Plumbing the Death Star - How Corrupt is the Zootopia Police Force? (Feat. George Dimarelos)

Episode Date: May 7, 2017

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Sands Pants Radio. Have you ever thought that maybe the 58 hertz whale that's singing in a tone no other whales can understand is just an idiot? D&D. The Plumbing Boys play slash ruin the yawning portal where myself, Dusha and Jackson create D&D versions of ourselves and try to beat D&D. Episode 1 of us tackling the sunless citadel is up right now, so go do yourselves and us a huge favour by signing up right now at SandsPantsPlus.com for even more weekly bullshit from your favourite boys. Hey everybody and welcome to this week's episode of Plumbing the Death Star, where we ask the important questions like, how corrupt is the Zootopia police force? I'm Gizelle, Welcome to Zootopia. Now, in Zootopia, Officer Hopps, she basically stops what is in essence, I guess, political corruption.

You know, everything is pretty much gone from higher up all the way through. You're looking at the lion. He was corrupt because shit was going down, but he was just covering it up. But then it turns out it's the sheep who was trying to you know cause all this problem but then she's like jesus allegories yeah i got it sure lamb and the lion yeah that's true actually far out faith in god i'm there corrupted yes but then at the at the end uh or towards the end or towards the end, you see a scene where Judy Hopps is interrogating someone and she uses the help of the mafia, like the mob.

And that doesn't change. That doesn't get solved. She stops his corruption going on in politics and that kind of stuff, but she is very happy and willing to just work with a mob boss who is willing to ice somebody, as in to kill them. And she knows that.

And she uses that to threaten someone to get information. So I guess really it's like the corruption not only is it high, but is she a good cop? No. Because no. Judy Hobbs is not a good police officer. For a lot of reasons. She's doing what needs to get stuff done, right? Yeah, I guess she does do what needs to get done.

Look, she's a dirty cop, but sometimes dirty cops get the job done. Exactly. This movie's layered, right? So I guess what I'm trying to get at here is, yeah, she is, A, a dirty cop, but also very corrupt in getting what she wants done. And I feel that that's just going to lead to more and more problems down the line well my counter argument would be like what kind of shenanigans can a shrew mob boss really get into a shrew mob boss with polar bear enforcers that's a lot of

how weird it is that the polar bears are like the one species that are the mob enforcers like that's strange they are the mob enforcers. Like, that's strange. They've got the timber wolves. Yeah, but they're for a specific purpose as well. That's real weird. They're like your scouts, your watchmen, whereas the polar bears are thugs.

If I was a polar bear, I'd be like, this is a weird pigeon hole. My species is full of them. There's some serious racial profiling throughout Zootopia. That's really strange. Are they meant to be like the Italians? Yeah, I guess. The polar bears. The shrews were. The sh meant to be like the Italians? Yeah, I guess. The Polar Bears. The Shrews were.

The Shrews were the Italians. The Italians, I mean, not the Italians. The Polar Bears were just like the idiot species. No, they were just the enforcer species. Yeah, but they were all idiots. All right. If the mob is the Italians, who does the mob get? Do they get another race to be their enforcers?

Maybe the Irish? The Irish. The Irish. Yeah, that seems fair. The Pol the bears are the Irish, yeah. Yeah, so corruption, I mean, it's throughout the police force, but maybe it'll just be like a, you know, there are some cops out there that have a working

relationship with the mafiosos. But if we look at the police force, is the fact that everyone is willing to work with other criminals, is that just endemic of the bigger problems that dystopia is having? Because you look at the Buffalo. Yeah. I love that I forget all his names.

The Buffalo. The chief. The chief. He does not want Judy Hopps to succeed. Yeah. He kind of gives them really arbitrary things, doesn't believe everything she says, and is kind of set up to fail,

and doesn't bother doing any kind of legwork how did they just sort of just they just not wanting them to succeed so that they get more like funds how did the police force ever enforce oh well no of course oh my god of course that makes so much sense i was like i was gonna ask a question how did the zootopia police force before people like judy hops come along enforce the law in places like that Rodentville Because obviously a buffalo is too large He's not going to get down there

But that's why the mob is so prevalent Because There's a fucking void to fill So the rodent mob is going to get in there Which I guess explains why The Zootopia police force doesn't want Judy Hopps Because the moment they have Judy Hopps They have somebody of the appropriate size to police there which will ruin their working relationship with the mob but luckily judy hops was happily

working with the mob anyway so the problem solved itself she just got into it and even like started using to threaten to murder people so yeah she's like what's that you're working for the police sick oh yeah sounds good but i think and maybe this is going completely against the message of the film, but I think you can't really live in a society where you have people of such varying sizes and temperaments. I know they're like, whatever, we fixed the foxes, but they're still a predator. Yeah. They've got still teeth designed to eat each other. Tell me there's not fucked black market shit happening in Zootopia all the time.

Well, yeah. Weird stuff going on. I mean, think about the mob. I guess, what are they running? I'm guessing they would be like, hey, you want some otter? You want some otter meat? We can give you some otter meat. It's kind of twisted, yeah. That's true. That is their food.

Like, as in other animals. If the shrew is, like, freezing whatever he's putting on ice and killing someone, I mean, that's just some excess meat he could use. He could give that to a predator. Or give it to a predator. Or he's probably running like a weird meat, black market, meat market. Yeah, you wouldn't feel too safe, I've got to be honest. You're a prey.

Nor. Do you think that- Do they get drunk? What happens if they get drunk? I feel like that's going to be weird as well, because say I'm a rabbit, I need to pay for one beer to get drunk, but if I'm a buffalo, I need to pay for, you know, so much alcohol. How does the economy work?

It's true, you can think about the economy like that. That's a good point. Like, it's not very fair at all, is it? Even when you get, like, the icicle pop, right? So it's the size for an elephant. Yeah. But then he runs a scam. Yeah, true. He grabs it and melts it down, so he feeds all the hamsters.

Yeah. What? This economy seems deeply flawed, to be honest. Maybe the reason they didn't want Judy in the police force is because then she would be receiving a wage that a normal police officer would receive which they would spend on groceries however judy hops is going to be making far more money you know she's going to be saving far more because she's going to dominate yeah fuck if you were clever you would be like you know what let's buy

one sandwich for an elephant i'm going to save up for a year and i'm going to buy one sandwich for an elephant? I'm going to save up for a year and I'm going to buy one sandwich for an elephant. Or does that cost more, that one elephant sandwich, than say a shrew sandwich? That's what I'm kind of asking. Well it shouldn't because that's fucked for the elephant. Unless elephants are getting a different size.

You know what I mean? So you get paid according to your size? It seems risky, that strategy It seems so strange Or your person can pay it according to your species It'd have to be You'd have to be paid according Or each species

Or at least size of species Would have their own currency But how far off is that From like paying people based on their Size Yeah Are you going to pay extra to catch this flight Because you weigh more

Exactly Oh, you're a little person. That means a waffle for you is massive. So you're only going to give you half a waffle at a restaurant. You boil it down to basically like a basic thing. So like an hourly wage, let's just say it's like, all right, so an hourly wage is enough to buy one meal. So it's like, all right, so in an hour you earn $10,

and $10 is enough for a meal, right? But you're right, a hippo is eating more than, say, a shrew. Well, I'm going to be honest, as in, I don't want to be saying something contentious here, but technically that's legit. We shouldn't be basing it on things like that, right? As in, maybe if you weigh more, you should be paying more for food. I think, yeah. I suppose, especially, like, within the world of Zootopia,

if you are larger, you're going to be eating more, and then you've got to be paid more so that you can... Unless every single animal has its own currency, but, like... The problem there is, like, yeah, you're paid, say, one hour equals one meal or whatever like that, so it's like, okay, cool, but the problem there is, like, a hippo can be like, yeah, you're paid, say, one hour equals one meal or whatever like that. So it's like, okay, cool. But the problem there is like a hippo can be like, yes, one meal is $10. I'll have this large, like, say, for example, giant salad.

Yeah. Whereas a bunny will be like, sick. I want to buy a hippo salad. Yeah, true. Which is maybe why the elephant was like, I'm not giving that fox ice cream. An ice cream. Because, fella, have you seen how little you are? This is breaking our economy.

We have rules in place. It wasn't to do with the fact that you're a fox. No. It was just like... He was breaking down the entire system for his own benefits. Yeah. Because if he does that, then, yeah, everyone's fucked. This corruption's deeper than we thought, I think.

Suppose then you could look at whatever the fox's name was, John B. Fox. Arrested Development, lads. Arrested Development, the fox's name was, John B. Fox. Arrested Development Lab. Arrested Development the Fox. That he's kind of just exploiting a loophole in a broken system, really. Yeah. Or just a system based on trust that he is then exploiting to take advantage of.

Well, that's true. Breaking the system. Depends on whether you see him as a freedom fighter or a terrorist. Yeah. Depends on whether you see him as a freedom fighter or a terrorist. Just to take a step back as well, we're talking about the lion, the mayor, being corrupt because he's holding back that information. But that's every government ever, just to clarify. There's information that citizens shouldn't have

or else they'll cause a panic like what happened in Zootopia. Exactly. He was completely fair enough in keeping that information quiet. I'm sure he might have been doing it for selfish reasons. Yes. But like... He caused the panic. It's bad.

What happened? You've got to be right. People, like the mainstream media, they're going to have a field day with that sort of thing. Exactly. Hashtag fake news. Yeah. They'd be going,

are you living next to a predator? Yeah. And they did that. Yeah. They they did exactly that so it was bad you know i was living next to a predator that'd be so stressed you're very much a stress time are there different oh god this is stressing me are there different clothing stores for every species because a cat no there are no cats because there's a puma. Well, yeah. A puma is a different... What does a cat? A different shape to a horse.

A timber wolf. Yeah. So, yeah. Like, a puma is a different shape to a tiger. Yes. Yeah, this doesn't work. This economy. I want to know, how does welfare work?

For example, like, yeah, I'm going to... All right. So, you're two parents with some kids, et cetera, et cetera. Yes, has some money. Like, in Australia, we have, like, you know, for every child you have, you get with some kids, et cetera, et cetera. Yes, has some money. Like in Australia, we have like, you know, for every child you have, you get X many dollars, et cetera, whatever. Some of these animals have litters. And remember Judy's family, she is one of our many.

Yeah. And that's just biology. Yeah, but. Whereas something like an elephant will have maybe one kid every 18 months. What's a gestation period? You know what I mean? Could you. It's like a kind of? You know what I mean? Could you... It's like a kind of fraud over there being like,

yeah, I'm a rabbit when you send it off. Yeah, species fraud. Yeah, I'm a rabbit. Absolutely. I'll take all those benefits. Because there'd have to be a lot of benefits because they have a lot of kids. But like this...

This sounds like demographics are going to favour the prey within two generations. They're going to be everywhere. Yeah, absolutely. They have so many kids because most of them get killed. Yeah, and predators. Why are they having so many kids? So here's-

Because they're welfare bludgers, all these prey. You know what would be- Because the predator should be eating them. You know what keeps numbers down? Yeah, that's what keeps it even. If I was mayor of Zootopia, I would employ professional murderers. Because we have to keep the prey population down somehow. So you raise a child,

the child goes to the big city, some of Jackson Bailey's professional murderers stab you in the middle of the night. Or do we do something like the one child policy? Well, we got to do something awful. We have to do something like the one child policy? Well, we've got to do something, Orv. We have to do something, yeah. I feel we might have to implement a one rabbit policy just for all the prey.

See, that's the problem with the whole movie. The movie's like, guys, we're all the dang same. No, we're not. Some of us have thousands of kids. This system doesn't work. Some of us are far stronger than others If they were like Oh look we can't let a rabbit onto this construction site

And somebody kicked up a fuss You'd be like well the people on the construction site are gorillas Okay A gorilla build a house like that What are you going to do rabbit But there are things that a rabbit can do In a construction site Like they can be transporting like screws

And all the finicky stuff. Well, I guess. This is it. A rabbit. Transporting the screws. That is giving work. That is a made up job. That's just some busy work for that rabbit.

No, but you know what? I misspoke. A rabbit could help build a rabbit house. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like maybe they could manage the gorillas. Exactly.

This isn't a problem like our real world is sort of facing, this idea of the job market, right? I don't know if we can go. So, for example, when automatic cars come into play, so self-driving cars come into play, and then that includes trucks and that kind of thing. So a lot of the transport systems are going to just be automated. Yeah. And that's going to put a lot of people out of work.

Put the truckers out of work, put the people who make meth for the truckers out of work exactly yeah and then the lot lizards want to think of the lot lizards i want somebody to think of the lot no one ever does uh and it even goes you know further like there are machines now that you press a button that makes a coffee for you just how you like it you can press a button against the latte it's perfectly frothed exactly how you want it and so nowadays we're almost employing people to just be like oh okay i'm gonna press a button and then pick it up and hand it over to you and we're giving them like 10 bucks an hour simply because like we have to have employment whereas like that's a problem in our world that

we're going to be facing in the near future whereas i feel in zootopia they've passed that because there are there are animals there that are clearly better at doing so much more than say a shrew I feel like realistically like the sloths shouldn't have jobs the DMV that DMV must be

like a nightmare you would never go there it would be like the worst run you have to go there because that's part of the government. Well, don't employ sloths. This is government corruption that's going on. But they've employed them to give them work because it slows everyone down, which means that no one stops to think that it's a systemic problem.

It's a problem of the sloths when it's not. It's a systemic problem. And they're not facing the real issues. They're going to have to deal with this one day. It's just like we're going to have to deal with this one day, this labor issue. It's not going away. They're just like, there is a problem here. with this one day This labour issue They're just prolonging it

There is a problem here But if we put the sloths in charge of something Everyone's going to be mad at the sloths And they'll find it ironically funny Why did nobody enslave the predators? Enslave the predators Yeah, no, hear me out Realistically, within the world of Zootopia

Like we said, within two generations The prey outweigh the predators. Right. Right? And we're talking about a world where we have equalizers, so the cops have guns. Okay? So it's not beyond the realm of reason that some of the prey,

say sheep, could get guns, and then they don't have to do any work because a prey is not good at building or manual labor. That's just how it is. Yeah. Whereas a gorilla or like a fox or something like that, well, they can build your house. They can wait on you. And you've got so many prey and so few predators

that the population would be easy to control. They have a child once every however many years. You're basing the idea that the prey are the weaker ones. But like there's some big ass prey right Like the buffalo And even gorillas Gorilla will eat another gorilla if it wants Baboons eat meat, baboons eat other monkeys

It's gross and adorable But the little ones should be enslaving the big ones At least That should be the case Which sounds strange But that's just like how it would surely reasonably... Well, I guess that's why the shrew has polar bears as his employees. You know what I mean?

But then why is a lion in charge? Is he, though? Well, I guess technically the sheep's in charge. That sheep's the one making the decisions. Shadow government. Well, yeah. Lions just gotta look good. Lions are good public faces.

He's made his glory That movie makes it out Like the predators Well not like the predators Are the bad guys But like that's the problem But that's not the problem The prey are the problem

The prey control the farms Guys Yeah they control They control the farms And then they control The food source Because what are the prey What are the predators eating

Sorry Fish Fish and lizards Yeah Fish and lizards Is that what it is Fish and lizards Fish and lizards

Because it was a fish market Fish and lizards. Fish and lizards. Is that what it is? Fish and lizards? Fish and lizards. Because it was a fish market. Fish and lizards. Black and yellow. I love that they decided fish. They decided to fish. Fish are not alive. They're not talking in this. Fish are not alive.

Except for dolphins. Dolphins are like, we don't eat them. I remember reading this great paragraph. I had this in my head the whole episode because I read it like last night. This paragraph of somebody's like i guess utopia fan fiction but it was just like a it was like a little ask reddit it was uh what do you call it like um story suggestions for some reddit thing basically it was like zootopia the shining like beautiful city but on the edge in the wastelands another group were lying in wait their hands clumsily

wrapping around old human weapons the the dogs and the cats. Like man's best friend being like, we're taking it back. It was real good. It was good. Because the reason why there's no dogs or cats in Zootopia is because there was no humans around to domesticate them. Yeah. But would they have domesticated something else? As in the Zootopian people?

No, that's slavery then. Yeah, but like... That's a Pluto Mickey Mouse situation. But again, going back to the real world, we see, say again, using baboons domesticating dogs. That happens. That happens in real... So clearly there'd be some kind of domestication going on.

Probably dogs again. Birds? Birds, yeah, there are no bird people. So presumably somebody's domesticated birds. Also like... I was going to say like a big part of... There are no bird people So presumably somebody's domesticated birds Also like I was going to say like a big part of There's no bird people There's no bird people, but there are

I feel like I see a bird in a cage at some point Surely Because having like, you know, a pet is very Something that We have that, so I feel the Zootopian people Surely like cave rabbits Or cave horses or whatever, you'd require that.

The reason we domesticated dogs was to help us hunt, to help us. But if you are a wolf, you don't need a wolf to help you hunt. No. So like. So did you get a promotional support? A lizard? I suppose a lizard is probably the way you'd go. What about like a seeing eye?

I guess they have their noses I guess if you blind a dog they're fine Most animals are cool if you blind them That's just a fan thing Thank god It's my weekend You've got to blow off steam somehow Might as well be blinding dogs

Who runs Zootopia? That's what I'm trying to... Because the mayor is not the end of the... What do you call it? The ladder of power. The buck doesn't stop at the mayor. There's no senator or anything like that, is there? Is there a president of Zootopia?

Well, that would have to be. It sounds... Where is Zootopia? Where is it? Because, yeah, Zootopia's a city. The mayor is like the mayor of, say, Melbourne. Right? So clearly that's just one city-state.

But Zootopia, like... Zootopia's like a one-off, like, that's a hub where everyone hangs out together. Everyone else, they're all on their own. That's basically the Melbourne, like, CBD. Yeah. So I'm guessing you go further out. So, for example... And then you get, like, the Greeks and the Italians.

Yeah. Well, yeah. Because you got, like, the... Was it... Where does hops come from? Bunny farms or something? Bunnyville or something like that? I bet it's called that as well. That Greeks in Italy. Yeah. Well, yeah. Because you got like the, where does hops come from? Bunny farms or something like that. I bet it's called that as well. That's so weird.

Italianville. Thaiville. I guess that's like a little Italy, maybe. Vietnamland. It's like, you know, this is Chinatown. Yeah.

Yeah. It kind of makes sense. That's inside the city. This is like, this is more like a, like a country town just being full of, it's more like Springvale. Yeah. This is more like a country town just being full of- It's more like Springvale.

Yeah. Which is such a Melbourne reference. But the problem there is it's not just all bunnies. A fox lives there. Predators live there. You know what I mean? Yeah. If he grows up.

They're just like the Chinese guy that's in this country town. Yeah. There's all white people and there's like one Chinese guy there. Yeah, that always happens. There's always like a country town. They've got like one Chinese guy, one Indian guy just living in the country town. Yeah. I guess.

That's the fox. Yeah. Because he's a fox and he becomes a farmer as well. And he probably just likes the bunnies, you know. Look, he's into the bunnies. We haven't even got into the awesome sexual side of Zootopia yet. Which we will get to in a moment. Thank God.

I'm excited to talk about it because like it's freaky. Yeah it is. So the CBD, so that's the utopia the further out you go in the suburbs you would have like say intermingling with different species but I'm guessing the further out you have you would have to have segregation. Like just by happenstance. Yeah it would happen naturally like all the stores would be

written in elephanties. There is no elephant hanging out in Bunnyville. No. But they're all the same size though. Say a fox, same size as a bunny,

the same size as... That's really sizism. I feel, yeah, they're categorizing themselves by size. It's an issue of practicality. That's the reason there's no elephants

in Bunnyville. It's not animal racism. It's just like, if I am an elephant and I try and buy one of your homes, it just will be way too small for me.

Also, the reason why Zootopia works is because of the, how it's all the layout of it all. So it's got, like, savannahs, it's got ice, it's got all that kind of stuff. So bunny. It's catering to it all. Yeah. So Bunnyville only has really, you can only really live there

if you're a bunny or a fox or those kind of creatures. Yeah. So it's just naturally pushing people to be segregated because everyone just wants to be with their own kind. Well, yeah, or like-minded. Yeah, like-minded. I don't know if we said that. All right, okay.

Like-minded, like it should be. They look similar, which is just correct. That's me if we tried something similar in our world. It's funny because it happens naturally. Like-climatized, you know what I mean? So like the snow people are going to hang out with the... Well, that's something I was going to ask. The snow people, sure.

Something I was going to ask is... The word's coming out of my fucking mouth. So in Zootopia, there are giraffe people and there are elephant people. Yes. Where are they from? Are they from Zootopia, Africa? Yeah. Because there's savannas.

Yes. Clearly there had to have been savannas. So but are there... On the continent Zootopia exists on, are there savannas? There would have to be, maybe far out or towards the centre kind of thing. You know what I mean? Well, is it Earth? But, like, I can't remember the detail it goes into,

but apart from Bunnyville, how much do you see of the outer world of Peeps? Not much. Because Savannah could be right next to it. Why is it... Well, because they built Zootopia and they make a point of saying that it's got four sections designed. You get like Savannah land,

cold city, jungle, Zootopia. It feels like the cold one would be further away than Savannah, wouldn't it? But what I mean is that if it's Earth, where's this city? Because there's no Savannah, say, in Australia. What do you mean? It's like the middle of Australia.

That's not Savannah, it's desert. Well, it's a similar climate. No, but it's different. What do you mean? It's like the middle of Australia. That's not a savannah. That's a desert. Well, it's similar. Climate. No, but it's different. You can't take a giraffe from the savannah. You're the one picking Melbourne as the place. Like if they're in Africa. Yeah, well, that's what I mean.

If elephants are from Africa. Like Tunisia or something like that. Does that mean that they have to cross the water to come to this Zootopia? Well, I'd say either yes or this is one city of many. It's more like London. I think it's a... Yeah. If there are heaps of Zootopias out there,

I'm in. Don't get me wrong. I feel that there have to be different Zootopias. But they talk about how it's a one-off. So where the fuck are the elephants coming from? And someone hasn't... There's so much propaganda about it as well.

It does seem like very heavily propaganda, isn't it? Yeah. I was saying it before. There's one celebrity that's it as well. It does seem like very heavily propaganda, isn't it? Yeah. I was saying it before. There's one celebrity that's just state-sponsored to promote the agenda of the government. It screams corruption. In the 90s, like,

Oi, Kylie, Kylie, sing a song about Melbourne. Yeah. It could be real good. She does it and everyone just goes there and everyone sings along and loves it. The masses are completely indoctrinated in it. It's very strange. It's very upsetting.

Maybe just that police force. It's a whole fucking system. Yeah. Maybe like, here's the question though. Maybe like naturally, what it's saying is that our natural tendencies are not for togetherness. So we have to indoctrinate ourselves to live in this false society. But it's better for us. So is it good to indoctrinate ourselves to live in this false society. But it's better for us. So is it good to indoctrinate people to go against their natural instincts

for the betterment of society? That's the thing. I guess, yes, because I guess, you know, togetherness is great, but like communities of, say, bunnies or communities of foxes or communities of timbrels, that kind of stuff, they're like, yeah, we are a pack animal. But this is like cross-species pack animals. And so I guess they're trying to be like,

for our society not to go back to the dark times where we're just like fighting and eating and fucking. But at the same time, that's breaking down the family unit. They're breaking down the pack, just like society today. They're breaking down the family unit. Family first, guys. Yeah, that's what's not happening anymore. Everyone's just living on their own,

sitting in different rooms in their house. No one's having kids. You've got a giraffe in one room living with an elephant. It's all crazy. Get off your damn phones. Yeah, get off your damn phones. Talk with each other. Exactly.

Maybe there's something wrong with it. Maybe it's not right. Just saying. But that's the image that this world is showing. Here's the thing about humans Is that we're designed to be in tribes That's the way we rock it That's the way we've rocked it for

A couple thousand years At least A couple hundo And we're used to it right The world is only like Obviously Christian 2,000 years 6,000

What do they believe in? They counted the people who had kids. God put dinosaurs there to trick us. It was the Jews that did it. The conspiracy of the Jews. Heightened dino bones. It's so elaborate. Fucking idiots.

But so we are designed effectively to live in tribes. And that's why we get stressed about change and about people who are different from us because we're like different, not my tribe, panicking. And we're taking great leaps and bounds to get rid of that archaic way of thinking. But in Zootopia, it is infinitely more pronounced because like you say, you're a pack animal.

And if you take a wolf out of a pack, the wolf like freaks out and dies. It's kind of nice. And that's what it's doing. It's breaking down. Okay, I've read something about this recently, right? This is slightly tangential. But basically it's talking about how, okay, back in the day,

we used to have shamans and stuff like that and these pagan rituals. And even like 100 years ago, you'd have the witch doctors and churches doing things and all that. And we've certainly gotten rid of that. I read this book the hero with a thousand faces if you have that book joseph camp where he talks about like myth and the value of it yeah and talk about like in the modern era we don't have any of those rituals anymore and what we haven't thought of is maybe those rituals even though we don't realize helped us deal with shitting our heads that we didn't really think mattered yeah and now we've gotten so super rational i'm putting quotation marks around that i realize you can't see that but now we're going to

say okay good i'm glad um that we don't that we've ignored these base instincts that are part of who we are and it's actually caused this mass neuroses now you see in the western world especially like everyone's got these anxiety and all these things that's coming because we don't deal with these Western world especially. Everyone's got these anxiety and all these things coming up because we don't deal with these innermost urges and desires that we're trying to beat. But maybe we can't beat it, guys. Maybe we just can't.

Maybe you just can't accept the fact that people are different and you better stick with me and mine. So maybe segregation wasn't such a bad idea. maybe the natural thing is to get to a point where we fall into some sort of new segregation not necessarily across race lines you know maybe there could be a new version like that's what's actually technically that's what's kind of happening right we're going to segregate across tastes. How many generations does this go before you've got a clan of people who are like Lord of the Rings fans? Another clan who argue about Zootopia.

And they have kids and they argue about Zootopia. And then you've got these new tribes. But we just go back to it again. We just keep going back to just this tribalism. Because that's what we're good at. That's what we know. I guess back in high school, it was like, are you getting a Nintendo 64 or a PlayStation?

Yeah. And that caused a divide. Are you an Xbox or a PS4 guy? Are you Marvel or are you DC? We as humans, we're like, God, I need to be in a fucking tribe. I'm not in a fucking tribe. I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. Please put me in a box.

I need to be put in a box. Oh, my God, being put in a box makes everything so easy. And then your witch doctor comes along and he's like, do you feel bad? That's God. And you're like, sweet. Oh, that's great news. makes everything so easy. And then your witch doctor comes along and he's like, do you feel bad? That's God. And you're like, sweet! Oh, that's great news! I thought I just felt bad, but if it's God,

because I'm doing something, I can stop it. Oh my God. Such a relief. I miss witch doctors. Basically, yeah. How did we get here? So is Zootopia. Zootopia, yes. It's causing the divide to then not be across species, but across what? But everyone seems happy in Zootopia.

There's so much corruption, though. Exactly. You scratch the surface. You've got some deep racial issues that are just not going away. Judy hops a cop for what? A week? And she's already in bed with the mob? Like that. It doesn't take much. And she's already in bed with the mob? Like, that.

It doesn't take much, and she is already in bed with the mob. But, yeah, I guess. And she discovered all this crime really quickly, like, worryingly fast. Corruption is not that easy to sniff out. Like, you'd need a bit more time than that to really- Well, maybe Judy Hopps has just accepted that there's no way she, a rabbit, which the film already kind of like demonstrates,

is a, what the fuck's the word? Meaning? Subjugated? Segregated? Looked down on species within the Zootopia world. She knows that she's never going to be able to root out the corruption and all she can do is try to be the best cop she can be. But that never crosses her, well, you don't see it across her mind,

but it never outwardly expresses that. She's just kind of like in for a penny and for a pound. Maybe she's an idiot. I saved your daughter, now I'm, yep, we are like kin. This is what's happened. We're in bed together. She doesn't need to get the job done. Maybe we're assuming Judy Hopps is a good person.

She's actually gotten jaded really quickly, hasn't she? It's been a week and she's already, yeah, she's doing what needs to be done to get the show finished. She is not a good person. No, maybe Judy Hopps is just, like the movie makes us think she's a good person because of music and emotional cues, but maybe she's just like lawfully evil.

Yeah, she's like a snake character. Yeah, she's like- Not a bunny. We got to do what we got to do. Yeah, you're right. If she was a snake, you'd be like, this is messed up. A couple of different emotional cues, change some dialogue a bit, and you're like, this is a person dealing with a corrupt city. Yeah, this is a criminal, infiltrating the

police system and taking over the whole thing. The whole point of this film, she works with a fox who is a notorious scam artist, and she uses blackmail to get him to work and goes back on her word when he's like, my part is done. But he's like, no, you're not. Judy Harps is a bad person. She gets away with it is because she's a bunny. So we are the bad ones for not realizing because she looks cute.

But we're just the ones that they can use. Come on now. We're going to bleep that. But maybe it's not that she's a bad person. You're just looking at like an animated kids film. So swap the genre from animated kids film to gritty crime drama. Here's a woman. She's not allowed in the police force.

Let's get rid of the metaphor. She's not allowed in the police force. Everyone's like, oh, you're weak. But obviously she's not, but she realizes the only way she's going to make it in this police force. Wait, is she the only female in the police force? No, no, no. She's the only rabbit. Yeah, yeah. And she's like, the only way I'm going to make it in this place is she the only female in the police force no no no she's the only rabbit yeah and she's like the only way i'm

going to make this is if i get down and dirty the only way i'm going to get any respect or get anything done in the corrupt police force if i jump in the mud with the rest of these assholes and so it's a man's world it's a man's world so judy hobbs has to go down to their level it's a predator's world it's a predator's world if she wants any respect in that police force she would never get respect in that police force Unless Judy Hopps went out of her way to solve that crime And solving that crime means breaking a few eggs Fuck it, that's what she's gotta do

But that's the whole problem of this system It is corrupt through and through But that's not Judy's fault She's just a victim of the system Like everyone else And we still haven't talked about the fucking okay yes we can do that judy hobbs is gonna fuck a fox that's so good is that the implication god of course it's the implication they're in love fucks dicks are barbed judy hobbs is so little what's it gonna look like

and the thing's like what but it's it's good that they can right isn't it progressive it's part of this but this is like this is like a evangelical christian's nightmare like this is way past men with men like this is giraffes fucking shrews you got horses giving it to walruses zootopia more like utopia You got horses giving it to walruses. Zootopia more like utopia. Talk about breaking down boundaries. That is where the real work gets done. Yeah, look me in the eye and tell me that those nudists are those hippies.

They're not fucking 24-7. Every goddamn day they are going for it. But they've messed up with these animators, like, making very clear the fact that they're not showing their genitalia. So you just, like, have to imagine it? Just sitting there forced to imagine a bloody bear's dick? Like, come on, guys. Think of the orgies that they're having.

Oh, they must be wild. But you'd have to, like, there'd be definitely animals that, like, are preferred, guys. Think of the orgies that they have. Oh, they must be wild. But you'd have to, like, there'd be definitely animals that, like, are preferred, surely. Surely. There'd be speciesism going on hard in terms of, like, there'd be definitely some animals which are better than, like, no one wants to have sex with a hedgehog, right? It's just, it's practically difficult, you know?

And the size issue comes back again. If you're a giraffe, you cannot have sex with a hedgehog. You'd want to be, like, mid-range size if you're an animal because then you've got the most range of... Most predators have a... Unless you're, like, a giraffe, you cannot have sex with a hedgehog. You'd want to be like mid-range size if you're an animal, because then you've got the most range of... Most predators have a... Unless you're like a giraffe, right? Yeah, anybody can go to town on a giraffe. Unless you're like a shrew-sized queen,

then that's going to be painful for you. Oh, shit. But you'll work at it, because you're a trooper. But like... So, isn't animal penises not designed for other animal vaginas or animal buttholes. So, I just feel it's just going to be fraught with- Just the mouths and tongues.

I guess, no, no. Get your rabbit dick. Mouths and tongues. Yeah, man. Hands, I guess. And other things, like as in we've got animals now. Yeah, like tails? Pouches?

Pouches. Pouches. Someone jizz in my pouch. I'm good for it. There's got to be some new orifices going on. Oh, fuck, for sure. Cloacas? Cloacas.

It's basically- Oh, monotremes. Yeah, and echidnas. What do echidnas and that fall into this? I don't know. You never see any. You see a koala. Yeah, but they're not monotremes.

I don't know. Maybe they're like half people. You'd feel disappointed being one of those animals that doesn't have a penis or vagina. You'd be a wasted opportunity. Wait, do they still have the penis bone? You know how some animals have- Kill them? Yeah, they have a penis bone?

Yeah, maybe. That's going to- I'm more worried about the animals that don't have genitals. What are these? They just miss out. No, wait. What are the animals that don't have genitals? What do you mean?

The ones with like spray spores and shit. Oh, right. Spores. Wait, what animals spray spores? don't have genitals? What do you mean? The ones with like spray spores and shit. Oh, right, spores. Wait, what animals spray spores? Do chickens have dicks? Like, do roosters have dicks? No, they... Well, they're a bird, but they have like...

They're a bird, yeah. They're kind of like, yeah. Slam cloacas together. Slam cloacas together. Yeah. I think most mammals have dicks and giants. It's a cloaca. It's like an all-in-one.

It's an every hole. It's an all-in-one. Yeah, yeah. You piss your shit and you fuck with it. Gross. Not great. But like birds, they're not included. We don't have to worry about cloacas.

I'm trying to think of any other mammals that... Apart from the platypus. Yeah, those monotremes that have weird genitals. I don't think there are no other... I think every animal has a basic genital situation. And even if the genital was barbed, you'd find a way to work

around it. I guess you'd have to condom that. Yeah, there'd probably be condoms designed for your barbed penis. Whoa, man, that'd be a huge range of condoms. Can you imagine the industry? Can you imagine how much money you would make in the sex industry? Fuck, man. It's sex. It boggles the mind. Everyone wants to fuck that gazelle. Fuck, man. Next level. It's sex. It boggles the mind.

Because, yeah, everyone wants to fuck that gazelle. Yeah. Like, everyone does. Everyone in this room. It's like, am I right, boys? Do you think that?

Look, she's definitely an attractive gazelle. She's an attractive gazelle. Look, I mean, she's, in terms of attractive animals, she's up there. She's up there with, like, Nala. Nala and, like, Robin Hood. Like, she's,

they're the sexy animals, I can tell you. Yeah. up there with like Nala. Nala and like Robin Hood. Like she's, they're the sexy animals I can think of. Were there some more? Were there other sexy ones in it? I can't remember. In Zootopia? The majority. They're all down for it. I'm good to give it.

Like Hopsies. She's baby. She's baby. She's a sexy rabbit. I know. She's mousy but like in a cute way. But she's also tough. That's good. And I like that. I like that. It's goodousy, but like in a cute way. But she's also tough. That's good. And I like that.

I like that. It's good. The fox. And the cheetah. You're a chubby chaser. Right there. They're all very sexy animals. And I think that's what it's all been really leading up to,

is how much we want to fuck the animals in Zootopia. If you're a predator and you're a fucking prey, does that fuck with your brain? What if you're a prey fucking predator? Does that fuck with your brain? Or if you're a prey fucking predator Does that fuck with your brain? Prey fucking predators would be like You're giving it back You'd be loving it

It's like what I assume it's like Back in the day when a black guy had sex with a white woman Yeah Now I'm going against it I'm taking it back Imagine brothels where you've got a predator All tied up in leathers And there's prey

Pretending to eat it Like a power play fantasy brothels where you've got a predator all tied up in leathers and there's prey pretending to eat it. Like a power play fantasy where the prey's like on his neck and he's like, yeah, I'm getting eaten. I'm the prey. You're the predator. I'm guessing vor. Big deal. Sexual fetish of being

eaten or eating others. Or living in a stomach would be huge. Yeah, that would be like yeah and if you're a prey maybe you're into you're like i like the power thing of like being chased by exactly yeah you'd want to have the whole like uh getting taken yeah like you'd be like let's go out into the countryside and you could just like chase me for a bit get the heart pounding and then we just fuck i really like the idea of like a brothel and you know like there's that i'm gonna pretend like a you know that scene you know that scene in like in like a movie where they're in the brothel and they're like opening up the doors or what you see

the different fetishes that you know like somebody's getting their butt spanked or somebody's getting jizzed or whatever and you just like open one and it's just like a field or like a rabbit caught in like a trap being like help me yeah but it's actually really good they're dealing with these fetishes like in a healthy yeah oh absolutely that's great with their base instincts and they're like look i have this instinct that i want to eat you yeah but obviously i know that we live in a society where that's not okay but we can express this healthily find somebody that wants to be eaten you mock it up your orgasm it's great exactly yeah geez everyone everyone's feeling good yeah yeah you reach orgasm and everyone has a good time and then nobody feels

like eating each other or being eaten anymore because you got all that sexual frustration out of there it's basically half because i'm starting to see like yes it's it's a post it's a it's a it's like a post-base instinct world. Yeah, yeah. For something better, I don't know. We've moved, they've moved beyond it. There's corruption, sure, but, like, I think there's societal corruption. But I'm guessing if the sex is like this, I guess that's something else.

It's more price to pay. I guess that's very progressive. Yeah, I would call it progressive. You'd probably give it, like, you'd give it a go. Oh, my God, of course. Like. If I found myself transported into the Zootopia world, I would be like, sexual buffet.

As me, Jackson, I'd be like, my goodness, what an opportunity. Who wants to have sex with a hairless freak? You're saying this. Oh, you're still you. Oh, I see. You're saying this. You realise that's just you walking into any zoo. A local Melbourne man caught a fucking animal

kept claiming he was living in Zootopia. It's a post-natural urge world. It sounds good. Please, sir, please step away. Please stop violating the polar bear. Why is he in the monkey enclosure? Get him out of there. Tranked in the neck.

Down. But no, in Zootopia there are people... What is he doing to that rhinoceros? It's fine. It's not... Yes. It's all well and good because it's animated. Yeah, exactly. They're alive. What? That wasn't my issue, exactly. They're alive. What? That wasn't my issue. What?

They're conscious. Sounds like he's still alive. They're alive. Well, good, I guess. Realized that was a real question. What were you imagining, Jackson? I'm glad we found ourselves right here. So I guess...

That's where it was going to end. Of course. Zootopia, by its very nature, has to be corrupt because I think they need not just systematically corrupt, they kind of need those systems in place to kind of stop the general populace from kind of thinking a bit too big about some of the actual issues that are there to kind of face. That corrupt really, it helps everything, smoothens everything over.

Firstly, is it any more corrupt than anywhere? Probably not. It's probably much the same. And it probably has a larger benefit than corruption in our world. In our world, it just makes some people rich and some people poor. In that world, it's giraffes and dogs. Or is our world corrupt legitimately as well? Oh, shit.

What are they keeping us from realizing? What can I fuck that I haven't built? Exactly. Dolphins? They're straight away. Someone classifies dolphins as non-human people. Who isn't? Some scientist, I'm sure, did.

But, yeah, I guess it's extremely corrupt and they sort of need that corruption. At least they need a good kind of corruption because the first corruption of, like, the lion, the mayor protecting everyone, like, yeah, he was doing it for the greater good. Because, of course, without that corruption, there was strife. There was mayhem. There was problems.

That's happening constantly, like CIA and stuff, withholding everyone all the time. He was very much in the – he was corrupt for very good reasons. I don't think it's corrupt then. Is that corrupt? I don't think so. Now that we get down to it. Withholding information, that's not –

Withholding information for the general public. What is the definition of corruption? That's a good point. Because he was doing it for his own political gain, wasn't he? He was doing it to protect the populace, but he was also doing it for his own political gain. Because there was an election coming up. So it was corruption, but he was doing it for the right reasons.

Well, that's the thing. So he was kind of, it was corruption, but he was doing it for the right reasons. Well, that's the thing. If you are living in a world where you have these base instincts happening all the time, to make sure that the world doesn't erupt into chaos, you just, you got to be a little sneaky. Yeah, you know, definition of corruption. Dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery, but dishonest or fraudulent conduct, yeah. So yeah, he was being very dishonest.

Wow, everyone is very corrupt. Everyone is extremely corrupt. It's necessary corruption, though. It is. You know, it's there with the shrews and it's all the way up to the fucking, you know, giraffes. Yeah, and like, I don't know. It's weird because, yeah, you've got to control the masses. Like, that's kind of what we're saying.

It's a fragile system you've got. Yeah, and it seems like a weird thing to talk about because you want to be like trying to use it as an xp for our world but it's not and we have to accept that that is a world where people have weird animal instincts happening all the time you can revert a puma to a basic puma like that whoa a little bit of meth i'm pretty sure we're the same like as in with a little bit of me i'd say you've seen every single apocalypse movie it was like basically that the fact that the law goes we can do what we like but that's all this is this is just the law controlling people's tendencies yeah i guess in a way because it'd be the law because you actually actually yeah so yeah yeah like with you know judyps is very out fronted by all these naked animals

because it's part of the law which is to wear clothes that's what's normal it's against the law to eat someone but as we said at the top of the show there's probably some black market delicious prey meat going for sale and if the world ended tell me you guys wouldn't be nude

and eating people exactly wait till the world ends go for it The world ended. Tell me you guys wouldn't be nude and eating people. Exactly. I mean, why wait till the world ends? Go for it. Strip off and go to town. Hungriest man wins. So I think it's corrupt, but the corruption goes further and further.

Like there's propaganda that's happening here. The whole Zootopia system is just built on corruption But there's a corruption to keep everyone at peace Yeah For the greater good For the greater good For the greater good For the greater good For the greater good

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