Predictive History - The Story of "Civilization", "Secret History", "Game Theory" and more - Civilization #7: Homers liad and the Birth of Greek civilization.

Episode Date: October 7, 2025

Updated from "Civilization #6 - Elite Overproduction and the Bronze Age Collapse" to "Civilization #7: Homers liad and the Birth of Greek civilization."Thanks @Martin

Okay, so today we start Greek civilization. And it is incredible what Greek civilization is. It is the greatest, most creative, most significant civilization ever in human history. The Greeks really created Western civilization. And not only were the Greeks, the greatest civilization, there's really not been a second great civilization. great civilization, okay? So let's think about how incredible the Greeks were.

If we look at literature, the Greeks basically created literature with Homer, okay? Homer wrote two books called the Iliad and the Odyssey, and he wrote these books about 3,000 years ago. Last year, I taught the great books to the students, and we read many books. And by far, their favorite book was Eliad. So think about this, how a Greek writer,

writing 3,000 years ago for a Greek audience, his book still resonates, still impresses, and still impresses students in China today. Okay? So that's Homer. Then you have Plato, philosophy, Plato. And even today, there are many consider Plato the greatest philosopher who ever lived. There are many people who read

the Republic by Plato and they say it transforms their lives. It makes them think very differently about the world. Then you have in history a man named Facilities. If you are a military leader today, you read Facilities. There are still many generals today. There are still many generals today in America, in Russia, in Europe, who believe reading facilities will help them win wars. Okay? So not only the Greeks create civilization, but their works, their books are still widely read today and considered amazing. Okay? So now the question I have is how does this happen? How were the Greeks able to create humanity's greatest civilization in really about 200 years okay they really were not dominant for a long time they really created all these works in about 200 years

altogether so how is this possible okay so let's go back to last class we talked about the branch age collapse right and we talked about how in about 1200 BCE, Greece was united in a place called Meissenian Greece. So basically the Meissenans controlled Greece and Greece was a monarchy. And it was no different from any other place in the world. At this point in 1200 BCE, the world was basically the same. And then the society collapsed because of the branches collapse. And three things happen, okay?

of all, centralization, the idea that you had a unified society, it went away, okay? So Greece became chaotic and decentralized. That's the first thing that happened. The same thing that happened is Greece became illiterate. So the Greeks lost the ability to read and write. We call this the Dark Ages. So from 1,000 to about 600 BC, but for 400 years, the Greeks basically lost the ability to read it, right?

We call this a dark ages because we don't have any books or writing from that period. It's completely dark to us. So the second thing that happened, the Greeks became illiterate. The third thing that happened is the Greeks became poor. So before the Greeks treated with the world, it was very very very important. prosperous and then because of the Bronze Age collapse it started to become more isolated and became a lot poorer okay so these are the three major consequences of the Bronze Age collapse in Greece it became decentralized it

became illiterate they became poor and the amazing thing is it's because of these three things that Greece became the most creative civilization in the world Okay? So remember this. It is because of the destruction of old Greece. It's because Greece became chaotic, illiterate, and poor that Greece eventually became the most civilized, the greatest civilization in the world. Okay? So let me explain how this happened. Okay. So there are three major reasons why Greek civilization became dominant. The first reason is the Polis. The Polis, um, It's hard for us to translate it. We usually translate it as city-state, okay? A city-state. And this is where we get the word politics. But really, what it means is community.

Okay? Community. And the idea of the poll is a community of people who discuss politics together, how to best run the town. Okay, and because of this chaos, there were thousands of policies around Greece of about a thousand people each, okay?

So it's a very small community. And this became the main political structure of Greek society, okay? So the polis is one factor. Second factor that happened is the alphabet. So after the Greeks became illiterate, they had to relearn literacy, okay? They had to relearn how to read and write.

In the process, they adopted a new writing system called the alphabet, which forever transformed the society. The last thing is Homer. Homer was a poet who introduced to the Greeks a new way of imagining the world, okay? So these are the three major factors that led to the rise of Greek civilization. And if you look at each factor, okay? So the poll is, was a political revolution. It's forever transformed society, okay? The alphabet was a language revolution.

It forever transformed the way people communicated with each other. And Homer was really an intellectual revolution. It forever transformed how much. forever transformed how Greeks saw and imagined the world around them. So let's go over each of these revolutions one by one, okay? So the Polis. There were three things about the Polis that allowed for innovation and creativity in Greece. The first thing of the Poles was competition, okay?

These polices were all spread out and they were all competing against each other for resources. They were constantly at war with each other and not allowed for massive innovation, okay? And again, remember, there's no centralized authority now. That's the first thing. Second thing is diversity. So if you look at a map of Greece, Greece has very diverse geography, okay? It has farmland, that's mountains, that's plain, it has coastal land, okay? And depending on where you were geographically in Greece, you develop a different economy

and culture and society based on the geography, okay? Does that make sense? And so you have a lot of diversity. And the last factor was the idea of democracy. So Greek civilization introduced the idea of democracy or the modern sense of democracy to us. And the reason why is at this time, Greece was very poor. If you're very poor, you need everyone to participate and work hard, especially in battles against other policies.

So the rule was you could be rich or poor, but if you fought for us, you had the right to speak. You could be the leader of this polis and you have the right to speak, but you could be the poorest person in this pollus and you still have the right to speak because everyone had a responsibility to defend the polis. So this introduced the idea of democracy. And what this meant was that everyone basically had to participate politically. So you could be a farmer, but you start to think about the political life. And you still had a responsibility to speak up in front of your peers, okay?

And this is where we get the idea of Polis from. And this was a major driver of innovation in Greece. So does this make sense, guys, the Polis? Any questions so far? We've got to move on. So one of the major innovations of a Polis was the introduction of the alphabet into Greek society. So let me explain the development of writing systems over time to you, okay? This can be a bit complicated, so make sure you're following along.

If I'm saying something unclear to you, make sure you interrupt and asking questions, okay? All right. So, when was first developed in Europe, in Western society, in Egypt, and in Samaria. And they did so to solve an economic problem. So these societies were very wealthy, and they needed people, farmers, to help them build roads, build irrigation networks and build temples, okay? To do so, I need to pay these workers, right? So writing system became a contract.

All right? A contract. So basically, the writing system at first was a pictogram, a pictograph that served the function of a contract. So for example, if I do this, okay? two people, okay? So what this is saying is, if you work for me, I promise to give two people two bushels of wheat, okay? And so when you have this, you can then give it to me and I have to give you the wheat.

Doesn't make sense? So they first start as pictograms. And what they recognize is, hey, we can just have this as symbols, right? So maybe just two faces and then two Vs. And this could represent the same thing, because everyone understood what it meant. So you went to symbolism as the next step. All right?

But then what they recognize is, hey, these symbols can also represent ideas. Okay, so here's an example. All right, so you have maybe a sun and a moon, right? Sun and Moon, they can represent the Sun and the Moon, but if you put them together, okay, Sun and the Moon, you get the concept of day, right? So now you have a concept, an idea, day, okay? We call this an ideogram.

And guess why, guys, Chinese is an ideogramic language. Does that make sense? Okay, and then as they continue developing writing, they recognize that, you know, you You know what, it would be a lot easier for us to communicate if these ideograms represented syllables and sounds instead. So rather than representing ideas, let's get them to represent sounds. So for example, this is sun, right? And this is moon.

Well, now if we do this, it becomes moon sun, right? which is the English word for monsoon, which means storm. Okay? So now this tells us to read it as monsoon, okay? And then the final recognition is, guess what? We can actually just have the sound represent a consonant, okay? The simplest sound, and this would be an M, this would be an S.

So if I write something like this, it now becomes SM or sum. Okay? And we call this the alphabet. Doesn't make sense. Okay? So this is the development of writing. And the reason why we do this is, with each innovation, we each development,

we're allowed more flexibility in our language to communicate our ideas. Doesn't make sense, guys. So now with the alphabet, something remarkable has happened. Before these different stages of writing required a professional class of people to manage the writing system. We call these scribes, right? Scribes.

The reason why is that writing is not speaking. is one language but writing is a different language. This is true for Chinese, right? Well, it's true back then as well. So to learn to read and write, you had to have professional scribes to do so because it was such a complicated task. Does that make sense? All right. But now with the alphabet, writing can become speaking. And And this marked an incredible revolution in human thought, the capacity to think. So let me explain why. Before the invention of writing, we live in an oral culture.

In our culture, okay? An oral culture means we don't write, we just speak to each other. All right? Now we live in a writing culture, a literary culture, where we don't actually speak to each other. we mainly just write to each other, okay? So mainly for email or texting, okay? Now, there are certain advantages to both cultures. With oral culture, the first major advantage is,

it's very emotional. Okay? When I'm speaking to you, I'm trying to get you excited. I'm trying to get you to pay attention. So I'm trying to think about how to rouse your emotions. So oral culture, it's very emotional. focus. That's the first major advantage. Second major advantage is it's very innovative or an open. And what this means is I can create words when I speak, right? I can say

Bukkudak, okay? That means nothing, okay? But I can create it and when we're speaking, you can figure out what I mean. So when I'm speaking, I can create all these different words. So there's room for innovation and imagine. in oral culture, does that make sense? Okay? The third thing is, the thing about oral culture is it forces everyone to have a really strong memory. The reason why is when I speak, I have to remember my speech, right? And then you have to remember my speech in order to respond to my speech.

And these speeches go on for like hours and hours. So back then, during old culture, everyone had a photographic memory. Okay, doesn't make sense. So back then, they were a lot smarter than we are today. And it's the same as, remember, during the hunter-gatherer stage, right? When we're out in the field. Guess what, guys? They were a lot stronger, faster, and healthier than we are today.

Because today, all we do is sit around, right? Does that make sense? So back then, they were a lot smarter than that. So these are the three major advantages of oral culture. It's a very emotional language, it's very innovative, and it forces you have a really strong memory. Okay? But there's also a lot of advantages to writing culture as well

that oral culture doesn't have. So for example, the first major advantage is rather than emotional, it has to be logical. Right? It has to make sense by itself. I can't trick you with rhetoric. All right? I have to use reasonable. use reason and logic to persuade you because you can read it at your own time.

Okay? So that's the first major advantage. Second major advantage is it's very disciplined, meaning, okay, I can't make up words. I have to use words we agree on, okay? The third major advantage is even though it decreased my memory, it stores up brain space for me to think deeply about the argument. for me to reflect on your argument and find logical problems in your argument, okay?

Doesn't make sense. All right? So we are basically, before they were in an oral culture, and that had certain advantages. Now we are in a literal culture, and we've lost the oral culture, okay? But when the Greeks discovered the alphabet, what happened was they combined the advantages of both cultures okay they were

most of the time they were speaking they were living in a rural culture but they also have the opportunity to write down their thoughts which allowed them the advantages of the litter culture to have a more disciplined focus logical mind okay does that make sense and this marked an incredible revolution the capacity for human beings to think. Okay, any questions so far? Okay, this is very complicated concept. I want to make sure you're following along, okay?

Any questions about what I just said before I move on? All right, now let's move on to Homer, okay? Homer. So we discussed the Polis and how it is a new political structure which allows for freedom of democracy. We discussed the alphabet, which marks a revolution in our capacity to think. Now comes along Homer.

And Homer is a poet. And back then, there were many poets who went around and told stories about the world, okay? Legends, mythologies. And the very best poets are usually hired by kings, rich people. Because kings need poets to solve three problems, okay?

Kings usually hire poets to solve three problems. The first problem is legitimate authority. What this means is you have to answer the question if you're king, why are you king? Now we know that most kings get power by killing a lot of people, okay? That's how they become king, by fighting wars and by winning wars.

So when they become king, they need to clean up their image. They need to legitimize your authority. So what they tell people is usually what? What? What, my king? Why? Exactly. God chose me.

And how do I prove God chose me? How do I prove that? Because there's a poet who sings a beautiful song about me. And this song can only come from divine inspiration, right? The poet is a vessel for divine messages, right? Doesn't make sense. This poem, this song is so beautiful, it must be divine. And if this divine song is saying, I am born of a god, the gods want me to become king,

then I must be divine myself. Doesn't make sense. Okay? So it's the first major function of poets in the society to legitimize authority. Second function is to create a cultural identity. So, you know, in China you have books like Sang-Guang-Yan Yin, okay? Romans are Three Kingdoms. You have the Bible.

All these literary works, the function is to create a common cultural identity, okay? It tells us what it means to be Chinese. Does that make sense? Because then you unify the people who then obey the king, who unifies them, right? That's the second function. The third function is the idea of cultural differentiation. To know who you are, you must also know who you are not. We're Chinese, so therefore we are not Japanese.

We're not Korean. We're not American. Doesn't make sense. So most literary works that we have were sponsored by leaders, kings, to solve these three problems. So in the future we will read the Inniad, which is what the Romans had. were read the Bible okay in China you have like the Romans of the three kingdom and all

these literally works were designed to serve the powers that exist at that time okay doesn't make sense the problem with Homer is when he was around and we don't know actually when he was alive maybe about six hundred eight hundred to six BC okay around then we don't know actually no okay but there was no king there's no one to pay him therefore he could only make his living by appealing to the people around him okay he had to appeal to or under people and so the question then is if you're a poet how do you get owner people who are poor to pay you money why would they want to pay you to sing songs for them okay well there are three

reasons the first is just entertainment today we listen to songs we go to movies well back then their entertainment the source of entertainment was to pay people like Homer to sing songs to them okay that was what they were thought was fun to do. That was their source of entertainment. Second reason is education. So remember that back then Greece was poor, they didn't have schools, but because of the Polish system, they had to speak in front of their peers. So how do you learn to speak well? Well, you do so by imitating people who do speak well, who are usually poets, right? So when you listen to Homer speak and give speeches, you can

imitate him and copy what he does to make your own speech in front of your peers. So second reason is educational. Basically, Homer was a teacher as well as a poet. Okay? And the third reason, and what made Homer special, is what we call edification. Edification. Edification means to be a better you, to be a higher you, okay? you okay and edification the way that Homer accomplished edification is by

changing the way that you saw the world around you the way you felt about the world the way you imagine the world okay so let me explain how he did so but first of all before before I continue are there any questions about this so far anything anything you are not clear about anything I've said that you are not clear about or you're confused by before I continue okay so Homer was a poet who told stories and the and the most popular story at that time was something called the Trojan War so the main story of the Children War is this okay so there was a Greek goddess named Nemesis and Nemesis likes to create problems

she's always thinking of ways to get the gods to fight against each other so one day she creates this apple it's a golden apple and the golden apple says to the most beautiful goddess in the world okay it doesn't say who it just says to the most beautiful goddess in the world and then she just puts it on Mount Olympus for the gods to find three goddesses find this apple and they fight over it okay the first goddess is Hera who is the queen god okay second goddess is Athena who is the goddess of wisdom. The third goddess is Aphrodite, who is the goddess of love. They're fighting over

this apple all the time, and they're creating a huge ruckus. And so the king god, Zeus, gets tired of all they're fighting, and he finds a human stupid enough to be the judge. Okay? So this human, his name is Paris. His job is to pick who is the most beautiful goddess in the universe, okay? Is it going to be Hera, Athena, or Aphrodite? And again, he's stupid enough to want to piss off two goddesses, right? So when he's making his decision, all the goddesses try to bribe Paris. Paris says to Paris, Paris, if you pick me, I will give you your own kingdom. I will make you king of the world.

Paris is like, oh, that's pretty good. Athena says to Paris, I will make you the wisest man in the world. I will give you all the knowledge of the world. And Paris is like, oh, that's pretty good. And then Aflis says, hey, I will give you the most beautiful woman in the world to marry. And then Paris is like, I want that. And so, but the problem is, the most beautiful woman in the world is Helen, queen of Sparta. She's a Greek who's married to a Greek king.

Paris steals Helen, takes her back to Troy. And then the Greeks get angry and they raise this huge army. And for 10 years, they attack Troy, which is a walled city, okay? And the war ends when a Greek general named Odysseus, he comes up with this idea called the wooden horse. Okay? So the Greeks pretend they give up, they're going to go home because they're homesick. And as a president, to the Trojans, they leave behind a wooden horse. The Trojans take the wooden horse into the city.

At night, the Greeks jump out of the wooden horse, open the gates, and the children are slaughtered, okay? And this is the story of the Children War. And the Greeks love the story because it's really the Greeks being heroes, right? The Greeks have this great victory. People love to win battles. What's amazing about Homer's story, okay? It's called the Iliad, and we'll read this next semester. But there are three things that Homer does in the Iliad that's really never been done before, okay?

And so with the Iliad, we have the invention of literature. The first thing that Homer does is rather than telling the story from the Greek side, he tells a story from both the Greek and Trojan side. In fact, when you read the Iliad, you'll discover that the Tres, Trojans are actually more heroic, more courageous, and more brave than the Greeks. Okay? That's pretty amazing. And by switching perspectives, a new idea comes into being that never really existed before. And we call this idea empathy.

Empathy. The ability to see the world from the perspective of other people. And before in human civilization, this didn't really exist before, okay? before okay but Homer creates this for the Iliad the second thing that is new and unique to the Iliad is human psychology so the first time homework discusses what motivates the characters in the in the in the Iliad okay why are you finding this war and so the story is between two individuals, Achilles and King Priam.

So Achilles is the greatest warrior of the Greeks. Priam is the king of the Trojans. And they hate each other, okay, because you're enemies. Achilles is trying to kill Priam. Prime is trying to defend his family and his home. So the Iliad starts like this. Achilles, at the beginning, gets in a fight with Agamese. who is a king of the Greeks, okay?

They get into a fight, and they curse each other, and Achilles says, you're a dog, Agamon, I'm never gonna fight for you again. And Agamonon, the king says, I don't need you, man. So Achilles refuses to fight, okay? The problem is Achilles is the greatest warrior of the Greeks. And the Trojans, led by Hector, who is a son of Priam,

he sees an opportunity because Achilles refused to fight. Hector leads the children army out of Troy and they're destroying the Greeks and the Trojans are about to crush the Greek army. So the Greek generals say to Agamon, could you please beg Achilles to return to the battlefield? And they go and they talk to Achilles and Achilles basically says, screw off. I'm not helping you guys, okay? His friend Patroclus, okay? Patroclus is basically like his younger brother.

He feels sorry for the Greeks, so he pretends to be Achilles and goes off to battle against Hector. Hector kills Patroclus, and this angers Achilles, okay? Achilles is so angry that he jumps into the battle and he kills Hector. Once he kills Hector, he does something very odd. Usually when you kill someone's body,

you return that body to your enemy for a ransom, Because the belief back then is only if you bury your dead, can the dead find peace in the after world, okay? But Achilles is so angry at Hector that he's torturing Hector's body, which is torturing Priam. But even after Achilles does this, he can't sleep and he feels tremendous sadness,

even though he's avenged the death of a trial. And the reason why is, in his heart, Achilles knows he was the one responsible for killing Patroclus, right? Because if he didn't get into the stupid fight with Agamaran on, and if he did not refuse to Greeks when they requested help, then Patroclus wouldn't have died. So it's because Achilles was so stubborn and so proud that his friend Patroclus died. So he feels tremendous guilt for what happened. his guilt turns into an intense hatred for Hector.

That's why he's torturing Hector's body. Then what happens is Priam, King Priam, who can't sleep either because his son is being tortured. His son is dead, but his soul is still being tortured by Achilles. He sneaks into Achilles' tent, okay? And he's right behind Achilles while Achilles is talking to his generals. And at this point, remember, Achilles doesn't see him. he's sitting behind Achilles, he could take his knife and stab Achilles in the neck, right? And that's what most people would do.

But Prime doesn't do that. Prime instead kneels down and kisses the hand of Achilles, which forces Achilles to be in awe of this king who has knelt down before him. And he admires Prime's courage. and love for his son so much that he feels tremendous shame and remorse for what he's done to Hector. And he returns Hector's body to Pryam as compensation. And that's how the Elyat ends, okay? The main message of the Eliad is it's that war that creates civilization.

It is love that creates civilization. It is prime love for Hector that gives him the courage. to defeat Achilles in battle and in this defeat Achilles becomes a better person because he's able to forgive himself and he's able to do what is right and just and return Hector to his father okay that's the that's the Iliad as you can imagine this is extremely complicated psychology and it forced you to think deeply about who we are as humans. Does that make sense?

The third thing that is shocking about Dalyat is the use of metaphors. So what are metaphors? Metaphors are connections between things that were unseen, okay? So for example, if I say, the sky is a snail. You're like, oh, I didn't know that.

Do you understand? That's what a metaphor is. A metaphor is connecting two things that before we're not connected. If you think about it, what this is is a new thought. And there are lots of metaphors in the Iliad, okay? So essentially, metaphors teach you how to think, okay? They are the tools for thought.

So these are the three distinct characteristics of the Iliad that make it unique in the world. It's switching perspectives all the time, which creates empathy. It talks about human psychology all the time, which creates imagination. And it uses metaphors, which enables you to think much more deeply about the world, okay? If you put these three things together, what this is, ultimately is a theory of human. Okay?

It's a theory of what it means to be a human being. Before we fought human beings fought over land. They fought over a woman like Helen, okay? They struggle for power. What Homer is saying is what it needs to be human is someone who has empathy, imagination, and the willingness to think. Only if you're willing to see, feel, and think,

are you human? This is a new theory of human. that becomes the basis for a Greek civilization. And that's why the Greeks believe the founder of the civilization was not a general. It was not a king. It was a poet named Homer. Okay?

And it's because of the Iliad that they all read and memorized and they could recite. Because again, this is an oral culture where you're trained to have a very strong memory. And because they memorize the Iliad, it forever transformed them as humans, okay? This is a new theory of what it means to be human. And this becomes a basis for Greek civilization, which then becomes a basis for Western civilization. And it's because of these three reasons, the Polish, the alphabet, and Homer, that we have Western civilization, as we know it,

today. Okay? Any questions so far? Any questions so far, guys? All right. Now I'm going to spend some time and discuss, okay, why is Greek civilization different from Chinese civilization? Okay? And this will help you better understand what's the civilization. So the first question is, why is it the Greeks developed alphabet, okay? The alphabet, and the Chinese did not develop the alphabet. And the answer is this. The answer is Greece was not an isolated culture. So the people who actually developed the alphabet were the Egyptians. Okay, Egyptians.

And the reason why is Egypt was constantly in contact and communication with many different societies and cultures, including the Samarians and the Greeks. And they could adopt new practices to advance their language. So it was the Greeks, it was the Egyptians who developed the alphabet. The Phoenicians were traders, and the Phoenicians connected the Egyptian culture to everyone else, okay? So it's the Phoenicians who brought the alphabet to the Greeks, who, because they became illiterate, we're looking for a new language system.

Does that make sense? That's why, that's how the Greeks got the alphabet. Again, the question is, why didn't China develop the alphabet? And the answer is this. China, for most of its history, was isolated from the rest of the world. But not only was China isolated, but it was stable for most of its history, because for most of Chinese history, China was run by a class of people called scholar officials, right? Confucian scholars.

What was their power? What was the secret power? It was the ability to read and write. That's what differentiated them from everyone else, right? That's what made them indispensable to the emperor. That's why they were so powerful. And so when you have a monopoly over literacy, you don't want to give it up, you want to increase it.

And the way they did so is by creating a new language called classical Chinese, literary Chinese, okay? Does that make sense? That's why there was this divergence between Greece and China at this time. Because China, the literacy was monopolized by an elite who benefited from this monopoly,

and therefore they made this monopoly much more effective by introducing a new language called classical Chinese. But only they could master. Does that make sense, guys? Because the school officials, in charge of bureaucracy, right? If you're running a bureaucracy, you need the ability to read and write. You need ability to try to to basically transport information from one place to next, right?

That's through reading and writing, through literacy. Doesn't make sense. So only they could become bureaucrats. Okay? So does that make sense? Okay. Any more questions? Okay.

Second question is, why is it? the Greeks had Homer and the Chinese we Chinese we never had Homer okay and again the problem are the scholar officials If you look at Confucian thought There's a hierarchy in Confucius thought in Confucian thought right at the very top are scholar officials. They're the most virtuous They're the most well-educated they're most cultivated. Okay, they're the best people next to the below these school officials are the farmers and the artisans right because they produce wealth for society below them are the merchants right and then at the very bottom are who the

artists right the poets now guess what guys in Greece this was a complete opposite they placed Homer at the very top of the society everyone want to be a poet like Homer okay so when Plato was writing the Republic he was trying to become Homer he was trying to become a teacher of civilization and it's an inspirer of civilization okay a big god of civilization that's what Plato wanted but guess what facilities when he wrote the Peloponnesian War he was trying to do the same thing he was trying to inspire civilization he was trying to inspire new ideas because they all want to become homework okay because they all knew

homework was the father of civilization and they wanted to continue his legacy and that's what made the Greeks unique in human history because only other society put poets first and foremost at a pop and no other society did so okay in China is a complete opposite because if you're so official what you're most afraid of is independent thinking okay so censorship censorship was their main role okay controlling how poor thought for censorship and that's why China never really produced a homer or a great thinker doesn't make sense right but and so this is going to be strange but it's only

because Greece got destroyed by the at the at the end of the Bronze Age it became decentralized illiter and poor that they could then become a great civilization. It was only for destruction that they could have the polis, the alphabet, and Homer. And that's the main message of human history. It's for destruction that we have innovation. And it's only for this process that human beings are able to rejuvenate the society. Okay?

Does that make sense? Any questions? Was this clear to you guys? So we'll continue the Greeks, okay?