Plumbing the Death Star - What Did We Think of Captain America: Civil War? (Feat. Tessa Stickland)

Episode Date: April 28, 2016

In which our heroes exit the cinema, get home at four am, and then wake up the next day to blearily record as they ask what did we think of Captain America: Civil War. We figure out if we got anything right, won't stop calling Black Panther Wakanda, and discuss the difference between a quip and a gag. Zammit feels like the whole film was just an epilogue to Age of Ultron, Tessa’s here cos she wants to smack a planet in the mouth, Jackson wonders if what he actually saw was even a movie, and Duscher just wants everyone to be happy that Marvel took a step in the right direction. So blow up a couple of cities, sign a government document, and then figure out Hydra was sort of to blame once again. At least captain America is Nomad now, and that's good.Want to help us finally rest? Head to http://www.patreon.com/sanspantsradio and for as little as $1 a month, and we finally can. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Stan Spencer Radio, how about that? Hey everyone and welcome to another midweek special edition super great Plumbing the Death Star where we ask the important questions like what did we think of Captain America 3 Civil War the 13th film in the Avengers trilogy? And I'm just gonna pause here for a second, mate. Jackson, give me that plastic thing you're going to play with. Thank you. Good.

Damn. And welcoming Tessa to the show. Hello. Yeah. Who came and saw Civil War with us last night after answering our Facebook call out of who would you smack in the mouth of a Marvel character with the best planet. Yeah. It was good. Yeah, sure. Because I want Who would you smack in the mouth of a Marvel character With the best planet

It was a good Because I want to smack a planet in the face I'm so tired Alright so first of all It's currently like midday On Thursday I got home at Like quarter past four

Last night I'm very tired You got pulled over by the cops last night yeah i sure did uh i left a car park because i got dropped off at my car which was in a car park at four in the morning and the cops were like what are you doing what yeah no i they like drove past me as i was pulling out and then did a u-turn i was like here we go and then i was sitting at a red light and they were right behind me and I put on my blinker.

Then they put it in a blinker. I was like, I've played this game before. I know where this is going. And then, yeah, as I started turning, we turned into the street

and it used to go down and they just flashed their lights and I was like, that sucks. But here we are. Then they pulled over and they were like, what's your name?

And I was like, Joel Dusha. Just kidding, Joel Zammett you may have heard of me no and then they asked me like

a bunch of questions like just normal cop questions like who's the car registered to where are you going and then we're like oh just a quick question why don't you pay my rego

just remind me about that at some point thank you I watched a lot of sheriff people over the last week so they're cracking down on it at the moment nah I got like a month oh you're sweet you're because I watched a lot of sheriff people over the last week so they're cracking down on it at the moment I've got like a month

and then they were like what were you doing in a car park I was like I got dropped off at my car I just saw the Captain America and then the police were like oh what was it like I'm trying to take my girlfriend how should I convince her

and you didn't plug the show I did not plug the show to watch Plumbing the Death Star on your channel 7 news. Yeah, so overall, the movie was good. Yeah. Nah, I'll start because Well, let's do it like we did Batman vs Superman.

What was the best bit? What was the worst bit? Wasn't it overall feelings first? Overall feelings. Positive. I enjoyed it. I had a good time. In the cinema I had a good time I was chuckling at their quips. I was like

Good level of quips. A fine level of quips. Like it wasn't too much and there were some which is clearly better than BBS. So that was nice. All of it Every single scene was better than Superman. The chairs were better in the cinema. That is true. That is true.

I got better food this time around. Yeah, we like sat in the same practical, it wasn't the same cinema, but it was a VMAX. Yeah. And better sound quality. Oh, definitely. So good. W at Moss.

Check it out, guys. Slash TM. So I realized it was an enjoyable time. Yeah, I had a Laugh riot No I didn't want to die Like I did in say

Deadpool or Ant-Man I wanted to die On a scale of How much does Jackson Want to die in this film Your normal Normal level is like Okay if we take you

To a movie It's usually like A three out of ten Regardless of what the movie is If it's a midnight screening It's usually a six Before we even walk in Uh huh Uh huh Star Wars was like a hot nine like i wanted to go you had two naps

in that movie uh but in this one i didn't nap once you looked quite awake i was i was fairly alert yeah at one point zama did look like turn over to me and he was like jackson i'm like what he's like you look so sad i must have had not a great expression on my face no in um oh fuck uh you've done so many of these but hey spoilers yeah are you gonna go yes everything in this is massive spoilers we're gonna discuss the entire plot of the film we've gotten like a couple of minutes in and haven't actually mentioned it so that's a surprise so if you're still listening sorry pause it because i know with civil war usually like that's a surprise. So if you're still listening, sorry, pause it. Because I know with Civil War, usually it doesn't really matter because if you're listening to this.

Civil War seems like the kind of thing that's going to be chalked. Also, I think Australia get it first. Yeah, we've seen it before. I think the UK have it as well, but America don't. Sorry, USA. Sorry, Yanks. Yeah, suck it.

Tess is still here. Cough it, Yanks. Red, white, and fuck you. So yeah, on a Red Wyden, fuck you So, yeah, on a scale of how dead were you, Jack? Oh, no, like a seven Yeah, that's only one higher than That's pretty good Like, I had another time

Ant-Man got big Ant-Man got so big Ant-Man became Giant-Man And that was the peak of my night The mans in both, in the movie were the peaks of my night yeah the spider-man's giant man's the iron man's i could leave overall impression okay i really liked it um i have gone on record multiple times saying that superhero movies kind of make me want to die at this point uh-huh this one made me feel a lot better about it i'm back on board but then i thought about how much ground they're gonna have to cover just

before we started recording this episode between now and infinity war and now i kind of want to die again a lot yeah there's no thanos and there's no infinite gems or stones in this one rocks there's no rocks no one gets their rocks on no infinium everyone gets their rocks on? No infinium rocks. No one gets their rocks off. Vision talks about it. He's like, what the fuck is this in my head? I don't know. But I'll sort it out one day. Not today, though. Give me time.

Have a bit of patience. Oh, fuck. That's how we usually structure this. How right or wrong we were. Very wrong. Did not get anything right. No, I did. What?

A crime happened on Wakandan soil. That's true. You dirtbags. Except it wasn't on Wakandan soil. That's true. You dirtbags. Except it wasn't on Wakandan soil at all. It was Nigeria. There was a peacekeeping mission there and they blew up. Oh, actually, no, we'll talk about that later. Anyway, yeah, the Wakanda thing.

That was good. That was real good. Tess? Yeah, I liked it. I didn't really have many expectations. I'm just like, I'm here for the ride. And it made sense, mostly. Yeah, not many plot holes.

That said, actually, I was thinking about this. No, no, no, shut up about this. How did you feel about it? No, that's the last segment. What was wrong? Just remind me to say Baron Zemo, and then I'll get back to that. Okay. Yeah, I said I liked it.

Stop with those gross noises. Stop it. I hate them. It's those gross noises. Stop it. I hate them. It's okay. It's not okay. The people have become used to it. They expect it probably. I've been friends with you for five years at this point,

maybe even six, and every single time you do that, it still makes me so angry. It's old man noises. It is. I don't know. Stop it. Maybe I'm dying.

You are sitting there on the couch with a blanket around your fucking legs. And a jacket that you definitely bought from an op shop at some point. So favorite bit of the film. I'm going to go with either Spider-Man or a Black Panther man. The superhero showdown was the best bit because they actually got a superhero fight right. Yeah. Yeah. And there was a lot going on and it was easy to follow. superhero showdown was the best bit because they actually got a superhero fight right yeah yeah like there was a lot going on and it was easy to follow like i said this last night and i said

again um it felt like watching a comic book yeah you actually said that i was like how weird because i went over and i was like how weird is it that spider-man's in this and like he's fighting the avengers you're like yeah this feels like a comic book i generally feel like they got the you know the the dialogue right as well like in in in a of comic books, I know there was ages back, there was a Wolverine v. Deadpool thing, and Deadpool is fighting Wolverine, and someone's like a psychiatrist, like Dr. Bong from memory? Yeah, Dr. Bong.

Dr. Bong? Wait, did he have a bell for a head? Yeah, a bell for a head. That's Dr. Bong. That's the good doctor. The good Dr. Bong. And like Wolverine is monologuing as he's fighting and it's like just over the top.

Yeah. Doctor Bong in Deadpool. Because of course the Deadpool comic are taken aside being like, well, it's amazing how they can get so many words in just like one little action scene. But they did dialogue really, really well in this film in the fight scenes. I thought it was really believable, really nice.

Particularly when you have these two... Hey, construction work. There it is. There it construction work there it is there hello two special guests today construction men both beautiful uh and yeah they got dialogue really really right i felt like the like especially spider-man's dialogue when he fights it much better than toby mcguire or and Andrew Garfield Ever did He was a nerd He was a wiener kid And he was kind of embarrassed about everything And he had no idea what was going on

See for me with Spider-Man I thought he was really good But I thought there was this And maybe it's because this is a new Spider-Man It seemed like the jokes weren't jokes he was making It seemed like the funny Was just that he was making it seemed like the funny was just that he was like oh like no it's similar to the similar to the ant-man dialogue we got where he's just be like i know you guys you're famous why am i with you oh fuck this is nuts yeah but no i even

mean like when he was fighting it wasn't like hey i'm spider-man and i'm like telling jokes while i hit you like the classic spider-man maneuver it was more like spider-man's dialogue was funny because he was like a fish out of water and which is still fine but i'm just like to me like it wasn't like it's a good introduction to him and it's very similar to a lot of the the first sort of when he becomes like in the ultimate spider-man as well and it looks like they're kind of following that potentially that sort of um storyline in the Ultimate Spider-Man as well. And it looks like they're kind of following that, potentially that sort of storyline in the Ultimates where sort of Steve Rogers becomes his mentor a bit. I hope so. Which would be very cool if that happens.

I like that Aunt May was Marissa Tomei. Yeah. That's good. Like she wasn't a 60-year-old woman. That's real neat. That's real neat. They've gotten, like, made her younger because, like, Aunt May in the Tobey Maguire movie

is old as fuck. Yeah. Like, ready to die. Benjamin Button. Like, she's got the Benjamin Button disease. Then in Andrew Garfield, it's Sally Field, and you're like, yeah, all right. That's not bad.

Yeah, with Andrew Garfield, it was like, clearly I love the fact that this 20-odd-year-old is playing a 15-year-old. Yeah, sick. Whereas this kid, he's a kid. He's actually 19, I heard. Oh, that's the best. The age. Yeah, he looks like he, he's a kid He's actually 19 I heard Oh, that's the best He looks like he could be anywhere between 16 to 19

Good performance Well, Andrew Garfield is in college He's in the last year of high school So I think he's meant to be 18 But the actor is older Where this Spider-Man I think is 15 or 16 Yeah, and that really worked And he wasn't rad

He didn't have a skateboard He was a wiener Andrew Garfield can fuck off The Amazing Spider-Man is fucking shit And that really worked. And he wasn't rad. He didn't have a skateboard. He was a wiener. That was good. Andrew Garfield can fuck off. The Amazing Spider-Man's fucking shit. Emma Stone, though. Good Gwen Stacy. Yeah, good person, probably.

Tobey Maguire, amazing. Yes. He's such a good Peter Parker. He's like an adult Peter Parker. Yeah, he's like King Wiener. Absolutely. Little Prince Wiener. Bloody. I love the Tobey Maguire

Spider-Man movie so much he's such a loser he's like such a loser like Tobey Maguire is the most he's the biggest loser

Spider-Man 3 I've come around like that's a great film it's a great film it's also with Tobey Maguire like even as Spider-Man

he's kind of lame which kind of makes sense because it's a dude in a spider suit. Yeah, like, it's lame. Oh, and I did like the eye retracting thing. Yeah. I liked how they kind of tied that into just the fact that he's wearing goggles because his senses are overpowering.

Yeah. That was a nice little bit of... So, yeah, everyone on the internet was getting mad about his eyes widening and shutting. They sorted it out. I remember somebody saying that they're a camera so he can take photos of himself. How? That's hot nonsense.

You can't take photos of yourself if you are yourself. Unless it's like, you know, the view that we get of Iron Man inside the suit. He's just taken that of himself constantly. He's like, hey, Jonah Jameson, I've got these amazing exclusive photos. Jonah's like, I don't... That's just you.

Although that... You wouldn't even know it was a picture of Spider-Man. You'd be like, what is this, eyes? Although, yeah, because we do get that view of Tony Stark or Rob Denny Jr. in the Iron Man suit, I wonder if we will get that for Peter Parker because he's sort of using that similar tech. That'll be all right.

But it feels like it's closer into his face. Like it's more like a proper mask just with fancy. Less of a helmet. Yeah, because if they give us that angle, you're gonna get like, nah, they won't do that because it's gonna be stupid as fuck. Also, it looked like super materially when he had it off. Oh, that's true. That's a good point.

When he was buggered from the fight. What? Oh, that kind of bugged me. But that's something that bugs me. It was so similar to that with Quicksilver in Days of Jepar. It was like, you had this really cool scene. Now we're going to just chuff off and leave you here. Yeah, I was like... They did it better than Days of Jepar.

Yeah, they did. But Tony Stark's like, I need you to fight. Okay, bye now. Goodbye. No, he's like, you're done. You're done. Because Tony Stark realizes in that fight, and this is why it works a little bit better.

Tony Stark didn't realize how young he was until that fight. No, he knew how young he was. He just didn't know how violent it was going to get. Yeah. And I think that was why he was like, look, you've done. You went toe-to-toe with these guys. Stay down. You're done, mate.

Yeah, I liked it. Because the stakes get, that's right. The hot scene. Yes! I was like, I reckon they're going to hot this. And, oh, oh. Because the steaks get, that's right. The hot scene. Yes! Cool. I was like, I didn't tell him. I'm like, I reckon they're going to hot this. And then they did.

They hot him good. Hey, do you remember that really old movie, Empire Strikes Back? That's good. Although I was disappointed they didn't use the music. Yeah. They should have used some Star Wars. Yeah, they could have. That'd be funny.

Or even if it was just like humming it or singing it. Yeah. Oh, that would be very Deadpool. Yeah. Nah, fuck that. Don't. Keep. Oh, that would be very Deadpool. Yeah, it would. Nah, fuck that. Don't keep my Spider-Man, Spider-Man, and keep my Deadpool off TV.

Yeah, shit. Our other favorite bits. I loved... You go. I yelled way too late. You go first. That was scary. I was afraid for my life. I really liked Paul Rudd in this And like Ant-Man was garbage

It's hot garbage And like Paul Rudd's performance in it Kind of also garbage It was nothing Yeah but in this I was like hey I like him so much And I liked him more than Like Peter Parker Or like any of the other new people. Yeah, I did.

Because he felt so real. You know what I mean? Like he wakes up in the van like, what the fuck is going on? What time zone is this? I did like they didn't show like where they got him. It's just like, he's here. We saw getting Peter Parker. We don't need another.

They're like, whatever. Fuck it. They just found out. I did want a moment of him being like after he's like oh man touching

pecs of Steve that was great and like oh yeah I know you too I just wanted him to be like oh Buck hang on I just wanted him to be like

oh he's a criminal what are we doing here what's this about and I know Anthony Mackie but Falcon would have been like

Sam Wilson this this but I would have just liked him to be like, oh, wait, hang on. What? Yeah. Just a little bit of a clarification. But I don't know. I just really enjoyed it.

That was good. And I liked the way when he was in the bloody Roth prison, he was playing the drums on a chair. That's good. He just seemed so much more like just a person. And I really appreciated that. I think with Ant-Man, the last third of Ant-Man is significantly better

Than the rest of Ant-Man That train fight's sick I mean, Yellowjacket, whatever It's just another trash Marvel villain It's another bad version of the good guy It's just Obadiah Stane again Which, hey, they've done like nine of them At this point, and that's alright

Which reminds me I need to get to Baron Zemo about this as well actually but yeah, no, with Ant-Man yeah, like, because it wasn't just like he was funny but he was also like, yeah it was just genuine, like Spider-Man you were like

clearly this is dialogue written to make me as an audience member laugh and that's fine, that's good because that's what Spider-Man should be but he was just talking and it was just funny because you're like that's his character and and he felt so real that you're like it is funny that he's like what's going on and they're like you got anything he's like i can become giant man but it's bad it'll hurt me the orange slices exactly yeah i haven't seen ant-man but i i loved him i'm like i think it may be partially because it's like, Paul Rudd.

Yeah, he's an Ant-Man. You might like Ant-Man more now if you go back and watch it. Yeah, I feel like I will. I mean, he doesn't become giant in Ant-Man. It's kind of rubbish. He needs to just be giant all the time. He rides an arrow. Ant-Man was my peak.

When we did the movie maintenance on Ant-Man where I'm like, man, Tony Stark should have been the villain. It would have made more sense, and it would have made more sense to tie it in this film if you had rather than Yellow Jacket. Yeah, that's true. That's true. I did like when he got inside Iron Man's suit running about. That was good.

That was so cool. He's like, I'm your conscience. We don't talk very much anymore. Black Panther thoughts? Yeah. I thought he was super nothing-y, but that's just me. They introduced, I like that they didn't try to like to introduce him too much, but they also didn't introduce him enough. Yeah.

Yeah. It was kind of like, hey, in 10 minutes, we're basically going to give you his backstory and motivations. You good? You good. Done. Here you go. Black Panther.

I really liked Black Panther. Really? Yeah. I thought it was, um, thought it was a very brief introduction, but you didn't need much. We don't need to be told that every fucking generation you get this Black Panther and blah, blah, blah, Phantom, but Black Panther.

Black Panther. That's fine. I thought it was really... That's what you really needed, really. Yeah. I thought his motivations were very clear. I thought he was very much like... I liked that he was just stalking around

and every time he landed, it was just silent like a cat. I don't know, he's just a cat man. I don't know. My problem is that I feel like he was very Bucky, but Bucky was significantly better. I really like Winter Soldier. I think Black Panther served that purpose to really move the storyline because without Black Panther, a lot of this would have been resolved because a lot of the kind of the problems there of captain america being like

stopping bucky from you know doing whatever but black panther's like i'm gonna try and kill him so yeah yeah i'm escalating the situation fuck you um that reminded me oh yeah that bring me back to baron zemo He's not quite perfect. Doesn't quite get there, but he's the most fleshed out and real-ish Marvel villain. I really liked him as a villain. His motivation made sense. He's lost his family. And it's personal.

But actually personal. Not just like, I was rich and you're richer. Isn't that the same villain backstory as Whiplash from Iron Man 2? Is it? Yes, it is. I backstory as Whiplash from Iron Man 2? Is it? Yes, it is. I forgot about Whiplash so much. Iron Man 2 is a hot shit because they don't explore that properly. And then they introduce Justin Hammer, who was just a one-day estate.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it turns out that Whiplash is working for him anyway. So it completely negates. Yeah, it does. Where this is Baron Zima's like, oh, get fucked. And I did like that, the bait and switch.

Oh, yeah, that was good. Of him being like, okay, if he finds these other people, we're fucked. And then he's like, nah, just shot him in the head. We need less of you cunts. A whole bunch of other Winter Soldiers?

Nah. Well done. That was good. I was so expecting a big fight. Yeah. I'm kind of glad I didn't get it. Yeah. Instead, we got that sick Iron Man V cap V Winter Soldier fight.

That said, with Baron Zemo, how did he know about the Winter Soldier program and all of this stuff to start the ball rolling? That's my only question. No, didn't he? I think he explains it. No, they explain it. Because when they show the photographs,

when they're doing that thing that Jackson was talking over, they explain how he knew. You son of a bitch. Yeah, because there's that really, really quick plot point where they reveal that the psychiatrist... I know that because there's a psychiatrist there. No, because they show Baron Zemo. He worked in the army,

and I think he worked with the guy that he drowns at the start of the movie. Yeah? Oh, okay. I like maybe he is about protocol, whatever it was. Because I just wanted to know, how did Baron Zemo be like, okay, I'm pretty sure that the Winter Soldier exists, and I'm pretty sure that...

Oh, I think they mentioned that it was like when... What's her face? No. Answer my own question. Black Widow gave all the government leaks. Oh, yeah, they do say that. Yeah, they explain it. And I wasn't talking over that bit.

I was talking over another bit. Which did confuse me in some way. So, fuck you still. Yeah, that's right. When S.H.I.E.L.D. was Hydra, they leaked all the files. Black Widow. I guess that was good. So, maybe a little bit more emphasis on that.

Maybe? Just so I could hammer it home because I'm an idiot. I think the problem is the movie is just quite long. Yeah. I mean, like, it's a lot of stuff. It doesn't feel long. Like, Batman v Superman is shorter than this. Oh, that feels like a marathon.

So, see, Batman v Superman, I thought it was, like, three years. Like, I'm still convinced, as you are with Savages, that I might still be in the cinema watching BBS. And is my brain's way of coping to be like very douchey one day you're like you wake up and you're watching Batman vs Superman fuck I would be bad I would be the worst thing no but when it finished I was like oh shit it's over I thought it was gonna be like it was gonna do that thing that um 10 Cloverfield Lane does and I'm trying to think of another example But when this finished, I was like, oh shit, it's over. I thought it was going to be a bit more. Yeah, it seemed like it was going to do that thing that Tentcovefield Lane does, and I'm trying to think of another

example, where it was like, act one to three and then a surprise second third act. Like a twist, like a twist that would then bring on a different act. That is one thing negative about this film, I would say. We've got a classic film as Into the Woods. Oh, I love that movie.

It's got, like, on Netflix, nobody likes it. It's so good. It's supposed to be like it is. Spring Breakers is one star. That's one of my favorite movies. People don't know shit about how good Spring Breakers is. They've got it. But no, like one negative thing about this movie is that there was really no twists.

You don't need twists in a movie. You don't need twists, but there's no surprises, I'll say. Yeah. Say, for example, BVS, right? There were no surprises because they gave everything away in the trailer. Whereas in this film, there were no surprises because there just were no surprises. No, the twist is the fact that all the Winter Soldiers are killed. Yeah, but you only find out about them a minute before they die. die anyway before we get to things that are garbage tussle i know but

don't just give me the finger why can't you think of anything specific yeah well that's a good review no but like i just i don't think i thought about it enough since last night well overthink it overthink it nothing stood out to you that was like super just you like the ant man yeah no just like that whole fight i guess i'm just like the same thing that we've been talking about you stole my bit i'm gonna change it you know what i'll cop that i'm gonna change my answer to the winter soldier oh no the captain america iron man fight at the end that was real emotional i like the bit where i take that too that's fine no i like the bit where iron man like you can see it in his face that he thinks he's about to die like it's like the very last

blow where cap has the shield and shoves it into his chest but uh tony thinks it's going for his face and he's fucked imagine if captain america just beheaded tony stark but it's like how can you repair that if you think Like that relationship between the two of them I agree that bugged me so much throughout the whole film Like things that bug us About this film every time they have A conflict it's then just resolved

Like that he's like I'm gonna cut your head off I nearly kill you and then he's like No but lol if you ever need me I'm here No no the movie is But Iron Man doesn't forgive him In the film though you and then he's like no but lol if you ever need me i'm here no no the movie is trash but iron man doesn't forgive him in the film yeah no that's what i'm saying like that's true and like it really goes to show when he does like cap america does go to take off his head iron man thinks that like he thinks that he's going for his head and that's a real cool moment that fight is

fucked but in a good way like it's this movie it does dark properly that's true but it's also really light in some spots it's like it does a very like non-naturalistic shift in a few points where it's like oh no well yeah because like i think that's the thing like with that superhero fight like they say a few times in that like like clint and nat well i don't know why i don't use their superhero names but clint's a gnat yeah when they're just punching on a bit clint's like we're still friends though and i know she no nat says we're still friends aren't we clint's like that's how hard you hit yeah like you know that there's no stakes but then all of a sudden like there is no stakes in that fight and then all of a sudden there's heaps of stakes like

when there's that individually there's no stakes like between clinton and natasha there's no stakes but then one does like fuck you and just grabs um natasha just flings her around then just grabs black panther and flings him off i guess so there is sort of there there is sort of there's tension there and it's about as much tension as we're going to get with a comic book film. Because comic book films, look, comic books and comic book films. Mates aren't going to kill mates. A lot of comic books, it's just status quo. You look at Civil War, the actual comic book event.

They were like, all right, we've got to upstake. So we're just going to kill Black Goliath, who no one really knows about, to show that, yes, people people do get killed but we can't kill the mainstayers because of course we fucking can't yeah yeah so it's unfortunate that we're not gonna get that sort of not dark and gritty but at least those sort of stakes but these stakes are raised so i think as high as they're gonna be able to get an mc universe where's nick fury yeah i was thinking that last night he's dead he's He's like, no, no, no. They're like, Nick, we could really use your help.

He's like, I'm dead. I'm dead when it comes to bullshit. I promise. Is it an Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. thing? No, because Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. They separate them pretty good. Yeah, well, sort of. They tried to.

At first they were like, no, it's the same universe. And now they've separated pretty good because the head of Marvel. Is Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. a different world to this one? No, it's not. It's like an alternate timeline. Now they've separated pretty good because the head of Marvel... The head of Marvel... It's actually on a different world to this one. No, it's not. It's like an alternate timeline. It was meant to be the same. Yeah.

But then I'm going to butcher this story. But pretty much my understanding of it, and I think it's vague enough that works, is like Marvel used to be run by two guys and then they separated and now one's in charge of movies, one's in charge of TV. And the one that's in charge of TV and the one that's in charge of TV was the one that made a lot of the bad decisions

in the movie Ike Perlmutter Ike Perlmutter made a lot so like shit things that happened in movies were mostly his fault Ike Perlmutter

his call could be here so I don't know you know what Ike Perlmutter is a fucking cunt and I'm going on record saying it let him die

he is very very old like he doesn't get seen in the public eye like he's probably gone soon but he's the kind of person that was like what we're having

a press junction alright how why are we giving the journos like two cokes give them one coke save money and shit like that like we're not hiring chairs

let them stand like very very frugal to the point of ridiculous considering how much money these films make. Probably hates women as well. Well he donated a lot to I want to say Trump.

There it is. There it is. Black Panther? Nah. White Panther. Black winner? Nah. White man. It's like. No. White man. It's like Black Panther comes out. It's like, awesome.

And then he just takes off his mask. And it's just this white guy. He's like, we thought you were African. He's like, yes, South African. Oh, imagine. Does that mean Daredevil is like a separate? No, Daredevil and the Netflix series, I think, are made by, actually, I are made by actually I don't know

I don't know I think what's gonna happen is that in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. they'll probably keep doing it Jessica Jones and Daredevil and all the TV things

they'll reference things that happen in the movies but I don't think we'll ever get a team up and thank God because oh my God that is way too many characters exactly

it is and it isn't like because how good would Hawkeye be teaming up with Daredevil how good would a Hawkeye original TV show would be in the TV universe having the movie characters is good

but the other way around because if Daredevil had shown up to the big airport punchline he'd be like Daredevil get the fuck out get back to Hell's Kitchen you dickhead what do you do if Jessica Jones would be there

be like you know let's just maybe go back to detectiving there's a guy here who's a god basically don't fight gods

oh there is too much but I would love I would have always loved to seen a Hawkeye no you just want team ups you just want individual team ups

but you can't you're not going to get that but did did this movie and I'm not saying necessarily that it did but did this movie have like good evidence that you can do a film with a massive roster of characters with all different powers without it becoming too much yes i think that this managed

it significantly better than joss whedon and avengers 2 did yeah this like this is probably the best marvel film since guardians of galaxy yeah i'm gonna say it probably the best Marvel film since Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah. I'm going to say it's the best Marvel film since... I'm going to say it's the second best Marvel film. Winter Soldier's better. Oh, yeah, look, I think Winter Soldier is better. Iron Man 3 is still my favorite. I know that people have strong opinions.

My issue with it is not that, like... I think it's fun, but I think it makes a lot of trash decisions that some of them are... The things that I hate in superhero movies like film things not like i don't care if fucking whatever his name is an actor that's sick that was good that was the best move best move in the game you hate quips but that is solely so that it's just all that's not quips no you don't know what a quip is no that reveal isn't a quip. That reveal is a gag. Yeah, it's a gag.

But every line that that character says, every line that Trevor says is a quip. No, because it's in- So I don't like a quip. And I was thinking about this last night as I drifted off to a peaceful slumber. What a quip does- A furious slumber. What a quip does is a quip undermines

the universe of a character. Okay? So a quip is like a quip undermines the universe of a character okay so a quip is like a line oh yeah that's good what was that ring where's that from whose phone was that it's not mine mine's on where did it come from what the fuck corner what is over there i don't know let's just keep recording and hope it happens again ghosts Ghosts. Keep going. So, like, a line that I loved in this film, but I also kind of hated, was when Captain America throws his shield at Spider-Man,

and Spider-Man's like, your shield doesn't even obey the laws of physics. Okay? That's a quip. And the reason that's a quip is because that's to us, the audience, not to Captain America. You know what I mean? So it's kind of like almost breaking the fourth wall, but not quite. You hate quips that break the fourth wall. But that's all quips. That's what a quip is. If it's not breaking the fourth wall,

it's a gag. Because in Star Wars, what bugged me was every time they made a reference to the previous Star Wars in a kind of wink, wink, nudge, nudge to the camera. Because that's a quip. Because that's saying like, hey, we're films. Trash compactor. Yeah, there you go.

Bam. That was the main one. I loved Star Wars. I saw it four times. Jackson, why are you doing this? You're making me... But you got a point. So that's why the fucking demand...

Because I liked that line, and I reckon that keep that line in. Civil war. Team Joel. However wins, we lose um no but that that's why that's why mandarin was fine because that was his character it was within universe it wasn't a wink wink nudge nudge to us the audience like because a lot of the other like quips that spider-man said weren't so much quips they were just part of this characterization yeah and that's fine but then when he's like Like fighting yeah Falcon And him just being like oh cool what is that

Is this thing what are you made out of And he's just like yeah He's such a nerd it's wonderful He's such a little wiener Who for some reason doesn't quite like grab the gravity Of the situation Like honestly what did Iron Man say to him On the way there

like it can't have been enough i did say that like captain america is bad or whatever yeah but does that mean that like parker is just this crazy fearless guy oh no he says to captain he says because the line in the film because cap talks to spider-man at one point and spider-man's like he says that you're really like he says you're really determined and nothing will stop you and that makes you bad or something because you

think you're right that makes you dangerous yeah yeah yeah and then Cap's like yep and then he just drops like a thing on him and that was clues holding up a thing and he's just like

where are you from Queen Cap doesn't know what Spider-Man's powers are that is true and funny he doesn't know that he's gonna survive that if he's not got any

strength dead like a bug just got him powers are that is true and funny he doesn't know that he's gonna survive that if he's not got any strength dead squish like a bug just got him splash squish squish that spider

yeah I was noticing in that fight everyone's like dude he's like 16 guys put your punches stop like really that should have been

the conflict of the fight yeah like the moment Spider-Man comes out and Captain America's like how old is this kid well they say that when it makes Empire Strikes Back reference.

Yeah, no, but they say that to people on his own team. It's not Captain America being like, Tony Stark, are you fighting with a child? Did you make a child fight? This guy shoots missiles at a kid. What's wrong with you? The only thing I can think of is that they because it never really says how iron man figured out that peter parker was spider-man but that's good they make it sound no that's fine but based on the photos and stuff like that and the fact it says he's been spider-manning for six

months there is a chance to captain america like the team is aware of probably actually no that's a good point like because they would have been... They're aware of him. Yeah, like, there would have been probably a meeting at the Avengers mansion with, you know, like, Vision in his sweater just being like, hey, have you seen this guy? He's pretty rad.

And everyone's like, that's some pretty sick moves. Yeah, because Tony says to, like, not like, oh, my guy's around here, kind of like, wherever. Yeah, I've got a plan. Yeah, and it's like i know a guy yeah that's it where's my guys downstairs where's your guy queens giant fonts no fuck those giant wes anderson fonts oh no that was super good because the movie jumped around heaps like a lot

it made it really easy to follow where we were. It also was visually different, because every... That's true. Like, oh, like a little font that says fucking London down the bottom. Oh, this could be fucking Crank. Every movie does that, where this giant font was like, that's interesting. It also meant that it gave you an establishing shot,

and where it was at the same time. I liked it, but maybe the white and the font, maybe they could have had a different... Yeah, the particular font itself was the most annoying thing. Yeah, it wasn't necessarily that they made big words. That's fine. It's just calm down. No, more.

Every time a character's on screen. Big things and make little spirals behind it. No, no, no, don't do that. No, just leave the white font, but want it every time a character's on screen as well, like Captain America. Iron Man. That seems so very like 70s-esque in a way. Perfect. But it just seems so tonally

wrong. That's what my issue was. No, they stopped doing it when the movie got dark. That's because they stopped moving when the movie got dark. Also, it doesn't fit in with the previous two Captain America films. It's like, the Captain America films that are really quite different. Yeah, that's true. A big thing didn't crash into a small thing, and that's good.

Would you have watched this film and known what was going on if you had never seen an Avenger film or never seen a Captain America film? Not at all. Absolutely. You would have known what was going on? Yep. Because it establishes it in when it shows all the damages that have been done. Because at this point it's pretty much

impossible. It would be impossible to live in this world to watch this movie and not know that it's like, as in like, you know the Avengers movies exist. And you at least know the Captain America films exist. And I kind of think it's a weird argument. Even though it's a report.

But it's like, why would you watch this as your first one? Well, no, it's fine. It works as a first one. I think you understand it, but you just might not like it. I reckon that the Captain America movies, all three of them, you could just watch without watching any Avengers films, which is good because they're not numbered.

No, you would be so confused. You could watch one and two, but three, I think you need at least a couple of Iron Man films. No, you don't. Alright, because like... Because actually think about how long it takes for them to explain what's

sort of going on. The second scene? The first time where we see Iron Man and it explains what happened? Yeah, that's like three scenes in. They have the flashback to 1991 with Winter Soldier. But then we don't know what's going on and we've seen 12 films. Yes, we do. I was like, that's Winter Soldier.

Okay, and that's the code book because he's a KGB spy. How would Stark get shot by, or strangled, whatever, by Winter Soldier? We knew that in Captain America 2. I don't think so. I watched it the other day.

It's not toward the end because I watched that when I got home from the film. And I don't think it was in the style at all because I remember being like, wait, when did Cap find this out? Yeah, when did Cap find it? Because I'm aware that Cap, I'm aware that I knew that happened. Like, weirdly. Really? Is it in a comic?

No. I just... In the pop culture, Zygust or whatever you call it, I knew that Winter Soldier was responsible for Howard and Mother Stark dying. But I don't know how I know that. Was it someone doing something? Was it a Mr. Sunday Sunday movies fucking things we missed? Am I going to blame James for this?

James, I'm calling you out. Yeah, I didn't know. It was a shock to me, but I didn't think it was a particularly good twist. But I did like how it then changed Tony Stark. Yeah, I get it. Because Tony Stark went from being like, we have responsibility, blah, blah, blah. But then it's like, no, this cunt killed my mum.

What it did, as a catalyst, it was good, but I just don't think it was a good catalyst, if you know what I mean. So, like, I like what it did, and I like the way it changed the game, and I like the way it shook things up. But I thought it was... I just like how it turned Tony. Yeah, like, I agree.

But I thought it was just sort of like... That said... Like as a twist, you were like, oh, okay. I think I made this to you last night. Yeah. This film and say Avengers 2, Age of Ultron. Yeah. This...

Because to me, this film felt a little bit like an epilogue to Age of Ultron. Yeah. And could you imagine if we got like a lot of the Age of Ultron stuff and just real trimmed a lot of the age of ultron stuff and just real trimmed a lot of that fat and condense that into almost two acts yeah and then this one you condense it into one act and there you almost have like one kind of continuation of the film because it kind of is yeah we have all the bullshit we think we're doing good in sokovia all that happens but then we have the fallout which which is this,

which kind of makes a nice third act. Yeah. And if you were to kind of really, really, really trim and cut the fat and that kind of stuff, it would look kind of like a nicer story. Because you suggested, or you said last night, that was this a film? Well, just a lot of neat things occurring for us to look at.

Which I know, Will, there's Joel Dush's mouth opening up. No, I opened my mouth. Because I have brought upon his ire. No, no, no, it's fine. The reason I was silent is because I just had a quick look at Howard's... Fuck. Oh, cute little baby douches. I usually edit these out, but no, I keep going.

That's dumb. We talked over them too. I just had a quick look at Howardard stark's like marvel cinematic universe facebook uh not facebook page added him on facebook i'm waiting for a chat um waiting for an accept apparently he's dead so it could be coming a long time anyway um and yeah it mentions like it doesn't mention the events of civil war on the page but it does mention that he died in an accident that was secretly arranged by hydra so it must, like, it doesn't mention the events of Civil War on the page, but it does mention that he died in an accident that was secretly arranged by Hydra. So it must be mentioned somewhere. It might just be mentioned that he's killed by Hydra, which it is actually, I think, but

it might just not be specifically. I think in Winter Soldier. Wait, it is James's fault. No. No. Because he does mention Hydra and I think he was like 10 Easter egg things or whatever. It might be Winter Soldier. Maybe that's why.

Yeah. Because I think, yeah, in Winter Soldier, there's like a thing of like, oh, we were behind these things and it flashes up some deaths. Okay. Including like Fury and Howard and someone else. Yeah, I think that was it. That scene in the bunker with... Computer Man.

Computer Man. Oh, and it makes sense to why Captain America, because his answer is more just like i figured yeah not like i knew for sure because with the fucking winter soldier like you know that he's he's like hydra's assassin the movie establishes that so captain america could have easily made that leap like as in like yeah okay no that's fine yeah oh the movie's like i said for some reason like i know this like yeah i think we would have all just made exactly the same leap yeah yeah i think we get no but with this film oh going back to

something that happened just because i was on my phone trying to figure this question out for like five minutes and then i sneezed and it was bad um i think that you could watch civil war like it establishes enough that's several questions but all right miles we've moved on i know just let me finish because at the start it shows all the kill counts and stuff like that. So you know that they're bad. Like, they've done bad. You also get Wanda blowing up the building, which is the most tragic thing I think we've ever seen. Oh, she's so good.

She's so heartbroken. And I'm like. And even Captain America looks like, oh, fuck. I wanted more of that. Yeah. As in, more of that persecution of Wanda. Like, you know, Speedball in the comics, how he was like a fucked up bad time and everyone's like wanting his blood

and wanting him to go to jail. That would have been nice to show with Wanda a bit. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a scene that features like a protest or something that got cut out of the film. Because I know that... In the news report, they're like blaming Wanda. Yeah.

What? In Age of Ultron, what did Wanda do? She was bad for a bit and then was good. Oh, that's right. She became good. Okay, just Wanda. She was a bad bloke who became a good bloke. And her brother died and she was dead. Also, she got real over her brother very quick.

Yeah, that's not mentioned at all. At all. Did everyone just put a kibosh on it? Yeah. Everyone was just like a kibosh on it? Yeah. Everyone was just like, don't talk about it. Don't talk about the creature. Maybe just like the whole vision being nice, being like, oh, I'll look after you.

Where were you going to mention Quicksilver that wasn't just going to be a reference? Like, hey. It just seemed someone who just lost a brother. She didn't seem very like that upset. Well, how long ago did it happen? I guess we don't know. About a year. A fair while.

About a year. Is it a year? Yeah. Okay. Even if we say a year, we just want her when she's standing in the street just to be crying.

I don't know. Just even a minute. No, but she seemed like she was not emotionally stable in that film. I mean, we saw her blow up a guy.

Crossbones, he ate shit real quick. Crossbones, we were like, is he going to be a major villain? No. No, not at all. Is Crossbones going to kill Captain America? No, because Captain America's not going to die. Did Captain America maybe become Nomad, though? Yes, he did.

Fight with a whip. Whip and net. Whip and net. The best weapon you can use. Licorice whip. Right? He just gets like a pot plant on his head We'll see what happens I hope it was a divo hat That'd be alright

No but this film Watch as I just like Cop it from Dushan real quick Yes I'm so afraid Shut the fuck up I won't interject This movie to me Yes. I'm so afraid. Shut the fuck up. I won't interject.

Okay. This movie to me was a lot of nice things to watch, but not much of a movie. It seemed to me like the first third was kind of dull. Then there was a big extended, hey, look at the heroes we got fight, which was my favorite bit. And none of these are criticisms, really, because, hey, I came out of it happy and tired. And then the end bit was just sort of like a, and then we've wrapped it up with another neat fight. The end.

Move on. Yeah, it didn't really work. It didn't feel succinct. It didn't feel like a solid beginning, a reasonable middle, and then we wrap it up with the end. It just felt like neat stuff. Whoa.

Neat stuff. Yeah. I kind of agree with you, but at the same time, there is some simple things there. And when you look at it like, what did it kind of do? I guess you had a bunch of Avengers go underground.

And also, the reason that you feel like this is the same way. It's because it's a movie where the plot is constantly changing, like evolving. So it's like a thing causes another thing, which causes another thing another thing which causes another thing where the whole movie isn't just one a lot of this movie also to me you know a sitcom where like

classic episode of Roseanne where Dan has a misunderstanding with his wife Roseanne and the whole plot of the episode is Dan thinks one thing but Roseanne thinks another and whole plot of the episode is Dan thinks one thing, but Roseanne thinks another. And they could have just spoken about it. And at the end of the episode, Dan's like, hey, this.

And Roseanne's like, oh, well, gee, none of that was worth anything, really. Credits. That's one fact about Roseanne. They never do that. They don't do dumb sitcom stuff like that. That's why it was so groundbreaking. So, for instance, in one episode they get uh dan gets a job uh-huh and he gets a 500 advance payment and because they're a blue collar family

with three kids they're like they're not poor poor but they're but hey 500 they're struggling like is it like it they have to like make ends meet hashtag struggle street yeah like they're not saving money every paycheck kind of thing they They're not buying nice cars. Dan's trying to build a boat as a hobby in his garage. And that's nice. Yeah. Whereas Anne's just getting by. And yeah, they balance all the checks and stuff. And then they have $11 left.

And like, we should buy ourselves something. And they're like, nah, we should save it. And then both of them go and buy the thing they want. And then they have a like joke argument about it. But then they're like, nah, look, being poor is hard. And then that's the end. That's good. That is good. So good so rather than being like oh what a classic misunderstanding it's like ah we both did wrong i still love you roseanne sounds just delightful

and that is why it's a groundbreaking great show um i've spoken about like this almost happened yesterday but now we've got me on the roseanne train whoops um So, yeah, I agree with Jack for a sec. It's just that, and you could kind of, a lot of this stuff could be resolved with really just sitting down and talking it through. But they mention that. They try to. They try to.

And then, like, I think Cap Merrick is chatting to Sam Wilson and being like, well, there's information that, you know, it wasn't Bucky. It was all this kind of bullshit. Do we go to Stark? And they're like, is he even going to listen? And you could say, given the benefit of the doubt, and with due process, it might happen.

No. But they just kind of- Do you know why they also can't do that? Something you mentioned earlier in this episode, Black Panther trying to kill Bucky. Yeah, but Black Panther trying to kill him. Because, yeah, you could sort it out, but then you add all the personal vendettas on top of it yeah this movie is very

so it is it's very good that way and i love that a lot of this all the fucking personal vendetta stuff comes from family and it's so good love familiar you got baron zemo being like you killed my kids or my kid and my wife and my pa you got you know iron man being like you killed mama and my dad but mostly mama you've you got even in the to cut to chawa wakanda wakanda good old wakanda saying you know you killed you killed king wakanda and now i'm gonna kill you um but i'm also a bit of black panther that's good and so it's really nice You also got the Sharon Carter thing Helping out Captain America Because he was so nice To Peggy

I did think Oh you thought That Sharon Carter Was going to be An extra Winter Soldier And I'm like That's going to be

A cool reveal Oh Didn't happen Never mind Imagine they do that In the next movie I did think Here's a Thor

And a Hulk in space Captain America Just got fucking shot Off screen Oh dead They come back to Earth And they're like What happened They're like Oh Sharon Carter Shot Captain America I did fucking shot. Off screen. Oh, dead. They come back to Earth and they're like, what happened?

They're like, oh, Sharon Carter shot Captain America. I think I did want that. I did want maybe not so much a death. It's funny because

yesterday you said, I would be more surprised if they don't kill someone. I hope they don't because that would be a nice review. I mean, I kind of wanted

a bit more like paralyzing double-sided people. That was a bad sentence. You wanted more. You wanted more espsided people. Yeah. That was a bad sentence. You wanted more espionage. Yeah. You wanted more double agents. You wanted Winter Soldier again.

I guess somewhat a bit more of a surprise because, you know, it's like- Some of these pale hydras. Yeah. But Black Widow, she stops Black Panther from- Black Widow. A lot of black things. Black Widow stops Black Panther- Excuse me?

From taking down the Quinjet yeah and you're like yeah we knew that she'd do that like that's not a surprise um sharon carter helping out steve rogers not a surprise yeah uh and so it'd be nice if there was maybe more double agents and maybe someone was nobody seemed to react like normal people also Also, I think it's canon now. Hawkeye hates his family. Yeah. Yeah? Hawkeye hates his fam.

No, his family hate him. No, isn't there a bit where he's like- Hawkeye, bad dad? He's like, I let them down. I was supposed to go skiing. Yeah, but then later on, he says something about like, thank God you got me away from the alternative or something. He did not want to go skiing with the fam.

He didn't want to go skiing with his family even a little bit like when he's in jail he's like well i guess this is better than the alternative yeah unless it's sarcastic no he's like it's better than the alternative as in death maybe i don't know i think he just hates his family i like that everyone else is about like family and like we've got to you know avenge that one and he's like just send me away send me me away. Oh my God. I've got no time for that. I wish instead I was bow and arrowing. I liked at one point in the fight,

they're like, okay, we'll match them up. Okay. So you got like, Captain America is fighting Iron Man. That's good. You got your Black Widow is kind of going up against whoever.

Hawkeye. Yeah. Then it's like, no, but there was a bit where Hawkeye and the Vision are fighting. You're like, Hawkeye, pick your battle. Or was that when he goes to get Wanda Maybe but why don't fight Vision

Nobody should fight Vision Wanda is the only one who can Yeah exactly I did like it when Vision fucked up and yeah paralyzed War Machine I really liked War Machine in this I don't know why but I was super into it I liked when he had a billy club

Yeah I was like fuck I hope War Machine in this. I don't know why, but I was super into it. I liked when he had a billy club. Yeah. I was like, fuck, I hope War Machine just fights by smacking people in their club. Well, it's like, this won't kill you,

but it's going to bloody hurt. Yeah, exactly. And he was doing, like when he unleashed on Giant Man. Oh, when he was swinging the thing and he unleashed all his weapons

and just decimated them. Like a truck. Yeah, that was really cool. Yeah, War Machine was cool. That fight was so good. That fight was good.

And also, paralyzing War Machine is a good way to remove some of the heroes. You're not like, well, he's sick now. We just need to kill him. Because we've had so many fake deaths in the Marvel Cinematic Universe now. I just didn't want him walking. I know he's struggling. But he will.

By the next time we see War Machine,'ll have magic robot legs I kind of wanted him in a wheelchair I mean it's a bit of a cop out very cliche but just but also people would be like but Tony like you're so good

at making things why didn't you make him what's wrong with him we would be making that argument yeah yeah we would maybe shoot off a leg

I just think no you'd still be like why doesn't he have robot legs yeah make a leg listen to our podcast they gave Bucky be like, why doesn't he have robo legs? Listen to our podcast. They gave Bucky a robo leg. Give him a fucking robo leg, Stark. Even now, why is Tony Stark like,

I'll just give you weird leg struts. I think it's rehabilitation at this point. Chop off his leg. Give him leg treads. Anyway, it was good. I'm glad that that happened and yeah

it was Vision's fault and that also that also makes it scary cause like they never addressed that yeah it's a fate worse than death

no but I don't you mean they're like Vision's dangerous yeah it's nice that you can kill a character but it's like hey we can also do other things

like maim them and also cause like Winter Soldier had a good fake out with nick fury but when you add in the fake out of colson the fake out of looks like hawkeye's gonna die kill kill in quicksil like you've had so many deaths recently where i'm glad they just didn't kill someone yeah yeah they didn't need to cap's clearly gonna go underground and pop up in probably infinity war part two yep oh actually winter soldier they froze him as well they got Cap's clearly going to go underground and pop up in probably Infinity War Part 2. Yep. Oh, actually, Winter Soldier.

They froze him as well. They got rid of him. I said this last night, but I kind of wish that, because it was like, freezing him was like in the credits kind of bit. I wish it had been part of the film, because I know that when we go to see a Marvel film, we know that that is there, but it still feels kind of removed and less like it's actually part of the story yeah it's like a little bonus even though it's

like and that should have been part of the story because that should have been how it ended for Captain America because it was Captain America's film yeah

but instead we got basically Tony Stark's end no do you remember what happened at the end of the movie yeah he goes Nomad yeah I know

but that was more like a and guess what he's Nomad now that's the after credit bit yeah yeah exactly don't swap it around or have both in

don't swap it around but you should put fucking that them that should have been before the ending but then they should have had like a

a stinger that's not related maybe purple hawk doing something yeah that would have been a nice stinger because they always do that with the two stingers now

the one stinger is directly related to what just happened usually like an epilogue it's an epilogue it was an epilogue what was the like That would have been a nice stinger. Because they always do that with the two stingers now. The one stinger is directly related to what just happened, usually. Like an epilogue. It's an epilogue. It was an epilogue. What was the post-credits thing? Post-post-credits scene was...

Spidey. Oh, Spider-Man. Oh, that was nonsense. He's like, I guess I got a magic watch that makes a computer on the roof. But that was a gift from Tony Stark. Was it? I thought... Because he mentioned a guy from the Bronx. No, no mentioned no no he's talking about his black eye like what happens

yeah and he's like a guy his friend was really big what quip quip right there that's a quip why does he need to bring it up with aunt may that's a fucking quip that's for us i hate it oh i hate it anyway i don't understand like i what was that spider what why what's the computer oh yeah you can access oh right no you know i can in batman how they have the bat signal and then that was like really well developed and they told you how how that works yeah yeah so that's that's actually spider-man equivalent this is just okay this is because you know how in Batman V Superman, you're like,

this bat signal is going to be a major plot point. Yeah. So we're going to real focus on it and explain what that means and who can turn that on and why people use that. So,

same kind of thing. Oh, okay, okay, no, I'm bored now. But instead, they're like,

we won't use it as a plot point because we don't have time to explain it. So we're just going to have a bit of a stinger so we can be like, I guess now I can access some S.H.I.E.L.D. files or whatever. Super good. Fuck you, Batman V Superman. Shit, fucking shit. to explain it so we're just going to have a bit of a stinger so we can be like I guess now I can access some shield files

or whatever super good fuck you Batbeat these two men shit fucking friends alright Matt okay so it's just sort of like

Tony Stark deck so it's just a computer they gave him like a sick computer it's like a probably where the Avengers can be like like Avengers card

you know what I mean like we can contact you I don't know why I pointed at my stomach call me reach me if you want to beat me exactly we can probably also do

some of those like hand move things where you can like make things like Minori Report style yeah Stomach, but... Call me, reach me, if you want to beat me. Yeah. Exactly. They can probably also do some of those hand-move things where you can make things... Black Minari Report style? Yeah. How ever I'm going to be cool. Anybody find it weird that Ant-Man's wrist gauntlet

was almost exactly the same design as Hawkman's wrist gauntlet? Falcon? Sorry, Red Bird. I did like how Falcon was like, man, he's dressed up like a cat. What a piece of shit. Well, everyone's thinking to themselves, like, he's dressed up like a cat. What a piece of shit. Well, everyone's thinking to themselves, like, you're a bird.

Shut up. Yeah, because cat eat bird. That was cute. That's scary for you. That was cute when the cat man just jumped on bird man. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, it's like nature. Also when he shot Red Wing at...

At Iron Man's face. Yeah, it was good. And earlier when Nat's like, oh, thank you for helping me. And he's like, no, thank the bird. Or thank... She's like, I won't.

Red Wing, how it's all technical and like a technological thing is so much better than in the actual comics where he has a telepathic link to an actual bird. So props to that. Well done. Swap Redwing with just a real well-trained eagle and it's super cool.

Shoot an eagle in Tony Stark's face. Just have a lot of eagles on retainer. Yeah. That was good. Black Widow had so many bikes. Very disposable. That was good.

Black Widow in the first fight fights with motorbikes They're like her weapon of choice Like at first she like drives a motorbike Into someone leaps off the motorbike And then like a scene later She's on another motorbike and she does the same move Is S.H.I.E.L.D like please stop What was the bioweapon for

It doesn't matter No that's good. No, no, but who do you reckon it's for? Thanos. That wasn't like a plot hummer. Who do you reckon he was going on? Who do you reckon he was doing that for? I always thought they were getting vibranium.

No, they were getting a bioweapon. Yeah. Because, no, Crossbones just wants to... Is Crossbones just being a merc, yeah? Is Crossbones just being a merc, but then he's like, well, fuck you Yeah Oh no because he wants revenge because Captain America dropped a building

So maybe he'd have a bit of speculation but that went Like fucking nowhere I don't know any other Marvel characters except me No no no I'm trying to think Like because Crossbones mentions Just before he dies before he blows himself up That um He's got a vendetta

with captain america retro reference as well yeah yeah wait what because he blows himself up like nitro yeah oh right oh right like i just liked how they they took a lot of stuff from the um civil war and made it their own which is yeah yeah that's good and like weapon x program fuck you for having weapon x we'll make our own weapon x and then we're just gonna kill them all fuck you fox fuck you fox you know what my favorite part of this movie that i just remembered Fuck you for having Weapon X We'll make our own Weapon X And then we're just gonna kill them all Fuck you Fox Fuck you Fox You know what My favourite part of this movie

That I just remembered Is that they all but guaranteed A man thing film They didn't guarantee a man thing film There's the raft The prison And the raft means that there'll be The Thunderbolts

The gang made up of prisoners From the raft And who is the vehicle That the Thunderbolts is why it's good mate man they don't own the rights the man man thing rights will be cheap as shit 20 bucks 20 bucks and an apple and you'll get man things right 20 bucks and pay exactly and pay for the remainder of my lunch but no they just don't have the rights for it. They'll get them. They didn't have the rights for Spider-Man. Who's demanding a fucking Man-Thing film except for you?

This boy right here. And no one else. Correct. Hey, but people will probably demand a Thunderbolts, because everybody loved that comic. Actually, a Thunderbolts film would be kind of interesting. Exactly. Plus a Hunter-Man thing.

Because it's run by Hawkeye. Because that was Hawkeye's like I'm not an Avenger, I'm going to run my own Avenger team Thunderbolts would be good Oh wait no That'll just be Marvel version of Suicide Squad Yeah but they're not like No bomb collars

No they do though They're bombs in their heads Yeah but they're not like Quip City like Suicide Squad Suicide Squad's also not going to be Quip City. It's going to be Quip fucking crazy. No, Suicide Squad's going to be balls to the wall bullshit. Don't get the two confused. Dag-tastic.

No. Gags are good. It's not going to be funny. People keep thinking it's going to be really funny. It's not. Gag-tastic. They were saying they had a fucking psychologist on set at first, and then they'll be like,

oh, it's so dark and edgy that all our actors are actively trying to kill themselves. Didn't Jared Leto send people used condoms? He sure did in a dead rat. That's a sex crime. After they finished, though. It wasn't during. That's a good point.

I could be wrong. That's very funny. Jared, stop it. You're basically a sex pest now. You're a sex criminal. We're going to... We might prosecute you. It's like, use condoms and a couple of other weird things.

Dead rat and shit like that. I like dead rat. It was an alive rat. It was an alive rat for Margot Robbie to look after. An alive rat in a condom. It was dead frogs, I think. I like that Heath Ledger is like, okay, I'm going to become the Joker.

So he does it quite quietly. He gets a diary that he writes to kind of get in the mood Jared Leto's like, condoms? Is this an excuse to commit sex crime? Also Jared Leto, you're a sex pest Also, Jared Leto and Heath Ledger Okay, Heath Ledger

The Joker is not a prestigious role It shouldn't be, it's just a comic book villain Who gives a fuck? Jack Nicholson didn't want to do it. He was like, this is trash. And the only reason that they gave it to him is because... The only reason he accepted it is because they were like, oh, we'll sign Robert Williams and he's taking all your roles.

And then Jack Nicholson was like, no, he can get fucked. I'll take it back. And then Robert Williams was very, very pissed at him. Yeah, Robert Williams was like... And then they were like, hey, do you want to be Riddler? And he's like, how about you eat a fat dick? Imagine Robin Williams' Joker. That would be amazing.

He would have just been a... Yeah, it would have been. Anyway, but then just because Heath Ledger died, everyone's like, fuck, the Joker's such a dark part. Because his performance was good. Yeah. Yeah, but if he lived and his performance was good, no one would give a shit.

No, they would just not... There wouldn't be so much mystique Yeah the Joker Oh my god you're playing a comic book villain Fuck that must be rude You're playing a very iconic comic book villain There's a difference between somebody being like I've got the role of Loki Yeah but Lex Luthor is probably just as famous as the Joker

But the only reason the Joker is famous More famous now is because of... Yeah, but it's not because he died. It's because it was a good performance. I reckon if he lived, and I know that everyone had this conversation ten years ago when it happened, he wouldn't have... He might have still got the Academy. He wouldn't have won. I know that they said that. You reckon he wouldn't have?

Who would have won instead? Don't know. I can't remember. No, look, I'm happy. It's fine like he fledges role like he put in a very good performance but the role doesn't need to be like you don't need to be like oh fuck i'm gonna harass my co-star no of course no i'm not saying that also you're an actor the whole thing is like rock up be like hey everyone i'm jared and when the camera starts rolling i'm gonna pretend to be a man called the Joker. Get ready for that.

But it's that getting in that role. It's that Daniel Day-Lewis style. Method acting is fucked. It's stupid. I'm not impressed. There's method acting in it. It's just like fucked. Fucked acting.

What's his name? Ashton Kutcher to prepare for the role of Steve Jobs. He's like, I i'm gonna do the diet that steve jobs did but to stop halfway through because he was just fucking up his pancreas good yeah and then also fucking charlito again was like i'm gonna do chapter 27 or whatever that book's called you know what he did to get fat he got ice cream because he's apparently he's like a vegetarian or something yeah ice cream and just put olive oil in it and drank it and got a wheelchair and refused to walk

everywhere like even around his apartment just wheeled around that's awesome that was when he played Mark David Chapman yeah

and then that movie was critically panned yeah fuck off Jared Leto stop being a sex pest I know that you're listening to this because you're a big fan

yeah Jared Leto you've got our faces on a wall somewhere go bloody take a long walk Stop being a sex pest. I know that you're listening to this because you're a big fan. Yeah. You've got our faces on a wall somewhere. Go bloody take a long walk off a short pier, mate. Take a long hard look at yourself. Realize what you want. There are probably people that are happy to accommodate your sexual kinks. Yeah. But maybe just don't.

A film set. A film set. Or the remains of a film set once filming is finished. It's not appropriate for you to get out your sexual desires. Exactly. So just, you know- I'm so sick of suicide. Consenting adults, Jared.

Consenting adults. This shit looks like he actually, like, might cry. Because I'm thinking about every single fucking news article that's come out about it. We're like, oh, fuck. Suicide's always going to be fucked. We've got, like, psychologists on set. Psych psychiatrists on set because all the characters are just really all the actors are scared and it's so real and dark and gritty and then fucking jared leader sending fucking dead animals to fucking trailers and everyone's like what the fuck this is fucked no we're reshooting now to put quips in it

because we fucking put Bohemian Rhapsody in a fucking trailer and everyone's like oh sick fuck you god I hate this movie so much it hasn't even come out yet I'm so angry it's just Deadpool again but worse Deadpool's not good

I'm so tired I'm thinking I got to work after this and put up with more fucking bullshit where everyone's like, oh, comic books. I'm like, don't talk to me about it.

Do you want to lie down? I want to go eat lunch and then I want to go to Valium. Do you want like a glass of warm milk and a hug? I would.

Do you want to cuddle? The worst thing is every Thursday we change movie posters because new movies come out. And that includes the Coming Soon posters. We have Suicide Squad posters at my work, and they haven't been put up yet. I have a feeling I'm going to walk into work today, and they're going to be right in my face.

Tear them down. If anyone asks you about it, just plug the plug card. I'm like, oh, you want my opinion? You want my opinion? Here it is. And then just scream at them. No words. Just scream. I've got Suicide Squad business cards in it is. And then just scream at them. No words, just screaming. I've got business cards in my wallet.

I might just staple one to their head. That's a good idea. There you go. I gave you two. Anyway, Civil War was good. Civil War? Yeah, it made up for a lot of the problems that the Marvel films have, like as films.

Because all the Marvel films are enjoyable. Like even Thor. I like the Thor movies. No, because all the Marvel films are enjoyable. Like, even Thor. Like, I like the Thor movies. Like, they're... No, no, no. Ant-Man. Age of Ultron. Ant-Man had, like, an enjoyable last third.

Age of... Iron Man 2. Iron Man 2 is the worst of them. I'd go... No! Age of Ultron. Then Iron Man 2. Then Ant-Man.

Yeah. But, like... But apart from those, they're all fine. Like, even Ant-Man is fine. Like, it... But apart from those, they're all fine. Like, even Ant-Man is fine. Like, it's not bad. It's just, like, nothing. If Ant-Man had come in any other point that wasn't directly after Avengers 2, which was, like, a bad time.

Meant to be a down. This is where I think... Like, this is how you do a downer ending. Yeah. Like, this should have been... Again, this should have been what Age of Ultron, in terms of, like, tonal shift, how it was sort of, like, there is a clear divide. Yeah. That's what Age of Ultron should have been. age of ultron in terms of like tonal shift how it was sort of like there is a clear divide yeah that's what age of ultron should have been was there like see i would have liked the divides have happened in age of ultron and then you know him going like a cat america

underground age of ultron and this film being really much about like this the um what was it called in this the sokovia accords yeah yeah those already being in play and then hunting um cat america like that would have been a nicer sort of for me anyway but i did i did enjoy what we've got because i think it's really like the bad taste left in my mouth out out of you know after age of ultron ant--Man, and BVS. Yeah. This was quite refreshing. And this was kind of like the best superhero film

that we're probably going to get in a while. Yeah. Captain America fight scenes are really good. And yeah, the Russo brothers. Russo or Russo? Russo. Jim Rash's cameo at the start. Yeah.

What are you doing in there, Jim Rash? He's also just playing the Dean. Like, as in, like, he's the head of the college as well. He's just the Dean. But yeah, Abed is just Abed in Winter Soldier. The Russo brothers literally... I think they might be directing Infinity War. One of them.

Which makes me feel a lot better about it. Because they're the only directors that have actually put their own... All the other Marvel films could be directed by... Anybody homeless bloke if they want to um where oh actually you know what iron man 3 also has like a unique thing but yeah the russo brothers are you can tell like their fight sequences are really stylized but really good like captain america fights with his shield really really well like if you look at... Can you compare Winter Soldier in this to how he originally fought in, like, the first Captain America movie?

Or even the first Avengers. It's mostly him just being, like, shield, punch. Where this is, like, throwing shit, flips and kicks. And I like that Falcon used his wing as a shield. Yeah. That was cool. The CGI on Falcon was real janky, though.

There were some moments the CGI was very janky though there were some moments the cgi was very janky the first uh the first where they're fighting the first fight is just kind of like weirdly filmed and looks kind of rubbish like there's one point where they kick in a door and that door looks real strange there's a bit where falcon goes from flying to walking and it's like there's this like three or four frames that you can just tell are like this mess. I just remember being like, ooh, that's a gross transition. What about young Robert Downey Jr. though? Oh, fuck. I really forgot about that.

No, that was good because as a man who loves the John Hughes film Weird Science, which stars a young Robert Downey Jr., it's pretty spot on. Do you know what? They might have used Weird Science, Robert Downey Jr. I was going to say, because these actors have had such a long history in film, they can probably grab references from

old films and start using that. Like in Iron Man with that bloke. Old bloke, Michael Douglas. One thing I thought was a bit out of place, whoever was meant to be the Miriam Sharp character, but the black lady with the sun who was like, he's dead. Oh yeah, that was stupid the black lady with the son who was like he's oh yeah

that was stupid like why i like that she was like i'm exactly where i need to be and then stark's like shit assassin fuck yeah that was good yeah but why was she back there was she just waiting for him to be there how did she know he was gonna be there well he was doing a speech so yeah but just i just thought it was stupid where she's like hey one person died when you saved thousands and tony stark's like fuck man you're person died when you saved thousands. And Tony Stark's like, fuck, man, you're right. Do you know what that reminded me so much of? What's that? Superman Grounded.

My favorite comic book, Superman Grounded. Yeah, same. I was like, here's one person that you've damaged. And he's like, I guess I've disappointed everyone. Yeah. That's a stupid way to think. No, but that's the whole thing because it makes it personal where at that point, what the movie's trying to convey and what Superman Grounded

is trying to convey and both of them miss the mark a little bit. Watchmen does it better. Also Watchmen. That's what, honestly what they should have done with that Miriam Sharp, I don't know if that was the character's name in that, but that's who she was sort of meant to be. If she had given a picture of someone who had died in the Wander attack. Yeah.

You know what I mean? But we've already got that with the Wakandas. We'd get that in the very next scene. It's not quite as personal. And that way it would have been a bit more of a jab at Wanda, a bit more of a jab at everyone to be like Tony wasn't involved in that. Yeah, I know. But it was like your team.

I think for him it needed to be him. Yeah, because he's retired at that point. He's like, I'm not Iron Man anymore. It just was a bit odd. No, because it's retired at that point. He's like, I'm not Iron Man anymore. And then the part... It just was a bit odd. No, because it's like the past. You can't escape the past kind of thing. Just pick a better moment. No, that's way better.

I reckon... No, because it makes it personal because the whole thing with Iron Man, he's like, oh, I can give a shit. I went to space once and I was sad about it. But that's super stupid because Iron Man's whole fucking deal is that back when he was just a lad,

his weapons killed people. So you'd think Iron Man would be the most sympathetic towards the collateral damage. Yeah, exactly. It would have been nicer if they picked a moment from Tony Stark's history, like in Iron Man 1, 2, or 3, as opposed to the Sokovia incident,

because the Sokovia incident is a... It's a tremendous... It was just... I don't know. It was so big. It was like if we didn't stop them, more people would have died. The world would have died.

And also... Yeah, do you know also why they picked Sokovia? Why did that happen? Okay, Age of Ultron. It was... Shut up. Because we've got to remember that all Avengers 2 happened because of Tony Stark. The entire film is him.

That's the worst thing he's done. There were a whole bunch of points where it's like, oh, Cap, like... Doing a lot of Sokovia stuff about him kind of being like, the entire film is him that's the worst thing he's done fine fine doing a lot of Sokovia stuff about him kind of being like oh you did this but it's like it's not Cap's fault specifically that that happened don't pick an iron man

and did the world know that Ultron was Stark's fault yes because they had 20 suits of armor remember all his soldiers didn't look like Ultron was the only one with a weird head I know I'm just saying how much does the general public know about Ultron they know they definitely know

just putting it out there there's an answer shut the fuck up are we assuming that Iron Man is that big an idiot that he's like holy shit I hurt actual people when I dropped a country I think he would have known that yeah but that's the thing I, I think he would have known that. Like, surely he knew.

Yeah, but that's the thing. Like, okay. And I don't know. I just thought maybe it would have been like... I just thought it was kind of clumsy. Yeah. It could have been handled a bit better. It could have been handled like any of the moments in Iron Man 3, 2 or 1.

You kind of cherry pick something that's there that just like another minor incident. No, well, it had to be an Avengers because... Or in Avengers, a minor incident or something like that it had to be an Avengers because... Or in Avengers a minor incident or something like that. I don't know. I just... The Sokovia stuff was to me it was clumsily handled. It could have been a bit better. Because it makes it personal. That's the thing. But why, how

what kind of human being doesn't already see it as personal? Because Tony Stark would have known that they were some civilian casualties. There's like a point earlier where they're like here is the fallout from something And there are people being like Holding their kids And it's like does Tony Stark need someone to come up and be like

Hi, hey Tony Stark how you doing So you kill people in that And Tony Stark would be like shee Tony Stark wasn't at the scene you're talking about Yes he was He was sitting there with his face like this That was after Before that

In the General Ross scene No that's after Because that's where there's all of them This speech is directly It's right before it This is the introduction to Tony Stark We don't see him The first time we see him is young

Stark is here and also General Ross That's afterwards But what I was Dead He only knows about the Accords we see him is young. Stark is here and also General Ross. That's afterwards. Because he's like, oh. But what I was... Dead. Yeah, because the first scene we get... He already knows about the Accords. Nah, you're right. The first scene we get of fucking Robert Downey... But how? Shut up for a second. First scene we get with Robert Downey Jr.

is him as the weird young one. We're on. We're agreeing. You're just agreeing with us now. He's still got an in you that you need to get it out. No, but I mean like even in the Battle of New York, was Tony blind? Did he not see people die because of him? Even something like, you know, when he puts up the photo of the kid

and he's like, this person was that. Even another thing, it was another photo of someone else, another photo of someone else, another photo of someone else. Yeah, for him to do his research and be like, there is so... Yeah. Like, that would have been a bit nicer than to focus on this one kid who didn't doesn't get brought up again so you know what you know what you see what i mean so it's like yes this one woman has brought to my attention like put

some names to faces to the numbers and that sucks so i've gone because tony stark as we've shown in iron man 2 and 3 now i'm in 3 that's very obsessive and he suffers from PTSD and anxiety. So then someone being like, this is the name of one kid. I think it wouldn't be out of character for that Tony Stark to be like, I'm going to be obsessive enough

or at least research enough to be like, yep, I'm one of these kids. All these people died and then list them. Iron Man 3's thing isn't that third. That's the thing he's

and that's what people say like it's mentioned in Avengers and stuff like that he only cares about himself and with the PTSD it isn't it isn't about

civilian casualties it's solely about I know that he got stuck in space you're missing my point yeah it's not about

it's about behaviour it's not about the thought process yeah so to me even just a couple of him listing off a couple names and then even have a whole sheet, like these are all the names. Otherwise it's just super weird and like kind of just like nuts. I understand.

I'm fine with this Miriam Sharp being like, this is my kid, but I would have wanted a bit more from Tony Stark because of course, like he should know that there's collateral. If he doesn't know that that's happening. Then he's a King Doofus I think that's a thing he is he is King Doofus where's that crown?

to fix this all you need is I don't think you can change that scene oh no that's fine you just want a scene in between that scene let me see if you like this better so there's that scene and before you get him with Thunderbolt Ross have him just looking at the names,

like, have him standing in the Stark shit with all the computer screens around him, just throwing up photos of Sokovia. Yeah, that'd be nice. Okay, sweet, I fixed it. I like that now too, we're fine. You want him to be obsessing over it and like... I just want it to be less like one child died

and Tony Stark to be like, whoa. We need to stop everything Man we gotta Police ourselves Because like How do you not realise After Avengers 1 How do you not look at

A destroyed New York And be like Man We're doing pretty good Like Yeah Rather than even that scene Just him being like

This one kid Then flashing up Another kid And then just having A whole sheet of paper And like There's some names Remember them

Like even that Would have been like Okay cool But i think oh fuck you're so tired so tired and so angry it's a bad combination because you're making me defend a movie sleepy and grumpy you're making me defend a movie that like it's good it's good but i'm saying it's a good film I'm just saying they could have gone that little bit extra to kind of make those little clunky moments be a little bit more impactful

that's all saying it was an entertaining film but also like largely worthless I am happy to go on record and say this is the best Marvel film we're going to get in this day and age. Spider-Man is probably going to be pretty good, but it's going to be so much better than Infinity War.

It's going to be significantly better than Thor Ragnarok. It's going to be way better than Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2. Why was one of the trigger words... Homecoming? Yeah, Homecoming. One of the trigger words is Homecoming? Yeah, homecoming. One of the trigger words is homecoming. I'm really, really excited for the... Spider-Man's called Spider-Man Homecoming.

I'm really excited for the Incredible Hulk freight train. It would be really great if it was just like, yeah, like 1 or 19, then it was just like Ragnarok Homecoming. What are you doing? Or like naming all the ones in the past. Yeah, yeah. Winter Soldier. Ultra. Imagine if we got a Hulk freight train. Or like naming all the ones in the past Yeah yeah Winter Soldier Ultra

Imagine if we got a Hulk freight train Fuck that would be good Sorry it was freight car Yeah the Incredible Hulk Freight car Hulk 2 freight car Did you Everall

How'd you do Are you as angry as I am No Or are you like it happened Um, did you, Everill? How'd you do? Statements? Uh. Are you as angry as I am? No. Or are you like, it was, it happened. It happened. I was there. We were there.

We were together. We did it. We did it. We ate dumplings beforehand. And we looked at sad fish. And we did. And lobsters. We looked at some sad crabs, you know, Chinese food. These were real things that happened to us yesterday.

I got pulled over by the cops. I didn't. It's all Civil War. Jackson loves milkshakes. I drank a lot of milk. As is Jack is wont to do. And much like Civil War, we couldn't quite agree. So I'm going to go home and I'm going to leave you this note.

Guys, it's been real. I'm so tired. Let me sleep. Let me die. If you need to record another plumbing just give me a call i'll probably get back to you and on that note now and on that note i've been joel i've been jackson and i've been also joel and i've been tessa thank you so much for joining us on our rambly talk about age of no civil war sleepy talk about Iron Man 5

civil war captain the freight cars homecoming hashtag let me die hashtag

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