Plumbing the Death Star - How Would You Use Going Backwards Better Than Tenet?

Episode Date: December 6, 2020

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Great. Extra N. Still a palindrome if there's two Ns in the middle, my good friend. That would be Tenenant. Tenenant. Tenenant. Okay, yeah. So in the movie Tenenant, they go back in time and forward in time and stop the world from going on.

Joel Zamen, look, it's very simple. There's an algorithm. There's a physical manifestation of an algorithm. And if that algorithm is activated, entire world goes tenant and unfortunately when the entire world goes tenant it's like waves crashing on a beach yeah a thing that i think the movie told me or i just made up as an analogy and unfortunately that will just cause the world to explode and the future listens to the grandfather paradox which they've decided the answer is that you can kill your own grandfather and still exist.

Anyway, any questions? No? All right, we're continuing. I refuse. Anyway, it's very simple. Best way to use that. Fuck this nonsense of going back in time and saying, whatever. I'm going to go in one of them tenant machines, right?

Turnstile. Turnstile, tenant, turnstile. And what I'm going to do is I'm going to get a very good sandwich that I love. And I'm just going to keep re-eating and un-eating that bad boy for a while. And I reckon that would be my best use of going back. Well. If you take the sandwich with you. Yeah.

Yes. Because then it becomes a Reverso sandwich. Yeah. Jackson, you spent this entire introduction saying you can't wait to call it reverse so when i said reverso first get fucked yeah if you're reading a reverso sandwich are you not vomiting up a sandwich well then i'd take it out but then i'd eat it up again because i'd go back to the turnstile get in the turnstile eat the sandwich yeah go back out the turnstile, eat the sandwich, go back out the turnstile, vomit up the sandwich. Go back in. Can I infinite loop this sandwich?

Yeah, you can. You just need to use, to quote the movie, instincts. Or do I need two tenant machines? No. Because I think the tenant machines are like, if you go in one way, if you're going backwards and you go in one, you're if you're a reverse so you become a forward oh again yeah yeah so you'll be a forward always becoming a forward oh it's just everyone else around me thinks i'm a reverse oh no no okay so if you're going to the tenant turn style we're getting dangerously close to having to remember

and explain tenant if you're going to a tenant turnstile yeah if you actually so we're all so let's say right now so we're all living in a forward world yeah we're like all right we're gonna all three of us we're gonna become we're gonna reverse so plumbing the death star we all walk into the thing we then walk out of the turnstile backwards but the world's still going forwards yeah no no no sorry we're going forward still oh no this does see that's what i'm saying you're going forwards but everyone else is so so for me so for example if we're that you haven't already eaten a sandwich that's not how it works oh no you have eaten the sandwich but it stays at because you're reversing and the sandwich is staying you need a sandwich on either

side you need a sandwich on either side so that I have an delicious sandwich I can come back to. You need a sandwich that has backward entropy so you can reverse-o the sandwich into your mouth. You need to look at the sandwich and they're like, you have to just know, how do I eat the sandwich? And they're like, you need to have already eaten it. Instinct. Yeah, instinct, baby. So I'm just thinking, alright, so you've got

that piece of glass in the middle, there's you on one side, and there's me on the other side un-eating a sandwich and i come up and i'm like i'm un-eating a sandwich what the fuck i go into the turnstile i come out i eat a sandwich and i'm like good then i guess i see myself in the other thing, other side, eating a sandwich. So I'm like, I guess I must have eaten a sandwich. And then you throw up a sandwich. I go through the other side and then I become a four-word-o and then I eat a sandwich.

I guess all I've done is eat two sandwiches, right? That is a good use of it, though. No. To eat two separate sandwiches I just remembered that the movie makes a really really really big point about the fact you shouldn't touch yourself if you're going if you're a reverse-o'd boy and you see yourself as a forward boy,

you shouldn't touch each other. But they legitimately punch on with each other to no consequences. No, it's just skin-on-skin contact for reasons that are unclear. You can't make out with yourself, but if you make out with yourself through a bit of cling film, you're okay. But if you make out with yourself, one tongue's going backwards, one's going forwards. that's going to be confusing.

And then if you get sucked off, you're actually getting sucked on. No, it wouldn't be that confusing because it's all instinct. So it just happens. You just have to have already tongued their mouth hole and you will reverso-tongue their mouth hole. I reckon we could get

Zam at an infinite sandwich. I think we could do it. I feel like I need to draw a diagram of how this is working. So Zamet is going forward, because you have to start going forward in time, because that's unfortunately just the way that Al...

I am dressed in currently blue. Okay, so Jackson's just... Jackson has cracked open a whiteboard on his Zoom call. I'm going to figure this out. Okay. Cracked open Photoshop or whatever. This is Samet. Backwards Zed and all.

Samet. Okay. I'm blue. I'm a forward Samet. All right. There is a glass in the middle that I can see myself in red. So yeah,

there's a red me on the other side uneating a sandwich. Okay. I have to go through the turnstile. So I go from blue to red. Okay, well, it's just a line at this point. So I go from the blue side to the red side,

and there's a delicious sandwich there. No, yeah, yes, there's a delicious sandwich there that I have to uneat. Okay. So you uneat it in the red, because this is reverse, so. Yeah, I uneat the sandwich. Okay, so we've got an uneated sandwich. I then assume... I know, I don't want to interrupt too much but i yeah think if you're watching yourself eat a sandwich

that means that you would have to have the sandwich because it's the same room isn't it but one's just reverse yeah this is a reversal room and this is a forwarder room. There's a glass in the middle. Sorry, I got confused for a second. I forgot that the room is one big room. It's not like a mirror image of itself. It's just like one room. Yeah. Yeah.

Got real scared for a second because I was like, you're going to need a sandwich on both sides, but no, you're not. But I might want a sandwich on both sides because- Then you might get to eat two sandwiches No How many sandwiches will this need? It should only need one No

Wait No Yes Okay so what we gotta do Is Okay so Okay so Redmi has to eat the sandwich I need the sandwich

So it's got a perfectly good sandwich there Okay And then I go back to the turnstile But in the same So in the same time That I'm going back in time I need another person So it's got a perfectly good sandwich there, okay? And then I go back to the turnstile. So in the same time that I'm going back in time, I need another person. I need someone to help me. Someone goes to the other room, but not through the turnstile, just through the garage door, grabs my previously uneaten or the un-et sandwich moves into the blue room

and then I eat that sandwich. So therefore, I get to eat the sandwich twice? Or do I just eat it once and uneat it? No, I ate it in reverse time for me. So I would eat the sandwich twice. I ate the sandwich twice. I'm pretty happy. Yeah, but I don't think that

that loops, though. It doesn't loop, but I do get to eat. No, it's okay. New goal, because I don't think that that loops though no loop but i do get to eat no it's okay all right new goal because i don't know if i can loop this but i can definitely eat the same sandwich twice at least from my perspective i stopped looking at jackson's diagram for a second and now it is just it looks like a tennis court that you've drawn plays on but you just keep writing sandwich with two H's. Sandwich. Sandwich. Okay, so it's very simple. I don't know if I can perpetually eat a sandwich,

but I can definitely eat the same sandwich twice. So all I've got to do is have I start off in forward-o time, go reverso. As I'm a reverse boy, from the outside world, I am uneating a sandwich. But from my perspective, I am eating the sandwich. Okay.

Then I've un-eat the sandwich. The un-eat sandwich is now in that red room. I then go around through the turnstile tenant machine. And then either I then simply walk out myself go through the garage door grab the sandwich that I've previously ate but un-ate and then edit and I've eaten the sandwich twice

Hang on Nook is times Oh wait have I reverse polarity entropied the sandwich? Yeah the sandwich is a backwards sandwich So what happens when I try to eat the sandwich? Yeah, the sandwich is a backwards sandwich. So what happens when I try to eat the sandwich when I'm a photo? You'd somehow uneat the sandwich.

But I'm already uneat the sandwich! Your sandwich, if it's... It's a backwards sandwich. But the sandwich is whole! I guess it would shoot into your mouth? Death by sandwich, that's crazy. The bullets are holes but the bullets are moving forwards for the fellas that are going reverso so if the sandwich is because what okay wait but if you get a backwards sandwich from reverso you enter reverse entropy a sandwich yeah backwards land Which means the sandwich

Someone takes a reverse-o sandwich to forward-o land It's a backward entropy sandwich You uneat the sandwich Mmm Isn't the thing with Backwards Sandwich Now you spell sandwich with an M

Question mark Because surely If alright, so yeah Because if I go forward Go through the tenant machine So I'm now a backwards boy And I've already seen myself uneat a sandwich I'm like, aha, sandwich of my future And as I'm backwardsly eating my sandwich

I look over and I see myself Also eating a sandwich So I'm like, ah, I must have gone forward in time. So I go instantly after I finish uneating my sandwich, go forward in time, like back to the tenant's table. So what has happened to that sandwich, the one that I've uneaten? Can I eat that normally or do I need to be in backwards time? A reverse-o sandwich?

No, because I think a reverse-o sandwich, because like a bullet. But I haven't taken the sandwich, wait, no I haven't taken the sandwich through the machine, so it isn't a Reverso sandwich, right? No, because it's just a normal sandwich, but if you go back I thought the gun, the bullets that go

that have been charged with entropy backwards that they had to have gone through the tenant machine If I took the hoagie through the tenant machine, yeah, but I didn't. I went around the garage. I went through the front door. I went through the front door.

Zammett, I think if you are going backwards, so you're having one of these ones. Yeah. Whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop. Walking backwards. Walking around, yeah. And then you pick up a sandwich that is traveling forwards and then eat it. I think that is traveling forwards and then eat it i think that

does reverse entropy it straight off the bat so then i think see i just don't know what's gonna happen because i know that okay you can if you have a sand you place a sandwich in the forward time and then you hit it up when you're going reverso yes so then you can eat the sandwich like normal the same way that When you fire bullets In your Reverso They get sucked up No but Like your

When you're Reverso And you're shooting bullets The bullets look like They're going normal But then it's when people Are watching you go Reverso Then you're sucking The bullets back in

And for some reason Getting hit by a reverse bullet Is the worst thing That can happen You've got being shot With a normal bullet's bad Somehow this is worse But

But only You've just got to be It only happens to one person in the movie and they're fine so I really don't understand it happens to old mate as well who? it happens to the lady and she's gonna be reversed so it happens to Robert Patterson he's getting shot in the head by a reverse bullet

yeah but I feel like getting shot in the head with a forwarder bullet also is no worse, no better or worse like how do you even by a reverse bullet. Yeah, but I feel like getting shot in the head with a forward-o-bullet also is... No worse. No better or worse. How do you even quantify that? Is that like comparing a 10 to a 10.5? I think... Both are gonna end up with a bullet in the head,

but one's a little bit worse somehow. We don't know how or why, but we reckon. It's unclear. I think what has happened here is that the bullet going backwards through means that the wound gets worse with time but they don't really say that they just kind of but why would i don't understand because like the bullets going through you so it's already like healed yeah and it's like unhealing rather than hurting you if that makes sense because you've

always been shot but with the bullets that, they have gone through the tenant machine, haven't they? No, I think they just need to be, I don't think they necessarily need to have gone through the tenant machine. I think it's just that if you were to pick up something while you're a Reverso fella. No, because Mr. Tenant, at the start, he's handling Reverso bullets, and he's fine.

That's because of instinct. The fella that... No, but the fellow... Okay, so my understanding, and it could be wrong, and just look, before you... Because I think it's actually... So I think that if...

Okay, so we're all traveling normal in time at the moment. Forwarders, yes. If there's a forward... And we've got... Just say we've got a gun. Yeah. We've got a gun. And if we fire it now, it goes forward.

Like, it's normal. It's just a gun. But then someone walks in backwards through our room picks up the gun and shoots it oh no can they do that though yeah can you have a reverso sandwich because the sandwich is a complete thing that you make you can't backwards make a sandwich i think if you backwards make a sandwich i think that also your instinct will be that you've had to I'm not making the sandwich I'm eating the sandwich

I think because if you've got a backwards sandwich in your guts that's the only way to reverse entropy it which means that you could summon the sandwich I guess in forward time but I don't know if you can reverse eat it you might be able to regurgitate it though that's what I'm saying.

Hang on. Alright, so starting with forward me. Maybe I have already eaten a sandwich. The gun sucks in the bullets, but can you shoot them forward again? I don't know for sure. Let's go through.

So you start with forwards, Amit. I'm forwards. All right. Okay. So there is the room and there is that glass in the middle. There are currently, I can see there's me being a forwardo and I can see me on the other side, a reverso. Yeah. There is a sandwich on my side on a table.

On the other side, there is an empty plate. As for sandwich, I start eating my sandwich in the forward direction. I've ate my sandwich, and in the other side, I see myself for some reason, a knife and fork, pulling a sandwich out of my mouth, constructing the sandwich on the plate.

I then see me start heading towards the tenant turnstile. I quickly run to the tenant turnstile. I quickly run to the tenant turnstile, having already ate my sandwich. It's in your belly.

We then, I go in, he comes out. We turnstile. So now I'm a reverso. I then know what I have to do, which is uneat my sandwich. So I have an uneaten sandwich. In the past. The sandwich. Uh-huh. So I have an uneaten sandwich in that. In the past. The sandwich is in the past. I then see myself in the future eating a sandwich.

Uh-huh. So I know that I have to backwards. I then have to grab my uneaten sandwich. Yeah. Walk back or walk backwards outside the door. The turnstile or the regular door? No, the regular door to the outside world. Go into the other room with my uneaten sandwich.

Yeah. Place that down. No, he's right. Because that's the sandwich I've eaten. Yeah, and then if you get back to the turnstile, that's the sandwich you put there in the past. Yes. Okay, so the great news is you've got an infinite sandwich loop here.

Bad news is I think for it to work, you're also stuck in an infinite loop. That's fine. That's fine. That was my goal. We've got an infinite sandwich going. You eat the sandwich. You go into reversal time. You eat the sandwich. You go into reversal time. You vomit the sandwich up.

You take the sandwich in the past to the place. Then you reverse it back into the place where the sandwich will be. Eat the sandwich. So when you walk into this room for the first time, you're already going to see yourself backwards leaving. Yes. Has to. And great news. You can shoot yourself in the head at that point, time you're already going to see yourself backwards leaving yes has to and great news you can shoot

yourself in the head at that point because apparently the grandfather paradox is fine yeah and that'll just leave a permanent looping sandwich summit going forever so we have the end of the world it's just a man consuming and unconsuming a sandwich I've made the

loop so tiny that Tennant can't do shit! This is the end of the world! Eat shit, Mr. Protagonist! I fixed your riddle, and I'm eating a sandwich! I'm confused at why you think the world's gonna end now.

Because it's perpetually stuck in this one like, ten minute loop. No, only you are. Only you are. That's tenner, baby. The rest of the world continues like normal. They just decide they can't use this particular turnstile. Oh, no, they still can. It's just me looking very shifty at everyone, being like,

I thought this would stop everything but it's not this sandwich is pretty fucking good although I will confess after the tenth time I'm kind of sick of this sandwich now I'm gonna uneat this sandwich throwing up the sandwich is really the worst bit of this well you can

just like stop at any point as well because you're in control am I though because I see myself doing it so therefore I have to have already done it no you don't that's the thing with Tenet you can because you're still you still have free will the free will comes up in the movie I just

remembered that yeah but but old boy sees himself getting shot in the head or he knows he's gonna get shot in the head and he can't stop that. Well, maybe he can. We don't actually see it. Oh, no. He only goes forward with it because he's like,

well, it's to save the world. So I guess getting shot in the head is good. I'm like, well, to not eat this sandwich, I guess I can stop. Yeah. I don't need to eat this sandwich. Yeah. I think we figured it out.

Either way, I've got a delicious perpetual sandwich I feel Infinite Sango I think you've done it I think you have an infinite sandwich It has to start with me Walking in and seeing myself Leaving backwards in time

And a delicious sandwich already there So basically Zamin you need to understand And I think this is the part you're getting stuck on a little bit. That guy you're seeing is you. Yeah, I know. But that guy that you're seeing that is you. It's me in the future. No, but you currently and that other guy have different free will. So you can break the loop at any time.

They're making their decisions. You're making your decisions, even though it's the same guy yeah you and even though the ending of tenant suggests that maybe you have to get shot in the head yeah yeah i'm not sure how all right so let's say we've done this through like 20 times and i'm like man that's how he was good but like i feel i'm done i've had my fill forgot to put an ingredient on it? And then you have to go. That would be the heist. You have, like, I've got to add cheese to this sandwich. But the loop's in the past.

Well, that might be, like, say, the 10th time. I'm like, hang on a second. That sandwich had cheese in it. What happened? And obviously I would have had to have reverse hoed myself. To the shops. As I'm reverse hoeing and I'm about to, like, unopen the And as I'm like, as I'm reversing and I'm about to like, unopen the door,

I'm like, wait to the shops. And I reverse. Oh, and if you put forward entropy cheese on a backward entropy sandwich, what happens? Oh yeah. Cause I'm now,

cause before I wasn't making the sandwich, I was just putting the sandwich there. But if I'm making the, no, it would have to be like, surely it would be like, wait a second, there's cheese in this sandwich. How'd that happen? And I'd open up my jacket pocket and there'd be a delicious Kraft Singles there and I'd be like, ah, I know what's happened. Reverso Me has robbed or unrobbed a store, chucked that Kraft single.

So when I went in the tenant machine, the Kraft single was there and it was always there. And then I can put that in my sandwich and have cheese on it now. Yes. So. Yeah. Because when you first see this might fuck the cheese theory up as well. Yeah.

Because when you see the bullets backwards first, they're in a cut out piece of wall. Yes. Which to me suggests that that wall is also back to its entropy because it got shot. In the past. In the past. So I guess when you're chucking the cheese in the sandwich Either the cheese becomes Backwards itself Yeah

Or the No because what's going to happen is If I, Reverso me has gotten me like Ah clever, put that cheese in my pocket And then gone through the tenant machine That's now forward So therefore it has forward momentum As a forward boy I lift up the sandwich

and chuck in a slice of delicious Kraft simple. But is that not Reverso cheese? That's Reverso cheese putting in a forward-o sandwich. Because I went through the tenant machine, and now it's not Reverso, it's tenant cheese. Yeah, you anti- No, but if- But then how do they get backwards things?

I put it through the machine! How do they get Reverso bullets into a forwarder world if taking them through the machine stops them being reverse so bullets hey here's another layer that we haven't even touched on yet in a forwarder world they're selling reverse so bullets what happens when you buy a reverse so bullets it's then already in a wall you already you already bought them because So you bought it. So you're just like walking normally. I'm doing the action.

I'm going for a forward walk. You're like, hello. One thing of Reverso Bullets is I'm still walking. We're having a walking conversation. It's now written by Aaron Sorkin. It's a whole different thing. Oh, there's a scene.

There's a scene in. We're walking. We're buying Reverso Bullets.'s a scene! We're walking, we're buying Reverso bullets. It's good. We're walking, we're buying Reverso bullets. Okay, yeah, we're here. There's a scene in Tenet where they're having a very serious conversation and they're walking, so maybe this is just a reference to that.

And then at one point the protagonist is like, Jesus Christ, this is that way too loud. It was very funny to me. Anyway, I'm like, one packet of Reverso bullets. And they're like, yeah, I'm asleep, 20 bucks. Here's your baggie of Reverso bullets. But then I stop because I'm like one packet of Reverso bullets And they're like yeah I'm asleep 20 bucks Here's your baggie of Reverso bullets But then I stop because I'm like Wait but if they're Reverso bullets

Then they're gonna like unshoot into this gun That I guess you just gave me So you're selling me You can't load a Reverso bullet You're selling someone the idea of a bullet So you're like hey can I have 10 Reverso bullets They're like Can I have ten reverso bullets They're like yes

It's happened No because the reverso bullets haven't been shot yet Necessarily Because protagonist Can pick it up from the ground By instinct They're just bullets going backwards So if you've already shot the bullet

You've shot a reverso bullet He's already thrown them in reverse Because of instinct You've shot a reverso You can't shoot a reverso bullet But you can unshoot a reverso bullet Back into your gun Yeah

So I guess when you buy a reverso bullet You said yes too readily I don't think you really believe what i just said i guess what happens is when you buy a reversal bullet you're actually buying an empty gun no but he's not because he's not because the scientist lady shows him a bullet and he's like this is a reversal bullet so it is that's right and he he moves it around with his head he unpicks it up so you do buy a bullet unpicks it up but we did the gesture with his hand, he unpicks it up. So you do buy a bullet. Unpicks it up, but we did the gesture of picking it up.

Undrops it, I think, is what we meant. But unpicks it up is good. He undrops it, so it sucks back into his hand, and then doesn't he fire it? No. Then he puts it in his gun, and then he looks at a wall, and it unsucks up holes? But is it just a casing?

Is the bullet part in the wall, and he's putting the casing in the gun? In which case, then are they just selling you empty casings? And in which case, is the sandwich you're buying simply just an empty plate? No, but... Well, yeah, because when I walk in as a forwarder, and I see on the other side an empty plate, and then I see myself uneat it, then yes. But what I'm saying is, how do I break the loop? What happens to the world?

No, nothing happens to the world. But I've seen myself uneat a sandwich. So if I don't eat the sandwich, what happens? So there's a very, very, very brief moment in Tenet where Mira unbreaks. And it's because he did something different different and it's very easy to miss it's in the car reverse car chase mr bean thing another thing jackson said that i've now just said and made it seem like it was my idea yeah you can't change it up the side mirror unbreaks because he does something slightly different. So the same thing would happen.

You would not eat the sandwich and then you'd look over and the sandwich would still be there. Yes. Yeah. So I wouldn't eat a sandwich and I'd look over and there'd be an empty plate, but it would be crumbs. Or there'd be no crumbs. And I guess my reverse face going like, oh! Jackson stopped sharing his screen with us and then immediately opened it again. It's something that's triggered him.

I feel like I need, there we go. I need to do a new diagram for timelines because I don't get it anymore. I've become confused. So, okay. So it's very simple. A forward me goes into a room and there is a sandwich. It's on a table.

Yeah. And there's me walking backwards through the machine. This is Zamet forward. Yeah. And this is Zamet backwards, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

You've got the opposite of the movie Where you've given forward Zammett blue And backward Zammett red I like that, a subtle touch So I see myself Leaving the room and I'm like Oh okay And so then I look over And there's me

Eating I should do it like this And there's me Eating sandwich At the other end I get that I should do it like this And there's me Eating the sandwich At the other end I get that So you're going forward I know what I gotta do

I gotta eat the sandwich So at this point in the timeline You eat the sandwich Yep I eat the sandwich And at this point in the timeline You eat the sandwich. I eat the sandwich. And at this point in the timeline, you uneat the sandwich.

Okay? I go into the tenant machine. I go reverse. I then sit down and I uneat the sandwich. And I look over and I see myself eating a sandwich. Okay, now, what happens if you're doing this?

You loop eight times. Ninth time, you don't eat the sandwich. Yep. Oh, wait. No, it is a loop, but I can break it any time because it's a new loop. Yes. Because then I see myself not eat the sandwich. Yes, that's right.

Two different guys, yes. Then I go backwards in time and go outside the garage door into the other. I'm like, aha, I know what to do this time. There's nothing to see because you've not eaten the sandwich. Because it's not a loop. It's just you doing the same thing again and again and again. It's not a loop like a loop's a loop. It's just a repetitive action.

It's just a repetitive action of me enjoying a sandwich by the tenth time being like, oh, yeah! Fuck! I don't have to eat this sandwich forever now. It's not an infinite sandwich. It's just a sandwich as many times as you want it. Which is ten. Pretty good way of using backwards time.

May I just say. Eating? Okay. Yeah, because often we chase that high. We have a meal and we're like, that was a great meal. I wish I could eat it again. But no one wants to eat the same meal forever. And Joel Zammett, using Tenant, you've finally figured out you can have it as many times as you want and you can stop any time.

Yes. And that perfect, again, because if I have the perfect sandwich, I have that perfect sandwich, let's say 10 times, I'm pretty sated with that sandwich. Because there are some times like that meal was so good, I wish I had it again, and now I can and did. And then I could stop it any time I wanted to. And also-

It shows growth. You're also eating the same sandwich 10 times and not needing to shit once. Yeah, that's true. Because you uneat it and you get it out of you. That's pretty good. Can I now put forward an idea, a concept maybe? I'm scared. I'm legitimately stunned.

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Well, I don't think you can repeat the date, because what would happen is you'd have the date- You'd have to take them with you. Yeah. You'd go through the tenant machine. Yeah. And you'd go reverse in time, and then you'd have to somehow-

Oh, wait, no. Quickly go somewhere to go forward in time. But then you would see yourself having the date, and you'd be like, wait! Yeah, no, Zama's right. But you can have a double date with yourself, which is fine. You can have a double date where you are going backwards and the date's going forward.

But unfortunately... No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, yes, you can happily do that. But you could go backwards in time for like a day before. Yeah. Right? Or even like an day before. Yeah. Right. Or even like an hour before and then go back and then go through the tenant machine. So now that there's two versions of you and your date going forward in time.

Yeah. And then you could both sit down and enjoy a double date. How far back in the past is the past? What? A minute. What? Literally a second. What?

Well, because protagonist goes back two weeks when he goes through the turnstile. Right? What do you mean? Well, no, he has to live through that. So if he goes through that, he's got to wait. He's got to live those two weeks. Will the sandwich go off is my question. No, no, no.

It's not a set two weeks. He only does that because the events he needs to stop are two weeks earlier. So this is happening at the same time seconds apart Yeah It's happening at the same time Okay alright If I sat down and waited two weeks Yeah Yeah

Oh no Maybe we fucked this How far back is it back No no zamet just needs to make sure he gives it enough time that he no actually no it doesn't matter because yeah zamet because zamet zamet's watching himself uneat a sandwich and then step into the tenant machine and as he does that he steps into the other tenant machine it's the same thing they do in the movie actually they time it so that they jump into the machine Just as the other people jump into the machine So like

Okay so again So that there's not two fellas There's not two versions of you because it's dangerous to touch each other Or whatever But I could in theory Have one time just leg it And see yourself uneat the sandwich yes In theory

I could have a double date with myself and my partner. Yes, but you wouldn't be able to relive that date because you're creating another version of you when you go back. We would have the memory of us having a lovely date by ourselves, and then we would have the memory of being ruined by our past selves or our future selves. No, no, no. You wouldn't regain memories.

Wait a second. Hang on a second. So if I have a date. Oh, no. We were safe. We were home free. Because if I have a date, would I already have experienced having a double date with myself and my partner? No.

Okay. But why not? Because this is the thing. Because in terms of the free will is still a thing, every version of you, even though it's the same guy, has different free will, and therefore at any point you can break the timeline. And it's why the grandfather paradox is like,

you can blow up the past and not affect the future, allegedly. The movie also says maybe that's not true. But Robert Pattinson... the past and not affect the future allegedly the movie also says maybe that's not true but yeah robert pattinson no no so basically like so you go on a date you've loved that date you then travel back in time you would you would have memories of going on the date and then you'd have memories of you being the sec you third wheeling your own date yeah but yeah that version of you would have never had so the version of the you whose date you're wrecking will just have the memory of what started as a nice date and then you rocking up and i myself yeah rocked up yeah because like but if i have a lovely date with my partner that was like that was lovely let's do it again. Or like, that was lovely.

I guess the impotence of doing it again wouldn't cross my mind because we haven't experienced that, I guess. But if I'm having the date and I'm like, oh, there is us again, but like 20 minutes from now. Yeah. I guess this was a really good date and now we want to, oh, now they're coming over. What if you set up the date like this? So this is the window and you have a half.

Let's talk about a complication that this is not like an instant thing that would happen. But you could, in this theory, using your date and wrecking your own date theory, accidentally cause a child to be unborn. How? No, because, okay,it zamit has a lovely date with his partner they fall in love uh and then well zamit has a lovely date with his partner he goes back in time tries to have a double date with himself it goes terribly yeah but then he goes back to his normal life yeah becomes a forward oh again yeah that's him from his timeline and then him and his partner

like that was really funny and nice and they keep having dates they get engaged and then get married then have sex for the first time as the lord intended have a child uh i'd never have sex for fun only have sex to procreate have a child one not one kid that's the policy exactly have a child raise a child kid does shit whatever yep kid is just a kid. But in the other version, like, the timeline you went back to, that double date, you wreck the chemistry between you and your partner by just rocking up because they're like, wow, this is actually really fucked. They don't want to go in another-

One I could handle. Two, no thank you. I liked that initially. I was like, me and my partner go back. But now I'm like, nah, just mate. It's just you. Well, it doesn't matter, you and your partner or just you. i'm like nah just mate it's just you well it doesn't matter you and your partner or just you either way you rock up yeah and then like your actions cause

them to not go on a second date so therefore that kid is never born so you have a kid but then your other timeline doesn't no but wouldn't that remove the kid from the main timeline i don't know because it's the same time because it's the same time because it's the same timeline yeah it's the same time there's no parallel it's not two timelines it's the same one you're just in it twice hey so let's go back to the movie again for a second because that okay this exact thing kind of happens but in reverse rather than child being born a man is killed yeah he's only killed in one version which one the end one he's killed in both what man what man the bad the russian man he's killed is he killed in both he's killed in all timelines right no because there's only one timeline at the start of the movie yeah lady

whose name I forget Elizabeth Debicki that's the actress's name I'm pretty sure she sees her who she describes as a beautiful lady jumping off a boat and swimming away which was herself killing her husband

no she just sees him jump her husband died because it's her future husband that came back he was a reversal then i guess hopped into a forward bit so it's like him from the future is coming back to the past because he wants to really live that moment because that's when he wants to kill himself oh yeah that's right because the actual version of him is doing something else yeah yeah shot by um elizabeth and then um the driver, who I don't know if they named, tugboats his body around. Away so that no one sees.

No one knows that he's dead. So I guess maybe the kid never exists. Well, no, because he's... No, but then the double date always happens. So the double date always had to happen which is what i'm saying so if i have a date and then i see me and my wonderful partner rock up i'm like oh i know what's happened we have a tenant machine so this date must have been sick and then like a third person like a third couple come up which are also like oh i guess we just kept doing it but it had to have happened

there's there had to be no original date where it was just me and my partner it always had to have been gatecrashed for the the future me and my partner right it always had to happen which is why there was always a reservation for four and that also means that that's why the sandwich is different because the sandwich you're just eating however many times you end up eating it, that was always the same amount of times you ate it. Yeah. Yes. You're always going to eat it ten times, get a bit bored, go on a cheese heist, and have it for the eleventh time and be like, I think I'm done now. So, I think we've figured it out.

I think the best use of tenant may, in fact, be eating a sandwich ten times. Yeah, I think you might be on the money there because that means i reckon that's yeah because i didn't and on that note i've been sated uh yeah yeah yeah hey everyone who hasn't seen tenant uh we do a better job of explaining it than the movie does. I want you all to just drop some how-to-do-it-to-them hands and say Tenet and then know that you're actually recreating a scene from the film. Yeah.

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