Predictive History - The Story of "Civilization", "Secret History", "Game Theory" and more - Civilization #3: The Religious Imagination

Episode Date: October 7, 2025

Civilization #3: The Religious Imagination ...

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Starting point is 00:00:01 Okay, so I want to summarize and review what we have learned so far. So the main message is that for most of human history, we have been peaceful, egalitarian, and artistic. So about 300,000 years ago, our species, Homo sapiens, we were born in Africa. And then 50,000 years ago, because of climate change, we started to spread around the world. And throughout most of our history, we have been hunter-gatherers. And we don't know that much about our history. We can only guess. But based on the available archaeological evidence, we have.
Starting point is 00:01:00 we were for most of the time peaceful egalitarian and artistic okay so peaceful does not mean we were not violent there's lots of evidence that there was in-group conflict so for example we discovered in burials people with skull fractures okay so there's been violence but there's been no evidence of organized warfare. That comes much later. Okay? That's the first thing. Second thing is that we were egalitarian, meaning that there was no difference in status and power between men and women. Men and women were considered equal. There was no hierarchy, meaning that there were people who were considered more wealthy than other people. We know because
Starting point is 00:02:00 we could not find any evidence of hierarchy, meaning larger houses, meaning groups of special privileges. Now, there are individuals who might have higher status, and we know because they were buried more elaborately than other people. So, for example, shamans, right? Shaman's were their religious leaders, and as such, they were courted higher status than everyone else. Okay? The third thing is artistic. So as we know, they were engaged in cave paintings. They built monuments in order to celebrate and worship their religion. So for them, art really was about the expression and celebration of their religion. Okay? So for most of human history, we were peaceful, egalitarian, and artistic. And we know that today we are not. peaceful. We are not egalitarian, we are not that artistic. So what changed? Next week, I'll explain to you what changed. Basically, a new group of people called the Yamaya came into being and they had a different religion that celebrated warfare, patriarchy, and wealth. And eventually spread all around Europe and Asia and they conquered everyone and they created a new history of
Starting point is 00:03:30 humanity that's next week okay so I want to explain the evidence for why we think most of human history we were peaceful egalitarian and artistic okay so something else that we discussed in class is we don't know what their religion was but we suspect that it was animism and shamanism okay remember that animism is to believe that we all come from the mother goddess, from one source of life, including trees, animals, and humans. So every living being has a soul. And the other thing is that the soul is permanent. You can't ever kill it. The body and the soul are different. So it doesn't really matter if you die because your soul will go somewhere else and maybe come back. Okay, so death was not a big deal.
Starting point is 00:04:36 And the third thing is that there's a spirit world or another world, which is more real than our world, okay? Our world is just a manifestation, a physical manifestation of the spirit world. But what matters is a spirit world. And the last thing is that there's an order to the universe. We have a part to play. So, for example, we can kill animals to feed ourselves, but we must pay tribute to these animals before and after we kill them in order to maintain the harmony of the universe. Okay?
Starting point is 00:05:17 So that's what we believe the religion of early humans were everywhere in the world, including in China, including in Europe. This is Coppete, and you can see that this is a Tee pillar, and it's meant to represent a human. And inside the T pillar is an animal. So basically the T-pillar represents the manifestation of the animal spirit in us. And we believe that this is a religious festival that they would have before they went hunting. The evidence for this is that at this site we found a lot of animal wolves. Okay?
Starting point is 00:06:05 So does that make sense, guys? All right. So again, this is all just review. This religion goes back a long time, okay? So this is 40,000 years ago. We found this small figurine, okay? It's a very small figurine in a cave in Germany. And this dates back to 40,000 years ago.
Starting point is 00:06:29 So remember 50,000 years ago, we started to leave Africa and venture into Europe and around the world. So this goes back to the beginning, the dawn of humanity. This is a flute. Okay, that goes back to the same time. So at the beginning of humanity, we were religious, we celebrated our religion through music and for art and for shamanism.
Starting point is 00:06:57 Does that make sense, guys? Yes? It's a figurine, it's a doll. Okay, so they believe that these dolls have religious qualities, right? Okay, does that make sense? It's like paintings. Okay?
Starting point is 00:07:21 So remember, like they also have these cave paintings where the celebrating the Mother God is, and they're settling with the fact that life is a circle. After you kill the animals, their soul goes back into the spirit world and then through proper tribute and worship, you can bring them back into this world, okay? Okay. shaman dressed as an animal. Okay? So another question then is, okay, if you cannot go back in time and observe the religion, how do we know what the religion is?
Starting point is 00:08:04 And the answer is we have a field of study called anthropology, okay? Anthropology. Anthropology is a study of other cultures. And if our theory is right, then we should be able to find other cultures that are still alive today that practice this religion. And what we've discovered is that if you go to places in the jungle in South America and in Africa, in Australia, they do practice this religion. Okay? So understanding the religion gives us tremendous insight into the thinking and religion of early humans. And that's what we'll do today, okay?
Starting point is 00:08:54 To truly understand what early humans thought and how they understood the world. Does that make sense, guys? All right. So the first passage we're going to look at is from a book called The Wayfinders. by Wade Davis, okay? This is a great book. If you ever have a chance, please read this book, okay? It's extremely well written.
Starting point is 00:09:20 Wade Davis, he's an anthropologist, Canadian, and this recently came out, okay? So he spent a lot of time traveling around the world to explore and to understand indigenous peoples, people who are native to a land, and they've been there for a long, long time. So this is what he says about a tribe in the Amazon Forest, okay?
Starting point is 00:09:44 In the beginning, before the creation of seasons, before the ancestral mother, Romykou, woman shaman, opened her womb before her blood and breast milk gave rise to rivers and her ribs to the mountain ridges off the world, there was only chaos in the universe. Spirits and demons known as He, prayed on their own kindred, bread without thought, committed incest by consequence, devoured their own young. Roman Kumu responded by destroying the world with fire and floods. Then, just as a mother turns over a warm slab of maniac bread on the griddle, she turned the inundated and charred world upside down, creating a flat and... empty template from which life could emerge once again. As woman shaman, she then gave birth to a new world, land, water, forests, and animals.
Starting point is 00:10:51 Okay? So this is what we call a creation myth. And every single civilization, every single people have a creation myth. So let me ask you this question, okay? Why? Why do you need a creation myth? What's this creation? myth doing? What does it explain? Okay, how the world forms, okay? But it doesn't be much more important than that, which is what? See me? Who are we? Where we come from? Yes. But it's something, yes, it explains all that. Who we are, where we come from, okay? That's
Starting point is 00:11:33 what all creation myths do. What else is this myth doing? Which is very important for us. To me? Okay, so it's telling us how the universe was formed, okay? What is in here that's very important and which is important for society to function well? So the woman shaman is the mother goddess. But what's in this paragraph that's very important in order for society to function? What do you need for society to function? You need rules and laws, right? So what this creation myth is doing, what all creation myths is doing is
Starting point is 00:12:25 building, explaining to you the legal structure of your society. society, why you can't do certain things. Okay? So for example, you can't commit incest, okay? You can't eat your young people. You can't kill the young people, okay? Why? Because that's what evil people do.
Starting point is 00:12:46 You understand? So what this Christian myth is doing is it's basically explaining the legal system, the rules, and why we have them. We have these rules because they're evil. represent the evil spirit. Does that make sense, guys? Okay. The other thing that you will notice about this creation myth
Starting point is 00:13:10 is that it's very sophisticated and very elaborate. Okay? So this is a visualization of their understanding of creation. As you can understand, it's very complicated, okay? Does that make sense? Why is it complicated? Why is it complicated? Why is this so complicated?
Starting point is 00:13:37 There are reasons for it. Why? Okay, so one thing that you will learn in this class is that what's really important is for you to believe that your religion is correct, okay? It is just correct at science. And what makes people believe that your religion is correct? You have to accomplish three things, okay? The first is grandness, meaning that it is huge, okay? It's vast.
Starting point is 00:14:17 And as you can see, this is a vast religion, a vast cosmology, of how things started. So grandness is very important. Then you need completeness. And the idea of completeness is that everything that you see in the world must be explained in this cosmology. So what this is doing is explaining to you how everything started, okay, where everything comes from. completeness is important.
Starting point is 00:14:50 The last thing is unity, meaning that there's a beginning and there's an end. As you can see, there's a beginning, and then there's an end. So this is something that we will learn in this class as we explore other religions, including Judaism and Christianity, where for religion to be powerful,
Starting point is 00:15:10 for it to be authoritative, you need these three ideas, grandness, completeness, and unity. Does that make sure? all right let's keep let's keep on going all right so thus for the people living today in the forest of the para parana okay this is the Amazon forest the entire natural world is saturated with meaning and cosmological significance okay they feel that everything around them has life and it's all connected it's one
Starting point is 00:15:48 unified whole okay Every rock and waterfall embodies a story. Plants and animals are but distinct physical manifestations of the same essential spiritual essence. We all come from the woman shaman, we all come from the mother goddess. Therefore, we all have the spark of life in us. And therefore we must be respected, okay? The plants and the animals all must be respected as much as we are respected. At the same time, effing is more than it appears.
Starting point is 00:16:22 For the visible world, it's only one level of perception. Behind every tangible form, tangible means concrete, physical, okay? Every planet animal is a shadow dimension, a place invisible to ordinary people, but visible to the shaman. So in other words, our world is a world we can see. But there are other worlds, the shadow dimension, which is more. real which captures our essence where the soul resides okay that's more real and it's a job of the shaman to see and communicate with this world this is a realm of the He spirits a world of deified ancestors where rocks and rivers are alive plants and
Starting point is 00:17:11 animals are human beings sap and blood the bodily fluids of the primary river of the Anacana hidden in cataracta behind the physical veil of waterfalls, in the very center of stones are the great malacques of the He spirit where everything is beautiful. The shining feathers, the coca, the calabash of tobacco powder, which is in itself the skull and brain of the sun. Okay? Now, reading this,
Starting point is 00:17:43 what can we say about their religion? What can we say about their religion? that would be surprising to you. Okay, first of all, it's very imaginative, right? It's very imaginative. They have a vivid imagination, okay? The other thing is that it's extremely sophisticated and complex. So one major prejudice that we might have all these people is,
Starting point is 00:18:25 well, they don't drive cars, they don't have cell phones, therefore they must be stupid. But clearly, clearly from our understanding of their religious beliefs, they're actually extremely imaginative and extremely sophisticated. Does that make sense, guys? All right. So this is their shamans in religious practice. Okay? What can we say about this picture? What stands out about this picture? What surprises your, what catches your eye about them? What can we say about their beliefs based on this picture?
Starting point is 00:19:18 Okay, yeah. So there's a lot of, there's a lot of thought put into what they wear, right? Okay, so again, sophistication. Their clothing, the way they dress, suggests that this is a very sophisticated religion, okay? It's not like they just put on anything. It seems they put a lot of care and thought into what they wear. Okay? That's the first thing.
Starting point is 00:19:55 What's the other thing? What's the other thing? Do you mean? Well, there aren't that many of them. There's three of them. But what do you notice about the way they look in their bodies and the way they stand in relation to each other? What do you notice?
Starting point is 00:20:19 Yeah? Okay. Yeah. I mean, he probably has a higher status, okay? and he stands in the middle okay what else should me okay so um look so you're right in like okay if this is a tribe and all they're trying to do is hunt and eat food none of this makes any sense right but the main argument that i've been trying to tell you is like no their first priority is their religion okay so everything they do has a religious significance to it we don't know what it
Starting point is 00:21:12 is they don't really speak our language but for them everything that they do must have a religious meaning okay so it's a religion that centers their life so the other thing I would say is you can see there's some organization in order to it right so as you say the person the elder stands in the middle okay and these two can you see the symmetry okay It's clear that they are doing a religious ceremony. And because of this religious ceremony requires their bodies to be a certain way in relation to each other.
Starting point is 00:21:52 It requires them to dress a certain way. It requires them to say certain things, okay? Clearly they are in prayer of some sort. We call this the idea of ritual. Ritual is just the expression of religion in everyday practice. In other words, their lives are extremely ritualized, meaning what they do every second has a religious meaning and religious significance. Okay?
Starting point is 00:22:28 Does that make sense to you guys? So for example, you come to school and you think your life is very ordered, right? Because maybe at 8 o'clock you start class. And then when class starts, the teacher takes attendance. okay that's all ritual and then at 845 the bell rings and then you go off and get some water or somewhere okay if you want to go to the restroom you have to raise your hand this is all what we're called ritual so your lives are extremely ritualized and the thing about ritual is behind the ritual there has to be a belief system okay so for us the school we believe the system is set up
Starting point is 00:23:13 so that you learn how to do well in life, right? You learn how to be on time. You learn how to respect authority. You learn how to read books, okay? So this society is exactly the same way where every minute of their lives, there's order and structure to what they do that has meaning and purpose.
Starting point is 00:23:41 Does that make sense, guys? Okay, so let's talk about their ritual, okay? Is to the realm of the He spirit that the shaman goes in ritual. So the shaman is responsible for entering the world of the demons and negotiating and communicating with them, okay? That's his role. That's why he has his power and authority. Contrary to popular lore in the West, the shaman of the Barrazzana never uses,
Starting point is 00:24:17 or manipulates medicinal plants. His duty and sacred paths is to move in the timeless realm of the He, embrace the primordial powers, and harness, and restore the energy of all creation. He is like a modern engineer who enters the depths of a nuclear reactor to renew the entire cosmic order. Okay? So, if, for example, plants are dying outside, what does this mean? If plants are dying outside, what does this mean?
Starting point is 00:24:56 The animals and plants are dying, how can we fix the problem? Why are bad things happening? Bad things are happening because the spirits are unhappy, right? Does that make sense? So therefore, you must go into the spirit world and understand. why the spirits aren't unhappy and fix it okay and that's the role the shaman and what this is saying is this what this is the saying is that our world doesn't matter guys okay our world is insignificant what matters is the spirit world
Starting point is 00:25:46 because the spirit world is what controls everything okay doesn't make sense guys okay among the Barasana such renewal is a fundamental obligation of the living. In practice, this implies that the barisana see the earth as potent, the force as being alive with spiritual beings and ancestral powers. To live off the land is to embrace both its creative and destructive potential. Human beings, plants, and animals share the same cosmic origins and a profound sense are seen as essentially identical, responsive the same principles, obligated by the same duties, responsible for the collective well-being of creation.
Starting point is 00:26:34 There is no separation between nature and culture. Without the forests and the rivers, humans would perish. Without people, the natural world would have no order or meaning. All would be chaos. Dozen norms that drive social behavior would have no order or meaning. sorry, would also define the manner in which human beings interact with a wild, the plants and animals, the multiple phenomenon of the natural world, lightning and thunder, the sun and the moon, the scent of a blossom, the sow order of death, okay? So everything is connected with each other, we're all equals.
Starting point is 00:27:14 Does that make sense, guys? All right? This is what we call it animism. All right, so let's talk about hunting, okay? This is something that we talk about. last class if we are the same if we're if we are the same as animals and plants what allows us what gives us permission to kill other animals okay and this passage explains it when men go to the forest to hunt or fish it is never a trivial passage you you cannot just go and hunt okay you need permission first the shaman must travel in trance to negotiate with the masters of the animals forging a mystical contract
Starting point is 00:27:57 with the spirit guardians and exchange based always on reciprocity okay reciprocity means give and take by give you a present you must give me a present okay the brassorana compared to marriage for hunting too is a form of courtship in which one seeks the blessings of a greater authority for the honor of taking into one's family a precious being meat is not the right of a hunter but a gift from the spirit world. To kill about permission is to risk death by a spirit guardian, be it in the form of a jaguar
Starting point is 00:28:36 and a kona, tapar, or harpy eagle. Okay? It's something that we discussed in the cave paintings. Why did they spend so much time painting these animals? And we said it's because they're trying to pay tribute to the animals, right? If I kill you, I must thank you for taking your meat to replant
Starting point is 00:28:57 I should vanish myself, but I also must ask for your forgiveness. Otherwise, the animal soul may seek vengeance. Does that make sense? So this is the essence of the religion. If we hunt, we must first pay tribute, okay? And that's what explains Kadahoi, right? The bull and the people, before they go hunting,
Starting point is 00:29:27 must pay tribute to all the animals. Okay? This is true. And you also look at the cave paintings, right? They have all these cave paintings, and what they celebrate is not themselves. What they celebrate are the animals, because it's the animals that give them life,
Starting point is 00:29:49 that give them nourishment and meat, okay? Does that make sense? So, and you can see this in caves all around Europe and around the world, okay? All right, as the ritual begins, time collapses. There are two series of dances, separated by the liminal moments of the day, dawn, dusk, and midnight.
Starting point is 00:30:26 So the shaman during the ritual is once needs to communicate with the animals in the spirit world, okay? To do that, he changes, he changes from fish to animal to human being and back again. transcending every form, becoming pure energy flowing among every dimension of reality, past and present here and their mythic and mundane. His chance we call by name every point of geography met on the ancestral journey of the Anacrana.
Starting point is 00:31:00 So as you can see, before the hunt, the ritual is extremely elaborate, sophisticated, and complex. And its main purpose is to celebrate the unity of life. unity of life and to ask permission and to ask for forgiveness as the hunters go kill the animals okay does that make sense guys and again this explains okay so so the shamans will change into animals okay in order to better communicate with the animals and this explains all the cave paintings and how 40,000 years ago they were creating dolls of shamans dressed as animals, okay? Because for them, this is what is true.
Starting point is 00:31:52 Okay? Doesn't make sense, guys. All right, so any questions so far before I move on? Are you guys clear about what's going on? Okay? All right. Now let's move to Africa, okay? We were in South America, and they're still there today.
Starting point is 00:32:14 If you want to go visit that tribe, you can do so. Okay? Now let's go to Africa. And in Africa, there's a group of people called the Pygmies, okay? The Pygmies. And there's a very famous book by a British anthropologist by the name of Colin Chernbo, okay? And he discusses how the Pygmies practice
Starting point is 00:32:40 the religious beliefs. At the very center of the religion is something called the Molimo, okay? is a trumpet-like instrument and the molymo allows them to communicate with the forest it allows them to communicate with the spirit world and that's how they resolve every issue okay and the milimo also captures the sound and spirit of the forest okay all right so So even though we are in a different part of the world, we're in Africa, and even though the pygmies have different religious beliefs than the people of the Amazon,
Starting point is 00:33:24 what you will discover, what you will notice is that essentially the same religion, okay? The same idea that we are part of nature and that our job is to help nature maintain balance and harmony. Okay? Okay, so, So what I'll do now, okay, is compare, contrast, the way we think today and how they thought before, okay? So let's read.
Starting point is 00:33:57 I had no idea of how far we had come or in what direction. So he's following the group of pygmies around as they hunt. But I knew we had left the camp far behind. It was the first time I had known a group of pygmies to be so silent. Normally, unless hunting, they are deliberately noisy, but now just at the time that leopards would be prowling about in search of food, they seem unwilling to disturb the forest or the animals it concealed. Just the opposite, in fact, it was as if they were a part of the silence and the darkness
Starting point is 00:34:39 of the forest itself and were only fearful, less any sense. might betray their presence to some person or think not of the forest. They stood there, quiet and still, and it struck me with a sudden shock that not one of them carried a spear or bow and arrow. As they peered into the dust and cocked their heads first on their side, then on that, satisfying themselves that we were really alone, it seemed that they felt themselves so much a part of the forest, and of all the living things in it, they had no need to fear anything except that which was not off the forest. One of them said to me later,
Starting point is 00:35:24 when we are the children of the forest, what need have we to be afraid of it? We are only afraid of that which is outside the forest. So what I want to do now is through, by analyzing this passage, passage explore how our minds are different from their minds okay so our mind is what we consider to modern and their mind is what we're concerned pre-modern okay what's the first major difference between I okay the British anthropologists and how we think and how they think what's the first difference you you notice
Starting point is 00:36:04 from this passage well first of all what is the word that tells us that he doesn't really understand how these people think and behave. What's the word that tells us? He doesn't really understand these people. This is actually a great SAT question. If you guys plan on taking the SAT, okay? There's a word in this passage that tells us
Starting point is 00:36:36 he is actually, he is actually, he doesn't really understand how these people think and feel. What's the word? Shock, right? Shock. Okay? So he's surprised by their behavior.
Starting point is 00:36:57 Why is he surprised? What confuses him? Anyone? Why? Yes, exactly. Okay? Why does that surprise him? Exactly.
Starting point is 00:37:18 Okay. So here's the first big difference. Why do we think the nature is dangerous? Why do they not think nature is dangerous? Why? Why, guys? That's exactly right, okay? He thinks nature is dangerous because they're leopards.
Starting point is 00:37:34 They're predators, okay? They don't think nature is dangerous. What's the difference? What's the difference? Okay, the first major difference is this. Our minds think that we are separate from nature, okay? Men versus nature. Man versus nature.
Starting point is 00:37:57 But they think they are part of nature, okay? So let me ask you this question. Why do we fear nature? What makes this fear of nature? If I put you in a force, you're afraid. Why? Yes, okay? Why are you afraid of the unknown?
Starting point is 00:38:30 Okay, you don't know what you encounter, but why does that make you afraid? Why? Why would the unknown make you afraid? What is that that we are obsessed with? See me? We're obsessed with control, right? We have to control everything.
Starting point is 00:39:05 We want to know something because we want to control it, okay? We like animals in the zoo, right? We do not like animals in the forest. We can control animals in the zoo. We cannot control animals in the forest, okay? So we're obsessive control. Why aren't they afraid of nature?
Starting point is 00:39:27 What's their attitude? What are the pygmy's attitude? We want to control nature, but they, they want. Therefore they... Okay, the word is trust, right? Trust. They don't have to control nature because they trust nature. They believe the leopards know them, and they know the leopards, okay?
Starting point is 00:39:58 Does that make sense? Okay. So that's the first major difference between our world and their world. And we've been taught that nature is our enemy, or nature is outside us, whereas they believe that they are part of nature. Okay? Does it make sense, guys? All right, let's move on.
Starting point is 00:40:25 All right. So this is about their religious practice, okay? So they have a meal together and then they sing or they use the maloomol to make noises and they sing and dance, okay? Everyone ate his feel as and when he pleased, a couple of the older men saying they would wait until the youngsters had finished before they ate. But they did not wait for long. I was told, however, that everyone had to eat just as no adult meal was allowed to sleep, but have to see. while Milomo was singing was in progress. Apparently, one of the greatest crimes that the pygmy can commit, if not the greatest, is
Starting point is 00:41:10 to be found asleep when the monomal is singing. When the man stood up and miming, as all pigments loved to do, he showed how they used to search for sleeping man, a spear under each arm, and how if they found one, they would spear him in the stomach and kill him completely and forever. I was told that then his body would be buried under the Komolomolomolom. The Komal Molamo is a great fire in which they practice their religion, okay? And nobody would be allowed to mention his death even to remark on his absence. The woman would be told that the Molomo itself, the great animal of the forest, had carried
Starting point is 00:41:50 off one of their number, but like the men, they would ask no questions and would never again mention the missing men. Okay, so in this world, the greatest crime you can commit is not to kill someone, but to sleep during the religion. Can someone explain why that's the case? In this world, the pygmy world, the worst thing you can do is sleep. Why is that the case? Okay, let's just say that we're having a class, and one of you is sleeping, okay? And I get so angry that I want to kill that person. Why would I want to do that?
Starting point is 00:42:46 What's my logic? It's disrespectful of what? Okay, it's disrespectful of my authority that is true, but then I just ask a person to leave my class, right? Or I shut up at that person, but I want to kill that person. Why? What's happened? Okay. What is the classroom?
Starting point is 00:43:12 What is the classroom? Okay, a place to study, what else? What are we doing now? Yeah, but what is class? What is classroom? What allows a classroom to exist? What is the ritual we're practicing? Okay, so a classroom you can understand as the collective experience, okay?
Starting point is 00:43:59 A classroom happens when everyone is participating in it. Does that make sense? That's what we get a classroom alive. So why would be angry with one of you, one of you is sleeping but and why does that matter if you're sleeping what are you telling me yeah you know it's not a classroom it's not real this discussion is not real it's pointless you understand so that's what's happening here they're male moly singing the ritual it's meant for everyone to recognize that the
Starting point is 00:44:47 religion is real it's more real than reality okay but if you're sleeping you're saying no guys this doesn't matter okay what we're doing does not matter. And therefore, what you're doing is you're not committing violence on one person, you're committing violence on the community. You're committing violence on the religion. You're insulting the forest. You're insulting the God. Does that make sense? And that's the worst crime. Because reality happens. This religion is only possible if everyone believes that it is true. If you're sleeping, it means you don't think it's true. And therefore, you are, first of all, rejecting the community, right?
Starting point is 00:45:35 You're telling everyone, you're all idiots. Second thing is that you might endanger the community because you're insulting the forest. Does that make sense, guys? So for most of human history, people take their religion extremely seriously. seriously, so seriously that they think it's more real than reality. As long as everyone believes in it, it's true. But if someone doesn't believe in it, then we have to kill that person. Because if he doesn't believe in it, then it might cause our religion to die.
Starting point is 00:46:11 Does that make sense? Any questions so far? Any questions? We're all clear, right? Okay? And what I'm trying to show you is the power of religion, okay? how once we have the religious imagination, we can create things that are actually for us more real than reality, okay?
Starting point is 00:46:33 So that's the second thing that's different about us from other human beings. For most of human history, we were spiritual, okay? We're spiritual meaning like we believe like the world of spirits, our soul, it exists, okay? Today the word we use is materialistic. Materialistic. And the idea of materialistic is this.
Starting point is 00:47:02 If we cannot see it, it's not real, okay? God can't be real because we can't find it. The soul can't be real because we can't measure it. Imagination can't be real because we don't know where it comes from. Does that make sense? And obviously, okay? Obviously, this idea of materialism is wrong. How can you say the imagination doesn't exist?
Starting point is 00:47:32 But unfortunately, we have structured our society around this idea. All of science, okay, when you go to science class, they teach you this, okay? If it's real, you can measure it, you can see it, you can feel it. But for most of human history, we didn't believe that. We thought like, okay,
Starting point is 00:47:52 There is a spiritual world and that matters just as much as reality. Okay? In fact, it probably matters more than reality. Okay, so this is making sense, right guys? Okay. Okay. For a month, I sat every evening at the Kamal Molo listening and watching, okay? If I still had little idea of what was going on,
Starting point is 00:48:23 at least I felt that ear of importance and expectancy. Every evening when the woman shut themselves up, pretending that they were afraid to see the animal of the forest, every evening when the men gathered around the fire, pretending they thought that the woman thought that the drain pipes were animals. Every evening, the trumpet drum pipe imitated leopards and elephants and buffaloes. Every evening when all this make-believe was going on, I felt that something very real and very real and very good. real and very great what's going on beneath it something that everyone else took for granted and about which only i was ignorant okay clearly he doesn't he does not understand these people what word tells us he doesn't understand these people he
Starting point is 00:49:14 doesn't know what's going on why what word tells us this to me why's the ignorant there's a word in here that tells us he doesn't understand these people at all this This word shows that there's a chasm, okay? A huge difference between the pygmies and us. What is this word? What word would the pygmies not use here? They've been insulted by this word. What's the word?
Starting point is 00:49:56 You use it over and over again, right? There's a word here that's insulting. No. What word here in this passage would the pygmies find insulting? So if another tech teacher comes in, to my class and he says wow your class is a lot of fun I'd be insulted why I've been insulted why no well you guys have so much fun in this class you play a lot I've been insulted why to me you know yeah this is not studying okay this is not serious
Starting point is 00:50:58 academic work this is playing it has no significance no means meaning, right? So what word implies that here? It repeats itself over and over. Pretending, right? Pretending. We think they're playing. What do they think?
Starting point is 00:51:25 We think they're pretending. We think they're playing. What do they think? They think it's all true, do you understand? For them, their religion is more true than this world. Okay? That's a power of the human imagination. You can imagine a world, and this world, as long as many of you are imagining it together,
Starting point is 00:51:53 it's more true, more powerful, more real than this world. That's a power of religion, okay? What we call it the religious imagination. And we'll see this over and over again in human history, okay? Does that make sense, guys? Okay? So we've been taught that, oh, you can't see it. It must be pretending.
Starting point is 00:52:14 It must be make-believe. But for most of human history, for most people, this is not playing. This is not pretending. It's true. It's real. It's what allows us to be close to God. Okay? God is real.
Starting point is 00:52:32 This world we live in, it's not real. Does that make sense, guys? All right. Okay, so let's look at the last paragraph and then we'll finish for the day. He went on to tell that the pygmies called their malomo whenever things seem to be going wrong. It may be that the hunting is bad, he said, or that someone is ill, or as now, that someone has died. These are not good things, and we like things to be good. So we call out the malamo, and it makes them good as they should be.
Starting point is 00:53:11 Okay? So this is very similar to the shaman going into the spirit world when things are bad. Things are bad because the spirits aren't happy. Normally, everything goes well in our world, in our forests, but at night when we are sleeping, sometimes things go wrong because we are not awake to stop them from going wrong. Army ants invade the camp,
Starting point is 00:53:41 leopards may come in and steal a hunting dog or even a child. If we were awake, these things would not happen. So when something big goes wrong, like illness or bad hunting or death, it must be because the forest is sleeping and not looking after its children. So what do we do? We wake it up. We wake it up by singing to it, and we do this because we want it to awaken happy. Then everything will be well and good again. So when our world is going well, then also we sing to the forest because we want to.
Starting point is 00:54:19 wanted it to share our happiness, okay? You understand? So this is like them going to the spirit world and communicating with the spirits. So it's almost the same religion, okay? Maybe the details are different, but the idea is the same. The idea is that we're all interconnected,
Starting point is 00:54:39 animals, plants, humans, all the same. This is not the real world, the spirit world, the forest, they're the real world. And for us to maintain our health and our happiness and our safety, we must always communicate with this other world and make sure they're happy. Does it make sense? And because of this belief, it means we shouldn't go to war
Starting point is 00:55:11 with other people, okay? Because then that causes mayhem and chaos in the spirit world. Our job is to maintain harm. and balance in this world. We're caretakers, okay? It means we should not be in conflict with each other. We should be egalitarian, we should be equal because we're all from the same mother goddess. We're all from the same forest, we're all from the same woman shaman, okay? It means we have to be artistic because we have to celebrate and worship the spirit world. Does that make sense? Okay, so again, for most of human history, we have to celebrate, we have to celebrate and worship the spirit world.
Starting point is 00:55:46 Does that make sense? So again, for most of human history, we were like this. And even today, in a lot of cultures around the world, they're still like this. So another question is, what changed? Why do we have war? Why do we have hierarchy? Why do we have patriarchy? What are men superior to women?
Starting point is 00:56:11 Why do some rich people have all the power? Okay, this clearly goes against this religion. And what I will show you starting next class is the beginning of a new religion, and how this new religion that worships wealth, power, and war conquered everyone. Okay? Does that make sense? Okay. Any questions? Before we break anything you're unclear about?
Starting point is 00:56:49 Okay. Okay.

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