Podcrushed - Seth and Josh Meyers

Episode Date: November 29, 2023

Seth Meyers (Late Night with Seth Myers, Saturday Night Live) and Josh Meyers (Mad TV, That '70s Show) join us this week for a hilarious conversation on their Midwestern upbringing. They recall their first 'birds and the bees' chat with their dad, why Seth is incapable of lying, how Josh handles heartbreak, and why they're each other's biggest supporters. Sophie, Penn and Nava declare them the most wholesome guests they've ever had and try to find a way to become part of the Meyers' family.Follow Podcrushed on socials:TikTokInstagramXSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Lemonado Came home and my dad said, Where were you? And I said, I was at Randy's. He said, nope. And I was like, oh, right, I was at Tim O'Brien. He was like, nope. And I was like, nope.

You kept trying. I kept trying. I went through all the houses. And I was like, all right, I was at Molly Souters. And he's like, okay, you're grounded. And Seth just stood up and went right back to bed. I was so happy. But he had witnessed it.

I knew he would try to lie his way out of it. I knew they had him dead to rights. Welcome to Pod Crushed. We're hosts. I'm Penn. I'm Nava. And I'm Sophie. And I think we could have been your middle school besties. Calling in love with your older brother.

What? We have the inimitable Josh and Seth. Just guess who they might be first. Josh and Seth. Let's go one step further. Josh and Seth Myers I have to say Josh and Seth Myers

were probably the most wholesome guests we've ever had like one of the most wholesome conversations just loved each other so much I instantly wanted

to get pregnant with twin boys yeah I tell Pen andava that they made me want to have two boys two brothers their dynamic was so sweet

yeah I had family envy so Seth Myers you probably know that name. I mean, there's late night with Seth Myers, right? And formerly of weekend update on SNL. So that's pretty... And head writer of SNL. That's right. That's right. That's right. And head writer. So, I mean, you know, doesn't really get bigger. His brother Josh is a comedic force in his own right. You might know him from Mad TV. They have a podcast together called Family Trips that we actually, all three of us as a fake family, went on.

together and we just spent like a three-hour Myers conversation marathon and it was so lovely because they're they're they're good people and they seem to be brought up by good people and it's just that's really refreshing the one question I wanted to ask them was do the other comedians ever give you a hard time about how sweet your family is yeah I can imagine there's got to be a running joke but you guys are going to love it it was very fun very sweet but There's still some, you know, there's some swear words in there, too. For those of you who need that, stick around. Does anyone else ever get that nagging feeling that their dog might be bored?

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you would have been both going through this time of not just middle school, but like coming of age, like together, more or less. Yeah. Now, how do you guys, where do you put coming to age? Do you guys have, have you figured out a... You know, we focus on middle school. So that's like what, you would have been,

6th, 7th, 8th grade, that you would have been something like, what is that? Are we talking 11 to 14-ish? Yeah. You just saying those ages brought up one of the most, a memory that still makes my skin crawl. Tell us. Please. So I fancied myself someone who was good at sports, and yet at every level I was told that was not the case. I loved watching sports, and I was one of those kids who thought, oh, if I watch enough baseball,

I'll be good at baseball. So I played a little little league. And then I think it must have been, you tried out every year and then based on the tryouts, they would just even out the skills on the teams in the town league. They basically said, we don't think you're ready for where the seventh graders play. We think you should do another year with the fifth and sixth graders.

Is that why we got to play together? You were held back. I was basically held back from baseball. and I remember getting the call and just, first of all, just cold sweat because it was the coach telling me, hey, good news, we're going to have you, we think another year. And first of all, you realize if you're, you know, 13 and they're holding you back in baseball, that's basically, they're killing your major league dreams in that moment, too.

There's never a story about, you know, you know, Albert Poole's was three twice in baseball. So, but then I remember trying to decide if I was, if I was, too embarrassed and was if I was going to quit. And I decided I wouldn't quit. And I was going to do another year of baseball because I liked playing baseball. But here's the part that I'm really embarrassed. I was in the dugout and I didn't like tell all the kids on the team like I'm here because I, you know, it wasn't good enough to go up early. And someone was like, wait, you're in whatever grade. You're in seventh grade. What are you doing here? When's your birthday? And Somebody said, when's your birthday?

And instead of telling them, I tried to lie to get the ages to work that wise. You're doing quick math in your head. Yeah, very quick math to figure out what the right date to say would be. And I, and Nora was, like, quick enough to execute this. So I basically fumbled on my, and this was in a dugout full of kids. I was like, oh, Mara, and they were like, you don't know your birthday? What's wrong with you? So now not only my bad at baseball,

I'm like the dumb kid who doesn't know his own birthday. It wasn't work. And then I remember the kid who asked later, I thought this was, like a day later, I said, hey, I want to explain what happened. I'm embarrassed that I'm playing baseball at this level. And that's why I tried to say a different birthday. And he was looking at me like, what?

Like, he had completely forgotten. Like, I've been carrying it around for 24 hours. I'm like, you know what? I'm just going to own up to it. And they could do with it what they will. And it was just a good reminder that you think everyone's looking at you. And no one is. No one is.

Seth, I feel like that's so mature, though. Totally. And, like, says a lot about you that you, like, took accountability. You wanted to get it up. I would have, I would have gone to the grave swearing that I was wearing March or whatever. I have two birthdays. I don't know what to tell you. Some people have two birthdays.

Yeah. That's like when you tried to call later on in life, Seth, had a car breakdown. and called for a tow truck but didn't have AAA, but our dad had AAA. And he told the tow truck driver who looked at the card, the tow truck driver said,

what's your name? And Seth said, Larry. And the tow truck driver said, but your license says Seth. And he's like, well, Larry is my nickname. And the driver said,

it's like, it's also my dad's name. And the tow truck driver was like, your nickname is your dad's name? I'm just deeper. Just trying to get a deal on a toe. I think the big thing here is one of the reasons I've learned to take accountability, Nava, is I'm a terrible liar. And so, mostly I have to constantly own up to it because I wouldn't get away with it if I tried to.

But we couldn't lie growing up. That was the cardinal sin in our house. Even once we got to an age where, you know, we might be drinking, let's say. the rule was just admit that you're drinking. And if you're going to someone's house, stay there. But if you lied about whether or not you were drinking, that's where you could get in some real trouble. Did you lie? Did you get in trouble?

You know. Yeah, I mean, well, there was the one time that I lied. We were going to, where was I? Maybe like Molly Souter's house or Amy Way's house. But my friends, I sort of hung out in high school a lot with a Randy, Tim, and a Tim, and we spent so many nights sleeping at Randy Suazo's house. And there was a night where everyone sort of lied and said they were staying at another guy's house because we were going over to this girl's house and she was having a party and we were going to be drinking.

And in the morning, Tim O'Brien called my house because, or, Tim O'Brien's parents called my house because they had been told that they were all sleeping over at our place. And he had to go home to help his father move a dining room table. And my father said, no, they're not here. And then there was this

chain of calls going on to figure out where the boys have been. And Seth woke up earlier than he would ever wake up on a Sunday morning because he heard all of this activity, came downstairs, sat at the kitchen table. I came

in and came home and my dad said, where were you? And I said, I was at Randy's. And he said, nope. And I was like, oh, right. I was at Tim O'Brien. He was like, nope. And I was like, nope.

You kept trying. I kept trying. I went through all the houses. And I was like, all right, I was at Molly Souters. And he's like, okay, you're grounded. And Seth just stood up and went right back to bed. I was so happy. I knew.

He had witnessed it. I knew he would try to lie his way out of it. I knew they had him dead to rights. It was like watching the thrill you get When you watch that last courtroom scene in a few good men I knew exactly I wish I had it on tape so I could watch it over and over again Yeah, I'm sure I was very bad in the moment

There was, I did take the Don't Lie to Your Parents thing seriously And I remember once I did one of those things Where went to a friend's lake house You know, late high school We all drank a lot And there was a long dock and like late at night I ran down the dock and dove off

and as I dove off I heard someone go, it's shallow and like hit my face against like the rocks on the ground and so my whole face was like cut up and it looked bad and so the next morning I had to go back home and I remember I had a very the kind of friend who thought you could get away with anything and he was like because I'm like I'm just going to tell him what happened he's like you can't tell him what happened

Here's what's going to have. And he had a Jeep, like one of those open-door jeeps. He goes, when we pull into your driveway, I'll slam on the brakes, fall out. And it'll look like you scraped your face. I'll look like you scraped your face on the, because we had a gravel driveway. And I was like, I don't want to do that. And everybody, all these guys, because we drove, like, a two-hour drive from, you know, we lived in southern New Hampshire, and the lakes were, you know, farther north.

So it was like two hours of everybody having. Here's what you should tell them. And I just remember walking in. And my dad's like, what happened? I'm like, I dove in off a dog and I hit my face. It was just easier to be honest with my dad about how dumb his son was than try to prove how dumb he was by trying to lie his way out of it. That's great.

If you can create an environment where your kids feel comfortable to tell you the truth, you're pretty well set. Yeah, I fully agree. When we were very young, and if we would sort of like leave toys all around or we'd make a mess and someone would come in and be like, who did this? We had a fictional duo that we would blame

but I think it was adorable and they were the bad boys and you're welcome to join me if you want but we would always sing the bad boys did it the bad boys did it but we will clean it up. That's actually so cute.

It's hard to sing. on Zoom together. You did that. But the bad boys did it. The bad boys did it and we will clean it up. And it's like everyone's all right. But it's nice to have someone to blame in sort of a weird child brain of like, yeah, but we did it. But it's okay, right?

Well, I was going to ask. So it sounds like Seth there was at least one time where you woke up particularly to delight in Josh's demise. But then what was your relationship like to each other in terms of fighting? Did you fight a lot as siblings? We didn't. My memory is no. We shared. So we each had our own bedroom, but each of our bedrooms had two beds.

It was a bunk bed in Josh's room and two twins and mine. And we always slept together. So we would choose each night which bed to sleep in. So we had our own room, which we could have our own stuff in. Or if you had sleepovers, you would have a full. friend sleep in your room. So we always hung out together. We would only

the only fights were when we roughhoused and someone got hurt, which 100% of the time was Josh. And that even then the fight was me not wanting him to go tell mom and dad.

Right. We played in the basement was sort of our playroom. It was a finished basement and there was a wood stove and like that's where we would always hang out and if i would get hurt i would instantly start running sort of down this snaking hallway to go up the stairs and Seth would try to tackle me and hold me back hurt you more yeah it was it was like i think that's right they always say like it's not the crime it's the cover up that was very much the case with uh with this there was

one time i i have no idea what we were fighting about but it was we were so angry at each other and we decided we're going to have an actual, like, fight. Yeah. And we had an old, a couch that would convert into a bed, but it was all foam. It sort of, like, folded into itself. Yeah, there wasn't metal or anything. Yeah, no metal.

So we put that out, and that was going to be, like, the ring that we were going to fight in. Seth had a friend over, and it was like, we're going to ring the bell. And so we came together, and we started grappling. and I got my hand around Seth's foot and it sort of slipped off the end of his foot and as it did his big toenail came off in my hand and the fight was over before it started like we were just both so aghast

at what had happened I felt terrible but that was that I should note I also think that fight was very much due to my friend Greg who is an agent of chaos I think his solution was always oh we should actually have an organized fight yeah

but I don't because I don't think Josh and I our first instinct was ever to fight also Josh was very whenever I had friends over Josh was added in and our house was the one we hosted a lot of sleepovers

it was a house people came over to after school my parents were I think of the mind as well like if your kids like you enough to have their friends over then you will never have to wonder where they are. Like, it's better to have them in your basement than, you know, and also just having to, like, go pick them up at somebody else's basement. So we were always over, and Josh was always sort of like the plus one to our group. And less the other way, like, I don't think the older brother maybe hangs out with the younger brother's friends. But Josh was always

sort of part of my group of friends as well. So when you went through this stage, let's say, you know, you're exiting childhood, entering adulthood, it's a long phase. But, like, you know, you You know, something that starts to happen is just feelings, thoughts, everything just deepens and becomes far more expansive and mature life is kind of beginning. Did you, do you recall any like noticeable shift between you two then? Or like, I mean, maybe the bond just got deeper. I mean, it sounds like you've just had this kind of steady progression. But did you notice any shift when you're going through this time? No, I also, we never, like, talked about girls.

No. It's still, you know, talking about girls. still makes me uncomfortable, like with, like, I've never liked sort of kiss and tell stories that guys might have. I've never enjoyed those conversations. I don't like talking about them. It always has felt like that's private. I've been married 10 years.

Josh has still never met my wife. He's like, that's your thing. I don't, it's gross. I'm like, where do you think these kids come from? He's like, ugh. I don't want to think about it. Yeah, but yeah, no, we never really talked about girls. Yeah, we were never like, who she's had or there.

You know, so we had, I mean, I, you know, and obviously we had girlfriends, but that was very much not in the house, which is so funny. Also, because our parents are very open and not like about sex, but about like sexuality maybe. I mean, we watched, you know, movies at a very age inappropriate time. and the humor in the house was very adult. And yet despite that, I feel like Josh and I were very prudish

when it came to talking about girls with one another. Did you talk to your parents about your feelings towards girls? No, I only remember that my dad's birds and the bees talk with me and I don't. I wonder if it was the same one I got. Go ahead. He said, if you have sex with a girl,

it will mean so much more to her than it will mean to you. He said, so don't do it unless you really care about them. Wow. Yeah, it was similar. It was, yeah. To me, it was like, you know, I was dating this girl

and he's like, is she clingy? And I was like, I don't know, I don't think of her as clingy. And he's like, there's nothing more clingy in the world than a teenage girl you've just had sex with. And I was like, oh. And he's like, so make sure you like her.

And then, yeah, I didn't have sex until college. Larry, Larry. Do you think that really contributed to it? I don't know. I think I wasn't necessarily. It did for me. He definitely scared me off it because that he put a, but not in a bad way. But he put, he said like, look, there's a real emotional burden to it.

And there is. And there is. And there is. And he's like, I don't think you're ready for it. Also, I wasn't, certainly in high school. Like, I had girlfriends, but I never had a girlfriend that I was capable of being heartbroken about. I don't. I didn't.

it took me a lot I don't know if I ever did I'm kind of alone I was always like yeah or just go home alone or I'll go flip through my baseball cards and read my comics

baseball cards comic books they're not going to read themselves you feel like getting into those relationships was more just like oh this is the thing to do because it sounds like you're super interested in them it wasn't that I didn't they were always girls that I liked

and girls that I was friends with it was just that I remember a girl I was dating, like back when you were dating where it barely meant anything, like there was barely a physical element. Right, right, right, right. Like, it was like you could date someone and maybe not kiss them. Like, that was what you were deciding.

That's my first two girlfriends. Yeah. And she gave me a cassette single. A cassingle. A cassingle. That's for the children listening. That is a cassette tape with only one song on each side. and it was the in excess song

Never Tear Us Apart and she gave it to me and I just remember thinking Oh, I feel like we're in different places What we think about this relationship And that Can you only imagine if we had sex? Yeah, my God

Never tear us apart at handholding Anything could tear us apart Another kid coming down the hallway So that, yeah I was always very acutely aware that I was not, when guys would be all torn up about a breakup that did not. It was not really where I ever felt like I was at. Stick around. We'll be right back.

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love and heartbreak. Seth, if you've never been heartbroken the first time you crushed a girl. No, by the way, I'm realizing that a bunch of college friends are listening right now being like, fucking what? No, but college is different. College's different. So I would say heartbreak was college. I don't think I was, I don't think I was capable of heartbreak in high school. How about you, Josh? Josh has been heartbroken so often. Oh.

Yeah. So, I hope we get into how dramatic Josh was. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. Let's get into it. We want to hear it. Yeah, I mean, my first, like the two girls that I never kissed that I dated, one of them, you know, it was just you, you asked a girl, will you go out with me? That was sort of, that was the line that you said, and then she would say yes or no, or you could write it in a note, and she could circle yes or no or something like that. And I want to say I was maybe in sixth grade, and I remember being on a ski lift. with a girl and was, like, working up the nerve to ask her to go out with me. And right before we got off, like, you know, put your tips up, you're getting to the top of this thing.

And I said, will you go out with me? And she said, yes. And then I skied away from her. And, like, didn't talk to her, I want to say, for two weeks. And then she was like, hey, we need to break up. And I was like, oh, I was crushed. But, you're like, is there something I did? Yeah.

And that would happen again. I had a good, you know, girlfriend in high school that I don't remember the breakup so much. But the first girl I dated in college was a very short relationship. And I think this is the one Seth's talking about. But we, you know, I was still a virgin. I had just gotten to college. I met this girl was completely smitten. And there were things at our school called,

I don't know if it was a mixer or a date party, but like where a big group of two fraternities and two sororities would go to a bar in Chicago or something like that. And I heard that the girl that I was dating had made out with this guy. And I got this piece of gossip. and I stomped over to the guy who I really liked and still like,

but I walked over to his dorm room, and I was like, hey, did this happen? Did you make out with her? And he's like, yeah, why? And I was like, because she's my girlfriend. He's like, oh, sorry, I didn't know. And it was, you know, after a night when people had been out in Chicago, so it was late.

And Seth and I shared a car in college. We had a VW golf. and he lived off campus and I went and I got the car and I drove to the last place I could remember being happy which was Ocamas, Michigan which is where we left

when I was five years old before we moved to New Hampshire so I drove through a snowstorm I don't know how far from Evanston to East Lansing it is but like three to four hours I want to say I would have thought even maybe longer it was a longer

And I was just like, a girl he'd barely dated, broke up with him, and it made him forget the past 13 years of having it. That was hitting me. The happiest guy who loves his parents, loved high school, loved his brother.

He's like, you know what? She literally said him back 13 years. Wow. And I drove and I went and I saw our old house. I saw our old elementary school. and there's a bagel place in East Lansing right near Michigan State called Bagel-Fragel. And I went to Bagel-Fragel, because we used to go there. Our mom got her master's at Michigan State.

And I went to Bagel-Fragel, and there was a payphone. There were no cell phones. And there was a pay phone between the first double doors, first set of double doors, second set of double doors. And I called Mom and Dad, and I was beside, like, she, you know, it's over, it's not going to work out. In the meantime, Seth has woken up in Evanston, Illinois, because we're both at Northwestern, and sees just an empty space where the car had been and called the police because he thought the car had been stolen. Well, first I called home and told my dad the car is gone. And this is, harkens back to why I woke up the morning and went downstairs when Josh got in trouble because everybody always assumes I'm the one who fucked up.

And so my dad was like, did you leave it on lock? Did you leave the keys in it? And it should be noted. The reason everybody thinks I'm the one who fucked up is I do shit like that all the time. So I was like, probably, I probably did those things. He's like, well, that's why I got stolen. So now you have to call the police. So I called the police.

And then Josh, I guess, because you called home. Yeah, a blubbering phone call from a pay phone to mom and dad, who then called you. Yes. And they were like, Josh. in Okamance, Michigan. He's in Fraggle Bagel. He's in Fragel Bagel. I will say, being very depressed and going to a place called Bagel Fragel is really funny.

And then I was so mad because I didn't feel like enough attention was being paid to how I had been blamed. Because my dad was like, so the car isn't, wasn't stolen. And I said, you know, actually it was stolen. Josh Stolen. Because otherwise he would have said, I'm taking the car. So it was stolen, actually. And now, but was that a different one, Josh, than the time that we were leaving the day party, the Greek restaurant? Was that a different girl that you were so upset about then?

Oh, yeah, I don't know. But I remember. That was different. So another time, so Josh and I were in the same fraternity, and we went to this fraternity event that was just, There was no girls and it was basically like a Midwestern 90s binge drinking and I wouldn't recommend it. But we've gone to a great restaurant and Josh again was going through a different bad breakup. And he and I, our family is Steelers fans. My dad's from Pittsburgh and that next weekend we were going to see a Steelers game.

And we're driving back on this bus and Josh is basically drunk and crying. And I said, hey, look at it this way. A week from now we're going to go see the Steelers in Pittsburgh. And I'll never forget it goes, I never love this deal I was about to see with dad. Oh my goodness. So, I mean, but I was a theater major, you guys.

Okay, now it's all makes sense. I love your family. I love, like, just that Josh you would have driven so far and it was a place where when you're recalling now, you can't even refrain from telling us that that's where your mother got her master. and you go into the and you go into the phone booth

and you just immediately call mom and dad and then the first thing they do is call Seth if I understand correctly. Yeah. It's just like it's just I mean it's beautiful. It's a really lovely, lovely thing to hear and reminisce about. I'm so happy

we went to college together. The main reason isn't even for the time we spent together in college. It's that Josh and I are now part of the same college friend group where there's 12 of us to get together once a year and Josh is so I have this great weekend where I both see

all my oldest college friends and my brother so that is how it pays off. It was a little stressful because when I was at college when you have your younger brother and your family is close as ours there was this expectation that I would look out for him and so

when Josh would have these moments I always felt there was a sense for my parents of like could you not let him drive to Okemess? No? Creeped over in the dead of night. Yeah, I'm pretty...

I don't quite know how to... Pretty elusive in that way. But also, I remember there was... We were in the same fraternity, but I had so many of my friends pledged a different fraternity. And it felt also to me like this horrible, emotional cleaving and that I would never see these people again. And I remember going to Seth's, you know, room in the frat house

and just like bawling and bawling my eyes out that it hadn't gone the way that I wanted it to go and that me and these friends weren't going to be together and that was the end of things. And then I was just at a reunion recently and it was so strange. The group we were hanging out was like the first floor of that dorm was sort of the hub.

It wasn't a fraternity thing. And those friends, I am still friends with and shared a kingbed with one of them because neither of us were smart enough to get the room with the double queen. but yeah do you feel like that dynamic is still true today

like it sounds like Josh you're quite a bit more sensitive and emotional than Seth is that true today? I think I I mean Seth is

I'm more sensitive but Seth is sensitive I think he just needs to sort of step off the ledge a bit more and when he does you know those tears will come pretty readily.

That's very true. Seth loves Thanksgiving and very often will cry in the midst of a Thanksgiving toast. Aww. Best holiday? It's the best holiday. It's my favorite one. I've heard at least one of you refer to your dad, like today, as your best friend. And we're just talking about how much we all love your family, even though we haven't met your parents.

But I want to know, can you point to anything that he did growing up that has led to that? Like any, I know it's probably so many things, but. Well, I will just say, so he worked really hard and he commuted to Boston, which was an hour drive each way. So he got home fairly late and would leave pretty early. but the thing I remember about dad is he never had anything else going on other than us on the weekends there was never any sense that

until we had our own things we wanted to do did he start having a hobby even you know that he was never like when he picked up golf it was the four of us would go golfing and when he you know he started umpiring little league games because we were playing little league

and so but it was all there was never a sense that he had any hobbies outside being our dad and that was pretty awesome yeah also like when he would get home from work that was a big event for us and we would always you know he'd be in a suit or a shirt and tie and he'd be like come upstairs with me while he changed and so instantly we were you know sitting on the bed while he was you know getting into more comfortable clothes and you know we always had dinner together the four of us at the table. This is, I should, so we have, my wife pointed this out the first time she came to, because my parents still live in the house, Josh and I grew up in, we only ever ate dinner at the kitchen table, and it's the smallest kitchen table.

Like, you couldn't fit a fifth chair there if you tried. And she, her take on my family would be, we are deeply insular. my dad once said which will not surprise either of our significant others along his lines of like don't have sex with a girl

because it'll matter more to her than you he said ideally marry an orphan he was like it'll just be easier to not have to integrate two families yeah but yeah

he really pushed the orphan thing hard ideally he really it was a long running bed of his But he, so Josh, gave the greatest best man toast in the history of weddings at mine. And as he says, the tears do come. I had four, in my life, the four hardest cries of my life happened within the same toast, where I would compose myself and then he would say something where I would just have, like,

I think the word for it is like a crying jack. I would buckle over because it hit me again and one of my friends actually said who has she turned to her husband during Josh's speech they had one kid and said we have to have another kid

she understood the importance of like siblings based on Josh's toast at her wedding but Josh the really funny theme of it was how welcoming like how we grew up and this is true we grew up, we sat at that kinsh table every night, we had dinner, and then we would play hearts. And it was always the same teams.

And it was me and my mom against Josh and my dad. And every night we would play hearts. And Josh was saying, like, how the great thing about hearts is a four-person game, and we were a four-person family. And he tells us lovely speech, and he talks about my wife, and he talks about my wife's family. And Josh is very close with them as well. So, you know, the joke being married an orphan,

but, you know, I had gotten incredibly lucky with my in-laws. But then at the very end, Josh was like, and we just want you to know you're always, Welcome at our table, unless we're playing hearts. That is a four-person game. There was some real truth in that. Seth, are you going to have your writers prepare your speech for a Josh's wedding? Or are you going to tackle that one on your own?

I try very hard to not let my writers punch up anything personal because they're just ultimately not that good of people. Yeah. They're good at writing jokes about, say, the news. But if you ever left... You never want them to speak from your heart because theirs are black. And we'll be right back. Fall is in full swing and it's the perfect time to refresh your wardrobe with pieces that feel as good as they look.

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and B, had a real appreciation for humor, When things went bad, there was always something funny about it. We'd love to hear about a disaster trip. Yeah, what? I mean, the singular day that was the biggest disaster is we went to Bush Gardens in Tampa Bay, and there was a hurricane? It was a hurricane, and there were also some tornadoes about. Oh, okay.

Double whammy. And so they evacuated the park, and we had to run out of the park and get on this sort of tram that would take you back to where you were parked. and we all got on the tram and then as it pulled away we realized Josh was not on the tram just sort of standing like I don't know

like when you said like when it it was like very felt like a black and white romance where someone is just like left on the dock and then my parents turned on each other pretty hardcore as far as who called that was right and then we finally managed to get them

and then we got in a car and it was standstill traffic and our dad was so mad that every time the traffic moved three inches, he would floor it and then slam on the brakes. It's the worst day of my life. Yeah, we went to a lake in Maine or a pond because it was called molasses pond. And it just, there were bugs and there was a bad outhouse. and our mother got stung by a bit by a horsefly,

and her arms swelled up, like her forearms were like Popeyes. And my mother still contends that it was a great trip, and she holds on to it and speaks about it lovingly, but it was trouble all around. To my mom's eternal credit, I don't think she can say it was a bad trip if both her boys were there. Aw.

That's so sweet. Our father threatened a coffee table in a lobby in a hotel in Florida because it had hurt him. He bumped into it and blamed it. He blamed the inanimate object. And swore at it and bawled up a fist and got real close to smashing it to Smither Ains. And he gets really mad. He sort of curses like this.

Like that's like not. It's like a cartoon character. Yeah, you don't hear. you're an actual curse word, but you know that was what it was. It's like in a Christmas story when the dogs have come in and where the dad yells like, does it poppuses?

It's a collection of swears. It's those yeah, those series of punctuations that imply a swear, but you don't know exactly how to read them. But we're not you know, even today when

we're all together you know we like obviously going out to dinner and we'll go to sporting events tends to be where we congregate these days but we all the highlight is always end of the night just sitting around playing cards or playing a board game and it's really it's the best do you think um the advent of smartphones would have shattered your family unity or like i'm like i'm wondering i don't mean it really but i'm just it sounds so your fond memories sound very fond, you know? And I'm thinking about how technology would have potentially really complicated that.

It's funny every now and then my mom will be like, oh, kids today. I mean, I never would have let a kid look at the phone at the kitchen table. I'm like, which phone? The one on the wall? Like, at least appreciate it's harder now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I would, if a phone had literally every book on it, I think I might have wanted to look at it. Yeah. You mentioned this tradition with your dad where he comes home and you guys sit on the bed together and then he spent, you know, he devoted all his weekends to you. My impression of someone in your position is like a late night host and all the many things that you do and that you're so talented at is that your time would be different. Like you wouldn't have as much time available to you. So I'm wondering how you're thinking about kind of your relationship with your kids and what you'll be able to carry forward and what you might not. So, weirdly, I would have also thought that.

But, yeah, no, I've got a bunch of things picked out. Are you going to be a shit dad? Or are you going to have a shit together? Well, I, you know, I know this is hard to believe, but I actually have a very good schedule. I don't think I could have been a good dad when I was at SNL. But late night's not terrible. And after the pandemic, we started taping earlier in the day. We tape at four. And I get home.

I put my kids to bed every night. That's awesome. The hard thing is when I want to do another thing. If I want to start, you know, working on stand-up again, and then you're basically picking one weekend a month where you're going to leave. And that is where the trade-off is. But ultimately, if I could just be satisfied with doing late night, it's not as awful as you'd think.

And I'm very lucky because to have a job in showbiz where ultimately every night's a home game. and I don't work that far from where I live and so I think I'm doing a pretty decent job I also don't have any hobbies and very very fingers crossed that this holds very few friends I just I also want to sort of just come back because I don't want it to get lost in all this

because our father would take a lot of business trips as well and you know our mother was you know, she had us for so much of the days. Oh my God, are we going to talk about how great moms are? Here we go. Get back on the showbox. I mean, she was and is the best and yeah, did it all solo and was, yeah, it was just amazing and so sweet and loving. And she had been a teacher and she stopped teaching when she had us.

and then as soon as we were in school and, you know, had regular length school days. She went back to teaching and did that for years. But she, yeah, she was great. I'm glad you said something because I was really starting to touch you. You guys were the ones who were like, your dad, I've heard you say your dad's your best friend. Yeah, well, implied in that was like,

I haven't heard you say anything about your mom. Oh, you laid a trap. Oh, is this the trap podcast? The other thing about our favorite thing about our mom Oh, not our favorite thing, but one of the great things about our mom Is she was just like, and again, she's an educator And a beloved educator, retired now But she also had this real sense of mischief

If you were sick Or wanted to pretend like you were sick She was always down To just let you stay home She would go to the video store She'd rent two movies bring them home you would just chill all day with her whereas if my dad left for work

you would wait till your dad our dad left before you'd try to be like I think it's that there's a tickle because if he he would never buy that bullshit he'd say toast and tea yeah have some toast and tea and you're like what's the point never mind I'll go choke down toast and tea

but she was so that I mean so much of my childhood I just loved those days and I think Josh and I had a sense two of you know we we almost treated them like professional sick days ourselves we couldn't we couldn't cash it in that often yeah but uh and never on the same day but it was so much fun to stay home with her she would go get a pizza yeah she she was down to hang this is terrible for a cold i know exactly yeah that's how she knew you weren't sick she's like let's get you some dairy transcript or something it's like you missed something like 66 days of school something crazy it was bad it was a big number yeah it was like just just under the number of like you got to come back

I should say in high school I feel as though a lot I teachers liked me but they all thought I wasn't living up to my potential but they didn't think I was a bad kid but they were a little disappointed at how and I just remember this really lovely teacher who and I was friends with her son her name was Mrs. Alden and she was a math teacher and the amount that I would just be sick on test days and she would just say are you uh how you feeling I'm like I'm feeling better she was can't help but notice it just seems to be on test days I'm like I know I've also noticed it's so serious too much when did you start to see yourselves as performers when did that start to interest you and when did comedy call? We used to watch

Mystery, PBS Mystery. And after Mystery one night, Monty Python came on, and we found it completely by accident. And so that was sort of our entree into sort of adult, silly comedy. And so I think that was hugely influential to us. And our mother had been a theater major

briefly in college. Our father is very entertaining. Like, he can command a dinner table. And, yeah, then we would also, we would hang out at the foot of our parents' bed sort of pseudo-performing for them every night before they would go to bed. We sort of, I don't know, if we got tucked in

or if we sort of, in a wait, tuck them to bed. Yeah, just put them to bed. Because we would, you know, we would put on costumes or we would come in we would just sort of parade around at the foot of their bed. And that was our first stage. And my mom laughs at everything. Growing up, my take, she just laughed at our dad all the time.

And it was really sweet. And it just, I think there was a thought of, ah, so this is a good, good in-road with the opposite sex. It'd be entertaining and funny. Yeah, there were like some talent shows in our high school where Josh and I would do you know either SNL sketches or Monty Python sketches and that was a really cool thing

that was the first time being on stage for me making peers laugh where you think oh my God this is the best feeling in the world because so much of high school is anybody you want the right kind of attention and you're so afraid of the wrong kind of attention and so to like be on stage doing comedy where you're you know

your friends and even and people that weren't your friends were watching, it was so exhilarating. We do ask people a couple of questions about their sort of established careers. Seth, it would be great to hear your journey to SNL. Just sort of like, when did that come on your radar? How did you get into that?

I mean, it was so weird because I ended up working on the show that taught me everything I knew about comedy because Josh and I would watch it. We would stay up and watch it and we would tape it. And then when our parents woke up on Sunday morning because they watched it when they were younger,

we would fast forward and throw them, show them the sketches we thought were funny. And that, again, was sort of borne out of the fact that I think we have the same sense of humor as our parents. So we would know the ones they wouldn't like, and those were also the ones we didn't like. And then we both, Josh and I both did, it's a very similar path.

We both did the improv troupe at Northwestern. And then we both worked for this comedy theater in Amsterdam called Boom Chicago. And then I came back from that and I was just doing this two-person show with our friend Jill Benjamin in Chicago and randomly one night I was doing this little improv festival

and someone who worked in the SNL talent department was there and saw it and asked me to send in an audition tape and this is back when you would have to find a friend with a camera, like a video camera and they would record it on a little tape and then you'd have to bring that little tape to like a Kinko's where they put it on a VHS tape

and then I mailed it in and I remember at the time just thinking the fact that S&L gave me their address was a perfectly good story that I would tell the rest of my life. They gave me their mailing address. But yeah, so it all, it was weird. I didn't quite have a plan after college,

but then I got lucky enough that things kept happening. But it all happened very fast. I was 27 when I started at S&L. And I've been working in the building with the same ID ever since. Wow. Did you? Did people still believe that picture?

I get some very withering looks from the security guards. Did you, I watch SNL, but I don't remember. Did you act? Were you always a writer? I know you did the weekend update, but were you ever in the skits? Very hurtful. So here's the thing. So I got cast as a cast member, and it was not good.

It was very rocky. I did not think I was going to actually make it. I feel like I have a good I'm not too hard on myself I feel like I'm very I'm good at honestly assessing where I fit in an ecosystem and I just looked around

when I was there and thought man if I was writing for this show I would be my eighth choice when I was writing the sketch I was there with Andy Sandberg and Jason Stadakis and Bill Hayter and Fred Armisen and Will Forte just at some point I'm like

they're really great you know what I mean and like it's not I wasn't mad at myself I'm like you're good it's just this is a hard place to be good you gotta be great but I also in that time I was doing a lot of writing and so then when Tina Faye left

Lauren asked if I wanted to basically join the writing staff which I had not actually officially been a member of to sort of run things while she was on maternity leave and then I parlayed that into being the head writer and when I got weekend update I then stopped

you know trying to force myself into sketches which nobody myself included wanted anyway but it was it wasn't it took until like year five where I was like, okay, they're getting their money's worth with me. Seth, you've talked openly about kind of your first year, a couple years at late night being a bit rough, sort of not what people expected from you. And I think it's a really actually inspiring story of sticking it through something that sounds like it could be pretty challenging and being flexible about it.

And I'm just curious, I don't know if you want to like recap that a little bit for people who don't know, but also what was that time like for you emotionally? Like that just sounds like something that would be so grueling. And how did you get through it? It was really rough, and it was a time where I was then transitioning into having a family. So even though S&L was a roller coaster, at least I had the room to be incredibly selfish about my stress and my anxiety. And now all of a sudden I'm married and we're going to start a family. And I got this show and it was very exciting, but I just, the mistake I made was aiming.

for competence, I just wanted to show I could do a talk show and didn't put enough focus into doing the talk show I wanted to do. I don't know if that makes sense, but I thought, oh, I'm going to show everybody I can do a monologue just like anybody else who has a talk show. And then ultimately, if you aim for things other people are doing better than you, you end up in the same situation I was at SNL, which is there's a lot of people who are great. And, you know, when you have a lot of great, you don't need a good necessarily. And so it still rubs me to this day.

But when I started the show, Lorne Michael said it'll take you 18 months to figure it out. And I, at the time, I was riding high. I was a head writer at S&L. And I was like, it's not going to take me 18 months? It was six months, tops, probably four. And then it was fully 18 months in where I was like, I'm going to not do a monologue.

I'm going to start behind a desk. I'm going to get back to my weekend update Roots. And when I realized it was exactly 18 months, I was so mad. I was like, that son of a gun did it again. But, man, now it's, I think, yeah, 10 years in February, which is, uh, Congratulations. Wow. Yeah. Josh, will you tell us about your path to Mad TV, what that experience was like for you?

Yeah, I mean, it was very similar to Seth. I came out of Boom, Chicago and Amsterdam, and I met Ike Barronholz over there, a very funny actor and great writer. And he and I moved to, he had moved back to L.A. a year before me, and then I moved here, and we put up a two-person show. that was pretty good I think it was really funny and we knew we were friendly with Nicole Sullivan who was sort of not

I don't think she was an original Mad TV member but like year two or year three and she brought the casting director and said you have to see this show and so from that show Ike and I both got sort of in person auditions at Mad TV

and then were hired together as a team and then I only did a couple years there but then managed to parlay that into the last season of that 70 show which is somewhat yeah there are people that I'll run into and they'll be like

I hate you, you stole Eric's girlfriend and I'm like I that's no his name is Tofer he went to go do Spider-Man too I didn't steal anybody's anything and I should note I am one of those people

Yeah, I just feel like Seth wears his team Eric shirt all the time Which is very I was Team Eric before you got that part That's not something I started And yeah So sort of that's my path And then since then I've sort of been cobbling it together

With gigs here and there And if I said I wasn't jealous Of the consistency and longevity Of Seth's career I would be lying But I'm not alone out here Sort of trying to find the next thing and now

I have to say he's always been incredibly supportive he's the best brother in the world and now I got a podcast so at least there's that and I will say I mean we were you know we were chatting over on that podcast with you guys

and you I think you probably are intensely closer for having done a podcast basically since it seems like you were essentially strangers before I started and finally learned Sophie's name.

Yeah. But Josh and I were talking recently, and this is this is authentic. You know, we are so close. Obviously, you can tell, you know, we have spent our whole lives being incredibly close, but we've also been on the opposite coast for almost two decades. And having a podcast

has been the most the part I did not see coming was how nice it is that we're spending an hour together every week. It's been... I think sometimes men, male friends, like, don't talk well. You know, Josh I will chat through a week, but like it's actually been really special to have that time.

Yeah, built-in time. Sophie, did you notice that they said just one hour a week? I was literally what I think Penn didn't anticipate that he would be spending so much time with us. I think you might have made a different decision. What are we doing wrong? What is going on? Josh, I did want to ask you just a follow up on that 70s show because I do think that's a tough, I would imagine, a tough position to be in to come take over. Like he was sort of the lead.

I know there was an ensemble. But in a way, he was kind of the lead of the show. Just what was that like to step out on, like, the last season of an established show? What was that like for you on set? What was that like? It was great. Everyone was so nice. Everyone was so welcoming.

It also wasn't like I was stepping into, like, a new lead position. Like, I was a new side character. And they had that show down to a science in the last year. Like, they would camera block it with Stan. hand-ins. So I want to say Monday, everything would get camera blocked. So Tuesday, you'd go in and you would know in this scene, you're going to start on the couch, you're going to move to the washing machine, and you could change things up. But we probably worked 24-hour work weeks. And we would tape on Friday night, and it was an event. Like, it was such a popular show. You know, everyone I was

working with was a millionaire multi-times over and I feel like was happy about that and where everyone was comfortable and nice and you know Ashton Coucher's dressing room

had been turned into a poker room. It was a time in the world when everything was poker and poker was so popular and you would, you know, you'd go up after you were done for a show and maybe there'd be a couple more scenes and like a young rumor Willis would be playing poker

with like whoever was there hanging out and it was just, it was really yeah, it was an event and it was great to be a part of. And also coming off of Mad TV that had an audience that felt very often like it was sort of cycled through and it's like, hey, do you want to see a TV show

versus that 70s show, people would come dressed up, people would propose, people like would get a group of their friends together and after the show, you know, we would sign autographs and it was very tactile with the audience and they really loved it and you could really feel that in the room. I don't know if this is apocryphal or not,

but the last scene of that 70s show was New Year's Eve, 1979. I was not in that episode or I wasn't in that scene and they sort of apologized to me. I was like, it's fine. I'm not too precious about it. about this. And it was a very hard scene for the cast to get through because they had done this show for so long and it's emotional when you get to the end of a show. And so we were trying to shoot the scene. People were crying. People were stumbling over lines. We kept having to reset. We kept having to have makeup come out. And we were finally getting it. They had sort of hit a stride and it was like, this is the shot. This is the take. And a phone rang. and Ashton Coucher was there

and Demi Moore was there and it was Demi Moore and she took the call and the director was like what? She like, her phone rang and she was like, yeah, hello? And it was like, and we had to do it again

and it was such a, it was amazing. It was really amazing. I mean, no disrespect to me, but it was a pretty... They didn't have phones in 1979, so you gotta cut it out. Yeah, it's a pretty high level Hollywood flex to take that call in that situation.

David and I were driving through Burbank the other day and I was seeing all these studios and I was thinking about all the scenes and shots that are outside of studios and then I was just thinking someone has to location scout and that in itself sounds like I would if I had to location scout for a movie I'd quit I'd like it's too exhausting already and that's one like one millionth of what it takes to make a show or let alone a film it sounds so complicated I'm I'm shocked that anything ever gets made just when you were describing like the blocking of that 70s show I'm like yeah that sounds nice that that's it was so nice and also it was such a it was such an event and it like people loved it so much that I still like I'll go to that

CBS Radford lot and security guards will still remember me and they're like Like, oh, man, yeah, it's not like it used to be because it was fun. It brought something fun to a lot. Yeah. And, yeah, people were psyched for it. It was, yeah, it was a lot of fun. I was grateful to have had that opportunity

and probably wish I was better in the show, but I'm not going to watch it again to see if what the people say about me is real. Like maybe I didn't know what to do with my arms. I didn't know what to do with my arms. That's one of the reasons I had to start my show at the desk. It was so bad doing a monologue. Somebody said,

it always looks like you're trying to land a plane. We always ask if you could go back to your 12-year-old self, what would you say or do? And then I think maybe I also want to hear what do either one of you recall about the other at that age and is there something that you would have said to the other one as well at that age?

when we knew we were doing this I always come back to this haunting memory of the first time I feel like I got invited to a party and again because I was so close with my parents I was trying to figure out what to wear and I feel like it was the wrong time to involve my parents because

my dad felt like very strongly that I should wear like nice pants in a sweater and then it was just everybody was dressed It was like I thought it was like semi-formal And it was just in a friend's basement And I so I think one thing I wouldn't want to say much to my 12 year old sense Because I'm always worried that like

He did get me here Yeah But I would say don't overthink it I wish you could just tell kids Don't overthink it Yeah yeah You're ultimately your first instinct Is probably your best instinct

And I think that kids so much of the thinking I did was about how other people were going to perceive me instead of how I perceived myself. So that was the biggest thing. Yeah, I think I, and I still to this day, sort of have this hang up, but I think I would say don't.

It doesn't have to be perfect and like learn, almost fail intentionally and learn to love it. I feel like I'm so afraid of something not working. and sort of I don't ship the work a lot of times. I don't put things out there because I hold on to them because I want them to be better. And I feel like now I'll see people that just put stupid things on YouTube.

And it's like you'll watch them and it's like, this is terrible, that's terrible, that's terrible, that's awful. And then you're like, yeah, Yeah, but now they're like, they've got this show and it's good. And they weren't afraid to put something out that the world could look at and critique. And, you know, yeah, it wasn't good because you were just learning at that time. I'm so impressed with, nothing impresses to me more than a stand-up that delivers a joke that fails and no one seems to enjoy it more than the stand-up.

Yeah. Whereas that just would feel awful to me And I would love to sort of I'd love to have more experience With failing and not caring Or learning from it Not caring is not the right thing It's just learning from it

And not taking it personally I do say to any young When young people ask me about getting into comedy And I think it's probably true of everything Which is it's failure is easy when you're younger You think it's harder Because you're so worried about peer group but the longer you wait to try something the harder it gets to take that first step

so true i always am like you know you want to be a comedian go on stage wherever go like do a high school talent night do a college because you'll bomb and you'll learn more from bombing than you ever will from watching people succeed watching someone someone's finished product is not an education yeah that's a great point what would you say to each other if you could I mean, I would, I mean, if I could go back in time, I'd tell Josh, like, don't get the perm. Did you get a perm, Josh? It wasn't, it wasn't a perm. It was a va-voom from L'Oreal.

What is that? They had a poster. Oh, what is it? It's a perm. All right. There's a video element to this show, right? Yes. Just look at my hair and look at Seth's hair and see if the perm, see if the perm that I had a long time ago.

You think your hair looks better than mine now? because you got a va-voombed? I think that it gave me a little more bounce. Well, then I hope if you could go back in time, you would tell me to get the va-voom. Yeah, well, yeah, I think that's fair enough. If you could come back to me at 12 with that hair and be like, get the va-voom,

I would do it in a heartbeat. I'm so jealous. It's the best. We used to both have great hair. There's pictures of us where I'm like, Where did it all come off? When did the wheels come off? Yeah, I think it's when you decided not to go with me to the hair cutters at Merrimat and Maramac and get that treatment.

Or maybe I just have the hair of a man with three children. Maybe when you delivered a baby in the lobby. Yeah, maybe that. You should have seen. Oh, my God. The day before Lobby Baby, full head. There was no gap between my top of my eyebrow bottle. Oh, thank you guys so much for coming on.

Thank you. What a delight to spend the afternoon with you guys. You can listen to Family Trips wherever you get your podcasts, and you can follow Seth at Seth Myers and Josh at Josh D. Myers. David, you can hear and are you. being recorded, too? Yes, and yes. You're about to be

a father. How are you feeling? I feel extremely excited. He's like, get me off this recording device? I think now you know why he recused himself. Right. If that's the best he could do excited,

I see why he's out of the podcast. I am over. He's such a sweet, personable guy. It's funny. that the mic changes him like that. Yeah. The mic, the camera, he completely, I tried to film us finding out the sex of the baby.

And he, just because I wanted to have that as a memory, like us finding out if it was a girl or boy. And multiple times I had to stop recording because he was like, I can't, I don't feel like I can be myself. Yeah. I do like his self-awareness to know

that that was a very, special moment and it's better to be authentic than get a bad David on tape. Yeah, it's true. Yeah. Whereas I'm like, this is content. Yeah. Content. Baby equals content. I mean, is it crazy to cast a different David for just the on-june or stuff?