Podcrushed - Ego Nwodim

Episode Date: September 25, 2024

Ego Nwodim (Saturday Night Live, Mr. Throwback) finally visits the pod after 3 years of coordination. She shares her theories on why crushes are better than relationships, how her name made her impervious to rejection, and how she keeps it together when everyone around her is breaking. Ego may or may not regret opening up so much and blames it on Penn for taking the interview from his bed. You don’t want to miss this one!   Follow Podcrushed on socials: TikTok Instagram XSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Lemonada. I just feel like if you grew up with the name Ego in the era of Ago Waffles, and then it's, I really just think you develop a sort of resilience and fortitude. Welcome to Pod Crushed. We're hosts. I'm Penn. I'm Sophie and I'm Nava. And I think we would have been your middle school besties. Being in love with somebody madly for 72 hours and then killing them. Oh, my god. Only you did that. You'll get it when you hear the episode. You'll get it when you hear the episode. Don't worry.

Welcome to Pod Crush. You're catching us mid-laugh because we can't stop laughing here. We just can't stop. We just can't stop. Behind the scenes on camera, where does it end? It doesn't. Oh, Sophie, how are you today? I'm doing pretty well. You know, our guest today is Ego Wodem. She has a new podcast, which I love. I'm obsessed with the premise. It's called Thanks Dad. and she interviews people who are old enough to be her dad, arguably, and or who are fathers. And in honor of that, so with that in mind, I wanted to ask you guys,

what is a favorite memory that you have with your dad from your childhood? You know, my first memory period that I can recall, and it's very, very, very, very young, is of my father's face, giant because I'm little. I'm under a red blanket that my aunt actually made me. I didn't know this, of course, at the time, but I know this is, I can fact check that. Yeah.

My aunt, maybe this rainbow blanket that has a red inside. So I'm underneath it. It's just all red. And it's like I'm at a music festival and his face is huge. And that is, it's always been an interesting first, like, definitive memory. Like, it's very, very early. And it's just his face is very happy and it's very warm. Yeah.

I love that. I have two sort of compete. Just like the first things that came to mind, I have two. One is we had a swimming pool in our apartment complex. and every like once in a while my dad would come swimming with I guess a whole family we'd go down to the pool and my dad would play shark in the pool where he would be like da-na-na-na-na-na-na and then hit us

hit us with his head like hit our bellies with his head she'll just nod to her microphone so cute and charming she's like trying to tell this story and she hits the microphone with her hand oh that was like a noob move right now yeah and he was just hit he would just like plummet burrow I don't know what the word is, his head, his head into our

tummies when he was like the shark attacking us, but I just remember that and be like, screaming when he was approaching, and then screaming when he'd put his head in our belly, that's the first thing. And then the other is that my mom was an amazing cook, and she cooked almost every meal for us, but once in a while, my dad would cook for us, and his mom

is from, my grandma's from Mississippi, and she had like a southern fried chicken recipe, and so every once in a while, like every few years, not even once a year, my dad would make us his mom's southern fried chicken, mashed potatoes and corn, and we would pack it and go on a picnic to the rainforest. And that always felt like such a treat when my dad cooked for us instead of my mom.

It was very special. My dad would tell these like epic tales at bedtime. Callan is my brother, Syria is my sister, and then I'm Sophie. So it's like KSS. And he had these three characters that we would follow like night after night. And they were like Kina, Suti and Suki or something. So they were like modeled after us, but like it was like kind of a secret. It's really cute.

And yeah, it was like the best time we would wait for those stories. That's so sweet. Yeah. Love my dad. Shout out. Thanks to all the dads out there. Thanks, dad. I was speaking out.

Yeah. My God, it's such a good segue. Although, you know, you know the hallmark of a terrible segue is when you say segue. Yeah. So that's where I'm falling short. We have today. somebody we've been pursuing since the early days. Is it season one? Is that accurate?

Season one, since season one? Yeah. And I remember, I feel like we were getting emails. Was it that she was saying yes, but couldn't do it? Yes, I think in season one, no reply, if I'm being candid. In season two, she started saying yes, and we'd get dates, and then one of us would have to cancel it. It was always a close call, and then it would just make him through. Ego Wodom, comedian and actor.

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on August 19th. Follow us now so you don't miss an episode. Ego, thank you for coming on and thank you for being a part of this. Happy to. We start in middle school because these two here, Nav and Sophie,

they're former middle school teachers and administrators. I didn't finish middle school because I was already living in Hollywood. and working. So, yeah, we just start in middle school because it's transformative period of life around about 12. So give us a snapshot. 12, raised by a single mom, 12, who worked a lot.

I think she was doing her residency in West Virginia, actually. I think wheeling West Virginia. So mom lived between West Virginia and our home in Baltimore. I was well-behaved, but really had a mouth on me. I'll say that. Just really defiant. I was really defiant. But guess what?

That hasn't changed. And I was just really becoming who I am today. But I was like a good kid. Sixth grade, I feel like I got in trouble for talking a lot in class, as did it seems everyone who turned out to be an actor or freaking news anchor. Yeah.

Though I think one's more respectable than the other. Which one? I'm kidding, I'm kidding. But I was like, I went to church on my own volition. I was raised Christian, but my mom was working a lot. So like on a Sunday, she might be in West Virginia. And so then I'd be like, I'm going to go to church today. You went to church. That's amazing.

Yes, I remember my aunt called one Sunday called me and was like, did you go to church today? And I was like, no, because my mom was at work. And then she was like, well, your relationship with God is between you and God and not you, and your mom and I thought interesting and she was right and it stuck with me that really stuck with me so I so how is your relationship with God right now go go okay honey it's good it's really good you know what it's really good because God is amazing and because I'm just a human doing my damn best and that's and that's why I'm allowed I just heard a sermon that was like I listen to sermons on podcasts. I actually like stopped going to church a while ago. And I started like a month ago

going back to church. But I stopped. But truly this pastor was like I, he was like recounting a sermon. The notion that I appreciated that he was expressing was like, well, God's consistent and constant. And at any given time, you're just trying your best. So I say my relationship with God is great, but not because I'm anything besides trying my best. And it's always going to be great because God's consistent. I'm the one that's changing. Yeah. As Kendrick says,

tell him that we ain't shit, but he's being perfect. That's what he says about God. I'm really on a Kendrick kick. I listen to him at least once a day for my health. Because the disc tracks are so good. I was just listening to the takeover. I'm a big Jay-Z fan. It's kind of boring fact about me. I feel like it's like, No, I shouldn't say this on record.

Okay, never mind. You can say it and we can cut it. We're keeping that. We're keeping all that implies. Okay, you know what? Here, here, it's like saying you're a Beyonce fan, and I think Beyonce is that girl. Let me be very clear.

Keep that in, okay? Yeah. She has, there's no competition there, full stop. Saying your Beyonce fans somehow, though, seems like basic in that. don't know I don't want to see a clip that this episode as Tidal Ego says Beyonce fans are basic I'm very clear and that's not what I'm saying

unfortunately you gave us the idea Go on Of course you're a Beyonce fan She's incredible So there's like duh But then on the other hand Well what kind of basic or kind of Beyonce fan I was thinking what kind of Beyonce fan

Like a super fan No I'm like a like it's like a tip my hat like I respect you but I've been saying this because I'm not necessarily an R&B girly I enjoy it from time to time I listen to

I gotta think of the right adjective because again the sound bites I listen to music people don't think that I listen to I think people think of me in one way and then if you like spent two days with me you go oh she's not what I thought

So I'm not really That's not really my genre though I enjoy it And I think she's incredible I've said that since college I was like she's it And there's no competition and now look at her But so I I'm a big JZ fan

And I feel like that somehow feels basic to say because it's like Well duh he's incredible But then I want to like Be able to defend my fandom and say But if you listen to the deep cuts And let double entendres So you really mean it

Yeah, you just mean it. I really mean it, which is a, which is a big set song I listen to a lot. That's one of the songs that people would think that I at all. But anyway, as recently as yesterday on a road trip from upstate. Ego, who were you listening to at 12? I'm going to bring it back. Not Spice Girls, because I wasn't that age when they were like pop in. But like somewhere in that pop girlie, I feel like I used to love pills by Pink.

That was my shit. I'm lying here on the floor where you left me. I think I took too much. Why are a 12-year-old listening to those women think about... I was listening to Red Light Special the other day and thinking about how I used to listen to that when I was 12. Like, why was I listening to Red Light Special when I was 12 years old? It's not appropriate.

I mean, guys, Eminem. Eminem at 12. I was listening to 15. Oh, my God. Oh, wait. That is bonkers. Napster. Downloading music illegally.

Yeah, yeah. I was a full thief. Downloading music illegally. You were a pirate. I was a freaking pirate-ass little bitch. I was listening to Superman by Eminem on reading. Oh, yeah. I played Superman every day as though it was my water, my bread.

Saturday through Sunday, Monday, Monday through Sunday. Oh, maybe you'll love me one day. Listen, we could go. Maybe you're one day growing. He knows. He knows. He's no kindred spirits here. I go, I heard you say that you had perfect attendance, maybe in high school, maybe not all throughout school, but that you, like, fought for it. Like, you went to school sick just to get that perfect attendance.

But then you described yourself also as defiant. And I wonder how those two coexist. I don't think I make sense to me, but I am defiant. Like, I don't like people telling me what to do. And someone recently was like, hey, go, that's terrible. I think it was I owe debris. I was saying, yeah, I is such and such and I go, because I don't like people telling me what to do. She was like, what?

But I don't. I don't like people telling me what to do. And so I think that's where the defiance comes in. Now, the perfect attendance is just like probably a mental illness of some sort that's undiagnosed. Because there was no reason, means nothing to anyone. I'm a grown woman now. No one cares. But I was committed to it because I just decided.

I kind of like make up my mind about certain. things and then I'm like that's this is it like now I think I shouldn't mess up there's certain fast food places I think are disgusting now right I used to love and now I go I think that place is gross and now that my mind is made up that it's gross I can't really I can't deviate from that and so I was like mine was made up I was going to get perfect attendance and so we did it and guys this is pre-COVID obviously and I was never like cold sick I just always had a stomach egg I have a stomach egg right now. This is part of my personality.

Part of my personality. Yeah. So I'd go to school, like, fully have, like, a stomach virus and be like, I'm just going to get up every five minutes in class. And you know what happens when you have a stomach virus. Yeah. Yeah. We don't have to say.

My friend has a T-shirt. She got a T-shirt made that just says, my tummy hurts. And I need to send you one. Please do. That's my, I like, got a new treat. a couple of years ago, and she, because I was like, okay, this whole my stomach hurts thing is getting out of hand. And we figured out I have like a gluten sensitivity, which is crazy. But my office made at work was like, now that you know what's wrong with you and how to avoid it, what's your

personality going to be? I don't know. I don't know. But we're back, baby. I had a ton of gluten this weekend and I'm paying for it. I had to take a bite of a donut because I'm so hungry. Are we gonna, can we snack on this podcast? Apparently. I think we should start.

I think we should start. I don't think we ever have before you just took that bite. I just had either a stomach virus or food poisoning last week. Like literally last week. While I was in L.A. For this lovely podcast.

Stomach. Wait, wait, food poisoning or stomach virus? because when he was here, he was saying, I swear it's food poisoning. Don't worry. I never said swear. I said there's no way to tell ultimately, but it really feels like food poisoning.

And all I'm saying now is like the symptoms are indistinguishable. I had it last week. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm still. And if you catch it from that. We didn't, but we avoided him for 48 hours. Yes. Okay, okay.

But you're recovering. So it worked in my favor. Okay. Yeah. But, okay, back to you. 12. 12 12 I'm 6th we're still in 6th grade so so so I this is something that I just want you to like add to the strain of of how you're viewing it because we like to go deep we don't ever try to probe and get too sensitive if it feels like it so you know yeah you have two episodes available of your podcast thanks dad which I've listened to and as I was saying before you are not only are you a generous listener and I think a great podcast host um thank you and you start out I mean so far every episode you make the serious joke

that you never knew your father because he's dead. You think that's funny. That was not a joke. It's a serious joke. Hearing people laugh about it is pure joy to me. Actually, it is funny.

Nav's mom is also dead, and we laugh about that a lot here. You've got a good mom. I was waiting for you to bring up. Listen, my parents are at the threshold. We're all going to die soon. Everybody's going to die at some point. I'm reading a book.

Payment, my children. I bought it. I have too many books right now. And I was like, you're not allowed to buy any more books. But then I saw, I was at McNally the other day, like a month ago,

and I saw a Payment Children book, how we live is how we die. And I thought, I have to buy it. I'm not really allowed to buy any more books. She's talking a lot about, like, people being scared of death. And I'm like,

I don't think I'm scared of death. Same. Like, I don't think so. I kind of like, it's going to happen. How is it going to happen? Well, that's spooky to think about the time again, not that spooky because here's the thing when you die it's over it's a wrap like so i think all these like intense feelings cease and so it's fine yes i laugh about the dead dad thing

because i used to have a theory guys had a theory that if he died i wouldn't care so i think part of why i i even saying it on the podcast no one knows this no one knows this about me i keep talking about like do i seem like a girl who doesn't have a dad i mean in theory i have a dad had a dad, have a dad, whatever. But like, do I come off as a girl who's like, I feel like in the movies and in TV shows, they're like, you're seeking validation and like you want a man to, and I'm like, I don't want a man to do a motherfucking thing for me.

So I don't think. Because he wasn't there. No, no, well, maybe, maybe. I don't know. I feel very neutrally about, I'm like, a man could do a thing for me and I'll be appreciative, but am I like vying for validation? and no and so anyway he did pass last year I want to say last summer yeah that's very recent I was at a spa when well my mom told me and then my uncle on his side called me who I'm relatively close to and he's like you might not feel anything and I thought thank you for saying that because yeah I don't and you're not you're affirming me right now in that you recognize given that they might they didn't really have a relationship this might not

mean anything to you. And it kind of didn't. And I kind of, to all the people who are like, no, you're going to be so sad that you don't have the possibility of a relationship. And I'm like, our lack of relationship is not a matter of like rejection from him. It's me going in the interactions I've had with you. It seems you'd be introducing a level of chaos into my life that I probably am not here for. The chaos I'm into is like going on tangents when I'm doing a podcast. Eating gluten when you know you have a gluten, a sensitivity. Going on a date and not so much this anymore, but going on a date for the story. But I'm out on that right now. So that's my chaos. But my chaos is not like toxic personalities or difficult personalities being in

my orbit. I'm not into that. I'm not really into that. So 12 years old, 13, 14. Okay, because we get us back on track, pod crush. I felt like I had a very normal. I didn't get in trouble. Again, my trouble was like talking too much in class. I'm going to ask an authority figure question. I would feel like I was a little bit of like, okay, yeah, I'll do that, but why? Because that doesn't make sense.

And so that had to be annoying to raise. I wouldn't want, I'm going to have to deal with that one day. I'm sure my kids will be like that. Your mom, you talked about your mom being between West Virginia and Baltimore. and spending time maybe like throughout the week or on the weekend with just your siblings at home. And I wonder what that was like for you. Like if I think back to middle school and I imagine my parents out of the house, I feel like for a time that could be really fun and exciting.

Like I remember one time my parents were traveling and my brother who was probably 20 at the time took care of me. And there was like chaos at home. Like we had frozen a Dr. Pepper and taking it out and it exploded in the room. and like there's memories like that but I wonder was that your experience or were there times when um you wish she was home yeah I think I there were times and I was like this is so not fair that she has to go work all the way in West Virginia and like be gone for a week at a time because we're very close and so that was hard but there was always people around like my aunt I remember the time I had the little baby meltdown about that my aunt was there my aunt from

London she was there like and so I was surrounded by a lot a lot a lot a lot of love um but yeah my mom's like such a cool easy lady um and so I do think more than that it was more like oh I want her to not have to be in residency somewhere else how did this not pan out and then I think by the time I was like I think sixth grade was the last year she was away like in splitting time like that if I'm not mistaken. And so more than the absence of a dad being felt and being, like, sad about that, I was like, I want my mom to, like, just be here, just be here full time. And so that was the last year of that.

But as far as my siblings go, I feel like they all felt really responsible for me because I'm the youngest. My sister was away at college, literally down the street at Johns Hopkins, but, like, never just live in a life. And then I was with my brothers. and yeah, I feel like they both felt like we have to make sure she's okay, but I was easy. You're fine, yeah. I wasn't even, like, boring.

I was fun, but I was boring. I wasn't, again, I wasn't living in a movie, so I wasn't, like, getting in trouble or, like, I want to, like, hook up with guys when I'm 13. I'm like, I'm just, I was kind of a tomboy, too. And so I remember the first time someone said I was attractive. because I just never thought of myself that way, but that is not to say I thought I wasn't attractive. I wasn't thinking about it at all.

And I heard a guy, are you allowed to say, I'm going to say last names. I rarely remember people's first last name. This guy, Josh Curtin, we were on a field trip. Maybe to Hershey Park, I don't know, on a bus. And we were 13 or 14 at this time, I think maybe 14. And we're on a field trip, on a bus, and I hear him say my name.

And I remember we were on the bus side was. We were like seats apart. And I was like, what? Why did you say my name? He was like, we were naming all the girls and whatever grade that we think are hot. And I was like, what? Oh, that's interesting. And even still, when I went to college, though, I remember hanging out, I went to USC.

And I remember hanging out with some football players and be like, well, you guys see me as one of the boys. And they're like, no, we don't. And I said this to Michael Chee last week. I was like, no, no, no, no. You guys are, the S&L, somebody at works at S&L was in Paris with us for the Olympics. And I was like, well, they like hang out with me because I'm like, one of the boys. And Lauren is her name. Lauren asked Michael.

He came down the hall. She's like, do you see it with one of the boys? And he's like, no. Hell no. Little sister. That's even funnier that you, like, that you think of yourself as one of the boys. And they're like, no. They're all like, what are you talking about?

And I go, and then even when Michael's like, hell no, I was like, I was thinking about it days later when I was driving upstate. I was like, well, I get it. He thinks he doesn't see me that way. Do you want to be seen as one of the boys? No, I just, like, I don't know. I don't actually care how I'm seen in that regard. But I'm a little like, I don't know what that's about because I promise you, I was still like, well, he just doesn't understand how he sees me. he's seeing me as little sister because when we text I'm always on the side of the woman and so that put me in the little sister but I'm like the reality is you see me as one of your boys you see me as one of your boys who's giving you sound advice about women um that's so interesting ego this makes me wonder how you in general feel about because I feel like that perspective of like oh they thought I was hot but like it doesn't seem like it motivated you.

or I feel like that's uncommon or I can't relate to that. I would have been thrilled. I still remember the first guy who I heard thought I was attracted and it was when I was 16 and I still remember so it was very meaningful to me. But how did you deal with rejection?

Like I've heard you say that rejection is the comfort zone for actors. How did you deal with as a kid? Do you have any memories of being rejected? Have you always been kind of like dirt off my shoulder? I think largely dirt off my shoulder. I don't know what it is or where it came from. like if I was trying to pinpoint when that started.

I just feel like if you grew up with the name Ego in the era of Ego Waffles, and then it's, I really just think you develop a sort of resilience and fortitude. But then also my full name is Ego Bunma. So when they're calling attendance in school and the teacher goes, I'm going to need help with this one and then still tries.

I'm going to just wait for the help. Just wait for the help. Please just meet for. trying to get ahead of it and I'm like, okay, they're on the N last page and I'm just like, okay, I'm good, that's N. Oh, and I'm like, okay, I think I'm going to be next. I think that created a level of resilience from like, I guess I've always just been a little strange. I'm stranger than people also suppose of me. But anyway, yeah, I don't, I don't care about getting rejected too much. Do you remember any crushes that you did have in middle school? That's a question we ask all of. of our guests. Like, tell us a story around that experience. Oh, my gosh. I used to have a crush on this guy named Andreas. He was beautiful Greek, man. It's funny because I sometimes will see these people on social media now, and I'll have a memory. There's like not too many people I remember from middle school or in high school, honestly. But every once in a while I remember

someone and I go, wonder what they're up to. And I look and I go, wow, imagine. Imagine us sending up together, that'd be crazy. That's crazy. I had a crush on you. You would be so lucky. That may be terrible to say, but I'm like, wow. God really protects his soldier to be soldier, because I had some interesting taste growing up. Yeah, but everyone thought he was cute.

Everyone thought he was cute. Having a crush is the tits. I think crushes are better than relationships. I think crushes. If you could just have a kid with a crush, don't get to know them too well and just remain crushes. And we do this like, will they, won't they? That's ideal.

Crush energy is it. Because I'm like, I think if he had been like, okay, be my girlfriend. I'd be like, oh. Immediately, ick. No, ick. I had a boyfriend, Jonathan, and sixth friend. forgot about him for like three days and I was like oh my god now that you're my boyfriend I have the

ick and I'm running from you in the hallway this is not how to be in a relationship um and so we we broke up but then I never had a boyfriend I did not have a boyfriend again until I was a grown ass woman like two years ago and I and that was that was bad did he give you the ick once you got together that guy yeah pretty much yeah pretty much right away pretty much straight away And then the ick only grew and grew and grew and grew until I was like, I'm actually full-blown throwing up every time I'm grown to you. But not because of my tummy problems. Separate issues. You're just giving me more tummy problems, part of the stress, et cetera.

Anyway, yeah, I think, truly, hot take from me, having a crush is it. We should be able to have families with our crushes. Like, I had a crush on one of my TAs at USC. I was a bio major, my organic chemistry TA. So you can only imagine. I remember his full name. I won't say it. Anyway, this motherfucker looked right Harry Potter, but that was my baby.

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I remember that person I dated where it's like, my stomach hurt? Yeah. Yeah, that, that for sure. Just because I'm a really, I am a very sensitive person. Yeah, Pisces. Yeah, I'm a Pisces. And so incredibly sensitive. But not just in the sense that like, oh, my.

feeling seeing it hurt easily, just I'm sensitive to energy. You know how I was like, Penn, I can see in his rectangle that he's a little more closed off, picking up on that. I'm picking up on that from the computer screen. But I asked my agent the other day, well, no, my agent sent me up on a date. And I don't know about that. I don't know about that. I think auditions and meetings are bad enough.

You don't need them working on dates for you. I would say hot take, but I'm like, not that hot of a take at all. I'm like, that's a valid take. And so she and I are pretty close. But then I go, oh, by the way, I go, hey, I had a crush 72 hours ago, but I killed it. I was like, I'm just going to fill you in on this person. I was like, I spent Friday, I spent Thursday to Sunday having a crush, but I said last night I splashed it. And she's like, and I tell her.

And she goes, oh, I know this. I'm like one degree of separation from this person. Like I can hit someone up and ask. I go, no, no, no, I did the math. and it just wouldn't even that wouldn't be a thing and she um against my wishes outed me and then has just put me in this very vulnerable position where she's like they're like oh maybe you guys can get together but maybe this and that and i go did they this the other person tell this person because now i'm uncomfortable and i literally told you not to out me and she was like

well they asked who she's no longer your agent oh they're up to fire her And then she goes, uh-oh, am I in trouble? And I'm like, you don't care. Like, truly in that tone, I was like, uh-oh, am I in trouble? I'm like, you never, but I think she thinks that like I am being guarded. And I think a lot of people think that about me in terms of like men in dating. But I don't think I've missed out on some spectacular person. I'm not as guarded as people think I am.

There's something special about that crush feeling for sure. And I'm married now, have been for, like, close to seven years. And I do remember looking over my husband and thinking, hmm, I'll never have a crush again. Like, how sad. But then, then we had a baby. And then I actually feel like in some ways a baby makes things more complicated and like, you know, it's harder to connect in some ways with your partner. But I also feel like that crush feeling has come back because you have this new, new thing in the mix.

So, you know, there's hope. Yeah, you get to see him in a new light where you're like, oh, he's a dad. Look at him, dadding. That's cute. Yeah. See, things like that. Just eternal, maybe that's a book title, Eternal Crushes, Forever, Forever Crush, something like that. Yeah, something.

Ego, we want to move on to your illustrious career, but we have one more question that we ask every guest about the middle school years, which is, do you have an embarrassing story, like an awkward memory or something that stands out? Gosh, embarrassing story from middle school. Middle school. Okay. In middle school, I was walking. Do you remember going to the mall was like a Friday night out? Was that a thing yet? Going to the mall.

For sure. So I went to the mall. Yeah. And I was wearing stonewashed jeans, which is like kiss a death for me because it also shat in my pants as an adult in stonewashed jeans. Anyway, stomach always hurt. Nice. Thank you.

Where's my publicist? Is she on here? I think I got my period and I was walking around the mall on a Friday night wearing my little stone-washed flares and a girl tapped me on the shoulder and I was like, she for sure wants to tell me she likes my outfit. She's like, you have you

your period. I was like, oh my God. Oh my God. Walking with my Anian pretzel. Oh, God. Yeah. I was like, I have to go home. I remember that and feeling like that stuck out to me.

And I was like, oh, shit. And now, like, I don't have anything to tie around my waist. This is really, really bad. I'm so impressed with that girl to, like, go up to you and tell you. Yeah, me too. Because, you know, when there's, like, something in someone's teeth or, like, a boogie hanging out someone's nose and you're talking to them and you're like, do I tell them? I applaud a person who can be like, I'm going to tell this person because I think that's an uncomfortable. spot to be the one to have to like let a person know hey there's a thing happening with you

right now um and so yeah kudos to her kudos to her white marshmallow bottom i used to spend so much time at white marshmallow that was the mall i lived down the street from that mall that was my whole personality going to white marshmallow and being like oh my goodness and had a gene addiction that has followed me into adulthood i have so many genes and i'm not proud of it it's a thing that my I was so skinny, but kind of tall, so like lanky. And I could never find jeans that, like, fit, but were long enough. And if they, like, if they fit, they weren't long enough. And if they were long enough, they didn't actually, like, fit with wise.

So now I feel like I trace this to my, to my youth where I go, now I find jeans that fit. And I go, I have to buy them. Jeans never fit when I was in a little. And so I have so many jeans. So many jeans. It's upsetting. You obviously, I mean, you're such an icon. You're amazing.

We can go on and on. But I feel like some of your characters, the most member, well, Lisa from Temecula, Rich Auntie Veranda. I want to know when everyone around you is breaking, how do you keep it together? Someone asked me that recently.

What did I say? It's a terrible question. Because she doesn't get that fuck. It's pretty clear. I just answered it. You can look in another podcast. No, I actually meant to compliment you guys on how, thoroughly you research

because I feel like you're asking really great questions and this is not blowing smoke. I would not blow smoke. I genuinely was like, what if more interview experiences were like this one? Because you guys really did your research and that's so fucking cool.

How do I not break? I think because I've done it when I had done it so many times, for instance, Lisa from Temecula, I got, I feel like so many of my giggles out at table read, I could barely get through the sketch at table read because I like I remember being like this isn't even get picked because I could barely perform it at table read and that's a first and I think because growing up I got in

trouble my cousin and I used to get in trouble for laughing at all the wrong things and so I think we have perfected the art of being like I'm laughing but I don't want you to know I'm laughing that said in Lisa from Temecula the first one I do almost laugh in that one and then I gather myself yeah you do almost laugh but everyone else is like fully breaking so sometimes I feel like laughter's contagious so it's amazing to me that you don't because by the end of that skit everyone has broken except for you i think i didn't think we were going to get to do it it didn't go well at dress rehearsal like a lot of technicalities got in the way there and so i when i got to do it i kind of was like oh we're doing it because i did another sketch that night and it was between lisa from temecula and that sketch and i was like well that one killed and this one that we all had high hopes for just was like it didn't work out because of technicalities um but god bless pedo pascal because um he fought for it but I think by the time I got to I love him I love him he's the best but by the time I got

to do it I was like oh we're doing it I wasn't expecting it so there was like I feel like I was like barreling through in a sense because I'm like I didn't think we were doing this does it feel good when you're in a scene and you're acting and the rest of the people are breaking because I feel like that would feel good it does feel satisfying I think if you start to like zoom out a little bit though and you're like oh people are laughing you're not in character anymore and I think part of what helps me not break is that I'm like just being Lisa and I'm like she doesn't think any of this shit's funny she's like I'm eating my steak yeah if you want to know if you want to hear me absolutely lose it I do this podcast comedy bang bang sometimes

with my friends I'm a guest on it and Scott Ockerman runs it and he gave my one of my characters a spinoff show entrepreneur something it's like shark tank or something anyway my friends Drew Tarver and Carl Tart guest on there with me and sit on a panel of sorts on that podcast with me and they do make me break because I can't even talk

and I bet you it's annoying for a listener it's like okay girl but they're so funny and so that's me not being professional but I'm having a time on that podcast. Okay we'll have to check that out you have described working on SNL as like comedy residency

and I'm curious what do you think is one of the most unexpected lessons that you've learned from your time there. That's great. You know, I didn't think I would learn to be a producer. I feel like I have got the skills now to produce. So when you get a sketch on at S&L, it's your responsibility to them produce it. That's not the language I would have used early in my tenure there. I've been like, yeah, we get to make all the decisions about what color chair we want and what color so-and-so's shirt is. I go, oh. In retrospect, I'm like, you're producing. You're learning to produce. And so that's something I didn't plan, a skill I didn't plan to get there. And I'm a far more like adaptable person.

I mean, I think improv helped me be far more adaptable than I was before I started improv, but even more so now with SNL. Everything is so last minute. I think a friend of mine is coming to work at SNL, not because of me. And I heard he was asking like, are we sure? I haven't heard anything from them about tomorrow. And I'm like, that's just how it works there. And to me, I'm like, I'm not stressed, but I, oh, my God, I remember seven years ago or six years ago when I started being like, where's the information? Why isn't it in place?

And I'm like, you'll get it. It's fine, which is not my MO normally, but it's like, you'll get it before you need it, even if it's right before you need it. Like if you guys had sent me a link to the podcast five minutes before we started, I'd be like, yeah, and that's fine because I got it right before it. but that's not how the rest of the world operates. Well, I mean, you know, that's to some degree, I feel like, I would imagine SNL is the most, but I feel like Hollywood, everything entertainment.

My experience, you know, I'm kind of the same way. I'm just kind of like, yeah, it'll be there about something I need it. I don't know where I'm going or when it is, but. Yeah, but truly, exactly. I think that is, I feel like that is very, and it's so counter to my personality. I love to plan and I love order. Yeah. A lot of former castmates and actors who go on the show for a week have talked about, like,

the high stress, high anxiety, lack of sleep. You've been on for seven, eight seasons. How are you? Going on to seven. Amazing. How are you handling all of that sort of, how has it affected your, I guess, mental health or your emotional journey? Okay.

So my like sophomore year of college, I have these very, I don't know why I remember these random things, but I remember being like, you know what I really value? Sleep. And I decided. I was like, I'm going to be a person who gets eight hours of sleep. That's dead and gone. I now, I don't want to say I have trouble with sleep. It's just not the same.

I'm certainly getting a lot less of it. And as a person who really values sleep, it's such a balancing act because I'm like, you can't get the sleep and get the things done you want to get done. I talk to my therapist about this because it's so strange. I'm like, I really value sleep, yet I love a slow morning. And it feels like I can't have both of those things, a full night of sleep and a slow morning. And one has to be sacrificing. and I'm like, and how do I decide which one to sacrifice?

Because there's all these studies about how sleep is beneficial to you. But then what a slow morning means for me is like getting to ease into my day. And she's like, there's studies about that too. And I go, well, how do I decide which one to sacrifice and which one to really protect? That's hard for me. And you need to tend to your mental health in order to be successful on the show. But there's so many things tugging at you and there's so little time. there are like concrete places you have to be

and you might have stopped working last night at 1 a.m. on the cold open but now you have to wake back up and come in really early tomorrow and we're never like crazy early but it's like you have to wake up and get in here in the morning and I'm like so I struggle with that I don't know what the equation is

I often think like oh it'll be cool one day in my life when I'm not thinking about I don't have to think about this thing because I don't think, and I love math and that's probably where the type A thing comes. I'm like, I really love math. I love like answers. I love two plus two is four.

And so I'm like, what's the equation where I can actually find this balance? And every once in a while when I find out that like someone else on my cast is maybe not balancing as well as it seems from the outside, not because like they're going crazy, but like, oh, they haven't answered emails for two weeks. Like, okay, I'm not alone.

And that is reassuring. and you don't want to be like, oh, you're also drowning. That feels good. But it is like, okay, it makes me take it a little, like, take things a little easier on myself or be a little easier on myself, I should say. You and Mikey Day have a running gag that you're like a diva on set. And I was just curious without naming names, allegedly, what is the most diva-like behavior you've ever seen from a guest on the show?

I feel like you're going to name some names. I'm not going to name names. I'm not going to name names. I will not do that. diva like interestingly I haven't seen you know what I've seen a host

be like I don't want to do this sketch for insane reasons like where I'm all for people having an opinion I think opinionated people go off I love that for you but every once in a while I go

well that's strange where they're trying to be really domineering about what goes and doesn't go, and I'm like, people who have the best shows here sort of surrender to the process a little bit. I don't think, don't be totally like hands off laissez-faire, but like, but, but, but you, there's got to be some trust that, like, producers do know what they're doing as, like, nonsensical as a place can be at time. And so that's what I, I've seen that where a person's being really, um, domineering and

controlling in terms of what type of episode they think they're crafting and they somehow think they're producing their own episode and it's like, oh, it doesn't really work that way. But I haven't seen anything crazy. Like, I think people are, I don't want to say on their best behavior because that's also not true. But I think people are mindful

about showing their diva ways. And so even what I've witnessed is like not necessarily firsthand. It's like grapevine. It's like, oh, well, that sketch is not happening now or this thing's not happening now because someone, i.e., the host, was like, no, because of this wild reason. So, yeah.

I wonder if that's affected also by the fact that much of your time there has been during and post-COVID, you know? Mm-hmm. Because it feels to me like there is something to say about, you know, that, which we don't often reference that much anymore because it's like too close. It was too long and it's too close for us to always be talking about it. But we, you know, that's a very real thing. That was real.

It was. I don't know. You know, COVID. COVID times were, it was strange. I'm so grateful to have been working during COVID. Like, deeply, deeply grateful. Yeah. What freaking lottery number did I get that I get to have a job

while other people were not in that position? And so many people weren't in that position. I feel really fortunate. It was also just a strange time to be doing like sketch comedy. We had first responders in the audience for those first shows back. during COVID and they were tough crowds and I'm like yeah you just were saving lives all day like you don't do this shit's funny and it's late and you're like in my free time I'm going to come sit and to it like watch a multi-cam taping and so there's a picture that was like floating around of

somebody reading a book during the monologue like a full-blown textbook I remember that I wasn't sure if that was real it was real that was real because basically that audience was that was the last time I think we had versus responders because it was like oh that was a good idea but I don't think so like we think we're providing relief and it's like they're tired and and this is not relief this is not this is not relief to us

like you've asked us to come sit for hours and in these little bleachers yeah give us a body at midnight yeah at midnight I'm fucking exhausted man I have to be studying and so yeah

fully a man in the audience reading leg crossed during the monologue like couldn't be less interested And they were not laughing. I just remember, I'd be like, they're not, they don't think this shit is funny. They don't want to be here.

Can we go back to other people who are excited? So anyway, that was such a strange time. And it does feel like forever ago. And then I'm like, it wasn't that long ago. I feel like I've lived seven lives since then. Truly, truly. Wow. Stick around.

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who are old enough to be your dad what's maybe the most interesting lesson you've gleamed I'm fantastic questions. Thank you for that. I would say it's kind of what I suspected even embarking on this journey of having this podcast so I don't know if it's so much a lesson as much as it's like an affirmation of sorts

that like dads are complicated for everyone seemingly and there's so much overlap and people's experiences even if their upbringing was different and then given the age of the men I'm speaking to, you sort of, despite everyone's dad being different, there's so much overlap in their experiences. And we talk about the context in which everyone's growing up, and you go, wow, what a different time that was.

Dad's today, I think, even hearing my guests talk about the way they approach fatherhood sounds so remarkably different than the way their own fathers approached it. But again, that was like a function of the time in which they were rearing children. So I think it's cool to talk about it because I'm like, people, there's a lot of like, man, I get a lot of feedback that's like so far, which has been really cool. People have been like, as a person who has a complicated relationship with my dad, this is like refreshing. And no one really talks about it. I didn't think it was an interesting.

kind of maintain it's not an interesting thing about me um but i was trying to pitch a show a long time ago 2017 and i was like let's do one about being first gen and this this network was like we already have one like that and i was like let's do one about how i've never had a boyfriend they're like we kind of already have one about and i was like okay um and we can only have one um so of each of those and so i was like okay dig deep what else is there what else is there uh and then i was like oh about you. And I was like, oh, I don't have a relationship with my dad. Literally never think about it. So truly had to be like, there's got to be something else unique about you because these people are saying they've got one of all the things that pertain to you. So, but it made me go,

I have so many, just hearing friends talk about their dads and reading Father's Day posts on Instagram. I saw someone, I put this in pages one day when I was pitching the show, but I was Like, someone posted, I think everyone knows I hit the jackpot when it comes to dads on Father's Day. And I go, you don't need a caption like that if everyone's having a blast with dads too. So I'm like, that caption is only relevant because perhaps people are not hitting the jackpot. But it's cool to like just feel like I've created a space for people to talk about their experiences. Some people are having really positive experience, and that's really cool to hear. and some people are having less positive experiences

and then some of them are sort of like in the middle of the road there. A lot of them seemingly are. And it's just cool to feel like, ah, people are really connected. And I love making people feel connected. That's important to me. Yeah, that's beautiful.

Taking a nice segue from that last beautiful resting place, we'll hit you with our last question, which you don't know anything about. It's a simple one. It's a simple one. You scared me. I felt my butthole. I go, my stomach stop turning.

I go, who would even ask me? No, it's simple. It's simple. Take it as deep or not as you like. Okay. Going back to 12-year-old ego, if you could say or do anything, what would it be? And I'm adult ego talking to 12-year-old ego? Oh my gosh.

I mean, let's see. Cut, cut that out, by the way. I don't know if I'm allowed to speak in Spanish, but I love Spanish. I think I'm allowed to. I think you're allowed to. Yeah, give her permission. I'm from Puerto Rico. I'm giving you permission. Oh my gosh. And I get to go, my one Puerto Rican friend said I could. I have one Puerto Rican friend. I count and she said that I'm allowed. Okay. No. I just want to go, girl, just keep doing you. You're doing right and you're doing great. Just keep on doing you. That's it. Because I was weird then and now I think I'm only weirder and I love it for me. I love it for me how weird I am. Yeah, that's that.

Yeah. Thank you. This is a great question. All great questions. I feel like I put the fear of God into you. It takes no research. That's great. No research.

That's why you got to ask it. Penn has not researched at all. Penn has done no research and now he got to. Show up at the end. No, no, he listened to your two podcasts. That's a lot of research. No, I know. I'm just giving Penn shit because he's the only man here, I guess.

Yeah, do it. He's sitting on the edge of his bed. Come on. Just laid on my shoulders, all of you, all three of you. Come on, do it. Do it. I don't, no, you know what? I want to go on the record as saying, I do not think men are trash.

I also did not grow up, being told men are trash, was not raised. This is also the, like, irony. I was like, I wasn't raised by a woman who was like, oh, I just, I have friends who were raised by people who were sort of resentful of former partners. And my mom just wasn't like that. I mean, she's a really cool, chill, she's a like really chill, little meek lady, a lady. I love that. Yeah, she's a sweetie pie. you mean meek in the good sense because you don't actually hear people use that term in a good way but actually I think it has so many positive commentations yeah I would if I meant it negatively the word I would have used is like timid

sure yeah yeah not into timidity you're talking about the ones who will inherit the earth yeah the meek okay honey the meek you know what they don't do get the whole earth that's the ego translation of the body Honey, you know what the me going to do? On our Christian podcast. You can watch Mr. Throwback on Peacock now, and you can follow Ego Wodem online at Eggie Boom. We are so excited that you can now listen to Podcrush, ad free on Amazon music.

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I wasn't sure if it was a Christian podcast. I was definitely clear. Okay.