Property Hub - Investment Insights & Inspiration - Get Invested - Part 2: Simon Lacey on patience, purpose and property over get-rich gimmicks

Episode Date: November 21, 2025

In a market full of shortcuts, hype, and “get-rich-by-Friday” noise, the real advantage belongs to investors who master the art of shifting gears — between growth and cashflow, and between working hard and actually living well. In Part 2 of Bushy’s deep-dive with Simon Lacey, an investor with 26 properties to his name, we peel back the curtain on what sustainable, purpose-driven property investing really looks like. Simon shares how he refined his entire “property engine” through co-living, commercial lending, and building a people-first buyer’s agency — all while keeping a long-term, fundamentals-first mindset. This is an episode for investors who want to resist the lure of the quick win, avoid the traps of short-term thinking, and instead build wealth the way it’s always been built: with clarity, consistency, and calm execution. Bushy and Simon dig into: How to shift gears between growth and cashflow without stalling your strategy Why the fundamentals — not the fads — deliver real financial freedom How co-living and commercial lending shaped Simon’s investment approach The importance of a people-first lens when building a property business Why persistence, patience and purpose always pay off in the long run If you’re ready to tune out the gimmicks and get serious about building a balanced life and a bulletproof portfolio, this episode will show you exactly what it takes. Are you ready? Then let’s get invested. Find your Freedom Formula Success in property starts with your 'why', and then the 'what' and 'how'. Let me, Bushy Martin, lead you through it! Sign up for my Freedom Formula program. The first session is absolutely free, and it only takes around an hour! Find out more https://bushymartin.com.au/freedom-formula-course Subscribe to Property Hub for free now on your favourite podcast player. Take the next step - connect, engage and get more insights with the Property Hub community at linktr.ee/propertyhubau Get property investment and wealth resources, and book a Personal Solution Session with Bushy. All the links and info are here: linktr.ee/propertyhubau About Get Invested, a Property Hub show Get Invested is the leading weekly podcast for Australians who want to learn how to unlock their full ‘self, health and wealth’ potential. Hosted by Bushy Martin, an award winning property investor, founder, author and media commentator who is recognised as one of Australia’s most trusted experts in property, investment and lifestyle, Get Invested reveals the secrets of the high performers who invest for success in every aspect of their lives and the world around them. Subscribe now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and YouTube to get every Get Invested episode each week for free. For business enquiries, email [e-mail] omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is what I see a lot of people today, like they've got great jobs and they work hard and they're great, great borrowing capacity and they sort of sit on their hands and I'm like, please don't. That's one of my biggest regrets, you know, like don't sit on your hands, like you take action because take action now while you can because as you get older, it's going to get harder, it doesn't get easier. Welcome to Get Invested on the Property Hub podcast channel, the leading weekly show for Australians who want to learn how to unlock their full self, health and wealth potential.

I'm your host, Bushy Martin, and each week I go deep with the best investors, experts, leaders and founders to find out what it takes to break free from the grind, discover freedom and to live by design. Subscribe now and join me and get invested in the life that you really want. Let's get started. Hi, Freighter Fighters. Well, last week we met a man who truly embodies the spirit of property persistence, Simon Lacey. We heard how he turned a tough upbringing into unshakable drive, how he bought his first property at just 20 years old, and how a few tough lessons from broken axles to broken builders forged a rock-solid mindset. But here's the big question. Once you build a massive portfolio generating over $900,000 a year in rental income,

what's next? How do you protect it, scale it, simplify it, without losing the very freedom you built it for? And how can the rest of us apply those same lessons to craft a calm, confident path to our own financial independence? To bring that to life, I want you to picture this. You're pedalling a bike up a long, steep hill. The wrong gear grinds you down. The right gear lets you glide further with less effort well investing is no different and simon's story today is all about learning to shift gears between growth and cash flow between hustle and harmony between working hard and living well so in this second half of our chat you'll hear how simon refined his property engine through code living commercial lending and a people's

first buyer's agency and how he's now creating both impact and income by helping others do the same. So buckle up for another round of insights, inspiration and practical wisdom as we continue this conversation with a man who proves that persistence, purpose and patience always pay off in property and in life. We jump back into the conversation where I just started to ask him about how he changed his future so let's get it invested again with simon lacey moving forward from here given that we're in a situation where you know we've just come through the second highest property boom in the 260 year history of the country a lot of areas are probably going to soften off a little bit they won't probably won't have the level of growth that we've achieved particularly you know

that excessive abnormal growth we've seen in the last three years. What's your strategy going to be to maintain or grow your net income position and what's the end goal look like for you? So going forward, I've been sitting down and spending a lot of time thinking about it. To me, my kids are at an age I want to spend time with them. Some people said to me the other day, a guy said to me yesterday, you've probably only got five or six summers left with your daughter.

before she's grown up and do her own thing. So I love spending time with my family. I mean, I'm so fortunate that I got into a property at an early age. From probably 30, I've been able to go to this swimming and do all these things with my kids. And I'm so grateful property's given me that experience. So for me, I'm going to concentrate on passive income. I don't need a $50 million net worth or $100 million net worth.

I don't need Ferraris, Lamborghinis, and I don't need that. I just need this passive income to enjoy my family and spend time with my family. So I started to realize, you know, I've got some friends that are super wealthy, and I realized we're all going to end up in the same place. So for me, concentrating on my passive income, so I'm going to still work on this co-living sort of scenario the next couple of years. And near my area where I live in Melbourne, there's no rentals. And there's people living in tents along the creeks

and people living in tents everywhere. So I'm like, if I can help the market by producing more places, good places to live, I'm helping, you know. I'm not hindering. I'm trying to push the rentals down. You know, the more supply, the better. You know, it's unfortunate. There's families out there living in tents.

It's like insane, like, it's come to this. You know, and there's too much red tape in Victoria where developers are all backing off. Like the numbers don't stack up. The numbers don't stack up. Developers need to make money. We're not going to put your balls on the line or put everything on the line and not make money.

And so the co-loving model and different scenarios, different models are really coming into play now. I think there's a lot of opportunity and it's going to help the market and help people give more places to live. One hundred percent agree. So I'm going to, for me. Yeah, I love what you're doing in that space.

What do you say to someone who's listening in, because I don't know about you, but I guess I get a bit frustrated. There's a lot of talking about housing affordability and how people have been locked out of property and housing in recent times. What do you say to those people, given where you've come from and what you've done and the pivots and changes and adaptations that you've managed to achieve over time? And what do you say to people who might be sitting there going,

well, yeah, I'd like to do this, but gee, I don't know that I can. There's always opportunity. I think every person, you don't have to buy where you live. You know, you can rent a house with friends. You know, get a few of us together and rent a house and then go to find this. Places around Australia are still affordable and there's still opportunities where you can do little subdivisions

or renos or out of bedroom or whatever it is to build up some capital, to get going you don't have to do work in your own area you don't have to do a subdivision or whatever it is where you live or you know buy rental where it is there's places out there you know i've been helping clients get stuff for you know 350k you know 400k it's your stuff out there that's still affordable if you you know there's still ways to get ahead there's always a way you don't have to sit and go i can't afford it or there's a way there's always a way if you think in your head you can't do it, you won't do it. It's, you know, like everything's like mindset, you know, like Think and Grow Rich, that book, you know, it's just so true. Like

you just got to pitch yourself where you want to be and make it happen. Like just take action. And if you can't think, you don't think you can find a property where you are, make phone calls, ring around and ring Buyers Advocates or whatever it is. Ask people, say, is there any opportunities or get on real estate got time because there is opportunities out there i look all the time like i'm helping clients now looking at dropping opportunities and there's there's stuff out there that you can still still opportunities heaps of opportunities i see too many opportunities for me i've got to control myself to not to take action because i've looked at a heap of stuff yesterday i was looking for a client and i saw so many opportunities and i'm like i'd love to do

this and do that. I go, take a chill pill because my thing at the moment is I want to spend time with my family. In the next four to five, 10 years, I spend time with my family. I don't need to take too much. What else do you need? Yeah, exactly. I love that. Something else I'd love for you to talk through because there'll be a lot of people listening going, wow, 25 or six properties. That sounds like a full-time job. That sounds like I'll be spending all my time managing that process. Talk us through how you managed to do that. And at the same time, as you mentioned to me in the green room,

you're heading off with the family for a holiday over the Easter weekend, which is at the time we've recorded this. Clearly, you've got that sorted out. Can you share how you managed to free up your time but also have the portfolio managed appropriately? Yeah, no worries. The best thing about it is having good property managers. All the best property managers you can find.

it might cost you a little bit more. That's probably one of the most important things that takes a lot of stress out of it because they help you find good tenants. And as soon as you've got good tenants, there's a lot of stress gone and good property managers. Also, I have a bookkeeper who's amazing. She's been working with me probably for at least sort of 15 years. And she comes in once a week and checks over the books and checks everything. The basic emails I respond to. It's funny. I think it's a mindset thing as well because years ago i got to 20 properties and i started selling them i couldn't handle it and it was bizarre because i was like i had a couple issues come up and different things come up but then i

think it's a mindset thing because this time it doesn't bother me at all and i then think it's not stressful at all and i want to push forward so i think it's back to the mindset and i think maybe you grow slowly or different times or but yeah it is amazing because like you know you see Some people, I've got a friend who's got 100 properties and I'm like, how does he handle that? But he's got someone full-time that looks after it and it's every, I think everyone can handle a different amount of stress, you know.

I think you're better off starting slowly and just taking small steps, small steps, small steps and then it's less stressful because you get used to it. It's just your daily thing. It doesn't bother me like, you know, definitely your issues come up, you know, tap white lake or hot water service might go or something so simple, but it's so minute in the scheme of things.

My wife will go, why don't you sell one or something happens or something? And I'm like, the capital growth, you get a small, over 20-something properties, you get a small percentage of growth that makes a huge difference. For example, this, my wife, we started panicking over COVID and the 13 interest rate rises, and then we look at it and sit back and go, If we get $50 a week increase on each property, that's $70,000 a year. If we get one interest rate drop across our portfolio, that saves us $70,000 a year.

So straight away, in two basic steps, we could be $150,000 up from where we are. So it's power of leverage. This leverage is massive. It comes in a part. I absolutely love it. And again, I'm a disciple of Robert Kiyosaki myself, mate. I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you if it wasn't for reading that book way back in, I think it was 1998, I first read that book and it was an absolute penny drop moment

for me. It completely changed everything I did from that point on. So, and I 100% agree with you, mate. I often refer to it as, you know, we need to give ourselves TLC, you know, that's, the The TLC is not tender loving care, but it's time, leverage and compounding as the three things that have the biggest impact on our future. And if we're not investing in it the right way, then it's going to happen in the reverse for those that don't take that step. So I love that. But given your thoughts, mate, and given how active you are in the industry and given that the good old mainstream media loves to scare us like hell with the next thing that Trump's going to do.

and what the election's going to have an impact on the property conditions. What's your read on the future of property and where the opportunities might be? Oh, there's definitely opportunities because I think there's this massive undersupply across the board. You know, stuff that's under 700K across Australia is once they start dropping interest rates, I think there's going to be so much opportunities.

It's affordable stuff out there. if it's under $700,000, it's going to be so much demand for that. And as soon as they start dropping interest rates, when they do, it's going to be huge demand and everyone's going to jump, you know, like a lot of people are going to take action. But a lot of people still sit on their hands and say, oh, it's too hard or it's too expensive now. But, you know, the best thing I can say to anyone,

no matter how old you are, take action as early as possible. It makes it so much easier because that compound you're saying about, you take action when you're early 20s, you get that compound on a couple of properties. It just goes so far down the track. It basically delay gratification. If you don't buy cars and live cheap when you're young and put it into property or something, whatever it is, that leverage you get, you build up a nested when you're young, you can use it to reset yourself up from the age of 30 or whatever it is.

I was fortunate enough probably from 30 to be basically financial free. I'd paid off my first house, that first townhouse when I was 24, 25. I thought I was done. I thought, this is it. I'm free. And I'm like, unfortunately, my parents were still paying off their house. And I'm like, I'm done. I'm just going to sit out in the backyard and sit in the sun.

My expenses were low. I had no kids. I had nothing. I had nothing to pay for. I could do a couple of little electrical jobs and relax, go traveling. But yeah, then things changed. So having a family and you want a bigger house and you wanted to have more holidays, you want to fancy a car and you push harder, you keep pushing.

But yeah, you realize though, one thing I did realize and a lot of people think all they need to do is pay their house off. And I'm like, I paid my house off at 24, 25 and it wasn't enough. You still need income. You need to be able to pay your insurance, your rates. We have all these costs and now the cost of food and basic living is so expensive. You need more than just paying the house off. You need to, you know, whether it's a couple of properties

or whatever you want to do. So you've got to work out, like you say, you've got to work out where you want to be and work out how you're going to get there. And I love your story. Basically, I was listening to one of your podcasts the other day and basically you worked out where you wanted to get to. You wanted to get to 200K passive income.

Yeah. And then you sit down and work out how you're going to get there. Spot on. And I love that you've done exactly the same, being very clear and focused right from the get-go on where you're heading. but but also i i think what's really great about your story uh simon is that you you're happy to pivot if something's not working you're going to do something else so you're always learning you're always curious and you're not scared to then go and have a go on and that you know i think

the big takeaway from me from what you shared with us is just have a go uh if you if you can't do it the normal way find a way if you if you don't have the money find some of the money uh if you've got the money but you don't have the time find someone who can do it uh there's always a way to make this happen if you're prepared to get out there talk to people and and find a way as you as you say mate there's too too many people who close the doors based on the the negative nellies that they hear in the media uh and then convince themselves that life's never going to be any good well for those of us who can see beyond that and get below the averages and the medians and all the rest of the stuff and get down to, you know, every property is an opportunity. If we can solve

someone's housing problem, then there's a solution that we can make money out of. There's absolutely no question. And for me, for as long as people live in property, there's an opportunity to make money out of property. So I love what you're saying there. If we reflect back on your journey so far what's been your best and worst investment and what have you learned from each of those right best and worst investment I think the worst investment has been when I was so tied up in the solar business a developer friend of mine came to me and he had a property and then he had plans and permits to put two at the back and I was so caught up in my other business I didn't really sit down and do the numbers and I didn't make a huge amount on that project

but it's probably one of my worst uh so yeah it goes to show you should always if you don't have the time get an expert in just get someone else I should if I could go back now I would have got a BA or and it's gone to someone like yourself and said what should I be doing I've got a good income for my solar business I'm sort of guessing at the moment should I be doing this you know I was taking a lot of advice from a developer and problem is i was getting development advice because he's a developer he's going to be giving me that same device i should have gone to another someone i was doing a totally different strategy and got advice from them and then put the two together and go which way do i want to go what what end game do i want so but yeah that was

probably my worst investment my best investment well my first one was a good one because when i got into melbourne i was told not to get into melbourne because melbourne had so much demand at the time it was early 2000s and i'm like so much demand is a good thing i think so like i got into melbourne you know bought that first one i did that subdivision work with booming uh so basically both them probable then properties basically doubled from day dot so that that was probably one of my best and getting into brisbane early you know first one in brisbane i bought probably five years ago, six years ago. I bought around that Petrie, Petrie University. I was buying around there. I had an idea I was going to do some student accommodation type stuff around

there. So I started buying some stuff around there before Brisbane took off. But I, at the same time, I have an advisor. I have someone who gives me areas I sit down with who's been playing property for probably 50 years. I sit down with him and I don't guess. I sit down with him and he gives me some ideas on areas that have got potential. I spend money and always have on areas. That's how I got into La Trobe a few years ago

when I was picking them up for $100,000 and that's pretty well how a boy got into Brisbane early. And I use the same sort of research to help clients try to get into areas before they go nuts. Yeah, love it. Love it. No, that's awesome, mate. Well, look, let's, before we jump into the ambush bushfire round,

tell us a bit more about Lacey Elite Buyers Agents, especially in terms of what's unique about what you do and what you do differently, do you think? Well, I started that when I was traveling in Australia. We had, you know, basically at the time we had 200, 250K coming in passively. Me and my wife said, what are we going to do when we go back? And maybe we thought, we love this so much. We want other people to be able to experience this freedom,

this time with the family and doing what you want to do. So we said, we'll go back and get our license and do a course and be out of the license. And it's been probably a bit over a year, a year and a half. But basically, I try and specialize in helping people achieve what they want to achieve. Everyone's different. Someone needs to work on cash flow.

Someone needs to create capital. I don't stay I'm not into the game where burning soon would find him a townhouse or find him this I really don't need the money that bad so more for me it's a hobby and sometimes last year we did a lot of advertising and I got a lot of time I kick it's no offense to some people came to me and I wasted my time and this year I've stopped advertising stopped everything I'm like i've got a way up where i spend my time my family's important first and my second is i'm willing to help people but i'm not advertising so much you know i'm just like i'm scaling back but people really want help i'll help them but i'm not gonna just go advertise and just unfortunately some

people say they want to take action but they just sort of unfortunately not they're afraid maybe this isn't the right time for them that's okay so with the boys over keep business we're Try and do specific things like try and find or definitely try and help the client if they need to get cash flow or they're at a time where they want to retire or need cash flow fast. Some people are in their 40s or whatever and they want cash flow fast. They've got ways because I'm doing that sort of strategy myself. And lucky enough, because I've been doing it for 25, nearly 30 years, I've nearly done

every strategy. I've done developments. I've done co-living. I've tried I've done little house and grannies I've done a bit of everything I've tried it all and I've done bought in every state except for Adelaide so I've got the experience a little bit of experience and I wasn't confident enough to help other people until I'd set myself up and I had a lot of big portfolio a decent portfolio before that I wasn't comfortable helping other people I thought I need to be able to prove to myself I can do it myself I can set myself up

and then I'm comfortable helping other people because I know I can do it. And now I've got all the contacts, you know, around Australia with builders, I've got agents. Nearly in every state I've got someone I can turn to for maintenance or whatever it is. I've been very blessed to have such great people in my life when it comes to that stuff.

So, yeah, that's probably why we're different. I'm just not a brand intern trying to find anyone anything. To be honest, with some of the clients I was helping last year, I probably spent a month to six weeks on each purchase for them. I was probably too invested in it. I think each purchase I do for a client is pretty well like a property for me, which it helps them, which is great. For me, in the income side, it's probably not so great.

But that's okay. We're here for a long time. It doesn't matter. Like, yeah, I'm comfortable. I'll be okay. You know, it's not about numbers. If maybe when I can, if I wanted to try and scale it and I could have a good team around me, like with the solar business, we managed to get a good team around us.

And you can, if you can scale with good people and good helpers and you, I know the clients are going to get looked after and get a good, good service. And maybe I could go down that path, but at the moment, I'm just going to stay small and try and help a small amount of clients and stay down that and try and give them a good result, the best result, you know. I get to deal with a lot of buyer's agents, Simon, and I guess having seen the good, bad, and overly of the industry, because sadly the barriers to entry are pretty low,

so anyone can get in pretty easily, pretty cheaply. I'm seeing – I think sadly a lot of people got in the industry for the wrong reason, and there's a lot of tick and flick stuff that talk a great story, but the quality of the asset that they're offering to people, very questionable to me. And for first-time or early investors, they don't know how bad an asset is until five or six years later, and by then, it's long gone.

So given the personal experience you have, which is far in excess of most people, to focus on quality and then work with people that you want to work with, not everyone uh rather than build an empire where you get to the point where you've got you're so busy feeding the machine that the quality of what you're doing and the other people working for you starts to to fall uh yeah easy for me to say this but i i think if you stick to the boutique quality side and and attract the people that you like working with and then give them a good quality result that's going to be very satisfying for you it'll it'll become financial

rewarding, but most importantly, be able to look yourself in the mirror and your clients in the eye and say, we've done a great job and you're going to do really well out of this. So I think your legacy piece from what you're doing and the approach that you're now taking is ultimately going to be far more rewarding, particularly when you're in a position where your portfolio is funding your lifestyle, you're doing this as a value add to give back to people to help them avoid some of the mistakes that you might have come across. uh and to enjoy the satisfaction of seeing other people achieve their lifestyle goals so but love

what you're doing there mates um i now want to give you a blindfold and cigarette and jump into the old ambush round if i do and uh hit you with the yeah or questions that everyone likes to get your feedback on uh just kick that off what superpower do you wish that you had and why i've had a superpower i'd love to be able to cure cancer and cure disease for little kids that'd be definitely my superpower like money means nothing money's nothing health is everything and why do these people young kids have to suffer i don't understand so yeah that's 100% like i'd give up anything you know like money's nothing you know what when you see people get sick or whatever it is yeah no it's my superpower i'd be able to cure disease like i've got a neighbor who

was in his 40s had passed away not long ago and it's just like it's just too young you know And then my builder friend when he's 50s, you know, like if he had a cure disease, 100%, like that would be my superpower. Love it. Different topic altogether. If you could have coffee with anyone, and that could be someone alive or a dead historical figure, who would you choose and why? Well, because Robert Kurosaki was one of my first books,

I was obsessed with him. I'd have to say Robert Kurosaki because he was one of the early, you know, started off early and he was out there and he's got his games, his cash flow. I still love his books and I'm trying to get my daughter to read his books. His books are great. He's got so much great information and just the basics. When he's poured out a rich dad book, it's this basic, but it's there.

It's all there. Absolutely. There is rich dad poured out for kids, of course. You probably know that. I spent a lot of time with my son when he was young reading that book with him just to get him into the space of thinking the same way because, sadly, the school system doesn't focus much on money or investment, but those sorts of tools are really good.

Jumping subject altogether, if I was to give you $50 million right here, right now, in cold, hard cash, what would you do with it and why? Well, yeah, I'd buy. Probably start having a play with a bit of commercial property and I'd buy probably 25 mil worth of resi. I'd just keep building cash flow, keep building cash flow and build good housing, housing for the people who don't have housing.

So help Melbourne's housing supply. Probably put maybe more than 25 mil into that. Probably put the 50 mil into that because I think there's a big problem in Melbourne at the moment. Housing, there's not enough housing. There's people down in the peninsula living in tents. There's people along the Mullum Creek living in tents. It's just too much.

And I don't think the government can fix it fast enough with, you know, they're trying to build houses. So I think, yeah, probably put it all into housing in Melbourne, probably, to come up with a model similar to the 1B type stuff that I'm doing. You know, maybe sort of like a family model can live in these things or something, try and build affordable housing. Yeah, I love it. The final one, Solomon, I'm a big believer in, you know,

the power of small habits because it's what we do every day that, again, compounds into massive change over time. What's a personal happy habit, rewarding ritual, daily discipline that you've employed that's contributed most to your investment success, do you think? Probably, definitely probably gym every morning and meditation morning and night and picture where you want to be. Because the thing was me, when I was in my early 20s or late teens,

I used to picture probably where I am today and I said to my wife a few times maybe I should have pictured a bit higher you know like had a little bit more a little bit because I pictured where I wanted to be and I'm here but why didn't I picture higher why did why did we have a limit I don't know you know why do I set that standard there I should have pictured higher so yeah meditation like every morning I still meditate and picture where I want my day basically what my day and want my life to be and funny you say that like i do that and you know say people say things come if you do it and action happens funny enough i had a broker come to me the other day and i wasn't even looking for a broker and he come to me and goes we could refinance your situation and i'm

like no no that's all right and anyway because it's not really possible with my surface ability and he goes he has a look at it and he goes yeah we can because uh you got so much rental income and I said to my wife, you've got this guy to call me up. I said, out of the blue, I said, I said, told you, meditation. I picture these things coming in my head. I picture the passive income and it happens. I don't know. I listened to Joe Dispenza and a few other people and talked about mindset

and picturing the way you want your life to be and, you know, yeah, I think it's amazing. So do I. No, that is simply for me, Simon, what we think about is what we bring about, what we focus our attention on is what we make happen. There's no question about that. And people can call it woo-woo or whatever you like, but if we focus on achieving something,

then we're naturally going to be attracted to assisting in making that happen. It's amazing how things change to enable that, mate. So I love that. So just on that, to bring it to a bit of a close then, the final question I always ask guests on the show is, if I ask you to get invested, what does that mean to you? Take action.

Get invested. Take action. Everyone should take action. Yeah, I would just wish more people would take action. Yeah. It's sad. Sometimes it does my head in if so many people sit on the fence and don't take action.

But I've got to the point now, this year, I think I can't change everybody. I can't make people take action. I used to get frustrated with people, but I can't. You can lead a horse to water. I can't make them take action. I've just got to start living my own life a bit more. And last year, I probably spoke to probably a couple hundred people and our clients, and I got to the stage this year where I'm like,

I need a break. I can't make everyone take action. And I know there's so many good opportunities out there, but for that I want, hopefully they start listening to more podcasts and they start taking more action. Turn the news off. Turn the TV off. You don't need that.

Unfortunately, my kids have basically never seen the news. Right, right. Full respect to you, mate, because that's just swimming in negativity. You're never going to do anything if you listen to the noise on the news. Love that. And Simon, for those of you that have really resonated with what you shared today, we're going to make sure we've got all of your contact details and links in the show notes. And I know that you're very generously offering a bit of a challenge to Get Invested listeners by offering them a free discovery call with you. But I always make sure people take some action to earn that.

so the challenge for anyone listening is to send us an email at hello that's h-e-l-l-o at knowhowproperty.com.au and share with us your best takeaway on property investment and achieving your goals from our great conversation with Simon. I'll have the links for that in the show notes as well so we look forward to sharing that and we'll choose one of the lucky listeners to spend some time with Simon and get you motivated to progress your journey in that direction further. So look, thanks heaps, mate, for taking the time to inspire and educate us on your very motivational property investment journey so far. Simon, we'll make sure that we get you back to talk in more detail down the track, because one thing I'm really

confident about is your journey's got a long way to go and you've already demonstrated just how active you are in taking the action and then changing things to make sure that things are working for you and your good family. So I really want to thank you for that. But before we go, if anyone listening would like to keep the conversation going in a very safe and open forum where you can take your property knowledge to the next level by sharing and learning with other like-minded property investors and a bunch of property professionals. You can get all of your property questions answered by joining Eddie the Frenchman, myself and a host of others on the Property Hub Collective Facebook page. Again, just click the link on the show notes and we look

forward to seeing you there. And that brings us to the end of another great episode. So remember to always get invested in your knowledge and your network before you invest in assets. And thanks again for getting invested simon and let's make sure that we keep our conversation going thanks for having me been great thanks for tuning in to get invested on the property hub podcast channel your home for property investment insights and inspiration make sure you subscribe to property hub for free get your weekly dose of get invested inspiration along with every episode of realty talk australia's top online property show for red hot property investing news and insights direct from industry leaders and influencers.

And finally, I'll see you next time.