Podcrushed - Drew Barrymore

Episode Date: May 25, 2022

Drew Barrymore joins the crew to share hilarious and heartfelt stories about her turbulent adolescent years in the spotlight. They marvel at the power a little discomfort has in bringing you closer to your full self. Come to our launch party! We're hosting a middle-school-dance-themed kickoff for the podcast on Thursday, June 2nd in Brooklyn, NY. Tickets here: linktr.ee/podcrushed Follow us on socials:instagram.com/podcrushedtwitter.com/podcrushedtiktok.com/@podcrushed See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And where guests share their teenage memories, both meaningful and mortified. And we're your hosts. I'm Nava, a former middle school director. I'm Sophie, a former fifth grade teacher. And I'm Penn, a middle school dropout. We're just three beehis who are living in Brooklyn. Wanting to make stuff together with a particular fondness for awkward nostalgia. Well, I struggle with nostalgia.

I'm here for the therapy. Hey, pod crushers. Do not. No pod crushers. No pod crushers. No pod crushers. I think we should use all of this. I'm going to tell you something.

This is behind the scenes. I've tried to record this intro a few times. times and it's just too long and and it's because we have a guest who needs no introductions so guess what I didn't introduce her the moment she appeared on our screens talking to us we just like we just got rolling I will say her name with reverence and levity and admiration as it deserves Drew Barrymore graced us with her presence today evidently Drew is a real fan of my show you and me so basically there's just like there's these three people daniel schneider casey wilson and drew barrymore and they had this back and forth where they would talk about my show

you saying i love you and then another person being confused by it so so they they have like you not you mugs they really have their like this running i mean i'm confused right no and i i wasn't i wasn't aware of it but it was a thing it was becoming a thing that the people who followed their show like really really know and love so daniel invited me on drew's show to say surprise her. So I decided I need to give you you. And by you, I mean, pen Badgley. What?

Is this where I say something? It was like, is this real? I don't know. Is this real? Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. That's so fun. You had told us about it, but I didn't realize how intense it was.

Why is you? I would stand outside my window and care about what I was thinking. behaving and feeling and I just kill me dead! I'm sorry. Drew and Casey are like fully in their bodies. Like it's a full body reaction. Yeah, like they went upside down for real.

And I loved it. I feel like it really reminded me of the story that we're going into on this episode. This is one of my favorite stories. I say that about a lot of them, but this really is one of my favorites. It's called The Wallflower. And it's a real life middle school.

stories submitted by a listener and read to us by Penn. Sophie's got about 30 favorites. But let's roll to this favorite, the wallflower. And after that, we'll chat with Drew. Does anyone else ever get that nagging feeling that their dog might be bored? And do you also feel like super guilty about it? Well, one way that I combat that feeling is I'm making meal time everything it can be for my little boy, Louis. Nom Nom does this with food that actually engages your pup senses with a mix of tantalizing smells,

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understand ourselves, others, and the world around us. I hope these conversations bring you moments of resonance, hope, and growth. Listen to pulling the thread from Lemonada Media wherever you get your podcasts. In the seventh grade, I transferred from a private Catholic school in Maryland to a public school in an affluent area of Houston. And the year was 1988 Crocodile Dundee was all anyone talked about in Scorts. were all the rage. I was a little chubby and a lot cute, but I had no friends. Despite all this, my mom managed to convince me that it would be a great idea to go to the middle school dance.

So I went alone, and I felt so awkward. I stood around on the outskirts of the dance floor, just waiting for someone, anyone. Come talk to me, please. It seemed like everybody else had their person. Then, I heard it. The greatest song of all time, pour some sugar on me by Death Leopard. The music, it took a hold of me, and I couldn't stop myself. And at some point, my eyes closed, my head was thrown back. I'm singing at the top of my lungs. I mean, by the time we get to the first course, I'm fully engaged. My limbs are flailing. I'm head-bbing.

My feet. Who knows what my feet are doing? So the song ends. I open my eyes. The entire school surrounding me, every eye trained on the mouths agape. I believe several students may have been laughing at my expense. Apparently, I was no longer the seventh-grade wallflower. Look, my every thought turned towards death.

Please just let me pass out and ascend. And right here, right now, of course, no such thing happened. Instead, I ran away dramatically to the nearest pay phone. I called my mom, bawling. I blamed her for forcing me to go and humiliate myself. To this day, at age 44, I can only dance when properly intoxicated, and I can never listen to that sugary sweet hit without wanting to vom. Hello.

Drew. Hi. Drew, welcome. Hi. You just walked off your set, didn't you? You just walked off stage. I would not look like this if I could not just walk right off the set. Thank you.

We're honored. Thank you for asking me to come on today. I am truly feeling starstruck. I know you don't know who I am, but we've done many interviews in this is the first time. And we're going to keep it that way. I'm not going to introduce them. Penn never introduces us. Before you came on, we're like, Penn, can you please introduce us?

It's well documented that I'm not, you know, I'm learning how to be a host, Drew, as I guess you are too, but you're like killing the game. Oh, God, thank you. And it doesn't feel that way at all. But I was listening to a clip in preparation for this, you guys, from the story. And I think it's such a secret weapon and recipe of your current show, you, is your voice is so conducive to storytelling. You have a perfect voice to do the narration and the voiceover. the show and I was just captivated at word one it's very soothing your voice I feel like when life gets really scary it would be a good thing to tune into your voice but what do I do

what about when your life gets scary what about me I don't know if you're going to be able to do it for yourself but you will do it for everybody else that's very very kind Penn's wife, Domino, is maybe the only person who has, like, a sweeter, more mellifluous voice than Penn. You know, she really does. I agree. It's very melifluous. One of my favorite words ever. Right?

I love you. God, sexy. The dictionary is my biggest, one of the great loves of life. And you had me at melifluous. Oh, thank you. Drew, last night I had my dad over for dinner. This is a bit of a non-secretter. but we've interviewed several guests and all amazing.

There hasn't been like a dud in the bunch, but I told him we were interviewing you. And he started crying, and he was like, I'm so happy for you. Drew Baramore. She's a national treasure. And he hasn't reacted like that to anyone. It was like the sweetest reaction.

And then I started crying. And I was like, yeah, like I'm going to interview Drew Baramor. So just wanted to say that because it was so sincere. What's your dad's name? His name is Tommy Cavillin. Hi, Tommy. He's going to die. I know he's going to love that.

Oh, my God. It's funny. Okay, so here is what I went through emotionally when you just told me that story. It made me feel very excited and proud to be someone in his eyes that seemed okay. And even as someone who's just hearing about Tommy and his reaction, I'm like,

oh, I'm so relieved not to be a hot. mess or a sad case or I'm so relieved that your dad feels that way. Yay. Okay, Drew, we actually want to get your reactions to the story. So I want to know, do you relate to this girl at all? What were you like as a teenager? Well, when the story ended, I just thought those are the best moments that can happen to somebody. They feel like the worst moments, but they're the moments that inform you of how you're going to treat other people and not make them feel like that and not let them feel like that.

Like maybe you're a barrier to bad and a conduit to something better. That is the breeding ground of empathy. So I'm sorry that that happened and I'm so glad that that happened because the end of that story is the beginning of the beauty. The moment where she's on the dance floor

and she's just completely lost in it and like her body is flailing. I mean, even reading that story and hearing Penn narrated, I'm like, savor that moment. That's the best moments. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think circumstantially,

people might have different stories, but I'm convinced so many of the feelings are the same. Yeah, I really feel the same way. I mean, I do recall maybe telling a story about growing up in Hollywood and passing and somebody who didn't do that might marvel at the circumstances and then I say well you know but I really do feel like it's it's the same as just more extreme you for for most of your life you've been very transparent and vocal about

your tribulations growing up in this industry yeah and you know I I did not have the extremity of the circumstances you did but I but I did share in a lot of that I mean you know I was I was emancipated, not legally, but I didn't need to go to school anymore once I was 13. I had the equivalent of a high school diploma. So I didn't have to work child hours. I didn't have the child labor laws. And I had a lot of friends who were in similar boats. And so there's just something about growing up in Hollywood that more and more, I mean, I don't know, I'm 35 now. And I'm still really chipping away. It's funny because I'm binging euphoria right now. And there's so much in that that I relate to.

And that was my experience that was not the Hollywood side of it. Like at a certain point, my mom was a single mom. Like, we were living in the valley. And I wasn't working. So there weren't like, there wasn't really income coming into the house. And I was so, like, out of control and, like, partying and just rebelling and lying to my mom. And she was doing crazy stuff. And it was nuts.

And I'm watching Euphoria going, a lot of people are looking at that show as art that they don't relate to. So they're talking about the cinematography. I'm like, oh, I've been institutionalized. I've been left in those crazy places. I have been on weird couches at weird people's houses, on drugs with like no hope in sight of like where life is going. To the point where you're like, screw it, I've got nothing to lose. I don't even think I'm saying I want to not be on this planet, but I'm just living a very bizarre existence

and the edge is fun. I'm young, I'm an idiot, I'm invincible, I'm immortal, screw y'all, I'm doing this. And then I'm watching as a parent just going, how do you not know that your kids are selling themselves for Bitcoin so that they can buy drugs? It's like, what in the hell? Spoiler.

You can buy drugs with Bitcoin? Apparently. That was originally, I think, what Bitcoin was used for. Not just drugs, though, right? It was used for... Darker things as well. I didn't know you get... In the show, you just get cash for the Bitcoin, too.

I'm like, is that a Bitcoin worth? Yeah, like, we're all getting a lesson on Bitcoin from you for. And I was wondering, Drew, because you obviously, like, you know, the... I think the tide is shifting, hopefully, in a positive way for women and, like, appropriate treatment of children. but I can't imagine what you were subjected to in the 80s and 90s, and also knowing, obviously, to some degree, the challenging, like, home environment that you had. I feel like a lot of people could have become bitter or hard, and you're known for, like, a characteristic sweetness and kindness. And I wanted to know how did you, to the degree that you're aware, how have you been able to shield your heart from bitterness and, like, find joy and kindness?

And how have you risen up like that? I feel very positive about everything. And I've always worked on myself with like my mom threw me in an institution at 13 because she just didn't know what to do with the monster she created. It was the best thing she could have ever done because it was so hard core and such a wake of call and such a cold water in your face freak out. They just would work us in groups and therapy and talking about everything out in front of each other. you with kids your age yeah and it was an adult ward too so we saw some very colorful characters

who were older um so you kind of knew where you were headed if you didn't get it together so it was great but yeah i was with kids and the the institution was very deep in north valley so there was no hollywood there was no malibu bullshit patina it was like the valley can get really yeah I lived in the valley, and I lived kind of deep in the valley in the beginning. Yeah, it's not Hollywood. It's far from it. No, no, not at all. All the kids that I was...

It's like euphoria. Yeah, no, I'm not kidding. Isn't euphoria rich kids, or are they? I don't know. I've never seen it. Oh, my God, buckle up. I was totally living euphoria. It's shocking.

Like, there's so much I recognize in my life about that show that I'm just like, oh, my God. Thank God. I survived that. but great cinematography. There are some things that like only with my therapist will I share and things I saw or experienced that I just wouldn't want children to be around or a part of. But a lot of, you know, people will find themselves in like crazy circumstances and have to figure out how to navigate that.

That's very universal. The stuff everybody knows about, I think I had too much access to too much stuff. But I really take responsibility for like where and how I handled everything. Like there wasn't anyone there. So maybe there's no one there to blame also. And I screwed it all up, you know? It's like I got all this stuff put in my hands and I blew that shit up, you know? I really did.

But wasn't this stuff in your hands? Okay, so I hear you. I totally hear you. And I think your, I think your perspective is, like, has a lot of truth to it. It's admirable. You have what I think we could call the human spirit. Like, you are resilient. Thank you.

You do have a light that shines through. It's actually just, like, kind of joyous to talk to you, which is really sweet. But, like, I think it's becoming abundantly clear that that sort of, quote unquote, privilege and access is not i mean what's it a privilege too like people just destroying themselves like that like quicker access to to like personal dynamite like i don't know i i think i i don't think anybody who's gone through it would wish it on anyone all right so um let's just let's just let's just real talk as they say for a second that's a little bit of an aged thing to say now that that dates me doesn't it um but no real talk uh how important is your health to you you know on like a one to 10 and i don't

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I just realized that I was lucky to be connected to people. And we did travel the world, went to many countries, and E.T. was so much about a collective experience. Yeah, it really was. I saw so many people that seemed so emotional watching it. I knew making it. We were emotional and joyful. Were you at that age, too?

Like, you could feel this sort of this specialness of the content. Because I watched it with my stepson back when, God, he must have been probably eight or something. And my wife and I were looking over his head every now and then being like, where the hell has this movie been all our lives? This is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. You felt that emotion, like at that age? I know it's the moment that shift. did everything for me. I loved the people I was around and it was like the first time I felt

whole was the first time I felt so safe in the world and everything about that experience, I believe, is what sort of formed me into the person I am and whatever has come to bite at the heels or question or doubt just has no ability to penetrate any of that. I've always felt like Norm from Cheers. Like, I'm just the dude at the end of the bar that I do feel like I'm lucky in that way of like a norm. I'm a fixture at this bar of life. Wow. Yeah, I felt like that film.

It's funny. There's actually, I hope I don't disconnect the entire. operation, but I'm actually looking at this picture. Oh, my God. That's so sweet. We should tell the listeners what we just saw. That's a picture of you and Spielberg. He's like cradling her and she has a most tender look on her face.

It's very, very, very tender. It's very sweet. I'm embarrassed to even say it out loud. But Stephen Spielberg, after E.T. saw kind of my home life during and kept me on and really took me into his life and under his wing. and, you know, you're too young for red lipstick or, you know, cover yourself up or, you know, I didn't want him to see some of the really difficult things I was going through. And I didn't realize it at the time. But I think the idea of wanting to make a parent who does put in the time to raise their kids, those are the people that you would like to make proud.

Actually, I can tell you, so, Drew, we share, I don't want to, like, you know, make too many assumptions, but I think you and I share a certain, you know, we've had the Hollywood experience, and we know what it's like to not have as much parental influence from a young age. My two co-hosts, who I will now introduce, Navi Kaplan and Sophie Rutstein, welcome to Podcrushed. Thank you for having us. What I'm learning as I do this with them, and we've been friends for years, but as we kind of get into each other's stories growing up, they had what I'm going to call uncharacteristic or uncommonly like sound positive healthy relationships with their parents who were together, are together and I think I've learned a lot

because I too like you will be like well surely there's this that and the other and then just in my conversation with them I'll realize wait I'm doubting like the floor that is that is underneath me. Yeah I had and and still have a very close relationship with my parents. And they themselves have this beautiful friendship. And they invited us in on that friendship, all their kids. But they were still able to maintain a parental role.

And I think that balance is key. And I'm wondering for you, Drew, since you were a working child actor, and I'm making a lot of assumptions here, but I'm thinking that that would kind of push you into a parental role and give you a lot of power, potentially, too much power. You're 100% right. I always knew that I was filling the parent role by working. And that felt like a lot of pressure too. Of course. Yeah. Really, it's just a recipe for not respecting authority whatsoever. Which, fair enough. If you're already being treated like an adult

in some of these really major ways, and then you're told like, you're grounded. I can imagine being furious at that. It really makes you subconsciously feel. like I don't need to listen, it brought out a real inner rebellion in me. Did that happen to you, Penn? It happened for me at a little bit of a later stage. By 15, I was starring on my, I had my first starring role on a show where I was number one on the call sheet working, you know, 12 and 13 hour days and bringing home like truly a living. Before that, my mom did still work. And by the time I was like, yeah, 14, 15, you know, you go through long periods of not working, as you say. but you get these large chunks of money every now and then.

And you go through periods of feeling like, well, I just got paid. Like, at least for the next week, anything goes, and I'm going to buy this guitar or something like that. But then, you know, months later, you're like eating Taco Bell every meal because it's just what you've got to do. And so I think over time this pattern develops where you realize when mom says something to you

that tries to place a barrier in front of you and when you are making money, it's actually hard for me in this moment to think, like, what else parents really have? I'm not saying that there isn't a whole lot else to parentshood. I'm not saying that at all. But I'm just saying, like, if you remove that foundation

too early, it's just like, hmm. And I do recall one moment where I said to my mom, what the F are you going to do about it? Wow. What did she say? Nothing. Oh, what can you say?

Yeah. I say this having gone through and rehabilitated a lot of my relationship with her. And she actually, you know, I don't know if it's appropriate to all share here, she's done a lot that is, I think, uncharacteristically sort of moral in the world of stage moms. Because for me, there was some real despair in the teens working in Hollywood. And I think there were some essential pillars, you know, to use your word, drew, that she's sort of helped instill in me that a lot of stage parents don't.

So when I say that there was this one moment, it was really just this one moment that I can recall where I said very clearly, I am doing something else, you know? And at that point, I was probably 15, I think. Yeah. I think it's such a lesson to us all to not give up that power

as a parent that's so much a part of the way our society is designed. And there are many young people out there who are forced to grow up way too fast. And I really do mean outside of Hollywood. Yeah, yeah, no, it's everywhere. There's circumstances. That's why I say so much about the feelings being so relative. There are just a lot of kids who are not able to have that structured trajectory of a societal childhood.

Yeah. You will live at home by 18. You will not be working before you are 18. You will go to school. These are the threads that have unraveled for so many people from their life sweater. And that's where I relate and think feelings are quite relative. I know that it was when I was seven and on that world tour that I thought, oh, I could spend, maybe life is about connecting with people.

even when it seemed like I was going to go so far away from that at a certain point and be that like burnout cliche like over excess screwed up actor who you know went by way of so many others it's a cliche sadly for a reason oh yeah I just don't have darkness in me I have light and love and a genuine absolute care for other people I think my big battle is Keeping myself in the mix, I tend to leave myself last to a dangerous degree. I don't take as good of care of myself as I should. Whenever I see wellness people, I'm like, oh, God, what am I missing? Why don't I care enough to, like, elongate this carcass to the greatest potential?

Why do I treat myself like a garbage can? I don't know. But I'm just trying to, like, bite down and get through it. I'm going to go back to the positive. every single time like a magnet. Like I cannot be pulled away from my love of the human beings and animals. But human beings on this planet, I have made such a conscious choice not to be someone who is a part of like dark shit. I don't want it.

I don't want to. I've made the same choice. I was like just like fun. But no, you is not dark. You is amazing. There's a deliciousness, and everybody's on the feeder. The purge is dark. Yeah, fair.

You is not that. You was awesome. Penn, I also think you bring a lightness to it. Absolutely. I think you very consciously bring a lightness to it. We make murder fun. A hundred percent. Listen, everybody has a, everybody has a little bit of revenge and a dark side.

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And I'm realizing that I do live in the extremes. And I might have been born into extreme circumstances. And extremes have been far too often on the menu. They were all that was on the menu. I mean, when you're working as a kid in Hollywood, I'm just saying that not just for you. Like I did it too. It's basically all that's on the menu.

Yeah. I am an extremist. And that might be like a beautiful and difficult aftermath and consequence of the life I've lived. Like everything I do is in extremes. If I season something, I'll overseason it. If I work out, I'll go all in until I injure myself. If I binge eat like and just sit late at night, I'll order like 15 things off of a takeout menu and just sit there and snack on all of it. Like if I love me. my kids, I will nuzzle in their ear and bite their cheek and, like, tackle them and, like, just sniff them until... I do the same thing. Oh, that new car smell is undeniable. Puppy breath is a thing. It's so good. That first time when they've got, like, bad morning breath and you're like, oh, my God.

I've heard about that. I am so determined to have my kids have a different experience. experience than I had only in the terms of like, oh, God, how could I foster a life that won't want to make them go and get into nefarious things? That's pretty much like goal number one. Like, their babies, you want to keep them alive. They're toddlers. I think you're trying. The parent is trying to stay alive. Nobody talks about how crazy toddler years are, but they're nuts. Woo! I'm here right now. And in a pandemic, too, which is... Oh, my God. It's a lot and it's the greatest, but it's one of the trickiest times, I think, of the parenting

journey I've experienced so far. And then you're like, oh, my God, it quickly becomes about behavior and processing and emotional reaction and all of this much heavier stuff. And it's a never-ending roller coaster of awesomeness, but when you're going from like let me just keep you alive to let me just like hold on tight into, oh my God, now we've really gotten to get into the work of how to be a human on this planet and handle and cope and imprint and react and all of that stuff. It's so wild.

I never, I'm just, I'm glad this is where my focus is now. And I hope that I'm going to have two teenage girls on my hands. oh my god and i'm just really hoping that all of my life experiences will like set me up for success in some way because i i know i'm going to screw it up but god i really want to get it as right as possible by the way real quick how old are they frankie will be eight in april so right around the corner next month um and olive will be 10 in september okay i i am loving this stage It's really, really, really great. I'm having so much fun with it.

Oh, yeah. 10 is the best. I used to teach fifth grade, and so they were 10 coming in and 11 going out. And I'm obsessed with that age. It's so sweet and funny. And, like, they're just starting to get the hang of sarcasm. Yes, you would love Olive. She has wicked sarcasm and sense of humor.

Do you feel like, given your experiences, I mean, it must give you a little bit like anything they think they want to do is rebelling. You'd be like, listen, been there, been there, done that. And even well documented, you can watch me then. I don't even have to tell you how. You can watch me then. I mean, it's, it's an interesting toolkit you might have. Thank you. You're the first person that's ever said it like that. And I've always thought of it that way. Now, maybe I'm totally fooling myself. And every parent who has teenage kids and who has lived through that can roll their eyes or laugh at me. Sure, yeah. There's nothing, there's no catch-all. There's no manual and there's no preparation for what I have in store for me.

But I do. You're the first person that has articulated that. I feel like I've got a great toolbox going into this. Totally. I remember when somebody asked me, it was like a journalist. And you know Penn, you know, when you get in those rooms, journalists kind of mess with you sometimes and they think they can kind of ask you anything. And it feels sometimes like a gotcha experience, those press events.

I'm not talking on a talk show or, you know, things like that. Or a podcast. That's not at all what we do here. Well, you can try to got you all you want. We're playing. I feel safe. But when you don't know someone and they're going in with kind of like this weird energy and you're like, oh, God, it's one of these situations.

And this guy was like, so what are you going to tell your kids about like how screwed up you were? And first I wanted to like, you know. Level him. Yeah, that's really. And I was like, I'm going to, like, get you! And I'm so rebellious that I was just like, oh, God, damn it! I'm going to keep it together. The scar comes in here with it.

And then I was like, well, first of all, you know what I'm saying to, and it is the middle finger in words, A. B, I'm going to be very honest with them. Like as far as I'm not going to be giving them tutorials on my life, but if and when they come across something that I'm saying what not to do, I'm going to be like, and that actually is my reasoning because I have tried it. And I understand my lessons are not your lessons and you have to live your life. But it's funny, I have tried those things and it made me come full circle. And I just don't, that isn't what I'm into now and why I'm probably so much.

more about like health, safety, pillars of appropriateness for you to be good girls as, you know, I did get to try a lot of different colors and I found the ones that I love the most. So, you know, I do hope to not in an oversharing way, not in a patronizing. I hate being patronized. Oh, if you want me to do something, patronize me and I'll go right and do it. But I do hope to just bring a raw, honest vulnerability and a sense of humor and a lack of judgment and a lack of patronizing my kids and just keep it as real as possible and empathetic and understanding. I didn't listen much when I was growing up, but I didn't really have that traditional set of parents. And I do have hope and wonder that I could be that for my kids. and then they really will have a different attitude and experience in life.

Because I do think when kids have people caring and shaping and being there for all of the good and the tough and everything in between, that has to have an effect. I don't know for experience, but I'm hoping to God it does. It does. Okay, wait, Drew, we know you have to go, but we have one final question. It can take just 30 seconds. if you could go back and say something to Drew at 12, what would you say? I would have said, I know you're not going to listen to this, so I'm not going to bother. Wow.

That's all good. Thank you, Drew. This has been a delight. Thank you, Drew. Thank you, guys so much for having me. Okay, thank you. That means so much. It really does.

As the mother of two daughters, I hope that my girls can be sitting on a couch talking about family and parenting. and how to be in this world like you guys. You're such every mother's dream of an example of how their daughters will turn out. So thanks for all the things you said. I will hold them in my heart. Like what? We recorded it just in case you forget.

Thank God. She's just, I actually felt like a, like there was a balloon in my chest at points. I'm not kidding. It was right around the ET thing and ET kind of did have a balloon in his chest. Really, really some special quality to that person right there, don't you think?

I felt so starstruck at the beginning and it's the first guess that I've really felt that way. She is kind of a figure in a lot of people's lives, like millions upon millions of people's lives, you know? I mean, when you say you had a balloon in your chest, that's how I feel too. She's just like lightness and joy. I loved her.

Okay, my favorite part was probably when we were talking about E.T., and she became emotional talking about Steven Spielberg. She said at one point, like, don't mean a name drop, but they're clearly, like, so, so, so close. She's her godfather. Really? Yeah. And there's just something about how she's been through the ringer, in a sense, in the industry. But at the same time, the way she makes me feel specifically about being in the business, quote-unquote, that is very encouraging.

My favorite part, I had two. One was when she showed us the picture with Steven Spielberg, it was just so tend to. and the expression on her face and how she had come into that conversation was really meaningful and when she said hi to my dad because it was also so gracious and so generous to like ask for his name

and to do it and I know it's going to mean so much to him so I really love that. I was going to say mine is way more selfish because you know what I was first going to say is her life-changing moment on ET I thought that was so sweet. So you're taking mine? Well, you took mine.

Okay. But you know my more superficial more selfish moment was at the beginning you all might have missed it, but I definitely didn't. She said, I love you to me. She did, she did. She was talking about my show, though. Shut up, shut up, chat up, chat, out, chat, up.

Don't take this away from me. No, she did. She said, I love you to Sophie. She said, I love you because I use the word malifluous, which is probably the only large word I know, so thank God, I used it. The teacher used her one big word. You can hang out with Drew every day on the Drew Baramore show, streaming on CBS,

and you can keep up with her on Instagram at Drew Baramore. Before we go, we wanted to tell you we're hosting a middle school dance-themed launch party for Podcush in New York City. Yes, you heard that right. Our launch party is a back-to-middle-school dance happening on Thursday, June 2nd, in Brooklyn, New York. We'll all be there dressed to the nines and dancing to the best songs of the 90s and 2000s. Tickets are available now at podcrush.com. Go quick before they sell out. That's podcrush.com.

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