Podcast About List - Ep. 214 - Paranormal Talk 2 ft. Matt Devita and Pierce

Episode Date: October 26, 2022

Uncle Matt joins us to talk all things paranormal in the lead up to our terrifying investigation, of which the results will only see the light of day during Halloween night. Buy tickets to our latest live show https://www.swagpoop.com/shows Get extra premium and D&D episodes at https://www.patreon.com/podcastaboutlist Follow us https://www.swagpoop.com/links

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That's what I learned Happened earlier Check check check check check check check checking Check it out Checking it out Okay, yeah All right Okay I think we're all good

We're all ready All right let's do it Everyone's ready Yeah All the cameras are on and stuff Are they recording? Come there, come there, come there And me see your butt

You're gonna be the ball list You're in the crap monster There it is What's up Matt What's up, fellas? How you doing? I'm doing well Yeah, new studios looking good

Thank you Yeah, this is great Yeah, it's incredible Why do you need three keyboards I don't need these three keyboards Because they look cool They do look cool, yeah You were playing at the same time

One song I heard that Please tell me you heard you know Yeah, we're hearing popping I did not hear the popping Because I have headphones on But what I will tell you Is that there was some interference

Just there in the audio That everybody will be able to hear It went, did it Right when you guys pointed I'm completely serious Oh my God I'll let you say This is y'all's show

No, no No, you're the expert Yeah, but I was just going to say, asked to what this show is about to begin with, right? Are we not? Yeah, I mean, we're here in North Carolina with Matthew DeVita, a paranormal investigator. He also says all things audio visual. A master. A master of all things audio visual.

I would say master. Expert. IT information technology degree holder. Support specialist. Support specialist. But anyway, we're at his studio. And so it's been getting weird. We had a door fall on Pierce's head

Yeah, Pierce is here too I'm here and Matt said I'm here in spirit Well, you're here in real it You were almost only here in spirit You were almost just in spirit Right Yeah, because you almost murdered me

That's one big door See, and that's what a ghost does It tears people apart He was, I watched it He was far away from the door And the door came right back Yeah, but he placed the door so precariously Like a time bomb

Like a Like a Bugs Bunny villain I would have felt horribly forever. I mean, in a bad attitude. You said died. You would have felt really bad. My head just explodes.

Door falls on my head and it cracks. I mean, not only would have gone to jail, but I would have literally felt horrible. I'm not sure you would have gone to jail. We would have covered it up. I would have not told them that it was your fault. I would have said it was a good. We would have dealt with it in one way or another. Yeah, I guess most murders that have happened while people were in the middle of talking about ghosts go completely unsolved.

Yeah, because it's like, well, also, like, you deserved it. Right. You were inviting something. Yeah. What? Kind of like, did you hear another crazy thing? No. I was just laying down the law.

He's just making a face at people, I guess. I don't know what's going. We're recording it on video now, so I figure. That's true. That is true. This is the first time. My instinct when Patrick does something like this is to be like, what are you doing? Nobody can see you.

But I guess there's a possibility that people can see him right now. Can I add to the listeners? Yeah. feel free to review this video or audio podcast and see if they hear anything that's not part of this podcast Yeah, you guys should find a way to dump all of the metadata into the podcast release as well Have you ever opened up some audio

and put it in one of those spectrogram or whatever things And you see a big six-pointed star, Devilhorn Yeah, or a 666 embedded into the waveform Or an open mouth with a tongue. No, but we've got some pretty horrible audio from investigations. Just like horrible. Audio that plays without even being pressed. I mean, like voice, you know, voice is caught on audio that says like get out, things like that.

Yeah. And what's the horrible than that? Not a whole line. Not much. What's the longest sentence that you've ever caught? So when we did an investigation in downtown Wilmington, I caught an EV. So EVP for those electronic voice phenomena, it's when we get audio. but we can't hear it with our own ears.

If we hear it with our own ears, it's known as a disembodied spirit. So just clarify that before we go any farther. But the sentence was, Hey, man, how about stepping away from me? Whoa. Wow. That guy's kind of got a cool thing.

Yeah, yeah. A rough and tumble. Yeah, yeah. I'm straight, legit. Some kind of punk. Hey, I'm quoting, hey, man, how about stepping away from me? Wow. That was the EDP.

we call it. Could not have been a Civil War guy. No, definitely not. That's the 70s. Yeah. Yeah. It could have been, yes, I would say more modern.

A little more modern. But don't you think that maybe a ghost would, I mean, a ghost, ghosts are walking around, floating around seeing, you know, they're watching girls and shit. They know. On HBO?

Yeah, they're like, yeah, that's what I mean. They're watching shows. Yeah. Yeah, you caught on. And so they're hip to the new lingo and stuff, right? I believe it depends on the entity. We've talked about this early.

So there could be like a dorky entity. If it's an intelligent entity, then who knows what's possible. But if it's more like a residual entity that's caught in a loop per se, I could also see, like, for example, maybe the ghost of a 50s businessman. It might be likely for this businessman to pick up on the lingo and perhaps say that a person's brain or blood was bust and bustin'bussing when he's haunting them. But maybe a ghost of a caveman or a homo. neon dothalus or something with kind of a lessened brain capacity would not be able to say

anything besides uca buca because they don't have the, they never learned to talk in the first place. Exactly. So you're not going to be able to say a single vowel buss and buss and bussing or something like that. But now there's debatables on that as well over, you know, can entities

learn? That's something else to consider. You know, depending on how long the entity lingers after life, can it become more intelligent or, Or is it going to stay the same intelligent as it was? Sure. I kind of like your idea.

Do you think a caveman could be Einstein level if it was around long enough? I do like your idea of a caveman spirit. I've never even heard of that. I think about it a lot. I think you just want to hear a unga-bunga-bunga-evp. That would be pretty incredible. I mean, who wouldn't want to hear a unga-bunga-v-v-p. I would love to.

You know, I'm... Because there's odds are... Me catch mammoth. Yeah. How about you step away from me? Hey, hey, bud, how about you step away? My wife, stop, lookie. You know.

Any of those would be great. I guess you're, I mean, so often it's people are afraid of Native American burial grounds. But almost everywhere is probably a caveman's grave. Well, do you think the Ice Age kind of depleted all that? Well, they could be called different things in different parts of the world, not necessarily just cavemen. True. They could be called anything. Was it Neanderthal one, two, and then at a time?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It turns out that there's really not that many caves. Yeah. Yeah. People can't always find a cave. Yeah, sometimes a cave man is born outside of a cave.

And it's okay. I'm here because I have not found a good cave. Exactly. You're a houseman. Well, but because I haven't found a good cave. Yeah. I stand by that. You would, this would, this, you could do a cave.

thing. I think a caged set up would be pretty strong. I think a stalagmite or stalactite there. Yeah. Maybe a stalag mite there.

If a stalact mite or stalactite was up there, I don't care which one. Well, I forget which one is the one because it's a mite comes up and a tight comes down. Did I tell you guys my uncle like deceived me so hard?

Like he gave a very cogent explanation of what they were and he was like yeah, stalagite because tigers roam on the jungle floor and stalag might because mountains grow and I was like that doesn't sound very cogent at all

I can't oh monkeys it was monkeys he said monkeys swing from the trees above and tigers roam on the floor below but it's the complete opposite the best one of those monkeys don't roam on the floor and tigers don't swing from trees

but the might and the tight are opposite that's what I meant was said it's pretty obvious what I meant there. The best, the best one of those is, is dessert and desert, you know? Because a desert is super, a desert is not. It's very sparse. There's not enough. Yeah, go for it. But a dessert is super sweet. So what do you get when you, a desert is one, a snake. A desert has a snake. What I've always thought, what I've always thought is a desert. A desert, there's not as much stuff there, so there's only one S. And a dessert, it's like, there's so much. It's bountiful. A desert is not sparse, which has two S's when it comes to same.

which has one S. I'm so lost. We're kind of like... Yeah, what was that joke you had? So what do you get if you were to cross an elephant with a rhinoceros since we're talking to animals? Well, if I know.

Oh, that's good. That is good. It only kind of works if you have a British accent. Yep, it would work better for sure. Here, bump the mic after that joke. Got it, guys. Elifino

Elifino. Elefino. That would be a LFIno. I think it would be a LFIno. Excuse me. Could I mustache you a question? Oh, that's, yeah.

I mustash you a question. Could I? I think you'd have to drop the could I? Excuse me, sir. Would it be so wrong if I mustash you? Oh, no, that does work. Would it be so wrong if I must ask you? Yeah, that one works fine.

That one works too well. So what's new with you? Anything going on? It's been probably close to a year, right? I think it's probably a year. Almost exactly a year. So, yeah. I mean, so Cape for Soul Seekers has been disbanded.

I'm sorry to hear that. No, no, we're all good. I have rejoined another group called Erie Expedition's Paranormal. And it's all good. And we're all still friends. We just don't do, I'll still do some investigations, but it's just not going to be under Cape Fear Soul Seekers. I'm involved in three productions currently underway,

which none of them like to talk about. So are you even bringing them up? I will. You want to know what's going on? All right, I'll guess. Kind of give you an idea what's going on. We should guess. The queen.

No. Iron Man. One of them is paranormal. Two of them are paranormal related. One of them is gaming related. Oh, right. You were telling us about this yesterday. The Halo TV show, Peter Jackson.

What? Peter Jackson didn't direct that. He was just going to. Peter Jackson. No, it's going to be Magic the Gathering related. All right, cool. It doesn't take anything to get you to talk about the things that you say. You can't talk about.

Well, I can't give specific names of the shows. Oh, okay. That's what your NDA says? Yes. Stranger Things. No. What do you think of Stranger Things? How much are they getting right?

How much are they getting wrong? There's so much I could talk about. Yeah. Let's talk about it. That's why you're here. Well, but they're not doing a whole... Well, they're doing more like dimensional rather than paranormal. Do you have any interest in dimensional?

Television? No, no, so I liked the first couple of seasons of Stranger thing. I thought it got, this is just my humble opinion, so I just thought it got too chick flicky. I agree, too much kissing. There's a girly stuff in the recent seasons. Great. Yeah, they really jumped the shirt in the third. The most recent season, I heard that, well, I saw some of it because my girlfriend was watching it,

girl show but uh i mean a lot of these hours these these episodes are an hour and a half long and more than half of the episode it's like romantic and look people are gonna hate on me for those for my opinion but i'm just that's just way after yeah i mean i think buckle up because people are gonna be fucking mad about yeah yeah they are look they are on facebook good lord people are like you can't say that about it's great it's the best show ever i'm like i mean that's great i'm glad you like it i just didn't like it after the second season yeah i didn't i think I think it's, I think what they're doing now is wrong. I think it's a bad show.

I mean, who sings... Exactly. A song when they're about to die. Oh, the never-ending story episode? The last episode I saw. Yeah. Yeah, that was not good. It just was not it.

That was not for me. Sorry. What's like the piece of media that you've watched where when you, like, it has to do with the paranormal and you've watched it and you're like, wow, that's exactly my experience. Or what's the closest to like, oh, that is my experience with the paranormal? I'm, so, fictional, right? Fictional.

Fictional. Not like a production that you've made. So the Taps folks are close to the real deal. Like, I respect the ghost hunter people. Not in, like, not in, like, not in documentary, but in, like, let's take the Shining or the Exorcist. Yeah, yeah. Closest to your experience. You know, that hotel is, that hotel is really legitimately haunted.

Right, but it does not necessarily actually flood blood. No, but it, like, like, Like, he had experiences there when he, the writer, who wrote that? Stephen King. Yeah. Had, and other people, tons of people have had experiences there. I would love to investigate that place. God, that would be awesome.

That would be incredible. Maybe next time. Yeah. It's at the Overlook Hotel, is it? That's the fictional. It's the old Stanley Hotel. Oh, okay. And that place is, it's beautiful, but it's, it's, it's legit.

The Overlook Hotel is the name of the hotel in the story, but there's a real hotel. But something like The Shining, to some extent, I've had, you know, maybe... Something like the Shining, you know. So, and I assume you're talking about the ghost stuff in there, but are the psychic stuff, too, is that... Maybe a little bit of both, yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah, but more spirit, more of the ghosts. Do you think that there's anything specifically paranormal, psychic, about, like, people being twins?

Never really thought of it. But here's something else to think about, though. See, we hadn't even talked about, and I'm sorry for changing. Oh, no, that's fine. We'll come back to my head. So there are conductors that enhance possible paranormal activity. Water, limestone, as a big conductor. Limestone?

Limestone. So I should have mentioned this earlier when we were talking about things just when we were hanging out. Those can actually also be debunkers as well. you know if that is in the area so it's something to think about when you're seeing these shows and you know okay if you see people are having you know sightings and this that and the other and but they don't know for sure you know

then you do your research on what's around it so with the Stanley Hotel you know how much research have they done to see if it's definitely haunted or if there's other factors that might be causing particular siding. So I don't know. I'm just saying. Sure. I know that's got a little sidetracked a little bit, but I just wanted to throw that out there because I think it's worth, you know.

Limestone's interesting because is it just, is that lead to more, there are more kind of haunted places that have large limestone deposits nearby? From my knowledge, possibly, yes. Okay. Like a haunted bathroom? Well, that's, I mean, bathroom's a bloody merri, stuff like that. There's a lot of limestone buildup.

Mowing Mertle? Yeah. Yeah, stuff like that. Mourtel, where was that from? Harry Potter. Yeah. Hogwarts. I heard Hogwarts is actually built on a limestone deposit.

That would be great. I am a huge fan of that movie. It's one of my, or the whole series. Harry Potter, yeah. I thought the third one was the best, the movie at least. I don't know. That's a toss-up. I mean, they're all good, in my opinion.

Christmas. The first one was great. The Christmas happens in pretty much every single one. Yeah. Yeah, but it's more of a Christmas movie. It's one of the big wizarding things. I like Goblet Fire. I thought that was good.

Yeah, the Tri-Wizard Tournament. That is a really good one. Speaking of Christmas, we learned about something recently the anti-Christmas. I never heard of it. Anti-Clause. Anti-Claus. You want to bring it up and then look at me and Taylor? I forgot a lot of it.

Why did you bring it up then? I thought we were going to talk about this. Why do we talk about it? When do we talk about talking about this? I don't know. Is this a ghost thing? You said it. You did say earlier.

I didn't say, let's bring it up on the podcast. I said, well, we'll show him that. He doesn't even know what we're talking about. I have no clue. We discover the short store, which we'll send this over to you, I'm sure. We can maybe talk about it at length at some point, but we found a website of this person who purports to be a paranormal investigator who has traveled to the North Pole many times.

times I met Santa Claus and also is fighting against the anti-Claas. Really? I didn't know it was called Anti-Claas, though, but I think I've heard... His organization is Mystic Investigations, and his name is Xavier Remington. I've heard of Xavier Remington. You've heard of Xavier, I've heard of Xavier. Really? You've heard of Xavier Remington.

I think so. Yeah. Wow. Because we stumbled across it, and we were, like, so intrigued. We were trying to figure out Santa Claus's birthday. Can you pull that up? I don't have Wi-Fi right, you know. I also, just based on something we were talking about earlier,

Did you say that you have a soundcloud of you being possessed by a spirit? No, I have a SoundCloud clip. So my SoundCloud is Devita Studios, I think. Or Matt DeVita, either one. It is a, we had caught a disembodied spirit at a cement plant that we investigated years ago. Oh, I thought you had maybe audio of you, of you in the throes of inviting. No, I got taken over at that plant. But you don't have a recording.

No, but we have a recording. I'll send you this, Matt. This is Mystic Investigations.com. We have a recording of who we believe took me over, which was a female spirit. And you can hear it on my SoundCloud page of her. We asked, am I the only person talking to you? And there was five of us in this particular section, and she said yes. So you've got a disembodied voice.

Women be saying that, though. Am I the only one you're talking to? They say yes. Yeah, I do. Never know. Yeah, that is true. Yeah. Well, she answered appropriately then.

Yeah. Did you, you didn't see her, though? No, no, we just, but we definitely heard her. Like, we heard her. Did she have a hot voice, kind of breathy? Like, yes. Oh, very close to that. Really?

Wow. Close to that, yes. Maybe it was him playing a trick on you. Oh, man. It was more of loud. It's like a... Yes. Wow.

Oh, crap. Oh, crap. It doesn't matter. It's completely fine. That's just her GoPro. That could be a mystic. Wait, this wasn't a mystic that took over you, was it? Oh, what's the difference between a mystic?

I saw a mystic. I saw a mystic. I saw a mystic when we investigated Lake Shawnee with EEP about a month and a half ago. Now, I love, you've been a part of... How many different organizations have you been a part of through the years? A few. I remember you had you had ASS.

Which was still one of the best names ever. Assessing supernatural spirits. Acknowledging. Acknowledging supernatural spirit. Assessing could have been even another organization too. And now you have EEP, which is like, EEP.

That's not me. Okay. Oh, EEP. I didn't even put that. Which is kind of like maybe. Yeah, next is like jinkees or something. EIP. Yeah.

Which you maybe would say when you see ghosts. Robbie. Rob. Robbie Spencer is the founder of that group. Is a good guy. Do you think he's always. aware of the fact that it's, it is a, uh, oh, absolutely, I think so. Yeah, I, I tried to come up with a punch.

I tried to come up with one, uh, paranormal encounter, nocturnal investigation squad. And what would that be? It's penis. Oh, Lord. I love it. Isn't that a little, you love that? Isn't that maybe a little too crass and maybe people stop taking you so professionally? Maybe ghosts might not, maybe ghosts would be homophobic.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Because if you hate a penis, if you, it's homophiles. You're gay if you're... I had the group called ass and people still invited me into their homes. So, you know, it just depends on the purpose. You know, of course some people are not going to want us to come in there with that name. But others...

But everyone has an ass, a penis. But your reputation is what's... That's true. If people are like, okay, there's this group called ass, they're very respectful. They've done tons of successful investigations. Well, we should probably invite them over, versus somebody who's like, well, I've heard of this group, ass, they're nasty. And they run around and they grab the ghosts and they do nasty things.

And maybe we don't wait. Yeah. This was, you know, 10 or 15 years ago, we didn't really have Google reviews and all this. Sure. You know, when I had ass. Yeah, exactly. So acknowledging supernatural spirits, that sort of implies the existence of a natural spirit. Yes.

So what is the difference between a supernatural spirit and a regular spirit? Or are all spirits supernatural? No, I think it all has to do with the level of intelligent. That's just my personal opinion, you know. Okay, so like a dog spirit. There's going to be other people's with other opinions, you know? Oh, but I guess every, I mean, you could just say every spirit is supernatural. I mean, I feel like maybe if this is my thinking, maybe right now we have natural spirits inside us,

and once they're out earthbound walking around, that's kind of a supernatural phenomenon. Right. So all spirits, a natural spirit usually needs. or I guess 100% of the time needs a body to inhabit, but a supernatural spirit can live outside of a body. It's not natural for a spirit to live outside of a body. Maybe a supernatural spirit might have more abilities to travel in and out of, you know, Spider-Rumns, yeah, realms.

Okay, so is there, I have a question. Is there any kind of wall that a spirit cannot pass through? Well, I think there are, again, this goes into supernatural versus not. So we've talked about this before, whether how strong your will was when you were alive might have a factor into how strong your capabilities are when you're in your next life. When you say how strong your will is, do you mean like your... Your will to live. Okay. So your drive, people who have high vital energy.

Mm-hmm. That are driven. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know. Versus someone who, like, say, uh, uh, uh, you're alive. likes to sleep on the couch all day and not do anything. Yeah, or maybe someone who, somebody die, they just, they're gone.

I'm just, this is a possibility. Or like someone who just gave up on life and slipped away and just laid, gave up. They said, I don't want to live anymore, and they just slipped away. So people without the will to live. Right. It could possibly not have quite the capabilities that someone's driven and a strong-will. I guess if somebody... Possibly, this is just a theory. Yeah, with that theory, so people who commit suicide,

That represents, to me, very little will to live. So are these people, there's just basically nothing. Now, you say that, they may not, they may have different capabilities because of their anger. True. So if someone gets really angry enough to kill themselves, they might have different types of capabilities in their afterlife. It could, it takes a pretty strong will to kill yourself too.

Maybe it's a different kind of will, the will to die. But it's an angry will. So you might have different, you might only have one set of capabilities in your actual. Afterlife, which would be anger-related. Hulk-style. I guess I'm trying to arrive at... We know what kind of people do become spirits and... Little girls.

Little girls who have big wills to live often become spirits. But if you... I guess I'm curious what kind of person is just... They die and they're just... They're just... Yeah, let's talk about the kind of person who there's just nothing for them. They're just dust. They don't exist anymore.

No spirit, no... Their spirit, if it does exist, is basically stuck in time, like, a particle from a sneeze and you can just walk right through it. You're probably walking through billions of them every day. I'm just losers. So those could be possibly your residual type haunts.

Hobo. Instead of an intelligent hunt. So a residual hobo is good. The difference between a residual haunt and an intelligent haunt is an intelligent haunt will have the capabilities to respond to you if you call out to them. A residual haunt might be, you know, say

you had a routine every morning. and you went downstairs, you made a cup of coffee, and you got your paper, and you read your paper. That might be your loop for the rest of the life. And you might, a paranormal team might see this or witness this, but that's all that they're going to get. Right. So what about, yeah, I guess what about like a homeless,

a hobo, a punk rocker, a pothead? These people are just going to kind of just... A doper. Disipate into just... Well, I feel like some of them have pretty strong. wills. Again, it depends on the will. Yeah. Yeah. Like a punk rocker would have the

will to dismantle the system. Like break glass and, well, like break glass of establishments. To somebody that had those lives, you can think it with this way. They might have a whole different perspective in the afterlife and they may want to try to communicate with you

in any way, shape, or form. Yeah. We were hearing these pops. We've talked about the pops. We've been here. Although it's been probably 20 minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Since we heard one. Also, did the air conditioning turn on? Yeah, it did. Yeah.

Actually, you want to stand up? It's fine. It's fine. It doesn't pick up too much. Not too worried about it. I was just worried. I heard the AC starting up. I thought maybe it was a spirit.

Those ways to communicate could vary. Depending on how you were in this. Yeah. Like the ghost of a hipster might be like, Latte, please. Where I would be, because I'm more, Don Pardo. Well, that could be, if Don Pardo was a hipter. Well, if Don Pardo died, we did.

If you said a lot, if you said latte, since I'm kind of like, you know, a dad joke guy, I'd be like a little A, you know. A little way. I'm glad you saved it. I know, I guess. I found it in there. Bumped that mic. That's right. Okay, so that's interesting.

Or the ghost of a woman might be like, ooh. A holloman. A ghost of a lunch lady might be. It sounds more like there. Here's your lunch. Ghost of the studio. You know what would be... Ugly lunch.

To me it would be interesting would be to collectively save you know, all of these... If we could get everybody to communicate and work together, save and share their findings to see if those match up what we're talking about. Right.

Yeah, why are people so resistant to doing that? Oh, who knows? Yeah, why is there not a kind of an open database where we can post detail I believe there is so you can probably go to certain sites to be able to find certain EVP that you might want to hear

but some groups are super secretive about what they do I still get the point in that because you're keeping all this great information exactly declassify disclosure there's some just turn my mic off sorry

there's some it was a ghost there's some things I've done we also operate on a on a confidence yet like a doctor you know we we operate oh so so it's kind of like a medical record yeah it's for some and you you ask permission if they say we don't care what you do with it then we'll put it out there on for anybody who wants to hear it well we used to have it on our

websites and stuff which are no longer up but because i'm not really i'm with a different group now so if we were allowed to post we would share away but not all groups think the same well what about like a resource kind of for other investigators, like a database. I would love to see that. I don't know that there is one, but I think that's a great idea.

I think that's something we could move toward in the future. Yeah, that would be great. I had a question, just this popped into my head. When, um, uh, do you think that

can different spirits, do they interact with each other? Or do they really just see us? I think if it was me, based on my experience, now granted, you guys know, no, the audience doesn't necessarily know. I've been doing this for over 17 years now. So I've experienced a lot, you know. And a lot of my opinions I'm giving on this podcast are based on my experiences, right?

So with that being said, yes, I believe in both of what you said. Gotcha. So they can interact with you, so they can. I don't believe all, but I believe some. They can get in fights and stuff. I don't know about fights. But, I mean, who knows? They're on the same team.

Look, maybe it's like prison. Maybe you get there, and they're like, did you... Who's the toughest? Yeah, who's the toughest guy? Maybe they're like, you got to go hang out with these others. But are angels and demons fighting? So, I mean, if they are, then... Oh, like the prophecy.

Yeah. So then why can't any other spirits fight amongst themselves? Yeah. Yeah, that's, I guess, what I'm saying. Yeah. You know, maybe if you do something, If you have such a shit life Or if you have so little will

Maybe they get beat up Or human dirt Or shut down Maybe they show you down Where you can't communicate If you wanted to Yeah that's true Someone they keep talking over you

Trying to go Hello I'm here I want to communicate with you And another ghost is going Nah nah ma ma ma That'd be the Karen ghost Yeah exactly Do you

So when you talk about Strong-willed people I'm thinking about Just personally Like the rock is going to have a serious We should be afraid when he dies probably We absolutely should

He's like that guy's got so much will Yeah, because we're at the place he's gonna haunt Oh my God I really hope he doesn't die in his Scorpion King costume You know what happens when you hit When you grab the Rock's ass right? What? You hit Rock Bottom

Oh man That is true Sorry What happens when you grab his cock? You Oh no, come You come Oh God

Cock bottom Is that cock bottom? I think it's rock cock I think it's rock cock I think it's a rock I want to change the subject here please

as I'm curious yeah actually you know what now that I think we were kind of doing something awesome there for a little bit I'm curious

I was maybe a clip on YouTube but okay but I do like the idea of you know the being scared to the rock spirits you know yeah no because he's somebody

who he wakes up he sleeps two hours a night and his side partner Kevin Kevin Heart. Absolutely. Can you imagine him as a spirit? Yeah.

Holy moly. Well, but he would small in spirit, but not small in, like. Stature. Maybe he would, he would get bigger. And persona and everything else, you know. But that'd be, I mean, as far as ghosts that haunt your house and your life, Kevin Hart's got to be up there because of the comedy. I think, and I will say that he's large in spirit.

Yeah. I would not mind. He's a big little man. I would not mind him at all. He's hilarious. He's very funny. He doesn't like Kevin Hart. I would be really scared of the rock

as a ghost, especially if I had grabbed his cock before he died. I'd think he might have a bone to pick with me. Well, before you died, if you grabbed his butt, you really have hit rock bottom. That spear's going to latch on to you. That's right. I'm going to latch on to him. Watch out of the rock. I'm coming for you.

Oh, God. When you demonstrated on Patrick, do you say it would look like the rock? You look exactly like the rock to me. Well, I'm so moan. But I am really curious if what you think. Oh, it's Dwayne's Johnson. It's Dwayne's Rock Hard Johnson. Now we're going to have to go.

We got to go do a hole. Yeah, all of that. We have to cut between. Okay, we dweined his rock hard Johnson. We dweened his Johnson. Is that what you want? You dweined his rock of all his Johnson. That's good.

I love that. Okay, we did. All right. Okay. What do you think? Do you think, what's going on with witchcraft? Is that real? Are you a good witch?

I'm not a, I don't claim to do anything. Why are you, what's wrong with you? Oh, no, I believe in it. I don't want anything to do with it. Sure. That's just out of mind. Do you believe that there's such thing as, as he said, so rudely, like a good witch? I believe that's even real. I believe there's a good witch and a bad witch.

Just one of each? I mean, I believe in good and bad witches. Oh, gotcha. I believe they exist. And it's still going on? Which is the practice of that, absolutely. I have friends that are claimed to be... Oh, okay.

And can you... So I guess what we've always learned from media is you can tell the difference physically, right? So a good witch is blonde and a bad witch is usually... I haven't heard that. I know you can tell them, you know, in their demeanor. Yeah, but they... Obviously.

Right, an evil witch is usually like... Well, you say that, but not necessarily. Yeah, but a good witch could be extremely nice to you. True, like Hansel and Gretel. Yeah. And then build a voodoo doll of you and, you know. Oh, man. Oh, yeah, that's just a ploy to get your hair.

That's something we haven't talked about. We talked a lot last time. Yeah, we had a lot of things. But voodoo was not ever... We talked about cryptids last time, right? Yeah, we did a lot of cryptic stuff. I want to cover new ground, too. Yeah.

What is your feeling on voodoo? So we were talking about the Ouji Board, too. Yeah, that's true. We haven't, I don't think we talked about Ouji Boards last time. Let's talk Ouija first. So here's my take on the Wii. This is my opinion. This is for anybody listening, and I stand by this opinion.

The Ouija board, I don't practice. I've used it once and on an investigation, and I'll never use it again. What you're doing is real. I don't care what people say in the comments. This is my opinion on this, and I stand by it. If you use this thing as a tool, you better know how to use it, and you better know, I would strongly advise to use it for a specific, if you're trying to reach someone's name, reach that, try to read.

Because if you're just calling out to anything and anybody, you're opening Pandora's box. You really are. Especially if you're in a home when you think it's haunted. And you've already had experiences of it being haunted. That's the same thing as us paranormal investigators doing an EVP session. Same thing. Mm-hmm.

Okay? So, yes, it's a game by the sense of it being a game. It comes in a box. Yeah. But what you're doing... Hasbram does make it. Yeah. But what you're doing is real.

Yeah, definitely. So that's my take on the Ouija. So if you do use a Wii. Ouija board in a place where you think it's haunted, you should know the spirit's name first? I would know everything about anything you're doing, every bit of research. That's what that's an experts only.

Yeah, research everything first before you use. And know how to close it. Yeah. You know. I used a Ouija board in high school at my... Really? I never knew that. Yeah, yeah, I used it one time at my girlfriend's house.

And we were... It was me, her, and her friend, and we were doing it. And we only got to the name of the spirit, and it was Gub, Gub. Now, does that, now, Gub, is that, that strike you as... Because that's one where we stopped, because we're like, that's not even almost a human. What you do is Google it, and see what all comes up. Yeah, I haven't done that. Gub, paranormal.

Okay. Gub, G-U-B. Or G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G. Were you using it in the mirror? And it was, you were talking to a bug. Yeah, maybe you were... So here's why I, when I used, when we used it... So I've just Googled Gub-Gose.

and what comes up is privately made firearm, and it's a bunch of pictures of 3-D-printed of guns. So here's what I... Well, ask for the name, and it's saying... I'm sorry, I cut you. Go ahead. I cut you off. Well, I'm just saying that, you know, it could be a clue. It's intentionally leading you down a rabbit hole.

It could be. So, here's why I say that. So when we used it, and I used it with someone who knew how to open it and close it. A lot of these people using these things, don't close it. When you say open and and close it, it folds like a settlers of the canboard. Huh?

Doesn't it just, it falls? No, you have to, like, close out the game. Oh. And I don't know how to do that, but I don't remember. This was 15 years ago. I don't remember last week. So, that's hilarious. I saw that.

That's what came up when I could Google, Gob, paranormal. So when we used it, all mine did was come up with, we did the thing, and I was like, nothing's going on. It's just a bunch of numbers, right? I wrote those numbers down in sequence, right? And I googled them when I got home. And they were all kinds of religious and said, um meanings to those

I never used the regi board after that while we're on the on the subject of the we of Ouija boards uh we went a couple weeks ago we were in uh Portland Oregon we went to a goth nightclub called the coffin club I want to go it was incredible it was fun it was fun but the uh the dance floor was a Ouija board I mean as long as you don't have the planchette is that I think that's fine okay but that's just my, again, my bitch, I would love to have

a Ouija board, like, those carpets you can get. Those are kind of just, look. They're really cool. As long as you don't have multiple people's hands. It can, it can, it can't contact like a weed. It's the planchette is where the magic is, right? Right. Just, well, I won't say that. But yes, yes. You have to, my,

to my knowledge of it, you have to initiate it. So I guess what? What if someone's wearing like clear shoes? Like planchette type shoes. Yeah. I mean, as long as they're not, if they're sitting there walking on it and talking, you know, trying to call something out they just walk across it you know and again

it could be in a totally different context because it's just been painting on there may not be the true yeah I guess it's right it's like a replica so you say that everybody has some element of spirit in them that's what you believe right I believe yeah yeah and I think that's a pretty common belief

so spirit people oftentimes have a necessarily religions yeah of course people oftentimes have a hard time getting in touch with themselves do you think it is a worthwhile exercise to sit there, just one man, sitting at a Ouija board, asking yourself some questions, see where it goes. I don't even think you need the Ouija board to do that.

Really? You know, you can, you can... That's what meditation is. Absolutely. Meditation. So you would consider that a form of... It could be a meditation. You could be a meditation. Now, now, now, we can take this on a different, you know, if you're trying to get in touch with your inner self,

meditation, but if you think something is, attached to you or something of that nature you still don't need to weed or put up some audio devices

you know I don't recommend doing any of that stuff alone you know if you do if one of our listeners does find themselves

um the the vehicle on which a spirit decides to attach themselves what is the best way to get that spirit

off of your person first and foremost sage is good Sage. And what do they not like about sage specifically? The smell. Just stinks to them. It's kind of the opposite of sulfur. So, Smirits hate Thanksgiving.

That's probably one of the most interesting statements I've heard so far this year. I think most spirits are probably Halloween lovers. Yeah. Oh, is that why Thanksgiving? Who doesn't want to hear an unga-bonga from an EVB? Thank you.

Is that why? That's why Thanksgiving is after Halloween because you're gross the sage and the You're cleansing Yeah What is Thanksgiving

But a giant Native American Burial Ground Oh my God So some cultures may Love Some cultural spirits May love

Thanksgiving Some might not Pilgrims Yeah Maybe a pilgrim I feel like a pilgrim Spirit Will like Thanksgiving

A lot more Than a Native American Yeah Yeah Or a hungry Spirit Yeah But going back

Slimer Going back To get ridding thing Depending on your religion, there's demonologists and they're called different things in every religion. You know, you can have people come bless your home. You can have people, you can. There's things you could do that I don't necessarily recommend.

Like, I know, I've heard of, you know, beating pots and pans, you know, randomly at different hours of the night. But I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing because depending on the spirit, it might just make them mad. And you might get a neighbor attached to you. Or the cops. Yeah, you might get handcuffs attached. If you're an apartment building, I mean, I wouldn't know if I'd recommend that. But Sage, for sure, crystals, there's different types of crystals. Which crystals are the best?

I can't not remember. You'd have to go to a crystallologist. Well, you could just Google crystal protection. Okay. You know. If a spirit is attached to you, is there somewhere that you can go that the spirit could not follow you? Like, for example, if you were like, if you were, like, if you were, yeah, well, so better ideas than what you guys both said is maybe like the body. bottom of the ocean or outer space.

Do you think a spirit could follow you to either of those places? I would say yes. I don't think there's any... Again, if the spirit can attach... If the spirit can attach itself to you, it's got to be an intelligent enough of a spirit... See, I also feel that...

Again, this is based on my experience, okay? So I also feel that some spirits are locked and can't go anywhere. they are like in a house and that's where they're going to be i don't know why i have no idea why but i feel and i know that other spirits have free freedom to go wherever just because of all the evp we've gotten all over the place in my time so with that yes i feel like they could you know now they may be stronger in to be able to communicate in different places uh-huh just because of the elements around them yeah you know they're kind of

conduits around them. Because I have maybe an idea that if we can, if people are being attached on by demonic or scary spirits, I mean, maybe we can send these people to the moon, de-attached, use sage up there, bring the people back down, and maybe we can just send all the evil spirits out to another planet or the moon. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking. Do you, let's just get a Ghostbuster trap.

That might be easier now that I think about it. I don't know what a ghost. Do you know what that is, though? A ghostbuster trap? I have no idea. If I was to guess, it's, I'm sure it would be some sort of energy-based. Yeah, but you need DARPA for all that. Would you say, matter, energy? You know, who knows? It's like a vacuum into a hard drive, essentially, but with it on a ghost level. Right, using dark matter technology. This is a question I've always had, which I don't know. know if that even exists dark matter technology do you

uh it's called voodoo as far as you know oh wait let's talk about shay we didn't we left voodoo i want to talk about voodoo again do you have you ever had a voodoo experience so if somebody look if somebody no offense but you'd be a pretty easy voodoo dog well sure you know but if somebody was to make

a voodoo dog meat i would love for them to fix my back well i have the same problem yeah if you're going to stab me in the back could you do it with acupuncture ways and actually hit the right right at the right spot you guys both of you I guess because of

your family might be good candidates for a head shrinker what if there's a what if there's a look alike of some right so some of you he thinks I have a big head his head is Galen's face right then was priceless you guys are like crash test done all

of you guys maybe I think I'm a normal no you look like a bug you were an ant exactly like a bug yeah That's why a voodoo person would not want to shrink my head Because there's nothing You already have the worst physical situation

They would use your head to shrink Are we talking about beetles use head shrinkers? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that movie. They would use your head to teach people how to shrink heads. Your head is the animorph. It's the second to last stage in the animorph book about shrinking heads, yeah. Oh,

and bug. Okay. Yeah, both of those things. So an animorph, but not about turning into an animal. It's anamorph of a shrunken head turning into a bug. Our head shrinkers are real, yeah. I've never heard. A head shrinker?

I've seen there's photos of shrunken heads. I mean, I've never heard of other than... They would take heads and they'll... So that was a real reference then in Beetlejuice. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Can I pose a scenario here, a voodoo scenario? Yeah.

So somebody really hates, let's say, Pitbull, okay? Somebody really hates the singer-slash-rapper, Mr. Worldwide Pitbull. They make a voodoo doll of pit bull. They're sticking pins in his chest and his heart. Okay, then somewhere Someone is going to hear this and do this I hope nobody does that. Don't try this at home. Don't do that to pit bull.

And then somewhere in New York City A Pipple impersonator dies. Do you think this is possible? Do you think maybe that someone who looks a lot Like the Voodoo doll Especially if they didn't really know What they were doing. I would think that you would need to know a social security number

Okay Or an email address. For Voodoo dolls, don't you need like a strain of hair? Well, Pipple has no hair. Right, that's why I can't. That's why Cameron expertly picked him as an example. Maybe up there. You don't know what he's got down there.

Yeah, but what if he doesn't? That's true. He could have had it all laser removed. Here's my theory. No, he's got a little beard. He's got a little chin thing. Yeah, that's a tattoo. My thought is the more...

They call me Mr. Cleaner at work. Because you're a janitor? No, because I've cleaned cars all day. Oh, okay. I was close. I didn't know what you did. Yeah, that's all right. But they call me Mr. Cleaner,

because Mr. Clean is already taken. Right. Yeah. So Mr. Cleaner. Oh, cleaner than clean. Yes. Yes. Right.

Okay, so check this out. The more DNA that you can get from a person, the more accurate the voodoo doll is. So basically, if you take their eyes, their nose, their mouth, their legs, their arms, eventually you will have perfectly. Well, then you, but you replace all of their organs perfectly. And then the voodoo doll will be. able, yeah, exactly. And they immediately, they feel it. Yeah.

Yeah, that's a good point. But their original form is so, like, is so injured that it might as well not even exist. Well, it just becomes a clone then at that point, isn't it? A clone where the original is like ten. Oh, yeah. Well, what about a clone voodoo? Yeah.

Like you're doing voodoo on one. Well, that's back to the- If you did voodoo on a clone, would the clone and the original person get hurt? I just blew my mind Also, like, has anyone ever done something really nice to a voodoo doll? Like I said, like fix my back, you know? He's begging for it. Yeah, please.

Do you, uh, um, yeah, what do you know, any info on clones? Are they doing human cloning? I believe they, because they cloned a sheep. So, so without getting too much into politics, there are people that think that Biden is not Biden. Oh, I'm one of those people. I think he's branded. But they believe that the Biden versus the Biden that was before the presidency. It's obvious.

Biden is not an imposter. He was, especially recently. He was 600 years old six months ago, and now he's doing backflips. Yeah. Yeah. Makes no sense. I'm just saying, I don't know. What do you think of the theory that?

But I believe cloning is possible in humans. I absolutely believe that. Oh, it's definitely possible. I just think that some people think that no one would ever cross that ethical line. I think we've already crossed it. Mm-hmm. What do you think of the theory that, speaking of people in power, that some photos came out some weeks ago that were photorealistic, hyper-realistic masks of world leaders, Trump, Biden, Jill Stein, and they were basically saying these people are not actually even real people. Different actors are playing these people.

That's why they act different. I don't think they're actors. I think there's alien shapeshifters. Yeah. So that's more, you're more in that school of thought than that. Look, you know, people couldn't, I don't, in some things I'm, I joke around a lot about, some things I'm not, you know, I mean, it would not, let's put this way, if it comes out and that, the truth, and that's happened, I would not be shocked. The truth was really, I wouldn't be shocked, not one bit. You'd probably be shocked if it turned out that there were no alien shapeshifters, right?

Absolutely. Which, how do you even prove that? Exactly. I guess you would have to have... Jollybee is an alien shapeshifter. Oh, yeah. Yeah, let's hear this theory. So we talked...

Are you sure we got a minute? Yeah, tell us, yeah. So I saw that video, and my theory on Jollybee is that Jollybee is that Jollybee is an alien shapesifter. The reason that all their food tastes so good at that restaurant versus anywhere else, um, that food at that restaurant was banned, um, from his home planet. Why was it banned? from his home place. I don't know.

I don't know. Because it's human food. It's delicious human food. They bans it, but they're, and all the UFO, you know, sightings we're seeing, you know, they're transports from. They have been opening up a lot of new locations. They've been franchising out a lot more. Well, there you go.

They're spreading like a virus on the other. And, hey, you know what? Good. I'm not complaining. Yeah. It's just, you know. You put one next to my house. The first thing popped in my head when I saw y'all's videos like that guys.

alien. He does look like it. It's an alien bee. I've never seen a red bee. I mean, you know, come on now. Who else is going to come up with that but an alien? Yeah. A Filipino.

Filipino would come up with that, I guess so. Yeah. Where are they based out of? The Philippines. Oh, well, that's, I was like, well, that makes sense now. Yeah. Why would you randomly say that? He has some ideas about race.

He does. I'm a big, big respecter of the Philippines. There you go. There you go. I think you're going to say I'm a big respect of race. That too. Well, what else? Here you're trying to think.

Okay, here's one. Do you think robots could be real? They are. Well, they are real. Like, I mean, like. But now, that kind of robot, like that kind of robot. But our, what do they call? Cyborgs.

No, robotronics. Robotronics. A robotronics. Real. That's an alien race. Really? Okay. Oh, yeah, we were talking about that.

It makes them robotronics. I don't know that much about robotronics. And I'm not even sure I'm saying that right. There's a name for AI race of alien species. You could probably Google that. What do you say to the person who thinks... Supposedly out there, anyway. That ghosts and spirits and demons and aliens and AI is all within the purview of human consciousness.

And that there's nothing outside. of this presence, which is the human spirit. I'm talking to a friend of mine who's in the film industry, and we're talking about doing a show would be a fifth production about how all

of this is interconnected. But what do you say to the person who says, easy answer for why all that's interconnected is because it's all within our minds? Well, as in there's no actual phenomena happening outside of our perception.

Outside of the inexplicable nature of human consciousness. That's something I'd have to give a little more thought on. Yeah, I think you could also ask that question. It doesn't have to be about aliens and werewolves or whatever. You could probably say the same thing about hamburgers and hot dogs. Or just life in general. I think that that's kind of... Well, no one is wondering where those things come from.

I am. So wait. So wait, he really wants to know where's the beef. That's right. You kind of are dressed like you sell hamburgers. Yeah, you look like a Burger King guy. Do you think that if he died, he would make a ghost, or is he, like, too weak-willed and kind of just like a dust speck in the universe?

Let me tell you something. Is he too close to nothing? Is he kind of just, like, human detritus? Let me tell you, I've seen little guys beat the crap out of big, huge balzers in my day. Not this little guy. Are you talking about in another realm? No, I'm talking about right here. Like, when I used to own bet by my bar,

I have seen people that you would not think were able to do things. Have you ever seen those videos where people like lift up a car? Yeah. Have you ever seen a guy like me have sex with a woman like Doja Cat?

Pornhub. There's everything's on porn hub, man. I'm telling you. You saw you. him, fucking doja cat on porn hub? I mean, it might as well have been him, you know. Fucking doja cat, that's... Oh, my God.

I didn't really do you did that. Do you, um... Matt, have you ever seen... Is that kind of thing possible in another realm? Hey, look, they say that we all have an identical twin in this world. Doppel gangers. I have many doppelgangers. All of my doppelgangers are on porn hub.

Yeah. That's probably the... worst place to find your double. Oh, me, look, I'm just your average bald guy. I mean, so there's a million of those on Pornhub. I'm always searching just your average bald guy. Me too. You know, I'm not.

I just happen to just kind of scroll. They should make a program where you, like, NBA 2K, you scan your face in and it finds the closest porn star. I'm trying to scroll through all of them. Your crush's face in. Or your crotch. I have to scroll through all of them to find what I want to watch, you know, so, you know, they just happen to be, you know.

Is it mostly your search? for stuff about ghosts and aliens or is it mostly normal stuff um there's nothing normal on porn hub sex is not normal no no no absolutely have you ever seen somebody die um yes i've had you know i was a firefighter for 15 years yeah so yeah did you ever do you feel like when you saw that happen that maybe you you felt like when you've been around death i mean i didn't mean you get all serious also no you just answered caleb's serious I would have been offended if you had seen someone die and you said yes, but... No, no, no, just straight up.

Yes, on Porn Hope. Tushay, I see what you do there. The circle is now complete. Bringing it back to seeing someone die. Yeah, so when you saw somebody die, did you feel the sense that a spirit was leaving or created or something? Do you feel that when you're around? No, at the time, I'm just more concerned with... I wasn't able to save them.

Gotcha. Then, you know. Gotcha. Because I didn't do my job. Yeah. You know, so. Yeah. Because you wonder about, you mentioned earlier that, that one ounce or whatever that is in everybody that when you die at thing.

I can't remember the exact. Whatever the measure. Something. Yeah. That kind of, that weight, I was wondering if, if you're, when you're around somebody who dies, and I guess we just, we can only speculate, is it, do you, do you feel that weight leave the room or stay in the room? You know what I mean? Is that, like the, the, the.

Pressure almost changes. The times that has happened to me, I've had, I think, one, two, two die in my arms. I didn't think about that. I'm thinking about a million other things. Of course. Yeah, definitely. Because a million other things were happening around us

when we were on those. So one of died in my arm. Well, a few feet. We were trying to save a lady that... This is at my old studios. Oh, really? Somebody ran a stop sign, killed this lady in her car. Oh, that's awful.

Oh, my God. I was the only firefighter, and this guy that worked at the Good Shepherd House that was behind the place, he was a medic too. We heard the noise, ran out, tried to save her, brought her back, did CPR. She came back for a few seconds, and then she just went. Wow.

And we were still waiting on EMS at the time. had my I had pulled my truck up to block the road because I had lights on my truck and everything and to keep it from anybody else, you know, coming to interrupt the scene. So that was the second time, the first time it was at, I was actually on a call and we responded to a, to a car accident at the Bradley Creek Bridge. Wow. And she was, she was basically DOA and we're pulling her out of the car. There was nothing we could do

So you were a firefighter for many years, right? About 14 or 15 years? 15 years. And did you ever have any paranormal experiences? Were you investigating when you were also a firefighter? No, no, that all happened after. Oh, okay. Yeah.

And do you have, but do you have, did you have any experiences? I mean, I feel like firehouses are usually, there's some spirit siblings around there. So we've investigated a firehouse. Really? Yeah. Was it ever one that you? We did not find. find anything in this particular fire house no did you ask them like has it they asked us

to come and they asked us to come investigate because really that i was actually fire i kept hearing an alarm or something well they they thought they just didn't want to stay there overnight there's people there so they asked the chief knew me through the fire department and they asked and knew i was an investigator and asked us to come in and investigate the place and we didn't find anything we didn't nothing so what is that like that feeling of we just spent all the this time, money, resources on an investigation. Don't really find anything? Is that ever disappointing or is it just, we'll try again next time?

No. So, this is what I don't like about the shows, you know. These shows have to deal with ratings and this, that, and the other. So everything has to be exciting all the time. And it's just not the case. Folks, it's not, this is not how it has. Yes, we have come across places that were haunted as shit, right? but it's not like it's it doesn't happen every single it just doesn't happen you know i'm sorry but i'm

i don't mean to spoil you know most of the times we disprove and debunk things yeah you know we really do and um but you know why and then people go why do you do it well because you know it's a passion we help the community we give people peace of mind we get to meet really interesting people we get to do things that a lot of people don't get to do we get to go places a lot of people don't get to go and um all of that in my opinion is a part of it you know and and we were talking about this earlier and i feel strongly about this as well you know if you're wanting to be involved in the paranormal and to just go out and get scared and watch the little meters light up you're missing the big picture yeah and what i do just said is all part of the big picture in my opinion. It's better to come at it with like almost the scientific research minded. Just everything.

You get to hear stories that aren't on in history books. You know, you get to hear all kinds of cool hand-me-down stories and it's just, you know, it's just a great field to be in. If you do it in a respectful manner and you will continue

to get work and you will eventually have an experience. I think that that's a beautiful sentiment to maybe to wind down here. I have a few final questions. Have you ever investigated a place and have been like, oh, thank God

that place was not haunted? Absolutely. Yeah? Like a place that seemed like it would be very scary. And let me tell you, just because the house is old, just because the house is old doesn't mean it's going to be haunted, okay? You know, that's a, you know,

that's a movie thing, you know. And nine times out of ten, usually it's land-related more than it is home. related you know there's a there's a history with something that was there before the house was even built you know i guess let's just i mean speaking of land right sea kind of the opposite do as pirates seem to have a lot of stories about well that's so you know what i'm talking about they seem to have a lot of stories yeah pirates are ghosts they have a lot of stories about ghosts and stuff i see what you did there do you are pirate is there certain professions i guess that are just a little

more prone to ghost becoming a ghost. Probably a paranormal investigator. Yeah, do you think you'll be a ghost when you die? I hope so. Yeah, you seem to have a strong will. I mean, I'm... Do you think that maybe that's what all this is about

is you're trying to accumulate... The will to be a ghost later? I mean, it very well could be, because, man, I'm a prank like all kinds of people when I'm a ghost. If you prank me, and no offense, I really hope you die before I do. No offense taken.

And if you prank me, I would... would feel kind of flattered. I guess if I ever get pranked by a ghost, I'll probably assume it's you if you're... Honestly,

there's all kinds of spirits out there. They're not all angry or all sad. Like, some people think there are. They're playful spirits. We've had people, you know,

go to people's houses where they just like to move objects, you know? Like pick up your car keys and set them somewhere else. To me, that's a playful spirit. That's not somebody out

to try to get you, you know, or whatever. How much dexterity does that take, though, A lot. Yeah. I mean,

it must take like centuries of discipline. A lot. Yeah. That's case. Did you ever see the movie goes when it's with Patrick Swayze? Mm-hmm.

Yes. Like, magnify that times like a thousand, you know, when he was learning how to ride on the, you know, to move and pick up an object

and move, yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's crazy. Yeah, absolutely. I guess I, I mean,

unless anyone, I have one big. You can end. I have one more. Do you think there's any truth to the myths of,

of the Greek and Roman gods, Mount Olympus. I mean, there's, what was the volcano that are, you know, Pompeii, was that? Pompeii. I mean, that's, I think that's all, I think there's connections there. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess it's a, there's so many stories, you know, cyclopses. I think there's some truth. You know, stories get twisted over time.

You know, you've seen, you know, the, you've heard jokes about the grapevine, where it says something at the beginning of the grapevine. By the time it gets to the end, it's, you know, it's completely, you know, skewed, you know. So, but there's still some truth to it. So I think there's some truth to, yeah, to any of those myths. I agree. I think there's a, there's some kind of... Yeah, I guess every, you know, every myth has its similar kind of grooves to it.

Definitely. But, yeah, I guess my last question that I have is, what do you think would happen if an Autobot versed a Decepticon? I mean, Optimus Prime would just kill it. everybody so octopus prime optimist yeah yeah well um i guess that wraps it up yeah i mean yeah you go ahead plug your plug your shit okay so um oh gosh i don't even know where to start uh go check out eep rhabi spencer is the founder of that group where can you find on facebook i think they have a website but definitely on remind us what that stands herey expedition's paranormal

okay cool um they're based out of fouquet but we go pretty much any you know we're going a lot of places we were at lake shawney abandoned music park about a month and a half ago and is that like a you have public footage of that yet or is uh we're working on it cool we're working are they're working i'm excited to see that i am not in a i don't run a group i am that is his group he's the founder i am an investigator in that group uh good group good people a diverse group just it's just a great bunch um if we do another one um might have more info on the four productions that I'm working on. I'll say three of them are

paranormal related and one of them's gaming related and as soon as I have information on those to where you can go check out trailers then we'll do another episode you can play. Yeah, absolutely. But keep it, keep an eye out, keep an eye to the sky. Right, right, and I guess I'm doing some music for y'all.

Yeah, yeah, so look out for that. DeVita Studios. Do you, uh, where's, is there, like, do you have a hub, you have a website? I'm working on it. Okay, cool. I'm working on it, but I do have a Facebook page, Debita Studios on Facebook. And I have a YouTube page DeVita Studios. I only got one song on it, but I do have a page.

Check all that out. Yeah. Yeah. We'll put it in the description. Definitely. A little plug for us. And as we get more, there's getting ready to be a, I'm working on all of those pages now, I'm working on an IMDB page for myself as well. I do all my music through BMI for Matt DeBita and DeBita Studios.

Let's see, what else? That's enough, though, right? Yeah, that's great. And then I guess I appreciate that. A dual plug here in a little bit. We're with Matt. We're going to go investigate a haunted museum. We're going to make a video out of that. And if you'd like to see the exclusive premiere of this video,

you should buy a ticket to our live show in Brooklyn on Halloween night. Do we want to say where it is yet? Yeah, it's at the Bell House. Oh, the place will work on. Do we want to keep that secret? Maybe let's keep it under wraps. Yeah, we're going to keep that under wraps. But look forward to it.

And if you want to see that, you better come to the live show. Halloween. Come check that out. Halloween night. Swagpoof.com slash shows. Tickets are up. Yep. See you there.

Yeah, see you there. All right. Thanks, Matt. Thank you. Appreciate us. It's fun again. Once again. Wave goodbye.

Bye. Perfect, dude. Thank you again. Yeah, yeah. That was good. Thanks for tolerating the stupid questions. No, no. I mean, the flow was all, it was good.

Yeah, it's always a blast. Yeah, we're always... We've got an investigation coming up at the museum of the bazaar. and I could really use you guys' help. This is the Museum of the Bazaar. By day, a $3 admission museum of the bazaar. Apparently there was some tragedy. We should be concerned.

There's been 12 confirmed deaths. I wouldn't go in there if you paid me. What happened to your old team? I'd rather shouldn't. Guys, I'm really scared. They weren't brave like you. Are you real? Oh my god.

Oh my god. The first time we heard it, I was like, okay, roof creaking maybe. I felt that was following us. Why were you murdered? Why did you die? Did you hear that? I heard a fucking voice. I don't know.