Plumbing the Death Star - Baseless Speculation About Zack Snyder’s Justice League

Episode Date: March 7, 2021

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Sands Pants Radio, Australia's hottest podcast network. Hey everyone, we're happy to announce a brand new podcast where the three boys with bad brains you've come to know and love speculate on all upcoming movies, TV shows and comics. So, no new episode of Plumbing this week. Instead, here's episode one of Baseless Speculation. Here's episode one of Baseless Speculation. Welcome to Baseless Speculation. All the pop culture news and none of the research, so you don't have to. I'm Joel.

I'm Jackson. And I'm Joel. Now, what do we think is going to happen in the Snyder Cut? Okay, so, Snyder Cut, Justice League. It came out in 2016 or 2017, hard to say. But it hits cinemas in a big way, sort of. The same way that if someone got hit with a bag of shit, you'd be like, that is... I got hit with a bag of shit, not big way.

It's not necessarily... It could be a small bag of shit, is kind of what this is i think i think that the justice league movie it's important to remember how excited the three of us were for it yes because we just seen we just come off the back of batman versus superman which is like a perfect film yeah it is flat out cinematic insanity yes it is like if comic books could also be, no, not heroin. If comic books could also be a drug that makes you tear your own face off. Yeah. Comic books could hit you.

If comic books were meth, they'd be Batman vs. Superman, which is a movie. Yes. Can you tell me, have you seen anything in cinema like BVS? I haven't. Exactly. We hoped, of course, that Justice League would be the cinematic sequel. Especially because, obviously,

Zack Snyder removed from the film due to either maybe getting fired or the tragic passing of his daughter. If it's the latter, that's sad. If it's the former, which I think it actually was because there was evidence. People thought that was the case at the time.

Everyone was like, no, no, no, no, no, that's insensitive. But now there has been more interviews leading up to the Snyder Cut where it seems like that actually was the case at the time and i was like no no no no that's insensitive but now there has been more interviews leading up to the snotty cut where it seems like that actually was the case anyway uh this is the most expensive movie ever made that rules what how what did they spend the money that's so good i say ever made it might not actually be ever made but it's in the top couple because the budget at this point is close to uh 700 million dollars well the thing is you gotta imagine right you? You're making three films several years apart,

but it's the same film. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The original Snyder version, I think, had a bunch of- Sorry, four films. I think the original version of this film had a bunch of- Was that five films then? I'm sorry, because I'm thinking the first two original films, what the idea was, that was always the films they were making.

Then they got noted pervert Joss Whedon in to kind of do the recuts there. And now we're getting two more of the same film. So is that? Where's this two coming from? Well, I assume because it's his original vision, right? Okay, so for anyone who's listening to this and they're like, what do you mean two films? Like what I just did there, I was the audience surrogate idiot. So yeah, originally. Yeah. do you mean two films like what i just did there i was the audience surrogate i saw so yeah

originally yeah so i don't know if everyone is aware of the timelines but justice league had been greenlit and was being made before bvs had even come out originally it was going to be similar to how at this point in time avengers infinity war was called avengers infinity war part one and part yeah yeah justice league was originally justice league Part 1, Justice League Part 2 Batman v Superman comes out They start steadying the ship Because they're like oh no This is not the reaction we expected Oh my god

One of the execs was like what do you mean a ship can't go on land So then they were like make it one film Or maybe the one film was just anyway So at that point the two become one So the story has to change That happens Working make it one film. Or maybe the one film was just anyway. So at that point, the two become one. So the story has to change. That happens. Working on that one film. People not happy.

Zack Snyder, maybe your dark, gritty... Takes on the... DC Comics is not what people are looking for. You can't have six Christ figures in one film. Why not? There was only one Christ in real life. Look, if you're going to do one, at least make one or three of them a pretender. You can't have all of them the Christ. Exactly.

So then Joss Whedon comes on. Yep. Big Joshy boy. Yeah. I hate him. And look, this is one of those things where my pervert senses clearly were right, because I've hated him for 15 years. Notorious foot pervert and bad man

Joss Whedon. Exactly. Abusive on set. Just like other notorious foot pervert, Quentin Tarantino. Abusive on set. Not cancer, because he's an auteur. Yet. Heads on the chopping block, Quentin Tarantino.

Anyway, yes, Joss Whedon comes in adds quips because they want to make a lighter film than zack's dad was removes mustaches yeah they throw more money on it so they have to reshoot i think zack snyder had shot 90 of the film that he wanted to make then they bring yos whedon it's funny to say with a soft hey jay i know that's not how you say his name but i do not care yeah yos yeeden say with a w yos walden coming on in he reshoots like 70 of the film makes it bad you can tell the bits that are his well most of it. Opening a movie with a kid trying to get an interview

with Superman for a podcast. My thumb did a thumbs down. A la Julius Caesar. I'm very sad that that didn't smash cut to a very terrible one Yeti mic on a table in a kitchen that him

hulking Superman like little boy being like so why did you want to become a Superman so when will this come out got anything to plug I'm Superman and that's about it let's talk about that voice

Superman's a good southern boy from Kansas Ma? Ma? Pa pa he sounds like hank hill you know truth justice in the american way i'm superman superman and hank hill share a lot of more qualities than just the voice anyway i'm glad that i stopped to ask and talk about the voice because I got a very suitable answer. Bobby. Lois. Lois.

This is my boy, Bobby. Bobby Superman. Dad! I'm Superboy Dad! You know. Peggy Hill. You know, it's all happening. Movie comes out.

At this point, the budget has ballooned to 300 either 300 or 350 million you then have to double that for marketing so we're looking at 650 to 700 million dollars it makes 600 million

and at that point would have needed to make over a billion dollars to break even good luck everyone's like oh my god the movie comes

out guess what is bad but not in a bvs way people hate it because it's bad and crazy way it's just boring yeah it was it was watching it was very lackluster because you want it to be a bit of a nightmare but it was just dull yeah yeah so the movie comes out and and we all saw it. Boring. And I mean boring to the point where, can you remember the plot? No. Why does it? Ask me some quick pop quiz. Do you know the name of the villain? Stepfather.

Steppenwolf. Steppenwolf, he came down in a boom tube, dude. I remember. Why? He. Yeah, what's the villain's motivation? He wants to get the cube. All of the cubes, all the mother boxes are.

Because the mother books. Well. He make a thing because there's like a family, a foreign family in a shed. He wants to ensure the bad Batman future. Yes. Wow, why? Mother Box, because Cyborg... Cyborg is a Mother Box.

Yes. What? Why the hell does Sephiroth come to Earth? Because in the deleted scene that was released after BVS of good friend Lex Luthor having a chat in the- I like to swallow like you have a gun to your head. Jesse Eisenberg's on fourth mic. Because he has a chat to- In the Doomsday Resurrection pod,

he has a hologram conversation and they are shown a mother box. All the devils are down. All the heaven and hell are flipped. I'm Jesse Eisenberg's The Lex Luthor. Was it made explicitly clear in the film? Yeah. of was it made explicitly clear in the film so that scene you're talking about i believe is actually a batman v superman scene yeah it was released on twitter it was meant to be because to clarify things it didn't well no i think the thing with that was because they were very big

on not doing post-credit scenes because that was a Marvel thing. But that was clearly intended to be a post-credit scene. They were like, this will be the DCEU's post-credit. Our version is the movie ends. You don't get to see it. You've paid for a ticket. You don't get to see this. You're going to go onto Twitter.com a week later. There it is.

You tweet it out. And you're like, oh, yeah, like. Cool. This makes not as much sense as you think it does. Awesome, DC. Great idea. So, yeah, why is he here? So, Steppenwolf has collected Mother Box's dark side.

Oh, he's a collector. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but he wants them to make anti- You know what? Anti-monitor? Anti-magic. Is it an anti-matter? What's the-

Oh, the anti-life equation? The anti-life equation, yes, yes, yes. That is definitely not said in the film. No, it is not. Because if they said anti-matter what's the oh the anti-life equation anti-life equation yes yes that is definitely not said in the film no it is no because if they said anti-life equation i remember having to explain boom tubes to a few things that are in the an integral part of the film and mother boxes they don't really explain what they are so i believe the plot is meant to be the steppenwolf finds out that earth is no longer protected by Superman as he died at the end of his second film, Batman v Superman. Dawn of Justice. When is the dawn?

Great question. Well, I guess they were saying the next film's going to be Justice League. At the end, Batman's like, hey, we should make a Justice League Wonder Woman. So maybe that was the dawn of justice. Yeah. They should have called it Dawn of Justice League. That would have been good. Dawn of league.

They should have gone, knowing it's Zack Snyder, I'm surprised it wasn't like Batman v Superman prelude to justice or something. Yeah, true. Spicy. Okay, yeah. So Steppenwolf is coming to Earth because he's like, there's a mother box on Earth. Yeah, and he's already got the one from the Atlantans.

The Atlantans, yeah. You know, the green Atlantans. Because remember there's that scene at the start of the movie that's like the montage-y thing, and there's a green lantern as well. Yeah, because he's running around and he grabs the mother box from the Atlanteans, or maybe also the Amazonians as well.

I can tell this is going to be a great episode because we are talking about the Snyder Cut, but are now stuck on remembering a movie we've already seen. Because I just remember there was a scene where they're like hanging around relived Superman and they're like, awesome. And then they just kind of have a quick pan to the remnants of a boom tube.

And they're like, damn, Steppenwolf got the mother box. Yeah, that's right. And it's like a boom tube and they're like damn steppenwolf got the mother box yeah that's right it's like a cutaway that they don't show anything yeah they're just like cinema that you need to show and not tell yeah but a little bit of telling would have been nice and maybe a little bit of showing too they didn't either yeah so yeah they didn't really tell or show why steppenwolf was there there There was no real motivation in that it was kind of portrayed, unless there was a throwaway line, and I was too bored by the film that I didn't get it. I also don't remember how they got Steppenwolf in the end.

How did they kill him? Superman just beat the shit out of him. Just like, what the hell? There is no team up. Like, I get it. There's like, there's just like- They had to team up to fight Superman. Yeah, that's true.

They had to team up to fight Superman. So if you look at, say, like, say, the Avengers, which I guess they were really trying to emulate and copy. They were like, okay, cool. So we need a threat that, like, not one individual can stop this. And so the Justice League are like, okay, we need to resurrect Superman because we can't deal with this one guy. That's so funny because that means that then theoretically

they've cut themselves for future Justice League movies, right, where they can't be like any threat they've already established Superman can take out. Well, okay, so this is where the part one and part two comes in. Infinity War didn't turn out to be a part one. I mean, it was, but it also wasn't.

They didn't call it Infinity War part one, part two. It was like Infinity War and Endgame. And in theory, they're standalone films. Justice League didn't really do that. It just kind of took the first movie and condensed it because the Justice League in the original version,

and this is going to tie back into the Snyder Cut. We're back on track. We're back on track, everyone. Woo! i'm feeling good we're on that zach snyder's justice league train yes the justice league were meant to lose yes yes of course which then causes the almost in exactly the same way that infinity war and endgame are told yeah causes like a bad future they fix it yeah yeah yeah yeah zach snyder's justice league is coming out it's happening it is four hours one minute and 52 seconds that's so good for me the other stuff that i know for sure is it has chapter titles but not like a dvd chapter titles as in like there's title cards like in the movie it's like it's chapter one chapter two i've heard conflicting reports whether it is six chapters or four chapters because, it was like chapter one, chapter two. I've heard conflicting reports,

whether it is six chapters or four chapters. Cause originally it was originally also meant to be a mini series. I'm so excited for this. I, this is going to be the first and only episode where I'm like, right, here's the stuff I know. It was originally meant to be a mini series,

but they nixed that idea. Zack Snyder didn't want that, but HBO max, which is where it's been premiering was like, I know four week like four weekly episodes and it's one film but you're watching a one-hour show yeah okay but jesse not jesse boy zacky boy was like no not the exact boy was like i don't like that no like too bad we've given you 70 million dollars but then actors contracts were for a film so they'd have to pay them more if it was a miniseries so they're like oh shit it's a film did we say miniseries we were crazy we were crazy back four hour film but maybe that's part one i'm getting another four hour film later what i've been sure i really like that i

feel like there was this trend about when justice league came out where like the longer the movie was the better like i remember it would be a thing it would be like an advertising thing in the uh early 2000s with like sword and sandal films no but also i feel like i remember i remember like marvel movies coming out and people would be like holy shit it's like two and a half hours long and people would be like whoa and then we would watch those two and a half hour long movies and be like oh i hate this but it doesn't seem but Zack's bucking in the other direction and I appreciate it. It's kind of like padding out, like, you know, like an MMO,

but like in an open world game where it's like 70 hours. Yeah, 50 of them are walking around. Almost all of the Marvel films are between two hours and two and a half hours. And there's a few that are a bit longer. Endgame, obviously three hours. Infinity War, I think is like 245.

Yeah, yeah. And everything else is less than that. I think Winter Soldier is also pretty long. All I just remember is this period of time way back in the day when we'd watch every Marvel movie that came out. We still will. Guess what?

We're not excited about it anymore. That's the difference. We're not watching it at midnight. We're watching it a week later. Yeah, but we'd be like, oh my God, it's like an hour and a half. Oh my God, it's like two hours. Oh no, it's like two and a half later. Yeah, but we'd be like, oh, my God. It's like an hour and a half. Oh, my God. It's like two hours. Oh, no.

It's like two and a half hours. This is nearly three. Jesus Christ. For a second, I thought you were saying we went the opposite way. No. I thought you were being like, oh, my God, two and a half hours. I was like, no, Jackson. That was like 20 years ago.

People want tighter films now. They're like 100 minutes. Perfect. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, no. Zach is like. He's like, actually, nice try. Four hour film four

hours there is a 10 minute intermission in the film that is in the actual a film batman gonna tell me to go to the lobby so is there a 10 minute are you telling me there is a 10 minute intermission in a in a in a a something that you're watching from the comfort of your own home that is 10 minutes like is it literally just 10 minutes of a thing? Is it going to be Batman being like, go to the lobby, and me looking at my kitchen being like, how? They all just start, let's all go to the lobby. What am I?

I can't, Batman. I'm on the couch. So did either of you see, and this is a really big swing for the fences because I just feel like it's going to be a big no. But have either of you seen the long version of The Hateful Eight? No. Old Quinty boys. I haven't even seen the short version.

Yeah. Well, the difference is like 40 minutes. Watch the short one. I will watch neither. If you're a listener of this show and you're like, should I watch The Hateful Eight? No. But if you really want to, watch the shorter one. It's over quicker.

You're not going to miss anything. Who cares? I didn't mind Hateful Eight, but anyway. So in the middle of the film and in The Hateful Eight, how there's like two acts, it fades to black. And then it just comes up like intermission comes in. But there's score over the top of it. I think it's the same thing with this. There's just score playing over 10 minutes of nothing.

That's so exciting. So good. Okay, so what do we think is going to happen in this Schneider cut? I think, so has it been confirmed that it's part one and part two? No. So I think that's going to happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it is a-

It's confirmed it's a cliffhanger, though, I think. Yes. So I'm glad that you've brought this up, because on podcasts for years, I've been like, I bet the Snyder Cut will end on a cliffhanger, because if this is his original vision, it is only part one of the plot. Zack Snyder said, yes, it ends on a big cliffhanger,

but it's also implied that that big cliffhanger is a character, so I don't know if it's going to be- Because also, another thing, this isn't his original vision anymore. No, no, no. He's changed it. He's changed it. Well, obviously. So it's going to be because also another thing, this isn't his original vision anymore no no no, he's changed it well obviously what character? Superman comes back

no, because we've confirmed that Superman wears a black suit in this film, so Superman comes back I was thinking that it'd be like, this is a Superman-less Justice League I think at the end Superman's coming back with a black suit huh but it's funny because I can't think of any character. Martian Manhunter's in it.

Yeah. But they're actually doing Martian Manhunter. But I can't think of any character to be like the big cliffhanger reveal. Green Lantern is the only thing I think of. But no one, who cares? Michael Keaton Batman. Oh! Michael Keaton Batman.

Michael Keaton Batman. What if it was Ryan Reynolds as Green Lantern again oh no one would care but it would also get on the news not even Ryan Reynolds

no but I think oh but money yeah yeah yeah and also like people aren't like Ryan Reynolds was a bat no people don't blame Ryan Reynolds

for Green Lantern yeah but they should because he's annoying and I hate looking at him and if Deadpool 3 was buried by Disney I'd say thank you, Disney. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They love money.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Disney, if you want my money, cancel Deadpool 3. I still stand by that Deadpool 2 was a lot better than Deadpool 1. I stand by the fact both of those movies are the same quality and I don't care about them or like them. Leave me alone i'm sitting in the cinema stop pointing to me stop pointing me out i go here to get away when deadpool 3 comes out i'm gonna stand at the front of the cinema with a big bat and when he breaks

through the fourth wall i'm gonna hit him with it whack him right back into the like whack-a-mole yeah stay in there stay in your goddamn movie we built this wall for a reason To stop things like this And the last action hero from happening And I allowed that Never again Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern Would get people excited But it doesn't feel like Snyder

That's the problem It's not Snyder's edgy Ryan Reynolds can do gritty Yeah but I still don't think Snyder would think it would be cool enough. Right? You know what I mean? But here's another thing. Everyone shit on Snyder for his films being bad, so he's reclaiming another bad thing to be like,

eight people were wrong. I don't know. I reckon the odds on that are pretty low. Second chances. He loves them. I don't know who... Sneaky guest appearance by the main character from Guardians of Ghoul. The owl. who's that?

You've got to help save Ghoul, Justice League. Robin? Robin? Robin's a good bet, actually. Okay, we're starting at the end, like idiots. The plot is the same, apparently. So the plot is going to be Steppenwolf is coming down. But we get-

A bit more context? We get way more context. Darkseid is in the film. Okay, sure sure i think i've seen that in the trailer dark side the other fellow whose name i can't say in granny goodness that are all appearing granny goodness granny goodness is there goodness me that's exciting whether that'll be like flashbacks well presumably it will be flashbacks because obviously it's not taking place during the events of the film but it'll probably be the same way that wonder woman 1984 started how it's like this thing happened in the past that's going to give us context to this yeah

yeah yeah in fact i'm going to say a cold open dark side is like one of the first things that happens in the film yeah i think that's like a um like maybe a fight happening in uh apocalypse apocalypse yeah it's apocalypse maybe we get like orion mr miracle or whatever i don't think we're going to get a mr miracle Miracle or Big Bada only because there's a new Gods film coming out, but it hasn't been cast and no one is going to let Zack Snyder cast those. Well, Mr. Miracle, very easy. He's got like a costume.

Yeah, he does wear a mask. That's true. Big Bada hard, but you could do it. She wears a mask sometimes too, doesn't she? Yeah, she's got a mask that covers her eyes. You could easily do it and then recast down the track I think we're gonna get

yeah I think cold open and it's gonna be one of the most difficult to follow fights because every single design of one of the

motherfuckers on the park it's just batshit inside yeah grey and blurry I love when they release like

the updated Steppenwolf costume or CGI and I'm like i can't tell where the background stops yeah and that's gonna be the whole fight it's just gonna be like roiling metal like it's real roiling metal but you know in the end of the the yos version we got how it was like really oversaturated with red i feel that honestly might happen if i said yes i do remember that i'd be lying so i feel's going to be like that kind of colour scheme,

but more like, yeah, roiling men. I am absolutely going to have to watch Prelude of Justice leading into this big Dawn of Justice. I know, no, no, no, you were right. Everyone in the game looked at me blank. I was like, no, that was a great joke, guys. Yeah, Batman v Superman is going to cop a rewatch. Of course.

I'm so excited. I've seen the movie so many times. So do you want to know other characters are definitely appearing yes because i'd like i think it'd be worthwhile going through how they will be introduced and how they'll be presented so the people that i know that we haven't seen before that are definitely in it so martian manhunter so his character is in batman v superman but not as martian manhunter so it's like oh this police chief is actually martian manhunter yeah but you're gonna see martian manh it's like, oh, this police chief is actually Martian Manhunter.

But you're going to see Martian Manhunter. Do we know who, is there any casting, any realisation of, oh, that was this fella. Do you reckon it was intended from the beginning? Yes, it was intended in Batman v Superman. Wowzers. I'll find out the actor's name because they're cast.

They're in Batman v Superman. How do we think they're going to introduce martian manhunter in a way that'll be like i think well with with with marvin the martian um with probably a little too small to be um with martian the manhunter i think what will happen is something like because he's alien they will assume that he's from apocalypse and they will assume that he's going to be almost like the mini-boss. He's going to be the first lead that they're going to go after because they're like, oh no, Steppenwolf and Apocalypse and all that, and then Darkseid, they've all infiltrated Earth

and this person we know, and they were going to hunt this guy down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so they're going to basically hunt the man-hunter. And he's like, normally I hunt the man, but I was the man being hunted. Some kind of weird clip like that, right? Yeah. It's this guy. And so, okay, a general.

He's a major, thank you very much. Wow, that's so different. Calvin Swanwick. Very different from regular Martian Manhunter. What did he do in BVS? Do you remember? Yeah. Do you not?

I'm sure i could remember if i read this article you read that article we'll keep speculating so i think it's going to happen is it going to be like okay so this is like your first act and maybe they're being like we don't okay superman's still dead we don't know what's going to happen and so then they're like oh god we had that nightmare vision we know something's going to happen and then and it leads to martian the manhunter or in a very similar way how it opens up initially where it was batman yeah hunting those captures superman and gives him over to zod but knows who superman is what a dog so he was in man of steel yeah

huh huh well okay scrap whatever you were saying well yeah he's in man of steel and bvs huh and he gives superman desire yep but he knows he's superman well i think he's kind of just like because he's like the first on the scene for like everything is happening because he's martian man all right i reckon well yeah well okay no i'm i'm gonna hold you through but like in similar how it was Batman finding those little flyboys and being like, ah, see, they're here sucking on fears or whatever. I think it's going to be something where maybe Martian the Manhunter and Batman maybe jump on one of them and they're like,

why are you here? Why are you here? Yeah, I think that's. See, I'm. He's a major. Yeah, I'm thrown because in the comics, I'm fairly sure, unless I'm getting it confused with Barbaralian, which is from another comic called Black Armor, but maybe I'm not

I think Martian Manhunter's either a cop or a detective Is his name John Johnson or something? Yeah, yeah, Johns Shut up, comic books It's like J-O-N-Z-Z Greeting humans, my name is John Johns No it isn't J-O-N-Z-Z. Greetings, humans. My name is John Johns.

No, it isn't. You're an alien, definitely. Dude, that's not how names work. You can't have the same name twice. In Mars, we love our Zs. My name's Johns Johns. Yeah, and I'm Jackson's Jackson's, dude. Yeah, sure.

Do people make fun of you for that? Because they should. I'm gonna. Anyway, because then I can see exactly that opening making sense batman tracks down one of the the so he's the secretary of defense by the time batman v superman happens i have no idea what because that makes batman tracks down one of the parademons and as he's attacking him out of nowhere martian manhunter arrives and it's like oh my god who who are you? Who are you? Wow. He plays a vital role in trying to stop the

president nuking Doomsday because Superman will probably die too. Oh wait, I remember that scene vaguely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is what I predict for Martian Manhunter. It's going to be meaningless. It's just going to be a reveal and it's going to be a setup for a later film.

It's going to be like, here's Martian Manhunterunter well what does that mean and that's all we'll get or it because of the secretary of defense it's going to be something where he contacts batman or something along the lines of like you have the full support of the u.s government that's a good theory because i know what's coming yeah yeah and then it'll be like why are you helping and then he reveals himself to be the green boy. Yeah. There's more going on in the world than you realize, Bruce Wayne. I am...

John Johns. Johns. John Batman will be like, wait, what? I'm John Johns. You sure you don't... Is this a prank? How'd you get this number? There's a crack call.

I think it's going to be either a meeting or something like that where the US government are now the big heroes. That's so impossible. Oh, God, that rules. So they're going to be like a big part of... Does Zack Snyder love the... He's a big army guy. Yeah, he's a big army guy.

He loves army. You know, in one of the godzilla films that we have godzilla swimming next to the u.s military u.s navy yeah uh to then fight the mutos or whatever it was i hope we're getting something similar like like godzilla he love usa yeah i kind of like how john john is like you don't understand Batman. Mars, we love USA. USA, big number one in Mars. I like that he's got Borat voice almost. Yeah, I think Martian-

Jon Jon's very nice. Jon Jon's very nice. USA, number one. Yeah. That's how the Martians talk. I don't know. I don't make it up. The Martians sound like Borat.

That's good. And Superman is from Kansas. I think what's going to happen, and this, this is a little bit of me picking behind the curtain because i know a little bit about about zack snyder and because he shot himself in the foot with this one and you'll never guess why came out in support of joe biden ah shocking that his fans didn't like that yeah um so i think what's more likely gonna happen is that the president is still seen as kind of like a not like a piece

like a puppet yeah yeah no not quite just like incompetent like i know i seen as kind of like a not like a piece of puppet yeah yeah no not quite just like incompetent like i know i know the kind of superman it's the kind of movie president where yeah they're like making the wrong decisions yeah yeah yeah and then there'll be a hero in second in command that's like shut up you stupid fuck yeah i'm martian man martian man i'm john john's the adult in the room. Yeah, exactly. With all due respect, Mr. President, fuck off. And then he snaps his neck like Superman did. I'm so glad that we've started saying fuck because our rating,

Batman confirmed says fuck in this movie. That is amazing. Batman, the guy doesn't even say fuck. I know he's not real. In real life, he never says fuck. What do you reckon it's going to be? Superman comes back? Fuck.

Yeah. Where is Batman? No, it's revealed. It's Martian the Manhunter. He reveals his secondary estate. He's like, Martian. Fuck. Fuck.

Fuck. I think it'll be just like a trip over. Fuck. Like a stumble, and then it'll keep running. Yeah. I think it'll be just like a trip over like a stumble and then it'll keep running so Martian the Manhunter's in it and I think it's going to be that kind of situation where it is going to be you've got the full support of the US military the president is incapacitated

but I'm in charge don't worry I'm John Jones but also I mean like DC I mean Marvel Marvel did too, but I knew DC definitely loved to just occasionally put Lex Luthor and stuff like that as president. So, like, them involving the president is not super out of the ordinary. No, not at all.

I mean, Captain America's also been the president. Everyone's the president. Everyone's the president. Write a comic book, you can make me the president. Yeah, it was pretty good. Is Lex back? Lex, I, so. I hope so.

Lex is in the cast list, but we haven't seen him in any of the trailers So he could be in a tiny, tiny, tiny role Could he be the cliffhanger? Yes Oh, that's a very good theory Well, he was in the post-credits scene of the original Justice League Maybe we'll get an expanded version of that Where he shoves a Jolly Rancher into

Deathstroke's mouth Deathstroke's wearing a mask Can't put the Jolly Rancher anywhere Hestroke's mouth. Deathstroke's wearing a mask. Come put the Jolly Rancher anywhere. He's going to try. He just lifts it up, puts it underneath and closes it. So I don't know if you missed that huge bombshell. Deathstroke is in this movie too and has a Hawkeye haircut from Endgame.

But is he in it as a big player? Oh yeah, I guess we don't know. I don't think... Look, Jackson, I know I've had a lot of answers for you, but I haven't actually seen the film. You just seem to know a lot about it. No, but I guess then I feel like we, I think, I think basically. Jackson, I know I've had a lot of answers for you, but I haven't actually seen the film. You just seem to know a lot about it. No, but I guess then I feel like we're going to, as this film tapers, like maybe we'll get the kind of thing

where, oh, Steppenwolf and Darkseid, and it's like, well, that problem's kind of being taken care of, but what's this? It's the League of Doom or whatever kind of coming up on the back end. Here's my theory. Yeah. I think that the nightmare sequence we get in this film, which we know we're getting, and that's where the Joker is in.

We live in a society. We live in a society with socks and fucks and whatever he says. It's a classic line. Anyway. It's a Joker. I don't know that he's a Joker baby. Excuse me, Mr. Batman. We live in a society with socks and fucks.

Batman's like, fuck. mr batman we live in a society with sucks and fucks batman's like fuck that's it fuck he's it's like mind blown the joker got to him fuck for real i honestly i think the the line that batman will say fuck will be like what did you say what the fuck did you say to me yeah it'd be something like that i think you're right yeah um but yeah i reckon we're gonna get the legion of doom or whatever they're calling themselves they probably wouldn't have a name no one ever has names in comic books it's uncalled to have to use the name in a comic book yeah let's not forget that uh the cw universe gave the movie flash his name flash yeah yeah that's right everyone's seen that scene right yeah that rolls yeah. Everyone's seen that scene, right? Yeah. That rolls. Yeah, it's big. That's good.

That's good stuff. So are we going to have any more time travel? Well, it's not necessarily time travel, but it's like a time jump. I don't know if it's a time jump or if it's a time leap sideways. It would have to be a time jump because they can't do like a dream sequence again. They can. I mean, they can, but they maybe should. They definitely will.

I absolutely predict that the Joker, and I think it would not be a shock to me if a lot of these cameo characters appeared within that dream sequence. Well, yeah, that's what I was going to say. The Legion of Doom is definitely going to be, I think they'll be in charge of this nightmare sequence when everything's cooked. I think, yeah, it'll be like Batman in his big trench coat

or whatever, his AK-47, whatever he's got. There'll be the big Legion of Doom symbol, you know, somewhere burned on the ground or whatever. Although the Nightmare- The skulls around his belt from all the villains he's slain. Yeah, but actually in the Nightmare sequence from Batman v Superman,

it's the Omega symbol, isn't it? It's Darkseid's. So maybe it won't be the Legion of Doom. Or is it a kind of thing where it's like, okay, we're getting- But we know that we live in a society in the future, which means that the society still has- But Joker seems to be almost on Batman's side.

May I present another batshit thing? So for us, we're like, okay, we get it. There is a potential dark timeline where the Omega symbol's on the ground, power demons are everywhere, Batman's gone crazy because that was- Superman's bad, Lois was the key. Lois was meant to- Because Lois was the key crazy because that was when Lois was meant to,

because Lois was the key, and that was when Lois died. But Lois survived. So may I present another batshit thing of another bad timeline where the League of Doom have taken over, and that is the society we live in. If they pull that same trick twice, I would be so happy. Holy shit. Well, actually, I think that what will probably happen is

I reckon Lois will die in this film. they'll actually kill lois what theory what damn okay and it'll be uh another thing that zack snyder wanted to do in batman v superman is while superman was dead bruce wayne and lois lane start dating that's good rules what the hell why he just likes cucking he thinks it's funny. Nothing like cucking your dead best friend? Yeah. But that was the thing that was in the original script for it. That was going to be the thing that was going to bring back Superman.

I hate being cucked. No, no, no. So Batman would realize, or Bruce, whatever, whoever he is at the time, realized that Lois can't love him because she only loves Superman and he's like... He was actually the one being cucked the whole time. Oh my god. What a weird motivation.

Yeah, I know. Just like, my wife is a weirdo. She doesn't love me as much as she... She misses her first husband because he's dead. I guess I'll bring him back from the dead. I won't just accept that that's part of grieving.

Yeah. That rules as well, because that means that in the original script, they're like, Batman, the world needs Superman. And he's like, frankly, I don't care. And then they're like, oh, your widowed girlfriend misses him. And he's like, no, I get it now. I'll bring him back from the dead. That's crazy.

Okay, so how do they realize to bring back Superman? I think it'll be Sephiroth will arrive, and they'll be like, this is a threat we can't deal with. You mean, how did they figure out how to bring back Superman? Well, how did they figure out that even bringing back Superman is an option? I can't remember. Because, for example, like- They use a mother box in Flash running.

I remember that. I remember that bit. And I know there's a throwaway line by maybe aquaman or he's like man you gotta be careful when you bring people back from the dead because they don't come back like the same which implies that he's done it before we got no like excuse me aquaman what but there was never any clarification there cyborg has a huge storyline in this and so does flash introduces flash's girlfriend and then like heroic acts fleshes them out maybe the thing with Cyborg they're like well

my boy was dead and I'm making a Cyborg maybe we can bring back Superman and we get Eradicator i.e. the Cyborg Superman yeah maybe as well you will get like we will get an exploration of Flash's powers and how they relate to the speed force or whatever which is also time travel shit so it'll be like well I can bring my boy back and also with the mother box and also flash can time travel so if we combine

them together maybe we can bring back superman you know what i mean like so i can see them figuring it out that way if we get those two characters fleshed out a little bit more uh i my prediction is that the nightmare sequence will go for anywhere between 45 minutes to an hour of the four hour runtime i I think that's very feasible. That's a good way to do it. What do we think? 39 minutes in it, this is a good way to do it. What do we think those four hours will be comprised of? I think hour one will be like

almost like a standalone Flash movie, standalone Cyborg movie, standalone whatever movie. Good theory. I think first chapter one all on apocalypse because i just remembered how man of steel starts oh yeah there's heaps of time on krypton isn't krypton goes for like 30 minutes i was gonna say it would all be like half and half i think to be like oh no chapters if this if there's four chapters it might only just be like a little

bit of it but it's six i think yeah chapter one apocalypse you're gonna get like all this weird backstory of like and all the mother boxes are the boom tubes and maybe you'll get like the atlanteans and the um like a reference to them on earth well you see there's flashbacks in the original version of justice league the one i say original i mean the one that we've seen. The real version. The true Justice League, where you see Steppenwolf fighting the Green Lantern and tries to protect it. The Mother Box was hidden in a hole in the ground. That's so funny.

King Arthur, apparently, 4,000 years ago, when we were cavemen, dug a hole and buried the Mother Box. That's such an insane point in that movie that nobody talks about they're like this happened 5 000 years ago and they're humans and they just look like medieval like that's that was less than a thousand years ago should have been cavemen digging the hole with their hands but no it's king arthur and his knights of the fucking round table apparently but yes so i think you're right. I think hour one will be...

Chapter one. Chapter one, sorry. And let's say six. I think it's six. Chapter one, set on Apocalypse, and it'll be exactly what the beginning of Man of Steel was. It's like your exposition film. You know what I mean? Who is...

Who are we following, though? Who is sort of like the main character, as it were, in that hour? Or that chapter. I think they'll fuck it up. And i think there'll be too many main characters at the start so who are we rooting for on apocalypse or is it going to be like we're rooting for the villains i think the whole thing will be set up like oh no like it'll be dark side will be the person we follow the most and we're meant to as the audience be like shit i think yeah it could be no i think it could be for like an audience proxy into apocalypse if they decide to do that which look looking back some of the filmography maybe not yeah but you get like a like a mr miracle-esque type person like someone trying to escape mr miracle would

be a good choice but imagine they do the same thing they did with jimmy what's his name uh jimmy olsen yeah so they have Mr. Miracle escaping the Granny Goodness pit, and then Darkseid just picks him up and snaps his neck, and they just kill Mr. Miracle. Oh, okay. They never mention that he's Mr. Miracle, but this might be like, look, say,

chapter one would be, we are following this person, Mr. Miracle, but never called Mr. Miracle. Yeah, yeah. But we're following this person, yes, escaping Granny Goodness's pit, all those kind of stuff. They're, you know, watching, like,

the apocalypse, all the terrible things that are happening, and yeah, maybe that we're kind of person, yes, escaping Granny Goodness's pit, all those kind of stuff. They're, you know, watching, like, the apocalypse, all the terrible things that are happening. And, yeah, maybe that we're kind of either getting glimpses of Darkseid or whatever. But then, yeah, it ends, chapter one ends with that person, Mr. Miracle, getting his neck snapped or something along those lines. Very feasibly. Because you're like, oh, no, we were hoping for so much, but now we are sad. saying yeah my theory is that it's going to be pretty much a condensed version of infinity war which will be like on apocalypse but like uh like a flashes of the bad guys winning basically like you get steppenwolf going fighting the atlanteans coming back being like we won the atlanteans being like shit we cooked it yeah and the same thing with the um amazonians amazonians i almost said

like theorem which would also have been The same thing with Greenlantians Yeah yeah But you know Because like The pacing is going to be One thing we need to accept

The pacing of this Will be bad It'll be cooked It'll be truly cooked And I think We'll transition I don't think we're going to get A title card until

In between chapter one and two I think so I agree Chapter one is basically A prologue But it's 40 minutes And then I think We'll cut immediately

To street based crime I think we'll immediately So that's your Chapter one yeah but it's 40 minutes and then i think we'll cut immediately to street based crime yeah i think we'll immediately so that's your your chapter one is look it's what's happening in fucking space chapter two is and here's the motherfuckers that are gonna have to deal with it and either you're gonna get like what's a transition maybe something like dark side looking up into like where earth would be in the skies. It'd be Superman's death cry. Oh yes. We heard that. Wait, what?

You know, so that's the, I forgot to say. Yeah. They know to come and get the mother box because Superman's cry when he dies, when he yells, it's in the start of the trailer when he like in slow motion leans back and there's like a yell and it's like,

so how did that not destroy it? Yeah. He was being careful. He was just aiming it directly at the bad guys yeah yeah well in a way it almost did destroy earth didn't it so then yeah you're right you'll hear the cry bam they'll be like and they'll be like the kryptonian is dead yeah and then it'll fade to black and then no it'll fade to black and then you get like a build of music and then it'll be, like, Zack Snyder's Justice League. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm hoping it'll be, like, it'll all be, like, you know, the Kryptonian's dead.

You get a close-up of Darkseid's face, and as he just smiles, his eye's bright red, and it kind of closes in, and then you get, yeah, Zack Snyder. Yeah. Maybe he'll do it, you know, like, Darkseid's got that wild lasers that can move at right angles, and he flies from his eyes. That, and it'll spell out Zack's name is Justice. And we're going to get some sick guitar riffs. The soundtrack of this is going to blow my penis clean off. Well, it's made by Junkie XL, who I believe did the Mad Max soundtrack.

That rules. So exciting. Then I think chapter two is just going to be like, here's more exposition for Flash. It's going to be Cyborg. I think it'll be street level crime, and then chapter three will be all of Cyborg's story.osition for Flash. Here's more exposition for Cyborg. I think it'll be street-level crime, and then chapter three will be all of Cyborg's story. Oh, okay.

Because Cyborg, even though I know that the plotting of this will be dog shit, I think that they'll try and bring in, like, the street-level crime stuff, they'll kind of lighten it up a little bit before they go into Cyborg's very depressing story. Well, I think you could say, so chapter two, you've got to have a little bit of a,

like, maybe Flash. So either you're going to get Flash or maybe some Batman. Yeah, yeah. Of like kind of like what we do with the Parademons, where it's like, it's just Earth reeling from the death of Superman. Yeah. And things are like back to sort of normal as it were in quotation marks. Oh, you get Batman because you get Jim Gordon because he's in this as well.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. J.K. Simmons. Oh, sick. So you're going to get like something similar to what the Parademons, where everyone is like, okay, Superman dead. that's oh well here we are life moves on but batman being like there's something else going on and then you get those weird like you know those parademon things who feed on fear yeah like maybe some weird crimes hopefully that's fleshed out a lot more than it was in you would hope so maybe so let me just say uh so one thing this is very late to say but every single scene that Joss Whedon shot

is not being used by Zack Snyder. He's not reusing any of that. It's only the stuff he filmed. So the scene that at the start of Justice League where Batman is chasing a parademon, he's like, what's that? That's a Joss Whedon. That's Joss?

Okay. I reckon we'll get the kind of thing where Batman is investigating something at the same time as Flash or at the same time as someone else, and there'll be some interaction between the heroes, and then maybe at the end of that, where they're like, something's going on, then we'll cut to Cyborg, and Cyborg's story of being a dead boy who came back from a box. Was he dead? Because wasn't he the star quarterback? I don't know, dude. He was in a car crash, maybe? Oh, maybe they used... Yeah, they're going to do the...

Star quarterback. Flashback. Flashback to the summer of 1969. The summer of love, baby. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Those two people, they're 69ing rather than driving the car. They're going to hit that little boy.

As opposed to like a 10-minute intermission, we just get the flag there on screen. We just come up to be like, just watch Remember the Titans. Imagine that, but with Cyborg. In the end, he'd become a cyborg. What if the intermission is just Cyborg in a hospital bed, and that's just a still picture of just like, beep, beep, beep. This is sad and going for too long.

Oh, this is sad. I guess I'll get a chop top. What an intermission. Go to the lobby. Still not over. 40 minutes. So then, okay, Cyborg's backstory, that's like, that's chapter three. And that is also probably going to be some exploration of the mother box as well.

Yeah, because that'll be where we learn about all the mother boxes and what they can do. Yeah. Are we getting, but where's like, where's Wonder Woman and Aquaman and like everyone else are they kind of in the chapter two as well or are they kind of like chapter three where we're sort of getting like you know we're getting maybe maybe some of the things that were happening in the other films or should have been happening other films but while this is all happening you've got say cyborg in a in a in hospital like you know beeping whatever and you kind of see everything happening outside like from the sort of like in the opening of bvs where we got um the

fight between oh yeah but from batman's perspective yeah kind of like you're getting all these other things that are happening but from cyborg's perspective in a hospital bed or something along those lines i think we're probably gonna get i, I think chapter two, because yeah, obviously, I mean, I don't even know why I'm saying this. It's very obvious, but just because there's six chapters doesn't mean they're all the same length. Yeah.

Yeah. So like, I reckon the crime, like the, just like reintroducing all the heroes. I wouldn't be surprised if that's just everyone at the start, like just cutting between it. Yeah.

That's fair. That could be like an hour to an hour and like 20 minutes or something. Could end up having people like, you might have like a flash and a wonder woman rocking up up to the same up crime accidentally and being like who is that who's that yeah it's also going to be interesting to see if we get the so in aquaman the movie aquaman is just kind of like a meathead jock surfer dude but in zack snyder's versions he's like a depressed alcoholic yeah maybe much like batman yeah yeah and like the wonder woman stuff is like zack snyder's wonder woman's weird because

it's very male gazey which the normal wonder woman films aren't but he doesn't give her the like motherly traits that have popped up in the yeah well it feels like whedon leaned real heavily into the sorry walden excuse me very hard. That's what made Wonder Woman such a weird character in the, the true justice league is that you had Joss Whedon being like the mother figure. And then you had Zack Snyder being like the sex object and they kind of butted heads. But you know, like how your thing,

the reason you like Wonder Woman comics is like, she's just like, yeah, I'd kill Joker. Of course I'd kill him in a heartbeat. Yeah. It's like, she's like cool with murder because i love that she's cool you do it is good she's not a coward she's very pragmatic she's a very pragmatic she's a soldier not a superhero that's what i'm not a soldier sorry that's not quite right she's a warrior not a superhero but in the wonder woman films especially 1984 they make her very soft and

motherly joss whedon i think look zach snyder is definitely a pervert when it comes to gal gadot like they definitely leer on her way too much joss whedon he's the one who wrote the like what if flash landed on her boob yeah yeah yeah that's true i guess neither of them treated her very well but yeah with zach s Snyder's version, he made her, like, mean and just, like, murderous, I guess. Maybe that'll come up. Yeah. Fingers crossed.

Because there's going to be that interaction, because, like, I assume we're not going to get, like, Batman rounding everyone up. No, no, no, no. So I'm assuming there might be some little bit of connection, you know, like, yeah, rocking up with the same crime. Or maybe that's happening in sort of Chapter 2. Chapter 3, we three we get cyborg now what happens at the end of chapter three going into chapter four well we have to at some point introduce well because i think cyborg will

exist to be like chapter four the loss like when steppenwolf beats the justice league maybe yeah well it beats him individually yeah i think that it's going to be chapter two is like here's all of these heroes, but we're all kind of stepping on each other's toes a little bit. And then chapter four is dingus. And then chapter five is like, oh no, Steppenwolf's here. Okay. Time to band together,

even though we're stepping on each other's toes and stuff. If chapter two sort of is kind of like a lot of Steppen lot of steppenwolf oh yeah action or nonsense a lot of like just i'm thinking so chapter two is kind of like you know you get some like you know you street level crime but like everyone's kind of doing what they're doing but the step wolf comes in and just like squishes them a bit and like it sort of like keeps happening so it's kind of happening at the same time but not really but then chapter three happens and then we get the cyborg backstory yeah and then we get the Cyborg backstory. Yeah.

And then it sort of ends with, like, maybe Steppenwolf kind of kicking the ass of all these Justice League members. But then it's like, Cyborg is operational online. And now he comes. And so chapter four begins with Steppenwolf kind of being like, look at you pity humans. I've gotten you all. I've gotten you all, blah, blah, blah. And the unexpected element of Cyborg comes in. Cyborg's here, powered by a mother box. And then he wails on him, and it's like, time here powered by a mother box and then he wails on him and it's like time to get the team together yeah he wails on him

he's not doesn't defeat steppenwolf but he wails on him but he's just like you know steppenwolf was on the back foot he has to like get a boom tube away but he's gonna come back because you know what's gonna happen or he captures uh cyborg what if they draw from the seminal 1994 film street fighter the movie yes where chun-li yes chun-li has the element of surprise on m bison halfway through the film and kicks the shit out of him only for ryu ken uh e honda and balrog i think no no guy forks dollism no dollism is there but he's's just a son. Guy America. No, Guile isn't in this part yet. Guile, though, great character in Street Fighter.

Great hair. Beautiful hair. Anyway, Chun-Li is kicking the shit out of M. Bison, is taken by surprise, but then the four doofuses burst in, and Chun-Li's like, and then Bison's like, and like ditches behind a wall and gasses them all. Similar thing, I reckon. I reckon cyborg might

do okay against depamorph in your theory i don't know if you're not loving it but like i don't know i like just building off what you're saying yeah might be like well and the other superheroes roll up to try and help but they actually hinder yeah much like street fighter yeah not a bad idea actually but then realizing like wow we cook this uh We need someone to lead us. And Batman's like, well, my girlfriend's dead husband or whatever. My girlfriend keeps complaining about her dead husband, so I might bring him back. Do we think Cammy, played by a Kylie Minogue, will appear in this film? I'm on Street Fighter.

I hope so, yes. I think so. So in that situation, I think it's not a bad idea then to have this kind of thing of like, you know, they've just had like, you know, they've won against Steppenwolf by like the skin of their teeth or they've pushed him back enough, but they were like maybe Wonder Woman accidentally

like a smacked Flash right in his gob. Yeah, right in the tesser. You know, Aquaman accidentally pierced Cyborg in his bread basket. Who knows what's going to happen here? Steppenwolf maybe manipulates the mother box inside yeah something like that either way like maybe nothing's getting nothing's lost yeah steppenwolf like leaves the team are there being like we won but barely and then maybe it's revealed there where it's just like what hang on you that dead quarterback what are you alive i don't understand that dead quarterback? What are you alive? I don't understand. I see that dead quarterback up and reading about you in all the papers.

You know, why wash remember? You were in Remember the Titans. You know, like I open the front page of the newspaper and it says, dead little boy. I'm like, what about you? You were there. What? And then that's the kind of thing of like, well,

if he can come back from the dead, what if? What about this? And then we get Return of Superman. In a black suit this time. In a black suit. But Return of Superman for chapter five. Yeah. And he's bad, remember?

Yeah. What about this? Outside odds. Okay. Outside odds. You're taking money under the table. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, it's just unlikely. Jackson's the bookie of this episode. What's up? So, okay. Steppenwolf. So this is a roughy, right? This is a roughy. This is a roughy.

Steppenwolf. We're talking like, this is paying like eight bucks for a win. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But. I don't know into horse racing. Anyway, continue. Dude, I only do dog racing rules. Oh, okay.

Sweet, sweet, sweet. And only underground dog racing rules where they don't have to be a specific breed of dog. They can just bring your dog. I'm going to put $10 each way on this one. Bring your dog to racing day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, okay. So Steppenwolf defeated. Okay. They get him. Off in the boom day. Yeah. Anyway. Okay. So Steppenwolf defeated.

Okay. They get it off in the boom tube. Okay. But Superman comes back bad, but he comes back bad because of the Legion of doom. They bring him back. What do we think about that? And that's your cliffhanger.

And that's Legion. Cause I don't think the fight with Superman, bad Superman, turning bad Superman into good Superman will happen in this film. I reckon that's the cliffhanger for the next film. And so they're going to, Legion of Doom are going to bring Superman back for them to fight. That's my take. I like that.

I like, but what if so Superman I still like is the big reveal at the end. What if Superman is good, like they turned him good and whatever, but then while he was dead, the Legion of Doom had been working on him. And at the end you don't get a bad Superman still being bad. You get Bizarro.

Two Henry Cavill's baby. One with a mustache. One with a mustache. Or what about, so the whole thing where it's just like, they're fighting Steppenwolf, but then smashing through a wall, bad Superman. Superman working for a Steppenwolf. I like all these theories. What if Bizarro comes down? As you can tell by my awe. Smashing through a wall. Bad Superman. Oh! Superman working for a Steppenwolf. Oh!

I like all these theories. What if Bizarro comes to- As you can tell by my oars. Do you reckon any members of the Justice League will die in this? No. I don't think so. Maybe Flash. Yeah. I think Flash might die too.

I don't think it'll be a permanent death. I think it'll happen in like a... I wouldn't be shocked if we see him die in... The dream sequence. Well, they want to do Flashpoint, don't they? Yes. They keep running their mouths about it. That is the one film that will continue from Zack Snyder's DCEU

that is still in production. So maybe Flash, to defeat some big bad, goes too quick and Flashpoint's or something. Yeah, he just goes too quick. Flashpoints or something. Yeah, it just goes. I hope Flashpoint is kind of like- What if the cliffhanger in this actually ties into Flashpoint and it's not actually Justice League Part 2? We don't think they're actually-

We think that they're tying it into this unmade Zack Snyder film, but instead it ties into Flashpoint. That would be crazy. I'd piss. Well, I hope Flashpoint is kind of like similar to say like edge of tomorrow or like groundhog day or whatever we just get like a lot of dead flashes that would roll a pile yeah anyway um i think that to bring themselves back if the dc eu was like because we have all these disparate ideas like all over the place these universes that can in no way connect yeah

correct if they were like flashpoint is the movie that like a thread ties every single dcau movie together back into one i think that's if they did that they could be back in the track to not making good movies because making good but they're making universe it would be at least the one world okay Okay, final question. I mean, the ending of the film, I guess. Yeah, so chapter five, chapter six. So we're thinking like chapter five is when Superman comes back? Or are we thinking that...

I reckon it's chapter six. I reckon Superman coming back is the like, what's going to happen next part of this movie. That's my theory. Okay, well, I think he'll come back a bit early. I think that it'll still follow the same thing. Superman will be good by the end of the film. Okay.

I think he'll probably keep the black earlier. I think that it'll still follow the same thing. Superman will be good by the end of the film. Okay. I think he'll probably keep the black suit. They'll beat Steppenwolf. And I think the ending of the film will be like Darkseid coming to Earth and being like, right, pricks. But so, because you think that it's going to end, or has it been said that it's going to end on that sort of cliffhanger? Zack Snyder said it ends on a cliffhanger. Is it going to end with the good guys losing? I don't know if that'll end with them losing. I think they may have won, but then Darkseid will rock up.

I think immediately after. They'll kill Steppenwolf, behead him or whatever, and then Darkseid will boom tube straight onto Earth and be like, right, you dogs, let's dance. Direct quote. Okay. Do you think, if that's the the case maybe the reveal is Darkseid because maybe he's not

in any of the film at all maybe he's not even in the first one I think we've seen it it's in the trailer yeah we've seen footage of him

on Apocalypse okay yeah that would be weird to have him in the trailer then be the big reveal at the end yeah Martian Manhunter

might jump in into the fight and help as well which is probably how he'll be revealed yeah maybe maybe I don't know

what the big reveal I don't because like it's like we said at the top of the episode i can't imagine any one character that would be a big enough deal i think it'll be green lantern i reckon green lanterns oh but we've seen them before yeah but not like within the modern day no that's true i think yeah i think that's i think good odds there for the Green Lantern Corp coming in. Ah, yeah. And then it looks like it's going to be a big fight. Then also, that doesn't set up a movie, though.

Okay, so I reckon the big reveal is going to be almost, it depends when Martian the Manhunter is revealed, all that kind of stuff. Martian the Manhunter. He loves to add the Vok. I do, I don't know why. I keep thinking of Marvin the Martian. I'm like, no, and then my brain corrects at the wrong time.

I am. All right, so when Martian the Bugs comes I'm like, no. And then my brain corrects at the wrong time. Think of Bugs Bunny instead. I am. Alright, so when Martian the Bugs comes in. That was backwards. There was still a the. So when Martian Manhunter comes down, because the thing is, it's like the big reveal, right? So it's going to be like, okay, you have

the backing of the US government to fight the biggest threat we've ever faced. But because of the connections that we have with the Green Lantern Corps, because they fucked up on Mars, I've contacted them and they're coming down. I think that's how we get the Green Lantern Corps, at least the Green Lantern, and they're all going to come in and save it. And maybe, I'm hoping, we get like a bit of a fight between Marsh and the men.

Nope. Marvin. Nope. John Johns. Yeah, John Johns. John Johns. John Johns John Johns we get a fight between John Johns

and that Green Lantern either in this this film or the next one or later on because it's like where the hell were you when Mars fuckled

I think we both were like no it's fuckled is what happened to us it's been fuckled but I reckon there's going to be a connection there

with John Johns and the Green Lantern corner I reckon there's going to be a connection there with John Johns and the Green Lantern Corner. I reckon that might be where it comes in. That's not a bad theory. I'm still sold on the fact that Darkseid ends. But the thing with that ending is, much like the ending of Amazing Spider-Man 2, ending with a fight that doesn't happen but also isn't a whole movie, that's not really a tease.

But Zack Snyder knows that he doesn't have a deal to make a second film, but also isn't a whole movie. That's not really a tease. But, Zack Snyder knows that he doesn't have a deal to make a second film, so he can just set this up to make fans angry and get them excited for another movie. Yeah, that's right, get them riled. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look,

the ending's tough, because we know it's a cliffhanger, so it could be anything. But I think there's just like two questions to end this on, and two things that I think people are speculating a lot about, but they have not had the baseless speculation experts,

or the BS experts, as we'll be calling ourselves. Question one. Do we think that the plan of this cliffhanger is to get everyone to, say, release the Snyder sequel as a hashtag and get the internet fucking firing so that HBO Max makes the second film? And secondly, do we think Flash will have a moustache like he does in that Flash

when he Flash points? He's like, ah, I've come at the wrong time. Oh. Oh yeah, fuck. That's also going to be a thing that happens because that was meant to tie in. Batman sends Flash back to himself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's incredible. Batman, he fucks up. Well, yeah, he's like, go to these three times. And if this hasn't happened, you're too late.

Yeah. Rules. I think, in reverse, I think we are going to get a mustached Flash at some point. And I think this is going to be like a hype for the sequel. I don't think it's going to be like a release of the sequel. It's going to be hype for it because I think HBO have already signed off. I reckon. I reckon. It's already in the bloody works, mate.

It's already happening. It's already happening. That's spicy. Oh, what a bit. Okay, so it's going to end with a cliffhanger and a fucking date. Oh. And a date.

Dude, if it ends with a date, I'll piss. Frankly. So, two things. Ezra Miller, they're cancelled. Uh-huh. And Ray Fisher has said he'll never work with Warner Brothers ever again. Okay. They'll figure it out.

Yeah, okay. Okay. They'll get some. Oh, there's also rumors that, and this is in air quotes, even though you're going to be able to tell from the sound of my voice, Jared Leto is the key to the future of the Zack Snyder universe. That is the most exciting series of words I've ever heard in my life. So, yeah yeah there was like

i was watching i fell into a hole as you can probably tell from yeah dude there was speculation with fans and zack snyder who kind of hinted through his weird social media viewer whatever he uses that if people really like this universe rally behind Jared Leto's Joker because that is where Warner Brothers are most likely to take it and then Zack Snyder can make a Joker film that he can tie everything to have a Joaquin Phoenix Joker film and a Jared Leto Joker film oh my the amount of pissing you have no idea also how good's this uh Heath Ledger won an Oscar for playing the Joker Jared Leto played the next Joker. Everyone hated him.

Joaquin Phoenix played the Joker, won Best Actor. Then next Joker, oh, it's Jared Leto again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Dressed like the crow. Also, did you see the promo photo of him with a thorn of crowns? Yeah, Jared Leto's Joker is also a Christ figure. Finally, another Christ figure. I was thinking we didn't have any in this film.

Okay, actual genuine this film. Yeah. Okay. Actual, genuine final question. Genuine final question. I don't know why mine wasn't genuine. Who do we think are going to be the Christ figures in this film? Okay. Superman.

Wonder Woman. Batman. The Flash. What's his name? Cyborg. Yes, of course. Because he rides from the dead. Joker.

Yeah, because he's got a crown of thorns. Mr. Miracle. Yep. Big Barda. Yep. Granny Goodness. Yes, obviously. John Johns.

Green Lantern. All the Green Lanterns. All of them. They're all going to come down with, in the Christ pose. Nailed to a cross. Okay, every Themysciran. Yes, yes. All the Atlanteans.

Actually, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Christ post. Nailed to a cross. Okay. Every Themysciran. Yep. Yes.

Yes. All the Atlanteans. Aquaman. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. What about Zack Snyder? Zack Snyder, obviously. Self-insert. Yep.

Us, the audience. Us, the audience. The three baseless speculation boys. The BS boys. The BS boys. Absolutely. The experts. What did I call myself? Whoever is the CEO of HBO Go at the moment.

HBO Max. Okay, if I ever buy this on DVD, the person who hands it to me, I'll say, oh, you're a Christ figure. So am I. And I'll take the DVD. Jesus Christ? Jesus Christ. He's coming back.

Yeah, yeah. And he's in the film. In the film. In the film. So I would say that's pretty much everyone. The cast of the old Suicide Squad and the new one, probably. Everyone got that squad tattoo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think the only one that's not is maybe Jimmy Olsen. Yes, Jimmy Olsen. Jesus Christ never got shot in the brain. I would say Jimmy Olsen is a potential Christ figure because he hasn't come back yet, but if he does, Christ confirmed. Yeah, Christ confirmed. And on that note, I've been Joel. I've been Jackson. a potential Christ figure because he hasn't come back yet but if he does Christ confirms yeah yeah Christ confirms and on that note I've been Joel

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