Podcrushed - Bryce Dallas Howard

Episode Date: June 18, 2025

Today we’re joined by Bryce Dallas Howard, the acclaimed actor and director known for blockbuster films like Jurassic World: Dominion, Argyle, and Deep Cover, as well as standout roles in series like Black Mirror. Bryce shares a range of hilarious and heartfelt stories — from hanging out with Colin Hanks on her father Ron Howard’s film sets as a kid, to lightly stalking her now-husband Seth Gabel in her early twenties. And preorder our new book, Crushmore, here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Crushmore/Penn-Badgley/9781668077993      Want more from Podcrushed? Follow our social channels here: Insta: https://bit.ly/PodcrushedInsta TikTok: https://bit.ly/PodcrushedTikTok  X: https://bit.ly/PodcrushedTwitter   You can follow Penn, Sophie and Nava here: Insta: https://www.instagram.com/pennbadgley/  https://www.instagram.com/scribbledbysophie/ https://www.instagram.com/nnnava/ Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@iampennbadgley  https://www.tiktok.com/@scribbledbysophie  https://www.tiktok.com/@nkavelinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're hosts. I'm Penn. I'm Nava. And I'm Sophie. And I think we would have been your middle school besties writing Legolas and Aragorn fanfic. Ooh, steamy.

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He was looking at us all time. Welcome to Pod Crush. You've caught us mid-laugh. But just that you're never looking at us on Zoom. You're never looking at our faces. Why do you say that? Just before we started, he said, oh, let me pull up your faces again. And we've been talking for like 10 minutes.

It's so not true, though. I feel like, I mean, look, of all the faces I see virtually and in a work context, there are the two faces I see the most. That's how you minimize it to like minimize the amount that you have to actually. Speaking of which, actually, actually. Yeah, actually just a little bit of news, a little bit of housekeeping news before we move on. I've gotten a lot of messages. People are wondering, because David and I are moving to Austin, actually, this summer.

And people are wondering, is the podcast continuing? And it is. Because as you see now, well, Penn doesn't often see, but we are on Zoom most of the time. So we'll be continuing as normal. And then I'll be traveling when we need to. But yeah, really sad to be not in the same, not five minutes away from NAVA anymore. But still thousands of miles away for me. Yeah. I'm rude because I'm happy for Sophie to achieve her dream of having a yard two years ahead of her goal.

I am really sad that she's going to be so far away. Yeah, but it won't be any different for you listening. Yeah, for y'all crushies. Yeah. Only I am crushed in this scenario. What you may or may not be crushed about depending on how much you care about my face is that you will only be seeing half of it in this episode because I once again mounted my phone improperly. and the camera angle was all wrong and my face is cut off so sorry it's funny

yeah it is a fun part of these recent episodes is like where is Navas face gonna be yeah where's the angle all right well you know what you know whose face was just front and center this whole time who's ours was today's guest this is a really lovely one

I mean I suppose we say that a lot and every guest is special known way but Bryce Dallas Howard something really magnetic about her an award-winning actor and director who you probably know already from huge franchises like Jurassic World

Dominion she's got her epic epic episode of Black Mirror back in the day first film was the village from M. Night Shyamalan she's directed huge things a documentary for own

called Dads also some episodes of the Mandalorian and another doc she has about pets A few minutes into the episode she talks about her dad and we kind of all riff on that but we never mentioned who he is so just in case Wait wait wait wait who's her dad Ron Howard

Oh because I thought Oh because oh Now it makes sense Wow now it's why she was on set for Apollo 13 I was really having trouble Connecting that Anyway Bryce's newest project It's a film called Deep Cover, starring Orlando Bloom and Nick Muhammad.

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to really engage in the world in that way or at least see the world in that way. You know, the bug is calling them. You are in a smaller group of people where, you know, it seems as though the bug bit you very early. You come from a family where it was an obvious path if you wanted it, at least to explore, you know what I mean? So I'm just curious.

What was life like for 12-year-old Bryce? How did she see the one? world and what was her day-to-day life like between you know home and school um so i basically um i i the demarcation of time in my life is is basically determined by whatever movie my dad was making at the time so 12 was apollo 13 wow i you know i just had like a vision of being in that theater like nine years old of my mom sorry that was that's yeah that's massive wow yeah yeah yeah it was really cool really really cool and it was um like you're saying it's it was a it was certainly a formative time because i was kind of as a as a person i took a long time to come online sort of um

i was i was really introverted and um uh just quiet into myself and and had some some learning disabilities that were really confusing for people because they were like, she's testing really high here and she's testing really low here and we don't understand. And when I was 12, I had just gone through a bunch of tests and I was, of which many I scored very low. But there were some areas where I scored really high. And so I was able to enroll in a program that was in the summer that was like a like school in the summer but not like not like because you've missed school but it's like you get to take college classes and stuff like that like it was at it was at vassar college and so for me that year was a big deal because I started to I started to

understand what my strengths were intellectually and um and what my interests were and then in terms of Apollo 13, we all moved out to Los Angeles for that. I was raised mostly in New York. And I got to be on set as like an intern, basically. And Colin Hanks was on set as a PA. He was 16. And he was working his butt off. He was working really, really, really, really hard. And they sort of like assigned me to him and I had had a crush on Colin for so long. So, like, my whole life, my whole life. Like, just any time that I encountered him, I was like, oh, my God. Now, that's a man.

And so when I was there, I basically was like, I became like his, like, little buddy. They were like, yeah, Bryce can, like, help Colin out, who's, you know, actually doing real things. And so I would sort of take down the lunch orders and all of that. But, oh, man, oh, man. There was just, yeah, there was no chance, no shot. I was, I was pretty, like, I was braced face. And I had bangs then, but I hadn't figured out the cowlicks and had it kind of wrangle them. Do you think your dad or his dad knew about the crush or Colin?

I, I mean, my dad knew, for sure, for sure. I don't think his dad knew and I don't think he knew but but yeah no my dad totally knew that's really sweet that's so cute

it's also kind of answering one of our classic questions too because we always ask like what's a big first crush or first love or first heartbreak and sounds like that's it yeah I mean

Colin was a really he was a really big crush a really really really big crush but I was I did something that I wish everybody could experience and I'm sure a lot of people will argue with me on this but I decided that I wasn't going to date anyone

until I was 18. You decided to just yourself. Wow. Yeah, yeah. And I'm also, I'm like this. Like, I'm a little bit rigid. Like, I've never had a sip of alcohol my entire life. Wow.

I was just sort of like, nope, you know. And so with the dating thing and heartbreak thing, I mean, I genuinely may have had my heart bruised, but really never, never broken because I didn't start dating until I was 18. And at that point, like, and I got together with my husband when I was 19. Wow. Where do you think that comes from?

I mean, some of it is, of course, nature, but then, I mean, what aspect of it is nurture or environment? My mom is a very, she's sort of like very unapologetically. herself. She was really her and my dad met when they were 16. They just had their 50 year wedding anniversary yesterday. Oh my gosh. Congratulations

to them. That's incredible. That's really sweet. And she was when they went on their first date when she was, when they were 16, she had already soloed a plane by herself. She was managing a gun range

on her own. She was a single dad. So she was raising her younger sisters and also kind of taking care of her dad who was a scientist and so she was just very adventurous and capable. She was upset that there weren't

really athletic, that there weren't proper sports for girls just cheerleading and so she cut her hair and called herself Charlie and joined the football team and then when they found out that she was a girl they were like,

I didn't know. I know that could actually happen. I know that's about me. That's a plot. She's the man. She did that. She did that. Exactly. And so, but then when she got kicked off of that, she started a track team.

So she started, she was like, okay, can I, like, we need a different sports option here, other than cheerleading. And so she started the track team. So that was who my dad kind of fell in love with. And she's never been, she loves stories. She's a writer, all of that. but she's not at all interested in sort of like the industry in a classic sense and isn't ambitious in terms of any of that.

Like early on, 15 years ago started telling my dad was like, you've got to spend more time on TV sets because all this time that they give you to shoot, that's going to go away real soon. You're going to need to be able to keep up and you're going to need to be able to shoot things that are not the budget that you're used to. And so like 15 years ago, my dad started like visiting. TV sets and all of that. So she's very, she's savvy, but she's, um, but she's like, it's not, it's not something that, that is, that is really important to her. Like, what's

important to her is sort of like living life and, you know, and, and she definitely has this sense of certainty about her that is, that is unique. Bryce, do you remember how old you were when you decided not to date until you were 18? Before high school. Um, I, I, My first kiss was when I was 15 at Stage Door Manor. I did like a performing arts summer camp. And that was, you know, a lovely scenario. Didn't ultimately work out not because of anything other than he's gay. so it was like lovely

like everything was great honestly everything everything was so great and but I so I had that experience I was like okay I want to I was you know I wanted like kiss kiss a boy but but I just I was not it was before high school I was just like I don't want to

get in any drama I also never once ate lunch in the lunch room in high school I went to public high school and I never once went into the lunchroom for all of high school. There was a um like an alcove that I would go and like and and eat in or I would go hang out with Mr. Scotch who was like my, he was my English teacher and he was like my best friend and and yeah it was the best and so um and we're still totally in touch

so I would go I would go eat with him a lot and he wouldn't I was terrible terrible eater and so he used to keep Clementines in his office and I wasn't allowed to come in until I ate Clementine because I would like come in with like two bacon egg and cheese sandwiches and like two cookies and two chocolate milks and I was like that's the lunch and he's like you're going to die of scurvy that's what he would say I do want to hear more about Mr. Scotch I know that he showed like he was able to see through your learning disability at a time when it seemed other people weren't but I had one question related to that you're well researched so my goodness But I had a question related to that about, before you met Mr. Scotch, before you had a mentor who could kind of see through that, how were your parents helping you think about your experience with your learning disability?

Were they talking to you about it? Did they help you feel some confidence around it? What was that like? No, it was really confusing for them. They didn't really, I was always, I was always. a sweet kid and an affable kid but they weren't quite sure what was registering and what wasn't registering and then I was sort of go with the flow so it was like okay that's fine but as I got a little bit older like I remember my my dad would always say he he was like you know what

you would be so great at is you should like you should go and like work at like banana a republic or gap and you can like open the door for people and you've such a wonderful smile and like people will like want to come into the store because you're there and I was like I was like oh cool and he was like yeah you should apply to to like go and do some sort of internship there or something and and I worked at a um on the weekends starting in ninth grade I I worked at a little deli and I would do like the cash register and all of that and I can I remember my parents being like impressed that I was able to do that and it was it was because um in ninth grade my English class was English for a second language and I don't speak a second language and so it

it just there weren't really there wasn't really the structure um I mean listen I'm kind of private about this but but so I like I have been properly diagnosed and I'm on the autism spectrum. Okay. And so it's that's something that it is, it is confusing for parents because, and especially girls growing up, you know, in the 80s and 90s, they didn't think that that was possible. And, and so it was just like, yeah, so ninth grade, that was that, that was that. And then I had kind of the right structure and support and just sort of like came into my own

and senior year I won the English Award. So it was really, it was, it was, you know, definitely a journey. And even still now, my parents, like, still talk about it. They were like, it was just, you were such a mystery. And, like, you're still such a mystery. And, like, the things that you're into and the things that you do and things that you learn about. Yeah, that's how, yeah, yeah, I'm still a mystery. Because I get into things.

And then, like, I'm finishing a fine arts program right now. I'll graduate in October. And, like, I had never drawn or done anything before a couple of years ago. And I just got into some watercolors. And then I was like, like, it was just, like, intense. And so, and then it was like, okay, well, you can't stop here until I do, like, you know, fine art drawing and oil painting and mixed media and all of that. And so they're just, they're sort of. I think I'm, my dad understands me a lot more.

I think I'm, I'm a little perplexing. Yeah, I was a little perplexing to, to my mom for a little while. For sure. Were you, maybe as you were, you know, entering and coming through adolescence, did you think maybe you were going to be a writer more than anything? That's what it sounds like possible. You know, it's really funny. So, Loll and Bablu, these guys, Lul Gans and Boblou Mandel,

all these great writers. They wrote Parenthood. They wrote League of Their Own. They wrote like so many, so many of the splash, so many of the movies that my dad did and kind of like launched my dad's career as a filmmaker because of everything that they wrote. And they all had kids around the same time.

And we would all go to this like jimbery thing, like this like, you know, play area. and their kids would be playing and all of this and I would just be kind of like standing there and Loll and Bablu could see them my dad was always super stressed about it and they were like, don't worry wrong, she's just a writer, she's just a writer,

she's just not like, she's just not in it. Like I used to, I would never, never participate in recess. I would circle the yard and I would do the ABCs in sign language. And it was great. Like, it was great childhood with a very deep internal life. And then there was a tree that I would call my thinking tree. And I would go sit on the tree.

I was like removed from all the children. And maybe it seemed a little strange. But, but I really, I really, I really, I really liked it. Stick around. We'll be right back. One of the biggest changes I've made in my 30s is taking my health seriously. I've started paying attention to how my body actually feels every day, right? Right, because you have to, especially into your later 30s. You know, you just start to feel things that you didn't feel before.

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Yeah. And you've described her as like your soulmate. And I would love to hear more about that friendship, what it meant you growing up, but also how you've managed to nourish it and keep it into adulthood, because I've had a hard time kind of keeping friendships into adulthood.

Yeah, the only reason why it's really sustained into adulthood is because Moette is awesome and patient with me because just like, you know, it is hard to kind of like sustain those relationships, especially if you're not like a social person that like goes to coffee or meet something. for things. Like, I always sort of need, like, a little bit of, like, an activity or something like that. And so, and so I give Moette all the credit in the world. She, we went to high school together. I remember, like, seeing her cross a room and being like, oh, my God, I want to be

friends with her. And she just seemed so, she just had this aura of profound kindness. And, And so, yeah, so she, we became best friends, and I would go to her house every day after school and kind of just stay there. And her parents, they live in Japan full time, and they were in the States while she was being raised, but moved back to Japan right after when she went to college. and so we're sort of like whenever I visit Japan like the Hashimoto family is my family and the Howard family is Moet's family in the States

like for sure for sure for sure It sounds like you have really rich relationships in your life that's kind of maybe a bit of a weird thing to say and I don't know if that's the way you feel but that's you know it's a beautiful thing I think the richness of the relationships have to do with the duration of the relationships as well

like Moette and I became best friends when we were 15 one of my my husband and I have been together since we were 19 his best friend since kindergarten is Josh Gadd and so Josh is

do you know Josh? No well we may have met but no I don't know him you'll love Josh you'll love Josh you'll love him he's a blast and so you know that that's he's a godfather of our kids and

I think my parents were like that you know they they didn't have many friends but the friends that they have are like their friends from high school or their friends from like my dad did happy days when he was in high school so it's like it's like Henry Winkler

are my parents like you know essentially childhood friend even though it was in a professional setting that they met how did you meet your husband Seth at 19 so

I saw him similar but different from Moed I saw him across the room and I was like aha and I was with one of my friends at the time and I actually I broke into hives and my friend was like what just happened and I And I was like, look at that boy.

And I went. It's so sweet. You're like I'm finally past 18. Exactly. Exactly. And I went home and I wrote in my journal. I met the man I'm going to marry. And I still have that journal.

And so and then the real work began because I had to stalk him. Now I'm being kind of facetious because stalking is a serious thing. And nobody should stop. anybody else um uh but i did i like i kind of i i i did with his he was aware he was he was aware that i was interested and i made a point of we had a lot of friends in common and um like one of my friends had like a picture of him on their fridge and i like took it uh i was just like he's so And he, there was a party that I heard that he was going to be at. And it was a party, a party in Brooklyn.

We went to NYU. And it was an annulment party because two of our friends who were queer went to Atlantic City and got married and then we're doing an annulment party. And so I was like, and I never went. you. I know. Totally. Totally.

Early odds, of course. And I never, ever went out to parties. Like, ever, ever, ever, ever. But I heard that he was going to be there. And so I was like, okay, I'm going to go. What does one wear to an annulment party in Brooklyn? And I was like, naturally, my prom dress. And I heard of my prom dress.

And I walked in and my friends was like, oh, and here's parties. And the most beautiful dresses in the world. like a summer party. Like people were in like cut off shorts and like tank tops. And it was all ironic, all ironic, but I just didn't get the memo. And I thought I flirted with him mercilessly. But he said that I was just a little weird. Yeah, I seemed a little intense.

He like went home with someone else that day at the party. I was nothing. And then I went and saw him in a play. And I was like, oh my God, he's just so good. and I couldn't get him out of my head that night so I went and watched a midnight showing of Hannibal by myself. This is an amazing story.

And then after Hannibal, it was like 2 a.m. And I was like, I just, I have to make this happen now. So I called one of my friends who had his number and she was like, hello? Like it was 2 a.m. And I was like, can you get me? It was my friend Mary. I was like, Mary, can I have Seth's number?

And she was like, okay, I know you're not drunk dialing me because you don't drink but I still need you to promise me that you're not going to call him until tomorrow and I was like absolutely I will not call him until tomorrow she gives me his number I call him immediately you're like it's already tomorrow yes exactly and so I left a message on his on his voice memo or on his actually on his home machine

and the message was like hi I'm Bryce I'm a redhead I don't know if you remember me we have a lot of friends in common And I'd love to, like, hang out sometime. That would be so great. I would love that. And he didn't call me back. And then I later found out that his roommate at the time is someone who I knew, who I had done some classes with.

His name is Dane. And Dane listened to my message. And Dane was like, Seth, I heard Bryce left this message on our machine. Like, you should hang out with her. She's cool. And he's like, she seems kind of intense. And Dane was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, you got it. Like, you should, you should go out with her.

It's also not true, but you can be many things. You can be many things. So I go, I go out with him and it, like, we hit it off and it's great. And I later became, I became writing partners with Dane for six years. And then I set him up with my sister and they're married and they have three kids. Wow. So I owed him. I owed him one for sure.

Oh my God. What an incredible story. It is. I think this is my favorite story. There's just something, I don't know if I'm like, you seem to have like a more incredible life and to be more interesting than any character you could ever play. Yeah.

There's just the quality of every story you're telling. I'm like, wow. Well, thanks, Ted. That really sounds amazing. That makes you feel really good. I mean, I'm just, I'm a lot, I'm a lot. In the best way, in the best way. Wow, I love that.

Thank you so much for sharing that. That's really, that's so uplifting. I really love hearing that. We ask everyone a question about middle school, which is to share an embarrassing or awkward memory. I don't know if you have anything that stands out to you that you wouldn't mind sharing. I think a lot of these classify, I think they're, like, they're great. They've got so many levels, but please, please.

Give us more. I have some. I have some. I have many. I have so many. Too many to count. We all do. But one that occurred to me was when I was 14.

Does this qualify being 14? Totally. Okay, 14. When I was 14, this is a very weird thing that this even happened. The school that I went to, before. I went to public school. This is one of the reasons where I went to public school for high school. I was like, I think I'm done with private schools for a little bit. I went to a private school for lower school and middle school. And there was a class

trip arranged. And this was in the 90s, probably 90, what would it be 95, 96, 95? And the class trip was to Russia. And I think one of our teachers Wait, do you mean the... The country, Russia. Your class trip was to Russia. Classic private school. Moscow. Moscow.

Everyone else is going to D.C. Exactly. I swore I misunderstood. We also did D.C. We also did D.C. But not all of us did D.C. Because of what I'm about to tell you. Okay.

So we go to Russia. And, like, the first night, all the kids figure out that the drinking age is 14. And they go absolutely berserk, like, to a degree that is so terrifying. I'm the only one that doesn't drink. I'm the only one on this entire trip that didn't drink. Wow. A kid like shaved his head

with like a razor that you would shave your legs with and it was like there were like scabs everywhere there was like a girl that locked herself in a bathroom with like pills at one point and the whole thing was just was it absent? This sounds like it was more than just

honestly and I was like where are the teachers so it was very intense and I was just like just like just get through this first night. It's going to be okay. The next day, we went and visited a local school. And so the next day, everybody, apart from me, is incredibly hungover, but they're

not wanting to let the teachers know that anything is happening. So we're there. And we also want to be, like, we're being hosted, you know, like, we want to be, like, respectful. American kids in Russia. Exactly, exactly. And it's, like, instantly embarrassing. because like all the kids in the school are like trilingual and you know what I mean like it's like incredibly incredibly impressive intellectually and you know very very gracious and respectful and we it's arranged for us to play a basketball game and so I'm like okay we're playing a basketball game and people are really dragging and this kid the kid that had shaved his head and had like this bloody head in the middle of the basketball game just comes up to me and goes

and throws up all over me. And I was just like I can only imagine what the Russian parents were thinking and they're like these fucking American kids are a mess. I'm so sorry.

I'm so sorry. They're like, you don't be sorry. I'm like, no, I'm sorry. On behalf of all these drunkards. There's a bleed and vomiting child. What's wrong with him? Honestly, honestly. And so

the trip ended and it was a big deal because every single person had to be brought into the principal's office and they had to be they were asked you know

did you drink and the answer for everyone apart for me was yes and so I go in and they're like Bryce did you drink

and I was like no I promise no and they were like they all laughed and they're like we know you didn't you're like you were the only one

so all of those kids got suspended from the Washington, D.C. trip. So I basically went with, like, the five kids who weren't able to go on the Russian trip to D.C. that year. Wow. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wow. So that was, I was, I was very, I was very, I don't, I don't get embarrassed easily, but I was very embarrassed collectively for everyone, especially being the person who was vomited on in the basketball game. How did you have that kind of, like, to be the

single, not like, one of five kids who you could kind of like you know band together and be like yeah look at them like they're they're doing this crazy thing and we don't want to participate but for you to be the only person like how do you think you withstood that like social pressure that I'm imagining was there seems like you didn't feel it but can you know problem it might have been the kid bleeding from his head that might be the thing yeah there was no the the peer pressure thing is it's not a thing that really resonates or I haven't been kind of put in a scenario

where I've really felt like, I've got to, you know, I've just got to do this thing. I just want everybody to know that she just described life as a circumstance where she doesn't ever really feel like she's in a position to be put in peer pressure. That's amazing. That's amazing. I was earlier going to ask if, like, you know, At some point it was like a natural thing.

I was like, well, do you admire your father? Your father must admire you. Yeah. Oh my God, that's so sweet. I mean, he's, I've got plenty of things that are not admirable about me. Like plenty and plenty. And I do admire him. My God, he's an impeccable human.

The peer pressure thing is just I sort of, I made a decision about like, I'm not going to do this. And so the banter with people about like, oh, are you going to do this? was like, no, no, I'm not. I'm not, no, I'm, I'm really not. Like, no, I'm not going to eat in the lunchroom. It's too stimulating. Like, I'm not going to, like, I spoke at graduation and my high school graduation. I, like, literally, my entire speech was about, like, not being in the lunch room.

Oh, it's a place where it's like a big grand experiment where we're all put together in a building. It's like, let's see what happens. Honestly, yeah. So the, I do feel peer pressure. in terms of, like, not wanting to, like, make a mistake or not wanting to, like, be an idiot or, or I should go to the thing for the thing, to be respectful. Like, that's all peer pressure, and that's all very real.

But sort of the feeling pressure to do something that you know you shouldn't do, I was very, I, I, My identity was so much about I don't break rules. Like, I will not jaywalk. I will not jaywalk. Even in New York, no. Nope. What?

No. In New York City. In New York City. Wow. That's amazing. I will not. And it's, you know, charming once and then annoying the rest of the time to, like, everybody in my life. I believe that.

But I just do not, like the few times, there's, there's one time I took a picture of it where the signs were like both on at the same time and I was like, what am I supposed to do with this information? What do I do? So, anyway. I can't get enough of these stories. I know.

Great. Bryce, we have to transition into your career, but it's hard to do because you've like been on sets. No, but I mean, you've like been on sets your whole life. I guess you started in theater. So maybe you can help us. Sort of like, what do you consider the pivotal moment that was like a professional transition for you.

Yeah, yeah. It was definitely, it was doing theater. I went to NYU and I did a play at NYU that a lot of people called The Naked play. I was naked on stage for like 45 minutes, not like 45 minutes, 45 minutes, literally. And from that, got an agent who was an assistant at the time. And then I was with her for like 20 years. Now she's a manager, which is a wonderful lady. And so from that, I started auditioning, but I didn't want to leave school.

And so it was just kind of theater stuff. And then eventually, after a very, very long time, I got a theater job at the Manhattan Theater Club. And then there was sort of like a year and a half where things, I took a leave of absence from school. And things kind of overlapped. So while I was performing at MTC, I was then rehearsing during the day for, There was a Broadway show that I did, Tartouf at the Roundabout. And then when I was performing that, then I was rehearsing for a regional show for Our Town. And then the last show and that kind of like string of shows was, as you like it, at the public theater.

And that was a career-defining moment in a huge way because M. Knight-Chamalan saw that play and then cast me. in the village, which was my first movie. So that was a really, really, really, really lucky break. Very lucky break. It's incredible that your first movie was like a lead role, and he's like so hot at the time, and it's an incredible movie. And Joaquin? And you, I mean, everybody's like so phenomenal in it.

My God, guys, I had the biggest crush on Joaquin Phoenix when I was seven years old, and he was Leaf Phoenix, and he was in Fernhood. And it was insane being like, Oh, you want me to play a character who's, like, been in love with this guy, like, her whole life? Sure. No problem. No problem. BDH crushes hard on a movie set. As a child. That was very, I mean, incredibly courageous of night to cast me.

And he was really supportive. and, you know, lots of rehearsals and all the actors were, like what Penn said, it was like, you know, Joaquin Phoenix and Adrian Brody right after he won an Oscar and William Hurt and Sigourney Weaver and just, you know, just Brennan Gleason just an unbelievable group of people.

So very, very magical. You were in, I mean, one of, I think, the most iconic Black Mirror episodes, Nosedive. I mean, I think about that episode all the time and I feel like it's just becoming more and more. It was released in 2016, but it's just becoming more and more relevant. But as a mother,

my daughter's only 18 months old, so I have a while to think about it, but it does start pretty early, like engagement with social media and technology, and I'm curious how you have approached that yourself as a mother. Yeah, no, that's really been a thing. I think that doing that episode, which I love doing that episode,

So it's directed by Joe Wright, who did Atonement and Pride and Prejudice and Darkest Hour. And, I mean, he's just Ciro no recently. Just such a beautiful, beautiful filmmaker. And so, you know, I felt very lucky to be in that. And I had only joined, talk about peer pressure. I'd only joined social media two weeks prior to doing. the episode. I was like a very, very, very, very late adopter in terms of that. I never had like MySpace or Friends Store or any of those things. And I joined it and it was very informative

to, like that was, you know, intentional. I was like, oh, wow, my life just went from idyllic to a hellscape. How interesting that you buy something and then your life becomes this and you're trapped. But you think it's a gift. So it was very, it was kind of like a good, a good moment for that. As a parent,

I was really, really, really, really strict. And then as they, they're 18 and 13 now. And as they got older, I realized I was like, oh man, what's so cool is I've got this episode. I can show them that, where I can like, you know,

just properly traumatize them before they endeavor upon a relationship with this is mommy on social media if you want to be like this like 1,000 percent 1,000 percent like my kids call me Mumsie

and I was like Mumsie has a movie to show you so sick so sick so that was my that was my role for them I also I did a TED talk as well a few years ago about preserving your private life, you know, while living in public, which we're all doing now.

We all have public lives. And so that was sort of my mandate for my kids. I was like, before you have a cell phone, you need to watch the Black Mirror episode, you need to watch the TED Talk, and then we need to have a sit down and kind of figure out some boundaries and all of that. And, you know, it's a mess for everybody at all times. But it definitely, it definitely I think it gives me a little bit of an advantage as a parent

being able to be like see this thing here like I can't be the lady who's in that episode and is also just letting my kid go down the drain like I can't I can't

no that's a great curriculum just to start off with that's what I'll do Black Mirror Ted Talk and then we'll get you on the phone I don't know I don't know

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if there was any actual improvisation that made it into the film, or did you guys kind of follow the script pretty strictly? Can you tell us about that? So the premise of the movie Deep Cover, it's an action comedy, a British action comedy, I'm the only American in it, and

it's about a group of improv actors who get recruited to do low-level sting operations for the Met Police in London, and because the central tenant of improv is yes and they keep getting kind of like drawn deeper and deeper and deeper into this criminal underground empire and getting more and more and more in trouble so it's very it's it's very

fun especially it's fun to play an actor and then you get to like you know as an actor make fun of actors like that's a very juicy thing to do um particularly like something about the characters so i play i play basically someone who's like a failed out actor who's a teacher, an improv teacher in the UK. She comes from Chicago. And she has this, she gets recruited

and she needs to bring like two other like operatives. And she's got like her like two other like star students who get agents. So she ends up recruiting her two worst students. One is a method actor

played by Orlando Bloom. And he, is so brilliant because anyone who knows anything about improv, it is the opposite of being a method actor. It's all about just like being present

and listening to your partner and just not trying to sort of like get out of your head, you know? And being a method actor is like a very kind of, there's a lot of rumination and it's very internal and you're really kind of thinking through what you're wanting to do and whatnot.

And so Orlando was absolutely, hilarious is that and then nick mohammed who's a fantastic comedian he um was on ted lasso just so so so so so good and um and he plays a guy who's like you know insecure at work and and doesn't have any friends and so he signs up for these improv classes he's brilliant that guy i love him he's so funny yeah brilliant so he signs up for these classes to to gain some confidence and so just the long-winded answer to your question is the script was written by these guys who are a really famous improv comedy duo in the UK. Ben Ashton and Alexander Owen, they're called The Pin.

They performed on the West End for years. They are brilliant. So they improvised their way into a script that was so tight and so funny. It was like, how can we improve upon this? And yet, they played the detectives in the movie, like the writers. They were the detectives. So they were there constantly, and they had worked with the director Tom Kingsley a ton. And so we would do a lot of improv to kind of like find our way into a scene.

And sometimes there would be things that would stay in the cut. But honestly, I mean, Orlando improv some stuff that's definitely in there. But Nick, Nick was the improv winner. Like, no question about it. And so that was very fun. So we didn't need to. But we did. It was fun.

and mostly the stuff that survived was Nick. That's really cool. Yeah, I was going to say, I feel like I can't think of any time I've seen Orlando Bloom and I don't even think of him as comedy. I think of him as so much action. So it was so fun to see him kind of in this role.

Was he kind of a revelation? Yeah, completely. And I also haven't seen him in anything in a while. So it was just like, I mean, you were all amazing, but Orlando did kind of. It was like, wow, this is so cool to see him and kind of like let loose. It was so fun.

Oh, no, he pops in a big way in this movie. I think his fans are going to love him in this. Oh, they're going to go nuts. Because he basically plays like three different characters because he's this method actor

who's then going undercover as this other character and then you learn his real backstory which is very endearing. And so it's, I mean, it was like, you know, we're doing this comedy and it's fun and it's light

and we're all having a good time. and so is Orlando. But my God, he definitely had the most intensive job because he was like, so when I come to the scene, am I Roach, am I Marlon, or am I Tristan? I'm like, oh, my God, it's too much. Then the Oscar goes to Orlando Blue. It's pretty astonishing.

So amazing. Bryce, you're also a director. You've directed several things. I'm curious, I mean, there's so much to choose from, but I guess Star Wars, we should probably talk about that. There's such a huge fan base, and I think you yourself are a lifelong fan.

And I'm wondering if being a lifelong fan, if you noticed if that impacted the way that you directed Star Wars versus other things that you've directed, or if it's, if it kind of translates in the same way. Well, something that I've kind of realized in my life is that my enthusiasm is my superpower. So when I'm doing something,

I get pretty enthusiastic. enthusiastic about it, no matter what it is. And it's, I mean, it's genuine. Like, I don't get enthusiastic about everything. We definitely believe you. It's clear. That's what I'm saying. It's amazing.

It's wonderful. But I get very, very, very excited. And so it's, it's, Star Wars is very, very exciting, but so is directing a sheep for a VW commercial. You know, like, it's all, it's all interviewing kids for. or a pet's documentary. You know, I love, I love all of it. What's interesting for me about Star Wars is that I actually,

I don't have this sort of classic relationship that most folks have to the movies because like normally you, like with Jurassic, for instance. Like I watched Jurassic in the theaters when I was 12, opening weekend, and I cried when I saw the visual effects because I knew that cinema had changed forever.

Like, I was like, oh, my God, it's real dinosaurs. Like, I was like, really incredibly moved. And so that, I became a fan of Jurassic through being an audience member. I became a fan of Star Wars because I love George Lucas. And grew up with George. George cast my dad in American graffiti when he was 17 years. old. My mom was around them. He was George's 10 years old or he's always been an incredible mentor to my dad almost like he's like a big brother to him. And getting to be on the, the way my

memory works is like I remember things like it happened as an adult. Like there's not like the sort of like, oh, this is when I was a kid and this was when I was adult. Like it's just sort of all the same. And so being on this set of, and I have a pretty strong memory. And so being on the set of Willow, for instance, where George was there, like, that was just, that was so vivid. And seeing the way that he worked and seeing the way he supported my dad and the visual effects that were able to, to, I mean, be invented on that show. Like, morphing was invented on, on Willow. And then just like being at Skywalker Ranch and all that kind of stuff and seeing the posters and just seeing George's passion and dedication and the ways in which he was always so collaborative and inclusive and bringing people in to to these like extraordinary worlds that he would create. You know, I just I fell I fell in love with it.

And then I went to stage door manor for summer camp. And Natalie Portman was going there. And shortly after that, she started working on Star Wars and she did the prequels. And all that was, like, pretty confidential. But she was 15. Like, you need some friends around. And so I was 15 when she was doing that? She was 15.

She turned 16 on the. on the shoot, yeah. Wow, if you would have asked me, my memory I would have thought like at least 20, that's crazy. No, she was 15 years old, 15 years old. And it was also like,

I mean, she's such a pro and so brilliant and can do anything. For me, what I was observing is like she was a 15 year old and when she turned 16, the laws are different in the UK. And so you work according to adult hours. But if you're still doing school,

you're doing adult. hours and you're still doing school. And if you're Natalie Portman, you're, like, on your way to Harvard. So it's serious. You know what I mean? Like, it's very serious. And I don't know how she juggled at all. But getting to be there and to be around that and to see George shooting and digital

filmmaking was such a big deal and just, like, rooting for it, you know, and excited about it. And so when my dad stepped in to do solo, I asked to shadow which took a little while to convince him that that was an okay thing and I would be in some of the meetings and

he would be kind of shocked because they would show characters and I would be like wait Darth Mall but how does he have legs and my dad would be like like how do you know about this I was like but I was there that day

you know so it was just sort of the world just was around. You're a part of that world, it sounds like, actually. I can't say a part of it because I, but, but close to it. You were, you, you were a part of it happening. I mean, you were, you were, you were there. So it's interesting that it's like it's somehow intrinsic to your, your directorhood.

or you just, there's something happening there that's like, it's just not an average relationship to it at all. Yeah. It's very, very, very, very, very fortunate. So the fact that I am able, I mean, I love directing and love directing on Star Wars. And I love working for John Favreau and Dave Filoni. Love those guys.

Oh, my God. Like, John Favro is the most incredible mentor as a director. Oh, my God. And Dave Filoni has really taught me everything that I know about Star Wars. And Dave's ethos is to really always go back to George, like, understand what George's influences were. Like, understand what was, what went into the recipe that is Star Wars. Because when you understand that, then you're going to be able to make choices from a more

informed place and so it's it's just it's been many years getting to getting to work on those shows and and i just i i adore it if you boil it down to the essence of what it star wars is for you because i actually you know i happen to not be a massive star wars fan i'm not that knowledgeable of the whole world but of course it's um i'm in the minority there um so i'm i'm curious i know that it has some deeply philosophical and spiritual principles kind of at its core. I'm curious, what is that core to you as you understand it and as you apply it as a director?

The thing that's cool about Star Wars, from my perspective, is that it seems like, at least from, if you think about it from a place of genre, there's something for everyone. There are, like, George's influences were Spaghetti Westerns, Kerasawa Flash Gordon so there's a real

like if you like if you if you like movies where racing is happening that happens in Star Wars if you like movies where there are

where it's you know supernatural and people have supernatural powers and all that kind of stuff that happens in Star Wars if you just if you want like gangsters and

kind of of dangerous world and people doing seedy things to one another but having fun and it's a little bit juicy that's in Star Wars so it's it has so much humanity in it and it really reflects planet earth without being so specific that it's a commentary and so I think I think that if you get into it you can really you

relate to it in ways that are perhaps a little bit surprising, I do not like hard fantasy, and I do not like hard sci-fi. There are some exceptions, like, is Star Trek hard sci-fi? Like, I love Star Trek Next Generation. Like, I'm obsessed. I love, love it, love it, love it, love it, love it. But for the most part, what I love about Star Wars is that it is, like, messy, dirty, real people, you know, it's not, I mean, until you get to kind of like more of the Jedi where there is, there is a formality, there is stoicism, there is all of that. But because of the

stories, we know what's also underneath that and the cost of that. And so I think when it comes to the lore, there's, there's something for everyone. And in particular, as it pertains to the force I mean that's so personal like what what is the force you know George would say the force is is God um but anyone gets to kind of determine what that what that means for them but I really like I believe in like I believe in the force like I believe in it and and I find it strange that like I can't move things you know that I, like, I'm like, Bryce, I think if you could put your mind to it,

you, you might be able to. The energy is there. I don't know. I could fool myself into thinking maybe for us. But, but it's, it's, I just, yeah, I, I, I, I believe in, in Star Wars as if it's, as if it's real. It feels, it feels, it feels very honest. Um, and, and playful and entertaining.

It doesn't take itself very seriously. So, anyway. That's what I like about Star Wars. Well, that is a natural segue back to our last question. We're about to lose you. If you could go back to 12-year-old Bryce, what would you say or do if anything? I would say, never diet.

Love that. That's great advice. Never ever diet. Don't try to change your body based on what you eat and how your movements are. Two separate things. You have no control over your body. So just eat what you need to eat to feel good

and move how you need to move to feel good and everything else is going to land where it's going to land. So I never had an eating disorder or anything like that but just through kind of like being told because I have a meeting. sized body. It was like, oh, but we like you, but we like you, but like 15 pounds less. And that, that became a sort of huge distraction.

Huge distraction. It's like, it doesn't even work. So, yeah, I would just say straight up, no dieting, never. For me, for me. Yeah, great. Now, obviously, like, I have food allergies, so I'm not talking about that, like, when you actually have to, like, you know, have something for your health, but just not, not not trying to control the size of your body.

Totally, yeah. Well, that's perfect. I love that answer, Bryce, because it is a huge distraction and a massive waste of time. A massive waste of time. It makes things worse. It does make things worse. It actually makes it harder to stay at a healthy level.

Everything. Yeah. Everything. So, yeah, I really believe in health at every size. And the unhooking myself from that, which happened around when I did Black Mirror. was like I told some folks in my life that I decided to stop dieting

and their question to me was am I going to retire? Wow! I love the transparency at least. Yeah. Wow. You know, I love that it's deaf. I mean, oh, yeah. I was like, huh?

Wow. Huh? No, I'm not going to retire. You're like, shut up, dad. No, I'm of course, kidding. You can watch deep cover on Amazon Prime now, and you can keep up with Bryce Dallas Howard online at Bryce D. Howard. Podcrushed is hosted by Penn Badgley, Navacavalin, and Sophie Ansari.

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