Plumbing the Death Star - How Would You Handle the Extension of Life Shown in Avatar: The Way of the Water?

Episode Date: December 18, 2022

This week on Plumbatar, the boys ask the burning questions we've all been dying to know since we all got wet Pandora depression after seeing Avatar: The Way of Water. The boys take a herb to see Hurb, slurp down whale cream to extend their life (it's their brain!) and try to figure out what has ruined Earth. The current leading theory is hünk-jobs leading to societal collapse and/or Godzillas. This the third episode of Plumbatar, a Plumbing the Death Star miniseries to celebrate the release of Avatar: Way of Water. What better way to spend December than with ya boys as we all get collectively depressed that we can't be on the magical world of Pandora and being wet Na'vi. We See You.Buy our terrible merch here and check out the Bad Brain Boys on Apple Podcasts at apple.co/badbrainboys. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Ahem. You're listening to the Sans Fans Network. Hello, and welcome to episode three of Plummetar. I see you. I see you. I see you. I'm Joel. I'm Jackson.

And I'm also Joel. This month, we asked the important questions all about our beloved favorite franchise. And this week, we come to you with a very special gift, a question that relates solely to Avatar The Way of the Water. And that important question is, how would you handle the extension of life shown in Avatar The Way of the Water? So a couple of huge revelations. Yes.

From Avatar. Just offhand, casually one sentence. Well, one, they make a bit of a big deal out of it. Fair enough. Because you see the character also spoil his way of the water, but you fucking figured it out. Well done. You're still here. Congratulations.

Proud of you. One of them, because you see a character deal with it. Yes, yeah, yeah. So they focus maybe 10 or 15 minutes in the movie on it. One. One sentence. One sentence. One sentence offhandedly said as though it's not a big deal.

And the character who it is said to doesn't react. Yeah, they don't seem to care about it. They're just like, oh, yeah, fine. So these are the ones. They're more focused about the money part of the thing. 80 million. 80 million. That's a lot of dollar.

Is the price of a life worth that? Yeah, is it worth that much? I'm going to guess. It is. Yeah, it is. They've asked and they answered. Yes. So here's the ways that they extend life.

I can think of two. Zaman has a third one. There was a third one, which is kind of more of a spiritual extension. Oh, okay. All right, you live in Eor for ever. Yeah, okay. So that's the first one. We see this in Avatar 1.

Yeah, you get sucked into the tree. You get sucked off into the cloud. You get sucked off into the tree, yeah. But we don't see it because we don't know what it's like. And then in an Avatar way of water, we do see what it's like. Yeah, that is true. That is true. I guess just experiencing our life, and then our loved ones come and visit us.

They come and watch us. We don't know where they're at. It seems like we just experience our memories but also if you want to, because people can plug into Iowa to jump into our memories or their memories of us. But they just have to...

Wait, no, you maybe do know you're dead because Grace knows that she has a daughter. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe she knew she was pregnant. But maybe that's Kiri. Or is it Kiri's just dream? No, that is her dream.

She's also having a seizure, remember? Yeah, that's true. That's true. That bit's unclear. No, but I thought that was dead. No, because the little boy who dies in Avatar 2 doesn't know he's dead. Because he's like, Dad, why are you sad? And he's like, because you caught that big fish.

I'm sad because the fish is dead'm sad i'm sad about the fish yeah because it's weird because that seems like a memory at first but then the boy jumps up and jumps around in age the vibe is like you basically can ride your own memories yeah it's like a passive observer with limited control but then the teary pops up because she's also just watch yeah yeah yeah anyway so that's one, a complicated way that you can extend your life. Which is one that is more spiritual. More spiritual and more familiar maybe. Similar to like the

ancestral planes in Black Panther basically. Exactly. Take a herb, see shit. Take a herb, see herb, if your grandpa's name was Herb. Take a herb, see a herb. And this is Hunk in See Hunk. If your grandpa's name was Hunk. Hi a Herb, see a Herb. And this is Hunk in See Hunk. Yeah, exactly.

If your grandpa's name was Hunk. Hi, I'm Hunk Avatar. Welcome to Pandora. That's a perfect name. So the other two ways that they showed that you extend life. Should we start with the one that the movie's about a little bit? Yes, I think that's a good idea. And then we'll save the best for last. Okay, so it is now possible to basically upload your consciousness into into i guess a usb basically which then can be implanted into avatars they no longer require an entire body plugged into like a tub but they clearly always

had this as well because they do it just before they do it to, um, Steven Lang, Steven Lang. Yeah. Just before he goes out to fight Jake Sully in the first movie, but it only takes, it's like five or six years to get to Pandora. Yeah. It's been 13. Yeah. So, but they,

but he uploads his consciousness before. And that's what he says. Oh, right. Sorry. Yeah. Cause Rabisi is like, fucking,

he's like, well, I'm at the side of the camera or whatever. Rabisi is like, Oi, dickhead, this is you. He puts like a, a weird's like, what am I meant to say to the camera or whatever? But he's like, oi, dickhead, this is you. He puts like a weird

flash drive which has kind of glowing goo in it. It's like, this is your brains and your personality. This is who you are right now.

We're putting this into an avatar, okay? Got any questions? Too bad. Shut up. This is a video. You're dead. My question there is,

because they're just chucking it into an avatar because, well, he has a question there is, because they're just chucking it into an avatar because, well, he has a mission, which is to kill Jake Sully on Pandora, and avatars are great for this. But I'm assuming we can just put this in. Well, let's say I was like a clone of the original body, but then I'm like, or a pig. Yeah, how do you? Or a pig.

Just put it with a pig. Depends how it works. Because presumably, the avatar, like the avatars, not the Na'vi. I know that we often just say avatar and mean both.

For to mean the Na'vi, but yes, the avatar. The actual avatar program, they're grown in tubes. Yes. And they take years to mature and whatever.

And they're connected to like computers and shit. Yeah. And based on the way that you like honk in and whatever, not honk in, use the wrong word.

When you fucking lie down in the pod and then you get put in the avatar. Okay, yeah, sure, sure, sure. So clearly computers are involved. So that must mean that you can probably, knowing sci-fi bullshit, it'll be like, run a fucking phantom plug where you put this drive in and it thinks that there's a person No, but it must have something to do with the hair.

And I say this because I just had a revelation. So in the way of water, when anybody hunks into the world to see each other's memories or to go into Iowa, we get the same tunnel that Jake Sully gets when he goes into his avatar. We do. Yes. Yes, we do. Correct.

Good point. It's exactly the same tunnel, which means that, wait, what is happening? Well, that means that it would be the same. So the same, basically the same sensation you get of when you form a bond with someone. A horse. Or a whale. Or a memory. A horse, a whale, or a memory.

Or a horse's memory. A horse, whale, whale's memory. Or a tree. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That sensation you get must be the same sensation you feel when you originally plug into an avatar. Yeah. So basically it's the same sensation, but you don't have the hair yet. Yes.

Or they've created an artificial hair. Or Wi-Fi. Well, well. You can't go too far, but when you go to sleep okay you wake up and the body but then you are way no because quadric can still he can still honk in so he's not like jake could too yeah yeah yeah that's fine but like the the memory in that whatever you're thinking they just like plugged in his hair dick into the well i don't know but okay what about this what about this i am still standing by the fact i am still standing by the fact that we haven't even got to the most

fucked off the car no god i still stand by the fact that what is happening is that in the other like they've pretty much set up like a dummy plug yeah where the personality has gone into that and it's like a fake body so he's been avatared that way ah see i just assumed it was just um like slot in the back of their brain nah download no i think i think i agree with you they will have in one tube they'll have the avatar or like and they'll be able to plug it somewhere into the tube and then it'll basically go in through the hair yeah so pretty the same, like a simplified one person version of the way that Jake does it. Gotcha. And then.

Yeah. A dummy plug instead of a human. So an upload. And then it's like a complete upload. Yeah. Did they just manage to do what they tried to like, so what Jake and the, like all of the Na'vi.

Oh my God, you're right. What they tried to do with theOI the spiritual kind of thing to upload your consciousness completely and lead to an avatar yeah

and that took like a lot of spirit did we just science that well because to the point where you could just like fast track it also I guess

with that memory can you copy paste yeah can we just have like two guys yeah if that happens in Avatar 3 if there's two Stephen Langs.

And they'll fight each other. Fuck. And fuck. Oh, what happens? You hook into, well, I guess nothing.

Hook, hook, and then start punching. I remember that sandwich. Cause if I was the military there, first off, I'd be like, what do you mean?

So this guy that we sent off to do it, fucked up. He died and he failed like a big fuck. Yeah, let's send him again. No, no, he's a big loser. The reason he lost the first time is he wasn't a Na'vi. Good point. Also, he almost won.

Yeah, he was pretty close. Good point, actually. He just got arrowed in the chest. Because each one of those was like a cool five billy, yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which we know is a lot of money because of something that gets sent to a third option. So if I was getting a bunch of like, okay, they've all

been, because a lot of Jarheads get uploaded. Yeah, into Na'vi bodies. Why didn't they just do Steve Lang? Well, because presumably the other Jarheads are just as good. Well, they weren't. Oh yeah, we've got evidence of that. The arrows at the chest say otherwise. Yeah, they weren't both in Avatar evidence of that. The arrows in the chest say otherwise.

They weren't both in Avatar Un and Avatar Dos. Yeah, I suppose. Or they were in Avatar Un and Avatar Dos, but now they're sadly not going to be in Avatar Trey. But they might because they copy and paste. Yeah, they could just upload them again. It'd be so funny if the movie just constantly keeps having the same bad guys die over and over. Because it is just data, right?

Yeah. And if you have data, you can copy and paste it. Yeah, and it clearly doesn't take a toll on the human body because Stephen Lang's fine. Stephen Lang especially recovers really quickly. Yeah. He's like, I'm what? I'm an avatar?

All right, I'm in. He punches a couple of guys in the head, which is awesome because before he realizes he's an avatar, he's just punching Na'vi in the head. I don't awesome because before he realizes he's an avatar yeah he's just punching navi in the head i don't care i will punch a giant who gives a fuck yeah i think as well to explain the way that the fact that when you hunk into a tree and when you go into your avatar body it's the same cosmic tunnel yeah we said in previous episodes that presumably the military or possibly knows how to create a honking tube yes so presumably it's just they've created it's the same technology based on

that so it's the same honking transfer it's just that this one is done over wi-fi basically through a signal rather than a physical tube yeah i have to assume i would have assumed when they're making the body of say the avatar that Stephen Lang gets in I would assume you could either just like put the hair dick onto it and it just like sucks it up and uploads into his brain

so you're imagining that they forced like they just well they made the avatar grab this hair dick put it in but it's all his DNA as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, it's his DNA. Oh yeah, it is his DNA because he looks like it. Yeah, it's his DNA too.

Younger. Younger? Well, no, that makes sense. He probably jerked off into the avatar, you know, whatever tub they need. No, no, no. But Jackson, that means that the body is grown from the memory. Because like... It from the memory. It's DNA memory.

Or they've used something we haven't mentioned yet. Yeah. And they've rubbed it in the gums of the Avatar and de-aged it. No, but it doesn't de-age you. It's probably worth addressing the third option presented in this movie. In this movie, if you haven't seen it, you should see it. But in this movie, they are hunting basically Avatar whales. Yeah. There's a big

Pandora whale. Pandora whale, excuse me. Big whaling element. The reason that they are whaling these whales is because these whales are basically guys. Well, they're actually more intelligent and more spiritual and more not psycho. Sentient and sapient. Creative. Philosophical.

Philosophical is the word I was looking for. Than humans. They're way better than us and also they're whales. And also they're fucking awesome whales. They've got religion. They could probably paint if they could.

So these whales, but here's the more awesome than all of that is that in these whales' brain, the emotion center or whatever, you can basically tap that and you get this awesome juice. Yellow juice.

You're like fucking maple syrup this year. Yeah, and what it does is it stops human aging and a tube costs 80 million dollars yeah did it say i guess we had we didn't know because once again it was very off-handed yeah is it stops human aging or does it stop human aging for a bit no because they say it slows human aging yeah and it's really good at it it's actually so good at it that it stops it yeah okay okay so it completely stops human aging and it's really good at it. It's actually so good at it that it stops it. Yeah.

Okay, okay, okay. So it completely stops human aging. At first they say slows and then they're like, actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So,

death is not an issue. Well, dying of old age isn't an issue. Yeah. But what does that generally mean

when it stops human aging? Yeah. Does that mean like appearance? We just look the same? Or does it stop our cells breaking down? Do I have a 31 year old dick physically but an

85 year old? Inside of dick. Yeah, do I have beautiful unwrinkled foreskin but horrible dusty balls? Shriveled raisins for testicles. But the sack is lovely.

No, the sack's perfect. Beautiful, gorgeous, youthful scrotum. Ancient, rotten testicles. Yeah, like little black, rotting raisins. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, could possibly. The film is unclear on that point. Stops human aging.

Leaves your balls dusty But only on the inside The outside nice and youthful Anyway 80 million dollars Money well spent Exactly to have youthful balls How do you think they use that Well I was just thinking

I was thinking as a cream or something I was imagining in cosmetics Because you don't actually get heaps from one whale. So actually the amount you're sending back to Earth, which is a massive journey, is probably not a lot. So it's probably better to put a little bit diluted in something that'll make you a little bit more useful for a bit. But it's not full on stopping the aging process. Also, because, yeah, if you do that, like you full on stop the aging process. Well, that's just one time. Yeah, exactly., if you do that, like you full on stop the aging process, well that's just one time.

I don't want that at all. But if you're like, if you keep drinking my cream, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Slurp down my cream. Slurp down. Hi, I'm Jackson Cream Bailey. We hunt the best, most sexy whales on Vandor.

She can slurp down my cream. We mine them for their delicious cream. It's in their brains. You're actually putting whale emotion on your face. But it leaves you youthful and sexy in the whale's fucking den.

Drink my cream. It's funny that I was like, I imagine you drink it. You're like, no, cosmetics. You slurp it down. Like lipstick. Is it only adult whales as well? Like, I imagine you drink it. You're like, no, cosmetics. You slurp it down. Like lipstick or whatever. Is it only adult whales as well? Because I noticed they didn't kill that calf. It must be.

Well, the calf died, though. Yeah. But they didn't mine it. Yeah. Well, I guess, like, the emotional core wouldn't have been grown fully yet. It might be an older whale is better material because it's had more time to develop, you know, over the years or whatever. So what, so if you are stopping human aging, what does that do to a society? Well, is this a thing where they, because they also, and also they offhandedly. Yeah.

Very expensive. They also offhandedly do mention Earth's fucked. Yeah. Earth is destroyed and the people of Earth have moved to Pandora to colonize it. So it's pretty bad. Which means also I think, not just Earth is fucked, but anything that we could have

colonized in our solar system is fucked, right? So our moon is fucked. Mars fucked. Elon fucked it. Elon fucked Mars up big time. He tried to launch SpaceX into Mars, crashed, exploded Mars. There was Mart up big time. He tried to launch SpaceX into Mars, crashed, exploded Mars. There was Martians already there.

People were upset until they realized that Elon Musk was now dead. So that was alright. They were like, look, the future of humanity not going to Mars, worth it. Yeah, a fine sacrifice. Mars is fucked, I guess. Any of the moons of

say Saturn, Jupiter, like Phoebe and whatnot? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Phoebus? No, no, no. Phoebe from Friends. Phoebe? Ross from Friends.

Joey from Friends. Phobos? I think it's Phobos. Joey from Friends. Joey, Phoebe, Goonzy. Ross, Rachel, all the chandles. I'll be there for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Gunter from the scoff shop. The remembrance. Yeah, the remembrance. Because I was going to say, I was going to be like, oh, I guess presumably the reason they've gone to Pandora. The clap. The clap from friends. I wonder if the clap still exists.

Oh, what weird, strange new STIs we're getting from Na'vi. Hell yeah. Could a human getting from Na'vi. Hell yeah. Could a human fuck a Na'vi? Well, Spider wants to definitely go to town on... I don't see why a human couldn't. And this is something I hope we see... Genitals. Well, yeah, but we still are very unclear on the genital issue with Na'vi.

I don't know if we did see this or not, but when one of the kids is born and they're holding it up, did we maybe get tiny little... We got tails. ...narvy dick. I don't remember narvy dick. I don't think there was a little narvy dick in Avatar. But there is a scene where the kids...

There's nipples, definitely. There's nipples, definitely, but there's also a scene where the kids in Avatar Way of Water are yelling at each other and one of them calls the other one penis head. Therefore, one has to wonder how she learned about a penis if nobody's got a penis,

except Spider probably does. Yeah, Spider does. Yeah. They would have genitals, because how else are they... Well, I think we've discussed this. We definitely have, and we're going to do it again.

I think the decision was that they must have some kind of genital. Yeah. I think this discussion happened last week. And also, with the water tribe, the chief's wife is pregnant, and assumedly it's like one child to the gestation. And plus, the theory has one, so they're having one kid each gestation. If I find out it's like fingering a membrane or something, I'll be very upset.

I'll be the very opposite. Also, Jake is never really like just mad. You know what I mean? He doesn't have a penisless rage. You know? Yeah, but now he's got a hair dick. Yeah, that's true. But it's a different situation.

If you had, okay, you swap true. But it's a different situation. Okay, you swap your dick. It's gone. Sad. But now you've got a new dick. Yeah, congratulations. Thank you. Then you've got a new dick that you can just put in things. Yeah, but it doesn't necessarily give me an orgasm like my old dick did.

Yeah, but it looks pretty awesome. Yeah, but I'm also putting that in a horse. So? That's sick. Couldn't put my old dick in a horse. Could not put your putting that in a horse. So? That's sick. Couldn't put my old dick in a horse. Could not put your old dick in a horse. Or a tree. You mean you could, you shouldn't.

Or a dog or a bird. Or a bird. Or a water bird. Or a fish or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A whale's mouth. Yeah, I put my hair dick in a whale's throat. Yeah, because, again, I don't know if this was like a card or we're seeing like the extended

edition or whatever, but when they hunk into each other, as in Jake in the Theory, but they're also sort of straddling each other as well. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think they must have some kind of genitals. Thank God, genitals. Why were we debating this again?

I don't remember. We just like doing it, I guess. Damn it. Damn it. It was human, Na'vi, I guess. Damn it. Damn it. It was human, Na'vi, STI. That's right. Spider wants to make sweet love to Kiri and vice versa. Well, here's something I wonder.

If you got one of those, the honking tube, and you just put it on a human being, what would happen? Nothing. Put a human penis inside one. Okay. That would feel awesome. Because it opens up.

Oh, yeah. It opens up. It's all writhing and wriggling. Yeah. Dude, give me a hunk job. Babe, can you give me a real quick hunk job before I go to work? Sucks that Spider had to experience puberty growing up on Pandora. Watching everybody else get hunk jobs.

Yeah, a blowjob would really lose its allure after a hunk job. Absolutely. It's like 12 tongs in a mouth. 12 of what I imagine are very tingly tongs. Kind of a little bit electric. It's like electric getting your knob a bit. Yeah, like putting a battery On your tongue Slash knob

Yeah yeah yeah That's awesome Go back to earth And having to like Every time you get a blowjob Having to hold a battery Up to your nuts Putting it just in your gooch

Just like under your nuts Holding Yeah I just need to do this I got a hunk job On Pandora And it fucked me right up You don't need to explain it to me babe I get it I get it.

I get it. It's a common problem here on Earth. I got batteries up me too. It's actually one of the core problems to why Earth has fallen. Too many people got hunk jobs in it. It's ruined society. Well, okay.

Let's get back to the topic. In a destroyed Earth, where you can cure aging, who is taking advantage of that i think this is where the fact that they offhandedly say this and how it's super valuable and stuff like that yeah in the earth that we are just briefly described i don't actually think that this is going to prevent death nor is it going to be particularly useful and would probably only be used by the extremely wealthy. Because if Earth's fucked,

it doesn't matter how young you look. When the bombs fall... That's true, yeah. Good point. When the pollution chokes, you're just breathing in the smog with younger lungs. Or again, if it's just your outside... Yeah, old dusty lungs. Old dusty lungs and your shriveled, shriveled, shriveled nuts.

Your old tongue. Your old tongue. Yeah, your old tongue sucking in the dust. Young lips, old tongue doesn't extend to anything inside for some reason. It's cosmetic. Yeah, yeah. If it is cosmetic, sure. But I'm assuming it stops it aging from a cellular level, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You have to kind of almost make that assumption. It depends what has happened on Earth. Because if Earth is having an issue, say, with fertility, with fertility as fertility dropped yeah okay is it an aging population i don't think fertility is dropped oh no it was young yeah yeah i get this the assumption i would treat spider like way more of a like yeah i assume it's just a pollution clogged it's it's a it's a climate change destroyed war-torn fuckered yeah i think it is is like more pollution because when we'd see Jake in any of the either extended

cuts or any deleted scenes from Back on Earth it does seem a bit more yeah it's just like there's no greenery yeah yeah yeah it's like

oh yeah hunk into my brain or Grace's brain see what they did to Earth we fucked it they're gonna do it to you so I think we just like really just ruined

any kind of sense of greenery do you think that anybody uses the um the titanium no yeah i don't know what we were gonna do with that really also uh now that we they were talking about the um power it provides power um little robot crab boys but the robot ones yeah they were like they can put up a whole structure in like six hours? Yeah, yeah. Six days. Six days maybe? Yeah, yeah. Six days is what would have taken us a year. Yeah, yeah. So we assumedly also have that technology on Earth.

Yeah. So are we constantly building on Earth, like upgrading? To escape. Yeah, I don't know. Not to escape. It's just to kind of like, well, we are constantly making buildings. Maybe Godzilla's real in this one. Okay, yeah, yeah. They don't elaborate on that in the movie, but he could be.

They don't say there's not a Godzilla. Well, you wouldn't say. Not be a real. Because if Godzilla was real, it would be so normal you wouldn't bring it up. Yeah, you see what we did to Earth. We woke up Godzilla. You wouldn't say it. They would be like, what's this big lizard?

And you'd be like, oh, you wouldn't know. Yeah, that's Godzilla. Yeah, we woke him up. Yeah, he came out of the sea after a nuclear bomb got dropped. It's actually no big deal for us. He's wrecked Earth entirely. I'm bored of it, to be honest. So yeah, it depends how much of the whale juice you need to stop you aging as well.

So like one tube of whale juice, how many people can then eat that? Yeah, is it just like a couple of drops? Or is it like you need to drink the whole thing? In my mind. Does it taste like a couple of drops? Or is it like you need to drink the whole thing? In my mind. Does it taste like egg? I imagine it tastes awesome. In my mind, it tastes like kind of orangeade for some reason. I was thinking oily.

Oily blood. That's less fun. It did not look at all tasty. And it's from a whale's brain. Yeah, so it could be briny. I appreciate that. Briny, oily. Nevertheless, to me, it looked like orange.

You know, hamburgers? Yeah. Oh, it looks like orange juice. I won't age, which means, unfortunately, I will never experience forgetting this memory. I would like a lot to throw up, but then I will age, so I have to keep it down. I imagine if you drink about one Red Bulls worth, then you'll be okay.

I was imagining either cream or an injection. Oh, really? Well, why? Injection would be awesome. Can we imagine why this would keep us going? What's the science here? I'm assuming it is...

Emotions. They... Stem cells? Yeah. Pandoran stem cells? Is it good to put alien stem cells in your body? Well, in this world? Yes.

I mean, we've tried it a couple of times and it seems to have worked. Jake has alien stem cells in his body. Jake is alien stem cells. Yeah, but he was a guy and then he put his guy in a different guy. No, he put his consciousness in an alien body. He's not a mix. This is like, I don't

know. How do you know? Jake is a mix. Look how many fingers he's got. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's kind of different from a human body that you're injecting or suddenly just putting a bunch of Pandora, not even Pandora and like Navi, just whale juice inside you. I don't know.

It seems concerning to me, to be honest. Don't think it'll be good for you? I think you might accidentally become a whale. I think- Jackson, are you familiar with the concept of eating? Yeah. But this is not just- You know the way people say you are what you eat. I don't actually mean it.

But this isn't just pure consumption. Because otherwise you'd be nothing but pussies and assholes, hey? Up top. Spring break! Because what you're doing here is you're doing something to your cells on a cellular level. Even if it's just on the outside and cosmetic, something's happening to your body. You're being rewritten by an alien DNA. Why are you stopping?

That seems scary, too. That seems also like, because, yeah, cells are meant to, like, you know. That's how cancer happens. Yeah, but that's also the treatment of cancer. Well, that's true. Chemotherapy kills all of your cells. Gives you new ones. Would you drink the whale juice?

Yeah. Is it free? No, it's $80 million. Well, okay, I don't have $80 million, so no. But if someone's like, hey, mate, I've got a drink of this whale juice. Yeah, I'm a bit full. Do you want to finish it? Yeah. It's usually $80 million a swig, but I'm full.

Yeah, I'm stuffed. I had a sandwich before. Oh, okay, I. It's usually $80 million a swig. But I'm full. Yeah, I'm stuffed. I'm buffed. I had a sandwich before. Oh, okay. I'll finish the whale juice. Then I had two glasses of water with the sandwich because it was a really dry sandwich. So now I'm very full. Dude, I did ask for your life story.

Just give me the whale juice. Do you think they're marketing it back on Earth that it is whale juice? No. No, no, no. Or is it kind of like, you know, ah, secrets. Pandorian herbs and spices. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Traditional Pandorian recipe.

Younger Fanta. The Fanta company is harvesting whale. That's something that, yeah, people are picketing about outside of the Fanta headquarters. Fanta kills whales for younger Fanta. They're not really whales technically, but they are whale-like. The chant didn't gather any steam. Wasn't catchy. What does that mean?

Say it's our society as we are today. What does it mean if we have a juice that we can drink that we stop aging? Does it? Okay, here's a question. Even if it stops you aging the whole way through. Right now, you drink it, you aging the whole way through. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like right now you drink it, you have a perpetually

effectively immortal unless somebody cuts my head off with a sword. Yeah, or shoots you with a gun. Or hits you with a car. Yeah, a bus runs me over. A bull gores me. I fall down a sewer and an alligator eats my legs. A bird takes me away, drops me on the highway. I get my tongue

tied to the back wheel, the back axle of a car, the car drives away. Another car is tied to my leg and that drives away. I get torn in half. A dog you hate bites you on the nuts and you're too embarrassed to go to a doctor and you bleed out. Yeah, like all of these ways could still kill me. So it stops you aging. Any

degenerative illnesses off the table. So you can't get them. So we've cured aging and we've cured degenerative. So on a cellular level you do not age. I'm not changing. But you can still get ill. You can still get a cold or whatever.

You can get stabbed. Get on the nuts by a dog to a bar to go to a doctor. Fight out of a cannon. Highlander rules but more so. We've taken away aging. A magician saws you in half, but fucks up and actually saws you in half. Does it for real? He actually wanted to kill me.

This is a bad magician. Great hit, man. Am I meant to be in like a trick box? Don't talk on stage. Dude, this is just a cardboard box from Aldi. This might hurt a little bit, but for the trick to work, you've got to shut up. Okay. Just smiling at the crowd as I'm sorted off.

Wow, being a magician's assistant is glamorous. And he separates the guts to swap them out. Oh, look at my young guts! So useful on the inside. So, yeah, that's happened to our society right now. What happens?

Well, surely... I mean, immediately, they're very wealthy. Drink as much as possible. Yes, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Say it's okay. We'll just... Don't worry about cost.

Don't worry about it's the elite. Just right now, it's free. It's in our water supply. Free for everyone. Don't worry about it's like the elite. Just right now it's free. It's in our water supply. Free for everyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh no, but as in like, I don't even mean like as in only the elite would use it, so therefore it wouldn't matter. As in like, so first thing that happens, the elite use it.

Yeah, yeah, of course. But the thing is, it's anti-aging. It doesn't make you look younger. So most people that will drink it probably already look slightly older than they want to look. Yeah, yeah, yeah. which is funny as well. So right now, everyone looks 50.

A magic wish goes off and we all stop aging. How does that affect our society? Part of a functioning society is that cunts die. You need that. You need a bit of a turnover of human bodies for society to continue functioning. How else is a graveyard going to stay in business? All those. You need a bit of a turnover of human bodies for society to continue functioning. How else is a graveyard going to stay in business?

All those graveyard keepers are out of a fucking job. But if everyone gets it, then those people that are eternally children, that's fucked up. Yeah. What do you mean once you turn 20? Let's say 30. Whatever it is,

if you're under 30, you can't have it, but from 30, you are. And so from anyone that's, like, 30 up now, it's like, up, done. And once you age up, up, done. So, like, how does that affect? Age becomes meaningless. Yeah. Which doesn't really make any difference, like, as in, like, well, I mean, it does, but, like, 30 onwards, age.

I think you enter into a weird problem where like people who are in positions of power, and I don't mean like the kind of- Like a manager. Yeah, like a manager, like a CEO. Stay as a manager. Yeah, yeah. Which is a problem. Isn't that just a problem that our world is currently facing with a lot of baby-

All of our presidents have been like 90 for the last 10 fucking million years. Not just presidents, but it's like baby boomers who just don't want to retire, so they end up staying in a position of either middle management or management well past what would be usual retirement age, and so an extra five or 10 years, which means then, say, the Gen X or millennials are like, well, those would have been our jobs, and that would have come with a pay rise experience.

But now the baby boomer can buy a fourth house exactly exactly and also it's like and they can't remember how to do their job because they got holes in their brain exactly yeah and well yeah that's the point as well it's that the younger the younger generation is like we have we know technology and we know yeah systems that are better at doing this than what you are used to. And understand that you don't like phone. I get it. But we use phone for everything.

And we use all this. While I'm 85 and running this business with pages only, baby. The only phone I'll be calling is if you're driving an 80s style fancy car and the phone's in the car. I'll call your car phone. That's it. But you've got to answer the phone with like, hey, Bobby. I'm driving down the Hollywood Boule in the car. Huckle your car phone. That's it. But you gotta answer the phone with like, hey, Bobby. I'm driving down the Hollywood Boulevard right now.

We wanna meet for a sandwich at Leo's. That's what Hollywood's like. Yeah. I gotta assume. Hey! Sign me up for your next picture, eh?

Weird Italian. Hey! Sign me up for your next movie. I'm gonna be in it, eh? Eh? They're making a next movie. I'm going to be in it, huh? They're making a Mario movie. I'm not in it. Hollywood's a fucking piece of shit. What do you mean I'm not

in it? Who in it? Who in Pratt? What the name comes with Pratt? Christopher Prattacino? No! Is that who he is? I like how you character angry older Italian who's not in movies that he should be in. Well, what about your brother?

Who are they putting in? How to put him in? Little Jared Leto? What a man. How he sound. Play me other clip. Oh, my God. Ah, mamma mia.

It's perfect. He sounded just like me. He deserved it. But anyway, I don't think that's for Earth now. So the thing is, if you stop aging, which means you stop any sort of degenerative illnesses, diseases, whatever, i.e., like, you know, bad backs, joint pain, all that kind of stuff, blah, blah, blah,

those things that would either stop people retiring, it's like you're kind of stopping progression. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I don't think that's happening in the world of- Well, not currently, but it has the potential to happen. I don't think that the whale juice is getting to Earth. What do you mean? It is already in the moon?

Does he say that they use it on Earth? Yes. Oh, okay, maybe I misheard. I thought they were only- I was like, maybe they're not. How are they selling it on Pandora? Well, there's people living on Pandora. With what money?

Pandora bucks? I assume that if you have something. The military base is buying it? It's a city. It's being built by the military, but it is a full city. There's no civilians there yet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think that it's probably maybe.

What about the memory of the whale when they got shot? You just thought that they were already selling it on Pandora like 20 years ago before Jake Sully even got there? Seems like there's been people on Pandora for a long time. I think this is more of a- They've realized what they can do with it. That's always happened in the background of Avatar 1, but it seems more of a newer industry.

Yeah, sending it back to Earth, baby. Because also if it had been- Well, if they had been farming it for such a newer industry. Yeah, sending it back to Earth, baby. Because also if it had been farming it for such a long period of time the water tribes would probably have known about it longer where it seems that it's only just started to happen. Yeah, because he talks about whaling, they just didn't

whale near the Narvi. He says that we've been whaling down here, we don't whale near there because we'll get got by the Narvi. So they've been doing it for a while. I't whale near there because we'll get got by the hobby. So they've been doing it for a while. I just think it's such a pretty intense thing to sell commercially. Yeah, well, it's there and back, you know. Well, not there and back.

You're sending it back to Earth, which was a six-year journey. Five or six. A six-year journey, yeah. Which seems, yeah, I guess they've been maybe sent one batch back. Yeah, like I think in the period of time that they've been harvesting it, it's probably, I think that maybe they sell it to, like it's hard to tell what the different groups are on Pandora. The people that are whaling, are they the Navy or are they just a whaling company?

It seems like they are a whaling company. Yeah, so there's commercial. I think you've got, because you've got the transport. No, they're part of the Navy because they're on the fucking boat with the fucking guys. Well, they're like, the Navy because they're on the fucking boat with the fucking guys. Well, they're like, you're the person commandeering my ship. Yeah. I think they're just whalers.

I don't think they're the Navy. I guess you've got a company involved with shipping everyone to Pandora. Yes. So that would be either a military-like endeavor or it's an independent private company that, It's an independent, like, private company that, like, yes, we supply transport for military as well as other people that want to go there for commercial endeavors, i.e. whaling. I think we're basically in the beginning of the Wild West of Pandora. So in the early days, you had the pioneers who would have gone there and explored. Yep.

Once they'd settled, then the military comes in. Yep. And that's also when they're like, maybe we can mine this place. It's not the military initially, anyway. It was RD. Was it military? Because it's like people who were trained by the military. Yeah, it's actually not military at all. In fact, never been military. This is a private

company. But they use corporal and they use army. What are they called? Something dynamics? No. It's like the most generic name i somehow it's like something dynamics no it's like it's like the most generic name for a company might even be rad like research something dynamics yeah maybe but anyway so these are private these this is not actually a military operation at all these are just private interests well i think it's a combination of both right because the the person

that's there now who's overseeing the building of Bridgetown? Yeah, yeah. They seem like they are part of the military. They are. But then again, so did Stephen Lang. Yeah, yeah. I thought they were a private, like basically a militia or like a, what do you call them? Yeah, like mercenaries, like a security company. So I don't know. That are ex-military.

Yeah, that are, yeah, yeah. And kind of keep those, uh, keep those titles and stuff. RDA. RDA, that's right. Yeah, and kind of keep those titles and stuff. RDA. RDA, that's right. So that's not the Earth government. You know what I mean? So maybe they are sending the whale juice back to Earth.

I would assume they would be sending, you'd have enough time to at least send maybe one, two batches. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then also you have to have, well, R&D, i.e. how did they discover this? Yeah, well, I mean, get i kind of get that if you're just like you've arrived on a planet you don't care about any of the population you're like what a marine biologist who is there yeah yeah yeah who's like you're just harvesting them what will happen yeah yeah probably doing that to all the animals it's just that the whales had the magic anti-aging juice in their brains yeah right well

i guess yeah you'd like say you know you'd kill one of them forest panthers. You'd dissect it. You'd be like, what's in it? See if there's anything useful inside. We can use this, that, and the other. Well, if they are, again, they could be sending it back to Earth. But do they actually say that the $80 million, is it like a buyer on Earth? Or could they be selling it to the military on Pandora?

They literally just say It's similar to the Unobtainium This is what's paying for this whole operation We need to mine this stuff This is what's kind of paying for a lot of what's happening now on Pandora Well yeah They're sending so many people up now

and it's like well I guess we're using Unobtainium but we're also now using this whale juice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's a bit of a combination of both, I guess. Yeah. Anyway. But it's also crazy that you go into that much effort knowing that if you die, you can just put your consciousness in another thing. Well, okay, so now let's move on, I guess, back to that.

Yeah. That's not extending your life, though. No, that's a need. to that. That's not extending your life though. They make a very big deal of the fact that it's like, you remember this guy, but you are not that guy. He's dead. It's download, it's your consciousness. It's not your consciousness.

It's a brand new consciousness that has your memories. It's like a fucking Black Mirror episode, except no one's getting sucked off by a phone or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And no one's unhappy about it, because fair enough, you wouldn't be. Like, I'm a new... It would be traumatic, possibly.

Well, you'd have to come to terms with your own death. Which old mate does not. No, no, he struggles with that. Yeah, he struggles with it. You wake up and you're like, hey, you're in a brand new body. Self-sucking, broke your spine. I high-fived myself. How? Like this. A clap? Yeah. Yeah your spine. I high-fived myself. How?

Like this. A clap? Yeah. Yeah, dude. You high-five. What are you talking about? How's that not a high-five? Here, up top.

Define a high-five, dude. Define a high-five right now. It involves two people. Nonsense. It involves two hands, maybe. What's the difference between a clap and a high-five? There actually isn't one.

Clap is usually like a lot of... It's context specific, yeah. Well, not necessarily. Yeah. Someone does something awesome. I clap for them. I do something awesome. I high five myself. I see someone do something

awesome and they're near me and I know them, I give them a high five. I give them a high five. High five and clapping is different. And then they say, oh yeah, I'll high five back. I guess it's a back and forth. Now the difference is that a clap is multiple slaps of palms. A high five is just one.

So this is a high five. It was pretty lackluster, but yeah, it's a high five. I would say it's also more of an action, like depending on what you're sort of doing because a clap is like,

you know, where you've got like the angles. Moving horizontal. That's true. Another problem I think is Yeah, so if you went like this, I'd pay it way more. If you go one arm up first

and then slap with the second one. Yeah, that's fair. I was actually doing it on the side, wasn't I? Well, yeah, you clapped. Yeah. No, no, no. A bit more of a clap

than a high five. It was just like a high five on the side.apped. Yeah. No no no. A bit more of a clap than a high five. It was just like a high five on the side. Okay. High five on the side. I can't reach my arm I just threw it out sideways.

There you go. I think high five on the side too slow. Is it one hand needs to be stationary one arm needs to be

stationary. Yeah which is not what Jackson did. Jackson was like yeah I'll high five myself. Well I was you know pressed for time.

I was pressed for time so I clapped instead of doing a high five. That's not what Jackson did. Jackson was like, yeah, I'll high five myself. Well, I was, you know, pressed for time. I was pressed for time. So I clapped instead of doing a high five. Yeah. But anyway, so yes, if I, no matter how I died, obviously it would be traumatic,

but I think you have no memories of your death, right? Yeah. You just wake up. You could, cause you can download your consciousness or like your memories and your personality. Yeah.

Into a flash drive 10 years ago. Yes. And you live for 10 years. You die. Yeah. You forget that 10 years. Someone is, well, you don't forget it because it never existed for you. Someone puts that into just like a clone of you.

And then they're like, wow, I'm Jackson. And then like, well, Jackson died, but he also made this backup 10 years ago. And forgot to keep backing it up. So you are Jackson. We found it behind the couch. You're actually Jackson halfway through his training. It's very annoying. So, yeah, you have, yeah, 10 years.

Why am I blue? You're also a Na'vi now. What? Yeah, Jackson did this before he got the Pandora. So a Na'vi. Do you remember what a Navi is? No. You know what?

Lie back down in the tube. We're taking out your consciousness. Yeah, far enough, dude. Do you know what Project Pandora was? No. No, dude. So you're telling me that he backed up before Pandora made the... Yeah, it actually...

I really need to shit, so I think he may have accidentally backed this up while staking a shit. He did it a mistake. Reaching for the toilet paper. I wasn't even on the toilet. I was in the backing up machine. Oh my God.

That probably cleaned me. But yeah, so it's not really, it's not extending your life. It's just a backup. But as with the death, you're dead. You're not even backing up.

You're just making a different guy. Well, what's happened to your soul? You can talk about as with the death, you're dead. You're not even back up. You're just making a different guy. Well, what's happened to your soul? You talk about like as a spiritual thing, you are definitely dead. What would happen if...

Here's an interesting question. Can you go to heaven twice? Great question. I can. Yes, you can't. I can't go to heaven once. They don't let freaks and perverts in.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fair. Who are you getting in? How am I getting in? Smooth talking. If Stephen Lyinghead uploaded... And then the first version of me is sneaking the second and perverts in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fair. Who are you getting in? How am I getting in? Smooth talking. If Stephen Lange had uploaded- And then the first version of me is sneaking the second version of me in. Yeah, dude, just spit on your hand and I'll put the stamp on your-

Heaven's Gate mark on it. I think Heaven's Gate went to heaven, yeah. That's where they wanted to go. Or space. Yeah, natural. I'm sure they got there. Oh Or space. Yeah, natural. I'm sure they got that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

No, but okay. So say Stephen Lang had uploaded himself to, or you know what? Say Jake Sully uploads himself to Iowa. Yeah. Right? But he had a backup made. Yeah. Then that backup uploads himself to Iowa. Are there two Jake Sullys in Iowa now?

Yeah. Yeah. Because there's two brand new consciousnesses. One just has the memories of Jake Sully. Yeah. And assumedly

because the whole it's still your personality and what you've done everything has come beforehand. Your memory, your relationships. If you then put in similar situations, I guess you just do the exact same thing anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Ten years from now, you're going to try and suck your own dick and die again. Having uploaded my consciousness ten years ago on the toilet. Same exact situation. Well, as for whether or not your death would be traumatic, say somebody had had using perfect computer CGI a, let's say, five years in the future version

of yourself dying. Would that be upsetting to watch? Well, it depends on how realistic it was. Super realistic. Am I watching it or am I VR-ing it? You would be watching it. Because that's, I mean, they don't get to VR it in... Yeah, okay. Well, he sees his own dead body

and then yeah so yeah yeah yeah but this is the best we can approximate for real life would you be upset seeing or maybe even now

say I showed you a video of you getting shot in the head dude so if you're an actor yeah yeah and you're filming a death scene yeah and then you watch the death scene

does that fuck you up yeah no no not really you'd probably be fine yeah I think I would be so divorced from the guy that I was

in my new Na'vi body, I would be like- I like how quickly you got divorced from that guy. But again, isn't it- What made her suck shit? Can they just

shoot him again? Fuck that guy, huh? You missed his head. Do it again Come on Died like a dickhead Who's this guy who sucks?

Yeah anyway Me No I'm not Me? I don't suck I'm a fucking Na'vi I'm like 8 foot tall brother Yeah

Honking into the fucking Toaster Do you have to be a Na'vi? And can you just have a clone body of You know you I assume so I assume that's entirely possible. If you can grow an avi, an immensely complicated alien creature,

you can grow a human being. So again, this is sort of like you've stopped aging as well. Yeah. Well, I guess you have stopped aging in a different way. Well, then you are also aging, but again, it's a different type of aging. It's just a new guy. You're aging blue. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is a new guy, but it's not really. No, but it is a different way. Well, but then you are also aging, but again, it's a different type of aging. It's just a new guy. You're aging blue. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It is a new guy, but it's not really. No, but it is a new guy. It's like if we- So if I was the CEO of a company- Yeah. Let's go with- If I was the CEO- If I was a king.

Okay. Yeah. I'm a king of this country. I'm like, I'm the emperor whatever. And okay, I know that I'm dying soon. Yes. So, you know, I'm just gonna, all my consciousness, I'm gonna upload into a younger

body. Yes. I'm dead, younger body, I'm the emperor, I have all the same memories, well, I'm gonna keep empering. Absolutely. Okay, so what we're now having is, I guess, a like a reign that never ends. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is not good. Well, no, but it's a different guy. No, it's not.

No, because he's got a different life now. Different things will happen to this person. But he's already had the previous life experience. Yeah, but now he's got another hundred odd years. Yeah, but his opinions won't really change. They might. You never know what'll happen to him. They could, but they won't.

But they won't because you're still the same guy. If I lived 90 years of my life like this regular now in Australia, right? Yeah. Then I die. But you have my consciousness. You put it in another Jackson. You dump him in Papua New Guinea. Yeah, but that's different to what Zahmet's saying.

Zahmet's saying the guy's in the same spot. Yeah, but 100 years, something could change. This country could get deposed. That's true. That's true. You have the 90 years of memory. Yeah. Okay, yeah, you're chucking in.

So you go to PNG. Yeah. Yeah, you still have the, you're still you at 90,NG. You're still you at 90 though. But now I'm starting again. But you're not starting again. I've got those memories of me now.

Is your plan to choose to ignore memories so therefore you're not actually 90? No, I just think in the grand scale of existence, you're living so much life that eventually it'll supplant that previous 90 years. You are living that life by your education, your preconceived notions, your bias. But we're seeing it with Stephen Lang. Stephen Lang's changing in the movie.

Is he? Yeah. How? He's becoming more sensitive about his son. He was a terrible father in life. His son was an infant that wasn't on the battlefield. I'm pretty sure if the theory was like, I have your baby here, he might have been like, whoa.

Maybe. But I think the implication of the movie is that this new version of Stephen Lang is softening when he's around the child. He tried to kill Jake Sully while they were both drowning. It's not different. It's the exact same. He's changing. He also threatened children multiple times in the film.

And he would have done that in a village. It's an incremental process. Killed the dog, killed the whale. Bit by bit he's changing. Okay, okay, you're right. Okay, no, well, I am right. killed the dog killed the whale bit by bit he's changing okay okay you're right okay

no well I am right no he's got an infant child that he ignores because he's like fuck baby it's war time

whatever the mother has just given birth but I have a job to do yeah then he disappears and then he's like, alright, I'm back

now, I gotta kill Jake Sully again. I've assumed my child is back on Earth. But now I see him as a fully grown man. Yes, that will change me, but it would have also changed him if he hadn't have died. Yeah?

Yeah! Yeah, the change is're... Sorry, man. What do you mean, yeah? Well, Jackson, I think, I could be wrong here. Jackson's assuming that you live 90 years, and then you put those 90 years into a

body where it's been like a day. So 90 years to Jackson for some reason means nothing, even though that's not how time works. I'm not saying it means nothing I'm saying that you are now Your life has changed its trajectory And so this new version of you Has the potential

To become a completely different person Because of life experiences That's just waking up every day That's just changing your career But the thing is you already have your skills If you're in the body of a 30 year old You're, you're in the body of a 20-year-old, sure, you might be like, well, now I have the brain of a 90-year-old, and maybe I am wiser, but not really.

Phone's still confusing. But now I'm just able to do things. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm not really changing. So you think that Stephenven lang over say potentially a million years will not change the kind of person he is no he's still of course because you've lived a million years he's got the potential to do that now but he has the but

you have the he has the potential to change when he wakes up tomorrow yeah like we all have the potential for growth we We all do. If we, you know, through our experiences, you're right. If I wake up tomorrow and as I'm waking up, I grab, I don't know, a book and just slam it into my face. Instead of putting toast in my face, I'm going to put my dick. It would be very different if I have, say cereal. Yeah.

A very different experience. Sure. You're cereal. Yeah. A very different experience. Sure. You're right. Yes. However, it doesn't really change who I am. We're not going to live in a utopia because everyone's real. No, I don't think we're going to live in a utopia. I just think this Stephen Lang is a different Stephen Lang to the one from before.

It's a continuation. He will become a different Stephen Lang. It's a continuation. He will become a different Stephen Lang. If you cloned this man eight times, each of those Stephen Langs will go on a completely different trajectory in their life. Wait, are you cloning all of them at the same time? Yes, you're starting from scratch. If every single person in, you clone Stephen Lang eight times. Okay, okay, okay. That's eight different possible lives.

Okay, scenario. Here we go. That's eight different possible lives. Okay, scenario. Here we go. As the military, I'm like, Stephen Lang, we loved how you just never give up. So what we've done is we've cloned you eight times into a Na'vi body with memories of that moment in time. The squad of you is going to go and try and kill Jake Scully.

But say they're like, here's eight of you. One we're sending to the city. One we're sending to hunt Jake Scully. One we're sending into space, here's eight of you. One we're sending to the city. One we're sending to hunt Jake Sully. One we're sending into space. One we're sending underwater. One we're sending to do scientific missions. Yeah, but it's still the same guy. Yeah, but he's going to have eight different lives now.

He's going to change the kind of person he is. Yeah, but not hugely. At his core, he's still going to be. The example you just gave has nothing. You can do that to a regular man. Yeah, very possibly. Hey, today you're a podcaster. Tomorrow we're sending you to space.

Oh, my God, the podcaster and Jackson on the moon are different guys. I think we are so influenced by every second of our lives that if you have somebody, multiple people, the same version of this one guy. What you're saying isn't wrong. It's just not. It doesn't make sense what you're applying it to. Yeah. Okay, well, maybe he's not a different guy. What you're saying isn't wrong. It's just not, it doesn't make sense what you're applying it to. Yeah. Okay, well maybe he's not a different guy. Extending someone's

life doesn't necessarily mean they're going to change who they are. It's still them. But they have the potential to. We have the potential to right now. Maybe with the experience, i.e. going to therapy and working out my anger issues and a fucking co-worker

may make me a happy man! Right now! I'm not doing that. I could get a job in a bank. Maybe you should. Maybe we both should. Hi, we're the Joes. We would like to be accountants. Hello, welcome to the bank.

What would you like to do today? Withdraw 10 bucks? Here you go. Have a great day. I would you like to do today? Withdraw 10 bucks? Here you go. Have a great day. I would like to not work with Jackson, please. You want me to garbage truck driver? You get a lot of options. I wake up to it. I'll be a bit tired. What are you saying?

Yes, he has the fucking potential, sure. But we all have the potential for growth and change. He's got more potential now. Well, if you made eight of them, they would have more potential. But then that's eight different guys. Eight different guys. He said it. He's on my side.

No, I'm not on your side. It's eight versions of the same guy. Yeah. But that just means there's eight of them. So, yeah, obviously there's more potential because it's potential times eight. Yeah. Yeah. But that's not what you're saying.

You just changed your argument because before it was just one guy. Yeah. People can change whenever they want. Yes. You can just wake up one day and be like, fuck my old life. So putting someone in a knife, like they die die Giving them all their memories and experiences And putting them in a new body Yeah

They'll act different But they're still the same guy And I would argue they wouldn't act different Well no as in like From the day they The day they die And the day they wake up They'll act different solely because

They're like oh shit I died Yeah Like yeah that'll fuck people up But it's not gonna It's not gonna do whatever the fuck you think it's gonna do. Stephen Lang ain't gonna be like, you know what? I should be a pious man now. You know, I don't think that he's necessarily going to do that,

but I think he has the potential. Yeah! Kind of like the potential he had as a normal guy. Yeah. So if he had a normal guy, as a normal guy, say in the theory... What is happening for you to think that... He's been given a second chance. But he knew about that already.

It's not like a surprise, because he's already recorded his consciousness. He recorded the message for himself. So if Nateri had shot him in the fucking leg, and he had survived, and say instead they- But his life's on one trajectory at that point. Say they de-weaponed him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they put a mask on him and they say they grabbed him. And they basically have done what they did with Spider.

Where they were like, hey, to experience Na'vi culture, he has the potential to change. Yeah. Yeah. Didn't need to fucking die and clone himself. And he doesn't have more potential if he dies and clones himself. Because also they're like, no, no, no. We're going to heal him up and take him there. Because he doesn't have more potential if he dies cloning himself. Because also they're like, no, no, no, we're going to heal him up and take him there because he'll be a piece of shit. What has more potential for you?

Yeah. I'm just going to see if this helps me understand what the fuck you're saying. The drink and the juice that makes you not age. Whatever Stephen Lang had. Drinking the juice doesn't give you the potential. Why? Because you're going to just stay the same forever. What the fuck?

Okay, alright. I am 50. I'm 20 years old. Let's go with 30. 30 years old. 30 years old. I drink the juice. I do not age. I'm 30 years old 30 years old I drink the juice I do not age I'm 30 years old

I live my life Okay So that's scenario one I'm 30 Scenario two 30 years old Yes I upload

I download my conscious I get hit by a bus The next day Yeah They then implant My consciousness Into a new guy Into a new

It looks exactly like me Exactly as it were Yeah What has more potential I think the one that died Hey Why consciousness into a new guy. Into a new, it looks exactly like me, exactly as it were. Yeah. What has more potential? I think the one that died. Hey! Why?

Because he died. But you don't remember that you died. You don't remember death. What do you possibly, why? Well, maybe if you don't see your own death, then you probably aren't, you've got the same amount of potential as the whale juice.

But if you've seen your own death, what the fuck does he mean? I guess he's trying to say that Because Stephen Lang watched a video of him getting gut, that's what made him change? I think Jackson's trying to say that if you see your own death

That's something that a regular human being doesn't experience and therefore has a unique experience that somehow leads to more potential in your life? Yeah, but so if you were to make- If you have a near-death experience, does that mean you've got more potential in your life? Potential for what?

Whatever the fuck you're- Whatever you're talking about! So if we- Jesus fucking Christ. So if we, like you said, the top. All right, real life example. When I was 15, I was riding a bike down a hill. I originally was not wearing a helmet, got to the top of the hill,

was like, huh, my helmet's not done up. Immediately, I did it up. Within 30 seconds, a person I was at school with cut off my bike. I went over the handlebars, landed on a rock, broke open my helmet over my temple yeah broke my collarbone went to the doctor yeah yeah yeah

doctor was like hey if you weren't wearing a helmet you could have died yeah yeah it was just flat out like you would have died here's your helmet

because I had the helmet with me and they're like were you wearing that and I was like yes they looked at it and they were like if you weren't wearing this you would have been dead

yeah yeah yeah like do you think that my life had more potential from that moment onwards? I would say it did. Why? Yeah. I didn't learn anything. Well, that's on you.

That's the point. It's on you. No matter what happens, you're still you. You watch the amount of times you've walked. I've seen you walk in front of traffic just because you're not paying attention. Well, that's on me. Yeah. I've seen you walk in front of traffic just because you're not paying attention

How many times have you bought a novelty fucking drink and or popcorn container from a movie theatre because you think it's funny It is funny How many times have you done it

and how many times have you remembered that you've done it previously Well now quite a bit because it's become kind of a running joke but the first three times in a row, I didn't remember. I just thought it was funny. So we're still the same people running basically on a script. You watch in Avatar 3 and 4, Stephen Lang, they're going to, in the movie,

they're going to talk about how much potential he had to change. But they're going to talk about how he's a different guy. That's going to be a huge plot point. You just watch. But that's just development. That's going to be a huge plot point. You just watch. But that's just development. That's just a person living their life. I think they're going to say that because of the way they did it Hey, because you died and then came back, you're a different person.

Because you're a recombinant. That's what they call them in the movie. You've got more potential to change. You're a different person. You are not Stephen Lang anymore. They say that a lot in the movie because technically he's not Stephen Lang. That's what I've been saying the different person. You are not Stephen Lang anymore. No, but they say that a lot in the movie because technically he's not Stephen Lang. That's what I've been saying the whole time. He's not Stephen Lang. Yeah, but that doesn't mean

that isn't what you're saying at all. That's what I was saying at the beginning and then everyone yelled at me. No, you were saying, no, you weren't. The whole time you were yelling about potential. Yeah, you cornered me in the potential conversation. That was a dirty trick on your end.

A dirty trick! The only people that got upset in that conversation were us. It's a dirty trick you played on yourselves. I don't know. Sorry again. I'm 30 years old. I drink the whale juice. Yes. And as I drink the whale juice, they put a VR headset on me,

and they show me a gruesome death of mine. And then take off the helmet. Now I'm like, wow, that's fucked up. Scenario two. I back myself up. I die that gruesome death that apparently the VR woman, and then they bring me back. Who has more potential?

The person who died. When you died in real life. It's a new consciousness. as opposed to the old one it's not a new consciousness it's a new consciousness the same it's a new if you die and then get re-uploaded that's a new consciousness no you're adding the memories of steven lang onto the consciousness of the navi slug but you don't have a consciousness. It's the personality. There's no consciousness to it. That's the whole fucking point. Jake Sully's avatar isn't a guy before Jake Sully goes in it.

Yeah. In fact, that's a very big point of the movie. They're not the brain dead or whatever. It's not even really your consciousness you're uploading into the Na'vi anyway. It's your personality. It's just a bunch of code. Yeah.

What do you say? Let's discuss the one where you go into Iowa. I feel like we need to move away from this. I'm really trying to understand how... What's the difference? Like, what? What are you doing? Because I would say that you drinking the young juice, that's you.

That is 100% you. Spiritually, you. That is you. You have not died. If you believe in a soul, that is the one that has it. The one where you're coming back, you could argue that they are a soulless person. That they are a nothing man. They're an empty person.

A shell. Because they are the true facsimile. They are the demon people. They are a fake representation of my loved one. That is that. A robot in Black Mirror.

I've never seen Black Mirror. A phone sucks you off. And a phone's got a or whatever. Yeah, nice. And a phone's got a gun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's scary. So that one where they come back, that is the one where it's like, well, that is not a real person. Well, I guess if we're talking souls, I guess I've been under the assumption that the re-downloading consciousness is a new soul that you're creating when you do that. But again, why would a new soul just automatically mean

more fucking... It just means it's a different guy. It's not a different guy. Even if it is a different... If you go into Iowa, that's mad. You're in a spirit realm. Get to see your own memories

That's cool Yeah yeah Watch your dad Hunt a fish or whatever But you might Guess you might be able To know that you're Dirk's Christmas

Yeah but also It's a big chance That maybe you're Just experiencing Like that spiritual thing Where it's like Kind of everything Happening all at once

Everything everywhere All at once Yeah yeah yeah That movie was spiritual Yeah yeah yeah There were rocks And there was a speech. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the reason that I don't know if...

Love your daughter more. And respect your mom. Yeah, except people for who they are. Family's hard. Family is hard. The main takeaway that I got from everywhere all at once is it seems stressful to run a laundromat. Yeah.

More stressful than you just do. That seems easier on a laundromat. You. More stressful than you to sue. It seems easier to run a laundromat than just buy a bunch of laundry. Like, whatever. Wait, you say buy a bunch of laundry? I forgot the word for washing machines. Sometimes it's hard being your friend. It's hard to be a family. Yeah, yeah

That's what I said Yeah, probably that's As a sort of family, right? Not anymore Families have families We have the potential To be a family Families get into arguments sometimes

That's okay It doesn't mean they don't love each other That's true That's true We have disagreements Difference of opinion Doesn't mean that You know, the family's done

yeah I mean it's one of those things where I'm against the difference of opinion versus

one person not quite understanding what they're even saying yeah you can come at things from different angles doesn't mean you don't care about each other

yeah the thing is you can come at things from different angles but usually like when there's like something there's an answer

there's like a right answer and an answer that doesn't really make sense and if you push the wrong answer further they just seem to really dig into wrong answer territory yeah yeah yeah or then just like yeah make up shit on the fly for no reason it doesn't mean you don't cherish each other and then gaslight saying no you actually said that yeah yeah yeah guess like we're the problem yeah yeah yeah because the movie says we're the problem yeah yeah cause the movie says they're not the same guy

which is what I was saying the whole time that is what I started with no no no what you were saying is more potential you kept talking about potential change

well yeah do you think it's a pretty good movie it's a very good movie I think I agree on it are you that's to find common ground yeah

that's to find something we agree on for once, yeah. The only way what you're saying makes sense. It's great to reopen it. You're going to be lucky

if it doesn't come up immediately in next week's episode. Yeah, yeah. I'll be like, hey, it's one week later, I'm still mad. Anyway, what the fuck?

So the only way what you're saying makes sense is if you believe in destiny or fate or whatever and everything's already written But then when you die you get a new one. Yeah. Well, I guess if I'm coming from you That's how I'm into it. Yeah, it's a Predetermined or it's like it's like a brand new soul. It's a brand new life. Yeah

Yeah, so you think that Stephen Lang's on a predetermined path, but then when he dies step off ends Yeah, pretty determined path was to die. Or his predetermined path was to die. Yeah, his predetermined path was to die, then you put him in a Na'vi, and then that's a different path. Yeah, I suppose. No, okay, so that's not what you meant. But he's also... He's got more potential.

He's got more potential. He's still walking the same thread. He's still walking the same path that he was before. In fact, he's probably On more damage This time around Yeah nah But There's more potential

If there's eight of them Or whatever Whatever example One becomes a fire guy Or whatever There's more potential There's just more potential See

If you take the young juice Yeah You're young forever No potential No changing But if you Can't change shit If you die

But if you die New guy Yeah Yeah I would say that I Still agree forever but no potential no change zero but if you can't change if you die but if you die new guy yeah yeah yeah yeah i would say that i still agree i think the biggest problem yeah of of uh i guess defeating death in any which way that that avatar worlds have the problem is that this will be the technology that the rich the wealthy the people who in power, and they will use this to maintain that they are in power. Yeah, absolutely. So if you have a king who's like, well, I'm going to take this juice that makes me young, so I'm going to rule for as many years as I can. And then also I'm going to back myself up to put into a younger body.

So if I do die, then he takes over. This is how you get a logan's run this is how you get basically the plot of one of the very decent plots of the television series the foundation based off isaac asimov's the foundation which only really share the name yeah the problem there is you you have a forever emperor who doesn't grow they're very stagnant especially in a world where where it seems like on Pandora they are establishing the new whatever government this is. This isn't America. This isn't Britain.

It's just some people from Earth creating a new colony. It's RDA. And if you look at the way of the water and the way of the water tribe, they're saying that water gives us life, and it also takes it away, and it's about

life and death, and it's a cycle, and that's the natural kind of what we tend to do. With humanity, what we're doing is we're trying to break that cycle which is unnatural. It's also very similar to, I guess, the Prometheus in the Alien Covenant and Prometheus, those big fuckers.

Jesus Christ was an alien. Jesus Christ was a Prometheus. Yes. In Alien Covenant, Prometheus, those big fuckers. Jesus Christ was an alien. Jesus Christ was a Prometheus. The whole thing, we sacrifice ourselves, we give our life to make something new. To forgive mankind of its sins. Whereas you, Guy Pearce, want to extend your life. That makes us mad and we try to kill you. I wonder who will be in charge of Bridge City when it's finally built.

I'm assuming... The general? I suppose, yeah, yeah, yeah. Martial law? Yeah, yeah. You expect them to fly in a mare? No, I don't know. I don't know, maybe they'll have

some kind of dummy government? Yeah, probably not. Seems like you can kind of make up your own rules on Pandora. Who's going to stop us? The Na'vi? Yeah, I guess. Treat like you can kind of make up your own rules on Pandora. Who's going to stop us? The Na'vi? Yeah, probably. Treat it like a military base. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I guess whoever's the commander in charge, head of army. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll figure it out. I'll figure it out. It's not for us to worry about. Yeah, so I guess the problems of de-aging and continuing your life is that, yeah, you don't grow. Yeah, you don't change. Even though you don't change, even though that you are a new person with so much potential. Yeah, of course.

You're still you. You still have your experience. You still have your education. Your mind isn't plastic. Thinks the same way. Plus you can upload anyone you want into a pig. Yeah! You don't have that plasticity, so your

thoughts and all that are kind of maybe hardwired in. So, yeah, you're only learning new lessons, unfortunately. Because the older you are, and that's a thing, the older you are, it's harder to learn new things. We don't know if that's true about Na'vi, though. What? But it... They get different though. They get different brains.

They get alien brains. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. So we don't know. It might be different. We don't know how long Na'vis live, either. I think we do, actually.

Do we? Yeah. They seem to have similar age to humanity. Well, I don't know. How old's Jake Sully? 40-odd, I reckon. How old's his Na'vi?

How long do Navi Is Navi aged up with him So it was age appropriate And also when Stephen Lang is back They're like You're in a younger body Yeah you're in a younger Navi body

How long do they live? Similar to humans? About double So average lifespan Is 160 to 180 years Lots of plasticity In Stephen Lang's brain huh? Lots of potential to change No Lange's brain, huh? Lots of potential to change.

No, but it's still his. From a physiological point. He's in fact in the perfect place. He's about to become a brand new guy. He's not wrong. He's got a Navi brain. I love to admit this.

He's got a Navi brain. Well, it depends when the Na'vi brain stops. And also, we've seen this in real time. Fuckhead, that's the entire plot of the first Avatar. Jake Sully's brain doesn't change when he goes into Avatar. He doesn't become younger. No. What are you talking about?

I'm saying that if Na'vi lived for 200 years. Yeah, but that's what I mean. So, say Jake Sully's Avatar is the same age as Jake Sully. No, but Avatar does... In Avatar 1, Jake Sully does change from being a jarhead to being... That's just experiences. It's got nothing to do with the fact that he's an avatar now. I don't know.

It's not like he's got a younger brain. It's not like, wow, it's because of this younger brain. Well, no, because the reason your brain doesn't change when you reach a certain age is that it's no longer neuroplasticity. Also, this is set 200 years in the future and maybe, well, human life expectancy is going up. Well, maybe it's normal. Maybe human beings live for 200 years. Yeah. Why do you even need the wild juice?

After 200 years, dude, I'm done. After 50? Pack me up and set me off. What am I going to do that's good after 50? Nothing, dude. Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. Maybe be on a set me up. What am I going to do that's good after 50? Nothing, dude. Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. Maybe be on a boat or something. Come on.

Be on a boat. Go whaling. Go whaling. At 50, I'm whaling. What are you going to do? Put me in jail for the rest of my life? Yeah. If you're a 60-year-old person and you get put in jail for 10 years, do you reckon you're

just like locked up and're like well this is me Who cares What do you mean who cares I'm just like well My life's done now Like I'm not even Oh yeah yeah Not even trying

Yeah yeah yeah Probably Nah human spirits Sometimes hard to break Yeah Yeah Not yours Not your easy

Like you got 20 good years left Nah fuck it You could be out Like maybe in 5 Maybe in Good behaviour Good behaviour Are you kidding me I'm already stabbing this guy You could be out maybe in five. Good behavior. Good behavior? Are you kidding me? I'm already stabbing this guy.

I'm going to try to swallow my own tongue. I'm going to go kick that officer in the nuts from behind. I'm going to try and get Gooch and Ballsack all in one foul. I'm going to see how much of this stint I can spend in the hole. You're a lunatic, sir.

I could arrest him for whaling. They gave me 10 years because in my defense I said all animals deserve to die. And then I said, look, the judge and judges are nothing but fucking dogs. Kick the judge in the back of the head. If you don't give me 10 years minimum, I'm going to kill you with my harpoon, I said. This no longer seems like Dusha got arrested at 70 and was given up.

Seems like he had some other thing going on. The sea changed me. I have a lot of potential at sea. Yeah, yeah. All that potential. All that potential wasted now that you're in jail. So sad. If only you could die and potential wasted now that you're in jail. So sad. Yeah, yeah.

If only you could die and then upload your consciousness to a new person. I was trying to get given the chair so that would happen. Yeah. Too bad. Bring back the chair.

Unless, you know, well, I guess you could take the young juice. Yeah, yeah. Serve that 10 years in prison and then come out again. Come out young. You wouldn't have any potential there.

Yeah, no. Zero potential. Well, he's trying to spend it in the hole anyway. Doesn't even seem relevant. Yeah, but I'd be young and have 10 years of experience Young in the hole. All right, I'd be Zero potential. Well, he's trying to spend it in the hole anyway. It doesn't even seem relevant to him. Yeah, but I'd be young and have 10 years of experience in the hole. Young in the hole. Or ready to be young in the hole.

No, but then when I'm out of the wish to be young in the hole. Oh, it's lovely to be young in the hole. You could be young in regular jail. Yeah, but imagine I come out of jail young. You'd be beautiful and ghostly pale. All your time in the hole. Yes. But then, like, that's a lot the hole. Yes. But then like,

the hole makes you beautiful, pale, and thin. We're starving while you're in the hole. Yeah. Maybe the hole's pretty good right now. He's gaslit himself

to go in the hole. Yeah, the hole rocks. The hole wasn't, dude. You're the only one not in the hole. I'm sad for you. It's muddy. They come and

kick you a bit. Yeah. You get your food delivered to you through a little crack. Yeah. Look at all that potential you've got living in that hole. Yeah, it's awesome. Wow. You get so much.

The only time you get to experience a person is when they come in and hit you with a baton. My week in the hole. It's raining somehow. Wow. Yeah, you got me, Jack. Yeah, what, dude? Oh, fuck. Hole rocks. Hole's good. It's good to. Wow. You got me, Jack. Yeah, what, dude? Hole rocks. Hole's good.

It's good to be in the hole. Yeah, you enjoy being young in the hole. And then when you get out, you're young and you've been in the hole. Yeah. And you've got infinite potential. No, you don't, because you haven't died. You haven't died, but you will die in time. Yeah.

Something will happen. Something comes for all of us in the end. And on that note, I've been Joel. I've been Jackson. And I've also been Joel. Thanks, James Cameron. You did this. You did this, James Cameron.

Another beautiful episode of Plummet Time. Hey, Joel Dusha. I see you. I see you. And what about me? Do you guys see me? Who's that? Oh.

Okay.