Podcrushed - The Jonas Brothers

Episode Date: July 23, 2025

Well folks, they’re here. The Jonas Brothers — a once-in-a-generation trio who’ve helped define pop culture for the past 20 years — join the pod for a candid, unfiltered conversation about their early years. From playing mall shows in Wyckoff, New Jersey to headlining stadiums across the globe, they reflect on family, fame, and the road to their monumental comeback. Plus, they share a sneak peek at their new album, Greetings From Your Hometown, out August 8. Preorder our new book, Crushmore, here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Crushmore/Penn-Badgley/9781668077993      Want more from Podcrushed? Follow our social channels here: Insta: https://bit.ly/PodcrushedInsta TikTok: https://bit.ly/PodcrushedTikTok X: https://bit.ly/PodcrushedTwitter   You can follow Penn, Sophie and Nava here: Insta:   / pennbadgley     / scribbledbysophie     / nnnava   Tik Tok:   / iampennbadgley     / scribbledbysophie     / nkavelin  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

So 12 years old, just started new school in New Jersey. And it's actually the year I picked up the guitar. Oh, okay. Yeah. I started it. He just picked it up. He didn't do it. I just picked up for the first I was doing it.

How much is this way? Welcome to Pod Crushed. We're hosts. I'm Penn. I'm Nava. And I'm Sophie. And I think we would have been your middle school besties. Craming for finals.

15 minutes before they start. Shit. Welcome to Pod Crush. Sophie Ansari, where is Penn Badgley? He's here. Not to worry. Do not click away, listeners. He's coming.

He's actually coming with his three honorary brothers, the Jonas brothers. He filmed one TikTok with them. People pointed out they were all brunettes. And now he goes by Penn Jonas and he refused to do this intro with us. So, you know, there you have it.

Before we jump into this episode, which we loved, I was smiling for days after. I think you all will love it too. We want to thank our friends at Sirius XM who allowed Penn Jonas and the rest of the Jonas Brothers to use the studio today for filming. We're so grateful. We couldn't have done it without you, especially a shout out to Adam and Gian who made it happen. I do not need to tell you anything about the Jonas Brothers.

You already know who they are. They have been at the beating heart of culture for the last 20 years, which is such a crazy thing to be able to say about such young men. Yeah. They're back today in support of their. new album called Greetings from Your Home Town. There's already a few singles out that you can listen to and their album will be out

August 8th. We talked all about it and all about so many other things. You think you're going to love this episode. So don't go anywhere. Stick around. So I'm not sure if you're aware, but what we do here is, you know, it's pod crush. The idea is adolescence, middle school. We start

at 12th because that's a formative time of life for everybody, right? Particularly for performers, it is the case. You guys are right there in the pocket because your adolescence was, well, largely documented, right? And there is like... Too largely documented, yeah. Well, exactly.

And we want to go to the highs or lows, everything. But we like to start just at a snapshot, like daily life at 12. Now, obviously, you're not at the same age. So I was wondering if maybe we could just get a, you know, know, like Kevin at 12, Joe at 12, Nick at 12, and the way you were, as much as you can weave it together, just like, you know, the way you were influencing each other's adolescence. And you all had a different life, right? But let's just get a snapshot, maybe, just from the eldest to the youngest.

Yeah, so 12 years old, just started a new school in New Jersey, private school. We came out of a public school thing and went to a private school. And I was the only one at this point still going to, like, to school. Nick was already starting to work. And on Broadway, I was doing slightly some commercials, some commercial work. And I was, like, in and out of school a little bit, but mostly I was just in school. And it's actually the year I picked up the guitar. Oh, okay.

Yeah. I started it. He just picked it up. He didn't do anything. I just picked up for the first time. How much is this way? Yeah. I was homesick from school.

with strep I used to get a lot of strep throw All year I faked it for another week but I had it for like a true like you know weak fevers the whole thing and I at that point obviously like it's not like today

where you have a million things to watch at any given time so I got really bored if the price is right at 10 a.m. Oh wow that just gave me a flashback it was like Nick Jr. was on you know like it's just like Nick Jr.'s on then it moves to Nickelodeon but you're just kind of like waiting

for any content that you might like So I was bored of it And I picked up a teach yourself guitar book And that was when I started like doodling around on the guitar Did you have to Was there a guitar at home already? There was. We grew up in a very musical home

Our father is a great musician Grew up singing playing in different like country clubs Not like golf but like actual country western Oh right. Like singing and then like led Then we were in my dad was a pastor Arda was a pastor of a church at the time So we were also like music was a part of the church

and so like growing up playing and being around it a lot and when you were 12 how old were you guys maybe you would know better um we're what four years apart five years apart yeah i was like eight okay 10 and a half depending on how old camera was when he was 12 okay can i ask how you do you remember it's getting real specific so it doesn't need to be bad i like that at 12 when you were 12 let's get you at 12 and then how did you perceive your older brother because older brothers are a thing By the way, I'm an only child very much. Okay. So.

And also, just for our listeners, obviously you know, we all know who you're pointing to and talking to, but just anyone who's listening, you all, because your brothers, sound remarkably similar when you're just listening in headphones. Yeah.

Yeah. Just one of the years. Okay. I just told my 12-year-old life story. Yeah. I did say we were starting eldest. Thank you. Yes, yes.

But then just now you said, and you, and you. And you? You couldn't say you more. And you, Joe. When I was 12, these guys were both very athletic, and I was not. So I would hang out with them or go to a lot of their gymnastics meets or they would go skateboarding a lot. So I was the guy that would film skateboarders.

Who was the one? So somebody hit a nice Ollie in the documentary. Was that you? That was you? That was kind of. I was kind of. I live my best life. I like skating.

I like there's like, I listen to the music and I watch the documentary. I like you pointed out something We're prepared I appreciate it as a prep, thank you So yeah 12 years old I was just starting to think about music Because the crush that I had at the time I brought her to see Nick on Broadway

Nick Nick the youngest brother What show was he in, do you remember? At the time I think it was L-Miz Okay, so it was L-Maze Was that your first or second Or maybe I remember wrong about that When you were 12 When you were 12 he was in a late-niz

Yeah so Yeah when you were 12 I just sent me out to sound like a jerk there but yeah, it was one thing. His first Broadway show. And seeing that show with somebody that I had a crush on, and she was like, wow, that is so amazing. I immediately wanted to get into theater or be an actor of some sort.

So I was interested, and Nick was already doing theater. Kevin was doing commercial work, so we started all kind of acting. And I loved comedy, but it's also funny because I was too shy to stand up and do anything with comedy, but I love the idea of doing something in the comedy world or space. so again not very athletic but I would hang out these guys all the time so I would go and film like with we I bought I think my parents bought me for Christmas one year like a Sony like VHS cam so I could go and film pretty much whether it was home videos home movies or these guys and their talents so yeah that was me at 12 that's thoughtful that you were I mean it was the 90s right but you but like that you were filming your brothers that feels to me like um I don't know that's that's giving

you know to not necessarily initially want to turn it on yourself yeah I mean I wish I could have I just didn't have to do okay I wasn't as gifted in those talents as they were

and then how I viewed my older brother Kevin I was great to be the middle child where if one of them didn't want to hang out with you or if Kevin when he started like his first I guess girlfriend I was

Then I was able to be like able to be like Well Nick's gonna be around He's gonna hang on me too So I was always able to like kind of have somebody to befriend And I think those years Like we were just starting to get into music too The idea of Of listening to the same kind of bands

A lot of like emo punk pop bands Jersey was like They would do shows You'd see these funny videos of people performing in little I hops or basements of clubs we were like one day we're going to go see these concerts so music was just on the forefront right and so by the time you're 12 Nick yeah it's really there right I mean you because you had started so early like you really you really I mean if to whatever degree the documentary reflects all the things

that were happening I know stuff is left out but it seems like you really kind of you started super early I started yeah about eight years old right okay so by the time you're 12 how where in the in the evolution of your own path and also the Jonas Brothers Path, are we? Yeah, it was early stages for the brother's path, but basically during my 12th year of life, I was making

a solo album. So I'd been signed by Columbia Records as a solo artist first, coming out of the Broadway shows that I was doing as a kid. I did shows from the time I was 8 to about 11. And then somebody heard this song that I'd written with our dad for a

Broadway Cares Equity Fight say it's Christmas compilation, and, you know, my dad and I would, I did it too, our father and I would. I get it. It's my story. You know, we would write songs, basically, silly, fun songs on the way to New York City from our home in New Jersey, just as a way to pass the time. And then eventually it started getting more and more serious,

and we started, you know, really kind of writing real songs. And so when they, you know, said that our show was going to do a number for this compilation, my dad very boldly asked if we could present an original song as Beauty and the Beast's contribution. And they very boldly said yes. And someone basically that we knew a family friend who happened to be our chiropractor of all people, Dr. Wallony, shout out Dr. Wallenies, played it for somebody that worked at Sony Records. And we thought, you know, that could be anybody, you know, who knows who this person is. And it turned out that it was the head of international affairs for all of on a music group who then brought me in to have me meet this guy David Massey who had signed

you know incredible acts and happened to have signed a couple of acts of brothers previously Charlotte Oasis some you know major people to name a few yeah so he he signed me kind of on the spot at 11 years old and I spent a year working with songwriter so I would drive into the city with my dad or our mom and basically kind of be dropped off. Can I interrupt you to ask you a question? Is it normal for them to allow an 11-year-old to write part of the songs? Like, I would imagine that they would not include you in the writing process. Like, how did you end up being able to be a songwriter on that album? Yeah, it's a great question. I think the thing for me was that I was so ambitious and I credit our parents with, you know, instilling a lot of confidence in us at an early age and empowering us in our desire to, you know, create music and not just perform. but to create it. To where, you know, when we were negotiating the deal points for my album, my dad

said that, you know, it was important that I be a part of the writing process. And so I'm sure these... These songwriters were all rolling their eyes going, yeah, sure, this 11 and 12th year. Okay, he's going to walk in, yeah, and be a part of it. But what ended up happening is, I cut my teeth in that time and really learned the craft

and kind of went to school, getting to work with some of the best writers here in New York City. to a point where basically I would come home and listen to Kevin and Joe through the wall workshopping different songs each night Kevin would play, Joe would sing

and I one night went and heard them singing a song called 24 by the band Switchfoot an album that we all loved, a beautiful letdown and I was taken aback by just how brilliant they sounded together and then we started working on a song together and it was the first one we'd ever written so really the genesis of the band happened when I was 12 and formed kind of out of a wild set of circumstances

to where that song that we wrote that night ended up being the song that got us all three signed and ruined my life. There is a fourth Jonas brother. You have a younger brother, who's quite a bit younger, so I think from an outsider's perspective, it makes sense that the three of you have gone on to form this band.

But I'm curious how that has played a role or, you know, was there ever a time when it would have maybe made sense for him to join you all, or was that ever something he wanted? How much younger is he, can I ask for us? He's 18 years younger than me. Okay. But 12 or 13 years younger?

13 for me, yeah. Yeah, right, right. So he was, you know, he was not a surprise. Wow. Which our parents, you know, they wanted to have another child and thankfully, you know, God did God's things, and Franklin appeared. And he, you know, from the time he was born, and he was just so full of life and funny.

You know, he's like, I have a three-and-a-half-year-old now, and I'm sort of watching some of the same character traits that Franklin, her uncle, possessed, you know, at that age where he was just funny and carefree and had a really interesting perspective on everything, and she kind of shares that same thing. It's fun to see that connection points generationally. But, you know, I don't know if there's ever point

where he wanted to join the band, But I think that naturally growing up, you know, with your brothers being on TV and touring and, you know, it can certainly affect your sense of reality and your perception of, you know, kind of what life is or what normal life is because he had only known one speed. We had, you know, at least in my case, 12 or 13 years of real normalcy or perceived normalcy. and a very sort of simple life, you know, there's not a whole lot of money in ministry, turns out. You're doing God's work. We were, you know, we were, I think, really fortunate to have early days where we had a real sense

of what hard work meant and, you know, that great things could be achieved, but it takes time and how to treat people. And so I'm sure for Franklin a bit disorienting, but he's really grown into to be the absolute, like, most wonderful human being. He's great. Who's got the biggest heart and shows up not only for the three of us in so many ways, but for our kids and our family.

I'm lucky. I get to do a show with him. We didn't do this season, but we do a show for ABC called Claim to Fame. So we actually co-host it together, which is really fun because the concept is, you know, you're related to someone that's extremely famous, but you're trying to keep that a secret and try to figure out who these people are. the whole goal of the show. And so for him, it's like he just plays along with them as like the younger brother, even to these cast members, which is so cool and so fun.

And his whole energy. You get to like say that you're related to us, which is just so great. I finally. I'm also related to celebrities. Yeah. What's that? For better or for worse. I want to go back to this point you were making about having these years of normalcy

and they're not being a lot of money. And I think at some point I read in one of these things that you were essentially like a touring family band living in a really small apartment you did get some money from the album but it had to be split with like the whole family and they were extended family members maybe coming into the picture at some point so can you tell us about that time when you're like in the small apartment you do have a deal but you know it's it's it's a simple time I think because we didn't understand like the complexities of what our parents went and now as parents were all like you guys are unbelievable that you did you went through this our mom was pregnant with franklin at the time and

we're just kind of starting as a band and our dad is kind of weighing two different jobs, three different jobs. And also just like kind of letting us chase our dream, which is amazing, but teenagers who don't even know who they are yet and also living this life of quote unquote rock stars. So you'd go and play these concerts with thousands of people in the audience and then we'd go live in a bedroom of four boys in a small little house in New Jersey that are, I think, police chief that was like cool with our dad gave some mates rates

and gave us like a cheap rental so we could all live still in New Jersey at the time. So basically when our father finished at the church that he was pastoring, that also meant that we had to move out of our home. The parsonage is the home owned

by the church that the family of the pastor would live in and so... And you'd grown up there. We'd grown up there. I mean, yeah, we'd been there for about 11, 12 years. And so this very kind sort of friend of the family had a home that his mother who had just passed

that he said we could live in for very little to basically no rent because he knew how strapped we were because my dad had basically self-funded our father had self-funded the band because at that time you know this is, keep in mind it's like

0405 when you really needed a spark for a record label to invest any money or you needed to have a champion, they would say I'm doing finger quotes for people listening in the building who is an executive who has enough clout or power to say, yeah,

I believe in this project, so I'm going to commit to spending X on supporting the tour or supporting the album and budgeting stuff. But we didn't have that and we had basically been shuffled around the building with a bunch of different champions to the point where our dad was deeply in credit card debt just

by buying gear for us to play shows and we would kind of roll up to these school auditoriums This was the record label's genius idea, and it kind of worked, so I'm not being facetious here. But we roll into school auditoriums at about 8, 9 a.m., play a.m. play a 30-minute performance, which would then be followed by our uncle, Uncle Josh, shout out, getting on stage and doing like an anti-drug speech. So it was the strangest way for us to sort of like loophole into being able to play shows before we had any fans. And then we would leave that and go to shopping malls and basically do the same thing, which came full circle for us.

last, what was it, March, we did an event at this mall in New Jersey called The American Dream, where we celebrated the 20 years of his band, kind of going back to our roots playing in malls. Because, again, we would just go set up and play, hoping that people shopping would stop and listen. And, you know, eventually something clicked and things started to happen, but it was a grind at first, for sure. So there is this period where your father is no longer, let me say, pastor at the church at the church and that was a big departure

because it was sudden and unexpected as I understand. Correct. Right? And it really felt probably in many ways just like you were being I'm just imagining I'm reading a children's book to my son right now

where these actually they're troubadours interestingly enough they get kicked out of the town they're in because they're playing so loud and I'm just imagining like you know similar yeah so you know exactly it's actually about that but I'm just thinking for you guys you're still I mean I know that you're into your teens and stuff but they're but you're young your kids definitely and we felt sorry we felt it slightly responsible to for the for the departure of our father that's what I mean so this

as an origin story to me it feels very potent you know it's kind of like it's now or never it's a lot of pressure I mean definitely you were here being like all right, it worked. But that also made us feel like anything could be stripped from us and any minute. So it took us a long time to enjoy things because just like our dad losing his, or I guess leaving his job and the record label at the time dropping us, it kind of was like one-two punch and it happened within like the same month. Oh my gosh.

Because by the time that you guys were known as the Jonas Brothers, nobody was, that was, none of that was the image that was presented initially. Right, yeah. We definitely had like, we had a full album and videos and all this stuff. And when all that happened, we were feeling a little bit of shame, but also like embarrassed and frustrated, a little like mad at our dad at the time. Like, why would you leave this great, like our home and our amazing life? And yeah, you have no idea as a kid.

That's like, that's the best thing he'd possibly be doing for us in that situation. And it was like kind of treading water, at least for us, as we're going and feeling. and feeling like we're living double lives which it is what it is but we're so grateful for those humble upbringings now but sharing that room and then going playing these shows and you're like this doesn't feel like real are we supposed to be living in like this luxurious home

while we're doing this but now it's like you see why we think why that's like probably why we're probably somewhat normal people I guess mentally and then there was a record label who was associated Hollywood Records who was underneath the Disney like umbrella

gave us a call and was like hey we want to meet with you we have an idea for a pilot for a TV show and we want to sign you to our record label but we want to meet with you guys first so we literally packed our bags and moved to LA

and they put us up in a one Toluca Lake estates drive which is right off to Universal so when I was 12 years old I moved to North Hollywood first and then when I was 13 I lived in Tuluca Lake exactly

but everyone was in the beginning everyone was in that little name neighborhood. And we took a meeting and it was like the dream pitch. It was like, we want to do a TV show and maybe a movie and then we're going to sign a record label. And we're like, where do we sign? And of course our dad's like, hmm, let's just wait.

Our dad's like, but then that feeling back to your question, like, or I guess the Tribador book, we kind of felt like, well, like what if it happens again? It's like we wouldn't allow ourselves to just enjoy those things. We kind of talk about it in the documentary a lot. Just some of those like, I want to call them

traumas, but those feelings of being like Abandoned. I'll call them that. I'll call them that. Okay, the dramas of being like... The traumas. We'll call for now a small tea, but... Yeah.

A spicy memory. Um, something that may or may not happen to us because we're going to enjoy it. Yeah. And it took us years before we could just look back and be like, wow, that was... Now we're here. Celebrate the winds. We're good.

We're like, celebrate the day, not the, I guess, milestone or like massive year that you had. Was this right around the time? I mean, I feel... I just, watching the duck, I was thinking like, this is a moment of the kind of... the silent quiet sacrifices that like all people in music and entertainment make particularly people who make it to that level of a certain kind of pop stardom when you had and you guys weren't there yet but when you had this diabetes scare yeah yeah i was diagnosed at 13 yeah so basically we were doing that school tour and i started losing a ton of weight and you know drinking a ton of water using the bathroom all the time all the signs now that i know are symptoms of type 1 diabetes um but i think i I think it's actually a testament to kind of the lack of information and awareness there was around type 1 at this time. And so I had no idea. I just knew that I wasn't feeling well and was losing all this weight.

Joe and I went ahead of our parents by like a day to this place in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, which there was like a convention at every year for pastors and their families. So we jumped ahead. Joe was 16, so he was sort of like chaperoning me. We went to the pool one day and he saw my back and called my. parents and said you know something's really wrong you had to get down here and so because you're so skinny so skinny yeah you see every like every bone and I yeah I was I was I was uh I was feeling just awful and anyway so I went to the doctor and and normal glucose should

be between 70 to 120 for a person not living with type 1 diabetes mine was like north of 900 which is which is which is obviously very high um but I you know had great doctors and a couple days in the hospital and was back on stage you know within a week's time of of being diagnosed and I'm coming up in my 20th year living with the disease, which coincides with the 20th year of the band, coincidentally. Don't call them that. The band. Just the leaps we've made, though, it's pretty astounding, you know, tech-wise

and even just information that we have now as opposed to what we had then is really wild. Yeah, wow, that's amazing. And we'll be right back. If your dog could talk, listen, they'd have a lot to say. But one of the top three might be they would be begging you for Ollie. You know, the full body tail wag, they're excited, cute little hops, that big dumb goofy grin. That is the Ollie effect.

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It's all AI I'm pretty lucky I actually Amazon Brian has lots of money Yeah exactly I'm pretty lucky to have that kind of footage Like of that call Me inviting her to see her first show

Like It's pretty cool But there is a question that we ask All of our guests on the show Which is to tell us about their first crush And maybe first heartbreak And yours will be interesting Because sorry so just to interject

I just want to give the framing It's interesting because you know so much about your adolescence is completely abnormal as are many people on the show by the way it's like it's more or less nor was mine but you know

finding those places where you were just normal kids yeah right everybody has those feelings yeah who wants to go first elder's brother where are you at eldest brother we're so elder Kevin

elder Kevin speaking of church I will say it's a little surreal by the way talking about this age right now and thinking to myself of like, oh, that's my daughter now. Is she that old?

She's about to be 12th next year. Yeah, so it's a little bit like, oh, no, like her. Everything I'm doing will affect her life, oh, no. You know, like I'm doing that a little bit in my brain right now. She just graduated fifth grade. It's a big deal. That is a big deal. It's a big deal, as you know, middle school, you know.

Yeah, I used to teach fifth grade. There you go. It's such a good year. God bless you. Anyway, first crush. I think first like real girlfriend, like I felt like was my girlfriend was in a, from when we were in church. we actually kind of dated sisters at one point i never dated that Lauren yeah never got there

never got okay well i dated her sister um and she yeah it was it was definitely like early like definitely into see a girl fall in love right away thinking you're gonna marry them at 15 but that didn't happen yeah but like you know back and forth on and off again the entire high school like years actually which is pretty crazy we were born born a day apart. Just as an aside, did you end up graduating high school? Yes, I did graduate. You mean like in a school or you mean just in general?

In a school? Oh, well, kind of. We're homeschooled. We're homeschooled. So junior year, I left like traditional, like, middle. It's not a true question. I thought you were asking me, like, do you have a high school diploma? Like, did I actually graduate high school?

I was like, arrested. I thought you were asking if I graduated high school, like, bachelor. I just see, like, visualize Canada's middle school principal, burst in a door. She was in handcuffs. Yeah, she's put on her middle school. Just because he said they were on and off through high school, so I was curious. Yes, at high school.

I associate that until I got my license because at 17, I was a junior, but I left our Eastern Christian high school in New Jersey and went to a homeschool program. But I was on, I was in AP courses through high school. So once I got to the homeschool program, I was pretty much done, except for two years of Bible. So whatever school my parents picked knew that I could be done pretty quickly. So I spent about a month and a half of just ripping through two years of that.

And then I graduated the Old New Testament, no big deal. Exactly. And I pretty much graduated when I got my license at 17. So just so you guys know, I'm in a similar boat. And again, they've had such normal lives when it comes. A lot of their lives is not. But when it comes to their academic, they're just like, So did you finish high school, my love?

Are you, oh, I don't know. There's no judgment. Yeah. I do have a diploma. I don't know where it is or where of what school is from, but it's somewhere. I like that. I did the proficiency test. Next oldest.

Tell us about your sort of first infaturation for a break. Her name is Becca. We can't believe her out. Becca Idao, shout out. And she was the police chief's daughter that let us rent that home. Oh, wow. That family just kept in you a solid. Or watched me in every movie made.

The four ring cameras, so it was good. And, yeah, big crush on her. And I was going to, like, you know, early age, helpless romantic, started listening to a lot of, like, the word time earlier, Copeland, emo pop music, there's a band called Copeland. Look them up, they're great. And I was going to show up, and at this point I'm homeschooled. And I was going to show up.

My big plan was to show up to her school that I used to go to school at Eastern Christian with roses on Valentine's Day and ask her to be my girlfriend. It's going to be like the next step. And her sister, I guess, called Kevin to tell me not to do that. That's right. Oh, she found out that you were going to do that. And that we'd be better as friends. And then I cried in my room and listened to the whole album, this Copeland album,

which encouraged me. I was like, I'm going to write songs now. For real. I was like, I'm going to write sad music like this. I want to do what these guys are doing. So there was a little happy outcome to it. Thank you, Becca. Yeah, but that was my first crush and first heartbreak.

Oh. I like you, Nick. My first crush was kind of a two-part deal here. It's kind of embarrassing, but I was doing a show called A Christmas Carol, my first show, technically off Broadway, but I was around people who loved to sing and dance and tell stories for the first time and I really felt like I belonged in this community

and specifically one of my castmates named Lily but I also I had a crush on the child Wrangler Oh for those who's going to work in the business So basically they're chaperones

because the parents can't be there on site for the production, right? So if you drop your kids off they go and do their job and there are adults there to oversee both their school work and also just to make sure that they don't die on set. And yeah, so I was really concerned, though, this is at eight years old, you know, that Lily, my, you know, co-actor and the child wrangler

would know that I had a crush on them one of them. So I just had to keep cool, you know, I couldn't let them... Imagine yourself in a love triangle. Yeah, exactly, at eight. It was very, very sweet. First heartbreak You know I think

Yeah probably around 11 or 12 It's not a fantastic story But just another school crush Or something that didn't materialize Probably because I was I was seen as sort of weird Because I like to go and sing songs

And tell stories to us But similar to Joe's story It sort of like forced me to music As a way of being able to process My very big feelings at like 10 or 11 and I'm really grateful for that outlet because it has turned out to be a good one. You know, you just said something that jogged my memory.

Like you, I feel like I think all three of you, at least two of you, have said in interviews just along the way when you began performing, or at least I know that you said it about acting or at least being on stage, Nick, that it was the first time that you felt like a part of, like accepted, a part of, a part of something. And I really do feel you there. A lot of performers feel the same way.

At the same time, it's interesting because, you know, you guys were, you were like, as you're also saying, the doc, sort of the first family of the church where your dad was a pastor. And you were, it sounds like you were very much a part of a community. And it sounds like it was a real community, you know. And so I'm curious, like, if there were, like, pressures of being in that position within that community that, I don't know, like, would later mirror the stardom you would enter and just this thing about feeling accepted, this thing, you know what I mean? Absolutely. And I think it wasn't very much a mirror a little bit. And Joe kind touched on it a little bit, like not enjoying the moments that we were celebrating or things like that. Because I think one for sure was that everyone's watching, right? And how you are perceived, or at least this is my version of that, right? This is Kevin for all those listening.

Sitting in the front row of that church, being all eyes on you and having to behave and having to be a certain way and playing guitar on stage. Like I remember my dad, you know, cutting my teeth with my dad in eighth grade, going to Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, Kualampur, like flying there, performing, you know, worship songs and music with him. his music there while I was playing guitar So you were already fine, that's interesting I didn't quite gather all that That was like church music was my dad Like his music was, you know

He would go visit churches and play You know for like three weeks And I went to some amazing places with him And did that But I yawned on stage Because you know 12 hour difference And he then I was on the screen or whatever behind And he literally said to me after he was like

Great job but never yawn again on stage And I like will There are times where like up and talk about it. Come on, Kevin, just senior. No, and I will say, like, at first I was, like, traumatized. Like, oh, my God, did I mess up? I messed up.

You're not traumatized at all now, right? Yeah, but now, like, it's pretty funny. God's still mad at you for doing that. I'll be, like, listening to them doing their show, and I'll be wanting to yawn, and, you know, no, I'm just kidding. And, like, I'll be wanting to yawn on stage and just, like, doing everything in my power to, like, do not yon. Surprise.

I'm just, you see somebody yawn, it happens sometimes. I'm just saying it happens. I'm just, who knows. but it's more or less about yawning more than it's about always being excellent right and I think that that maybe is what you're asking kind of like how we've perceived in like the public eye and how we let things affect us and definitely myself

and it was hard like at the time being it was hard being the firstborn but it was just me going through things first sure sure well and then I guess there's also you know look the adolescence is a time life is a time where we're all struggling to feel accepted like no I mean You learn that in marriage. You're like, oh, I thought I felt accepted everywhere. But, like, I realize there's parts of me that I don't accept

because my partner is reflecting that back to me. You know, all that stuff. Marithood, I mean, I mean, how old are your kids right now? Four and two. Four and two. You have a three and a half year old, and you have a 12? I have an 11 and 8. So I fight with myself every day.

Right. So you guys know exactly what I'm saying. I'm just, you know, I'm just, and maybe my lovely co-hosts can help me throughout a question here, but I'm just thinking about coming of age in the public eye, it's something the, it's a topic well tread, but you guys also seem like super well adjusted, all that considered. I do have a question, maybe this will fast forward us a little bit, but I was, I did listen to your episode with Dax, Armtrakspurt, great episode. And as you guys get into the breakup,

I thought it was interesting thinking about like how each of you felt like some, maybe one of you felt underappreciated, maybe one of you felt like things were being taken too seriously, maybe one of you felt like you were working too hard. I was like, oh, those dynamics are so familiar. Like, I've certainly felt that in different group settings. And so I'm just curious like as... Yeah, like, which does Mava feel in this

dynamic? But yeah, I was just curious, like, as you're coming of age, your brothers, you're each on your own path, you're also in this collective group, you're struggling with feelings that at some point, you know, do lead to breaking up. How is that all coming to the surface as you're going through your

career. I guess it wasn't coming to the surface yet. I think we were really good at not talking about things because we didn't really have the time too. The meteoric rise was so intense and it was so busy and we weren't really armed with tools yet to be able to communicate when there was issues or when we felt a certain way. So when you combine the pressure cooker of just time with the fact that we had no tools and that's nobody's fault you know it's we've had a lot of conversations I think we each have with our parents

about like what a great job they did and I truly believe that and especially as a parent now I can't imagine some of the decisions they had to make and some of the instincts they had that helped us sort of turn out somewhat normal but once you get you know past

once that bubble bursts and you're not an adolescent and innocence is kind of gone, you're left on your own a little bit to tread water and figure out how to make sense of communication and family and this other dynamic, which is the fact that we work together. So I think it took us saying,

we kind of have to blow this up to be able to put it back together. And I think there was at different points fear that it wouldn't get put back together perfectly. We weren't even imagining that we would get the band back together. I'm just talking relationally. But I think it was never as toxic or as

you know sort of wrong word here but like violent in the conversation in the breakup. It was actually an understanding like this is painful and this sucks and we all have to figure out what the hell we're going to do now but

you know sometimes ripping that bandit is better than the alternative. I don't know. How do you guys feel? I wasn't listening. You were suppressing a moment. Took it as a moment, just take a break.

That was my opportunity to check out. No, just kidding. I think there, I was really taken back about your comment question, but because it is true, like even just growing up trying to figure out who you are, somebody said this, is like

to me recently, like you were trying to figure out who you are where the world all assumed you are are very confidently knowing the path that you're on. Whether if it's like, for us, I guess call it famously, we were known for like purity rings, which were something in the community of the church where that was like what everybody else in our age

we're doing around 10, 11 years old, was like, we're going to wait for the right person. But one person on an interview when you're 15, 16, ask you about it, and you're like, I don't want to talk about this. And then they're like, well, I'm going to write that you guys are in a cult. and we're like, well, we'll talk about 10-year-olds for waiting. Yeah.

That's awesome. Or what about asking a 10-year-old? I wasn't 10-year-old, but I did, I don't want to interrupt you, but to the point you just made, which is so real, is like, think about how far we've come in just the conversation and dialogue, and I think it's really a good thing, where it would be like so outside of the realm of possibilities or something someone would do to ask at that time a 14-year-old about their sex life.

Every interview. It wasn't just us. It was a whole class of young people coming up. It's so gross. It's almost pedophilic to think about it. Or even asking us why we're not having sex. I'm like, uh-huh. And you don't, and I didn't, of course, have that

because by the time I was getting that, I was more like 18, 19. But I do remember the first times I was doing press, you know, for like Cosmo Girl or something. It's like a dating column. And I was 17, and it's like a big deal to even be in an interview at this time. And I remember being asked about dating advice.

it's like and I remember feeling so much pressure to say something that sounded coherent and mature and adult and sexy and it's like I don't have a single thing to say or add here and the pressure you know I'm just that was tiny magnified on you guys

it's just like it's very similar I mean that's pretty much where we were at so figuring out and whether if it was sex it was even religion or Christianity questioning things that you for me like questioning if I believe in God what is God is there a god. And say it for Rolling Stone, please.

Yeah, exactly. And it's on the record, and you're like, uh, and so you felt the pressure, I can definitely speak for all three of us here, felt the pressure of being like, well, we have to live these lives because we kind of said it in a paper once. It's in print, so you've got to do it.

Whatever. Things used to be in print for our listeners. Yeah, exactly. You would go and buy them. So, yeah, it would obviously be scary and freak us out. Until we got to a point, we're just like, fuck this. And probably the time we're like, frick this

because we were like, we're like, we can figure out who we are on our own terms. And I think it honestly was that leap of faith that Nick took kind of saying, hey, I want to go do my own thing and experience what that was like on my own. And even though it was scary and kind of confusing, putting us in those situations, like, all right, some of us need to go live our life and generally just figure out what that is. And then maybe go experience whether it is music or acting or even just being alone. because we were always together doing music and as a family when we were old enough to be like living on our own we're still living together so yes and also yes and we always left too there's

this assumption and and it continues now which is it's totally understandable we we all do this in in different ways and don't realize it but like to that point about we did everything together all the time even now you know deeply in our 30s no in our 30s people assume we're together all the time. So I'll come up in the stream and like where's your brothers? I'm with my family. Like my daughter.

I'm like a firehouse and like I was speaking about like life changes once again kind of like it almost like I reverted right back to that moment when we left the church right and everything changed all at once

we were about to have our first you know child band breaks up going back to New Jersey building the house that I think I'm like cool and like I'm going to be like settled in this place we're going on tour and it's going to be fine

even financially like whatever well everything's up in the air now and life's changing completely and yeah it was it was a weird time like i really didn't know what to do you know i tried to be complacent about it i tried to be like okay well what's next and like what can i do and you know i think it was it's just difficult you know to really know in that moment where you were headed so i just focused on being at home which was great which was in a way the best thing that could have ever happened because I don't think I prioritized, looking back, I don't think I prioritized the amount of time I would really want to spend at home

having my first child, like knowing that I would like want significant amount of time at home. And so it actually was a blessing in disguise. Yeah, I mean, you guys were not, since you were coming of age, fused together in this way that in some ways reflects like, you know,

the integrity of your relationship, but it's also what the business business did the image thing you know your career the band it was you refused together in this way that i would imagine as a person who grew up in hollywood and then got on this big show when i was 20 when i got off of that show gossip girl for those listening you're not sure um i felt like kind of i was allowed to enter out of less i was certain parts of me that maybe weren't free to just you know do what one does when one is coming of age like i just kind of got to do that i'm curious if maybe in this period is that what you...

I mean, you still had the eye on you. You know, you still had, like, public gaze, but, like, did you feel like you could just sort of... Be? Yeah. In a way, I feel like the transition was just as much a part of, like, the transition out of, you know, what we were kind of doing together

and some of those expectations on us, you know, took just as much time to, like, find new things that sort of, like, create the public persona and then you have to privately create your real life person. Your dynamic 360 person, which isn't always the same

thing. And that's not to say that you're not authentic. But I'm sure as an actor, there are a lot of times where you're like, I'm becoming this other person, they're going to think of me in this way, but you as pen, you're a very different guy than the characters you've played. And to some degree, you know,

there were like archetypes of us created that we had to sort of deconstructed and reconstruct as adults, which I think when the band got back together, we were really able to do. And it wasn't just through like interviews and kind of showing who we are today, but really through the music.

And, you know, something like the documentary, which gave a lot more perspective and context. And the other thing about that I think was exciting for us is that some of the bias that was there early in our career because we were these like, you know, we were in the teen magazines. And, you know, young guys were jealous and were mean about it. And girls, you know, it had its own sort of thing.

And I think with age, you sort of let some of that go, that pettiness go. And there was a real warmth to hear the story and actually engage in, you know, kind of not just the music or a song, but actually who we are as people in a way that we hadn't felt before. For instance, like, we'd go to sporting events and get booed and it would, like, break our spirits. Oh, my God. Do you mean when you were just go? Yeah, like, as fans and they were, like, big cameras. And he's like, we're, you know, we're just like you. Like, we love this, this sports team or whatever.

But some of those bias just existed, and there's nothing you can do to control that. I can't imagine, I just want to take a second, like, I can't imagine being at any age, this age, but especially a teenager. And a stadium full of people booing me, like, what, how that would feel. I just, that's awful. Yeah, it certainly doesn't feel good. And I only bring that up not to be like, woe is me. but I think it's like maybe healthy context to get to like the other side, which is now when we got back together in 2019,

we were shocked. We went to a sporting event and like they cheered for us and people were like warmer towards us. And I think what that really stemmed from is that we were authentic about who we are as family and as brothers for the first time perhaps. We were awarded the chance to be authentic and real in a way that we hadn't previously.

And it was a really exciting and very liberating feeling. Well, congratulations on that, because that's not easy, by the way, for anybody, and then to do it in that fashion. Thank you. Stick around. We'll be right back. All right, so let's just real talk, as they say, for a second. That's a little bit of an aged thing to say now. That dates me, doesn't it? But no, real talk. How important is your health to you? You know, on like a one to ten? And I don't mean in the sense of vanity, I mean in the sense of like you want your day to go well, right?

You want to be less stressed. You don't want it as sick. When you have responsibilities, I know myself, I'm a householder. I have two children and two more on the way, a spouse, a pet, you know, a job that sometimes has its demands. So I really want to feel like when I'm not getting the sleep and I'm not getting nutrition, when my eating's down, I want to know that I'm being held down. some other way physically you know my family holds me down emotionally spiritually but I need something to hold me down physically right and so honestly I turned to symbiotica these these these these these vitamins and these beautiful little

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think mood and stress I sometimes use it in the morning sometimes use it at night all three of these things taste incredible honestly you don't even need to mix with water. And yeah, I just couldn't recommend them highly enough. If you want to try them out, go to symbiotica.com slash podcrushed for 20% off plus free shipping. That's symbiotica.com slash podcrushed for 20% off plus free shipping. I'm curious how you have been able to find ways, if you have been able to find ways to safeguard your relationship just as brothers. Like I think about working with friends, like even Nava, Penn and I,

Nava and David, my husband as a producer on the podcast, we went to grab coffee the other day and it's like inevitable we end, like it was just as friends, but we inevitably start talking about the podcast, about ratings and little bit of it. Talking the most shit about me, I'm sure. How can we get rid of letdown

Penn has been? Yeah. But it's just, it's inevitable and I'm curious how as brothers like in your coming back together and working together again, have you been able to find ways to just have time as brothers. Sure. Yeah, this is Joe. We still will find ourselves

just talking about work. I mean, it happens definitely. We love what we do too, right? So that's part of it. It's exciting to talk about. Or sometimes we just want to complain to each other about one of the other brothers or somebody we work with or just like vent through some stuff. But we do Franklin. I think, you know, Franklin.

We do, I think like being, look, we're all girl dads and that's probably one of our like the biggest pride and joy and that takes us that we have to take the work hat off and we just get to be present with each other and watch them around and run around and play. Because they don't care. Yeah, they don't care.

They're like, they're like, oh, that's cool. It's your song playing in this grocery store. But they don't, for them, it's like, they just want to go to a playground with each other or see their cousin. So that's like, that has been, I think, a huge win as a family for us and as brothers. And we do have similar favorite, like, hobbies.

And there's obviously teams that we like to support, sports teams and stuff. But we do try. try to like, we spend a lot of time together as well, like even off like a touring schedule. But usually after post-tore, we're like, okay, I need to not see you for about a week or two. I'm like, I'm good on that. How long is the tour these days? It depends.

I mean, we go, it's quite seasonal. So we're going to go on a tour for about three, four months starting in August. And then we'll be on another break for like a month or two. So depending if we go on like a Europe run. So it can go for a while. It's like a TV production or movie production, I guess, where it's a couple months. and it's full on. And so every day.

Every day we're seeing each other. But we also, I think at this point, being in our 30s, we know when we need space. We know, like, all right, I mean, I need to, like, not see you guys until showtime. Love you, but I need a little bit of a break. Well, it feels like that's a sustainable place to have it. Yeah, definitely.

And we do try to do things when we're on the road that are just, like, on the day off or something that's, like, fun, just like us, like, just to go, like, you know, do something outside the mix like simple as going to see a movie or going bowling or something brunch, you know, and just hang out.

Sorry, I don't want to I don't want to dwell on the breakup too long, but I do have just one question that I've been curious about for a while. In that time, obviously, Kevin, I think you did like married to Jonas with Danielle. Yeah. Nick, you're doing your solo stuff. You're also like venturing into film. And then Joe, you have

DNCE. So you all find a lot of success with that. are you like reaching out to one another? Do you share songs with each other? Like do you consult? Like how's the brother relationship at that time when you're when you're solo and things are really like popping off? During that time I think we probably all have a different answer for this. I think we we were supportive but probably not getting a, I think that was when it started to like only give advice when advice was asked for. Like we started to realize that like we wanted to go do our own thing and celebrate each other and not feel like it was competitive either. Like they all, were so different avenues

that it was nice to be able to go to a Nick show and not feel like jealous no pun intended of him this is Joe speaking by the way and to be watching him on stage or even Kevin having this beautiful home and starting a family and being like

there's a jealous side of that or envious side of that too and being like ah like these I'm not there it was nice to be able to celebrate them and be like wow I can see the joy in them and then also just like how me and Nick would end up like playing a lot of shows together. Like we would be built and so we'd be able to hang out in cities and be able to do our own

separate things and it still was nice to support. And so it was definitely strange, I mean, to not have them around all the time for, I think it was about six, seven years where we were doing our own thing. And then eventually being comfortable with that. And I think we were really terrified of even unpacking so much because we healed as family. or a lot of it was like let's just not talk about it so that was part of the healing process

like let's just move on and we're building these amazing memories and we can be supportive and like I respect who you are you respect me like we don't need to like be in that thing anymore and so to step back in

it was like all right well we're really going to talk about all that stuff and that to the documentary highlight was really selling this doc today it was like accidentally got it back together it was not

it was never like Joe's the last one on I was the last one on I was the last one of board because I was D&C the band that I guess I should say I'm in as well like we were doing our thing and we were writing the success

that we were like we're not stopping this is awesome I'm good I'm in this funk party band like I don't need to go back to the guys and it wasn't until we were in I think Cuba filming we went down to just like hang

and film some content stuff we were playing I think it was Lovebug one of our songs in like this apartment complex corridor and this like stairwell and we were it was been so long since we performed it that we're like kind of just fell back into singing harmonies together and it was like organic and I remember after that being like yeah like right after that's like I think I'm ready

to do this in some way but so yeah that kind of I guess answered your question long way to answer there I guess what I'm what I'm curious about is how this funnels into the way are there have there been any transformations in the way you approach material now you know like songwriting what you want to bring into it like again to me at least you know this new track Love Me to Heaven

like it to me is such a it's you can hear the growth you know you can hear you as men like and that's awesome you know that's a really cool thing I'm just curious

what you feel there yeah I think we looked at new music that we're creating and saying okay well how do we all we all have very different personal lives and that was always the kind of the ingredient

that we would use and throw it in the pot and say, okay, well, we're all similar, but that doesn't really make total sense anymore. So we ended up being kind of boring if the songs are only about, you know, things being good. We're all girl das and that's really good. Going on tour in August, come see us.

You know, Kevin likes to yawn on stage. Yeah, callback. It's a callback, joke. So we now, like, sometimes you have to put on, like, you're like a character hat and say, okay, well, like, let's put ourselves in a situation that might be, like, relatable, though something we've been through in the past.

And it is a bit celebratory, right? Like, it is 20 years of this, and we're celebrating. And, like, Loving Heaven is a bit, like, of a love letter to our fans, which sounds cliche, but it's true. Oh, now you can record. No, we just start. We've got to restart over there. 12 years old. Yeah, exactly.

Let's go back to first crush. I will start a speed run. I will say, first time we started writing again. and for The Happiness Begins album, coming into it kind of much more outside of the music scene. I've spent a lot more time doing, like you said, some reality TV stuff, just being at home with my family, and meeting them in the studio,

but having multiple rooms going at the same time, which was really kind of cool and different from me than I've ever written, we ever wrote together like that before. They were doing it that way, but I wasn't. And so to see them kind of doing that, having working with people that Joe loved working with, seeing people that Nick loved working with, and them, like, switching and kind of going together,

and different spaces. It was such a cool, organic weight of like kind of blending the two sounds that they had created that were so independent and so cool.

Your upcoming album is called Greetings from your hometown and you just previously talked about in this new music being able to feel like you've grown up

and the music has grown up with you. But you also talked in promoting this album you talked about how it's also a return to your roots. So I'm curious

if you could tell us about that. How is it a return to your roots? Both musically and also I think with some of the themes on the album we're talking about everything from

tables for instance which in a lot of ways is a song about people being very bold behind their laptops and kind of what they're saying and how difficult that would be if those tables turned around and they were met with some of the same criticism. That's one thing and then Love Me to Heaven

touches on a completely different thing. Joe mentions Love letter to the fans. It's also for me totally a song about my wife and my daughter and the love and beautiful things in my life and it covers a lot of ground but musically we were able to kind of dip into our early influences

that our dad raised us on we have one of those CD holders in our minivan with BG's number ones and Beatles number ones and Carol King Tapestry and Stevie Wonder greatest hits and he really took us to school musically And the BeeGs were always, to your point about singing brothers and harmonies,

were always a huge inspiration to us. And, you know, just the music that helped shape our sound. And about seven years ago, I was in Nashville doing some songwriting for our album called Happiness Begins. And I was working with this guy, Julian Benetta, who's an amazing songwriter and producer. And we started kind of jamming on this BG. sounding track and eventually the chorus melody became staying alive and we're like

we'll never get cleared. So for those that don't know if you want to use or interpolate a song you have to get it cleared by the artist or the publisher or the estate, whatever. And so we just kind of put it on a shelf and then we were shooting something at the end of last year and I was listening

to a bunch of music that's just in the vault songs that have been written years ago that never solve a light of day that I'm still like, I think this is good. should finish it and played it for him and they loved it and basically within a few weeks we had finished the song and sent it to

Barry Gibb and his team and he approved it and you know he had come to shows with his family down in Miami a few times so you know there was a real sense that it would be warm but who knows you know it's a legacy song and obviously legacy artist and yeah so

to get a collaboration basically with the Bee Gees on this album is pretty meaningful and full circle for us yeah And then, you know, one of the other things that I think we were all excited about in naming the album, Greetings from Your Hometown, is this notion that your hometown isn't always great. Your experiences, you know, we touched a lot on that today and feeling sort of pushed out and told that we don't belong. But there's also moments we've walked those same streets and looked around and gone, wow, this is the place that built us. This is a part of our DNA. and no matter what the exit was like

or what some of those negative experiences were, so much of this, this time that we spent here helped shape who we became and who would become. And I think that's true for anybody in their life. And one little extension to that is that, you know, we're fortunate enough to be blood, to be family. And we feel like our fans are an extension of that family. And if you come to a Jonas Brothers show,

you really feel that warmth and sense that they've chosen this family and it's an amazing thing to look out and see this now sort of generational effect parents who brought their kids when they're teenagers still want to come

with their now adult kids and those adult kids are bringing their kids. Wow, with three generations. Yeah, it's just a wild thing and it's cool to see. It sort of represents our family too. Our dad and my mom still come and sit now with our daughters and watch the show

and it's just a crazy feeling and yeah we're really fortunate just felt like it was the perfect title to encapsulate kind of all the thoughts It is such a good title I there's a track on the album called Can't Lose which I was thinking is such a good hype-up song

and Joe I know you released a song not too long ago called Honey Blonde which you had said is like you had written it for a perfect like a day city biking in perfect weather which I loved just that visual.

It's a great visual. It's a little sarcastic, but yes, it's true. Not like it. Oh, really? Maybe my game doesn't work. No, no, I'll go with you. Let's go. But I wanted to play a quick game

if you are all down. Sounds good. I want to go down the line, rapid fire, and give you each a scenario and I want you to tell me it can be a Jonas Brothers song, it can be not a Jonas Brothers song, what song you think

is perfectly written for that scenario. Cool. Are you down? I should do only Michael Bolton's songs. Oh, I love it. Oh, I like that. I used to challenge it.

They all have to be sweet for the record. I cannot do rapid fire, so. Yeah, I'm not very good at it. Either I'll do my best. Bring it on. Okay, okay. Joe's very good at this. Okay, we'll start with Joe.

Joe, Red Eye Flight. What's the perfect song? Oh, red eye flight. Just pull up the playlist right now. There's a full playlist for this. Oh, really? I don't know. High flights?

Yeah, yeah. I don't know exactly what you platform you use. There's a sleep playlist. I'm going to go to something like this. Anymore we can't afford it. Yeah, so essentially, a sleep playlist. I'd say if you're going to be on a red eye,

you're trying to sleep. You're sleeping on a red eye flight. Or a good podcast, maybe pod crushed. Yeah, okay. I've never heard of it. Kevin, a hype-up song. I'll go with I Can't Lose. She said it.

She said it. Nick. Yeah. Yes. We can attribute that to me. Nick, summertime drive with the windows down. Ooh, I'm going to go with the way you make me feel. Mm, that's good.

Yeah. Okay, one more for each of you. Michael. That's right, yeah. Joe, a sad song that makes you feel sad, but also good because of how sad it makes you feel. Mm. It's like every Pixar movie. Probably, um, the first 15 minutes.

Yes. Yeah. I sparks by Coldplay. Hmm. Okay. Kevin, a big romantic moment. Three by five, John Mayer. Interesting. Was that his first record? Yeah, Room for Squares.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind of like the one that, like, made me, like, want to understand. Has he been on the show? No, no. He didn't actually, he was never a 12-year-old, that's why. He was never 12. Yeah, that song, it's the first time I saw. The rules you must have been 12. He famously is in 12.

Yeah, true. Those were never 12 years old. Never 12 of those licks. That song is the one I was the one. was like, oh, understanding metaphor in song. It was like the first time in songwriting, it was like, it blew my mind. Whenever I think of that record,

I just think, sky blue gets dark enough. You know, just that in the end. He started it. Yeah, that's why it's in my head. Yeah, yeah. Okay, this is the last one. Nick, the end credits of your life. Oh, jeez.

I like it. The Hozier yell. Oh, yeah, yeah, good. What is that? Nice. All right, now I got three for you. One, two, three. Great.

Okay. Anybody can hop in and you really have to use the bathroom. And there's a really long line. Oh, I'd want something to really slow things down. I said it earlier and so my mind is on radio head. I'm just thinking like just play the moon-shaped pool record. It's like it's contemplative, but it's very engaging. So I'm just, if I got to wait, that's the one.

Right. It's a good call. Okay, for the school teachers in the house, you have a bunch of rambunctious kids, and you need to put your headphones on and listen to something that's going to just take you to a different place. Switchfoot Awakening. I love that song. Wow. Nice. Didn't they mention Switchfoot earlier? Yes, we did. Yeah. We have a song on the new album with Fishwood. The title track is called Greetings from Your Home Town with Switchfoot. Oh, I don't think we heard that one. Are there my chance anywhere near from where you're from? No. No. They're from San Diego, coast to coast.

But they were like our biggest influence. Right. Okay. I got one more. Let me do one more. Feel free to pitch in here. Yeah, it's just fine of lost. I know. Actually, I was making my husband come up with some scenarios yesterday

because I couldn't come up with the last one. And everyone he came up with, I was like, actually, you're not very good at this. What's your, okay, so you're like, it wouldn't be guilty pleasure because I don't think, I don't think guilty pleasure is really a thing anymore, but what's your, like, favorite, your song, you're like, you've, it's always top of your, you're like, you're wrapped, you're like, this always sneaks in, and it could be anything.

For me, it's Mr. Blue Sky by Eiloh. I just always will have that ready. It's always in the top ten somewhere. Well, my cake by the ocean is always in my, like, top three. I was fishing, just kidding, no, that's great. you know who always sneaks into my my rap is Olivia Rodriguez I think smart is great

which is the best yeah fantastic mine is the entire Brad Paisley fifth gear album I thought you're going to say like probably also Moana

oh well yeah now now it's a happy song by imagery I do not have a Spotify rap that makes sense anymore I actually started a different account so I could try We did that too Yeah we had to do that too Some autonomy I don't know if there's a question here

It's maybe just unabashed praise But maybe there's a question But I saw I loved the series songland Which I don't think is out anymore But you guys had an episode And I wasn't as I'm older than like your demo When you were younger So I wasn't as familiar with your work

And I didn't know what kind of band you were but when I saw that episode I think you guys had a song called I don't know why I'm saying I think Greenlight is one of my favorite songs I was to do it all times It's become like our family She's like I don't know maybe

It might have been called really We've never played it live once Do we? Oh my God it's amazing Anyway you guys produced on the spot Like I watched every episode of that show And I really I honestly texted people like Oh my God

I didn't know the Jonas brothers were like so brilliant Like such brilliant producers I at that time didn't know you were so hands on your music and I felt like that episode really stood out. That show was great. Yeah, I love.

Ryan's header did a great job on that. Yeah. But anyway, Greenlight Amazing. Thank you. Thank you. So, creatively involved in your music, it was really revealing to see that. That's cool.

Yeah. Thanks. So we want to respect your time. So we have a classic last question. Wait, wait. I have one more question before you get to that one. You guys did a roast, and I can't imagine ever subjecting myself to that.

So I'm curious. It's a good idea. Why? Why did you do it? And which joke hit each of you the hardest? So oddly, we had a perfectly, I shouldn't say, oddly, we had a perfectly planned holiday break after that work-wise. So we didn't see each other for a week,

which was like kind of good, I think. But we were approached by Netflix and they were like, hey, would you guys want to do a roast? And we're like, yeah, let's do it. We pretty much got everything else. So let's do it. But then once we started getting into the writer's room for doing it, we're like, yeah, I don't know.

When I go there, and they're like, I don't know why people are like, Well, somebody made this joke before. I'm like, but then coming from my mouth is different. Yeah. If I'm saying that, this is Joe again. If I'm saying that to Kevin or Nick, and I'm like, I just, there was a kind of a code of conduct behind the scenes of being like, hey, this is off limits. Like, you can make fun of that, but I don't want to be talking about.

I don't, like, don't make fun of this. Like, whatever. Like, don't make fun of something that I can't, it's out of my control. And so that was kind of known But the one that I think I can't really think of one that like hurt the most Or like got me the most But let's try to find it and bring it back up here

Yeah Well it's gonna be hurt It's like hit the hardest Like could have been your favorite Just one that yeah I think the There's a comedian from Oh it's his name from England

That he came up with that he was so funny Yeah Why I'm playing on his name White Hall Yeah Jack Whitehall He's hilarious If you don't know his work, you should talk him out. He's so funny.

And he, he, like, did the brilliant... Pete Davidson was really funny, too, but he did the brilliant thing of, like, as a comedian, he was coming into a situation where the audience wasn't too familiar with his work. So he pretended to be an obsessed fan. I like that. And it just came off creepy and funny,

and the things he would bring up, even though they were cringy to us, he was like, no, I'll tell you why this is cool. And so that, I think it was like... It was very clever. It was a very clever comedy. Oh, that's cool. That, to me, I think, stood out.

He was a standout, and Pete Davidson came in for, like, five minutes and crushed it. I think he was kind of defend Kevin the whole time. That's great. I love it so much. That just sounds good. I kind of... It was pretty funny. There was moments that were good, and there was even stuff that never made it because it was so bad.

Yeah. Well, honestly, half off to you guys being willing to do that, because I think there's something in comedy where I... I don't know about those roasts anymore, to be honest. I don't know. I don't know. I feel like... So if you're comedian, I suppose fine, because you've entered into that pact with the relationship to the world and your career. And I think often comedians have a lot more agents.

Well, no, they do. I mean, they just do. They can get away with a lot more. They have more agency. Also, just in the way they start it. It's a different, comedians are their own thing. I don't know about. So anyway.

Yeah, I agree. It was like weird. I felt like I was doing something wrong all the time there. Yeah, yeah. It's like felt weird. Yeah, it's a lot about me. but it also says a lot about comedians no I'm kidding

Nick how did you feel about the rest you know I think it was a great exercise in being able to laugh at yourself I don't think I would ever want to do it again yeah it's the real

I mean it's kind of like they asked us who we want to roast next and we're like no one yeah I just don't want to do this it's not that it was a negative experience by any means and I think actually as an actor you know

it better prepared me to be like more free and have more fun and not take myself so seriously than I realized but you know there's just things that you just like man that's that's that funny to you

it's like you're still laughing so if you think it's funny then that means you think it's true yeah exactly yeah it's a strange thing I swear I'm going to let you go to the last question but I want to ask one more thing about your album. Is there one song? Jack Whitehall over here. I love it.

Ever since Greenlight. What song from your new album do you each connect with the most? Yeah, that's a good one. Sure. This is Joe. I was a song called When You Know. It's featured on our live album that came out a couple months ago as well. And yeah, I don't know if there was a why there, but it's, I think it's a beautiful song about knowing when to stay, know when to go, heartache, heartbreak, healing. It's a beautiful song that came out of a writing camp that we did in Miami. And some of our favorite people were there that we've worked with over the years. Actually, Justin Traynor, who I wrote Cake by the Ocean with, was a part of that song.

And Alexander 23, who I worked on, we worked on this new album, and he worked on a bunch of my solo album that came out recently. And blush. Blush, yeah. Yeah, so there's... That's my favorite song, too, to be honest. Probably one of my favorites I've ever been a part of writing. It's...

Wow. I'm really excited for the world to hear it and I didn't mean to interrupt you sorry but you stole my answer so it's Nick talking I'll say something different but mirror to this guy is like one of my favorites I honestly forget what's on the album

now I forgot that song was on the album too so yeah it just makes me feel like I'm 16 again sitting on our bed listening to music for the first time we had separate beds by the way I said my bed you said our bed In our bed.

Think of the proverbial way. In our bedroom. My bed in our bedroom. So actually that's a perfect segue back to our classic last question. And we'll just sort of, maybe we'll start with youngest this time, Nick. If you could go back to 12-year-old Nick, what would you say or do, if anything? I would say, take a deep breath. start therapy now.

Also, you have diabetes just to... Also, you're about to get diabetes. Actually, that is what I'm going out. Do a physical. Do a physical. Yeah, but just to take some of the pressure off myself. I, um, yeah, I feel like I lost like so many great moments because I was,

I was anxious and I was dealing with things I didn't realize it. And also I think that, you know, I'm sort of on the borderline age-wise of like when it became okay and in culture to talk about therapy and like, you know, mental health. And I'm glad that I'm like, I'm right there because these two are so messed up. But yeah, I think it's come a long way and it's great to see because I'm sure there's a 12 or 13-year-old kid. like gearing up to go on some crazy life journey like we had who is probably going to be better prepared because they're going to have some tools to kind of work through it.

But that's what I would say. Thank you. This is Joe, a little child here. I'm assuming I'm next. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I would probably tell him all the little quirks and funny things

that you think are embarrassing. You keep in hiding. You're going to be celebrated one day for those things and people are going to think those are so cool. and they're all going to come back around I would say hold on to those Pokemon cards my friend one day

you never know he knows what's going to happen yeah and then I think probably you know you're doing great you're like good for you and I think the idea is that you're going to you know that when so many different journeys

through my life thus far and learn something from each of them and you know I think really protect a relationship with your brothers as best as you can treasure those memories Treasure those memories that you don't even know that you're making. I mean, there's so many amazing times when we were 12 or whatever age,

riding our bikes all day long, playing outside, having each other. And then sometimes rolling your eyes like, I'll show we could hang out with other people. It's like really treasure that. Love it. I think I would tell myself that some kids picked a keychain instead of a purity ring and maybe do that. same commitment

less of a broadcast maybe that but at the same time I would say just don't forget that the people around you will always be with you for the rest of your life

to treat them with kindness and like everyone that we work with is still working with us that's cool that's a testament just something there's that one guy yeah well can't win them all

you know we ask that question to every guess and we get often repetitive answers but you each gave an answer we've never gotten before. Nice. Thank you. It was so nice to meet you. Thank you for coming on.

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amongst your many huge fans, there is an 81-year-old man, my father, who Cake by the Ocean is one of his all-time favorite songs. Oh, wow. And he makes me put it on every playlist we go on road trips together every playlist so it's always on my like most repeated songs always there's like never

thank him for me that's so cool his name is Tommy yeah Tommy and he's always like Joe is a genius DNCE is a genius that's one of the best songs of all time I also just want to say that this is a man of like I think of like refined taste he's like he's from another era

he's like a presenter and a perform and feels like from another era that's so cool that's a huge compliment thank him for me and thank you I appreciate of Tommy. Shout out to Tommy. Tommy, Tommy.