Podcrushed - Breaking Down "YOU" S4: Part 1

Episode Date: February 10, 2023

Watch this episode on YouTube!In this special, bonus episode of Podcrushed, Sophie and Nava grill Penn all about the first five episodes of You, Season 4. They get into the new characters, the most surprising plot points, and some BTS on the show’s approach to intimacy this season. This conversation is *full* of spoilers so listen at your own peril… Follow us on socials:InstagramTikTokTwitterSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Lemonado Guys, it's so good to be back again in the studio to see you all. Penn, I'm really excited. This season, we're going to make a push to try to be together in person, and I'm like longing for the day that you're in person with us again. But this is second best. We're going to make the push. We'll see if Penn will actually.

Now, Ben, I are going to make the push. Penn is going to resist it. We're actually going to just fly it in New York. There's got to be a push in a pool. reciprocity you know it's it does feel so good to be back here recording have like first day jitters it feels like yeah yeah that's anxiety self

yeah that's what that is that has nothing to do with what's happening here this year we're also trying to move to full episodes on YouTube should we take a moment to say hi to the camera oh right I really forgot me too hi everyone I hope you like this new format to those of you just listening you're you're missing out

Yeah. Subscribe. And if you're on YouTube, listen so we can get that. That's right. If you're doing one, do the other. Because it just helps us. They hit different. They hit different.

Yeah. It all hits me. Guys, what have you been up to over the last month? January. Yeah. Let's talk about January, 2023. Let's do it. You know, I saw a billboard yesterday that was for like a bank of some kind.

And it said, here's to a happy and simple 20. And I thought, boy, do they have their finger on the pulse. I just thought, man, that is on point. Somebody's not getting paid enough. And it's the bank employees. That's right. Yeah. I celebrate the new year in March, March 21st, just because.

But I just like to do my own thing. But I actually do celebrate the New Year March 21st. But this year, January 1st, I decided to take it as the new year, like, to accept that and set certain goals. And I don't usually do that. I don't usually, like, have resolutions. But I've been working towards them and feeling good, actually, accomplishing most of them. And I feel like more purposeful and entering the year with like a new sort of lighter spirit, hopefully. That's awesome.

See, we got to have the push-pull. Yeah. We got to have it. Yeah. I also set certain goals this year and I don't usually follow through on my goals but this year I've been really trying to stick to them and I've been like sort of posting on my Instagram about this morning routine that I have started and I made a little calendars that I can check off the days that I actually complete it and I've like really I've brought my you know 7,000 Instagram followers in on this process and people are invested and I was really kind of very vague about what my morning routine was and so people started asking me. I just said morning routine. As vague as possible. People started asking me because on the calendar you can see I don't do it every day. Like it's quite, it's like half half, you know, maybe 6040. And we're like,

well, what's the routine? And so I've messaged a few people back and told them what it is. They're like, oh, that's really simple. That's very simple. And you don't get to that every day. And you're not at least at 90-10. No, no. You know, small steps, small steps. But that's where I am. I'm just taking January as it comes. But it's been good.

Another amazing thing that's happened in 2020- Tell me what. What is it? You, season four, has just premiered. I want to share a disclaimer. This is legit, guys, and you cannot say that you were not warned. This episode is full of spoilers. We are not hiding anything.

So if you have not watched the first five and you plan to, do not listen to this episode until you watch them. because we're going to go into detail about specific plot points. Yeah, just wait until you binge it, you know? Just wait like eight hours, you know? Yeah, come here to... Come back. Yeah.

I mean, if you're not watching it in a binge, if you're not watching it straight through, then I don't know who you are. Yeah. You're probably not a viewer. Yeah. Wait, wait, whoa. Let's not get started.

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It was sort of half. Do it again. Do it again. That's really good. This is what you want to. A lot of, hello. You. That's a good one. I can't believe we didn't even have to ask for that. Thank you, Penn.

This is really is a new year for you. 2023. Listen, you guys set goals. make them. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I can start us off with the first question.

So this season, Penn, is quite distinct in terms of genre. It's the first one that doesn't really feel like it's also a rom-com. And I wonder... Wait, rom-com? You don't think the previous seasons have felt like rom-combe? Sorry, does that feel like a slight? It's not. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, not a slight.

I just love the... I just, it's just, I... You're like, that's not real romance. Yeah, sorry. I'm a broken record at this point. No, I know what I mean. Okay, rom-com, yes, rom-com with a twist. A dark rom-com, yeah. This season doesn't quite feel like a rom-com.

There's not as much romance. There is some, but not as much. And what do you think about that? How do you think the audience is going to react to that? Honestly, were you guys nervous to make quite a big shift? Look, for better or worse, every season ends in a really intense sort of spectacular fashion and it's a cliffhanger usually I think right

so every time I'm like how are they going to keep it compelling how is it not going to get tired I know they're asking the same questions and they always do and this time I trusted that would be happening but as we were doing it I realized this is really a different genre

like the device of suspense has to be used differently in mystery and then it is in horror. It's not the same. And it's technically mystery now, right? Wouldn't you call it? Yeah, it's like a who done it? It's a murder mystery.

So, yeah. So I know that, yeah, we all, well, we all, meaning like, the few left over from season three, and then really just this whole new British casting crew who are just like, yeah, you know, we're here doing the thing. Aren't you the only one left over from season three? Yes, actually. There's no one, just you. Yeah. No, Marianne.

Well, yeah, clarification. You're right. Yeah, clarification. But I don't, you know. That's right. We're full of spoilers. Yes, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

We can, yes, Marian is in this. Good, good one, Sophie. Finally, I got something right. Guys, last time we did an episode about you, I got skewered. People were like, how could you not know that love was a serial killer? She killed this person and this person and this person. I was like, I mean, fair. You just weren't defining her.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I knew, I knew, yeah. No, but you knew. I mean, what do you mean? No, I forgot. I forgot about all the people. See, that's what I mean. You're like, yeah, it's a rom-com.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, but you're not the only one. My best friend's wedding and you, best rom-coms of all time. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, can we just, oh, Julia Roberts? So, thank you, Grant.

Was he in my best friend's wedding? No, no, no, no. But he was in the other world, but close enough, close enough. Is she in my best friend's wedding? Yes, she is. All right, cool. Was I in it? As a young baby.

Cool. So you guys, kind of the creators, and you also understood that the show, in order to stay fresh and keep suspense, you had to address the suspense differently. So it's channeled as a mystery rather than horror, which is interesting. That's an interesting. I never think of you as being horror, but it's interesting. Yeah, well, it's not horror, but I think it has these aspects of, did I say horror? You did. But it kind of is. Yeah. It's not, I mean, there are horror aspects. Thriller? It's more, it's a thriller, but it doesn't use suspense in the same way. Because the whole people. point is that you know it's never a mystery I think it's it's a mystery like any story

where it's going but it's not categorically a mystery so it was different and I mean without there are spoilers for part two

that we actually can't disclose here so that that's sort of that's a two-parter question that we can revisit for our second bonus episode? I don't know

that we are doing that no we have we part are we I just have to say guys I have seen part two finally there's a perk

to being Ben's best friend We got early access to the season, and I'm just going to say part one, you guys have all seen it, it's awesome. It gets better when you watch part two because it actually, there might be certain things that you're like, I think this doesn't make sense, or there are plot holes, and they're all addressed in part two. And in my opinion, part two is like even better than part one. To me, I agree. No, I loved. Part one was really good, but part two was like juicy.

My one concern when I found out they were releasing it in two parts was like, oh, does part one? makes sense without part two like it'll make sense but is it going to be as like ah as as people typically find the show you know is it like ah it did the thing you know yeah you have to you have to be patient guys you'll be rewarded when you watch part two when and out trust netflix's algorithms yeah they made the decision for some reason yeah they made the decision for us all yeah let them decide i have to say i really did like the um the plot device of uh you like writing and researching a mystery novel and then some of those characteristics coming up in the actual plot and I love Nadia's character I really love Nadia yeah yeah you know what I

actually love about her character and and those scenes is that in a way what I love is it throughout the whole it might be true of part two as well it's hard to distinguish for me but but um I love how the show is more than ever commenting on itself. Like if you listen to everything they're saying, like the first line of the show is saying something about the dubiousness of the plot or something along those lines. And then throughout the first couple of episodes,

the writers of the show are sort of the show. The writers of the show. That's so good. No, they're doing this really deft, fine line walking, you know, between being too self-referential but not enough. And I think it's what saves it, you know. It's what always kind of saves it. So personally, I think that device is a saving grace.

And she's the evolution of the Paco-E thing. Yes, totally. I like that that person keeps getting older, the person you're mentoring and taking care of. So Penn, we've established that season one, two, and three. three to some degree feel like rom-coms to some degree dark twisty rom-coms and season four doesn't so I would say that seasons one through three also are all examining love in different aspects and I think season four is not so far what is the underlying theme of season four if it's not love well I mean it's eat the rich thing right and to me it's there's always this aspect of like thinking of things

through a literary lens so it's not the most all-encompassing like social justice lens um but i think it's i think it's more about class isn't it's about it's about wealth and it's about privilege a bit more it's that seems to be what joe's focusing on but to be honest i mean you guys watched it more recently than i have so you are probably more keyed into that right now because it's been a bit for me is that what do you think i agree i mean i think that in every season joe is situated amongst obnoxious rich people that seems to be that's that is you can rely on that. But this season, they're the most rich

and the most obnoxious they've ever been. And I do think that the theme of wealth is actually treated as a theme more than in the other seasons. That's just context. I think this season it's a theme. So I agree. I think it's saying something

about privilege and class. It's a tough one to address because the messaging, the exploration, the whole story, it's not over, you know? Yeah. It's really not over. And, by the way,

it wasn't written to be in two parts. It makes sense, actually, because there is a clear distinction, but it wasn't written to be that way. So it is a little bit, I think people should not necessarily feel like they know what it's saying yet, and that's okay. Ben, which actor do you think is most or least like their character? I thought you were going to say, most talented. Yeah, most annoying, least annoying.

Well, actually do have most obnoxious. It's me, no, right? What is it? Most. Which characters most or least? Most and least like their character. Which actor? Oh, most and least like their character.

That's a tricky question to me. How much time do we have? Most of least like the character. No one's liked their character in that they're playing especially bad people. And they would, this was a fun thing. Because I so often spend so much time, even by myself, when it's a, you know, the call sheet's full of everybody. From one to 17. By the way, I'm number one.

Casey didn't know. Case he didn't know. he's number three on this podcast though just keep him humble I'm four under David yeah there will even be a lot of time that I'm on set alone

everybody else's in the in the cast tent which is a literal like just tent for the cast like Great British Bake Off not that nice it sounds it's often kind of just everything in England is filmed in one place

being on a set is often like being on a construction site where only part of it is really beautified and then the rest of it is just kind of like yeah put that there yeah put that there and it's just you know there's like nails everywhere and dust wood chips the supporting cast this year were all getting along

so famously and were in so many scenes together and they had such great chemistry that they're all kind of like their characters minus being terrible so like they were all and because they're the cast and we're shooting let's say some big party scene but for the time being we're shooting my thoughts

so then it's just me I'm doing all that stuff alone as I always do alone in a room full of people they would often forget that like oh they're shooting this because they're also you know they've never been on the they've not been in the other seasons they're not accustomed to it

they naturally would forget like oh we're all here except for pen that must mean they're shooting like the show you know and and also because i also don't have lines so it would just be quiet and they would be just making each other laugh and ribbing each other in a way that i was just like they're perfect for this they're like all of them every single one of them they seem to and this is weird with with cast it's sort of like you emulate the dynamic that's on the page or it's just your cast because that's what you bring you know right then they write to it and so

it's hard to separate yeah but I would really say they're all like what does it mean to be like those characters but not be terrible people you know what I mean but but I would say great people in the show too I would say

Amy's actually not like her character she plays um uh nadia amy amy amy is a self-proclaimed like old woman in a young woman's body i can see that she really she really so in some ways she's really not like her character um pen what was it like working opposite charlotte richie and there's kind of a shift like she feels like a different romantic lead and the romance plays differently can you tell us sort of if there's like a background to that yeah so you know part way into the season i remember how having a call with Sarah, and this is, I think this is, to me, a credit to her, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the other writers. Sarah Gamble, the creator.

Yes, Sarah Gamble, the creator and Greg Relancy co-creator and then the whole team, you know, I think they were really trying to figure out, like, okay, we're doing so much new this season. So much is new. New genre, new location. And even though that changes, it's like, it's a new country. There's a new culture. It's a, there's a lot happening. A new look, you know, we've covered half.

of Joe's face is it gonna work you know just all this stuff and and I think what they were trying to do was was be like well we can't just do the same thing with a woman so therefore like let's make them hate each other actually and and and in initially I think it wasn't even that hate that you just want to it was just like they really just don't like each other and it's there's like a real and so on the page as troubling as it was it was compelling but I think they were realizing along the way, like, you know, oddly, because this show is kind of a rom-com, I mean, oddly, it has to have a heart. It has to have some kind of heart. And without an obsession for Joe to long for and charm and chase, you know, because in this, Joe was really trying to get away from something and get away from himself most of all, you know. And then this person, he's like, so. it actually became like an imperative after we'd shot a lot of it to be like, wait a second, this Joe Kate thing is just not working for this show in the way that we want.

So they really did, like retool a lot. We reshot some stuff. They changed the nature of the character almost, like in a kind of slightly fundamental way. So, you know, and it was tricky. I think even Charlotte and I were feeling it out and we were having conversations. with Sarah Campbell, the creator. We were just like, we were always asking that question. And I think we ended up pulling, you know, this is also a part two question too. It's like it really does pan out. It's the, what happens between parts one and two is that there is a lot, it truly is like

reinventing the concept and sort of redoubling its efforts. you have to see the whole thing. So that's kind of, yeah, I don't know how to answer more of that. Sorry. And then can you tell us, because, you know, as your friend, I do know a little bit of the backstory of why there's less intimacy this season. And I think people would appreciate hearing it. Could you share that with us?

Yeah. I mean, I asked Sarah Gamble, creator of the show, can I just do no more intimacy scenes? This is actually a decision I'd made before I took the show. You know, before I took one of the reasons that I've, I don't think I've ever mentioned it publicly but it's one of the main things is like do I want to put myself back

in a career path where I'm just always a romantic lead it's really important to me to like fidelity in my in every relationship and especially my marriage is important to me and yeah it's got to a point where I don't want to do that you know and like in the course before I took the show is there a question do I have a career

if I don't I mean you know think about every male lead you've loved if are they kissing someone are they are they doing a lot more than that um and you know it's really not my desire to so and you know but i but i so i said to sarah like i uh my desire would be zero to go from 100 to zero but i signed this contract i signed up for the show i know what i did you know you can't you can't take this aspect out of the DNA of the concept so so how much less can you make it was my question to them and and and she didn't even bat an eye she was really glad that i that i that i was that honest and she was sort of i want to say almost like empowered

or she she yeah she had a really positive response she appreciated my directness and she appreciated that i was also being reasonable and practical and they they came back with a phenomenal reduction you know um one might call it a breast reduction no that's amazing i kind of heard of uh at least a few celebrities in hollywood all women who have done that like i think zandaya has made it part of her like standing standing part of her contract that she won't do uh nudity and i think that that is becoming more and more acceptable among actors which i think is incredible um i want to shout this actor out because I think it took a lot of courage and it cost him a lot. So Neil McDonough, who was one of the leads on Desperate Housewives, is like a devout Catholic. And he considers

even kissing to be an act of infidelity. And so he has, he told producers in Hollywood that he was not willing to kiss. And he got blacklisted. Like there was like backlash against him. And there was a period of time he talks about this. You can, you can find the interview where no one would cast him. He was like punished for taking that stance. And I mean, I think it's outrageous that that's what happened to him, but I also have so much admiration for someone who did it anyway and have admiration for you, Penn, for also sort of, you know, I think it takes, yeah, like, I'm about to lose your career. Our ratings keep going down, guys.

We're going to give Penn's Venmo information soon, but no, I think it takes courage to have a conversation like that when it's not the culture and it's not the norm and people have faced consequences for doing it. I think we'll realize that we need less and less of it. I've told Nav of this before, but the office, the love story between Jim Halpert and Pam Beasley is one of the greatest love stories told in television. They kiss once on that show in like eight or nine seasons. And I think we will just come to realize as a society that we just don't need it as much in

every show, in every movie. It doesn't need to be like that much of a plot device. It being a little less graphic and a little less in your face, I liked that better as a viewer. I personally thought the giant prosthetic penis in my face... No, no, that... Episode one was pretty classy. That was insane.

You know, you know, when... That's when I was like... Class. I was like... Nava and I, again, like, we watched that episode together and we freaked. Like, we actually filmed ourselves watching that episode. We won't release footage of this. Yeah.

But we were just, like, chatting through the episode, like, talking about what's happening in the show. And then we're just chatting. And then all of a sudden, we both, like, we're sitting on the couch together like this. And we just go separate directions. It's really funny. It was so good. Get it. Get it.

Get it. Somebody step on it. It's a penis. What's it doing here? Mom. How did it get in? Somebody closed the window. Don't go anywhere.

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About D. I can't even say more than that. I said, there was like, there was one episode, was it episode one where you got to speak French? And I was like, finally, Penn gets to speak French on an episode. Yeah, you did, you did, yeah. You say a couple things. I think, I'm pretty sure all I said was excusing law, which is pretty, pretty sad. No, you said more than that.

No, yeah, you said a little bit more. Yeah, because Sophie turned to me and she's like, he finally gets to use his French. It's weird. I don't recall. How would I not recall that? Okay, well, cool. Look out for it when you watch. I know who's right.

Sophie versus Penn. It's my favorite, my favorite antagonist. That's, we got to have a little spin-off. Sophie versus. Yeah. Who remembers this season better. Definitely neither of us. Not as the ref.

She's just like. Like these. These idiots. Okay, so we alluded to it earlier, but that scene in episode five where you are in the basement dungeon of this castle and you're in chains and Reese leaves you in the fire. And you scream, Reese, Reese. That was incredible, first of all. Yeah, kudos, honestly, Ben. Oh, really?

Yeah. I haven't seen that yet. It's really good. It's really good It's incredible What was it like Filming that scene And also was there actually

Fire on set And if so Yeah there was actually fire Wow Not as much Not as much I loved that scene Because it was so intense

So we shot that The Thursday and Friday That Kendrick's record came out Can we just pause on that All the intensity And that's what we're going To talk about Now I know that's what they want

I know that's what they want I know that's what you want We just keep Kendrick to keep releasing out And I got COVID, by the way, in that scene, because that scene took two nights, not full nights, but it's like we had a lot else to shoot those days, but so, like, twice I had to, anyway, I got COVID in that scene, and it was pretty intense. I mean, I had, like, a lot of scratches all over my body afterward because there were, like, pebbles all over the floor, and I was, like, you know, spinning around and doing all this stuff with the chain. And it was, it was, it was characteristic of, like, every season, actually, I think, Joe, go, go, go, go, go, go. go flip it back i'm pretty sure every season i get tied up in some way maybe the first season i just

got beaten to like mercifully mercilessly to a pulp and that kind of had that vibe but like every season i you know he's in some real like bind literal bind and um and i find those scenes really enjoyable physically because it's like you know i often don't say much and so or i scream one word repeatedly. Rees! Rees! No! No! Thug! Guys, the performance is just like that. Yeah, it's just like that.

That's what Dovia and I'm marveling over. And you keep wondering why I'm not getting the Noms. You know? Why? Why? Rars. If it's like that, if it's like that, I'm already blacklisted. Clearly. Clearly, there's forces at work.

Okay. Back to the dungeon. Yeah. that it was a hard scene to shoot ed for what it's worth i mean he has just monologue after monologue after yeah and he was you know right there with us kind of like ask like trying to figure out what works um and and it's one of these things where it's like he actually has so much to do and i have so little to do but both is both are hard you know both are both are kind of at the extreme ends in the spectrum and we have to support each other somehow you know but it's like yeah so so i don't know i mean

i just feel like that the fire was not as big as it is in the in the final cut i don't recall because i've seen rough cuts and i don't really remember exactly how it's all put together but they had this they had there are these almost like these trumpets that like spew fire and it is so loud and hot it is alarmingly loud and hot. We've used them at least once before in a season prior when we blew up to a house in season three. And it's, yeah, it's just, I don't know. So are you hot while you're filming it? Oh, yeah. It's like a lot of that sweat and dirt and just, it's just so physical, you know, it's like that scene was particularly exhausting. And then again, the next day, I sort of had COVID symptoms and then I, so it's hard to differentiate. And you had to record an episode of

pod crushed. Yeah. Probably. I think that was when our show was coming. It was when the show was coming out. We did like interviews and you were in bed. Yeah. Yeah. Wait. Okay. I did, I had this question when I was watching that scene where I was like, is he in pain?

Like, is he hurting himself in the chains? I was kind of. Wow. Yeah. I was thinking, you must get hurt on that show a lot. I do, actually. I do. I get a lot of bruises.

I get a lot of, yeah. I mean, you know, it's just you can't deliver. And let's be clear, I'm delivering. You can't deliver. Nava's eyes just checked out of her. They're still stuck in the back of my head. Her eyes picked up their bags and were like, I,

you're going to have to tune into YouTube for that great... I'll take a screen job posted on our Instagram. Yeah, no, no, no, no. I mean, I do... I do a lot of physical acting in it. And it's like, you know, at its best, it's good Jim Carrey,

and it's worse, it's bad Jim Carrey. Nothing but love for Jim Carrey. I mean, he's amazing. Yeah, and you can't, it's not like you can have a stunt double. Do you ever have stunt doubles? I do have a stunt double, of course. But, you know, it's remarkable how little they're often used. Yeah, because your face is seen so much. Yeah. And again, I do really like that. It's a, it's a role I outwardly struggled with, struggle with about, you know, the kind of emotional, moral dynamic and stuff. But, but, and to play him for so long is actually quite exhausting physically and mentally. I do love the physical task. It's one of the great joys of the role.

This season, you know, in part one, Reese emerges as the villain and Joe is the hero, which we haven't really, you know, last season. We had Love be more unhinged than Joe last season, but I wouldn't say that Joe was the hero. And I wouldn't even say that love was necessarily a villain. But this season, that is kind of the dynamic. Joe is the hero, Reese is the villain. What was that like for you kind of playing, playing the hero this season? And everyone knows, because I've revealed that I've seen the second part, but I was wondering this the whole time I was watching the first part.

Joe feels so meek. Can I trust that? Like, it feels strange to me. Meek, yeah, I remember when you texted me that. Yeah, I was like, why is Joe so meek this season? Well, meek, meaning like, like, maybe it's because there weren't any... More intensity. I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I do know that I felt like I was speaking even less

unusual he's doing a lot of thinking yeah a lot well because he's you know he's completely repressing himself he's he's repressing himself to such a high degree that you know yeah i think he is in this forced sort of uh he's in a forced state that doesn't really add up but that's what part two's about that's that's why i think part two is so rewarding it's like he he just sort of keeps exploding in different ways and that's you know that's what we're all coming here for um well speaking of part two is there anything that you can tease for us about part two like for example i haven't seen part two yet will we get to see more of taty is that something you can share i don't think i can share anything to be honest without tipping the hat so to speak there will be more hat

that's what everyone wants yeah there's been little there's been been very little hat this. Very little hat. That's true. Too much beard, not enough hat. Also, first season, no cage. And I want to tell you guys that the reason why, it's because Sophie and I stole it. And Penn will be in a cage for most of seasons. Recording, podcast. Tune into YouTube. It was the only way we could get them to do it. I did think in the first episode, I was like, how would they get a cage to London? Well, he would just have to buy the supplies again.

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Well, I did most of the season, right? Yes. Hey, psych. It's iconic. Why didn't they have you with a British accent in this season? I'm not a massive comment on that. Absolute mystery. Oh, no.

You're working it, working it in your mind, right? unbelievable I'm favorable Which of these are the iconic Joe lines How are you? Wait, what did you see comments on that now? When you and Netflix released the trailer There were several comments that were like

I was really hoping part of his persona was being a British professor People really wanted to hear you speak in a British accent Yeah, so here's a thing I'm going to go ahead and take a fun answer And make it make it boring and long as Oh, great, great. That's my favorite thing. No, strap in. It's really short, actually. All it is, is I can do an accent. However, it's, I'm like an all-and-nothing person. It's so hard to just do. I'm a very rhythmic, like, kind of mimic. I can totally get into that and drop into that. It's very hard to do. I don't, I'm not familiar enough with it at this point even. Like, while I was there, I probably could have done some of it. And even I think some of the, some of my castmates were like, oh, yeah, you really could do that. But it's so hard for me to take it seriously.

Yeah. No, I feel like it's very rare. It would be a missed opportunity, though, if we didn't get you at least say, hello you. Well, what should I say? Oh, hello. Yeah, that's great. That's the one. Well, here's a question, though.

It's cultural. Language is not just like the words. It's cultural. Would he say hello you? I mean, isn't that probably quite American? Like, what would a greeting be? It would be like, like. Cheerio.

No, I'm just kidding. Cheerio, mate. Americans always overdo it and sometimes it just sound sort of like top of the moment

top top top of the morning left this only place I feel comfortable you did you did it good

you did it well you did it well when I cut you yeah see that's what I mean it's really hard when everybody's listening and you know

guys we have millions of listeners let's just blow the middle off right now I mean yeah um

no I do think it's very rare for an American actor to do a good British accent you can't take them seriously but

more and more I'm watching shows and I go to look up the actor and it's a British actor doing an American accent. They can do it so well. I want a hot take pushback. Push pull. Sophie versus Penn Challenge. Go.

Let's do it. I actually feel like more than ever I'm noticing bad American accents from non-American actors. And I think we so I hear you, there's probably, there's a lot of them who do it very well. But I think there's just as, I want to dispel what might be a myth. I think it's just

it's just a perception. It's that whole anglophone thing we still have. Like, they're not better guys. They're not better. Sophie knows. I'm not going to say it because I don't want to burn any bridges, but there's a movie that came out this year where almost everyone in the cast was British or Australian playing a particular kind of American and I thought it

was laughable. I'm like cast one American at least in this like iconically American thing. Yeah, no and I think that happens too often. We do have this anglophone thing where we'll cast all of these non-American actors It's not bad an eye.

We don't bat an eye. And yet we really don't do that for other nationalities. That's true. As much, it's the... Can somebody stand up for Americans? Come on, man. Can somebody speak up for the little guy? Speaking of anti-American sentiment,

I did really enjoy the little quips about you being American in this season. Because I'm half British, half American, and I ended up in the U.S. and my sister ended up in the U.K. And even between the two of us, it felt familiar to me. The one-sided hatred from people in the U.K. towards people in America.

Oh, yeah. And I love it. I felt right at home in London. And, you know, my wife is British. Yeah. And, yeah, there's something about it. I enjoyed, apart from being away from my family for so long. And, you know, the continued sort of COVID of it all, sort of put the damp arm on things.

But I loved being there just as a place. It was like it was, I remember it so fondly. Yeah. Penn, before we wrap, did you have any questions you wanted to ask the viewers, me and Sophie? Or questions that people could answer on Instagram? I want to know how many of you still think love is coming back. Honestly, I just want like a number. I just want to know.

People are really holding on. It's a high number. They're holding on. Guys, I'm so excited to do the part two discussion because then we can really get into everything. And just say it one more time, part two is super, super juicy. And in fact, you have to subscribe for that one. Yeah. You can't.

We'll be able to tell if you have it. Yeah, you're not going to get that episode if you don't. I can subscribe. We're going to hack into your Netflix accounts and make sure it doesn't show up. We've had several people suggest that we close by saying keep crazy. crushing it, and I think it's a good idea. That's cute. I'm going to do it. You guys can say that.

Keep crushing it. Asshole. Everyone else. Keep crushing it. Bye. Bye. Keep on crushing. Pod Crushed is hosted by Penn Badgley, Navacavlin, and Sophie Ansari. Our executive producer is Nora Richie from Stitcher.

Our lead producer, editor, and composer is David Ansari. Our secondary editor is Sharaff and Twistle. This podcast is the ninth mode production. Be sure to see. subscribe to Podcrush. You can find us on Stitcher, the Serious XM app, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen. And while you're online, be sure to follow us on socials. It's at Podcresh, spelled how it sounds, and our personals are at Ben Badgley, at Nava, that's Nava with three ends, and at scribble by Sophie. And we're out. See you next week. I will try to be simple and direct,

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