're just like shirtless with a fucking Spider-Man hood.

Why, if you're shirtless, then you're not Spider-Man. That's what you're like, come on. He was shirtless in the movie. It got tattered a few times. Yeah, like I don't-tatter. Yeah. But like, I don't know. If I go on blue sky, on gay blue sky right now and I type in Spider-Man,

I'm going to see some shit. It's going to be actual backrooms gay Spider-Man. I believe that. You just mean blue sky. Am I right, fellas? Dude, I'm like starting to imagine, like, dude, what if I just said all that? I just said, oh, yeah, people will back me up on this. And then everybody's like, the fuck are you talking about you fucking psycho?

What are you saying? What weird Spider-Man finish are you in terms? Web slinging, huh? Well, yeah, we're kind of into that as well. Okay, actually, it's kind of starting to make sense to me now. People see the fucking backwards, the backwards kiss, the upside down kiss, and then they're changed for life. It's like, uh... I get that.

It's just the back room thing I'm struggling with. It's just because they live there, I guess. It's because the almond water looks like cum. That's a hyper-specific reference to... Yeah, nobody got that, man. I see him. It's like the silence of hearing, oh, that's a reference, actually. Nobody got that one.

Well, guys, in certain circles, that joke fucking slaps, bro. Yeah, dude, if you followed, like, the backrooms wiki where, like, there's only almond water in the backrooms, you'd understand this. Man, that movie's going to come out and if we're going to see it in theaters. Just like Iron Lung. I haven't seen Iron Lung yet. They're making it, wait, what? Ackrooms, fucking... A24.

Yeah, they're making a backrooms movie. Oh. A24. It's with the guy who does all, like, the backrooms animations where they walk around the little, like, lab suits, and they're like... Well, it's the creator. Well, not of the backrooms. It's just a guy who... No, but it's the creator of the miniseries.

really, really, really famous. Where it's like, we're walking around the back rooms. What if we saw something fucked up? Okay, what if we walk around and see a chair spinning like in scary movie three? He was like,

he was like 16 when he created those and now he's 20. I think he might be like one of the youngest directors. I can't remember, but it was like one of the youngest directors to get that amount of money for a feature length film. So the backroom's movie will be the Aragon of movies.

Aren't we lucky? What is, what is y'all's peak liminal space if we're, if we're thinking about it? peak liminal space. Yeah, like, like comfy liminal space. Not like fucking like, oh, dude, what if they fucking put me in, I don't know, Marathon Durandale and then they fucking, I don't want that at all. Exactly. Yeah, I know exactly. I really, really like the, um, the water slide ones, you know.

Oh, like the pool rooms mixed with like the wacky water slides. That's so comfy. I, that's kind of nice. I like, I just want to hang out in the water for a little bit. Maybe you see a big smiley face. Wasn't that part of that? Yeah. I swear that was a thing. Yeah. Well, it's, It's the pool rooms. It depends on if you do like entities and stuff. If it has like pool floaties and balls and stuff. I was thinking of Shane Dawson's Smiley. I'm on a different wavelength.

Oh, God. Oh, God. Smiley. I've been trying, dude, I've been trying to prank you guys with Smiley for the long as fucking time. I watched it recently while editing. Yeah, it's got Keith David. Isn't he tired in it? What was the fucking thing that you can't write on the message board or else they get you?

I did it for the lulls. I did it for the lulls. I did it for the lulls. Shane Dawson goes to a party where everybody tells them pito bear. That's right. I forgot about that. That was his nickname. Oh, Shane Dossett. You're such a pito bear. And he's like, no, I'm not.

Yeah, he's the, he's the shy boy who posts on 4chan B. That's right. I read, right. Yeah, it was the, it was the B party. Oh, God, it's all coming back now. What a fucking insane movie. Oh, God. Cameron, this is a, this is a YouTuber horror movie. Yeah, no, I know of Smiley.

I just, I've never watched it and don't know anything about it. It is actually very funny because it's so bad. Is it, but like, with the Peter Bayer stuff, is that like, is that like when Woody Allen writes himself into his movies to be, like, dating a 12 year old? Shane Dawson did not, okay. Shane Dawson did not write that movie. Shane Dawson is just an actor for, he's not even a, he's not even a major actor, too. He's not the main protagonist at all. He's like a secondary character.

It seems like something he'd write, though, because he makes himself like the shy boy where he's like, oh, no, I don't know. I just, I like being edgy, but I'm really, I'm really shy. That's how people saw, what people saw him as back then, I think. Oh, Toby, Toby. Turner was this movie. Oh, yeah. He's at the party. It's a fucking oddity.

Watching that movie is fucking, it's an oddity. That's why I kind of want to watch it for pondering because it is like actually interesting. Because first off, it's so bad it's funny. But also like it's interesting as a time capsule. Because what the fuck. Genuine oddity. Just so strange. The fact that it exists is crazy.

I will watch Smiley if we can also watch Star Kid. I am down for Star Kid. I have a history with Star Kid Burger When he eats the fucking Burger ball When he eats the burger sludge Star Kid

1997? It's the kid Would fuck with Star Kid It's so hard Oh my God Star Kid It's the kid from Jurassic Park Yeah it's the movie

That fucking brings you back To childhood As a millennial Or like late Gen Z Where you're just like I fucking saw this thing Why did everyone see fucking Star Kid?

What the fuck? It played on YTV sometime I'm pretty sure Because this is 97 This looks like it would give me fucking nightmares if I had one other a kid. It does. It does give nightmares. You know what they say? If the cyber

suit fits, go kick some alien butt. You know how Iron Man is like, what a cool suit? What if the suit was alive and you ordered McDonald's? And it chewed it up for you and spat it into a blunder and then it shoved a steaming ball of it into your mouth. Thank you, Javis.

That all happened. I love from the producer of Free Willy. The French version is called Teo Mon Amir Reboe, which means Tio my friend, my robot friend. What?

I guess they call him Tio. Why? Dude, the fucking picture, the picture they use of the kids smiling is really awful. It's a really foul movie, like just all across the board. It looks fake. Yeah, I've been on a bad sci-by-kick.

That and evolution have been on my mind, so I watched Star Kid following, like I watched Star Kid and then evolution. always talking about fucking evolution. I know I rewatched it because I love David DeCovine. They had a lot writing on evolution. Like, we'll do Ghostbusters, but aliens. It wasn't quite there.

Dan Aykroyd shows up. He's like, I'm Dan Aykroyd. Unfortunately, we're going to have to do another, another movie first because I just got, I just bought the, after promising to do the, be, be, blah, blah, bit, not big soldiers, small soldiers. After talking about small soldiers for so long. They made it to Corrigan. They made it to Gorgon.

Gorgon's a real place. The writer. It was just like a week ago. Hello? Can you go get the package? The package? Can you bring me the package? Oh my God.

Philly's house is Gorgon. There's a package outside. Can you get the package? Oh my God. Gorgans in Quebec. Oh my God. The Gorgonites are Kippeco. Because I keep,

I kept promising if they ever put out a 4K of small soldiers, we'll do an episode on it. Give me a sec. Are they actually doing that? They just released it. Oh. I thought the press conference on Gorgon came out of nowhere. I thought like they just had to announce that.

It's because they just, they literally just released the 4K for small soldiers. And I think that's why they kept talking. The conference on Gorgon Heights. What did you just say? Yeah. I said the writer, the C-suite Joe Dante conference on small soldier.

I saw the writer announced it, but I didn't see a thing about a Blu-ray. So I just assumed they had a press conference to be like, it's time to say what happened to Gorgon. I am Archer. Chip Hazard was on the island. Oh my god. Does he say that?

It's finally happening. People of the world rejoice. We're finally going to talk about small soldiers. I say as if we don't talk about small soldiers every single fucking day. You don't know how expensive this 4K was? Holy fuck. It was like 50 bucks. Small soldiers.

Small soldiers, big price. What were you talking about? Indian in a cupboard? I wish was any in the cupboard said Star Kid. Taking all of my toy guns and putting them in the cupboard, then they'll see. they'll all see. I was obsessed with the Flintstones movie as a kid. One of my friends,

uh, girlfriends broke up with him in my house while Star Kid was playing. I thought you were going to say the Flintstones movie, Feevelds. Just thinking, Yeah, Bhabit, do.

Actually, I have something to tell you, John. I yabababit don't. I yabod, I just yabba, dab a don't want this. The Flintstones wedding is just too much.

Dude, how fucking insane was it that that, that movie had fucking Kyle McLaughlin, Lockland and Hallie Berry just like Not insane, but that's because Kyle McLaughlin He was he everywhere? He was probably everywhere back. No, I think in the Flintstones he was in his fall off arc Because you got to remember that he was very much a like a Lynch collaborator.

He did have one of one of those moments of just like falling out. Well, because I think years have a year or two after when was the Flintstone movie? 99, 2000. It says initial release date 2019. So I don't know. Oh, 94. 94, okay. No, so we're about 10 years before the fall off because, like, I often think about his, he was in, he was the villain in the librarian quest for the spear. Oh my God. Yeah, he was. Yeah. And those are like three really bad like Indiana Jones knockoff movies that led to like a six season TV show with a bunch of the people from like leverage in it about like getting magical awesome artifacts. Speaking of magical awesome artifacts. Patreon questions. I thought you're going to say, what if you had the rod of dissolution? What would you use it on and who would you use it on? What is the rut of disillusion.

It's where you used it on somebody and they become dissolution with the world around them. What happens if you use that on someone who's already disillusioned with the world around them? Negative and negative makes it positive. Don't you know math, idiot?

Oh, so I love everything now. Yeah, magic is multiplicative, dumbass. Oh, I didn't fucking know that, you fuck. I wouldn't go to magic math. Yeah, well, maybe you read more Isaac Asimov, the foundation. Magic is math. That's not

what Asmuth. Yeah, I went on your good reads and I commented bad reads actually. You fucking owned you. Shit. that foundation shows nothing to do with the book oh you've seen it manny oh my god it's like it's a fine sci-fi thing

has fucking nothing to do with the book I don't even think it's a fine sci-fi thing it completely misunderstands the entire fucking point of the entire of the book series where well that's what I mean if you just take it as oh this is a standalone sci-fi thing it's okay if you see it as actual foundation

it's fucking insane yeah because like the whole books are about how like they're a giant like their trends right in in societies and how they build and but goes what if it was actually just the one person who was super important what do you mean nothing to do it the whole point at the end of the book was like oh i guess if we did if we just didn't do any of this this was going to happen anyway and then they go actually you're so special you needed to be kept in a cryo chamber for fucking a hundred years you could come to the future and be the fucking impetus for everything happening

Fuck off! Anyway, sorry. I get so mad about that show. Foundation show's fucking insane. It's crazy. No, when I first saw, I was like... What if we had the emperor that was the same for every fucking year? What?

It's so fucking funny. Alien Earth is still a peak of those shows, though. Oh, yeah. Alien Earth is the most fucking... It is the most genuine adaptation I've ever seen in my life. That's the new alien show, right? People are saying it's kind of bad shit. It is.

It is. It's based off the books. Brendan and I keep bringing up. What? It's an S. D. Perry fucking... Oh, not S. D. Perry. Because S. D. Perry were a labyrinth. No, Alien Earth is not S. D. Perry.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, okay, so Bally's gonna blow your mind. S. D. Perry's dad. No, I knew that. Oh, Mandy. Did I tell you that we found out that S.D. Perry is a fucking like Nepo Baby, but specifically

for... These types of fucking books. No, what the fuck? What do you mean? Yeah. Yeah. Because S.E. Perry's dad, Steve Perry, wrote Earth Hive. Yeah. Wait. Yeah.

Dad wrote a bunch of Star Trek alien, fucking, just anything you can think of. No, no, Steve Perry's literary career is he wrote a really cool sci-fi series in the 80s, but his, uh, his, his, his, oh my God, his fucking, he wrote the Titan A.E novelization, the men and black novelization. There was a Titan A.E. novelization? Yes.

You can only find these through fucking looking. And then his dad, her dad also wrote a bunch of the Tom Clancy's fucking net force books. I feel fucking dizzy. Do you understand that the Perry family is wrapped around our lives in a mysterious way? No, it's really funny how Brendan and I like went down the rabbit hole. But this explains so much of why like, how is it funny in this alien book? How isn't it funny one that? And it's like all this connected.

Oh God, it's like an MCU of sludge. It's just an MCU of nonsense. It is. This makes so much sense. That's their tech team. I didn't realize it was like a racket for them. I just assumed that like, oh wow, there's a, Sure, Lovie's really bad.

Anyway, Patreon questions. Welcome to the podcast. Speaking of poor writing, Patreon questions, if you're part of the $5 and above tiers, you get to ask a question. Good for you. This one comes from Anomily. So seven years ago, we did an episode where we talked about

how we wanted to revisit this question when we were all 30 years old. Oh. And now that most of us are 30. Whoa, speak for yourself. I got years. Minus camera. You're like two years. Three, three, three, bro. I'm 27. Fuck you. I'm young, I'm young, I'm young. My bad. My bad. So in high school, where did we see ourselves being at this point in our lives and how different have things turned out compared to that? Oh, Jesus. And are we happy to be here? Honestly, I'm pretty happy where I'm at. It's not too bad. I like doing, I like doing YouTube. I definitely didn't think I would be here, though. I thought I was going to be, dude, in high school, I thought I was going to be a fucking DJ or something. So I thought I was going to be like a freaking music, music production whiz that does fucking DJ touring and stuff.

Oh, dude, I actually thought that for a while as well. But not in high school, but like in, like, middle school intermediate. I don't know what you guys call it. Yeah. I was like, I freaking, I got like a MIDI keyboard and I was like, I'm going to be the next David Gitter. I feel like I remember this question, and I think I answered it the same way I would answer it now with a little bit of a twist, which is in high school I thought I'd be dead by 30. I didn't think I'd be alive. I didn't think I'd like make it that far. And that's partially like due to kind of me being, you know, naturally pessimistic, predisposed to pessimism. But I would say if I could do anything else, I wouldn't. I would like it to be a little less miserable from like 18 to 32.

Like I were, you know, there are some things where it's just like, damn, I wish some nice. nightmares didn't happen in my life. I think everybody goes through like some fucking some shit. You're going to go through some shit. Unless you're like, you know, walking through this world is like a homunculus of vanilla bean paste. You're probably going to go through some shit. Unless you're a fucking gabillionaire and you can just go to a fucking conference about I don't fucking know. Live Moss. It's an interesting question. And I think if I, I think if I met my high school self, I beat the shit out of him. Just punch him and kick him and

punch him and kick him over and over again and then get him medicated because that would be the first thing on my mind that I definitely regret as like 30 is I didn't think my life would get this way but damn do I wish that I'd gotten medicated earlier because it would be a lot fucking better if I had curse you ADHD. I wish I could think good. I feel like I didn't really have a sense of where I wanted my life to go in high school. Like maybe got like as I was leaving high school, I wanted to, you know, get into the film industry. Oh, Peter. Which, like, you know, like, once I got out of high school, I did, like, a year of

polytech of, like, film and television, and then I did some reading on the New Zealand film industry and the issues with it, which, by the way, anyone who's interested, Lindsay Ellis has a really good two-part video on The Hobbit, which goes into the problems that we have in New Zealand. It's a little bit about The Hobbit and a lot of bit about the movie industry. I realized that if I wanted to go into that industry and like, you know, do be a director, whatever, I would have to, A, this is the best route, know someone who's already in the industry and has connections and, like, would be able to give me money. Or, or B, basically, you know, work in one of the most unstable industries in the country with no actual job. job security and no guarantees of getting any work whatsoever and also being paid way under

what the, you know, average rate is for that whatever position in that industry is globally. Or see, move overseas with like a, you know, do the fucking like go to Hollywood with like a hope and a dream bullshit. But then I really did not want to live in L.A. because I know what L.A. is like. So I was like, well, I'm just got to, I guess I'll just go work in restaurants and figure out the rest of my fucking life from there and do weird YouTube shit sometimes. But yeah, no, I definitely didn't see myself where I am now. But like, again, it's kind of one of those things where it's like, like, looking retrospectively, it's like, would I be the same person I am now and have the

perspectives that I do if I didn't have to go through different levels of hardship or, you know, different conditions that I, that I am in. Like, I like where my life is right now. And I like that, like I feel like I have something that I'm working towards. And so it's in retrospect, like, oh, do I wish that I didn't spend fucking five years of my life grinding hospitality work? Yeah, probably. That shit sucked. Yeah. But like, at the same time, I think it's a, like, I've developed the perspectives that I have now.

And I am in the position that I am now because I had those experiences. And I think a lot of it keeps me at least, you know, somewhat grounded to the realities that most. people have to experience. Dude, I don't think I would be a normal human if I didn't go through fucking working at McDonald's through a fucking middle school all the way up to like start of college. Because holy fuck, that really, that really puts you. I don't know, that puts some perspective on some shit. I'm not going to lie. It's like I wouldn't wish. I wouldn't wish us on my worst enemies, but also I think everyone should have at least somewhat an understanding of what that experience is like. Dude, you need to be humbled so hard. You need a,

a little bit of humbling. Yeah. Because yeah, like I, I have some family members that I've never gone through like any of that type of work in their life. They just kind of went through college, everything, got a super nice paying job. And those fucking people are, they're not people. Different planet. I don't even know how to describe it. It's on a different planet. I never got the sauce. Just it's just a different planet. Never got, never got to sauce a burger in their life. I mean, I was a mix of Brendan of I wasn't quite sure I'd make it to 30, but also I guess the not really grind set stuff. But I remember because, you know, working with horses for a while and then trying to do like, okay, like try to get through school and also do retail on the side to do stuff. And I remember at one point because I was also, I think either a semester or a year behind most people I was in high school with who even, you know, got into college in the first place.

And I was working at Lowe's then. and I'd made it up to a flooring specialist, which is still like... What is a flooring specialist? What does that even mean? It means that you help people install or order floor, like vinyl, tile. Oh, yeah, flooring. I'm so fucking stupid. I didn't realize Lowe's is...

I don't know what Lowe's is. I just realized, like, as I said that, I realized like, what the fuck is Lowe's? It's a Home Depot thing, isn't it? But yeah, basically. But the thing is there's also... Okay. There is also like a Lowe's grocery, which I think it could be separate. That's what I was thinking.

That's why I got confused. Yes. There's also a grocery division, I guess. I don't know if it's still like that. Okay. That's so confusing. Yeah. But so I made it up and I remember being pretty happy that I was like, oh, you know,

we're in the seasons. You know, sometimes I mean like cutting up Christmas trees for customers. Like, it just smelled like pine when I come to class. Like, that's fine. And there was this one time, oh, the worst shit was unloading a truck. Like if they said, oh, you know, we're too long guard. was always short. So go, oh, we need to unload hay or unload this stuff.

And the truck would always be nuclear hot in the summers. And at one point, we got like this packaged. It was some sort of manure. Oh, God, I don't know what it was. But it was, I'm not a stranger to shit like dealing with horses. Like, yeah, sometimes you have to shovel shit. Yeah. But for some reason, this was parked near around like the front, the front of the store.

And they're like, oh, you know, we need you to help long garden short. Like they got this load in. And it was disgusting. thing smelling. I don't know what animal it came from, but it was horrendous. And I could still remember this so clearly, because I think it was near, um, I think it was near like an Easter weekend or something because there were like, I remember there was so much foot traffic coming in and out. And it was and I was the only one like solo because everyone was so tight on this. I had to be unloading this truck. And so I was literally putting on a palette. I was pulling out some sort of animal shit.

Smelled horrible. People were kind of giving me looks because it smelled horrible. There shouldn't have been near the front of the store. And I was thinking like, man, I am so fucking behind like most of my class. And I wasn't, I was like a year. I wasn't that far behind. It's like, man, I feel so behind from my peers. I'm out here. I'm out here moving shit. Dude, when you're when you're like actual shoveling shit, I feel like there. Yeah. No, everybody in that position would have a moment of just like, oh my God. Yeah, it's hot. It's shoveling shit, man. Yeah, and I'm really, really hoping. I don't see anyone who knows me. Dude, there is nothing worse than fucking. I remember when I worked at McDonald's. There was like a fucking, some of the people in my fucking middle

school class were hanging out at the mall and it was a McDonald's in the mall. And they fucking saw me and they would not stop laughing at me while I was like, yeah, working. Like just doing my job. And I was like, dude, holy fuck, it's humbling. Dude, it's so devastating. Yeah, and it was like, fuck, and I was like, man, this is like, this has gone so wrong, but it wasn't even like, I wasn't even in that bad of a position really.

It's like, I'm still working like through school. This is like something I'm having to do. But it wasn't that bad. It was more like I kept comparing myself to like how other people I knew were doing. Where it's like, oh, fuck, like how do I, like how do,

what's gone wrong? How did this happen? It's like, no, like it was fine. But I felt so miserable after that day. I was like, man, I just don't know. how I did this. And then it was to this point of like, well, what can I take for work?

Which I had like offers through, um, later on, I eventually got offers to like internships and stuff I could have been doing, which some of those came down to like, it wouldn't have been, it wouldn't have been good work to take up, as all I'll say. Yeah. For my, uh, for what the job would entail. It was like a fuck, this will pay me money, but how will I sleep at night kind of thing? And so it was a lot of like, how much, how much do I compromise to, kind of make it and do stuff.

And it was, it was fucking difficult. And so when I was like, what does 30 look like? I just couldn't think that far ahead. It was mainly like what will the, I was thinking too short term. I never had like this, this grand plan of how things will look. It was just sort of, oh, compromise down, you know, I can't wait until this, this weekend, just try and settle down. But like, I kind of saved up for the long term, but just did not, I didn't really plan for

what it would look like. And now that I'm here, it's like I never could have fucking imagined how things would turn. Same. The only reason why I started doing PST full time was because I was, dude, I did like, it felt like a movie when I did that, but I was in an, I was at an interview for, it was call center for an ISP. Oh. During the interview for the ISP, we had to take a break mid interview. And I just like, she was just like, oh, you can go get a drink.

go get a drink I'll be right back something happened and I really need to take care of this so I was like okay I went to the water fountain I looked at my phone and I looked at PSD was doing like started doing pretty good and I was just thinking in my head like oh my god if I take this job I'm probably going to have to quit PSD so I just like I went back into the interview room

I told her I don't want this job and I left Oh shit and I and then that's that's when I decided to do PST full time. I mean, that was a hell of a gamble, too. The worst part is that was the same. It was, it was a huge gamble. But I, the moment I quit, I also got lucky enough that like a few days later, I got a job at a music post-production box. So I was making music for fucking, dude, I was just making music assets for random shit at that point, which was an awful job, but it was part-time so I could do PST on the side. Yeah. I mean, I guess that was at too, as I always had weird side hustles.

And that's also like that's another thing where you're like there's no fucking way to ever know or plan anything because you don't know what jobs there are out there. You're kind of you're kind of fucked. Yeah. It's just love. I mean, one of my stints between retail, there was a month I did put I did canvassing, which is like the call center. Oh, damn.

I think it was two months. It's like a call center, but way worse. Because when I got there, they said they were for a, um, they were for a survey company. They said, yeah, you know, we're going to basically do a calls. Oh, man. They said it was, oh, to do, um, like political surveying. And this is when I learned

you should never ever trust a political poll basically. Because they said, oh, this would be like a non-baritan, it'll be a bipartisan poll. And then I get the script. And this shows how far back this was too.

The script is all about, tell me why you like Mitt Romney and his policies and why you will or not be voting for him. Oh, man. Yeah, yeah. And the thing is, I could not deviate from the script. It was just like a fill in the blank,

but a human fill in the blank. So like, if you've gotten call centers or people get mad at you or start screaming at you when you do the and this was in like this was why it was a temporary gig because it's like it's in the run up to the election like hey you could do this phone's like if i'm driving back from work or if i'm like at home like i could do this things i just read the script and then like the machine that's some system of the machine that would record the answers and so it was just like it's actually insane how much they dude those are like call center job space so fucking well that that that's the reason why was at that interview back then

And it was like almost $4 more than working minimum wage at the time, which was, which like when you have nothing else going on, that's insane. Like four more dollars in McDonald, holy fuck. Yeah, call centers felt like a luxury compared to anything else I was working at. Exactly. It's so weird. It's like the most soul crushing job too. It's like, oh. Yeah.

Yeah, call center's going to be awful. Yeah, it was a weird. trade off because I think like compared to like retail or food service it's like oh wow I would really take call center over this but it's like I think Lowe's too is like more it's like the combination of retail and then like having to lift shit

it's almost like construction not as bad but it's like just when someone's like ordering tile and it's like oh fucking I have to move so much onto this palette or anything else which is such a variety and then call center is like someone's got to get mad at me but this it's like you get some really really

psychotic people doing political canvassing To be fair, nothing has changed. Now I do YouTube and people get mad at me anyways. It's all picking shoes. Mostly for my video game opinions. You know, it is what it is. You can at least ignore them or call them fucking stupid. That's true.

At a call center, I could never send them big chugglers. Well, that's the thing with anything online, right? Is it's the trade-off. It's like you get to go into the town square and you get to yell about things or you get to talk about things. Sometimes crowds will stand around and listen to you and they'll throw money into your little into your little hat. But people also get to throw tomatoes at you too. It just sort of comes with it.

And sometimes XUC and Asman Gold decide to make a video on you because they hate you for some reason. It is what it is. Keep forgetting that happening to be. Oh, fuck. Lukavia asks, if you were switched at birth with another podcast member, who would you pick and how differently? Do you think the two of you would have turned out?

Immediately pick Mandy. Immediately pick Mandy. Oh, my God. I was going to pick Brendan You go first You go first You go first Yeah

You know what Everybody just pick me You can deal with the meth dad I'll take anything else You want to take alcoholic dad Hell yeah Listen you can go through Every phase of white

trash that there possibly is You can have all my trauma It's yours This is like When the Holt is feeding his dad But it's me and my dad And I'm saying Take it all

Brendan, let's have a dad off. You get my dad. I get yours. Let's see who ends up gayer. I take your dad in a heartbeat. Your dad's dead. Oh, fuck. Dude, I think that has the only difference if we switched fucking bodies would be that I would be by instead of gay.

And also you would speak friends. Well, that, like, you also, listen, you would also the meth farm, the cockroaches. This is not just like, you. My trauma doesn't begin and end of my dad. You would have to deal with my dad, my mom, my grandma, my other grandma. Take it all. I can't wait to be Brendan. Me looking at the sky.

Hot glue magnets to your fucking head and climb the fridge. Magnet up. Drop a knife on your fucking toes. Okay, well, I've done that. I mean, it depends on how many events we have to recreate and stuff. No, all of them, it switched at birth. You just live the other guy's life. It would be, it would be, listen, I'm not.

going to lie. A lot of the things that happened me in my childhood were almost directly because my family is fucking weird. I love them, but no, you, you take AI generated Winnie the Pooh. Everybody now is just fucking, all families are on the AI generative train. It finally, it hit the norms. They're going to be confused when you don't have the legacy autism. No, because I would just be you. You would be worse because I fucking, the only reason that I escaped is because I got nice teachers when I was in talented and gifted. Are they going to put you in talent and gifted if you don't have the brain slime I have? No. You're going to be selling drugs.

Dude, I'd be really good at selling drugs, I think. No, you wouldn't because you would have learned from my dad and my grandma and they're terrible at selling drugs. Well, what the fuck? Like, why can't I be? Well, this question's so open is the thing is your nurture changes so much. Yeah, I was going to say, like, are nature, nerds? In that case, wouldn't I be smart too? I like to think multiversally.

I'm the only Brendan who turned out okay. If you run 100 Brendan's to the simulation, one out of 99 turn out all right. I'm pretty sure I'm the one. Okay, Grock, run the sim. Okay, I love you, Grock Waffle, gork syrup. Brennan, I think I'd sell me after your dad if I was you. Oh, yeah, you're going to do some vis-a-vis, some upselling.

Yeah, upselling. Fantastic reversies. You know, I'm pretty bad at science. I think I'd be better at science if I knew your dad. How are you going to handle the life event of, of going to school after staying with your grandparents, getting the lice check, and they find cockroaches in your hair. Can you give me multiple choice?

You had cockroaches in your hair? Yes, step A go. Okay, whatever. B go. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. See, eat the bugs. Ooh, eating the bugs.

Oh, did you eat the bugs? Brendan, did you eat the bugs? No, I just went, okay. You went okay. I went, okay, that's weird. Well, you don't really know it that. It just sort of like, uh, I guess that is what it is. This guy wasn't going for the secret ending.

Oh, true. I'm not getting the fucking. Breaking Bad Walter Hartwell White. Why would you take, okay, we talked about you for too long. Why would you take Mandis? Cool dad. He is a cool dad. You just want, you just want anime.

Out of all the podcast members, I'm just, I'm switching with somebody who has the coolest dad, and I'm just like, who has cool dad? That's probably right. I mean, I don't know. Maybe Cameron's dad is fucking awesome. My dad's pretty cool. Yeah, I mean, Cameron, anybody that would, I want to see how I turn out exactly to say biologically with nurture.

Ten's mom is fucking awesome. One time we spent like, we were drunk as fuck on a on a video call for New Year's Eve and it was just me 10 and his mom. And his mom was drunk as fuck and she is like the funniest person ever. She's so nice. I would swear like she's also super into punk music and shit. She's like she's into the descendants. Like I think I would I would love to have her as my mom. I'm going to call.

I'm going to call her right now. Dude, I'm going to be like you want to adopt me. Say doc me. Adopt me I'm thinking of gay Spider-Man still Yeah Can you dress up with Spider-Man And

I had multiple questions Like follow-ups and everything What is the burning smell? Am I having a heart attack? Burning smell stroke I don't know who I'd switch with Who lives in the coolest place Honestly Billy I'd switch with you

Because Montreal's sick But like Montreal is so sick Oh dude you know what I don't want to go anywhere else You're so right I love being in Montreal In the trailer park you go

Best city in the goddamn world Oh, I kind of Brandon, if you saying that I do kind of want to spend time in a trailer park but I wouldn't want to live my entire life there But like trailer park, farm Enjoy when you're Enjoy in eighth grade when your grandparents' trailer

Burns down and you have to save your grandmother From the burning trailer fire They move into a motel Instead of getting a house or selling the trailer land So they move into a motel for a year Imagine I feel like we're getting more lore From this question than ever

because I knew about the fire. I didn't know you had to save her from the fire like Spider-Man. Imagine having to wake up your grandma because your brother is trying to put on an electrical fire at the back of the trailer and the back door swang open. So he's got buckets of water and he's throwing it onto an electrical fire. And your grandma's just sleeping on the fucking couch. The smoke will wake her up because she smoked cigarettes her entire life.

So you have to go, Nana. And then she's like, what the fuck? What the hell? What the fuck? Oh, God. What's the next question? We had to move on. This is a lot.

Imagine having to go and hang out with your grandpa's fat fruck, 400-pound friend who owns a softball field, getting paid a nickel every time the softball gets ejected into the middle of the busy street nearby. You have to run out into the busy road to grab the softball and you get a fucking nickel. Imagine the smell of a toilet in the middle of the living room. Oh, man.

In a house with 25 cats. What the fuck? We're learning. I'm learning so much new lore about this. I didn't know you had 25 cats there. My grandma was a cat hoarder. What the fuck? Mm-hmm.

So that's what I'm saying. We're learning so much. I like some of them. So the house that they used to live in after the trailer fire moving into the motel, they finally got a house. They sold the trailer land. The house they moved into, fucking wild up the stairs, the walls were carpeted. So like you would go and I'd stay the summer with them and we'd go to their house and the cats would be just five to six of them on that wall going up stairs at any point in time.

Right, because they're like a freak that came up. You're like cats in the wall. anyway yeah yeah do you want that to be your life I don't think I wish that upon anybody I had to go through that

that's my crucible The Frost Ace Oh thank you I was about to fucking do that one Out of any type of media Be it a video game TV series movie or anything else What would you change slash remove

To turn it into the perfect thing Oh Uh No actually Well because no it's not perfect Out of green guy to this Out of green guys to things No I was gonna say

No I was gonna say Get fucking rid of Wesley. Wesley Crusher. In obliterate Wesley Crusher. The new generation, next generation. TNG. Oh, yeah, because you've watched a TNG. Yeah.

Abliterate Wesley Crusher. Oh my God. I fucking hate Wesley too. He gets way better. It's season one and two. He really fucking sucks in season one. It's because Gene Roddenberry wanted to wonder kid. And once Roddenberry dies, it gets a lot better.

We got to, because we're, now we're at season two. So maybe it'll get better. But like, oh my God. Oh, because you're. at robot racist doctor, right? Measure the man. Well, you were there. Yesterday we watched up to the last episode of season one. Yeah.

So now we're going into season two. But like, dude, I'm going to be, Wesley fucking sucks. Yep. And I have a, I do have a bias because I don't really like Will Whiten that much, but like, Oh, don't worry. It's like, dude, it's like, imagine. If you don't like Will Wheaton, imagine Will Wheaton as a really fucking annoying child. And it's like, oh, it's so annoying. I hate him. Shut up Wesley. Oh, that funniest shit ever.

Fonniest line ever said in Star Trek. Shut up Wesley. And then he's like, his mom is shut up Wesley. We kept joking like, dude, imagine if every, every time he would open his mouth, another guy would be like, shut up Wesley. Dude, Worf going shut up Wesley. Please, I wish. The new backrooms movie is coming out. Yep. And I had this concept where it's like Ronald Reagan shouldn't be in hell. We should put him in the backrooms. What? And he should still have dementia, wandering the backrooms.

And when you run into him and if you destroy him, he splits into two Reagan and then four Reagan and then eight Reagan. I'm the Gipper. Nancy, where are you, Nancy? And he's just shambling and he can never die. And it would make the backrooms perfect, I think. But also make him green. That's not where I thought we were going at all. I think it would make the backrooms perfect if it was green Reagan.

Gregon. Yeah, Gregon. Gregon. Green Reagan. Yeah, let all the green trickle down to me. Reagan. Reagan. They got a Duende. They got a Gregon around here.

It wasn't like a Southern person fucking talking about a little alien running around in his backfields. They got a Gregon around here. A little dwinday, a little creature run around, a creature. Sounds like he's trying to say dragon. They got saw me a dragon. Damn lizard 300 pound beast. I swear to God, he ate my whole truck. Hemmy and all.

What about you guys? what would you switch to make a thing perfect? It's a big question. It's a big question. It is a big question. Because there's so many things you could do. It's only big if you take it serious.

It depends on your level. I will take the piss out of it. Well, I would pick something if I was like petty, but I'm trying to think of like, what have I watched or played recently where it's like this one guy ruined it? Or like I need to add this one thing to fix it. Oh, Kevin Spacey and Moon, take him out.

Oh, fuck. That's a really good one. And by taking out, taken out, I mean. I mean, looks at camera, Jim's style office. His performance in the movie is good at just everything else. It's like you can watch Moon and be like, hey, you know that's Kevin Spacey? Someone goes, oh, shit. I don't know if Moon.

I get that. I mean, it's the same thing as the, what's the other Kevin Spacey movie where he's a criminal? Keepers, creepers. If you replaced Kevin Spacey in American Beauty with Rodney Dangerfield, would it be a much better movie? Holy shit. I was watching shorts and I never knew that Rodney Dangerfield is like actually fucking hilarious.

Hey. He's a really funny dude. I always thought his entire shit was like, I get no respect. I got no respect my fucking wife. But like he's actually, his bits are actually fucking funny as hell. He's a really funny comedian. And before somebody comments something horrific he did one time and then I can never find him funny.

like the hey you know the cops pulled me over one time he said take off your hollewan mask i said it's not a mask it's just my face whenever i was sick rover danger field was always fucking playing it was always rover danger field my real answer would be removing the ability to patent game design uh oh yeah no trademarks no my god i just you know not being able to trademark fucking the nemesis system or video mini games and loading screens would be just the amount of how many games would be improved by that. My other answer is I would remove every time Machiplier mumbles in iron lung. Every time he starts mumbling, you're not the only person. You're not the only person that said that actually.

When I was at the party, I was talking about somebody mentioned that he was always like, I can't believe I'm on a podcast and you're talking about Markiplier and you do this me when the witch's curse still might exist. You know what? Not to be too based or anything, but I think I would remove capitalism. But only from the big short, because I'd love to see them just talking and hanging out.

I would make their Magorabi Baugh scene way longer. Well, okay, but like Paul Fiamatti Blue, let's keep that in, but let's call it Big Fat Truthers. Hey, thanks so much for listening. And a huge thank you to Urban Nomad for letting us use their song Falling Into Blue for this episode's intro and outro. You can check them out pretty much anywhere you get your music or just fucking Google it. I don't know, like it's really simple nowadays to just do that, man. And another huge thank you to all our top supporters on Patreon, such as Alan Diver, Art of Agen, Avery Pascal, Boopulu, Brain Soup, Brass, Cassandra Crash, Chipples, Chris Chapman, DirtEater 2713, Dubiology,

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