Plumbing the Death Star - What's Wally Hiding From Anyway? with James aka Mr Sunday Movies

Episode Date: October 10, 2021

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Sands Pants Radio, Australia's hottest podcast network. Hey everyone and welcome to this week's episode of Plumbing the Death Star. I'm Joel. I'm Jackson. And today we are joined by special guest, Mr. Sunday Movies himself, James. Hello, thank you for having me. I love Plumbing the Death Star. It's good to be back after seven years of not doing Plumbing the Death Star. Just a little seven year hiatus. That's okay. You have to build up steam. Yeah, build up momentum to come back.

I think it perfectly, like, coincides with, like, the birth of my first child when I just disappeared. My friends are like, we don't see you anymore. It's like, yeah, I know. I don't see anybody. Also, this is an excuse not to hang out with you. Not you, my friends According to your other friends

You have like 10 kids You're like yeah just keep having them It's crazy And today we are asking the important questions Like What's Wally, or i.e. Waldo, okay? Yes. He's got two names already, suspicious.

He's changed his name for an American audience, which I love. That's like if I went to America and I'm like, Jackson, sorry, Jaldo. Sorry, Jackson, that might be a bit hard for you to... Yeah, I'm Jaldo. Jaldo Baldo. So he's already got two names, suspicious. And he loves to hide from us, the viewer.

And who's he hiding from? Why is he hiding? What's he got to hide? James and audience, just before we get into this and it's very important especially on that so james uh i when you agreed to come on the show uh i sent you like a document basically that we have plumbing the death star questions on it and the thing about that document is there is no quality control yeah any of the plumbing the death star boys can actually sit and write whatever they want. Any stupid idle thought

makes its way under. This is the second week in a row where we have had a guest and they have picked Jackson's question, which is usually to the ire of me and Zamit. Jackson's like, yeah, where's Wally? Who's he hiding from? We're like, what are we going to do with that?

These questions that for most of my life are promptly ignored. I just have a true field day on this show where I get to wallow in them. It's great. It's so intriguing because there's a couple of implications. One, that he's hiding. And two, that we're looking for him.

I'm like, I'm not normally looking for this guy. You're making me look for him. You're giving me a job. Open up the book and all of a sudden I have to find him. That's crazy. I am obliged to find this man. It's so funny to read a Where's Wally book by not looking for him. I don't have to.

It's of no concern to me where he is. This dog's trying to catch that bird. Oh, wow. Or whatever happens in those books. This is a lot of people in one crazy setting. Anyway, on to catch that bird. Oh, wow. Or whatever happens in those books. This is a lot of people in one crazy setting. Anyway, on to the next page. There's a guy in there you need to find. I actually don't need to do anything.

Don't tell me what to do. I signed up to this book for entertainment, not for a job. Exactly. I think one thing that's... So there's a lot to this i guess which is baffling to come out of my mouth knowing what we just said before but like we're looking for wally the reader is looking for wally but it's not only wally because it's not just him hiding his band of lovable fellows and friends yep yeah they're also all hiding yeah sometimes it's

sometimes it's like you you've got to find his shoe also. And I'm like, did Wally add that? To be like, yeah, while you're there, just find my shoe, please, because I lost my shoe. It's a smokescreen. He's trying to distract us. What I like as well is that they find his shoe and if I do, I can't tell him. All I can do is be like, there it is!

I hope he finds it. But the obvious answer To hide from would be Oddlaw, like the villain, the bad Wally But he's fucking hiding too Yeah, that's true Hey, what's Oddlaw called when it's Where's Wally, not Where's Waldo

Is he called E-Law? But it's not a reverse of Wally Yeah, I know, I'm pretty sure it's just Oddlaw Let me bring up my files. Hey, Jackson, how much would it fuck with your brain if you find out that the reason they chose Waldo as a rename for WALL-E was because it was odd law backwards? Oh, my.

That would be incredible. Like if it was odd law first. What's awesome about that is that that means that WALL-E is because of odd law and not the vice versa. I think you're going to be like, Jackson, what have you found out that actually it started off as Waldo, but they complicated it for British audiences? Went in the opposite direction.

War! Yeah. Okay. Look. Yeah. I've got some apologies to make, I guess. Oh, my God. Okay.

Because odd law, a.k.a. Yilow, is the main antagonist. No way. Yilow? His name's Yilow? That's incredible. Holy shit. Is that true? Are you lying to us right now?

I wish I was lying. I wish. Yeah, fair enough. I would have made up something more exciting or funny, I guess. That doesn't work at all. No. Oddlaw is work at all. No. Odd law is great to say. Eelow.

It feels terrible. And he's not a backwards man either. It's just like different colours. It's very odd. He's just in black and yellow as opposed to white and red. And then additionally, of course, there's Wag the Dog. Woof the Dog. Woof the Dog. Woof the Dog.

Yep, there's Woof. Woof the Dog is fabulous. There's Wizard Whitebeard. Uh-huh. And Wanda, or Wenda. Yeah. Okay. And some kind of hungry ferret that Oddlaw has as well.

Okay. Or something? Called Fritz. I think that's from the brand new 2019 Where's Wally adventure where Wally is 13 now and Oddlaw is Oddlulu. Oh, okay. Oddlulu is Oddlaw's sister. Oh my God.

And is also called Yolulu in anything where he's called Wally, I guess. You're lying to me right now. I hate all of that. I hate everything you said there. You are lying to me right now, John. But so does that mean that- Yeah. Is there called Wally, I guess. I hate that. I hate all of that. I hate everything you said there. So does that mean that is there another Wally? Is there an older Wally? Is this like a James Bond Jr. situation?

If anybody knows what that is. He's James Bond's nephew. I understand that reference. Good, good. And if that is the case, does that mean that but then if Odd lulu is this waldo's odd law then surely this waldo should be called ooh ludo right i just realized something i think this is why they never found the zodiac killer because this guy's going i don't know maybe he did his name backwards i think if if any of us were in the code cracking or the cipher cracking room and

we were coming up starting any sentence with what do you reckon about this we would be kicked out they're like you can't yeah your ideas cannot be that half-baked it's not backwards it's not back he wouldn't just make it backwards wally's family is mama waldini I hate this. Oh my god. Is Mama Waldini a magician? What's going on? I'm not sure, but the only other relatives that are listed are Wolf, the pet dog, and I don't know why this is a clickable link on the Waldo fandom, but Caveman. What? I mean, he does time travel, doesn't he?

Yeah. Sometimes he's like, I'll but the Sphinx or whatever. Yeah. Someone's chipping off the nose, you know? In many ways, Caveman is all our ancestors. Well, actually, I've clicked on the link. It's Caveman Waldo. Oh, okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I was just looking at other international versions, and the South African version is called Willy. What? They just change it for every, like, in france he's charlie like what what is this it feels weird as well because they're not like changed like what the the classic line we get is that they change it to waldo for american audiences because that was less complicated but why did they make it charlie for france that's just another name. Or Willy for South Africa. Waldo is a man with many identities, clearly, for whatever country he's in.

And I think the most obvious, the most basic place to go for who is Wally running from is the government in a sort of James Bourne-style situation. James Bourne. That famous character, James Bourne. Yeah. Played by Daniel Damon. You're an idiot, Jackson. You're a real fucking idiot.

I thought you did that intentionally. No, no, just stupid. But yeah, a Jason Bourne situation done. Excuse me. Forgive me. So does he remember or is he just running? You know what I mean? Yeah.

Does he get flashes of what he did? Or is he just like, I don't know what's going on. I just keep moving. I just gotta keep running. I hate that I've accidentally made myself the guy in the chair for this episode because every single fucking tab I open on my computer gives me information that I think has given me permanent damage to my mental state. Waldo finds out...

I don't even know how to describe this. Please! I found out that there's an odd law swamp, and that's where odd law was made. And that's where there's a mum... Was made? Yeah, he's got a mum, but also he's from odd law swamp, where it's full of odd laws.

So, like a witch's brew? Is he a homunculus but also like it's not just it's not just humanoid um what waldos odd laws sorry it's like there's like bees and stuff because it's yellow and black it's all just a bunch of stuff that looks like odd law anyway there's a land of waldos which is the same thing yeah but wally's well waldos okay and everybody just looks like that yeah and all the pets and stuff and the location is the leader or is he just one off is he one of many is he an escaped w Wally clone? The location was first featured as the final scene in the Great Waldo Search,

as Waldo's quest to discover the truth about himself led him, there's already so much here, led him to a world where he is just one Waldo among many. Oh, my God. What is that? Into the Waldoverse. No, but this is Jason Bourne. This is like secret program, clothing, shit.

Maybe like the Oddlaw Swamp is where they send the duds. It's like, you know, like that's where the bad Wallys go, to the Oddlaw Swamp, and that's how you get a bunch of Oddlaws. But there's only one. Why are we following only one Oddlaw? When we open a Where's Waldo book, are we taking the role of government agents? And as we point out Wally or Waldo,

a little red dot appears on his head and they take him out. There he is. Is that what's happening? It's like a different guy every page. Yeah. That is fascinating. Oh, my God. Okay.

So theory number one. Jackson, you're going to love this. And fans of movies that were influenced directly by The Matrix but forgotten by time will also love this. Theory number one. That's me. Waldo is living the one situation. Oh, my God. I do love the one.

Yeah, there's a scene in that. And look, Jackson, this has come up before on Plumbing the Death Star. And I think I've tweeted about it. I know it's coming, but I'm excited to sit back and receive vindication. James, you're about to watch a man become very smug. Prepare yourself. This is very exciting. I love this. It's kind of like a transfer of smugness, really, because that's usually my role.

So multiple times, Jackson has claimed that there is a rat in the 2002 Jet lee movie the one that has huge rat balls and jane and jackson said there's a bomb on a rat with big rat balls and i'm like shut the fuck up what are you talking about it's so good recently with the release of the matrix trailer i watched all the matrix movies and after that um the streaming service was like do you want to watch the one and i was like yeah i'll watch the one obviously yes yeah let me tell you james and audience for the first time in his life jack savelli is right there was a rat with the biggest rat balls you've ever seen really yes fascinating it's just like huge distracting yeah the camera follows the rat because there's a bomb on it.

So you're just looking at rat balls for a bit. So Jackson, all those years ago, I'm so sorry. Thank you. I accept your apology and I receive your vindication. Yes. His balls are swelling with pride. So is this rat like, this is off topic, but what is it? It's bombing the death sky.

It's true. Is it also living the one situation where it's absorbing the energies of other rats from other dimensions? That's why its balls are so big, yeah. I mean, there's like a whole bunch of dimensions. So maybe what's happening is that rat is always destined to be a rat bomb. And in previous, like other dimensions, that rat bomb's going off at different times so as those other rats are dying this rat is getting bigger and bigger balls its testicles are swelling and swelling to greater greater heights yeah very possibly but i i sorry yeah i was gonna ask though yeah what because i feel like we've jumped into a different episode

what does this have to do with the wally is a clone thing? Because you just started talking about rat balls. Keep up, James. Sorry, sorry. Maybe we're looking for Wally because we, the reader, are the original Wally or working for the original Wally. We find the other Wallys. We take them out in theory to make the original Wally stronger. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.

Okay. Gotcha. I see. Okay. Because Wally, when we find him in these environments, out in theory to make the original wally stronger gotcha gotcha gotcha one yeah okay gotcha okay because wally when we find him in these environments he's just wandering around with this here's an interesting thought that i just stumbled upon he's got a cane he's battle worn you're right that absolutely is interesting a cane wow what happened to him that he needs audience we're fucking sitting down, Jackson. It's important he's got a cane. That's a clue. It's like a John Watson situation or whatever. Yeah, I hear you.

Maybe he's got a bullet in his hip. We don't know. We don't know. Isn't his cane magic? Doesn't he use it to open portals? He does in the cartoon, yeah, from the 90s. Yeah, in the show he does, yeah. That's interesting. The explanation there, yeah, in the 90s is that Wally is, I think he's like an apprentice for the wizard Whitebeard,

and he has to go to these various lands to solve problems for him or find things for him. So, Jackson, you've just been sitting on that information, which kind of answers the question. You just didn't bring it up. Well, I think it's only one version of Wally, you've just been sitting on that information, which kind of answers the question. You just didn't bring it up. Well, I think it's only one version of WALL-E. I don't think it's a, I wouldn't say it's the explanation for every version of WALL-E. And I also don't know if it's true. I can't really remember.

I mean, you're saying these things and I'm like, I did, yeah, that's it. Maybe. Maybe that's what that show was. I remember there was a moment where they paused the screen and you'd have to find him. And even as a kid, I'm like, you're just filling animation time. I know what you're doing here.

How about to you? Don't trick me. Okay. Well, so I'm reading here. He was often sent by Wizard Whitebeard to help solve puzzles or mysteries. So he wasn't necessarily doing it for like he wasn't an apprentice he just wizard whitebeard would be like hey go into the spooky realm and see what's up dude and he would do it and then yeah hey there was uh waldo stayed true to the book's premise by means of the waldo's

minutes during which the screen froze for a full minute so the viewer could try and find wally a full minute and apparently it aired twice per episode. A full minute is so long. You find it once and then you're just waiting for another 30 seconds. It took me 30 seconds. It's like an 18 minute show as is. That's ridiculous. And wasn't it also that Waldo would follow him through

the portal and Wally, it was like Inspector Gadget, where he never knew he was kind of being followed? Am I imagining that? No No I think you're right I think Waldo is by and large unaware of Oddlaw I think he sort of doesn't care about Oddlaw or what Oddlaw's doing. Oddlaw often gives me

the vibes of like I don't know if this is a... Like a Dick Dastardly sort of situation where he's a moron but a bad man. Well I was thinking more like tell me if this is a real trope okay let's say let's go you have a bunch of clones but one comes out wrong and it wants to kill the main guy is that a thing yeah that's a thing okay that's a thing yeah well okay good well

that's what i feel like odd law is he's like he's come out misshapen, misformed. And so his desire is to find Wally or Waldo and kill him, break his neck and take his place in the world. I think that's what he wants. I think we see- Do you think he's going to roll into Wizard Whitebeard and be like, I killed your guy. And he's going to be like, great job. That's what I wanted.

You've finally done it, Oddlaw. You've earned my respect. No, I just kind of imagined yeah odd law is described exactly like you mean nasty loathsome and disgusting that is me i am odd law well i sort of imagine odd law kills wally with by breaking his neck and then puts on his clothes and comes back and says i am wild no because that's how i imagine he sounds you know to try and trick the wizard white beard. Yeah.

So, Jackson, I've got his motivation here, which I think is all of these, they seem unrelated pieces, but this, we're trying to get to the bottom of this mystery. So, I think that all of these are equally important. Much like the rat balls. Thank you, yeah. It's all going to come together. It's all going to, yeah. Much like the rat balls. It's all going to come together.

So Oddlaw's number of good deeds are few, and all he cares about is getting his hands on Waldo's magic walking stick. So he wants the magic stick. To what end? What does he want to do with it? He's going to jam it up his ass. We all know what he's going to do with it. He saw that stick and he was like, I can fuck myself with that stick.

And I'm fucking going to do it. I'm going to do it. Unrelated guy. He was just sitting on a park bench when Wally strolled by. And he's like, there it is. My life's purpose. It was that easy. Jackson.

Yeah. It's just you. Oddlaw can be really clumsy. So he always ends up getting hurt. His friends also tell him to frequently shut up and stop writing. Oddlaw was here on everything he comes in contact with and then this is interesting and a weird thing he's reportedly based on a young boy that the illustrator met in portland during a hunting trip what what the fuck does odd law remind you of a little boy what was he a little boy when he met this other little boy what is this

yeah it's so funny to imagine the creator of wells waldo hunting for being like look at that loathsome disgusting little boy yuck excuse me you're gross i hate you shut up up. I'm going to put a cruel mockery of you in my books. Little boy with a mustache. You make me sick. Also, do you reckon he saw like this little boy in Portland and was like, he's the evil version of me. Maybe. Yeah. I wonder what that little boy is doing now.

Yeah, true. What's the real life? Sueing, hopefully. Yeah. boys doing now yeah true what's the real life hopefully yeah it's easy to imagine like an article in in like a like a gossipy magazine that's like the real odd law you know exposed yeah absolutely we also have two three other people that we've not explored we have wenda or wonder wonders the name says probably wonder the wizard white beard, and Woof, the dog. So all of them are also in Wally's colors, which I think is interesting. Woof has got the stripes,

Wanda's got the stripes, wizard white beard, I don't think he's in stripes, but he's in red and white like Waldo. What's the relationship here? A sister? Is Wanda his sister? His wife? Girl clone? They pop out a girl clone? It might have popped out a girl clone. Dog clone? Popped out a girl clone it might have popped out a girl clone what have you got

popped out a dog clone wizard clone so wender is waldo's current girlfriend current the character is the one who takes the pictures according to the intro of the wonder book but she always loses her camera it's wender by the way not one it's the one that isn't a name why but then wilma oh yeah there's two oh my oh okay so oh my god i just saw this now yeah wilma was wally's girlfriend but what we've been saying so all of this stuff was about waldo before but now they've just thrown a wally in yeah also wilma was the original owner of Wolf the Dog. Wally might be a piece of shit.

Yeah, but she's also twins. They're twins, I'm reading here. Oh no, no. No wonder we don't see

Wilma anymore. What a fucking betrayal from her twin sister and Wally. Jesus Christ. Okay, Wolf the Dog. We can only ever see his tail

But we do know there's a full dog there The Wally Watchers Wally Watchers are Wally's devoted fan club That's us, right? That's us, we're the Wally Watchers, right? Yeah, yeah Waldo Watchers sounds worse Wally Watchers, good

Yeah, Waldo Watchers, terrible Well, okay, here's a question for you Why does Wally have a fan club? What's he doing? What are they fans of? He's a pop culture figure. But you mean, like, within the universe? Yeah, like, why would you be-

What would they be like? It's like being fans of, like, just a guy. Like, I mean, I guess it happens, but it just seems like- No, you need a social media presence at the very least, you know? Yeah. It's good to watch Dusha rub his forehead in pain as he goes deeper and deeper into the Wally tomes. Because we just found out that Wolf was not originally Wally's dog. Sure.

But in fact, his current girlfriend's twin sister's original dog that's also his ex-girlfriend. twin sister's original dog that's also his ex-girlfriend but in the 2019 reboot or sequel series uh wolf is replaced with off off follow off all of you like off like dog but then oh yeah too difficult to say they should have done that does not roll off the tongue not at all yeah he is a replacement and stepbrother of wolf because Wolf's dead right Because dogs don't live 30 years Wolf's a dead fucking dog for sure But then he's his stepbrother So our Follermuse should be pretty close to dying soon as well What does that mean to be a stepbrother

If you're a dog How does that work You actually can't because dogs can't get married That's what I'm talking about That's what I mean Is it like he got a second dog and went, this is your brother. That's the brother. Is that what it is?

Was there a dog marriage somewhere in the background of this? Because I just don't think you... Loading up a different page. Can dogs get legally married? They can. I've never seen a dog wedding. You could do it. Host a dog wedding.

Wow. 75% positive rating on how to host a dog wedding on WikiHow. Wow. There you go. So it's possible to host a dog wedding. Wow. 75% positive rating on how to host a dog wedding on wikiHow. Wow, there you go. So it's possible to host a dog wedding, but I don't think it's legally binding. I don't think you can have a legally binding dog wedding. I mean, I don't know, but it seems unlikely. Would you marry the two dogs that you bought if you were going to do it? Or would you have a friend that had a dog?

Or maybe you meet someone at a park and maybe you don't like that person but your dogs get along yeah you have them get married it would feel weird to me if i got yeah being angry at your dog because it fell in love with your enemy's dog and you're like well you're gonna have to fucking get married and i'm gonna have to see them at the wedding imagine like if i have a dog and someone else has a dog and they like each other i'm like that's nice it's so hard for me to imagine taking the next step to like they should get married they want to get married yeah and and if you wanted that to be like to bring that up yeah to somebody because i remember like when our when i've got a dog i was gonna say when i had a dog i have a dog

my dog is fine and alive. But, like, this was years ago. We kind of met this guy at a park, and, you know, you'd see him, you know, every day or every couple of days. And he texted me once. He's like, hey, why don't you send your dog over for, like, a sleepover to my house? And I'm like, no.

What are you saying? What are you talking about? I immediately would not trust that man with my dog. Oh, because it's his decision. His dog didn't come up to him and be like, hey, James's dog, can you come over tonight? That guy was just like, I want two dogs in my house. I know, right?

It was just like, what are you? Absolutely not. I know dogs can bring you a lot of love and happiness, but it's not a child. It's not a child. I'm sorry. It's not the same. It's not the same i'm sorry you know it's just it's not the same not the same not at all you can't you can't do that you can't get married to your dog i mean you can't well you can't get married to your dog pull that up do have a look uh well

unfortunately the second thing underneath uh had a like the dog thing was like can you marry a dog and i didn't want to click that one and just you can but it's not legally binding again you don't have to give the dog all your stuff when you die i guess you don't know what to do with it so i guess there's no law and stopping you from just saying stuff like you can say you're married to your dog yeah you can say it you can do it you can say anything you know people will not like to hear it but you can say it You can say anything People will not like to hear it But you can say it You can tell people

No one's going to stop you So the Where's Wally Here's an interesting thing The Where's Waldo 2019 TV series It refers to This version of Waldo Who must be a different Waldo Because he's 12

As a member of the Worldwide Wanderer Society, who was sent on travel missions by their mentor Wizard Whitebeard So he's still doing it Yeah, but what is that do they just what are they

doing? Are they just going somewhere? That's not really, you don't need to train to go to a place you know what i mean yeah yeah it's a holiday but yeah exactly so i mean you might want to get into a bit of shape if you have to take your shirt off or whatever you know what i mean yeah for sure but otherwise i just don't think that there's like is that what i guess my question is is that what the original waldo is doing is he a like a like a professional wanderer i guess that just still doesn't explain why we're looking for him does it doesn't give us any insight there and now a quick word from our sponsors

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No, Martin Hanford. So the guy who wrote Where's Wally. And who went on a hunting trip with a load of some little mustached boys. With a 40-year-old. I can imagine a boy who just got a mustache slightly too early, which I can relate to. Just being like, just hating himself. And too early, which I can relate to. Just hating himself. And this other guy's like, you suck. I'm going to shoot you on this hunting trip.

Turn your back for a second. I'm going to shoot you. I'm 12 and I hate you so much. I always imagine him as an adult for some reason. Just getting into the truck with a gun in his lap and turning and just looking at the boy. What? I hate you, little boy little you are loathsome you're mean you're nasty you're loathsome and an idiot all of your friends tell you to shut up

i'm gonna put you in my book and everyone's gonna hate you i'm gonna make you the bad guy of my find a guy book. What? I'm thinking of making a series of books that are find a guy books where you've got to find a guy. They don't sound like books at all. This is why everyone hates you. Did I ask for criticism? Just doesn't sound like you're describing a book.

Sounds like you're describing, I don't know what you're describing're describing sir maybe he didn't hate him initially and he's like yes i'm gonna make this book where you're gonna find a guy like little waldo's like that sounds dumb actually that's not a book you just made the book not in a good way yeah you've made a powerful enemy my friend um martin had uh hand for hanford uh said uh originally thought of the character who was lost in all of those scenes like scenes i just imagined the reason he was lost was because he was slightly idiotic and didn't know where he was going okay so now we've got a dumb fuck wally theory yeah okay that's interesting that would be that if i was the most valid yeah i think that makes the most sense so far if i was the most valid yeah i think that makes the most sense so far if i was that stupid and i wandered into a wally world i'd shit my pants

okay if i right now with my terrible wet brain wandered into a land full of other me's i would shit my pants yeah that would be a natural reaction i would not trust someone that met multiple clones of themselves at the same time that didn't at least piss themselves. At least a little tiny little bit of piss on the inside of your underwear. Yeah, yeah. The jerk reaction to seeing heaps of yourself. Oh, okay. It's just heaps of me.

But everybody does the same thing, I guess. That's fine. And we've all pissed our pants. We've all pissed our pants. We've all pissed our pants. That's great. Oh, and they're just one of the clones. Everyone's just pissed their pants. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. We all just. Yeah. That's a shame. That's a shame. That's a shame. Yeah.

Okay. So if Wally's stupid, what does that mean for us? Are we trying to find him to get him to safety? Is that what's happening? Oh, yeah. I guess that. Like his helper yeah yeah we um we're doing him a solid i guess but yeah that doesn't feel right for the fact that

to know that there is a world of idiots basically like i feel like that our knowledge that both us and now the audience are cursed with of that wally is simply one of many yeah yeah means that it has to be it has to be bigger than we're looking for this idiot man who keeps going places and getting lost. I think the existence, the dichotomy of Waldo and Oddlaw is the most interesting part of this because Oddlaw is a reflection of,

he's like Dark Link in the Zelda series. He's the Dark Waldo. He's all of his negative traits projected into a being of flesh. And I don't know how that happens. You know, that's not the kind of thing that just happens normally. Something's got to have occurred here. That's got to mean something. It's a clue.

It's all clues. Maybe the wizard Whitebeard fucked up and split Wally into a good version and a bad version. That seems like the kind of thing that happens occasionally. Because Wally, he seems like an all good kind of guy. He seems nice. Yeah, I mean, we know he's dumb. And I guess the opposite of a nice dumb guy would be a mean smart guy yeah but not i mean but not that smart i guess to me feels like a recolored version of waluigi yes he's got a huge

waluigi energy because who was first uh surely surely i'd have to be I'm just going to look that up Waluigi didn't pop up until Mario Tennis On the Nintendo 64 Well there you go So Waluigi is like a dark reflection of Luigi Right But also not Wario

He's kind of not He's not really like a dark reflection If you think about it, right? Because like Luigi is a coward. But while Luigi is not brave, he's just like a weird guy. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know if that doesn't really follow on. And I don't think if Wally is like an idiot, I don't think that necessarily means that odd law has got to be smart.

I don't know what it means, but I feel like that's not, that's not the lesson here. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. There's so much research happening in the background right now. I've got like tabs going on.

I know. Cause when I've done this show before, it was like, nobody looks up anything, but you know, now doing it over zoom, it's like, we should puzzle this out properly.

Yeah. We need to really provide a proper answer. Right now I was trying to figure out whether, because Wario, who was created in 1992, but where's Wally was created in 1987. But I'm trying to find out when his nemesis was created and whether there's any case to be made. When did odd law come into existence? Of Nintendo stealing the concept of an odd law, you know? Odd law's first appearance was in the Magnificent Poster book in 1990. Ten years before. Well, I've just looked up Urban Dictionary of WALL-E. Oh, yeah.

It's not a nice thing, is it? It's somebody who's very stupid. Or, apparently, a vagina. Oh, yeah. It's not a nice thing, is it? No, it's somebody who's very stupid or apparently a vagina. So. Ah. I would not have picked that. Wally seems more like a penis. Yeah, true, actually. But I guess maybe it's like Willy and Wally, you know?

You got one or the other. Willy or Wally. That's a good point. Opposite. So I just found the full version of the quote that I said before of the, he was lost because he's slightly idiotic and didn't know where he was going. But then, and this part was not in the original thing that I saw, from the personality point of view, I see him as completely different now.

As far as I'm concerned, he's not idiotic. He's a cool guy. He knows where he's going. He's a cool guy. Okay. Some revisionist history there, but all right. He's a cool guy. He's a cool guy. He knows where he's going. He's a cool guy. Okay. Some revisionist history there, but all right. He's a cool guy. He's a cool guy.

It gets so much funnier. He's very open-minded. That's good. That's good. He's kind. From a visual point of view, his face has actually changed to make him look less nerdy. Okay. He's very open-minded is so weird because it sounds so defensive.

He's actually very open-minded. Don't cancel Wally. Okay. He's very open-minded is so weird because it sounds so defensive. He's actually very open-minded. Don't cancel Wally, okay? You don't need to look into it. Trust me. You'll love him. He's very open-minded. Anyway, this is unrelated, and just real quickly, the first Where's Wally book got banned from a shop called BJ's

because it featured a topless sunbather. I remember that. I remember that little, yeah. Very excited. I bet you do. Very erotic. Very erotic. If you look up the original Wally, he does look like a fucking idiot. I must say. No, you're right.

If you look up, where, oh man, I had it for, yeah, if you find the original Wally, he's got like a backpack, he's got this stupid fucking, he looks like a moron. So, you know, I get it. I get why they changed it. I get why they decided to make him cool.

Yeah. Yeah, because he kind of looks like a little kind of Justin Bieber boy now. Yeah, he does. Yeah, they've really, they've done him a service, I think. Yeah, he's still going to grow into a big nerd though. Like, you know, kids who are like, they're cute and they grow up weird yeah absolutely you hit a point where you're like yuck you got bad damn gross yeah you're an odd law child you know as it happens so what fuck it out so what are we what a nightmare of a universe yeah what are we thinking what are we thinking is happening

here what do we think is our is our explanation for the Waldo odd law? Woof the dog. I keep wanting to say Wag the dog, but I think that's the dog from The Wiggles. Yeah, I think it is. Wizard Whitebeard, Wenda, and Wilma. I've been thinking about that one as well, right? So let's untangle it a bit.

Waldo is dating Wilma. Wilma has Wolf the dog. Waldo and Wilma fall out, presumably because Waldo was making sweet love to Wenda. Wilma leaves the scene, but Waldo keeps the dog. Oh, yeah. He's open-minded. He's kind.

Yeah, it doesn't fucking sound like it. He's definitely open-minded, but maybe too open-minded. I mean, don't you think you'd only leave the dog if you were fleeing? True. That's a good point. Or you felt guilty and be like, I actually made the mistake here. Yeah, I have to go. And that's to recompense. Or he's, like, tried to murder her.

Yeah. And she has just left. She's had to go and leave the dog to him, who he hasn't killed, thank goodness. And then he's off on a globetrotting adventure for revenge to find her. Yeah. Or to escape the cops. I mean.

Yeah, I mean, that's true too. Maybe he knows that when they do find him, they will kill him. He'll get the chair. And so he just doesn't want that to happen to him. Is that a thing? Like, is it in a relationship, you don't get the other person's dog, right? Like, that is weird. No, that's strange.

Yeah, that's a strange situation. The only reason it would be is if, like, a real life circumstance is if you were living with someone and you got a dog together but then in the breakup you were the one leaving the property and maybe you hated your dog now yeah yeah like if the dog fell like if the dog not fell in love with like not romantically but if it was like marrying a dog situation again but if the dog was like i actually and this would be heartbreaking but i'm so feasible you know i actually as a dog like you as an owner better than i like waldo is better than wilma and maybe like it's just the right thing for to do for wilma to be like the most surprising thing

of that would be a dog speaking to me yeah yeah hey and like who the dog prefers is like irrelevant you know what i mean i'd still take the dog if like my partner was like like the dog prefers is like irrelevant you know what i mean yeah i'd still take the dog if like my partner was like like the dog clearly preferred you know them i'd be like no i'm taking this i don't give a shit actually so yeah it's my dog will forget you with time yeah that's right so i guess like with all of this knowledge that we have all of these horrible things we've learned the fact that waldo comes from... He's not special. He's just one of many, but has a fan club? Yeah. We didn't even go into this.

Are the Wally Watchers a fan of all of the... Like, from the land of the Wallys slash Waldos? Or do they have a specific Wally? Yeah. It's weird. I was saying earlier, it's weird to be a fan of one guy, but it's actually weirder to be a fan of the one guy a million times. Like that's,

that's, but I get, I would be a fan. I think if I found out that there were a million of the one guy, I'd probably be a fan of that guy. Like that's, that's going to rocket you to stardom. You tell me you're going to find out there's a million of one guy.

You're not going to be interested. You're not going to want to know what they get up to? Yeah, I guess. But to be honest, he's not very interesting. But there's so many of them. Yeah, I know, but that's the only interesting thing about it. But just because there's more of him doesn't mean... I mean, that makes him slightly more interesting, I guess. More of an anomaly than like a yeah somebody i have to know what he's up to because let's be honest he's just like standing next to a pool or whatever the fuck he does you know and i'm like whoa take a photo so yeah jackson if you knew

someone that was like a triplet would you be like i gotta fucking know this guy there's three of him no but i'd love to watch them i'd'd love to watch them. What do you mean? It'd be cool to see. I don't know. What? What? Three guys that look like triplets? Three of the same looking guy. That would be cool to see. Have you seen twins in real life? Yeah, and it's cool to see.

Alright. Cool, man. This isn't crazy. Twins are cool. I wish I was a twin i wish i was at octuplets that would be awesome but like like ones that didn't try to differentiate ourselves so we all looked identical that would be my dream that would be sick you go for that that's how i do it like a fucking weasley dream or some shit i love how you're like i want to be one of eight One of eight exactly the same people No individuality, please

I guess I just had one more final thought on the psychology behind this man Whenever you open a page and you find him, he's looking at you He doesn't have his back to you, he's not looking at whatever's going on around him Which quite frankly is fucking anarchy in his general vicinity. But he's looking at you, and I don't know what that means. He's looking at you as if to say, well done. You found me. Or alternatively, he's like, found you first.

Yeah, that's true. Oh, shit. Oh, my God. From Wally's perspective He's looking at a where's Doucher Or a where's James Or a where's Jackson At all times

Have we been looking at this the wrong way Like he's finding us Is that what this is That's Bad to think about That's scary I don't like this When you open the book

He's like found you Yeah He's like Found you And the book he's like found you yeah he's like found you and also there's millions of me yeah but you'll never truly find me oh no i think when it comes down to like everything we've got it's either one of two what there's like two pretty sound theories and they came up i guess early yeah one he's just he's lost and we are helping out our good friend martin hanfield who sent us photos being like please find my friend yep or two it's got something to do with the fact that there is

millions of this one guy and we're trying to bring them back together maybe stop time and magic shenanigans bring them all together and just like slaughter them so that it never happens again jack's like yeah yeah we find them so we can just mince the land of waldos mince the waldos into a string of sausages don't worry mr wizard white beard it's not gonna happen again. I promise. I can't remember exactly how I worded the question, but it's starting to sound a lot like,

what is Wally hiding from us? Or he's not hiding at all, and we should be hiding from him. It's one of the two. One of the two, yeah. I mean, I guess he is hiding from us. That's kind of the point. That is kind of the answer

we are looking for him we are bound to look for him it depends on like the person what they want to do to him when they find him circle him with a texter and wreck it for everyone yeah that's what I want to do ruin a book

it's good that's what we're all aiming for in the end. Wow. You know, books. Yeah, really a book. It'd be great if we found out that Oddlaw was actually based on James as a child,

being like, yeah, great book, mate. Books usually have words. A paragraph doesn't count. Yeah. Like I loved finding like his sock in that book that you,

that book that you wrote. Really cool, man. I rarely have to find anything in the books I read. Yeah, that doesn't come up very often. I don't get extra instructions when I open a book, you know? Just saying. Yeah, just, have you read a book? Just one day.

Most authors read books. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe you're different. Don't the authors read books? Yeah, I don't know. Maybe you're different. And on that note, I've been Joel, a Wally Watcher. I've been Jackson, a Wally Watcher.

And I've been James, a Willy Watcher, which was his name in South Africa or something, I don't know. And James, in the off chance that people don't know who you are or where to find you, where can they find you? Thank you so much for asking. I also have a podcast. It's called The Weekly Planet, where we talk movies and comics and TV shows. know who you are or where to find you where can they find you thank you so much for asking i also have a podcast it's called the weekly planet where we talk movies and comics and tv shows and we also uh have a youtube channel called mr sunday movies where we just it's whatever really you know what i mean yeah we look we talked about the matrix recently there we go we talked about the matrix

in this yeah we talked about the matrix there beautiful there you go yeah uh any chance of rat balls coming up, which is how. Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. Like there is no way that wouldn't come up. Yeah.

That's so good to hear. What we should have done is watched the matrix. Yeah. And then watched the one and then watch the next two matrix movies. That's what we should have done. I feel like an idiot. It's good to see its influence. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, thank you, James. Thank you for having me. It's good to see its influence. Yeah. Well, thank you, James. Thank you for having me. It's good to be back. What if I told you everything you know about the world is wrong? What if I told you that all the things you believe to be impossible are in fact very much possible?

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