Podcast About List - Ep. 345 - The Four Principals of Music ft. Will Anderson from Hotline TNT

Episode Date: July 2, 2025

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Damn. Very crisp clap. That was a really good clap. What up, Will? What's going on? Thanks for having me here. Yeah. Thank you for coming, dude.

Of course. Yeah, look at the, we've re-done the studio. I don't know if you know. People can't see it, but move some stuff around. It's all in flux. It has been for two years. I poke my head in when I walk by and it looks good in here. People do.

You know what? This is, I would say that this, this right here is, this is Ridgewood royalty. Yeah. Right here. These four sides. these four guys we're seeing around and about the record company

asked me to go and do a few of these every album cycle and I thought this would be I wanted to make sure I liked that you did the last album you did Joy Tactics and then you had to step up to the yeah we're upgrading

yeah yeah yeah naturally you need to bring in the big guns for the album cycle yeah and that's probably the last good episode of that show I haven't watched it since yeah why would you

yeah why would you I don't see why you would Tell me about when you, something that is always hard to imagine is, if you make an album, how do you name all the songs? That's honestly like one of the hardest parts. I would think it would be like the hardest part. Do you ever go, I mean, do you ever try to maybe just make one funny one? yeah there's this funny i mean even like on the new album there's a song called the scene and i knew that people were going to latch on to that one just just on the name the name

and they are seen but never know something crap i never go fart or something uh i wouldn't be able to get away with that really who's stopping yeah it's the record company man that they don't let me do stuff like that why not can't have one song called one long fart one hour is not that vulgar i feel you spelled it with a ph i think it'd be too on brand like they want to try to like grow the business a bit. What about pussy? It could work. Pussy, I think would be good.

The first album had a parental advisory sticker on it. Oh, nice. We haven't gotten to do that since. That must be so awesome as a musician to get that. It's a good feeling. Is there a wait list to get one of those?

There's a system. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's like the taxi medallions. You have to buy it off of someone else. Everybody who has one now is on suicide wash.

So you like cussing? on songs? If I can, yeah, it's fun. I remember my dad asking me that when I was a little kid. He was like, would you guys ever swear if you had a band? I was like, probably. He said, fuck, yeah, dad. I saw an interview

with Pink Panther's recently. I'm a big Pink Panthers fan. Me and him both, actually. I don't know her music, but I like her a lot. I watch a lot of her videos. Very pretty. I love the music and the figure. Yes. She did a, she did a song recently that the chorus is like

if you want sex to me sex with me come talk to me and I personally I was a little bit scandalized at that lyric for some reason and I was like I'm sure she's talked about this because she doesn't really talk about it's nasty stuff like that in her songs and she had a thing where she was like yeah

I was really hesitant to put that song to put the word sex in it but then I did it was originally if you want to hang out with me yeah if you want to hang out with you then come talk to me but in England that means a different thing Yeah, mean sex. Sex still.

She actually, I just saw, I think it was yesterday, she kind of put out a statement about a meme that's been going around with her face. I did see. I saw that. Yeah. What meme? It's out her eye. It was,

or I thought that what I saw was she had a question. She said, what is this? Where did it come from? Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. I like when people break the fourth wall.

What was the meme, though? It was her face looking all. Her face. It's kind of looks like this. She's like, she's doing a poot lovote. She's doing a poot. she's pulling a poot

yeah we're trying to bring that back you remember poot lovato no i don't know put lovato what's that wait i'm gonna show your ass so basically i sent him the wikipedia page there's a Wikipedia page there's a whole page for it it was a very big back then pool by the way I've typed put lovato

there's like 50 searches that I've already done before poohovato is real this one it was just a very kind of bad photo of demi and then someone said that's her their their sibling

Putt Who lives in a basement Yeah It was kind of like That one didn't make the rounds On my timeline as much I have seen it But it didn't overtake it or anything

You're not really into memes that much I am I am Your big memes What's your favorite meme? Oh right now it's the pink You know The pink face

Pantas okay Looking both ways What about all time You put me on the spot I mean Good guy Greg I mean yeah The guy looking the other way

when the girl Oh, that's a classic time. That's probably. I would say that's a little, that's a little newer. I'm talking,

I'm talking like impact font. Okay. I'm, that was kind of impact error. The guy looking the other way. Advice, advice animals. We're talking to advice animals.

Yes, yes. For me, I, I'm a rage comics guy over an advice animals. Fah. I think,

yeah. Fah. Yeah. Is there. Fah. Dirpino was five. What's up with, is there a chip monk,

like turning a dramatic. Dramatic. Dramatic. I'm going to go dramatic chipmong. Okay, so that's real old school. Yeah, I've been around for a while. Okay, all right. That's one of a kind.

That is a one of a kind video. They never were able to recreate it. They tried. They have tried. Many have tried. Yeah. Well, you know, it wasn't even a chipmunk. That was one of the problems.

Really? Oh, yeah, it's a prairie dog, isn't it? There's a big issue. Yeah, yeah. So it was a translation issue, I believe. Yeah. Where is that from? Japan, I think.

Yeah. There's Japanese all over that. Yeah. Not the, writing. Not the, speaking. Yeah. Yeah. So the sands is time, you don't remember.

Someone never unmuted it. What do you mean? It goes, that's all there is. You've never seen the full clip. I have not seen. I'll admit it. I haven't seen the full clip.

Yeah, that's a good noise. That's a prairie dog's noise when it turns around. We just got back. The actual audio would be. Just got back from Japan. Oh, yeah.

You've ever been there? No, no. We've been wanting to go for a while. I'm planning to go. I'll be planning to go. How was that? Trip of a lifetime. Did you go do shows in Japan?

Or did you go to do shows in Japan? shows in Australia and then go to Japan. No Aussie this time. Thank God. You don't like it there? I've never been. Oh. Yeah. Just Japan.

Five shows. Yeah. Can't wait to go back. You see the Teddy boys out there? Petty boys. You know, like, the guys that are like, they dress up like super 1950s and then they like wax their pompadores up like crazy. We did.

Yeah. We went to do it every Sunday. It's so sick. It's one park in Tokyo. We did go. I have some footage from that. They do it on Sundays. They have a day when they dress Sunday.

same time boy sunday it's crazy yeah are they like rough and tumble or they're like fashionable i think they're scary because i think they're trying to be scary i think they at this point it's kind of gentrified enough yeah that's what i can tell it's like we weren't going to try to get involved but they knew we were watching yeah yeah it was fine how many of them would meet up like at least 20 30 more maybe and when they meet up they could still be scary they just look at each other they dance there's like a oh okay what kind of you heard they dance too it's like a rockabilly thing Oh, okay, that's cool. Jill, Jill knew about this.

I did no idea. Do they listen to American rockabilly or is it a Japanese type of rockabilly? I want to, if it is, I want to hear it. I'd have to go back and look at the tape. Yeah, I was, I was just fixed. Yeah. Yeah, we'll review that one. What was the most amazing but yet strangest food that you had in all of Japan?

Well, 7-Eleven is awesome over there. I watched tons of videos. I mostly see the Korean ones, though. The Korean 7-Elevens are pretty crazy. But I think it's a very similar way. I mean, yeah, there's, there's definitely like, I guess you could call them bodegas if you're going, 7-11, Lawson and Family Mart or the big three over there. Okay. I got the sense there was like a, you know, ongoing battle, jockeying for position of those three.

It's not tiered like grocery stores in America. These were equals to me, from what I could tell. Lawson happened to be my favorite because they had the, I'm a big Kit Kat guy. Oh, yeah. The different flavors. Yeah. And there was like a seasonal variant at Lawson that I got everywhere I went, which is like a cherry blossom get cat. What does it taste like?

Cherry. It was just like, it was like kind of like white chocolate with like a hint of cherry. And it was, yeah, they have like the cherry blossom festival. I'm getting hungry now. I didn't eat all day. I just even talking about it. And then I came back here and it's like, all right, Trader Joe's, like, no, no, it's fine. I went to Trader Joe's today, man.

And I got, actually, it's in my bag. I got dried mini bananas. Dude, bust it out. You don't want to see. Come on. No, no, first to eat. Yeah. All right.

We're doing first. You can't see. We're all saying we're so hungry. He said he's got food in his bag. He's not going to share. I have an Ubi Jojo right before I came here. So I'm good. Those are good.

I like what the Trader Joe's is doing with the Ube stuff. I do say I like that. Oh, yeah. A lot. So I haven't had that in so long. You may like how these. You may like how these tastes. You're not going to like how they look.

I actually can't eat that. Why? of my teeth. Dried baby bananas. Oh yeah. He got his wisdom teeth out last night. Pull one out yesterday. Have you,

do you have yours out? I do. Yeah. How was the experience? I can't. It was in high school when this happened for me. I remember being fairly painless. Yeah.

It was not as bad as I expected. Yeah. Whoa. I had like. That looks like little white dog poop. This looks like a beach on freeze poop. It doesn't taste all that good either. can you eat bananas?

Yeah, I can eat bananas. What do you think of the flavor? It's actually pretty good. I actually do. I like these a lot. You like these a lot? Yeah. Dude,

they're trying to get them. Yeah. I pawned those off on you successfully because that's nasty. You pawned them off over there. You're not allowed to eat dirt. You get one. You get one baby banana. You can have one one little snack.

Yeah, well, I got my wisdom teeth out yesterday. They were pulling them out and one of my teeth flew across the room. Oh, my. my god yeah they had the pliers and they were doing the thing where they're going and then they went and it it i i didn't see it but i heard it i heard it clatter against the wall and then i heard the dentist just go like oh and then not say anything and just keep going and then afterwards i looked and i saw the tooth was on the floor did they let you keep them no i was going to ask and then i was it was too late when by the time i was i asked to keep mine were you on some drugs

No, I just had Novakane, so I was just super numb. I couldn't really talk, which I went to, I went to CVS after to, like, get my antibiotic prescription for it, and my mouth was still just completely numb. I, like, couldn't feel it or control it really, and I was waiting in line in CVS at the pharmacy, and behind me, there was a little kid in a stroller, and he was playing with a little, like, ball, like, he had a little ball, and he was, like, playing, and he, like, threw it, and it, like, went on the ground near me, and I was like, oh, and I, like, leaned down. down to

to pick it up and it's a bunch of blood just poured out of my mouth. And I was oh God. And I just

the mom did not see and I just turned around and pretended I didn't see the ball. Did you get blood on the ball? I did not get blood on the ball

but I got blood all over the CBS carpet and I just yeah I just like turned around. I mean at least it was the carpet

like they can't like tell it's just like this is fine green it did not happen. It's okay. Oh yeah.

The carpet already looks like that anyway, too. The carpet already looks like someone drizzled. Yeah, someone put like some liquid from their body all over it. Yeah. But then I was just trying so hard not to laugh for the rest of waiting in line because of what had to just happen. Because I didn't want to be laughing and also because I knew if I laughed, blood would come out of my mouth again.

Bubble. Yeah, a blood bubble. I had a nice moment the other day that you guys probably might have had similar ones kind of riffing off that. Do you ever have that happen where you see a lady with a stroller on the subway? way, stairs, and like, I got you. I just got the bottom. It feels

awesome. It does for it. Yeah. But then they swat your hand away. Yeah, sometimes. I know it. It's like once or twice a year I get to have that. Yeah. Well, you have to go for the right part of the stroller. Yeah. Yeah. You don't go for the baby's head. That's a bad move.

I've made that mistake. Yeah. The strollers heavy. So I'll let you take that. I'll carry the baby. That does feel great, but what feels even better is just walking right by them. I don't hear you, I can't see you. I'm on noise cancelling mode. I didn't even notice.

There was one time, I think I was going to Union Hall or something. And you know how Union Station has like those like two stairs at the end like right when you walk out? I like help the lady up and then walked away. And then she like screamed for me and was like, excuse me. And then pointed at the two steps. Like I forgot. I was like. You did forget.

Yeah. Well, like I forgot. But I was like, you know, like I forgot. But I was like, I can. You're almost home. Yeah. Did most of it for you. Also, it does feel maybe you're stepping in where maybe a husband should be.

Exactly. Where's your husband? Yeah. I say, you know, this really isn't my place. I shouldn't be doing this. You better, next time, you better have a husband with you. Don't let anyone see me doing this. I would put on a mask, but you'd fall in love with me.

And I can't do this right now. This kid is way too young. Speaking of Huzz, you heard this going around lately. Huzz. I'm new to this. Yeah, I learned about this the other day. I also learned about chopped. I learned about both of these in the same day. At the same time.

So Huzz is actually short for, not even short, it's the same as Hose. Right. Yeah. So that, but I thought it was a husband thing. But chopped means ugly. Yeah. I like that. Yeah.

I don't like that. Did we teach you that? Yeah. You taught me chopped and Hose. There's a new husband among us in Ridgewood, though. My best friend got married this morning. Congratulations. Shout to him.

were you at the were you at the no slept through it but there's a dinner after this I'm going to like a little dinner oh nice where at casino what's called you know about this

no no I don't know about this I don't either it sounds like a casino to me I know I guess I'll check it out but yeah I'll see I'll check it out for a few minutes yeah but I did the casino are you you have a ring there yeah your husband I am a husband

I'm the only one who's not I just have a girlfriend, you know. You guys are stupid. We're boyfriends. Yeah. You're your boyfriends? Wait. That would be an interesting couple, actually.

Because usually with gay men you have they, it's a bit of an opposite to attract. And I would say that you guys are a little too close to each other. And also a lot of time have. Or clone. Or clones. Yeah. Or clones. I believe they call that the urge to merge.

Urge to merge. Exactly. I've never heard that. A little slang for you. I have not heard that either. I'm a slang junkie. Okay. Huzz.

I'm learning. I'm learning so much for me. I'm going to use Huzz. As a slain junkie. Where are the Hose? Because you've been saying Hose a lot. Hose and it's finally. We've got to move on.

Let language evolve. You know. Huzz. Yeah, I think about that sometimes how long. What was the last thing that's like Huzz or chopped that really stuck around? Bay. Riz.

But we don't, I think we do, Riz the jury still. still sticking around. I'm telling you, I mean, like, 10 plus years. Yeah, since like 2014. Yeah, let's see. What was, what came around in 2014?

Do you remember when extra became? Yeah, see, that's gone. It's gone, but I remember when that came up, I was like, extra like what? You're an extra in a movie or something? I didn't get it for a long time. That one I didn't really like. But Huzz, you're early on. Huzz I'm on.

Yeah, really in Huss. What else we got? All the new slang is a lot better than the slang from when I was a kid. That's what I'll say. I know that for sure. When I was 20, like 2014, like in high school and like on fleak happened, I was like, that sucks. I think high school, I think, I think, Ratchet too.

Yeah. Ratchet. Ratchet. I'm okay with Ratchet. I'm okay with Ratchet. Ratchett. It didn't stick though. It didn't stick though.

I'm still saying ghetto. Yeah. Yeah. It's eventually you revert. Yeah. Before, I mean, before Ratch, when, what, when we were like 2000, we were saying ghetto all the time. Exactly.

And then we had three, four years old. Yeah, dude. That's what that was my first one. Geto this, getto that. Yeah. Then Ratchet came around. Now I'm saying Ratchett I was

I was talking to my friend Matt Palmer this morning about this guy who's we know who's Gen Z my cousin is Gen Z and he says do with it does he think we're cringe and I was like

I don't think they even say cringe anymore dude do they say oh cringe that one is stuck around because that's an older yeah I remember I remember that one being kind of new

in high school the cringe compilation I remember the cringe is definitely here to stay but I doubt the Gen Z says it I think Huzz is gone it's already gone

it's already gone yeah I think it was less since we started. I think in the last 20 minutes or so. I'll be honest. I don't think it was ever really that around. Has it fully. I think, yeah.

I think it is a little blip. I just want one. I want to come up with one slang. Well, Cameron did. Yeah, you're jealous of Camerons. You definitely have. Yeah, if you're a slang junkie, you probably heard this one going around New York. Jungle Drop.

I haven't heard that one. You probably just weren't listening. What would you guess that means? Jungle Drop? Yeah. Is that something? Here, say it in a. sentence.

Yeah. Man, it's hell a jungle drop out today. Is that like bad weather? Like raining or something? It's close. It's when it's really hot and really humid. Okay.

There's a jungle drop. What's the drop part? Well, it's just like to make it cool. Yeah. You could just say it's hell a jungle out. I mean,

I was getting the Donkey Kong country energy. Yeah. I mean, you definitely have that attached there as well. It might have kind of you might have come up

with that when you were playing Donkey Kong. Yeah. No, I think that was pre-Donky Kong. Really? Because you and Julio we're playing that for a long time.

We played a lot of Donkey Kong, but I think Jungle Drop was pre- Donkey Kong. But I always thought Drop was like a drop of sweat. Yeah. You can see, that's the beauty of it. I thought it meant like, you know, there's a lot to be beautiful. You know, and there's like torrential downpour out of nowhere?

Uh-huh. That's what I thought the jungle drop thing was supposed to be. That's called the devil's beaten his wife. That's rain during sunshine. Rain during sunshine. We're only using a new slang, man. Well, that's, that is old slang. That is old slang.

But, yeah. I've been trying to figure out a follow-up to jungle drop, but it's hard not to be derivative. Well, that's the thing with slang, you can't force it. Yeah, it's just like, we're already. Jumble drop is just so natural. Yeah, exactly. It just happens.

Maybe that's what we're doing. Maybe to, no, because again, you can't force it. I was going to say, maybe today we've got this slang expert with us. Yeah. This is what you're doing. Junkie, okay. I love it. You can't make it, but you do love it.

I love it. I'm a fan. I'm just a fan. Guy, it just, it sucks that you can't force slang. It's just seriously slurpy. I don't know what that means yet, but I'm sure I will. Right, guys? Yeah, well, that was slurpy.

Wait, wasn't there was some Fortnite like slurp chug, chug, chugged? Chug, chug, chug, yeah, slurge. You were trying to get gooey-goey going for a bit. That's also. That's really slang. But I forget where you were using it for. Oh, yeah. You were like, you were saying, I'm so uly-goooo-goo-goo.

I've gone through different, I've gone through different phases of my I tried to do bonus for a while. Oh, yeah, we had bonus. That's just a bonus. That's not bad. Bonus is kind of derivative of extra. No, bonus is like... No, bonus is good.

Extra's bad. That's true. That shit was bonus. That movie was bonus. Oh, on shoe. Shoe, yeah. Shoe. We got a shoe for a little bit.

The opposite of cap. Yeah. Okay. And then there's also a reverse shoe, which is cap. Which is a lie. I heard a while ago, I've been trying to bring this into my own lexicon as like, someone will say like it's game over they'll be like rap rap rap rap rap not that's a rap it's a rap short and version just rap wow that's cool i like rap i miss that shot rap rap you know

i mean yeah yeah that is pretty cool but i was a substitute teacher for many years in new york and minneapolis public school so i got a lot of it like up close mostly directed at me nice goofy did you ever get oh yeah goofy you a goofy mostly like it was kind of in the time of like All right, Mr. Cap a lot, you know. Oh, you were teaching during Cap? Oh, yeah. You were Mr. Cap a lot. That was Captain America.

Whoa. These kids were torching you. That was, that was tame compared to some of the stuff I heard. Oh, my God. It built up a very tough exterior. I wish I did the bad stuff they said. I've intercepted notes. I still got in a file.

Were they about you? Oh, yeah. They were about you? Hirline, you know, everything. They called you hairline? No, I'm just saying, like, comments about it. I'm not going to repeat those on the pod. I can't believe that a kid would even know what that is. Yeah. Oh, it's big. I mean, yeah. I think Caroline is is big. It's like,

it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, the internet has blown everything. Yeah. Everyone I didn't have any awareness. I was pretty much, I had a bad hairline as a child. I didn't know what that was. Yeah. Same. I mean, I didn't, it wasn't, it wasn't a problem for me. Yeah. Hairline has definitely become more of a thing in recent years. My mom is a teacher. So I think she is, she is, she's a teacher for fifth grade. But I think she mainlines a lot of the slang, but I don't think she understands, I don't think, I think, I think it goes right through her. Yeah. She's never brought it home. I think, yeah, I think if I asked her, she wouldn't be able to respond. Your mom's never come home and like, that's Cap. You're not going home for Christmas. Camera got no hugs. Well, she wouldn't say that. I mean, she's an old head, I'm assuming. Yeah. I came in fairly recently and I had to kind of fend for myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah, I feel like at that point, she has a filter to be like anything that is not a normal word that I understand. What age were the kids you were. substitute teaching? I was K-12, everything. K-12. Wow. Middle school is

my favorite, to be honest. Did you ever have like a seventh grader after your last album came out, after your last album came out? Be like, dude, best new music? Honestly, that was kind of the end. I would have kept going, but because we were touring so much,

I didn't hit the threshold. They had to sub a certain amount of days. I just miss the cutoff. I couldn't do it anymore. So you never get, because if my substitute teaching, had gotten a best new music when I was like in ninth grade yeah that would have been yeah following him I don't I don't think it's the same anymore like there's probably I'm sure there's one or two but like at least in New York they they had no idea what pitch for media I don't

a rockers in New York dude nah I feel like that's a that's a senior year of high school yeah yeah yeah but that's when you discover that you're you're getting ready to go be a hipster in college yeah yeah well if you if you encounter that middle school or the hipster middle schooler that's a scary kid that is that is not like a kid you You don't want to get close to you. You don't want to let that kid continue to exist in his current state. 13-year-old with a fucking grizzly bear shirt on you. The one kid that I found out that I even play guitar,

like pulled up his chair next to me and I was like, no, you can this cannot. You don't want a part of this life at all, I promise. Run away, man. Stay in school. Don't come here. Dude, so that has to have been the most insane, like, Spider-Man Venom thing ever of being an educator and yet also a rocker.

Wow. Anti-teacher rocker. Yeah. Would you say you're anti- as a substitute teacher you're kind of trying to steal the jobs of normal teachers? So could we consider you

anti-teacher or are you taking a pro-teacher stance? I'm pro-teacher's union. Okay. Safe choice. Very safe for the pod. That's fair. Yeah, no. The teachers themselves,

if we could get maybe just one little quote about how teachers fucking suck. Or at the very least, maybe anti-homework. Well, honestly, how do you feel about homework? I see myself as more of like the principal in this. And if you can translate it. That's the worst thing you can be there.

I know. I have to be. I have no choice. I'm the principal. Oh my God. I'm going to scoop my chair away. I bring teachers in and. That shit's going on fader tomorrow.

Yeah. The teachers. I like T.D. calls himself a principal. I'm like the administrator of shoegaze. Oh, okay. I like that. I just brought it back. Yeah.

You're back in a big way. Um, But number one thing, you can't take your anger out on the students, aka the audience. Oh, wow. You really got a handle on this. This is a new metaphor. I've been tweaking in the studio.

Yeah, yeah. Because they're learning your songs. Yeah. Wow. The songs are the lessons. Songs are the lessons. Some songs have a lesson. Here's an actual question about your career in life.

When I think I met you when Jack and Eric director, that music video. Did you ever tell them maybe to not put the clip of me taking a shit on the toilet in that? You had nothing to do. Nothing to do for notes and you were like, hey, maybe not that guy

having a shit out. I think my penis is out. Your penis is out. Your pants are all the way down. I didn't fake it. I just was, well, I didn't shit. I didn't know that. Didn't know that clip even existed until

it was on YouTube. Yeah. Literally. Messages from people that I know from high school we were saying, why are you in this music video, taking a shit? Really? Yeah. Every single show we play now, at least one person says, like, Joy Tactics. That's why I'm here.

So we're hoping for, I want three for every, pod about this. You're going to get some weird and young people. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what kind of people are coming out off of the Joy Tactics. The people, well, this is a younger audience. Joy Tactics has the, do the Joy Technic guy have like the Patagonia Quarter Zip on and shit? They think they're all CEO Brian Thompson I've been to one of their live shows

That is a little bit their crap They all have Bluetooth your pieces Yeah, the people who listen to this show Are I think more listening to them Like Like, yeah, yeah, more in touch with the youth culture Yeah, they're a little mee, baby, big, big, big, yeah

Do you like that stuff? What are you talking about exactly? I don't really know You're talking about like Xavier's so based Dude, who's the new one? There's like the new X, no, the Oh, Netsbend? NetSpend.

There was like... Osama son. I got a message from, you know, my MBA group chat with like a cover of every, like the new class, freshman class. Oh, yeah. Who are the guys? Nespan. I know Nesbend.

I only, the only clip I saw of the double XL thing was... Why didn't you get an invite? Yeah, you should have been on there. I turn it down. Dude, you and you and Ian chopping it up. Ian, that's the long. I haven't listened to it yet, but I know about it. I haven't either.

He looks like my friend Tyler. Okay. So it makes me laugh every time I see it. Jesse Feynman tries to put me on. Oh shit. Jello, Leangelo Ball. Okay, yes.

That's why I was in the NBA chat. So that's sick. Yeah. I listened to that song the other day. I played it for my wife and I was like, how old do you think this is? She thought it was 25 years old. She thought it came out in 2000.

I was like, no, came out this year. Okay. Laser dim, 7,000. That sounds like something Jesse would put you on to. He probably tries. I feel there's a filter. Yeah.

I'm not going to see the text. Ray Vaughn. I don't know that one I don't know that one Samaricin Nino paid Low Shimmy 1900 Rugrat

I know him I like that name YTB Fat Baby Chief Do It Ian These are real names Yeah Okay

And Eam Triplin Who is the guy That was in jail Did you see The only clip I saw Is the clip of Ian Doing his freestyle And then they cut

To a guy Doing his freestyle From jail Did you guys see this No That's cool I've not kept up. Yeah, it's been many years.

It's just so the, you know what Ian looks like, right? Yeah, I know. Yeah, so it's just so funny that it's like that guy and then an actually, like a guy actually in jail. Yeah. It's just like the, the, we should put Ian in jail. We should put Ian in jail. I'm sick of his damn music. I don't like the name.

I don't like the name. Yeah. Nets spend is a good name. That's been a really good deal. And the Rugrat one I like that. I mean, Netspin. Who's there one? I've never listened to the album.

I like that all the name is badass kid. Badass fucking kid. Badass fucking kid is a cool. I like that they all have letters and numbers. Yeah. I like 40 spas. Have you seen that name? No.

It's spelled so cool. They're really doing cool things nowadays with the names. It's spelled cool. Why didn't you go with one of those types of names? Well, we did. We did. TNT. Oh, yeah.

I guess that is kind of started it in a way. Oh, really? It was kind of our thing. You replaced the O with a zero. Yeah, it caught on. And that's fine. You know, I didn't have you ever considered replacing the O with a zero? I haven't thought about that.

Maybe the eye with the one would be cool. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, well, actually, this is something we have to show you. Oh, yeah.

So, oh, yeah, I drew this the other day. Do you think that looks cool? What do you think this as it like an album art for like a rock? You asked me if the song titles were hired. This is the real.

That's the most important, just as important as the music. I think you have great album art. Thank you. So I was just thinking, but I was thinking like, you know, especially the new one has,

there's a lot of colors and stuff. Something real simple. You know, this is a piece. of dynamite or originally a firework. And then that's like maybe a frog. It looks like a frog. I would have thought, yeah. A goofy frog. Do you think

that this would, like any band, maybe even you guys would use something like this? Someone will. Definitely. I mean, this is a good album, Bert. Based on our previous body where I think would be a left turn that would get people's attention. So that sounds like a huge positive. Yeah. And you maybe

would be willing to pay a lot of money to use things like this. I mean, no. I'm asking you really. I'm not asking. I mean, you're supposed to get it. Well, I'll send it to the record company. Everything goes through them. And what's their email? I'll, yeah, it's Jack White at Thurban, I think.

This, I think, is great because he also has, he has, you can't really tell if his expression is happy or sad. Yeah. Wow. Besides the smile. But if you cover up a smile, then, yeah, it's hard to tell. A frog is very, you know, I think now it's a little safer, but for a while it's pretty hot to have.

To have a frog? And by hot, I mean, like, edgy. Oh, true, because of Pepe, the frog. Oh, yeah. I didn't even think about that. Our whole thing was a frog. Yeah, we have a frog. That's Sullivan.

I wish I were to look behind me before I agreed to do this. I mean, I know he has like a bowler hat on, but he's not like, he doesn't hate women. That's not Pepe. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. Also, I didn't even make the Pepe connection there with Sullivan. It's been, it's been like five years. We've been, six years we've been running with that.

I mean, it's fine now. Like I said, I think it's died down a bit. that. I think I was a documentary. I saw the documentary. I'm a big Matt Fury fan from like I used to work in a comic store and I mean, it's a sad story. I liked him but he did see he was a little bit too weepy in that documentary. Yeah. And it was like, yeah, it is. It's one of those things where it's like man, yeah, that does suck, but there's nothing you can do. There is, yeah, it's just how the world. Draw like a donut with eyes now. It's so over. Yeah. But now it's fine. Yeah.

Just just wait it out. Yeah. Yeah. Donut with eyes though. That's a good idea. See, I should have in a cartoonist. Yeah. But back to this, yeah, this, you said it's a stick a dynamite?

Well, yeah, or a firework. It was, because that's an immediate no-go for me. Okay. Why is,

just like, TNT? Yeah. Every time. But don't you want to lean into that a little bit and maybe you have like a full just a mascot?

Yeah. We have a mascot. Telephone attached to TNT. Let's see. Every time someone makes a poster, I send like a black list of like, yeah. No TNT,

no telephones, no MBA. And because they all think, like you're the basketball guy right you got to put the basketball in the you know once they find out you like something and they think it's all you want to do ever yeah yeah that's fair do you ever have you ever made an album art for yourself um not with this band no no album art i tend to outsource okay but i'm kind of a director i'm the administrator administrator the principal as you said previously i dull things out i would say we have a

kind of a triple principle operation over here yeah and then one's student one student which is we oh is he still here yeah he's he sticks around the whole he's clicking and he also produces joy tactics completely yeah oh really yeah okay the illusion of choice yeah yeah yeah what you fucking listen to quit or get him fired yeah we're trying to get him fired yeah we have been trying to get him fired from there for a while and and also trying to I've been trying to kind of just influence him and torture him in ways that make the quality of joy tactics worse yeah yeah and also it turns out ours also gets worse as you do that as well yeah yeah but it's not so big a deal yeah exactly people don't even

know i don't care about their quality i mean you can't go you can't go any farther than rock bottom right it's mutually assured destruction i and i if i if it means i have to bring us down to take long tactics down yeah turn down to it yeah i've heard they've been um ghosting on guess like really that doesn't surprise me yeah no none of us that's a pattern of behavior now that now that jacking them They're all Hollywood. Jack's not. Jack's there? I was going to say.

No, no, no, no. I picked the one guy who's not Hollywood. I was going to say, the L.A. flees. Yeah. So did you grow up listening to the red hot chili peppers? I did. Me too, man. Why do people get so mean about that band?

No, they're pretty well-beloved in my circles. Dude, everybody hang out with it's always saying this is crap. When I say that I love that. We've got to get out of the circle and join us. West Coast. I need to be on the West. What's your first memory of Californication album? So, okay.

I don't know. I don't know much about Red Hot Chili Peppers. What song, what album is under the bridge on? That is... Mother's milk, I think. That's the first Red Hot Chili Pepper song I remember hearing. It was on a restaurant and I liked it.

And I was like, oh, this sounds good. What is this? And my dad was like, oh, it's the Red Hot. Yeah, what is that attitude about? He's a hipster. Yeah. He's a full hipster. But why aren't they accepted into hip, into hipsterness? His dad loves like neutral milk hotel and stuff.

Yeah, that's what I grew up listening to. That's for me, like a blacklist. Really? I can't listen to that fan. No offense to your dad. No, that's okay. He'll probably listen to this and he'll hear you say that. DM me.

We can talk. I think one of those guys, speaking of allegations, wasn't there something coming out about those guys recently? Oh, I don't know. I mean, I have not kept up with them. Let's start that rumor. there was the allegation that he time traveled to Mary and Frank

yeah that was the allegation back of the day that album should have ended with a song called me inventing a time machine and that's just like drills and cranks yeah they did the next album they did they do a techno album they travel to the future by accident yeah we accidentally we're done with all that fucking bullshit

we actually traveled to thousand and forty two yeah not that far ahead but we actually a robot we played with uh you robot anyway we played with a uh steampunk band a while ago yeah it was that leonardo da Vinci was the guitar player like literally whoa yeah like he's he's he's a famous yeah he's old as fuck did he had the crazy guitar he probably didn't he had like the you know the steampunk goggles you know, like, all that stuff. What band is this? It was like something like time cops or time warriors, something with that,

but they were all time travelers. Oh. I didn't realize they were just playing. It was in Las Vegas. So is Leonardo da Vinci on the lead? He was the only one I met, so I didn't catch the other guys. But could you kind of tell what they were? If I had given it, like, I didn't even watch the set, you know.

I'm in the green room. Imagine if you had watched it and you'd be like, we have to get these guys signed. I just didn't know DaVinci was involved. One of the best bands ever. You never know where talent is hidden. Well, yeah, the other members of the band might just not be famous people. Yeah, that's true. Leonardo da Vinci, it's like you, I think your time could be better served elsewhere.

Yeah. Than making music, yeah. He's not even famous for music. This is what his path led him to, I guess. Yeah. He took apart pregnant women's bodies. Yeah. Yeah, he did.

He used dead body machines as well. That's kind of like a guitar. And he drew naked men. did draw naked men, a very famous naked man. And that he drew, he drew a naked man with an extremely detailed penis and went, oh, no, I'm drawing circles. Oh, what are you doing? Leo?

Oh, I'm doing, oh, I'm trying. Someone caught him just putting that thing on his face and falling asleep. What hell is this? Look, he's in a circle. Yeah. His arms can. Look, his arms are up. How crazy is that?

Did he sculpts or paint? He was an inventor. He would draw and he would invent. He tried to make a flying machine. Yeah, I think he did paint. Yeah, he did some pretty famous. He did actually. You're completely right.

So he's more of a science side of the things. He was the Renaissance man. Right, true. He was the Renaissance man. But he didn't, I don't think he made music. No, as far as I know. Until now. Well, they didn't have CD back then.

But they had, you had lutes and liars. Liars? Yeah. Like an instrument? It's like a loon. I actually brought a CD for you guys. I forgot. Whoa.

The show. I'm going to do for the CD. Just one CD. Oh. Oh, thank you. Oh, yeah. Go check this out. Raspberry Moon.

Yeah, the record company wants me to just bring it for that. No, that's perfectly understandable. See, that's a good album cover. That is a good album cover. Oh, and a great back. Yeah, the back's the best part. The back is incredible. The back is the front of the school.

It's a perfect purple. I like the thing in the middle. The middle is sweet, too. The album. Yeah. But if you notice on the front, like the crack thing, it's crack hole. It's kind of like, in retrospect, sort of looks like a cum stain, actually. Yeah.

What kind of cum are you shooting? Because if that is, if you have a spider web comb, yeah, that's what it's like, a little red crescent in the middle for a CIO. You're going to see some more promotional items over the next two weeks. Maybe a cum shot. You're going to see what I'm talking about. You can maybe display that behind us or something once it drops, but jungle drop. Wait a minute.

There. Is it what? yes oh that's wow that's fucking genius that's smart as fuck and here's what the album where it could have been yeah exactly you had thought about it at all AMB I mean you know

it's a tough choice but I gotta go with well ours is much bigger yeah yeah probably wouldn't fit maybe for the LP yeah well that's the only reason you want LP is because the art it's just it looks better I can finally see the art who goes my god yeah I don't even know what that thing in the

tag or nobody nobody listens to records they just fuck no cool to have. Do you remember when Urban Outfitters first became aware, you were aware of it? And they always had the Dr. Drake Chronic for like $50 at the front of that shit. The double LP collector's edition for some reason. They would have whatever the last three albums that people liked were. And the vinyl's green. Interesting. Yeah, the vinyl's green like weed. Yeah, I think I first saw Urban Outfitters in Vancouver. We're out to college. Where'd

you go to college in Vancouver? Started at University of British Columbia, dropped out quickly. they're after. What's it like dropping out in Canada? Because then you're just like, fuck, I'm in fucking Canada. Yeah, I mean, my plan was to stay for four years. But I think the border guard knew right when I got there, he was like, he's not going to make it.

They didn't hack it in Canada? They gave me a one year visa. Where are you from? Wisconsin. Wisconsin. Small town, Wisconsin. Oh, that's fucking, that's far from Vancouver, isn't it? Yeah, it is. Yeah. I never stepped foot in Canada until you got into college? Yep.

you didn't tour it or anything you just said I'm going I went on a tour sorry I did do one tour I lied yeah but like pretty much pretty much like I didn't

it wasn't like oh we're right on the border in Wisconsin let's go up to Canada yeah it wasn't like that yeah for sure

don't people in Detroit often go yeah up there for school and so that's a new Hampshire thing your 18th birthday you go up to

Montreal yeah and fucking drink yeah you drink a beer oh god drink one beer drive that all the way back down

four hour drive you drink one beer and leave? Yeah, four-hour drive. Did you do that? No, no. I went to hand a beach. No, I just, I couldn't, I didn't have any money back then. The drinking age

in BC was 19, so that trick wouldn't wards where I was. So you, so wait, the timing of that kind of sounds like you got to college and then you were allowed to drink and you immediately dropped out. That's right, because I'm still straight-edge to this point. Oh, you are straight-edge to this day? Never. Yeah, womb to tomb. Gotcha. So are you

are you into like photography and stuff photography. I feel like every straight-edge guy I know gets into photography. Thank God I'm not. Snacks.

Yeah, snacks. We talked about this. Yeah. There's always something with the straight-edge people. Caffeine. I know. Soda.

Straight-edge guys I know go fucking insane for caffeine. Yeah. And they... Don't you realize that's also a drug? Well, they get a little... It's, you know,

Wisconsin straight-edge. Yeah. When I was growing up, I was vegan and I was like vegan straight edge like claimed that. Yeah. And then my brother told me that part of being straight edge is that you can never have sex as long as you live.

That's right. Yeah. And you broke because of that. I broke it at 15. Yeah, I'm still with it. Like, Jill and I don't. Oh, thank God. That's all we're married. What was that what that was, was that actually part of the original thing? No, I don't think so. Well, yeah, it was in the song. Yeah. Don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't fuck. Yeah.

Yeah, but that's because he was trying to be a cool kid. Well, it wasn't, he was, the song wasn't like, I'm starting the straight edge movement. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. But that was, yeah, the original thing was. But message boards back in the day, like, we'd kind of like have, it's kind of like a Bible, like, interpretation. Like, what do you mean by fuck? Exactly.

You know, it's like. Well, yeah, that was what I heard was that the interpretation was that I don't have, I don't have casual sex. Promiscuous. Yeah. Periscuous casual sex. Okay. Gotcha. So if they had said in that song and I, plus I'd jump off a bridge, would you do that too?

Well, it's open to interpretation. He's like, what is the bridge? Well, that's a good point. Bungy jumping could have been part of that as well. So are you, is TNT a straight-edge band? Renailed. Most of us are. There's one, one person in the band drinks alcohol.

No X on the ends, though. What's up? No X is on the ends. No. Our email address. Okay. X hotline TNTX. Okay.

Email. Sick. I think getting to use the X is the coolest part. Yeah. That's what I would abuse the X. Yeah, exactly. If I was straight edge, I would have the X on fucking everything. I would tattoo it on my forehead.

What's that that watch? Like, it was like the swatch watch. Yeah, yeah. A lot of those. See a lot of those to this day. I think the real online boy has one of those. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. That was a, what's it? The fucking, what it was like, Earth Crisis with Straight Edge and then Project X. Yeah. That was the one where I was like, where it was, like, they named themselves after the damn movie. Yeah. Which the movie is far from. No, no.

It's about the opposite. There's other. There are other ones, too. I'm not even part of straight-edge culture, to be honest with you. But, like, there's, like, X-Files X was one. It was a pretty cool band name. That is a good band name. They do.

I mean, whenever they use the X, it's always so cool. The X is awesome, man. Yeah. Yeah. Project X. Yeah. X weapon X. X, weapon X, I was going to say, yeah.

And that's cool because when they say their band name, they just say weapon X. That's right. But they write it X-Wherine X. Yeah. Weapon X is a cool name. Weapon X is so sick. Anything with weapons is just cool. Yeah, I like weapon.

Living weapon. that's another band. I didn't know what straight edge was when I was a kid, but if I had, I would have been 100%. I basically independently invented straight edge to myself until I was like 17 or 18. Because of a sensitive stomach. Well, no, no.

I literally had this, I was like, it's fucked up to do this to your body and I'm not going to do it. And then I just didn't know it was a thing. If I had found out it was a thing, I would have changed. I would have had a completely different life back. Yeah.

I think any, it's such a, it's a nuclear bomb to find out that there are like thousands of people who think in the same crazy ways you with your team. And they make really cool music. Yeah, exactly. And they're like badass. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I was thinking is that have you done, you haven't done one of those pitchfork overunders, right? Well, actually we did. You did? They never aired it. Oh, really? You guys went to. That's too. We, we dissed another band that was on, it was at Pitchfork Fest. I thought we went pretty light on them. It was a light toasting, but We were upset that they got billed over us on the fest.

Oh, okay. And I thought we, it was kind of like, you know. Major laser. We're into like, we're, we like to be like the pro wrestling, like, you know, you know, I love that. I thought people want to see that. By the way, that's not. When we talk about joy tactics, we are not doing that.

It's genuine hate. It's real. I just like to say that. Yeah. But we, yeah, they asked us like, overrated or underrated, people, little horse. Oh. Oh. That's their fault for asking that question.

What do you want us to say? They're underrated. Come on. So, yeah, we did give them a light toasting, which never made the final cut. But, yeah. It's all love. Anything else? That was the one I remember.

But they did that. They just strike down the entire over under off of that or they just cut that out. Yeah, I don't know. Pick up the cameras walk away from you. That was the last one. And they did like, one of our managers was like right off camera, like watching us. And she was just like, don't talk shit. All right.

Let's see if we can give you an overrated underrated. Yeah. I got the Wiggles. Is that a, that's a band, too? Hey, yo, the Wiggles! You don't know the Wiggles? I'm talking blue, red, green, Murray, Greg, Jeff. I don't know. Captain Feather Sword.

Dorothy. You guys are stomping me right now. Big Red car? Are you serious? You never heard Big Red. Fruit salad? Yummy, yummy. Salad right now.

We need to keep them to do this. That's crazy. It's like a puppet thing or what? It's a. There was a. There was one time that they were puppets. Really? I don't know what this is.

Was they a puppet? There's a whole, yeah, point your finger and do the twist. Yeah, I don't know. That's crazy to me. So that's, I didn't even know this. They are certified underrated. I guess they must be. They're not on my radar at all.

That's crazy. Not on my radar. You should check them out because I think they might have some serious influence on whatever your next music. Okay. Huge turn. Huge turn into Wiggles Fitch. It's the album art, right there.

That is a great album art. any album. It's this album or just all this songs are just itsy bidsy spider well it's bidsy spider that's a cover they do. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the vibe. I miss the vibe. The vibe is great. What are they

usually asking that? They would be like peanut butter sandwich. Oh, yeah. Which, okay, well, let's hear it. Peanut butter sandwich. Just peanut butter. Underrated, yeah. I mean, I do straight peanut butter. I was pretty afraid of jelly and I was a kid. Afraid of jelly.

Like, very picky. Okay. So, yeah, the jelly. Not afraid, but grossed out. Yeah, just peanut butter is fine. Did you have goober at all? You ever have a goober? I hate the mix.

Yeah. I also hate it. I ate so much goober as a kid. I never ate it. I just didn't like how it looked in the jar. Fluffer nutter. I think it looks, it looks cool to me. Like, they're kind of like stripes, right?

It is cool. It's a great design. Just get them separate. Do you ever have a fluffer nutter? You ever have a fluffer nutter is amazing. Yeah. But you use so much more peanut butter than jelly in a peanut butter in a peanut butter jelly sandwich.

It makes no sense for it to be one to one ratio. has a lot of gilly. Dude, you're fucking alone in every way. What about Uncrustibles? Uncrustibles? I never got into them. I'm going to say, way underrated. Really? I feel like, well, it's... Why are they frozen?

This is the lot, the divining lineup doesn't like them, likes them. But I feel like they're overrated. No, dude, they're underrated. I feel like people are always talking about it. Yeah. The thing is about uncrustables, you keep them frozen. I know, this is what everyone who, everyone who likes and crustables said they always, there's always the trick.

Yeah, what's the trick? They go, you can actually make it delicious by freezing it when they're... Yeah, why freeze it? Just put it in the fridge. They're still about 30% frozen. Because you're supposed to put them in... You're supposed to freeze them and then in a lunchbox they thought. This is what every uncrustable...

Every uncrustable fan has a number list of what you have to do. Are you calling the uncrustable? Yeah, you are an uncrust. The middle of uncrustable always gets thinned out because of the lunchbox. And then you take your first bite and then it's jelly up the top. Okay. I like them also like 70% frozen. Yeah.

When I was at summer camp is when I had them. You want a snap of the peanut butter. Yeah, they were in the freezer, the big walk-in freezer and the cooler. Freezer? Yeah, walking freezer. And we went on like a field trip and by the time we got to lunch, they were still pretty cold. Yeah. They're nice.

They're refreshing. Yeah, very refreshing. Summer, summer snack. I don't fully dislike them. I just never understood it really. Overrated for you. Yeah, overrated for me. I would also say overrated.

And I would say the overrated is more because of the, because of uncrustaboids online. Yeah. Exactly. I'm sick of these uncrustaboids. I'm not. They also never branch out. They never go apricot or any other kinds of jam. Well,

that's fair. That they could have different. Yeah, they might. I've only ever had the strawberry and the grape. Yeah, that's the only two I've seen is strawberry and grape. That's a branch.

Yeah, but I do, no, that's Mario and Luigi. I'd love to see a red raspberry. I'd love to see a red raspberry. We need a green one and a purple. Yeah.

Speaking of what's with this, why did, why did Zorhan say Nintendo Switch heads? I don't know. What does that mean? I don't have no idea. I don't know. I think he probably just knows his audience better than even anybody possibly can.

We are talking about it right now. It's true. Nintendo Switch, I mean, it got our attention. Yeah. It's one of those things that keep his name in your mouth. Yeah.

Now whenever you play Nintendo Switch, you're going to think about him. But when he said it, I was just kind of like, subliminal message. Did he just say his Tinto Switch heads? Yeah, it felt like a secret message.

Hello Switchoids. Yeah. Come vote for me. He should have called this supporter Zoids. that would have been that would have been that we are going to start that yeah

there's a slang there's a slang evolution right there that is actually good slang yeah zoroids or zoroids or zoids or zoids yeah yeah something

I thought I thought it'd be kind of cool to just call him big Z big Z is good too is that already happening what is it is now has his rap name been public I haven't seen it

oh yeah oh yeah what was his rap name um who's money donnie no that's what I would call It's Mr. Something. Mr. Z?

What is it? I don't know. Please cut this. I don't remember. But I voted for him. Let's see. It's Mr. Something.

I don't want to misspeak right now. Do you remember Andrew Tate's rap name, Mr. Plenty? No. Oh, dude. Have you heard this? Is he a bars? No. Okay.

It's one of the, it's a really like. Young cardamum. Okay, sorry. I don't think it was Mr. something. Young. That feels closer to something like Sean Annie. Mr. Plenty was, was Andrew Tate. I got Andrew and Zohran mixed up.

They're very similar. So, so, yeah. There's one, fuck, what's the bar? He's like, they call me Mr. Plenty. Check the letter on the Bentley. Does not rhyme? Does that rhyme at all? Stretch it's good enough for me.

I think there's other stuff you could criticize Andrew. Why didn't they put him on the freshman class? They should have. Mr. Plenty on the freshman class? Over under. Riming. I'll say over. I thought you would say that.

I actually. I check, I got Google alerts on my hotline team. I check for new rhymes. Every day I see what people are saying about me and they're just like, he's stretching his vowels too much. That's bullshit. That's their criticism. I love slant rhymes.

I think slant rhymes are the best creation. Yeah, it doesn't rhyme. So what? Yeah. It doesn't rhyme. Yeah. So rhyming is over rate. I think I agree with you.

I also agree. Over under. And I think slant rhymes are underrated. I agree. Where they rhyme a little bit, but not really. I like that. Yeah. I like more of that.

Overrated, underrated, the simple. guitar. Acoustic guitar. Rated, right? Rated. Perfectly, you think? Rated. I think it's fine. I think it's overrated, underrated. Everything in the universe combined. All as one thing. Completely rated. Yeah. Rated correctly. Everything's rated. But if you had to pick between over and under. I'd say underrated. I'm a very optimistic guy. I think we can find the joy.

Yeah. We got enough. Let's find the best new music and everything. NBA one. Overrated, underrated, Ben Simmons. I would say underrated. I would say underrated as well. Definitely. Yeah. He's, you know, he's an interesting case for sure. I'm excited to see. He's an Australian guy who is everybody who's like, this is the next, LeBron James. Oh, okay. I wish they do every three or four years ago. But he was kind of the first one in, as long as I've watched basketball. But he just kind of got, he like had some bad injuries, but also it's just weird and doesn't seem to really care. about basketball that much. He had kind of an epic flame out.

Yeah. It was like a viral moment or nothing's been the same since then. It was in the playoffs against Atlanta. He's playing for the Sixers at the time. And he had a wide open dunk and he just like, the way it's frames, he kind of like chickened out and passed the ball off.

Even though he could have dunked it. Yeah, he could have done. And he's never been the same. He can't be the man. Yeah. Yeah. He can't be the man. He's been kind of a journeyman ever since. I'm still rooting for him.

I think he's going to have like a second act. I believe in him. That would be cool. But it's been a few years now. Yeah. Kind of shopped around it. Overrated, underrated, just guitar pedals in general. This is the guy.

Yeah. You've heard his music. Yeah. So he's going to say, he can maybe hate them. No, I'm overrated. You were saying overrated. I knew this. You knew this, right?

I knew this. If you follow my career at all, you would know. Sorry. And I follow your career very closely. I'm not a pedal head. Oh, really? I'm a tuner pedal only kind of guy. Oh, so I don't know what any of that means.

Okay, I was with you. No offense. You click it and then it tunes and you've got to tune it. And it tells you. Yeah, I feel like, if you're overtuned or undertuned, basically. Over or under? I don't. Out of pitch.

Okay, I know what that means. So you're just straight to the amp? Yeah, as much as possible. Yeah. No funny business. Yeah. But distortion. All the way up.

All the way up. Wait, I got a good one. Overrated, underrated, the vocoder. I'd say, you know, we're kind of. past its prime, I'd say. Past its prime, which means it's overrated. Underrated, if it's past its prime. I guess it's time to come back.

He's got to be coming back. Maybe you need to do one of those. Yeah. I found a corb vocoder. What's that one? The corks synth, I found one on the street. I have one. Yeah.

Oh, you do? Yeah. I do too. Oh. Yeah, I'll take it. What's the director's name again? O'Leo. O'leo?

Could he, like, in post? He should code this shit? He's going to be so mad that you're just so mad that you suggested. Sorry. Guys, make sure to follow Joe tactics on Patreon. No, no, no, no, no. Cut his mic. Cut his mic right now.

Follow it, sure, subscribe, no. No, no, no. Send hate messages. Here's one for you guys. This is not overrunner, but I want to hear. I'm kind of a nostalgic guy, so I was wondering, like, AOL Instant Messenger. versus MSN message.

I was AOL. I was AIM. Before my time, I feel like. Oh, okay. Yeah. No,

I was, I was my, my, I was, uh, Gmail chat was my name. Gmail chat was my name. That was fun too.

I like Google chat. Aim was where you got in trouble. Yeah. Well, it was weird. My town was all, my high school was all MSN. Wow.

The next town over was AOL. Wow. I was kind of in between both. So I, so you grew up in some, around some squares. Cutty. Got you more like,

I think. Maybe. I don't know. Yeah. AIM was like, that was where That's the people's chess and came with the computer, right? If you had a Windows PC. I had a phone with AIM on it for a little bit.

AIM did or MSN? MSN. MSN, yeah, I had a hotmail account. So that was like your hotmail account worked for MS. Yeah. I didn't have, I had AIM, but then my dad said that we weren't allowed to have the proprietary app installed. So I had to use a website called Bebo.

I've heard of that. I had to go into Bebo and log into my AIM account. I could have the chats open. So it was like a web, a browser-based. Yeah, it was a browser-based one. But I just remember, like, getting yelled. I was like, get off a Bibo. So what did you chat with your friends?

Like, when you were a kid? The G-chat, right? G-chat, yeah, but mostly. That and texting, I guess. Picto chat. If you were around them. Oh, that was a D-S? Yeah, I don't think I had a D-S in the Picto-Chat, boom.

I think I had one after Picto-Chap. Everyone got tired of Picto-Chap. We were plotting on Picto-Chat. You think Zorhan would have been like, where my DS heads are? Yes. Back in the day, he definitely would have. Yeah, yeah. But we used to go on Picto chat and we just fucking.

Yeah. Yeah. Any field trip was like. The aforementioned Gen Z cousin I was talking about, I think he asked his first crush out on a Picto chat. They still have Picto chat? He's Gen Z. This is back in the day.

Like 10, 15 years? How Gen Z though? I think he's 24. I think we are all technically. Yeah, we're in Z. Oh, shit. Sorry. We had Picto chat.

I'm pushing. Where's the That's a perfectly fine age to push Yeah Pushing Push to be near To be within

Yeah You still have to be Everything's okay Yeah Any age is fine We've had Older people on Yeah

I'm not the oldest Okay No Actually I don't know My mom called in ones No No we had Some old people on

Oh yeah We had a A group of old man On Okay Yeah we have So you're actually Near the younger end

What's the oldest Joy Tactics Guess do you think Probably like three years old. Probably, you know, I would say nobody could be older than those three are. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So it really doesn't matter the guest is. They'll never top that. They're decades

older than yeah. Yeah. What other overrated or underrated? Dude, there's nothing left when you named everything. He already said everything in the universe. Yeah. Uh, yeah. It's already been. Fuck you, bitch. I'm sorry. Yeah. Everything in the universe. I take that one back. Okay. Screw. Okay. His shit over under.

I'll say. say under, I guess. Underrated. Actually, I would agree. Yeah, I would agree. Recently, I would agree. What kind of numbers are you doing with your crap attacks?

Bristol 5. Dude, my shit is so fucked up today because I'd be eating mashed potatoes and applesauce. You need some flogers off in the post. Have you been drinking the protein shakes? That's what I did. Did you at least get some ice cream?

Dude, I'm about to tell you the most... I'm about to tell you the most tragic thing that will make tears come to your eyes. I went to the grocery store before I got ice cream, I got all the stuff that I knew I was going to have to eat. I got ice cream and then I got home after the surgery realized I had gotten ice cream

that had chocolate chips in it. No. Which I could not chew on and I had to eat, put the ice cream in my mouth and then spit the chocolate chips out individually. Like pits? Like cherry pits? And you're not supposed to spit with wisdom teeth too. Well I wasn't well I wasn't actually spitting because I knew

so you were just leaning over. I was letting them fall of my mouth, yeah. Just like in the CVS. Yeah, just full gravity. That is an insanely sad to do his job. You got it all four out yesterday? Yeah.

Your face isn't swollen. Yeah, well, they weren't, they weren't impacted. Oh. They're like in my mouth. They're just like fucked up. Well, they all had cavities in them. Oh,

and they were also, well, I mean, I guess I don't want to get too much into my health. Dental. My, my, well, it's all ties in.

Yeah. To my issues and my general sufferings. One extra bone. Yeah. personally your wisdom tea though yeah I do I think in high school

my best friend I remember did it before me and the story he told me was like he finished up came out of the coma whatever they put you in and the nurse was like you're feeling okay

and he was just like immediately puke so I was like but I was fine no no no reaction I have a bunch of videos of me on wisdom tooth

drugs yeah they didn't sedate David after after dent That's an OG. That is a great. That is an OG. I was kind of hoping that we were good.

Yeah, my bottom two were impacted and one of them got infected and it was like a huge problem and I had to get them out. And because it like was infected and they had to like cut through bone, my jaw like this side of my feet. You remember the Xbox avatar? The like the orange background, the blue guy. I'm a Nintendo Switch. I looked like this. I looked like this Xbox avatar for a couple of days. There's an episode actually.

You had a fucked up head. Yeah, I had a really fucked up head for a couple days. Okay. Yeah. One side of your head was like bulging out. Yeah. Yeah, mine was pretty, pretty tame. It was just, they just were pulling them out and cut them up and pulling them out.

I wouldn't have known that you had. Yeah, I think, I think I'm a tiny bit swollen right now. I was a little swollen right after. But it was not, it was not chipmunk vibes. Right. It was more just I looked all bloody and nasty. Yeah. That's cool.

But it was fine. Damn, I want to go to the dentist. I need to go. I need to go. Yeah. I know. This was the first time I went to the dentist in so many years. And they were like, yeah, these have to come out.

Did they give you that? Do they still do that sweet fluoride? No. The bubble gum. Yeah, I got, I got, uh, what flavor did I get? I got some. Grape. What a flavor.

I might have been bubble gum. I don't remember. They gave me some fluoride. And it was, they were like, do you want the fluoride? It's an extra charge. And I was like, oh, then no. And they were like, wait, it's actually free because your wife referred you to this. Whoa.

Free fluoride with a wife. Run me that fluoride. By the way, this is why I don't go to the dentist in so many years, because if you're going to go, they're going to find something. I went and I have to spend $1,000 over the next. You can drive a new car off the lot

and across the street. They're going to put it up. Like, yeah, they're going to find something. Yeah, yeah. If you go, they're going to find something. This was not a new car. I'll say that much. My mouth is pristine. I got some crappy yellow teeth.

I lost a tooth recently. My shit was fucked up, yeah. It fell out of my mouth. What happened? It cracked it and the rest of it. He still didn't go to the dentist. Yeah, there's, I mean, I think there's still part of it. He's had a very interesting relationship with the dentist.

Yeah. Yeah. They are doing, I think that you were like a patient. I think that I should just go to the school. Yeah, I should just go to the school. You should go to the dentist that I go to. You should put my name in as a referral and you'll get money. You'll get free fluoride and you get a $50 credit towards your treatment.

Well, I might hate you up actually. I do need to go. The $50 is not going to do anything. This is an $8,000 mouth. So that's basically. a mindset where you are going to lose $50. You're going to stay poor forever with that logic. You've got to be coupon cutting, bro.

You're pinching pennies over here. Yeah, that's why I want to go to the school. You're doing the opposite of pitching pennies. You need to be, I mean. Tell them like, oh, yeah, do whatever you want in here. Fix it, fix it up, take them out. I don't care. Just learn.

Go ahead and learn in my mouth. Do you do coupons at the grocery store at all? I'm really thinking about getting into it. I've been seeing some serious couponers at the grocery store that is making me really want to get into it. deadly. I do my phone number at like CVS and my grocery store. I've never redeemed anything. I leave it. I leave it for the mother-in-law. It's her phone number, but I know the shops at Walgreens. But when they say you have $5 or do you want to use it, I say I'll leave it for the mother.

Yeah, I also put in my phone number and never get anything in return. Yeah. Same with Chipotle. I feel like and Panera. I have accounts at both these places. Every time I're just like three more visits. Yeah. This month. And then I have, I have the Panera card on my. Apple wallet and I don't think I've been to Panera in like four years there's one down the street and I still I always say whenever I go to pay for anything it's like my credit card right there when I used to

vape the smoke shop near me had like the 10 you get like your night your 10th one free or whatever a real punch card and I abused that system to the point where they kept adding they added like five more at one point and then they added 20 it was like you had to have

20 free or 20 that you buy to get one free dude so I lost hope in the whole I found out I had the most incredible like Christmas style thing where I was I would always would get a food from this one Mexican restaurant is over there and I would get over and over and I would always order online and then I discovered like years in that they have a point system and I got like $50 off because I just been fucking spending money spending money and I've been racking up the points that felt good it was incredible and it made me but it made me feel bad because I went in

and they clearly didn't have like it's like an old ass website so like they just print out the receipt and it just says like it's like you know all the stuff and it's like 248 it clearly doesn't say on the like thing they print out why

it's like that so if they thought that you were something was wrong I know something was wrong I had to be like oh I use my points I need to go get you know what I need right now is I need to go to GameStop

and I need to get a power up subscription oh yeah dude the power up subscription is so pathetic It's so sad. And they push it so fucking hard. I really don't understand. I think they made me get one when I got the new Nintendo Switch. Uh-huh.

And they just automatically sign me up. Yeah. So, yeah, I get, you get 10% off every game. No idea. Barely that. I think it's less than that. No, and it's like mostly, it's mostly on the pre-owned stuff that you get money off, which is like, it's like, oh, you can get like a fucking, like a copy of, of fucking, like, a

PS4 game that came out like in 2011, somehow. And it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, you can. you can get it for $40 instead of $50. Yeah. It should be bigger than that. It should be $8. Yeah. $50 or with the plus card?

$8. The video game market is very weirdly robust. I mean, when I look at like, there's like ads for like Best Buy from 1999, it's like new games for 64 were like 70 bucks. Yeah. It's been the same.

Yeah. It's kind of just raised it recently. And now it's, now it's like it's going up to 80 sometimes. Some people are doing it. spent 80 bucks a game stop just the other day. That's too much money. Death Stranding, too.

But even like the used games, too, are just like, five bucks off. Yeah, I know. It's crazy. And used games are so expensive nowadays, too. Like, any used game is like,

I remember being a kid and going to, like, Newbury Comics, and they would have, like, just a little bin of, like, Game Boy Advance games and Nintendo DS games would be, like, a dollar a game. And now, like, the worst game boy game of all time

is still, like, $20 on eBay. A strawberry shortcake for D.S. Yeah, exactly. It's like, it's so expensive. Brain age. And I've been looking for that one, too. If you want to get a copy of Super Smash Brothers melee.

Yeah. Yeah, I think it's like $250. Really? Wait. I have the case and the disc. Oh, really? Oh, you should sell that. You should sell that.

If you're a true head, true Nintendo Switch head, wouldn't sell. Yeah. I know. I haven't trusted. A Zoron voter wouldn't sell. Yeah. Yeah. I was looking at like, there was a, there's a silent hill game for the Wii.

And I was like, oh, that would be fun. I can go get like my old Wii from my parents' house and I'll just get that. And I like went online again. It's like hundreds of dollars. Yeah. And it's not even like that good. Well, it's because the home brew stuff has gotten so easy for the Wii. No, because that one was specifically one where they haven't cracked the emulation.

Oh, okay. Which is probably why it's expensive. But a Wii game should not be expensive. I know. It's in the name. A Wii. It's a Wii game. Just a wee little game.

And even the controller is a Wii moat. It's just a, My Wii moat just died. A wee moat of dust. Your Wii moat died? Yeah, I can't use it anymore. I have a homebrewed Wii that I can't use anymore.

That's how I was playing all my GameCube. You got dolphin? Yeah, I got dolphin on the computer over there, but I don't... Dolphin on the Steam deck? That's fire. That's what it's about. I don't have that.

I'm playing Nintendo Switch games on the Steam deck. Wow. I got nothing of value. I just have a Wii. Dude, hacking your computer, your $2,000 computer to be exactly like a DVD player. That would be, yeah. I bought a VCR yesterday.

I've been wanting to buy a VCR. I have plans, yeah. What do you got in the plan? It's nothing I can reveal on the record. Oh, okay. You're going to steal my idea. Interesting movies? Yeah.

No, I mean, I want to be transferring. Oh, yeah. I thought you were just saying you have, you have big plans you can't reveal about what movies you're going to do. Oh, yeah. Monster Squad. Oh, yeah. That's the one VHS I have in my house.

Matrix Reloaded, I think, who's in there. I've been, it's like, always. always, I'm always thinking about buying a VCR. I have no plans, but just specifically to do transfers for no reason. It's the coolest thing ever. It's so cool. Analog to digital. It's the best.

It literally doesn't get cooler than that. Check this out. Digital to analog. Put the RCA cables in your computer. Put YouTube videos onto a tape. That's right. I learned how to do that in high school because I had like this go video VCR and I recorded it.

And I was like, this is, I'm crazy for this. We should put a bunch of fucking crazy. I remember taping, like, a CD on a tape deck at my home when I was a kid. My parents were very disappointed. We spent all this time, like, upgrading stuff. Why are you doing that? I'm going to go back and put every single... It's like a spin doctor's CD to prints.

You just don't do that. I'm going to go back and put every single MKBHD video onto a VCR. And I'm going to have a marathon of all of the iPhone reviews. That's a good idea. Yeah. That would be badass. Yeah. Maybe even a screening.

my roommate I won't say his name recently told me he had a YouTube channel was like a little kid in Seattle like reviewing tech that's so sick how did you afford all that he couldn't this is a pogo stick

I think I think this is called a jack in the box he's from like Seattle which is like Microsoft they were just giving it out like candy oh shit he would just review it yeah just reviews what a racket

all right you got any tour stuff to plug I saw you were going on an insane tour We got a lot of dates coming up A lot of days We flash them right here We probably can Just on a Instagram carousel right Yeah we can put them up here

If you don't mind Yeah we'll be starting out Mid July We'll be out until Thanksgiving pretty much Go check out hotline T&T It is probably the most tour dates I've ever seen It is a lot

Are you playing New Hampshire Don't think we're playing New Hampshire Boston? Maybe you would Boston yeah The Sinclair The Sinclair Oh, that's a good spot.

That's a favorite venue. A couple of North Carolina shows. Is that where you're from? Yeah. Okay. The Sinclair, someone DMed us. Oh, yeah. Have you, the gossip?

There's something going on. Oh, they basically had a, like, pro-Israel event or something. I'm not even, I'm not even touching that. I'm talking, someone said, like, someone had, like, an autistic freak out or something. Oh, I don't know about this. This is, I'm just relaying what my dad had told me. This is a drama hub. This is, yeah, the Sinclair.

Which is like, I'm kind of a heat seeker for drama. So we want to play. there. Check it out. See what's up and let everyone know. We'll do our thing. And listen to the new album Raspberry Moon. Thanks for having me, guys. Thank you very much, Will. I would love to

be an Uber driver. I should just do that. Yeah. Dude, that would be so funny. You could do that easily. Not with your car. My car is crap. Yeah. You have to have a pretty nice car. You don't have to. You do have to. I think you do have to. It's like has to be less than 10 years old and it can't have this

problem. Well, just tell them to a lie. What about Uber, what about Uber Brown? And it's just cars of like Jaloppies. Yeah, jalopies.

Lemon. Uber Lemon, that's what we call. We're starting an app called Jalopper. And it's like Uber, but it's just for Galapis. J-L-O-P-I-R. J-L-O-P-R. J-Lopper.

Jolopper sounds like a horrible. Well, that's part of why it's so cheap to call one. Because you're trying to your friend, you say, hey, I'm going to go outside and call a jalopper. And they're like, whoa, dude. You can't be calling people jalopper. No, no, not causing me. I'm going to a jalopper wedding tomorrow.

And just a model T pulls up and it's like when a car pulls up and you go Uber, Uber, it pulls up and you go, Jalopper. Even the drivers are like, what the fuck? What did you just fucking say to me? Yeah, that's what I am. That's my job. That's what I am. Oh, you're right.

That's right. That's what I ride. That's right. I'm a jolloperer. My bad. It's okay. The car.