Plumbing the Death Star - What Modern Day Information Could You Take Into the Past to Exploit for Personal Profit or Financial Gain? with Grin and Dandy

Episode Date: March 22, 2026

We’re Duscher-less this week but we’re joined by George and Demi from Grin and Dandy to help answer another incredible pop culture question. This time we’re going back in time with only the information contained within our rotten brains to try and exploit those past-os for personal profit or financial gain. The only problem is we aren’t clever nor do we retain information well. Zammit tries a harebrained scheme to invent the wheel but gets too caught up in coconuts and doesn’t fundamentally understand how wheels work, Jackson wants to domesticate dogs early and wants to immediately break the rules and bring back a dog, George has a brilliant idea to make a cult and Demi wants to bring back an ear worm which made Zammit think of that horrible film he hates Yesterday so changes his answer to ensuring that he Yesterdays Yesterday.If you’re in Melbourne for the Melbourne International Film Festival, be sure to check out Grin and Dandy! Check out their website https://grinanddandy.com or follow them on instagram.com/grinanddandy xx o.Links to everything at https://linktr.ee/plumbingthedeathstar including our terrible merch, social media garbage and where to become a subscriber to Bad Brain Boys+ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What's up gamers and fans of podcasts in general. Are you a gamer and a fan of a podcast and maybe in Sydney in April? That was my practice one. I'm good to go. It was really good. I don't think you need to practice anymore. What's up gamers and fans of other podcasts that aren't necessarily video game-based. Did you know that Thumbcrams is heading to Sydney in April?

That's right. Thumbcrams and Friends present Sydney April on April 16 at 7.30 p.m. At where? What? The factory theater. I don't know. Don't look at us. We don't know.

You tell me where we're performing. We're performing it in the factory floor, which is one of the rooms in the wonderful factory theater. And when? I don't know that either. I said just before. Well, remind, he wasn't listening. listening. I don't know what's going on. I'm very scared. And it's on April 16.

Thursday, April 16, at 7.30 p.m. respectable time for a weeknight. Yeah. Yeah. And Thumb cramps obviously is hosted by me and Jackson. But you might have heard when I said thumb cramps and friends present things in April and you're probably sitting there being like, who they're friends. I'd love to buy a ticket to this

podcast, but I need to know who their friends are. Great news. It's Joel Zamette. Hello, I'm right here. You probably heard my voice from before when I said, what? What's going on? You can expect some of that, but you You can also expect that from Andrew Levens. He's not in this studio currently. We can't throw to him.

He'll be there. Steph Panicassio. Also not in this studio. But you can imagine what you might say. Chloe Appleby. Same thing. Bet she'd have a good joke right about now. Ruby Inners.

I bet she'd say something mean to me. Those are the friends, but whose thumb creams? Well, it's Joel Dusha. Hey! It's me. Back to bye. And Jackson Bailey. I'm saying Zammett Bailey

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Look down I guess Grab your phone and be like Look down but not too down because that's how you'll find the floor. This is Thumbcrams' first time doing a show outside of Melbourne and technically London. Yeah. So don't forget to come.

And I'll see you there, gamers. Don't you dare forget to come to our show. Don't you forget to come. It's such a funny call-out. Hey, everybody and welcome to this week's episode of Plumming the Dat Star. What's Plummy the Dat Star? You want to know? Why, it's a comedy pop culture podcast. Well, we ask the important questions, but before we get to the important question,

you know what? I see why, I mean, I was going to say I see why this is hard because Dusha messes it up all the time, but he's actually been doing it for like 600 plus episodes. He actually doesn't have an excuse. I've only done it like 10 times. Anyway, I'm Jackson Bailey. I'm Joel Dammit.

Because Dush's away, presumably dead or missing. We'll figure that out later. We're joined by some very special guests. Please introduce yourselves. Yeah, we've forgotten your names apparently. Oh, I'm hosting it, dude. You're killing it, dude. You're doing great.

The hat just makes it perfect. It does, wow. Well, I'm George Demerrellis. I'm Demi Ureki. Yeah. And like I said, Pompey the Nathsir's out. Thank you for coming on the show. God, he's so rude.

Maybe you should be a... You're going to swap. You're serving us. You take the dance. Go on. It's worth it. This is thrilling. Does it require a different seating position?

For this, I don't, for is this symbolic? It requires a different seating position, joy. Well, the whole room just changed. I know. I know. You've been on coming to after a couple of times. Yeah, yeah. But it requires a different seating position.

I didn't realize this. Because you've got no extra power there. No. No. You don't think you do. Yeah. Look at how. And you do feel a little bit more powerful.

I get my JD sits here often. Yeah, exactly. It feels good, dude. I feel like I can stretch my neck out. It's true. You're being this flat trap. You're protected. Look, anyone walking would definitely say that you're the one, like, administratively in charge.

Exactly. Exactly. So, hey everybody and welcome this week's episode of Plumbing's Death Star. I'm Joel. I'm Jackson. And unfortunately, Joel Doucher isn't available today to record with us because he is dead, presumed missing maybe. So instead we're joined by the lovely Demi and George. Welcome, thank you for coming on.

Say hello and choose yourselves. Hello. Hey. He did do a better job. He did. Look, it was not bad. Could you rate them both out of 10? I mean, there was more humanity in the, you know,

that's what I like to hear. It was more tactile, you know what I mean? Wait, in whose. In mine or his? In whose, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. We know whose, come on. God damn it.

Yours was, Jack, look, yours was more honest. Thank you. I try and be off the cuff, clearly. In everything I do, I try and be honest. Yeah, I don't feel it. Yeah, fun of the last time is a pop culture, comedy podcast. Where we ask the important questions like, now, Jack, what was the question?

Now, this was I left to you? You're going to swap back. It's a good idea. We'll swap back so I can ask the question. You're going to swap back. This is the craziest start. Fantastic. I love seeing this.

I left my drink. It's been a while since I did pumping test. Thank you. It's only gotten better. That's what the listeners are saying. So today's question comes just from the Discord. If you want to sort of suggest a question, that we might do on an episode of Plummey the Dutstar,

if you're a subscriber to the Bad Brain Boys, you gain that power. We have a whole channel in the Discord, which you gain access to if you subscribe, where you can suggest a topic. Now, some of them we look at and we go, what the hell? I'm not saying that, but some of them are good.

This isn't a topic, this is just a threat. These people have a fricka listen to this podcast. This question comes to us from Fatali Kung, and they say, well, they ask, I guess. They ask, exactly. And now we are asking. They say to me to ask, and I ask to you the people in this room. What modern day information could you take into the past to exploit for personal profit or financial gain?

Because it was roughly it, right? Yeah. All right. I like that. Now the intro song plays. Yeah. Now plays. You'd think we hadn't been doing this for 600 years or whatever.

It's beautiful. So what? modern day or knowledge that we currently have It's a classic time travel question Yeah exactly If you were to travel into the past You can't bring a thing You can't bring a thing

But you've got knowledge in your head Exactly What could you go into the past For personal profit or financial game So you could just do this for a bit of fun But if you want to make some more That's an option as well I really don't know shit about fuck

So I'm trying to like Rack my own brain To be like what Given nothing, just like literally just myself in a room, like a blank room, nothing that is. Like, what could I feasibly make from scratch? A wheel. The concept of a wheel. I'm going real far back. But they're taking a point. We can pick any point. No one said what. We just said kind of nervulously the past.

Okay. Any point is fine. Right. Okay, right. So the wheel. That's open up a few options. We need time with money. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. How we, yeah, so with the wheel, is that for profit or, like, personal game? Or social game.

Yeah. I feel like, you can't go back and be like, okay, hey, the cube's great fellas. Yeah. But check this out. $10. Yeah. And is you doing to just pick up the ladies. He's got the wheels.

Yeah, that's what I'm imagining I'll be doing it for the caveman babes. Nice. You can roll up, and no one's going to roll up before. Oh, my God. That's true. Because I feel there's going to be. Just pushing a diet disc. It's pushing a leg.

I feel there's going to be like a lot of bit of trial and error. Yeah. Because I'm going to go back in time and I'm going to be like, hey, I've made the, okay, okay, get gone further back. Yeah, you've got to find the time. Pre-wheel, that's true. And I don't, at what point do you think we made wheel and at how much of like humanity do they look like us? I believe we were like homo sapiens by the time we developed wheel.

Monkey don't make wheel? I don't think you're going back to Monkey. No, not Monkey, no. And also, I mean, why don't monkey make wheel? Like coconut roll? The best monkeys got his stick, dude. Yeah. To this day.

Did you see that, there was real-life cow tools recently? Yeah. Oh, wait, oh, I did see this. A dog had developed a tool. Huh? What is it? Yeah. It's a backscratcher.

Did you? Oh, yeah. A screcher. Cows have developed a bladed one. Yeah, yeah. They skipped a couple of years. I'm ready. I always felt that when I saw them in person. Yeah.

That's next. It was coming. I thought for a second, you said horse. We've been always in horses You're like, Cow's domesticated Not horse in the top of us Because I've been thinking about horses

This whole time That's crazy My brain must be subliminally emitting horse Well in a way That's great I've been thinking horse Well with the wheel Like we would have had a horse

Before we had a wheel Very true No No, I don't know Because we have horse And then you go I got an attach thing to horse cart Yeah

But then cars just dragging On the ground We would have had a hand cards No we probably We went sleigh. Yeah. Slay. Then, because the sleighs or a sled.

Sled, whatever. Slay. Yeah. We were slaying before we had the sleigh. And then you have wheel. Yeah. Because, you know, sleigh is like, that's, to me, if I'm making cart, sleigh is my first thought.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, it'll just drag along the ground. I think a horse would be harder to domesticate than making wheel. You reckon? Yeah. I don't know. I see a coconut.

I see it roll. Horse is a bagging for a domestication. Yeah, yeah. They're designed for guys to ride it. Yeah, exactly. They got that back. Begging for it. Yeah.

You know. Spokes are so. I know. You had to figure that out. Spokes, yeah. Yeah, that's what about that. Shassy. Oh, yeah.

That's complicated. That's a basic round shape. It's a round shape. Spokless wheel. Yeah. I really like in this episode. I hope it keeps up that none of us ever look up at what point anything was developed. I don't want to know.

That's not what I'm interested in. Oh, yeah. So, okay. Imagine going back to it's like, like, oh, yeah, what time period? Like the 1400s? What? Cars! Go back to like the 40s?

Did we have the wheel then? I didn't do any research before I went. It was so easy. The guy there with a time travel machine, he's like, do you want to check? It's like, nah. You said me back. Go back, yeah, 1960s.

You're like a bunch of scientists have gathered you up. Future man. You're like, I came back to tell you about the wheel, but you know about the wheel. I can see by your car, what day is it? 1972. Fuck.

Damn it. Do you know how to get back? Do you know where my time machine is? Do you know where your time machine is? No. No, no. I left it on the bus. So, okay, so you're going back, right?

To caveman times, presumably pre-wheel. Bunch of cavemen. Say we're a bunch of cavemen. We're sitting around. We've just figured out cooking. We're pretty excited about that. We chuck of meat and coals and stuff. We're jazz.

You come to us. How are you going to explain to us the wheel? I think I need to, before I have to either, yeah, I have to roll up, really. Yeah. I think a hand cart is going to be, like, something as simple as a hand card. I feel with enough, like, I reckon I could do that. But okay. You can make a hand card?

Yeah. Have you gone back? You got no tools. You got nothing. It's just like we said to the top. You're in the jungle. Yeah. You're on like, yeah, like some antediluvian plane.

Yeah. I'm thinking I could get like a, I think what I need to do is a chisel. If I could chisel up like something around, I'm more good. And it's really good to imagine us as caveman, like, we're like looking over like a plane. We see a lightning strike you're standing there and you're like,

mm-hmm, go get a wrong. It's like I do it. I really need tools to make tools. What is that you do it over there? Yeah, how does one, without any tool, make a wheel? Because ideally you want to show and not tell. Yeah.

Because one, I can't, they can't speak my language. I can't speak their language. That's what we're saying to it. I look weak. And maybe like prey. Yeah. There's a really high risk we eat.

Yeah. Yeah. That's true. It's true. Yeah. Well, I mean, presumably, if you can get two rocks, yeah. You can make a wheel.

Yeah. You got two rocks. You got a wheel. That's what I was thinking. I get two rocks. I could kind of mash them together. It's really funny to imagine you being like. It's the ball bearing.

Gather around. The ball bearing before the wheel. Yeah. I mean, I guess if you came. up to us and you just started smashing rocks together. That would probably be up our alley. I like this game. I'm especially in coconuts because I really feel they're integral

to my plan. So I can go somewhere where there's a coconut. I think seeing a coconut roll, it's pretty easy to then be like, and then we'll. Say you've gone back to some tropical place in the past. We're a bunch of cavemen we're on a beach instead. Coconut tree right by you. What are you doing? Talk me through it. I think I need like

the coconut. Okay. I think I need like the coconut. And then I need like some sort of like a bit of wood. Okay. So then I can like put the coconut in the wood and then roll it back and forth and be like, ah, ah. Yeah, man, it's a coconut. Yeah. And then I put maybe like a little bit, because we've got meat.

Yeah. A bit of meat on that stick and roll it and then go, like a gesture for bigger. Why would I think you were saying to me? Because now you'd make this point. Bigger, put meat in transport. Hey. So, so. So we got meat right here.

Yeah, dude, we're cooking the meat. Have you seen these oceans? They're full of fish. Yeah, I know. Prads and stuff. I don't understand. You are like put a coconut on meat. Like when you put, you know, you get from the ocean, you put the, into where we're

where fire is. Fire, not just on ocean. Got to take fish to fire. I would think, wait, so when you're in your demonstration, you've got a flat piece of wood. Yeah. And you've got a coconut inside the flat piece. So it's balancing and then rocking it back and forth with the meat. I think we're going to take a step back here and be like, what do you think the

wheels for transport. Again, this could be like you're set. Then it's like, you know, from that, you go, okay, then you have like, you know, the two coconuts and it's like, oh, it moves along. Then we try and lash the, you know,

where are these guys gone? I don't know. Yeah, we don't need to move. We don't need to, where you go. Where you do the fire pit? Yeah, to the fire pit that we have on the open water. So you keep fishing and then you put the fish in like on the flat piece, a bit of wood.

Right. And then you wheel it to the fire. Oh, save back. I think we'd see you doing that, and we'd be like, and then one of us just walk into the sea, get a fish, walk it up to the fire, be like, it's fine. We don't need whatever this is, man. It's taking much longer.

Seems like a lot of hassle and a waste of coconuts, frankly. This guy doesn't know what to do with coconut. No, he doesn't. Crack over the coconut. Yeah, it's actually food. I don't know if that one's told you that, dude. You could crack open and then you could use like, yeah, both of the shells. That's, they easy for wheel.

But I do feel if it's just, yeah, here's a question. No making fun. Okay. Now, societies, like prehistory, I guess it's hard to even, like, you know, maybe, hey, there's no way of verifying this. Maybe we don't know. Right? Sure, there's no way of verifying this. Sure.

Sure. Yeah, it's true. Now, societies, I guess, all these communities or these, like, that say evolved or grew up, I guess is the word I'm going to use, which is very wrong around a coconut. They have developed wheel earlier than those who had no access or their coconut surprise were minimal apportioned. Roundness. Yeah, roundness was the issue. Roundness.

If you see roundness, do you understand what roundness can do for you? Yeah, like, can you see a coconut rolling? Yeah. Well, that's the whole thing. That's coconut roll. Maybe then, oh, I can get things to make it keep rolling. Is that I mean, this would be my question. Yes.

Do you think... George is attacking it? the set. Do you think coconuts are the only round thing? Do you not think an orange or like a plum or like... Well, I just feel... To be fair, those are soft. Yeah, okay.

It is the only hard round. And also... This is hard and round. I don't know what a proto-orring. It is a ball-bearing. Yeah, that's true. I don't know what a proto-orange or a proto-plum will look like. Granted, I actually don't know what a proto-coco- would look like either.

Coconut seem unchanged. Actually, eggs. We have eggs. Chicken's eggs, yeah. Yeah, we don't really round, though. That's a roll. I don't think we baste the wheel off an egg.

No, every car would be like up and down. You'd be better. Not even watching this with know exactly the movement you're making. Anyone can picture what a cart with eggs as wheels would do. And how you'd go up and down with it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what you do.

It's really beautiful. Yeah. Well, I'm imagining with a car with eggs as wheels, you just take one drive and then all four cracks. And you go, we gotta figure something else out. This is getting me nowhere. Yeah, we shouldn't have, like, done a one-to-one. We should have, like, really taken the idea.

No need for a yolk. Really? That's unnecessary. And, like, we have to use up a lot of eggs to get, like, a proportional amount of yolk and white. Yeah. I don't know why we did this. You need a mold to keep the yolk from the white.

Yeah, exactly. This is a lot of affidavit. For a car that breaks down every single rotation of the egg wheel. The amount of technology just to make this is already far advance beyond the wheel. And I want to make it explicit, this is not an art piece. This was a legitimate attempt at making a vehicle move, okay? Let me make that clear. I mean, they do roll. That's true. That's true. And you can't crush them from a certain point as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they're tough. Although then you just move slightly and then they're fucked. And then it's

over. Yeah. Like me. It seems like a lot of, yeah, fair enough. There's one direction. There's one direction. And the other is terrible. And the other is terrible. Exactly. Achilles is actually egg. Yeah. That's awesome. Why is that, are eggs like that so that when they come out of the chicken and they hit the ground, they're just, they're fine? Presumably.

That seems like quite a gamble. Yeah. From the chickens. Well, what else could it be? I don't know. Defense from, for like, what, against snake? Again, where do you think these chickens are sitting when they lay their eggs? Real high.

Real high. On a cliff. You've seen a chicken's legs. Yeah. The chickens have their ass pointed towards the crag. See. Back, let's watch you. That's why the eggs float.

I wouldn't say. Where are chickens? Yeah, just with a view. Yeah. That would be a nice place to lay eggs. You've got to lay an egg. The Scottish share clips would be pretty good. That would be quite nice.

The back pipes are placed. Yeah. Oh, that would be kind of beautiful. And they're lining up. Oh, my God. That's true. It's kind of a second step to the eggling process. Now I go like, oh, later, that must feel great. Yeah.

And then it's like, well, I've got to roost and protect these eggs. Yeah. And then I'm like, well, I can't do anything. I'm protecting the air. Get off my back. Leave me alone. That's a roosting. Yeah.

See? It's true. It's pretty easy. You just solved existential. Exactly. I'm here to roost and be afraid of the big bird. Yeah. Yeah.

I was thinking if I was going to go back into the past, the thing that I could do, because I don't know if your wheel plan really worked. No, look, there's a lot of holes in it. I think you went back. I think your insistence that the coconut is instrumental to development of the wheel. Well, what would be instrumental? No one's telling me otherwise.

I think it's just so many things that roll. You know, you go, well, like a rock rolls down a hill. And you go, how can I... Rocks! Yeah. I forgot about the humble rock. Even, like, getting... Like, if you went back, if you had to go back in time to describe the wheel,

I feel this is how I do it. You go back, you get, like, a bit of bark. You roughly cut out a circle in the bark. Then you cut out a smaller circle. You do that twice. Stick in between. And then you push the stick and the wheels move. I feel like that explains the wheel better than rolling a coconut on a bit of meat or whatever you were doing.

Whatever is. A bit of meat on the top is really difficult. It didn't help that. That was trying to be like, what's the actual applications for this? Yeah. Yeah. I don't, what do you do? I don't understand the wheel and you're already trying to help with the implications of the wheel.

When do we get the money? Yeah, exactly. And what's your ultimate goal? I was hopefully to be like a shaman assistant. Yeah. I didn't really want to be like an actual shaman. I just wanted maybe like they're, they're lackey. So I could get some of the drugs and some of the women and men, but not the responsibility.

Eat those primordial. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I was thinking I'd go back in time pre-the-domestication of the dog. And then I just goes, see that wolf? You feed that wolf. He'll become like your best friend. You've got really far back with your options. Well, that's because I'm like, I don't...

It's a lot of year-in-round. Yeah, exactly. I don't know how anything works. Okay, most technology is like basically magic to me. Yeah. But I could, I know we domesticated dogs and we did it by giving them a little bit of meat. So I could go back to some caveman and be like, I know you want to eat the whole fucking buffalo,

but if you give the dog this wolf over there, just a little bit. and he become our best friend. Obviously, it's not going to work out for you straight away, okay? Because you're going to probably be, this is something you're doing for future generations. So what's the personal benefit then? This is a... Well, I'm a time traveler. Well, exactly, that too.

I get one of the better dogs, one of the ugly dogs. Whoa! Yeah, exactly. Just on the cusp when the wolf becomes a dog, I get that dog. Take it to a dog show in the present. Make that big dog show funny. You're going to go, you're back again. You're the first wolf.

This is the most wasteful ability to travel back and fall through time. Well, like, look, if man... Fuck the shelter. Yeah, exactly. What's the nasty ape mandrel? Yeah. Yeah. They're the ones that are domesticating dogs.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if a mandrel can do it, why can't wait? Exactly. And because I can time travel. So I go to, I go to Ugg, right? And I go, hey, ugh, give that wolf over there a little bit of, your food and just keep that up and I'm going to be back you know in 200 years.

I come back and I see if they've been doing it you know because I don't have to wait the whole time and then I I see how domesticated is it? It's getting there. Go back to present 200 years in the future and then finally I can find that perfect point where wolf becomes dog get to bring them back breed them makes money make some dogs yeah exactly I think that's just it's in it wouldn't that dog Like that cusp. Wouldn't that still be somewhat more wolf than the current dogs that there we have? So therefore be more prone to like some of the negative traits that we don't want. Vicious attacks.

Yes. Yes. And I got to really gauge like, because the chance of me going back in time and being like, how's the, and just getting mauled really hard. Also we still go all wolves. That is true. I don't know what's going on there. So you go back in time and kill all the wolves. Yes. And then you bring forward the two dogs.

Could I go back in time? This is not the initial pitch, but I go back in time with a dog. Ah. And I go. Oh, yeah. You sound disappointed. And a leash. Now we're really opening things up.

We can go back with dogs. Yeah. That sounds money. Yeah. Dogs is money? Yeah, we can. All right. In a way, dogs are money.

Well, what kind of dog? Well, I get to pick a dog that's not going to freak a caveman out. Oh, okay. Because you could go back in time a bit, like, not caveman era, but like, you know, we got a better hunting dog. and give it to someone to be like, this is a good hunting dog. That's true, bringing back a basset hound or something. Already bred. Yeah, exactly.

Before they breed. Maybe you can stop breeding. Whoa. At the source. No, all the dogs would be happy forever. Yeah. Well, that's true. No, I think what we're doing here, unfortunately, is we're going the other way.

Yeah. Is we're going the other way. Okay, no, fair enough. I can fix this. What's an animal you hate? Oh. I want to say a capy barra. That's fine.

To be controversial. Why do you hate that? I just want to be a shitsterer. I don't have any animal, so I want to pick the most scariest one to say. Say the one that just feels everyone with some gasping, some confusion. I hate nothing, so I'm going to hate the worst one to hate. Cappiobar. Yeah.

Yeah. You're mad. Fair enough. Well, then what if I went back in time and I domesticated the capy barra? Well, that's money. Well, yeah, that's money. That's money. And then in the present, the capy barra has taken the place.

of the dog, wolves left alone. Yeah. Dogs left alone and we got like long capybarras and you're like little fat fucked up. Tiny head, gigantic ones. Exactly. Their hips are fucked. Sounds good. Yeah.

This is what you want. This is the world you've chosen. I'm glad I hate capybarras actually. You all said why. What do you hate most about the capybara? Hmm, this is hard. Fucking my controversy brain. Is it their big rat?

I think it's because they're caring. I hate that they care They care They care They care For little babies What? Like human babies?

You put like a capybara That's pretty cool That's pretty cool You put a capy barra Next to little babies of other animals The capybara will Take care of the other babies No matter what the species is

And I hate that Yeah Yeah Yeah You'll just suffer for that Yeah That's right You care for the puppies

Get you Anyone who loves puppies You're next. What about that video I've seen of a cabibarer where it's like a crocodile is attacking. I believe it's like a gazelle in the foreground of a picture. And in the background, there's just a cabibara being like, it's not my problem. That doesn't seem very caring to me. Yeah, that's true.

That seems like he's like, I'm looked the other way. I didn't see anything. I didn't see shit. That's, that's a cabaret. They chill. You do you. I'm not going to get into it. Yeah.

That's not. There was no baby animals involved in that. That's a good point. These are grown adults fighting. and they've got to own it. They never hear their attachment stuff. Exactly. They've made their decisions.

Yeah, that's true. I like this. Rather than doing something we've already done or fucking up a Capabara for no good reason other than the game, he just hates them with like the fiery passion. I've always thought this in a weird way. Not about the Capabaris.

But like, when we sort of, I guess, you know, colonised Australia? Yeah. And then we're like, you know what I miss? rabbits and then dogs and cats and all that kind of stuff and just really ruined our ecosystem. So badly. I kind of wish that we'd been like,

hey, why don't we just domesticate, like, hey, we don't need dog, we got dingo. Yeah. We don't need, you know, we don't need a pot. Okay, we got possums. We don't need, like, a cat. We got possums. Like, wrinkail and the brus cats and the possum.

The one of us, same thing. In a way, they climbed. Yeah. Well, isn't, I remember reading an article about 15 years ago where they were like, the cuscusus, you know, the animal, not the grain. No. You don't know the cus-cus?

What's the goose-cuse? Is it a bird? Cus-cuss. I don't know. The thing is, I always say cuss-cuss. When I mean the grain, and then people say, no, it's cuss-cus. I'll find this creature for you. Are you thought you not thinking of Kiena?

No, I'm not thinking of Kienwa. It's a bird, isn't it? No, it's not a bird. I'm wrong. He's a little guy. He's like the whole possum motherfucker. Is that in Australia? Yeah.

He's kind of horrible in a way. I'm thinking of a toucan. Whoopsie But I was reading Somewhere that They were Like they had some of the markers That were appropriate

For domestication And we could have domesticated We could have had that Instead of cats or dogs Because we just had fucked up Possom creatures crawling around That would have been sick

I think they would be cool as fuck So how does How does one domesticate a thing Wow Love Love is a tool Yeah Love as a tool

Yes But is love It's not all you need You need other things, right? It's not a panacea. Yeah, unfortunately. The Beatles were very wrong. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, isn't it, I'm given to believe, okay? No making fun. No making fun. No one has the answer here. I'm like to believe some animals are better for domestication than others. Like they go, we can't ever domesticate a tiger. It's not going to happen.

But a fox, we can domesticate that guy. Yeah. According to some guys in possibly Russia, yes. I think they're domesticated gray foxes. I don't know. The whole domestication thing is not, it's like it's a full on at a genetic level. Yeah. It's like it kind of like fucks them up so then they remain more of an adolescent.

Yeah, okay. I don't know if that's fucking him up or man. I mean, yeah. You know what a lot? Yeah. You have a good time? Yeah. The golden years.

The golden years. Yeah. Yeah. He's going to be 15 for ages. He still war worked and backed it and heard. He was doing real good on the football team. Anything was possible. God damn.

Oh no. Oh no. Oh no. What a done. Dark turn. This is taken. Oh, my. What do you mean?

Nothing but unrealized potential. Exactly. Somebody says... You love that. I love that. You could be anything. Prime Minister one day. You could be an astronaut and you go, I could.

Yeah, I could. Yeah. Somebody says that to me now. Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah. I can't be an astronaut. They'd kill me. I'd just use are behind me.

So what is that? Absolutely the best years are behind me. No doubt. It's only downhill. I think it's like 10 years ago, guys. It's not even like just starting the downhill. It's well-pressed. I am rolling and gathering momentum as we speak.

Okay? You see, that's what I mean? It's what's domestication? It's hope. That's true. That is nice. On a genetic level. How do we, yeah, why can't we domesticate certain things?

And why are more things being like, you know what? Domestication? Hell yeah. I'm all for it. I don't know, because it's also stuff like, I was thinking this about pigeons the other day. And I was like, it's really cool that pigeons, or not even just pigeons, like ducks did it too, were just like, you know what, I'm adapting to humanity. Some animals are like, oh, I don't know what the fuck's going on. No, but the duck is like, okay, these motherfuckers are going to be proud.

I'll figure it out. Same with the ibis, right? Yeah, exactly. I always think about the beautiful bean chicken. Yeah. Used to hate them. Now I'm nothing but love for them. Like, you know, we fucked up their like, you know, swamp lands and all that kind of stuff that they were having.

And they're like, you know what I like? A bin. You don't know way good stuff. People talk a lot of shit that, you know, every other of those wetland birds, they were like, oh, concrete, blue. The I was like, what's a problem, dude? Yeah. Yeah.

What's, what's issue? You've seen the dump stuff? Yeah. Fuck. There's still food, idiots. It's like fishing, but better. But yeah, but the question with the ibis, is that guy domesticated?

No. No. No. Okay. Okay. I don't think so. I just. No, Ivis will do what you ask.

I tried. They are unreasonable, too knowledgeable, too fierce. Too wise. The Ivis is far too wise. Actually, maybe you're actually when I've come around, maybe. What do you mean by domestication, though? Great question. If you're like, the ibis won't do what you tell me to do, right?

But then it's a word? Yeah, but then it's like, yeah, but some dogs won't do what I tell them to do. The definition of it, you know? Yeah. Which is? I'm no dictionary. Okay, look, I might have a little bit of facts about this. I'm ready. Yay.

I want to learn. Let's do it. But this is based on a book that has since been slightly discredited. But still, okay. All right. So, domestication is really hard, surprisingly rare. And that's why it never happens, apart from like six animals. And that's it.

Nothing else because what you need to domesticate. Can we guess the animals? Yes. You know what? Let's go. If you try to think of, I think there's five animals, I'm not going to include... You said six. I said six.

Let's go six. Okay. Cat dog. Cat dog, obviously. A rabbit. Yeah, rabbit. Rabbit, surely. Rabbit?

I don't know about rabbit. Not rabbit? I don't want to say rabbit. People have rabbits. My mom used to sew with their pet rabbit. If you're telling me a rabbit is not a wild animal that you just got locked up somewhere. That's like... Wow, that story about Minty got real dark.

That's real sad. I'll have to tell my mom, she'll be so sad. You both basically, you're holding that rabbit prison. You thought it was cute, sewing next to you, doing little poops. Yeah. No. Like, it's like saying any animal that's in a zoo is domesticated. Okay, what about horse?

Horse, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Obviously domesticated. Why is the horse domesticated, but a rabbit's nut? Because the horse will respond to you and it will come back and hang out. So by that, chicken? Chicken? Is chicken?

Because can I tell a chicken to, like, come over here and it'll come over here? They're too stupid, no. I mean, my dad had chickens and they obeyed him, but I believe they also wanted to have sex with him. So I don't know what was going on there. Sounds like past life shit, if I'm honest. Well, just every time he'd go by the chickens, they'd present. And he was like, stop doing that. Wow.

That's kind of deep. I feel like it's deep. That's tough. He was the alpha chickens. Well, I think that, yeah, they were like, I guess this guy's not as a rooster. See, some kind of fucked up rooster. I don't know. That's what they must have been thinking.

Okay. Dog cat, horse. Yeah. Cow? Yeah. Yeah. How is cow? You can't tell a cow what to do.

A cow. Okay. I'm starting to realize I might have been enough more than I can tree now. Yeah. Because I would argue if cow... But you know what? I'm going to put the caveat right now that I'm not very confident

but I'm going to act very confident. I love it. So cow, yes, domesticated. Cow horse, sheep, yes. Horse, yes. Okay, do you say pig? Pig? Pig?

100%. Oh, yay. Goat? That's kind of a sheep still. But yeah, all right, it's goats as well. Sheep is not a goat. Hold on. Sheep is goat.

Hold on. Sheep is goat. Yeah. Sheep is goat? No. I got to update a lot of things later. I'm with you. She's not goat.

She got up there a lot of things. It's like a sheep. Well, if you're having a lamb dish or you're having a goat dish, you tell me that they're the same thing. Is it? Plus, it's unarguable. Okay.

Goats are clever too. Sheep on clever. Sheep on clever? Goats are clever? Goats are clever. And cots. I like how he's saying that like he's got fully experienced with goats. Oh, goats are smart.

Oh, goats are smart of the sheep, guys. Yeah. I'd stake my fucking life on that, okay? I'm not confident about that. You think a sheep's smart? You're a lunatic. He's right, though. Sheep is stupid.

Sheep are dumb as hell. You put a bunch of sheep in a field, they go, what the hell's going on? The goat's scheming. The goats are making wheels. Goathe going, how can I get out of here, eat their cans and their clothes and make a wheel? Exactly. The sheep goes, I'll eat grass. The goat goes, I'll eat anything.

There's no concept of a black goat. Yeah, exactly. All goats out of the black goat. Yeah. Exactly. The black goat. It's sigma. animals. That's true.

It's the reason for personification of the devil's a goat, not a sheep. Exactly. It's probably the smartest animal on the farm. Aside from the sheep dog. But I guess goats get out all the time. So maybe they're not domesticated if rabbits are not You know? By your own logic, George.

I will. I'm sticking to it. If you're going to put it this way. If you have an enclosure, goats will come back. Is it true? But a rabbit, I don't think it's coming back. The crap's coming back. Yeah. But I was a child.

A chicken's not coming back. A chicken's coming back? Not really. I used to have chickens in my backyard. My parents had and they would let it out every day and it would go Rondo. And then at night it would go back and roost in the same spot. But we had chickens. And one of the chickens, my dad entered this sort of,

my dad and chickens. Different chickens. Different house. We used to have chickens and we had this rooster. And the rooster, I probably told the story before on the podcast, but the rooster wanted to kill my little brother because he was trying to work his way up the family. And so we were like, we need to kill this rooster. And so my dad spent a full like maybe 13, 14 hours chasing the chicken around our house.

And then eventually the chicken would go under the house and dad would get under the house and the chicken would get out from under the house. And eventually it was like the end of like a like a kind of action movie where my dad got the chicken was just too tired of running. And he caught him under the house and the chicken was basically put out his hands like his wrists like you got me, man. Take me away. My dad ran that chicken ragged. But he didn't want to come back. That chicken didn't want to stick around. You know, so...

He has one chicken and you was going to die. Also, that's actually... Are you saying rooster now this whole time? Chicken and rooster's the same thing. Yeah. We also had a rooster. I don't know why we did this to this rooster.

But we killed it and then we were like, let's eat it. A rooster and a chicken are completely different things. Isn't the whole... Isn't the thing a chicken and then like is the male is a rooster? Same species, yes. Rooster and hen, baby. You know what? You're speaking like a real farmer right now.

Yeah. You know what? I actually thought about this before becoming coming on this podcast. You did? Before becoming on this podcast. Wow. Yeah, wow. This isn't plumbing the death starts, irrigating tattooing.

Yeah, yes. With all the farm talk. That's true. This is an episode of irrigating. You're getting tattooing. Welcome to an episode, irrigating tattooing. Because it's all farm talk. Yeah.

And you said I couldn't weave it in. Yeah, but you did. It was a play for it. Before I went to bed, I went, oh, irrigating tattooing. I'm going to bring it up if we talk about farm stuff. Food of gas. You really did. I said to it, oh, yeah, well, I'm sure we won't talk about farm stuff.

What are you going to do? What? What? What? She guided us. Like 90% of the podcast so far. Is a follow-in-law. Can you believe this?

No, I can't believe it. Wow, this is amazing. She didn't even bring it up. I don't even think I did anything. I think it's just coincidence. Yeah, yeah. We've still done out the investigation. Exactly.

We got on the subject. A rooster is a chicken. A rooster is a chicken, yes. Just like a head is a chicken. Yeah. I guess, look. Now who's the idiot? All of us.

Correct. I'm just hoping for it when you're describing a story. Yeah. And you say he was chasing a chicken around when it was a rooster. Yeah. I just feel like what does that change for the visually it's important. I was saying to guy around. And also the way the chase went down I feel is different. Roosters are very different to chickens in terms of I feel that is true. They're more violent. Yeah, they're more violent. Exactly. Oh so now you're on board. We got here a chicken or a rooster to head. Yeah. Yeah. It's true. It paints a different

tail. It's like someone said, oh, I was chasing around a cow and I was chasing around a bull. The running of the bulls and the running of the cows. A very different events. I'm on Georgia's saying. You should have said. You're right. You're right. You're right.

You're right. You're right. You kept saying it. I started with rooster. You started a rooster. Well, because then you knew. You had a foundation of rooster. So I say chicken.

And you go, well, he's referring to the rooster, which is a chicken. True. Which is fruit. About the running of the bull, someone said he died by a cow. I wouldn't imagine, like, Bessie appeared. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Swapped in at the last minute. Yeah, yeah.

I do like about that story is that, like, who dad did what we're designed to do. Like, we, we are, like, very good at just persistently hunted. We are the persistent hunters. This is why we evolved the way we... Exactly. We're not good at shit. We're not good at nothing.

I don't know how to climb a tree. I can't scratch something. We know blades or fangs or whatever. Can I swim? Yeah, but not good. Not well, yeah. Yeah, we can... We're a persistent hunter. My dad did that in, like, a house in suburbia. He's a persistence hunter to rooster. No rules.

And I don't know what happened to it. Because we can get... Well, yeah, but we had another rooster that we killed for some reason. I mean, we didn't kill it, but we brought it to another farm and were like, this rooster's a problem. And then they chopped it up and were like, they gave it back to us to eat. But then the whole family was like kind of too grossed out by it. And so we just didn't eat it.

Which makes me feel bad. Like, we didn't even eat that rooster. Even honor it, yeah. It was kind of gross. I don't know. You know, something about the meat was weird. Well, I wouldn't want to eat a meal from a chef who hates me. So I definitely really wouldn't want to eat the flesh of a.

The creature that hates me. So you guys didn't eat it. Not because of the emotional connection. No, we didn't. Because you were like, this worst a hate it was bad. I thought I thought you would say. You were like, we didn't eat it. I'm not full mystic on this podcast.

Yeah. Well, you know, like sometimes you get like, like sometimes meat. Okay, here's the trick of humanity. Okay. Let me know. Is that becoming? When we. Becoming.

Are there ever going to becoming the dust. Becoming. All right. When you eat meat from the supermarket, okay, you don't like to think about the fact that it came from a real chicken. That's true. That's why when it smells a bit gamie, which is normal for meat, we go, ooh, ooh. Because we're cowards. We're reminded that this is a real animal, okay?

So that's why you get a lovely lump of, like, nebulous chicken breasts. You go, delicious. This is not related to any beast of the farm. The rooster, when we had him in his wrapped up little container, it wasn't a lovely pink, it was a kind of yellow, sort of like gray color. And it didn't smell like nothing. It smelled sort of gamey and disgusting. And I remember my mom got it out, and we were all like,

I don't want to eat this. This is disgusting. Did you freeze it? I think we threw it in the bin. Oh, oh, dear. This is a noble ending for this brown rooster. you could come back. You freeze it out of guilt.

Like, I, we'll eat it later. We'll eat a later. And then, like, Walt Disney and that chicken in the future. To your credit, actually, I believe that it did. Because we, like, got it from the farm that we sent it to. And then we put it in the freezer. And we were like, we'll eat it at some point. So it did actually spend a long time in the freezer.

I knew it. Because how could you throw it away straight away? You'd be like, oh, later. You were like, oh, well, you know what? We'll have that for dinner at some point. And then when we finally did take it out, we were like, this is gross to us. I have another question about the rooster meat.

Please. Now, presumably, we don't, we don't eat rooster meat. Not traditionally. But I think you can. You can, yeah. Again, I don't know a lot about many things. Yeah. So when we're making, like, you know, the chicken breast from the store,

I'm presumably, that's from, like, chickens that have been, you know, bread so that they have voluptuous kitty meat. Yeah. We can then eat. Sure. I'm presuming that, again, they've, kind of more want like hens as opposed to roosters because they're like, oh, if it's a rooster that's going to cause some problems, they might try and fuck down the chickens, and we don't

want that. And so, yeah, do we mostly just eat hen meat and not rooster meat? I believe so. Now, would rooster meat taste differently? And is that what you, kind of like, you know, with, is it pigs? Like how, you know, bore meat, apparently. Real bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I think it's probably that rooster meat, I don't know. In my head, it's gameier or it's like less. Probably. I guess we don't breed the roosters.

But then... I feel like rooster meat is like the goat to lamb. Absolutely. You got richer flavor. Yeah, yeah. Wow. It's a mutton versus... Yeah, yeah.

If I go to boy sheep. Yeah. Yeah. I think I understand. How do you get enough? I believe so. Sorry, George. Oh, goodness.

What would you guys travel back in time? And how would you explore? your knowledge of the price in financial profit or personal gain. Or do you want to just keep yelling? I've got one, but I'll let me go first. We can happily yell about sheep. I'm thinking like maybe this actually applies, this technology applies to anywhere past 100 years ago.

Okay. Whoa. That's huge. And what you want to use is self-help technology. Oh, yeah. Entrepreneur, you know, information technology. I'm going to go back in time. I'm going to build a business.

I'm going to use, you know, how to win friends and influence people. You know, the technology of social interaction from all these books, which I assume works. I haven't actually read them and really applied it myself, but I think it exists. But the thing about, I mean, the thing about self-help books is that all you need is, like, a vulnerable person that doesn't have any confidence.

And they got, and they're swimming was going out like that. Exactly. They are right for the picking back there. Yeah. Yeah. You got to be, all right, step one, you're looking sad. Okay. Yeah.

You go clean your room. And we'll start there. Exactly. You're getting it. Yeah. You reckon you'll like adopt a funny voice? Yeah. Start talking like a term at the frog.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'll definitely have to incorporate some religious stuff in there as well. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, what was Jesus really? Great question. So basically, I'm saying to go back in time and be Jesus is what I'm trying to. I just realize that's what I'm saying.

A lot of money in that. A lot of money. A lot of money. That's money. Not in Christ, maybe. Well, yeah, but that's their, that's their poor Christ. Not our rich Christ. Yeah, well, the other reason Christ didn't make money, he didn't think about that as an option, you know.

In fact, I think he did, but he didn't want, he... Well, that's what I mean. Like, he was like, he said, uh, probably not. Oh, money land is bad. Yeah. But if you went back in time and you're like, I'm legitimately the son of God and he's going to be pissed about this. But if you pay me, you know, $20 or whatever, water in the water in the water. Yeah.

Come on. Is this, is this Mormonism? Is it? It's probably something close to Mormonism. Yeah. Would it be easier, I guess, to start a cult now or to start a cult back then? Back then? Surely back then.

Big time. Back then. In one, we're too connected now. Because now there's this step, right? I go back in time and I say, hey, guess what? Okay, I've been touching meteorites. And they've told me I've got this knowledge, right? One, I am also a reincarnated sort of charm of some kind.

But also I know when the world's going to end, got to come to my compound. You're going to let me sleep with your wives and husbands and you're going to pay me thousands of dollars. Yeah, but there's the step where you've got to go, also throw out your cell phone, okay? A hundred years ago, you didn't have to do that. Yeah. Yeah, stay off social media for a bit.

Yeah, exactly. People go, oh, I want to text. You know, I want to check Facebook. How do you cut off people from their friends and family now versus, like, you know, very years ago. In the Facebook. Well, good point. That's right.

Maybe it's harder back then. Yeah. Because actually, you know what the other thing is, society back then, much less atomized. Yeah. You've got less easy pickings. That's a good point. I imagine everyone with a transatlantic accent.

It's very shrewd. Oh, no, I'm not going to do that. Oh, I got no time for that. I got no time for that, boys. That's true. You never heard anyone with that accent who sounds gullible. That's true. You want to sleep with my wives?

No, they're not going to pay thousands of dollars. I don't believe you touched a single meteorite. It's a shrewd voice. That's a good point. Goddain. You're touching me where you're a meteorite now? Show me the meteorite, you bastard. Then maybe I'll pay you.

money and let you sleep with my wife. Yeah. Give it a go. What do you think I am? You want to get sucked in the mouth? Yeah. Show me some evidence. Yeah.

Fuck. Fuck. We read in this city. I'm fucked. We read. Extra, extra. Yeah. I should not have gone back to 1930s.

Damn. I didn't realize. I don't realize we're looking at this gullible time. The time to start a cult is right now. Yeah. That's true. That's a good point. That's a good point.

We go back to 2024. Yeah. Whoa. There's a bug on me. Awesome. Sorry, go on. Unrelated Yeah, well, could you maybe go back in time to a very simpler time?

Like, speaking of bugs. Yeah. 2019. Oh! Just before a COVID hit. That's a good point. And then that... I touched a meteorite.

I touched it told me. Sure. In six months, it's going to be a global pandemic. So come live in my bunker with me. I was thinking you go and you invest in like BPE. Oh, that's not true. I guess that also works. And they'd be like, I don't know, you know, Zoom.

I guess that's all so smart. But no, fuck it. I touched a couple of meteorites. Touched a couple of meteors. Six months from now, fuck, the world's going to have a big problem. You've got to live in my bunker. Give me your wives and husbands. Pay me thousands of dollars.

And I'll keep you safe from that virus. Exactly. But I think we're not giving enough credit to these cult leaders. Yeah. You know, they're pretty charming. That is true. Well, look, up until the COVID happens. Yeah.

You're going to have to be getting there on charm. That's right. There's like a year to six months for a year. You could do that right now. Again, you can start the cult right now and say this is going to happen in six months, you know? I don't know if I could be bothered. Yeah. It's not a lot of work.

I think the problem. You know, and these susceptible, yeah. These susceptible minds. I think they're going to need a lot of like support. Exactly. People come and they go, what did the meteorite today? And I go, I don't know. They're quiet today.

I don't know. It's actually the same answer to domesticate. It's actually the same answer. That's true. That's true. Maybe there's only one tech for personal gain and money. Domestication? Whoa.

We're just domesticating some cult members. Yeah, yeah. I think the problem with a cult is that like you do need to lead to some kind of climax, you know, and whether that's like a Kool-Aid situation. Like you can't string people along forever. No, you can. You reckon? Yeah. But yeah, you string them along.

I guess you just keep growing and growing and growing. You string them along enough and eventually you die. Yes. And that's it. And now you've become a hubbard situation. And you've become something bigger than you initially claim to be. And also, you got no comeuppance. Yeah, that's true.

Yeah, great. That does sound nice. I wonder if there's like a kind of hack to like running a cult, but you have to do the least amount of work. My first thought is this is I get the beginnings of a cult. Yeah. And then I go, I need to commune. Okay.

And then I go to like a really tall. mountain or like a lightning rod and I get struck by lightning. Okay. Okay. But just enough that it doesn't kill me. How do you work that out? And also, people see you. Everyone's gathered around me. And I get struck by lightning.

I somehow ground my, make sure I'm grounded because I believe that'll help. And I have no pieces. I take my earrings out or whatever. Because I think that's going to be really bad. And then I get struck by lightning. And then everybody's really impressed because they go, oh my God, the cult leader, who I already kind of believe is in some way, you know, sacred or divine, communed with God.

Yeah. And then I just, I don't have to do any. I just, I can, you know, basically act like I'm kind of beyond humanity at that point. Because it's like so obvious what happened. I don't need to do any more of the work convincing people I'm divine. And then I just, you know, fuck around in a tent. Yeah, when did Benjamin Franklin fly that kite? 1600s?

So, God. 1590? Oh, dear. 1110. Yeah, yeah. Electricity, yeah. Yeah, again, that was around back before America was spent.

Yeah, yeah. So, go back to 1110. Electricity, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Columbus, just speeding along those oceans. Look at me out.

You know what? You wouldn't have done anything because it's too fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just jet around. Yeah. It's just a great time. Plucking a hibiscus and things.

moving on from Hawaii. I want to get back in my boat so bad. I don't have time to wall with you people. Yeah. Yeah. Guys, this is so fun, have a ride. I don't want to hurt you now. Forget your land.

Get in my boat. Yeah, the world would be much nicer if everyone was driving speed boats during the age of exploration. It's like, could you, with the knowledge that, you know, rubber, uh, uh, souls that like, you know, to be grounded and all that kind of stuff to basically do what Benjamin Franklin did at a bass, like a vast scale, but rather than doing it for science being like I'm commuting with God. Oh, so you go rubber souls,

electrocute yourself a bunch. And now you're culting yourself. Yes. That's a good point. That's a good point. I think back then, whenever that was, 11, 10, 1600, who is to say when that guy was struck by that? No one knows. No one knows. No one knows. Most mysteries left out of the ages, you know? Was Benjamin Franklin even a real man? We don't even know that. He could be like King Arthur, you know, mythologist.

We don't know. That's fake, Franklin. Yeah, exactly. I hated paying taxes and loved prostitutes, I think. And really tight clothing. Isn't that a thing about Benjamin Franklin? Loved air bulbs. That's awesome. Yeah.

Loved air baths. All right. Nice. If he was real. Yeah, exactly. We don't know. We don't know. Suspect.

You could cult it. You could cult it. That's not a bad move. Cult it, especially with the self-help. You know, you know, what was the management knowledge? You know how structures of things work. Exactly. You're using that, mixed with, yeah, like, you know, striking,

you're electrocating yourself too much. Oh, man. You're going to go, yeah, yeah, so, as you're going to combine, like, what, those Dutch inventions of a corporation and stuff. You're just going back before then, and you're inventing the corporation. Absolutely. And you're making it a religion from the start. Yeah.

Explicitly. You know, instead of being implicit as it is now, you know? The first org chart from you. You bring the org chart. That's what I'm saying. That's cool. Wow. Going back to some medieval king, handing him a pen and being.

like sell me this part and then they just go off with his hat Yeah That is a mage if I ever saw one Yes Kill this wisdom

What do you mean A node What does that mean Yeah I'm tired I love that you're doing An org chart of the courts Yeah

I mean you're gonna be You're flying up the ranks Yeah And they go Who is a jester And you're on the side And you go Oh that can't do

When do they Mackey belly You were to see report to Yeah There's a clear line from him to the king. It's funny they would have to like kind of probably pick a new role for you within the court to be like, like you're this new. Because like who are you to the king? You know, you come in with this way of doing things.

You're a consultant. The consultant. The consultant. Yeah. Consultant to the king. Yeah. Imagine if Shakespeare had that character. Yeah.

Wow. It's fitting strums. King Lear with the consultant. Yeah. The consultant would be a feature. You have a bad guy and some of them. Absolutely. We're acknowledging that.

But yeah. When he's a good guy, it'll feel weird. Yeah. It'll feel complicated. Like, whoa. What is the AGO if not the consultants? Exactly. Oh my gosh.

Exactly. Oh my gosh. But I assume. No, probably. We're talking about the past. We had to mention Shakespeare. Yeah. We have to mention Shakespeare.

Yeah. We could now though. Check. Yeah. We did it. Naked it. Yeah. Irrigating tattooing.

Settage. We had Shakespeare in there. Yeah. Yeah. There you guys. That's what I mean. Yeah, Tammy, what would you do? Okay.

So I thought about this thoughtfully. I realized that a lot of people who invent magical, wonderful things don't get any credit or money or personal gain. That's actually a very good point. So if we're getting, my original thought was like, maybe I'll like get the recipe for cherry cola or a hills hoist or something. But that no one would give me any credit because they'd be like, whatever, lady. And then make it happen and I wouldn't get any money again. And I'd just be all bitter and in the past all bitter. Fair enough.

So I thought, oh, only money, only gain. Can be personal? Yeah, it can be personal. I think I would bring a song back. Oh, okay. You do like a yesterday type situation. I think I think I would bring a song back. What song?

What song and how far? I need to ask some help. Are you inventing jazz in the middle of? That's what I'm kind of getting at. I'm kind of getting at. What song, yeah, and how far back? Yeah. I have my issues with yesterday.

as one of my most hated films Oh, okay Whoa, I haven't actually seen yesterday Oh, that's pretty bad That's pretty funny It's a nice idea Yes Because I think if you brought back

Say jazz to the middle ages They might frighten them That's like quite a lot You gotta think about the music back then If scatting isn't an incantation And you could Kill this agent Crossbole this agent

We have the issue The Consultant and the jazz musician Are we both getting off Exactly. You know. What about like, would you bring, say, baby shark back pre-baby shark? Because, I mean, like, that's a catchy tune. Hang on, don't do it.

Baby shark. This guy's never heard the song. Am I not who is that? Is that it? Baby shark. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. What a moment. You do baby shock.

Baby shock. Baby shock. I'm doing the same fucking thing. You're never going to make it in the dress. in your medieval jazz. That's the same fucking day. No, it's not. Baby shark do, do, do, do, do, do.

No. You're doing it wrong. Now, I don't know how to do anymore either, thanks to this. You do it. No, I can't anymore. I've heard your one. Well, do savage. Baby shock do, do, do, do, do, do.

Baby shock do, do, do. You're adding too many doves. Yeah, there are a discord. And it changes as well, which is unnerving. Baby shock, do, do, do, do. Oh, yeah, there is that. The same fucking amount of dues. You do it.

Well, this is just exposing. The reason why is, uh, I refuse. Yeah. That's why you have the most, my respect. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. I earned it.

Yeah. Exactly. That's a, it's proving a flaw in my plan, though. Yeah. Because the songs get distorted. They get changed. That is true. What's a real earworm?

That's, I couldn't think of a real earworm. I want people to almost make it religious. And then then then I'd live forever. Call me maybe. Call me maybe. Call me maybe. Call me. Maybe Carly Rae Jep's, I have the fringe as well.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe I can sell it. Well, like, what's a call, though? They'll be like, call as you bring to your home. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That seems forward. And when we're never. Call me, maybe.

Because you could do it like, you know, two years before that, you know, song came out. Yeah. Ah, so you're going back, you're just sliding right in there. Yeah. But I have a deep belief that it's random. Yeah, okay. So if I came up with Call Me Maybe, everyone would be like,

that's a lame song. And Carlyere is like, sorry, I don't want to sing that anymore. And then her song guitar string, wedding ring. That's the one that will get more popular, you know. Because I feel like I would alter history. So you have to go back to before anything existed. Yeah, like before pop songs. An undeniable earworm.

Hey Jude. Hey Jude. Singing of yesterday. Yeah. Now would you take. Do they have guitars in the 1600s? You just need a slap. They had something.

Hey Jude. Yeah. It's pretty good actually. It's still slack. Yeah, it does kind of work. It does kind of work. Would you try and change the lyrics so they're a bit more accessible and change hey Jude to, like in yesterday, you know, your recommendation of Hey, dude. Hey, dude.

Is that better? They did that in that movie. Yeah, they did that in that movie. You could say, if you're going back far enough, you can say, hey duke, you know. Oh, hey juke. They didn't have a juke back then. Don't cut my head off. Because he's old child.

What's the special? That's a pretty good plan Yeah It's a pretty good Yeah Like yeah Because if you just sort of vaguely Remember tunes

Yeah And not most of the words You could go back to like When there was dukes The Kings And just be like Oh you know Bullshit about this

But do you believe So somebody came to you today Right Somebody from our future Yeah And they said Hey I got this great idea

For a song A song Let's make it You go How does it And they go I don't know But there's something

And then we Like They don't quite Remember the lyrics All the melody Yeah Everybody's having a good time Are you good

Okay So you want a Johnny Be Good Yeah Yeah exactly Yeah Yeah Yeah You're going back further

It reminds me of this apparent True story About a famous jazz song Called Nature Boy Yeah Where there's a guy Who live behind the Hollywood sign Apparently came up with this song

And they ran down And went to Matt King Cole Like write this song And he was like You're crazy And he's like Oh right it I had an idea

I live behind the Hollywood sign write the song and then they did it as a very famous popular song. It's real. So if that can happen, I need to go to that time. Yeah, absolutely. I need to go around the 40s and that's what I would do. And you did? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You already

did it. Yeah. Yeah. I think if a guy who lived behind the Hollywood sign came to me and was like, you got to write this song. I had to dream about it, whatever. I'd be like, that's the spirit of Hollywood. That's the spirit of Hollywood. You've got to listen to that. Wow. One incredible song.

Nature Boy. I will write that song. sung for you. Yeah. It's a great story. Did he get any cut though? Probably not. Not at all.

They went back behind the Hollywood saying for you, pal. It was the 40s, yeah. Yeah, see, it's like people who invent things. It's personal gain of money. Absolutely not. You know, write on someone else's in invention. That's right. Riding on someone else's invention.

That's the tip to money. Yeah. That is true. Or domestication. Yeah. I feel like domesticating, yeah. I think that's a... Or working at a patent office.

Yeah. And stealing ideas. Yeah. You're not domestic. Einstein's name and you write down Jackson Bailey. And they go, A theory of relativity, explain that. And I go, no.

Am I maybe discerching, speaking of, Einstein's good name. But didn't he work in a batten office? Yes. Wasn't there? I'm like, wait a minute. Did he perhaps do that? The story would have to write the rub off Jackson Bailey's name of Einstein. And then, of course, and no one ever came forward.

So he said to kill that guy as well. Oh, my God. Yeah, it's fucked up. The E stands for Einstein. Yeah. Einstein. E equals M.C. Square is just Einstein.

I am genius, yes. Well, yeah, and I think you're right, because isn't it like something where he sent off, like, the theory of relativity and everyone was like, what the fuck? Like, where did this? I don't know if it's a theory of relativity or like, I think it is a theory of relativity.

He was just like, wait a minute. He's just some fucking guy. That's a trick of Einstein. He was just some fucking loose. Beautiful, though. He's just some dweeat. He loved honey. He loved honey.

He loved honey. He looked at it out because I have this theory like, People with big brains probably love eating sugar. Yeah. Because it makes you an easy source of energy. And then we're like, so let's prove this. I wanted Einstein love to eat. And it came up with honey.

And I was like, vindicated. Whoa, like Winnie the Pooh. Like Winnie the Pooh must be a sleeper genius. Yeah, I reckon. I reckon. Did Einstein also marry his cousin? Who didn't back then? Do you hate Einstein?

I'm studying some real hostility. I know. Yeah, Papa I'm coming for fucking Einstein. Yeah. It didn't do with time travel. Yeah. Because Einstein resulted in yesterday in many ways.

You know what I would do? With his relativity. If that's bad have come up with the theory of relativity, we never have the Beatles. And if we never had the Beatles, we wouldn't have yesterday. That is true. Oh, man.

To be honest, I think if maybe, is it, was it Danny Boyle that did yesterday? Yes. Maybe if he actually had paid attention to this concept of relativity. And maybe if that was incorporated more into the fucking film yesterday. Maybe we wouldn't have got that fucking film. Because there would have

been a lot more involved there. I'm pretty sure when we have like in the same era when we're singing about WAP, I want to hold your fucking hand, is it going to make it dead? I'm just saying, Daddy, fucking pay attention to the era that the music was made. That's the fucking problem.

That's what Demi's saying. Yeah. Sometimes there's a time and a place. Maybe you're actually, maybe you're in the money as what to do when you travel back in time. Obviously, you're right, Demi. Anything we invent we're not going to get credit for. And personally, gain is like very nebulous. So what maybe you want to do is you want to go back

just before a thing you hate was invented and then pitch the idea worse so that when whoever pitches the idea second pitches it, they're like that's stupid. So your personal gain is just taking away. Yeah. You go to a bunch of producers and you go, I got this idea for a movie. Oh fuck you. I'll write a shit yes.

I'll just write yesterday. Yeah. I was right yesterday. You just download the script and go back. Yeah, exactly. Waste no time. And people go, well, this is kind of stupid. I'm like, Daddy Bird pitches it later on and they go, We already get this idea. We were thinking of this as an additive problem.

Exactly. But it was actually a subtractive problem. He could ruin something that was sucked. Yes. Oh, good. I get to live in a world where yesterday doesn't exist. Yeah. Beautiful.

And even if it's the kind of thing, you know, because maybe you have to wreck it a little bit. You go, so this guy, he gets hit by a car and he wakes up and the Beatles never existed, but he remembers all the songs. And they go, that's interesting. And you go, and he also can't stop farting. And they go, what? And you go, that needs to be in. the script. That's fundamental.

If I do that write the script, and then I can like, you know, basically that is mine. So then I can make sure that that doesn't be made into. Because that's floating around and people like, oh, I want to say the rights and I say no. Sorry, pal. No, thank you. No, yesterday for you, Daddy Boyle. Fuck you.

Fuck you, Daddy Boy. You're a piece of shit feel my head. Who is this guy? I can't believe your hatred of this movie means it's defied your entire life. You've memorized it in detail. Oh, yeah. I wasted your one opportunity. Your one-time travel trip.

Wasted. What are you talking about? I will go to bed with the biggest, on my deathbed. I will see the biggest smile knowing what I've saved the world from. That's a beautiful, beautiful use of time. And that's a true personal game. Exactly. I hope that's what you want is Fatali Khan.

Okay. I hope you're satisfied by that answer. And on that note, I've been Jackson Bailey. And I've been Joel Zammett. I've been George. I'm Demi. Demi, George, where can people find you if they want to hear more of you?

Do you have any exciting news that you want to talk about on this damn podcast? Yeah, well, we've got, so we're called grin and dandy. And we do comedy. Yeah, we do nice. Because we do comedy. Wouldn't you actually clarify what we would do? No, we didn't.

Well, I'm sure some of this is no me from previously, but together we do sketch fun comedy stuff. Awesome. It's true. I can believe that. It's true. And we're doing a show for the Comedy Festival. Oh, amazing.

Called Chomsky and Foucault. Whoa. It's about philosophers, but it's just a funny play. It's a funny play about, yeah, Chomsky and Fouca. There's a debate from 19-7. You know what I've seen this? No. Have you spent the last hour of...

Do you think? Remember who you're talking to, man. Mid-century. Mid-century, yeah. If you like that transatlantic accent, you will love this show. Just sketches about the mid-century. Yeah, amazing. Yeah, it's real fun.

1970. It's... 1970, not 1980. Yeah, not that yeah. Can people grab tickets yet? Yeah, it's only one week, so March 30 to April 5th. Where can people go to grab tickets? They go just on the Comedy Festival website.

Grin and Dandy. Or grin and dandy. Stop listening, go to the comedy festival website and do it now. The way I always say, you can do both. We live in a world with all the screens. I would love to see you. But yeah, if you heard the name Jomsky and Fuku and you thought that's funny, then come see you'll really enjoy it.

And if you didn't think that... It's Kamala. They're like, who? What the hell happening? What's that? How's that? How's coming out? Look, we did...

When we first registered the show, then the news came out about Tromsky being in Houston Fas. Does that come up? Yeah. It's changed the tenor a little bit. We have a joke about the CIA. We remember 78 crimes that they did. The CIA did a lot of stuff.

Damn. That is true about the CIA. It's funny. I'm starting to think that on good people Yeah, me too I'm starting to think that as well Yeah Well yeah

And like socials for you guys Is there some people can follow you To see what you're up to? Yeah, so grin and dandy It's a Instagram Yeah, you can follow us individually Yeah individually also George Whatup

Okay, Dammy G Nice But grin and dandy better Because we post on it Oh We have exclusive reels Exclusive reels Of our own

Yeah Delightful Nice Exactly. Kind of like maybe an exclusive reel. Yeah, we did an incredible exclusive. Yeah, and listeners, you won't know this until now. Oh, yeah. We post an exclusive reel or maybe to Instagram at Plumbing Pod,

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Throwing some topence to every now And then Because they amuse him That's how I see the listeners Yeah Yeah You can go to plumbing the death You can go to

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Of old You left his chest a wall. Oh. I'm feeling, seriously, feel this chair. I'm fine. Okay, let's stop it again. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, wow. You switch. I'm doing it. Let's feel it. I'm, yeah. I run hot. Yeah. I run warm.

There is a notable. There's a notable. That's beautiful. It's deep as you sit here. Wow. It's kind of unsettling. Yeah. I run hot.

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You're in Melbourne between March 30 and April 5. And you want to feel alive. And you want to see something. Look, I'm going to put it out there. It's interesting. Not fully. It's funny. It's funny.

It's funny. It's kind of interesting. It's also something fresh. You go there and you're like, this is, this is, oh, I've seen, this is new. If you bring someone you want to impress. This is something you've got to go, you're going to see you like, oh, wow, this is like. How did you find these? But you're going to be like, this is crazy.

This is okay. I think it's conceptually fascinating. So I'm big pitch for it. It's funny. He's really excited about it. It feels very new. Supports two stray cats. Exactly.

Green and Danny. It's interesting. It's interesting. Maybe I should use a better phrase is interesting. It's funny. It's also funny. It's also funny. That's a given.

That's a given. But it's new. Take a punt. You're a cool guy. You've looked at art before. You've been to a guy. If you've ever been to a gallery and you want to get your goddamn life, okay. Get rid of your mind.

If you've ever been to a gallery and been like art, you can do this. Yeah. Yeah. I want you. Yeah. It's going to be something very, very special. Oh, you're so excited. I am too. And we'll see you there.

You fucking batty girl. Yeah. You guys should come. Yeah. Yeah. Hell yes. That's two seats. Exactly.

I'm so excited. What time is it on as well? 7.45. Yeah, so definitely not me and the baby. Yeah, yeah. Why stay at home? Well, maybe she goes ahead and enjoys comedy. Exactly.

She can come down. Okay, now we're talking. You can come too nice. Mutty wear. Yeah, chew dinner and a show. Dinner and show. And you're cooking the dinner? You guys cook for us?

Is that how old? We're straight cows. We have no food, but a mackerel. We're cooking genius over here. He's really proud of it. We're cooking, mind-blowing, shoulder-swishing genius. Okay, George.

Stuff you've never seen before. Turn it back, turn it back. It's weird, but not in a weird way. Turn it back. Okay. Could you trade it to you and me and wife. Okay, okay. Yeah, I'll babysit for you, dude.

That sounds like a blast. I love that guy. I'm getting into eating a lot of leaks. The moment I hit my like 30s, I was like, I guess it's time to eat leaks, you know? It's fun to buy. Yeah, fun to, great, and for flinging around. Like a far-fetched. Yeah.

And they feel really satisfying to chop off. A leak like you get those nice little discs of leak. Yeah, yeah, I know what a leak is. Yeah. A leak, like a little onion. If you saw it. It's like an onion, right? Yeah.

You want to grab your microphone and just move it so it's a bit underneath you so you can see your face. Yeah. There we go. We also discovered. Yeah, exactly. See? Goodbye. Hello.

Look at this. These guys are down and based on the front of the other one. I'm excited because you're in the chair. Let's see if it's the chair or me. without even knowing. That was critical what part? The slouching? See, look at that camera there.

You don't listen. I said, damn, you're on an angle. Oh, I thought you said because you were in, I guess I just wasn't listening. You said something to me and it was like, let's take a staff, okay? Let's take a staff, what do you meant? Am I leading now?

We're not talking about leading. Are you leading what? Am I slouching now? No. Is that what you were saying? Start again. I said, wow, you're like very much on an angle. Oh.

Turn this way. I see. So you end up getting like with a camera, mostly the side of your face. That's what I was saying. I thought. Yeah, I know what you thought. You weren't fucking paying attention. He's right. I don't listen.

I don't listen. Yeah. Is this, am I still audible when I talk with this? Is this too far away? That's fine. That's right. That's the audio is coming up there. Oh.

I love. This is such a good setup. I love it. Yeah, don't worry too much about the levels. We just... I'm the bottom. You know, the other podcasts out there, there you go, Chuck your cans on.

Let's make sure everybody's on the right level. We say, we'll be doing this for 600 plus episodes. We go, fuck it, who cares? And then we also go... Fuck me and fuck your life. And then we like two weeks later, we get to editing. Oh!

There was audio with the fear. If only we paid a 10. If only someone was listening. Someone is someone who's listening during it. That is hilarious, actually. It's a feeling of interference. We went and did another podcast like a week or two weeks ago, and they'd hide out a place.

And that had the full setup and everyone puts their things in. It was very formal. Well, you see, we got the headphones. We can if you why. But, Josh, tell me how we could get the headphones from over there where the mixer is to me. Yeah. I can't figure the cords. You mean that little adapter with the cord?

It's really easy to do. What the fuck? Yeah. What do you do? What language do you speak in, Magic Man? Fing it on my, messing up my hair? No. You're telling you kidding me.

My whole look, dude. Yeah. Just like a guy in a hat. Yeah.