Plumbing the Death Star - Tony Stark's Dead! Who Cares? Now What for the MCU?

Episode Date: February 14, 2021

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Sands Pants Radio, Australia's most procedurally generated podcast network. Hey everyone, and welcome to this week's episode of Plumbing the Death Star, where we ask the important questions like, Tony Stark's dead, who cares, now what for the MCU? Rip that old idiot It's time for the youth to shine I think Pepper might care He does have a daughter Who isn't dead

Happy seems pretty torn up by it Well his name's Happy So he should fucking get over it. So does, like, you know, Rhodes. Yeah, I was just saying I'm happier. When I read the news, Tony Stark's dead. I'm like, yes! You guys are like, why?

He was old! He was too high up! Weren't you sick of seeing his big fucking mugging head looking at us and mugging all the time? I'm Iron Man, hmm. I didn't like his beard thing going on. Look at my awful beard. Hmm. It's good to imagine the three of us in an apartment

and I'm flicking to channels he's specifically on to be like, oh, this guy. Look at his facial. I've got a real beard. There's nothing on but Tony Stark. Just shave it. Jackson, please just change the channel. Okay. And I just loop back around to that channel again. Oh!

I hate this channel. Okay. And I just loop back around to that channel again. Oh, I hate this guy. Anyway. So yeah. So the end of an end game or far from home, which is the most recent we'll be talking about the Marvel cinematic universe. I don't care when you're listening to this. WandaVision sort of happening,

but that is not relevant right now. No, no, no. Pretend this episode came out when far from home ended the moment it ended. Pretend plumbing. The death star had its fingers when Far From Home ended. The moment it ended. Pretend Plumbing the Death Star had its fingers on the pulse,

okay, for a fucking second. We didn't do episodes about whatever we thought of at the moment, like the fucking Smurfs or whatever. Instead of talking about Ro, rather, we talked about this. This episode takes place in an alternate universe where Plumbing the Death Star is a relevant podcast. The snap happened and we got clever. We were like, oh wow, we should cash in on that. Do an episode that's relevant to what's

happening. You know when people care about Spider-Man? They're kind of like, we haven't seen Spider-Man for a while. Don't care. We care a little bit, but like, he's not in the forefront of our brain. It's been a whole year. Guys, a pandemic happened. We were just behind. But yeah, old Tony, so let's go through the state of my brain. There's been a whole year Guys, a pandemic happened. We were just behind. But yeah, old Tony,

so let's go through the state of the Avengers. Okay, so it's 2023. Spider-Man's back because he got unclicked and so are all the other Spider-Man, we know who he is now. We know who Spider-Man is. Okay, Spider-Man. Okay, good. I like what you're on to here. So we know

two things so far. Tony Stark dead, no one cares. Spider-Man revealed face, no one cares. Everyone maybe cares. Not me again. Who? He was just some white kid. I don't know that. Just a wiener boy from Queens.

Yeah, like I'm checking the TV. It's like, okay, it's Spider-Man is this kid. I'm like, so? I just don't know who that kid is. No, he'd make me feel like even more of a piece of shit. Yeah, because you're like... Because if that was like Cap America. Oh, yeah, he was from World War II, and he got experimented on.

I can't be that good. Well, I am Tony. Yeah, you're not rich. I'm not rich. He had a rich parent. I get it. A kid. Yeah.

God damn it. But it's also mostly good because Tony Stark told them to be good? You don't have a rich dead mentor. Yeah, that's true. I might go out and find one. I might go out and fucking bit by spiders. I feel that might be an implication. Okay, so as children I can imagine that happening.

As a 35-year-old man, that is surprising to hear. Me flicking through the channels yelling and Zammett dead on the couch. You come home with groceries, I'm like Zammett's stiff. And I still hate Tony Stark. I'm like, he's dead, who cares? He's been crawling. He's got spiders crawling on his corpse.

Spider-Man is, which will probably be bad. But we've only seen J. Jonah Jameson be like, Well, the thing is, when this was going from the comic book stuff, when it was revealed who Peter Parker was, it was a problem for his rogue gallery, right? Because the rogue gallery were like, Fat piece of shit.

Let's go and bomb the school kind of thing. But his rogue gallery so far already knew who he was. Vulture knew who he was. Mysterio. Mephisto. I almost said Mephisto, and then I almost said Ray Mysterio. Mysterio knew who he was,

revealed him. Yeah, for sure. Dead, maybe. Probably not. Chances are. Who's ever really dead? Lots of fellas. Exactly.

Well, Captain America has time retired. So old that he's basically dead. Yeah, yeah. Oh, isn't Shocker? Isn't Shocker? He doesn't know who, because he was like, hey, Michael Keaton,

who's... Oh, it's the big reveal of the next Spider-Man movie is the Shocker knows who Spider-Man is. Well, he's part of the Sinister Six. Scorpion? Not Shocker? Maybe it was Scorpion.

In prison, they were like, you know who thing is. Oh, yeah, Matt Gargan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I guess bad things are going to happen for old mate. Or maybe not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it things are gonna happen for all my maybe not yeah yeah yeah I mean flash Thompson my best friend yeah yeah he'll be like

penis fuck are you like who are you I could now you know I could mash you like a bar yeah but not but not because flash love he loved him oh. He loves Spider-Man. He'll have an internal conflict. He'll be like, I hate Peter Parker, but I love Spider-Man. He's going to be Spider-Man's biggest fan club. He's going to be part of the Spidey gang. Thor is now with the Guardians of the Galaxy crew. And

depressed, but maybe it's a joke. Yeah, I think he's fine now. I think he's happy now that he's in charge of the Guardians. He's just working through shit. Yeah, he was working through shit, and he saw Jane again. I think he's happy now that he's in charge of the Guardians. He's just working through shit, you know? Yeah, he was working through shit. And he saw Jane again. No, he didn't. Rocket saw Jane again. Rocket stabbed her with the thing.

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it doesn't matter? No, well, it happened in the past, so. So when Thor broke up with her, it already happened, maybe. Or it was a different timeline. He's in space now. Don't worry about it. He's got another eye?

Yes. And he's got Mjolnir back as well. And he's got Stormbreaker. Yeah, the big axe. He's got two new, one new weapon, one old weapon. Yeah, that's nice. Something borrowed, something blue. Who else?

Hulk's a nerd. Hulk is permanently Hulk, but nerd Hulk? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That will probably just not really do anything. People know Bruce Banner's Hulk. Bruce Banner just doesn't have to hide, but also still does have to hide because he's Hulk he's gonna get special clothes made now yeah okay I guess he always did um I like this part of the episode where we're vaguely remembering MCU yeah okay so so with Captain America what's gonna

happen with Captain America from now do you think he's gonna ever enter the the rest of like a training position kind of like a Nick Fury position. Ah, it's too old. Where he's like, what happened again in the comics? Where he's like, I'm going to become the head of S.H.I.E.L.D. and kind of like be that. Or he's like, I'm done. I had my kids. I have my wife. I'm done. I think he's too old. I think that if they wanted to do that, I think if an old man that was

in his 90s was like, do this. I'm like, no. I'll push you over. Surely though, they're going to have at some moment in the MCU a like you know Steve Rogers and he's like oh my back I've got liver spots now

but surely they're gonna have like a oh no I hate old people and I don't know why they're too old, makes me scared of the future I don't like being reminded of my own mortality. That's why I liked Captain America, because I thought he was never going to die.

No, no, no. Mortality's fine. I just don't want to look like that. When I look at a grave, I'm not scared. I'm like, yeah, good. Can't wait. No, but surely there'll be a scene where they're like, who's going to help us?

And then the shield spins around into a hand silhouette. Oh, it's Captain America. Except Falcon and Winter Soldier, and they're fighting over who is going to help us? And then the shield spins around into a hand silhouette. Oh, it's Captain America again. Except Falcon and Winter Soldier and they're fighting over who is new Captain America and they have the shield. Yeah, I honestly don't think we're going to get Steve Rogers back. I think we're going to maybe get a gravestone in life, Steve Rogers.

Oh, you're right. They probably will in the new Captain America and Winter Soldier or whatever it's called. Falcon and Winter Soldier, I literally just said it, but that's okay. Don't listen. I wouldn't. I'm not. Because again, I reckon Chris Evans might be done.

Yeah, that's very fair. And I think the only thing he might come back for is maybe a voice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sort of like a what if. I think because also Old Mate Tone's coming back in a what if. Well, yeah, what if is already done. Yeah, so they'll come back for that. But also what if, what if, what if, what if, what if.

It didn't matter. Because what if is a separate thing, not part of the thing. That's true. It also could be like, Chris Evans could be like, I'm so out. And then Disney, like, I understand this. However, look at this money. There's already rumors he's back. He'll probably show up in Falcon and Winter Soldier.

But if they tell, if he's like, hey, Falcon and Winter Soldier, who I'll call Bucky, because that's his name. Yeah. And we're friends. If they try and boss him around, don't listen. Shut up. I think he'll come back and be like,

we can all be Captain America. Splits the shield in three. As opposed to throwing it with this jagged metal he can stab cunts with. That's so much good, but oh, this is great. So much good, but I do. so much good better dude he's old leave him alone turncoat for the elderly something's gone wrong with stevie

yeah also ant-man and the was, just when we were remembering the MCU, they are a team and have been to the quantum realm before. They're small. And they'll probably go to the quantum realm again. Do you reckon Wasp will get big? Yes. Here's the thing. What's going on here? A podcast

where we vaguely remember the MCU. We're doing the podcast that people wanted us to do seven years ago. They're like, oh, a Star Wars podcast. Oh, they talk about nerdy stuff. And then, oh, they're not speculating. They're talking about jamming their dick in Roadrunner or something. Now we're giving them what they want way too late.

They're like, this isn't the show I listen to either. Anyway, what were you saying? So Ant-Man goes into the quantum realm. Correct. Yes. For how long? Five years. Five years. Comes out out hasn't changed hasn't

aged a day it's a bot yeah right it's a button he hasn't aged a day yeah yes jeanette van dyne possibly is that mama wasp she goes into the quantum realm ages many days yes how come she ages an ant-man doesn't or does ant-man actually age and you just can't tell when a man goes from like what like 40 to 45 you can just not tell when Paul Rudd goes from 40 to 45 if they're like why did you age Jeanette Van Dyne and they're like Paul Rudd is

ageless attention audience Paul Rudd this actor Paul Rudd playing Ant-Man in the film you're currently watching has in fact aged he just doesn't look it. Here's a still from him in Clueless. See? Pretty much the same. This was 30 years ago. Or is it a thing because

how long was Janet in? 30 years. So maybe it was a thing where it was like she was just aging way slower. But she still aged. But I thought time didn't move in the quantum realm. It might move differently. Anyway, I just thought maybe it would add to the speculation because also in the quantum realm, there's that little tiny city

and maybe she went in there and they filled it with aging juice. They're like, you're not from born here. Have juice, we make age. I like this theory let's talk through this so gotten bad so we're

little tiny men in we're living in the quantum realm the city in the quantum realm it's an easter egg I know

we're the city in the quantum realm we're like we live in the quantum realm who's this who's this I'm Jeanette Van Dyne

and I won't age a day. Have this aging juice, clunk. I'll stab you in the knee with the sun. No! You're the age that you've been in the quantum realm for the sun. I'm sick. Let's go ride a water pier. We're watching it in the cinema like, wow, what happened?

I did not expect. They answered the aging juice. Aging juice. They literally called it aging juice. They gave it to her because she. You're an outsider. We don't like you. You need to age in an appropriate way.

We discovered the fountain of youth, not you. We discovered the fountain of anti-youth because you don't age, but this one will make you age. That explains it, audience. Huh. That was my biggest question. Thank you, new Ant-Man and the Wasp. I reckon the aging juice is a, what do you call it?

A Chekhov's gun. They'll use that down the track. Oh, no. We brought Iron Man back, but he's five. I know what will happen here. Oh, shit. Thanos is back. If only we could make him older.

And then break his neck. I hear you can just push them down. They're real brittle. Yeah, the elderly. I stand up in the cinema like you can I know this this movie's tailor made for us they used the aging juice

to make that oh dear okay so and Doctor Strange is still Doctor Strange yeah he's just the same thing except I think Wong was dead for a bit but now he's alright yeah he's cool now he's sick he's just the same thing, except I think Wong was dead for a bit, but now he's all right. Yeah, he's cool now. He's sick. He's better.

He got better. Yeah, that's sick. Ant-Man and the Wasp are also fine. Do they have the gems? No. The Infinity Stones, didn't they break? So the Infinity Stamp gems from this realm, I guess whatever the realm, the MCU realm. Captain America takes them back.

Yeah, no, but like, so they got destroyed by Old Mate, and then they got ones from different universes, and then they took them back. So then that world now no longer has any stones. Yes. Yeah, the world, the MCU that we know and love has no stones. No. It's stone-less.

So Doctor Strange's belt buckle is empty. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's got no jewels. That's not his belt buckle, it's his necklace. He's got no jewels. That's not his belt buckle. It's his necklace. He's got no jewels. So it's jewel-less. What does that do to a man?

Because doesn't a lot of him power come from them jewels? Only his time power. No, he's a fucking wizard. He's a sorcerer supreme. Yeah, but he uses time magic. Only to do the time thing With the That's the point

I think Raj Al Ghul Or whatever that guy's name is Dommamu Dommamu Yeah He annoys him to death That's good

Look I think 15 minutes Into the episode This is how this episode Has got to look Okay I think we need to figure out What the next movie For each one is

Based on what Has happened In the end to you But first What We've got to figure out Doctor Strange He doesn't have a jaw for each one is based on what just happened in the end to you. First, what? We've got to figure out Doctor Strange. He doesn't have a jewel anymore. All of his powers except for being able to reverse time

he can still do. He's got no fucking wizard. But his necklace is going to hold him. What's he going to do without the jewel? The Infinity Stones also weren't destroyed. They just had their power taken. No, they were destroyed. But weren't the...

I think the actual jewels themselves still exist because Thanos is still wearing the glove. Oh, is he? Because I know because he's like, I use the power of the gem to destroy the gem. Oh, yeah, that's right. He's second thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Fair enough. Yeah, he's jewel-less! Jewel-less! What I'm saying is because at one point, I think it's the ancient one. Yeah. She's like, if there's no stones, bad shit happen in the world. So I

reckon bad shit will happen in the world. That's a brave theory. What a hot take. I reckon the MCU will be fine and every movie is going to be conflict free. That's nice. But okay, so here's a question then. Do you think that a lot of the conflicts that are happening in the MCU

will be about the fact that this universe is gemless or are they going to steal them from other universes? Like the shit cunts they are. I'm going to go bold and say that Tony Stark is going to be seen as the second coming of Jesus Christ. Okay, okay. Because he sacrificed himself for our sins. Hang on a bit.

Wait, what? I don't think the snap didn't happen because of sinning yeah i take your sin this your first and all unbaptized babies nobody has sins anymore click um but also like i am i'm inevitable i'm the second coming of christ click but also we don't but how much do we johnny q human know about what happened up in space? We've said that we won't worry about WandaVision but for this we'll just draw on the couple of episodes

that have come out. They know that they called the blip and that's actually a thing and like obviously it's also at the start of Spider-Man where they're like yeah people came back and people crashed into the band that were playing basketball. Do I know Tony Stark did this? I guess there's proof Tony Stark has a heart. I know he's dead.

So look, if Hulk told me or whatever. There'd be a lot of conspiracy theories around what happened. Would you be like, I'm magic or would I be more religious? Yeah, I don't know. Because it could be very much like, oh yeah, it is a religious thing. And there might be like a little sex of Iron Man cult going on. But also. Oh, also how much like of iron

man tech is he just like left around yeah definitely make a cult out of that bullshit oh yeah yeah yeah for sure well but then also like you've seen aliens yeah i have because of uh oh yeah the chitori in the film not my daughter etc et cetera. You bitch. Yes. No, like in Battle of New York, we've seen aliens. We know aliens exist. But in, I want to say, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., there are people being like, yeah, but did it really happen? So there is doubt and speculation.

I've seen Ultron, I think. We know Sokovia got dropped out of the sky. Yeah. Yeah. speculation that i've seen ultron i think we know sokovia got dropped out of the sky yeah yeah yeah yeah plus metahumans keep popping up here and there yeah well okay here's my question so in the previous however many phases there were four i don't know three um every movie in a way sort of centered around one of the infinity stones at least at first yeah you know what i mean and that was useful for the writers because they could be like well here's our fucking through line for all the movies what do they got now or are we gonna have just like

unstructured whatever unique threats to everything or is everything gonna tie back into are they gonna do an avengers again where it's like this this this and then this guy's your bad boy because then then you gotta think about who's that Avengers-level threat. Is it going to be Galactus? Is it going to be Kang? Krang? Krang the Conqueror? Krang the Conqueror?

Krang? Krang from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? I live in guts! I'm a little head! I put myself at belly height for some reason. It's good for gut punches! Bad for gut punches, because you can get punched in the guts. There's not even any protection.

You could pick him out of there and squish him like a soap. Doesn't a brainiac do a similar thing? Could do. Put himself in a man's belly? Yeah. What does brainiac look like? Just a guy. Or a virus.

Anyway. Brainiac virus. So Kang the Conqueror? Time travel Yeah do we think So they could do a classic like You know almost Season one of Heroes

Save the cheerleader Save the world Yeah Well I mean okay Let's talk about this This is pretty important In the new Spider-Man movie Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield

Are gonna be there And maybe the infamous chimney scene Will make a return. But we don't have a chimney. What? They'll at least have to reference it, right? It's everyone's favorite scene. Surely.

James Garfield's Spider-Man will land in a Spider-Man pose and be like, I don't even have a chimney. And then Tom Holland will say, what? Or maybe he'll just land and he'll see Spider-Man and be like, what? Or he'll be in Spider-Man's house and spider-man will have a fireplace and he'll be like we don't have one of these in my house and then you and the audience will be like what if they don't reference it i'm walking out that's funny because they might reference it at the end so you still see the whole film jackson there was a post-cits sequence that was just that scene again.

Whaaaaat? Whaaaaat? But yes, so that means that there's gonna be some multiverse malarkey. Well I mean Doctor Strange, the new one's called. The multiverse of madness, that's true. So presumably multiverse will probably be the big thing but also what, Thanos again? Imagine they do Thanos again. Thanos keeps coming back in the fucking comics.

Maybe he'll bring his Thanos costume. Comes back as a baby and then he can use the aging juice. He does come back as a baby in the comics. He gets raised by Punisher ghost rider. Cosmic ghost rider. But okay, so the movies Multiverse of Madness

obviously tied into the multiverse. Spider-Man 3 obviously tied into the multiverse. Spider-Man 3, obviously tied into the multiverse. Which just tied into WandaVision. Yeah, which just tied into WandaVision. What about, see, Ant-Man and the Wasp is called like something, the quantum something. It's like Quantum Realm or something like that. Yeah, Quantumania.

Quantumania, yes. I think that's it. Like Hulk Hogan's past-a-mania. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, and the Quantum Realm is is it's not like alternate universe multiverse shit but it's sort of adjacent to multiverse shit so i'm sure it'll tie in in some way don't they get to how do they use the quantum realm in in in in game they go in it and then they go to different part like they go they use it to time travel they go to the past but it makes a different

to a different part. They go to the past. They use it to time travel. They go to the past, but it makes a different... It's an alternate... Yeah. It is a multiverse. It's a multiverse already. It's alternate timelines. It's not so obviously the multiverse, but you're right. It is the multiverse. So that'll be multiverse related as well.

Black Widow probably won't be. Black Widow is set in between Civil War and Infinity War. Reckon they're going to bring her back? Maybe. I mean, because it seems to be if you sacrifice yourself to the Soul Stone, you can't bring them back. Yeah, that's true.

Except they've already done that twice. Gamora came back and... No, she didn't. Different Gamora came back. Yeah, but maybe we'll get different Black Widow. But Gamora came back. Yeah, but different Gamora came back. Nebula, Dad came back, different one.

Yeah, so there's a chance we'll get different Black Widow, maybe. I was going to say, either different Black Widow or Cyborg. That would be cool. Maybe they make her vision too. Also doesn't have a soul. Yeah, that's true. Are they the only movies that are coming out?

Are there any other ones confirmed? The Shang-Chi. Oh yeah, Shang-Chi. Oh, yeah, Shang-Chi. Yeah, and the Ten Rings. The Mandarin? I don't know how that could be related to the multiverse, though. Using the Ten Rings to...

Open the multiverse? Hopefully not everything is related to the multiverse. Guess what? Eternals is also the other one. Big multiverse. That'd probably create the multiverse. Yeahiverse yeah yeah yeah because because even though you had all the mcu films weren't always like specifically related to the infinity yeah they always like kind of were in the background lurking there i think my theory is we're going to end up with like kind of like two timeline well not timelines but two kind of things that are happening at the same time which is the solo movies and tv series are going to tie into one of two things oh yeah so we've got

falcon falcon and winter soldier which is kind of off shooting from captain america retiring and like the kind of like the winter soldier kind of films and i think that that will have a secret tie into black widow i reckon florence pew will pop up in that. Okay. And then I think that that will lead into the more normal-ish superhero stuff, I guess. Yeah, yeah. So you reckon, I guess, there's new Black Widows coming out. They'll be kind of like passing the torch, but in the past. So when the torch is already passed, everyone's like, yeah, we got it. Yeah, we know.

Yeah, well, because Florence Pugh, I think, is playing White Widow. I think that's the name of her character. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I reckon- Yeah, there was a a second black widow in the comics for a while I reckon they'll do that and I still think that Scarlett Johansson will come back at some point yeah yeah inevitably Florence Pugh's hot property at the moment and they would have been like can you sign this 18 picture deal and she'd be like cheerio then I'm British I think you can I love two things making films and my husband, Zach Braff,

even though it upsets everyone else in the world. I love two things, the MCU and fish and chips. I love baking. A third thing as well, a sport team. Yeah, but I think there was something that the people who made the MCU, whatever their names are. Don and John. Kevin Feige.

Kevin Feige. I want to say kevin giovanni kevin fitch i think well the creators of firegate but that's it's fine they were like no cheap deaths i think was something that they said that they wanted but you got heaps yeah well we've had heaps and you gotta remember that the way the mcu works is that like they kind of are riding on they got like some tricks up their sleeves so it was really exciting to see that iron man and thor and hulk were all going to be in the same universe and then you were like oh my god all the movies are tying together for the for the avengers or whatever and now they're like oh and you know the other properties from other films that were about marvel comics that's also

included and so then they'll be out of tricks but but that means that they you know bring back an iron man or whatever tony stark uh uh ro Robert Downey Jr. That's another trick. Yeah. So they'll come back eventually. They never won't. Look, let's take given moments out and be like, all right,

what, what cheap deaths or has there, has there been, has there been any, anything where they're like, not a fake out, but I mean like someone's died and come back. Oh,

and just quickly to finish my thought from before, before we get to that. So yeah, the timeline of the normal shit. And then you've got the one division timeline that the one going to a multiverse of madness, but also Spider-Man, I think Spider-Man will kind of bridge the two

to kind of ease people that are like, I hate this fuck shit. Give me superheroes punching each other in the balls till their penises literally explode. I'm looking for bruised groins. And yeah, Spider-Man 3 will, people will be more accepting of that. Cause like,

oh, it's those spider fellas I love. Yeah. It's not weird space shit. And then yeah. Then multiverse of madness. Thor, Love and Thunder is another one.

True. Yeah. Sorry. So no cheap deaths. Has there been any kind of cheap deaths? Well, I would say Gamora and Nebula. But that's like happened in the same film.

Yeah. But that's, oh, okay. Nick Fury. Nick Fury. That was a cheap death. But that's, I mean, that's, that's like three fake outs. Yeah. It's fake... Oh, okay. Nick Fury? Nick Fury, that was a cheap death. But that's like three fake outs.

Yeah, yeah. It's fake outs kind of stuff. I would say that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is maybe not canon, but it also is canon, but also probably isn't canon. I think that for it to count as a cheap death, it has to have... Because what bringing a character does is it negates whatever emotional weight the character dying had.

And every character that has died, even if it's in the same film and come back, has absolutely done that. Nebula dies. You're like, damn, heavy. Nebula comes back. You're like, I don't care anymore. You know what I mean?

I killed Nebula. No, but yeah, but then now she's back and she's just different. Same with Gamora. No, it's old Nebula they killed. Yeah, yeah. Okay, well, maybe Nebula's not a bad example. But Gamora. Gamora is Okay, well, maybe Nebula's not a bad example. But Gamora!

Gamora! Gamora is like, oh, Gamora's back, and the only weight of her dying is that now she's got to fall in love with Space Lord again. You got bad Gamora now. Yeah, but she's not going to be bad. You're telling me she's going to be bad for good? You got good Nebula and bad Gamora.

You think Gamora's going to stay bad? That's the funniest trick ever. They're like, what if we just killed... What if we flipped the script? Gamora's going to stay bad. That's the funniest trick ever. They're like, what if we just killed... What if we flipped the script? Gamora's been good for two movies and Nebula's been bad for two movies. What if we killed them at Switch? Yeah, what if we kill bad Nebula and good Gamora?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's funny by just putting these words in our mouths, everything immediately sounds stupider. Yeah, I know. And Tony Stark's going to click and die. Gamora bad, nobular good. What if...

Turn around and give the people thumbs up. Star-Lord and Gamora will get back together again. Guaranteed. Is this a way of being like, well, we gotta make Star-Lord single. Nah, everyone hates... People don't relate Star-Lord single. No, everyone hates... People don't relate to people in relationships.

Yeah, I don't know why. No, I'll tell you why I think it is. I think it's because otherwise they can only draw out the like, whoa, will they be like a proper couple or won't they be a proper couple for so long? But this way they can take themselves back to square zero and give them a harder climb to get them to be a couple. Alternatively, they won't get together.

And it also means you get Gamora's backstory, which you didn't previously have. That's true. That will be good. But I bet you, I'll bet you cold hard cash, 20 bucks that he'll end up with Gamora again. 20 bucks right here, right now? Right here, right now.

Oh my Lord. I guarantee it. Yeah, no, I agree with that bet, but I'm going to take the bet just to add some dramatic tension. Yeah. Look, I will genuinely take that bet because I don't think they take the bet just to add some dramatic tension. Yeah. Look, I will genuinely take that bet because I don't think they're going to get together. Oh, that's fair.

What if? Because Thor's there now too, remember? What if she's like, who's this handsome? Yeah, but they'll just play it for gags because that's all they did. And I think that was my most frustrating, least pleasant part of the Infinity War saga was that whole...

I think I remember complaining about it. Now, what did we think of of that might be coloring me here that's one of my famous shut up mcu moments i think look i reckon benefit that let's just make sure like sure i'm gonna stay dead look i don't think they're coming back or if they're gonna come back it's like a very brief cameo or a reference or like a what if or something like that because i reckon yeah you gotta think for like robert danny jr or oh yeah if or something like that. I reckon, yeah, you've got to think for like Robert Downey Jr. Oh, yeah. They're like, we're kind of done.

But they could easily come back for one scene. I reckon Robert Downey Jr. was done until Doolittle tanked. Now I reckon he's a lot less done. It's rules to imagine him going off to Doolittle being like, see you around, guys. Never going to talk to any of you again. See you in the funny pages. I'm going to be little rich well that because it it was expected to be a series

of films he puts his hands in a dragon's anus and yeah that was a great yeah he finds a dragon but the dragon's got knight alma inside it and so robert downey jr because he's a vet he fists the dragon until it's better i don't know that i mean that's he's a vet, he fists the dragon until it's better. I don't know about that. I mean, that's the way you become a vet. He heals the dragon by fisting it. And then it farts all over him. If you get a vet from our world, I'd be like, hello, vet. This is a mythical creature.

A dragon. He swallowed a knife. Well, when he flipped it over, he was like, I'm crossing my fingers it's got an anus. Because if it doesn't, I don't know what I'm doing here. But lucky for him, it did. How do we think Thor Love and Thunder will tie into the multiverse? Well, Jane's going to be Thor now. Yeah, yeah.

So is it going to be the MCU Thor or is it going to be a different Thor? Jane will be a multiverse Thor. You reckon? Are we going to get finally Thor cops in that, was it Breaker World or whatever? I do not know what you're talking about. When Doom controlled the universe? I have checked it.

Doom controlled the universe for a bit, and there was a whole thing where Thors were just like cops. And so for a while, it was like all the Thors were just kind of like the Green Lantern Corps, but it was like Thor Corps, and everyone had a hammer. Do you think, you know you were saying earlier, like we say this shit and it sounds dumber coming out of our mouth. Do you think there's like any you were saying earlier, like we say this shit and it sounds dumber coming out of our mouth. Do you think there's like

any way anyone could have said that? I don't think you can say Thorcore and not sound like an idiot. It's controlled by Doom! Thorcore! Thorcore!

Doom's there, boss! Oh, I nearly explained Hickman's Avengers. You don't want that! None of you want that! Let me cut. Let's cut that off.

So. I think, just on Thor. Not Thor goth, just Thor. I think, and this is an outside bet. Wouldn't it be clever if we did our odds that we sometimes do in this episode? That we completely forgot. We still got time. We can remember the big ones from this.

Because if they weren't popular theories amongst us three, we'll have forgotten them by the end of the episode. Just rattle them off. What were you saying? Thor, enter the Thorverse. Yeah. Because thinking about it, or like a kind of equivalent, there are a lot of Thors.

There's Jane Foster Thor. You're getting dangerously close. There's Jane Foster Thor. Oh, no. Fuck. There's Jane Foster Thor. There's Frog Thor. There's Jane Foster Thor. Oh, no. Fuck. There's Jane Foster Thor. There's Frog Thor. There's Horseman Thor.

Better Ray Bill or whatever. Better Ray Bill. There's Thor Thor. There's Old Man Thor. There's Old Man Thor. There's Young Man Thor. There's Thor with the cosmic power. Cosmic Thor.

Thunderstrike. There you go. So there's a lot of Thors. So I could imagine it being a meeting of the- Donald Blake. There you go. So there's a lot of Thors. So I could imagine it being a meeting of the- Donald Blake. There you go, Donald Blake. Oh, I don't know who that is, but I kind of almost don't want to ask. That's Thor's alter ego.

Yeah, but Sam had talked about it like it was a separate guy. Can't be. No, no. So I could imagine that being like an Into the Thorverse situation. Not necessarily like from multiverses, but something in that vein I think is very possible. Could you imagine, right? So you're talking about gimmicks. Yes.

So it's another thing where it's like, say, from Thor 1, where the hammer falls from the sky and lands in the, like wherever it's in Nevada, big crater, right? And you're like, oh, shit, something happened to Thor's hammer. Oh, no. And then another hammer falls. Oh, that's cool. Another hammer falls. Yeah then another hammer falls. Oh, that's cool. Another hammer falls.

Yeah. And another hammer falls. And you're like, what the fuck is this? Oh, my God. Or, like, imagine this. Thor, with his hammer, he's having a fight at the beginning of the new Thor movie, and he gets knocked. It's like a big bad.

Maybe it's, like, the Krang or whatever. And Thor, he's fighting in a multiverse storm or some shit. But I'm just imagining, flings the hammer away, the hammer hits, like, a crack in the multiverse storm or some shit, but I'm just imagining flings a hammer away. The hammer hits like a crack in the multiverse or whatever. And like multiple versions of the hammers to multiple, you know what I mean? That kind of like in a similar vein, like poof on a frog,

better a bill. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think Jane Foster, Fonda, Jorah Foster, Fonda,

the gorilla woman. That's not, Fonda, Jorah Foster. Jane Fonda, the gorilla woman. That's not Jane Fonda. Who am I thinking of? The gorilla woman. I know the gorilla woman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. Jane Goodall, yeah.

Yeah. I'm thinking of Barbarella. Yeah. Yeah. Go on. What was I saying? Oh, yeah. No, I think Jane Foster would be either from a different multiverse.

Realm, yeah. Or it will... In fact, I'm going to get even more specific. I think they'll tie it back into Endgame, and it'll be the Jane Foster that had her got sucked. Oh, that's interesting. That's cool. Because she'll still be on thing,

but would have had the Infinity Stone in her, but it's gone now. Yeah, yeah. But also, does Captain America return it into her? Has to. It goes back to Asgard and just like, I'm so sorry. Which one of you is Jane Goodall? The gorilla woman.

Surely you'd just go back and stop the mission and be like, no, you can't do that. Yeah, you can't do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Going back to like where the soul stone is. Oh. Yeah. Oh, okay. You again. Yeah. Hello, red skull. going back to like where the soul stone is oh okay

you again hello red skull still a nazi is red skull still a nazi red skull wasn't a nazi he made that clear in the movie well yes but you can't just be like no no no I'm a different type of bad

I don't relate to these awful bad guys from actual history this is a side thing shut up I'm a different type of bad. I don't relate to these awful bad guys from actual history. I'm a... This is a side thing. Hydra. Isn't that just not... Shut up. Shut up.

They're not connected. It's the aesthetic of Nazis without all the bad shit. What? Bad shit, but not that bad. Hydra. Are they back? Hydra is basically the equivalent of when they were like, the minions were frozen for World War II.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. The minions would have fought for Adolf Hitler. At least Mussolini. Anyway, Hydra, are they back? Yeah. Well, I think they will be. Based on some of the stuff in WandaVision. I know we're saying we're not saying WandaVision.

I know, however. However, with some of the things, because we've already mentioned multiverses and different people, so I think, yeah, I reckon we're not quite done with Hydra. I think because, again, WandaVision, S.W.O.R.D. is the organisation or whatever. But also S.W.O.R.D. are at the end of the thing with Nick Fury in space. That's true, but I mean,

if you had an equivalent of S.H.I.E.L.D. in space this whole time, maybe that's still got a bad Hydra element in it, or some shit like that. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Skrulls will probably be a thing. Oh, that's true. Yeah, Skrulls. And a new Captain Marvel as well. Yeah. That'll occur. Captain Marvel 2, I think that's next year.

Yeah, yeah. I don't think we've even really got a... Unless maybe that's just the title. I do not know. Captain Marvel 2, yeah. Might be. I'm've even really got a- Unless maybe that's just the title, Captain Marvel 2. Might be. I'm not sure either. Yeah, yeah. We still don't have, like, a big- Because Thanos was introduced kind of relatively early. We didn't see him until Avenge.

Loki was a big bad first. Oh, that's true. That's a good point. And he was like, oh, you beat me, but wait till you see my boss. Wait till you see my dad. So basically you've got like a herald thing going on. So you fight the herald, then you fight the big bad. So potentially a Galactus.

A Galactus would be a great fit, I think. Also, then we get the Silver Surfer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Imagine he's the guy, the big bad first. Silver Surfer just rolls in and kills Ant-Man with his board. Can you make the Silver Surfer any kind of cool? Well, here's the complicated thing.

Is surfing cool? No. Yeah, see? Okay, why don't we put him in skates? The Silver Skater? What about ice skates? I think that you... Okay, okay, okay. We've got the surfboard. The silver skater What about ice skates? I think that you We've got the surfboard

They should make him a gas Like they did with Galactus in Fantastic Four We've got the surfboard We've got roller skates, roller blades Ice skates and a paddle board All at once Which one is worse? I think they'll make it so that it's less

surfboardy and more just a platformy thing and when he like is surfing through the sky or whatever then it'll like get bigger but when he's standing there he won't be holding a surfboard and I imagine somebody will turn to somebody else and be like is that a surfboard and that'll be a joke and then Ant-Man will get crushed

and take the win said surfboard yeah I think that's what's going to happen. Yeah. They'll have, you know how the best example I've got of this is a stupid one. You know how when you fight Ganondorf in Ocarina of Time, how he's kind of just floating. Yeah, yeah.

He's like kind of moving and it's like ominous. These limbs are kind of limp. Yeah. I think they'll do that for Silver Surfer. Like a limp Superman. Yeah. Because I think if you remove the surfboard from the silver surfer he could be quite intimidating yeah because he's like he's

kind of like made of that silvery energy like i can see that working plus they are introducing the fantastic four into the mcu so i guess feasibly they could have the phase four whatever we're in ends with oh here's the silver surfer and then the next phase five is when he's galactus you know what i mean i think that fight will be bad the fight against galactus that sounds really boring to watch you know what i mean or does it sound amazing well it depends if one of the galactus gets real big and they run into his mouth that's what i'm imagining no i know i've turned completely around if spider-man swings like his brain or something spider-man uh swips the thing in his throat, makes him

vomit. Vomit back earth. Vomit it up. Spit it out. Like a dog that's swallowed a pill you don't want. Spit it out. No. Everybody get into his uvula. Do it now. There's a bomb in there. Imagine the final

fight ends up being a giant Ant-Man in the wasp like planet sized punchin galactic they just make Godzilla vs. King Kong again I wonder if they'll do that thing in the comics where if they get too tall they go to heaven you know that thing fat man gets too tall he goes to heaven

it's a thing it's like the equivalent of you get the microverse or whatever and if you get too big, you're in heaven. You see God. It's not even a joke. They might do that in the movie, I reckon. That would be fucking great. Yeah. He goes up and he sees the spirit. He sees a bunch of

the kind of very cosmic MCU characters. He's gonna see Tony Stark nailed to a cross. That's sick. Okay, so Tony Stark is like the entropy and like uh no he's jesus christ yeah yeah yeah yeah well i think they will definitely captain american can be whatever you were gonna say entropy and atrophy cosmic powers of like yeah oh is it entropy and then there's i only know these cunts in DC. I know the equivalents.

They suck. Is it the miracle? No, they're the monitor and the anti-monitor. Which I don't know much about them, but the monitor seems like he was designed to monitor Earth and the anti-monitor is designed not to look. I don't know. Your cosmic duty is to not pay attention.

We are the anti-monitor right here. Jackson's sitting at home reading this and going, how do I get this job? You have it now. I think there's this eternity. Yeah. There's like eternity and all of those. That's who Ant-Man sees when he gets too big,

which is great because it implies that those guys aren't cosmic. They're just huge. Yeah. Well. Oh, there's death. Yeah, death, infinity, oblivion. Let's not forget the Eternals are part of the MCU. Oh, God.

Oh, fuck. If they can explain the Eternals without it being too batshit insane, good luck. It's funny. In doing this episode, because we've all been watching WandaVision, we've all been quite enjoying it, right? But in doing this episode, can you feel the Marvel fatigue taking over your body?

A little bit. Yeah, I'm like, oh, I'm easing. I've been nicely lubed and i'm feeling the mcu very gently very very comfortably ease me in a second at a time but now i'm seeing the marathon night of love making i have ahead of me and i'm like my poor anus i'm kind of the opposite it's more that i'm getting less excited because wandavision has been what it promised at first. Yeah, yeah.

Which was the biggest surprise to me. It was like, it is weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're not trying to make it too MCU-y. But at the time of recording, we know that it's going, like, in the future. For sure. It's only halfway through the season. Yeah, however, do you reckon they might lean in?

Or like, nah. Considering fan, there was like a bit of backlash in the first three episodes before they gave us an episode that just explained everything. Which is such a shame because that episode that explained it was the most MCU shit I've ever seen in my life. It was awful. And it's so funny that it's that classic Marvel thing where they're like, I don't know if you've been watching the show.

So I'm just going to tell you what's been happening in the show. And you're like, I'm here. I'm watching it. It's just like dropping an episode of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. in the middle of WandaVision. Anyway, so WandaVision rules But thinking about Like these things

That are weird I don't think They're gonna commit So I reckon We're just gonna end up With like a More MCU shit I don't know

Like we've seen Some weird shit In say like Guardians Like when they were like Hey here's like The Celestials And there's some weird

Shit happening there You know like Nowhere Which is like Oh and a Celestial head All those kind of stuff. And the Eternals are very much tied to those celestials. Yeah.

So hopefully we kind of get some of that bullshit mixed with, you know, and hopefully they'll be like, hey, remember the Inhumans TV series? No, great news, because guess what? It was fake. X-Men. Yeah, I was going to say, that's probably something that's worth discussing.

We know the X-Men are coming. Yeah. How? Yeah. There is, okay. Well, initially I was always wondering how are they going to bring the X-Men to the MCU, considering what's going on. And I figured it like, oh, what if they did something like, so the X-Men had always, always

been there. Yeah. But because. The snap like kind of awakened them. Not just that, but like, oh, maybe, but like kind of awakened them not just that but like uh maybe but like kind of a all right so they were quite persecuted for their powers kind of like how like the mutants are in the comics whatever and so they were like we're always there but because we were shot on we got some of our high-powered telepaths like jane gray or xavier

to kind of mind wipe everyone oh yeah like a little bubble to ourselves yeah sort of to tie in what they're sort of currently doing with the x-men which is like we have like an island nation of uh where we're sort of like separated from the world that island they give magneto or whatever yeah this is like like it's like one where it's like a mutant island kind of stuff so they could like if they want to try and tie it into the comics which i think could kind of be cool so it's like we've been in this bubble with this mutant nation we've sort of been separate from the world because we were there and you guys shat on us yeah because snap happened and, oh, no, Jean Grey's gone, Xavier's gone, all the telepaths or whatever,

and now we're exposed. And then suddenly it's like, oh, fuck, now we've got to deal with the humans and know we're there again. But I don't think they're going to do that. I was reading a similar theory somewhere where someone was like, instead of a bubble, they were like, what if Xavier had, what's his helmet machine? Cerebro?

He had Cerebro, but instead of using that to find mutants, he'd be using... Doctor Hat. Yeah. He'd be using Doctor Hat to suppress everyone's mutant powers. And he'd just been locked in there and just making sure nobody knew they were a mutant. And then, yeah, in the snap, oh, everybody realizes now. Frankly, I'm not looking forward to it. I don't think the mutants will fit in the MCU.

I think the MCU is already so full of cunts that now it's going to be double the amount of cunts and it just sounds exhausting. No, look, again, as a long time X-Men fan, I'm excited for the X-Men. I'm excited to see how they do it because, again, the X-Men franchise needed someone to helm that that knew the franchise and wasn't a terrible human being.

Yeah. So yeah, it'd be nice to kind of have, have that. Oh, sure. That's nice. I almost wish that they were like,

we're, we're doing it. It's still part of the MCU, but we're very much staying in an alternate universe. It's like you're, you're, well, that's the thing with the multiverse.

It'll close. Yeah. Well, I know, which is the, such a shame. And it's going to're you're well that's the thing with the multiverse it'll close yeah well i know which is the such a shame and it's gonna cut edmund in half with a silver server just off his head um but what's what's very clever about like bringing the mcu and bringing not the mcu bringing the x-men and the one, because I think we all know that they'll do this from like the X-Men movies that have come out, is that they can just pick and choose.

Yeah. Like that's so clever. They can just be like, oh, maybe we want, you know, James McAvoy to be our Charles Xavier. Oh God, I just remembered Deadpool's coming. Oh, that sucks. Oh, that's going to be like, you thought it was creepy before. Multiversey as hell as well. Yeah. That's going to be like, you thought it was creepy before. Multiversey as hell as well.

Yeah, that's going to be full of like bad gags where he goes to a universe. Like, hello? Yeah, I work for fucking Disney now. Oh, wait, you should fucking bleep this. Oh, shit, my dick's out. Oh, no. Then he'll hit Mickey Mouse with a rock or whatever. I can do this because I'm Deadpool.

You know. The Deadpool is kind of like a weird take on Sliders. Like MCU-y. Maybe. You wouldn't hate it. Make an adaptation of Deadpool kills the MCU. Just have him murder everyone. Murder everyone and then climb out of the comic book and murder the creators.

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our Dungeons & Dragons real-play podcast that's far better than it has any right to be. So with the X-Men, do we think we're going to get new X-Men? Like, hey, this is Wolverine, it's played by Johnny Ramone. No. Played by Danny DeVito, come on. I don't think Johnny Ramone. No. Played by Danny DeVito. Come on. I don't think Johnny Ramone will come back.

Or do we think they're just going to pull from the- I think they'll pull from the people that are- Because the thing is, the newer X-Men movies, everyone hates. And Disney themselves are trying to bury it on Disney+. Good. So, like- Well, that's the beauty. They can pick and choose.

They can be like- I don't know you said pick and choose, but like, okay, James McAvoy, sick. Michael Fassbender, sick. Think about like all the X-Men like movies as a whole. It's like, okay, well, who do we really want back or who's kind of iconic? Yeah. And who do we like? It's like, well, look, getting, you know, Patrick Stewart or Ian McKellen as like gets

that people be like, oh, sick. Those are like, like you know Magneto And Xavier getting McAvoy And Fassbender Would anyone really be like oh yeah of course the iconic Magneto and Fassbender maybe but McAvoy not I think see McAvoy was a weird one because

I reckon he was more iconic as Professor X until he Shaved his head and everyone was like ooh That's true actually In like the first class or whatever, you're like, yeah, I dig it. But like shit like, you know, Banshee.

Either the actor that played Banshee, no. Azrael, no. Jennifer Lawrence, did she come back? I doubt it. God, no.

Yeah, yeah. It's kind of like Hugh Jackman, maybe. Well, the beauty of Hugh Jackman is they can just do Old Man Wolverine and whatever, make it easy for him.

If Hugh Jackman's coming back, he's going gonna come back in Deadpool 3 and Deadpool's gonna be like oh there's your wiener I can see it Jimmy Changus and then a spike

comes out the tip and pans Deadpool in the eye he'll be like too bad I can't die this is good for me actually fuck fuck shit

fuck fuck this is a bad movie that's what I said when I saw the first two what's the name he played Sabretooth Lee Schreiber oh yeah yeah fuck shit fuck farts. This is a bad movie. That's what I said when I saw the first two. What's the name who played Sabretooth? Lee Schreiber? Oh yeah.

Yeah? Yeah. He was pretty good as Sabretooth. Well he was meant to come back in Logan but then they replaced him with more Hugh Jackman. Hugh Jackman again.

He was meant to be like a rabid Sabretooth. But that's the thing they can be like we liked this one bring it back but we don't get that one recast him.

Yeah. Like again they can be like Wolver liked this one bring it back but we don't get that one recast them yeah like you know they got the benefit of origin being that one cast everyone as james mcavoy okay wait everyone as james mcavoy i'm in the opposite i'm in the opposite tony stark is james mcavoy everyone is i'm an actor it's the james McAvoy verse. Everyone is James McAvoy. In the cinema, I'm like, I'd like to lean over to you over my drink. I'm like, Joel Dusha ruined movies hard.

He ran movies forever, didn't he? He said it confidently, so we sounded cleverer than any of the other dumb shit we said. But his idea was actually the dumbest. Damn it, that's a shame. There's so many people acting as James Beckham. I was quite enjoying the MCU until this. I thought it had superhero fatigue, but it turns out I was fine with it.

I thought it was bad, but it could get way, way worse. I reckon we'll get either Hugh Jackman as Wolverine in a starring role kind of thing, or at least a cameo, because I think when the news broke that MCU bought or was wanting to buy X-Men, he was just like, damn. I wanted to be an Avenger. Yeah, exactly. So I think even though he's like, I'm out.

People are like, oh, no, I can't come in. There's so much fucking Old Man Wolverine multiverse shit already. They had that great Old Man Wolverine comic, and then they were like, what have we brought him into now? And it sucked. But whatever, they've got that to draw. Well, get him, Old Man Cap, and who else is old now? Hawkeye. Old man Hawkeye is a thing.

Yeah, yeah. I was going to say, little X-23. Oh, yeah, yeah, true, true, true. They could bring her in, age her up. Ageing juice. Oh, my God, I'm a genius. But again, the beauty of the fact that they, the way they're doing it, you know,

say they're doing it with the multiverse, is that actually, and this is something I've seen nobody say, they don't need to bring in mutants. They just need to bring in specific mutants. X-Men. You know what I mean? But yeah, but like, they could bring in Wolverine, Professor X, Magneto.

Like, they could bring in like six guys. Toad Magneto. They could bring in six guys. Toad. Yeah, and that would be fine. Yeah. Because I think what annoys me about having all the X-Men is I'm like, well, there's- Now there's 150 guys. Yeah, 150 guys I've got to remember.

Yeah. But if they just bring in, oh, here's the original six from another universe, that's interesting. Yeah. And it's not too much to pay attention to. That's absolutely a possibility. Well, they could just do what they did with Spider-Man, where he just exists to deal with it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. So they might just be like, are we explaining it? Fuck you. Yeah, whatever. It's always been happening. There's just not been heaps of this. Shut up. So, going to quickly do odds.

Aging Juice. I reckon that's a two to one. That's the favourite. Aging Juice is the favourite to win here. Ant-Man dying due to Silver Surfer? Yeah. Ten to one. Ten to Yeah. 10 to 1. 10 to 1.

Still pretty likely. Getting cut in half by a portal to the multiverse. 7 to 1, I feel. Yeah, I think more likely. Everyone playing James McAvoy. 100 to 1, I feel. Yeah, unlikely, but not impossible. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Thor core. Yeah, Thor core. Thor multiverse. I want to say like 20 to 1. I reckon it's more likely it's just Jane Foster from the multiverse. I'm going to give that, even though it was my theory, so shorting the odds and it feels rigged, but 15 to 1. Thor core, multiple Thors.

It pleases me immensely that we're mixing the silly odds with the serious ones. That's good. It's good to undermine our entire rating system. I like that. Ant-man getting so big that he sees heaven yeah i think like five to one i think it's very it's very possible it's very possible it could happen you know in an mcu way where he gets so big that it sounds silly when you say it out loud but you can imagine some bullshit. Oh, the big universe. The big

realm. He just has to not be on Earth when it happens. Yeah, yeah. Very true. Very true. If he's on Earth, obviously it'll be silly. But if he's on like, you know, some fucking planet, whatever. Well, yeah. And then he gets big next to that celestial head we've already seen. Oh, wears it as a helmet. Yeah, that would be a cool scene.

We're going to see the celestials. Yeah. Yeah. That's just a given with the turtles. Wolverine coming back. Hugh Jackman Wolverine. Yeah, that would be a cool scene. We're probably going to see the Celestials. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's just a given with the Turtles. Wolverine coming back? Hugh Jackman Wolverine? Yeah, Hugh Jackman Wolverine specifically. I reckon 30 to... Oh, wait. I reckon he'll say fuck

and he'll be the first one to say fuck in the MCU. That is a very good theory. I reckon that's like almost two to one. Like I think that's... One to one. Yeah, I reckon it's a guarantee. It's going to be a cameo. But they need to get that into something before Deadpool

because Deadpool's going to say fuck first. Yeah, that's true. Like that Ben Folds song. You better look out because I'm going to say fuck or whatever. I hate Ben Folds. That's fair. Okay. Cool, man.

Thanks. Thanks for letting us know. Ben Folds, if you're listening, I hope you're having a dog shit day. That would please me immensely. He's still living out of later and he fuck off. I don't he's touring australia a lot recently leave go away there's a virus on um well that's why he's here i think because he's touring because he wants to make it worse he might also live in adelaide still who knows uh galactus in the suburbs yeah that's true you know

like michael jackson did quite right and shit yeah shit. Yeah. You know the guy. I know the guy. I know the fucking guy. You know and loathe the guy. Okay, Galactus. Ben Folds doesn't even sound like a real name. It's a description. It's like an action. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ben Folds.

Ben Folds. Yeah, sick. Folds what? That would destroy him, dude. Hi, I'm Ben Folds. Folds what? He'd have to sit down um yeah galactus as the big bad at the end of it all i think unlikely to be honest yeah galactus is too hard to fight well and it also just doesn't follow with everything else that's happening it'd

have to be some multiverse it's also some more cosmic shit and the fantastic four have done it and it fucked up yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah. I reckon Kang the Conqueror. I reckon we're going to get some time travel bullshit. Yeah. So we've already had some time travel bullshit, but now we're going to get some more time travel bullshit, but with some multiverse chucked in. Who are the bad guys for the Eternals? I don't know.

Oh, whatever they're called. Deviants or something? The Deviants. The bad Eternals. It'll be the Deviants. You reckon that'll be the big bad for the whole thing? No. Now you said it out loud, it sounds really dumb.

One of the Eternals tends to go bad as well. Yeah, because the Eternals are such a gamble. And then they reset themselves. They're kind of like living virus, but good. Yeah. It's a mess. Antibodies. Yeah, it's such a mess.

You're cult. Yeah. They're basically your cult. What if Ant-Man gets so big he turns bad? I've seen Heaven and I hate it. It's the Eternals. So, if you don't know much about it, I don't know. We're taking a dangerous turn at what was definitely the end of the episode.

So, when the Celestials came in and they saw i think a bunch of they saw earth and they were like maybe this an egg and we need to protect it and so they made jackson made a face and they made some people like because they like they experimented on them and that's how we got the inhumans maybe the creek calmed down down? No. Is Earth an egg for a thing? Yes. But I don't know if that's the case in the MCU. I doubt it. I severely doubt

that the Earth of the MCU is going to be an egg. An egg for what? It seems unlikely. The egg I just thought comes out. Oh no! I think it's an egg for more Eternals. Or is it more Celestials?

Yes, there's a Celestial, a big baby Celestial. Isn't it like a baby Celestial? Yeah, there's a baby Celestial in it and from memory in comic books, it cracked once and old man no young man Odin

and yes young man Odin and like a prehistoric Hulk guy someone who had the Phoenix Force in them someone who's ghost writer but maybe riding a mammoth so ghost mammoth

just do Phoenix Force. Yes. Oh, absolutely. I reckon that'll end up being the big bad. Space shit. I don't reckon for this phase. I reckon that's down the track. I think, look, they've done the Phoenix Force twice.

Left a bad taste in everyone's mouth twice. But how many strikes do you have to make before you're out? Three. What if this one's a homer? That's a good way to end the episode. Homer Simpson. Yeah. that's a good way to end the episode Homer Simpson yeah that's a good way to end the episode

okay Simpsons into the MCU Disney owns it big bad at the end what do we think it'll be what are your odds so Phoenix Force

you're settling on yeah Phoenix Force Phoenix Force or Army of James McAvoy yeah you gotta pick one why would you do this nah I think Phoenix Force Phoenix Force or Army of James McAvoy yeah you gotta pick one why would you do this nah I think Phoenix Force

but I reckon it's like a 15 to 1 okay are you saying Kang the Conqueror I think it's Kang the Conqueror I just think it's like a good Avengers villain it deals with time shit

and you can have like time shit that also multiverse and he goes back so you're gonna have this thing where you're like gonna be helping out some cunt but then he's like

oh he was actually he grows up to be Kane. Oh yeah fair true true true. Like Ryan Ladd or whatever the fuck his name was. Yeah. Alright and what are your odds? Uh I reckon I reckon like 4 to 1. I reckon it's pretty high. I reckon it's pretty high. What about this? What about this? Okay this is left

field. No guy is just stopping the multiverse leaking into the main verse. That's good, but that is the plot of Thor 2. It's like a one. Oh, yeah, but it's kind of the plot of Thor 2. The planets are lining and shit's going wrong. Yeah.

Wow, really? Yeah. Remember the space holes? They're making a cylinder. And guts are coming through. Or whatever. Christ, I do not. Does anyone remember that film?

Yes. You do? Well, do you? Thor 2 is better than Thor 1. guts are coming through or whatever christ i do not is anyone from that film yes you do well do shit yeah thor 2 is better than thor 1 thor 1's boring and thor looks wrong because your blonde eyebrows well that is weird but yeah so i'm still saying it'll just be multiverse shit leaking in not one big bad guy lots of little bad guys from across the multiverse i reckon that's a one-to-one to two-to-one i'm so sorry to bring up hickman again but do you reckon they might be doing the incursion then i have no be doing the incursion then? I have no idea what that is.

So the incursion is like when the multiverse is about to, like two Earths are colliding. So to stop it from happening, you go there and you destroy the other Earth. Do Crisis on Infinity Earth before DC can. Bring in the Flash! They did do that in comics. Except it wasn't like a big event,

but Marvel called their issues when they knew that was at the climax for dc they called their comics like infinite earth crisis to cuck dc comics because i guess they were like morons don't know what they're doing we'll be like is this a dc is wolverine a dc i don't know and so they grabbed it but yeah I think it'll be incursion-esque and I reckon that's a two to one okay I forget what our $20 bet was over

and that annoys me I guess you'll never know damn it it was Gamora falling in love with Spaceboy $20 richer no yeah

that hasn't happened also Miss Marvel and Hawkeye there this year as well oh yeah they'll just be around what? Hawkeye's doing something?

yeah a TV show. Oh yeah, we're getting Kate Bishop. It'll be like that thing. Also, I think Hawkeye has been spotted on set with the hearing aid, so they're definitely doing the comic book again. Yeah, well, that's nice. That's cool.

They will be part of, well, Hawkeye definitely will be part of the we're trying to ease you into weird shit if this continues on from Falcon and Winter Soldier. true true armor wars as well oh god i do i feel ill yeah it's become too much this is my tipping point please stop talking iron wars so what's that armor wars well usually it's when tony uh it's when the government stain and yeah it's uh what's his roads is government yeah it's Rhodes with War Machine okay

and then also there's Ironheart coming too that's cool and keep listing them keep listing them She-Hulk

is coming as well that's cool there's a Wakanda TV series that's right that's a good point that'd be good these. That'd be good. These things could all be good. But there's 10 Marvel properties coming out in 2021,

and we've had half of one so far. That hit like a truck. Oh, yeah. So Deadpool 3, I think, is also next year. Jesus Christ. Yeah. And on that note, I've been Joel. I've been tired.

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