Provoked with Darryl Cooper and Scott Horton - EP:22 - Epstein's Mossad Connection Proven

Episode Date: November 15, 2025

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there, sir? Yeah, so I've got actually the four headlines right in front of me. I'll just go ahead and read them for everybody who hasn't seen them. Israeli spy stayed for weeks at a time with Jeffrey Epstein in Manhattan. Headline two. Jeffrey Epstein helped broker Israeli security agreement with Mongolia. Headline three. Jeffrey Epstein and the Mossad, how the sex trafficker helped Israel build a back channel to Russia amid Syrian civil war. And Jeffrey Epstein helped Israel. Celis Surveillance State to Hold on, I got to work on my French here. Côte d'Ivois. Ivory Coast.

Now, well, I'm sorry. Let me think for a second. I'm going to stop on the Russia-Syria one. So 15 years ago, during Obama's dirty war for al-Qaeda in Syria, building the caliphate and then destroying it again. It wasn't on my bingo card that deeply involved in those negotiations,

was Jeffrey Epstein representing Israel's interest in talking with the Russians. Can you tell us more about that one for us? Well, it makes sense, you know, because one of the things that we know for sure about Robert Maxwell, that's Jeffrey Epstein's partner in crime, Galane Maxwell, her father. One of the things we know for sure about him is that one of the primary things that he would do for Israeli intelligence was, you know, it's not like he could be a spy. He's like a 350-pound billionaire, famous tabloid mogul guy. You can't go around like in a disguise with glasses and a nose and a mustache or something, right? So that's not what he was up to.

He wasn't doing that kind of thing. What he would do is things like we're talking about right here, the headline you just mentioned. You know, the middle of the Cold War, Israel needs to meet with the Soviet Union. They can't send their, you know, like one of their government ministers to go do it on an official visit because that's going to raise some red flags. It's going to have us calling them, asking them what it's about, et cetera. And so Robert Maxwell, who had a lot of connections behind the Iron Curtain, would help broker those things and set them up behind the scenes,

sometimes relay messages, things like that. And it looks like from, you know, that story there that Jeffrey just kind of picked that up, right where Maxwell left off. So it makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Well, and so for those not familiar, you have done. a lengthy series on Jeffrey Epstein and what all is known about him

with current information as of a couple of years ago now so you have a deep background on the story here a deep basis of understanding the whole context of the thing. So first of all, can we talk about exactly like what would you characterize him as so if we were talking about the CIA

you would say I think he's not a CIA officer right? But he's a CIA agent or an asset asset, yeah. Most people when they say CIA agent, they mean like FBI agent. They mean CIA officer, right? But actually

a CIA agent is more like somebody who's being used by a CIA officer, either whether they know it or not, right? But anyway, so in this case, that's this guy, right? That's what you're saying about Maxwell and about him. Well, they're in business, they're doing this and that and so they can run. But it wouldn't be like

non-official cover. It's a lower rank than that because it's really not a direct employee of the system, but just somebody doing a favor, they'll get their kickback later, something like that. Yeah, or just doing it out of patriotism, you know, not for the countries that those two guys were citizens of, but, you know, for the country that they felt the most affinity with. And, you know, the intelligence agencies need people like this. You know, people with kind of a foot in both worlds, people who can connect them to places that, again, they can't send an official employee to go meet with the guy, you know.

So they're very useful in that sense. You know, one of the things, too, is it does, like, one of the things I mentioned on, on the Tucker show when we had our three-hour conversation about Epstein was that I have my doubts. I'm not saying that this definitely did not happen, but just with the information we had, I have my doubts about the story that he was running, you know, a blackmail, sexual blackmail operation on behalf of Israeli intelligence, simply because. Well, you have a good example here.

Like, it just seems unlikely to me that they're going to mix the guy who carries out this kind of stuff for them with somebody who does something like that, you know? And there were just other things like the fact that, you know, you can't exactly threaten somebody with blackmail for sleeping with an underage girl in your Manhattan penthouse. You know what I mean? Like, that would out you as a, you know, that'd be a problem. And so, like, if he was doing that and there are a lot of indications that maybe he was. engaged in sexual black male, that might have been something he was doing, you know, for himself, like on the side or for other interests, organized crime interests, maybe, who knows, but not necessarily. The person that calls him up and says, hey, guess what we have pictures of that aren't necessarily,

obviously directly connected to him. His job is just getting them laid, so to speak, and then it's somebody else's job to extort them later, you know? Right. Yeah, exactly. And that, you know, again, could have been the case. But what we know for now is that he was absolutely very tied in with the Israeli government and specifically the security services and intelligence agencies over there. We know that he, you know, he's apparently like best friends, I guess, with Ehud Barak. I mean, he would stay at Jeffrey's place in New York for long periods of time. Jeffrey was a big investor in a business that Barack and a bunch of,

tech guys from Unit 8200 set up in 2015, I believe. You know, Epstein was on the board of that company, invested several million dollars into it. And so, you know, you take those personal relationships and then you look at these things that, you know, have been confirmed now, the services he was actually performing for the state. And you got a guy who's like unquestionably an asset, you know. And there's a lot of people that have wanted to have wanted to just deny that for some reason, like every step of the way, despite a lot of circumstantial evidence, well, now we have real evidence and real confirmation that he was,

that he was, you know, very much in cahoots with them. Yeah. So, and I don't know why it matters so much other than just the, my categorization in my own mind. But, you know, there's this book called By Way of Deception by Victor Ostrowski, the former Assad officer. And he describes a level of asset, I mean, man, I haven't read this book in 15 years or something,

Darrell, forgive me, but maybe more than that. Hell, I'm pretty old now. We're having this conversation in the future, aren't we? Yeah, it might have been 25 years since I read that book. But he has a thing in there about, you know, like you're an officer, you're an agent, you're an asset, and then like, you know, one of these levels is kind of more like what I think, the way you described Epstein here was what he called a psineem,

which meant someone who was not really, directly working for Mossad at all, but just a friend of Israel would come to them and say, hey, you're a friend of ours, you have resources, somebody needs to stay the night at your house tonight, or somebody needs to be a ghost employee at your business for six months,

or somebody needs a little favor, a little favor here, there, and, you know, some kind of thing. So maybe this sounds, he's a little higher rank than that. Maybe he's more of an asset sign-in. If I understand it right, would be maybe one rank lower than him in the way these things are. Anyway, whatever.

But clearly we need a little bit of black money for an operation that we can't declare and we'll get it back to you in six months one way or another, that kind of thing. Maxwell definitely did that kind of stuff too. Yeah. I mean, Arnon Milchan, the famous Hollywood producer, I mean, at one point he was helping Benjamin Netanyahu

steal the crytrons for the nuclear triggers from the United States. And Netanyahu was part of that same smuggling ring when they did that. And then, you know, that was also carried out when, gosh, I can't remember. Anyway, when the Israeli intelligence service that was focused on technological espionage. Well, no. So that's like their NSA. This was one that I don't think it exists anymore, actually.

I think they got rid of it after they got, because this was the unit that ran Jonathan Pollard at the same time. And I think after that scandal, they got rid of it, rolled it into one of the other agencies or something, Nekhem is what it was called. I'm sorry, saying it. Neckham, or not com,

depending on how the acronyms, you know, pronounce. It was run by a guy, very famous and Israeli intelligence guy. I can't, for some reason, I can't remember his name right now. But he, Ari Ben Manashe's book, he was Ari Ben Manate, he's, this is a guy who's talked about Epstein and exposed a lot of stuff about Israeli intelligence operations in the United States and Iran-Contra. He was very heavily involved in. And his book, actually, that guy who was the head of Neckham when Jonathan Pollard and the Krytron scandal, stealing scandal was going on with Milchin, he endorsed that book. He said that, you know, he didn't find anything in it that he would take issue with. And, you know, it's a pretty high. endorsement. And, you know, the reason you can get a guy to say something like that is he ended up quitting the Israeli intelligence services like in a huff and a puff because he wanted to be appointed head of the Mossad, but he kind of got out maneuvered and pushed out. So it was sort of missed off. But yeah, I mean, that's a, it's really interesting to think about somebody like Arnall, Arnman, you know, and it, you know, it brings to mind this. I remember when I was working for the DOD back in the day, like once. a year, all of us who had like a secret or top secret clearance, we'd get pulled into a hall

and we would get trained on OPSEC, right? And part of the, part of the training was like internal threats. So people like, what to look for, like co-workers suddenly showing a lot of money and like, you don't know why, just like various things were supposed to, I guess, be spying on and reporting on our coworkers or something. But they're going through. And part of the training is they're telling us about these real espionage cases that happened in the United States over the years. And they lists like eight, nine, ten of them. And out of all of them, there was one case that was like some guy who just was in debt and needed the money or gambling debt, something like that. All of the rest of them were Chinese-American spying for China, Jewish-American spying for Israel,

you know, et cetera, et cetera. And so I raised my hand and asked the uncomfortable question with like 300 people there. And, like, you know, I said, what are we supposed to do with that information? I mean, it seems like you're not talking about this part of it, but obviously, like, this is a part of the story, right? And I give the guy credit because you can tell he was uncomfortable and you do not want that question to come up.

But I'll give him credit because he didn't bullshit everybody. He just said, straight up, he said, we don't take that into consideration. And it's like, all right, at least I got my answer. But, I mean, it just, you know, it goes to show you. lot of the time people think of somebody like Epstein or, you know, Milchin, a lot of these guys that, oh, they're, you know, they're doing it for money, they're doing it for this. Sometimes it's just, it's just straight up loyalty, you know. You know, Ray McGovern, who, he had been the chief of the Soviet division, the analysts,

you know, not a spy officer, but chief of the analysts. And he said, you know, because he's Irish Catholic, he was forbidden from having anything to do with Ireland. They would never ask him, hey, McGovern. You know a lot about Ireland. He's like, yeah, because I learn it from my grandma and you don't want to know what I think. You know what I mean?

Like, that's America's interests are not best represented through Ray McGovern's analysis of the Irish situation. You get somebody Korean to do that. You have Ray look at Korea. Just because on that level, at least at that time, the idea was, yeah, forget political correctness. We're talking about top secret information here, man. you're not trying to just lose all of it.

So you're going to take basic precautions like that. You have even what some jerk would say is a conflict of interest, that's enough, you know, especially just family background, stuff like that should be just basic. But now, tell me more about this guy that you were just talking about because I already forgot the name, but I've seen video interviews of this guy before, this former spy who can you tell us what he has said about Epstein? because I think as far as maybe he hasn't demonstrated, but he claims authoritative knowledge

that, oh, it's all true kind of thing, right? Or what? Yeah, mostly the stuff that he has said with, I guess, enough information, you know, enough information to be something other than just flat innuendo or him kind of speculating. Ari bin Manashe.

Okay. And a lot of the stuff he said with the most detail has to do with operations of the 1980s, Iran-Contra, most specifically, because Ben Manashe was heavily involved in that situation. And he says that Epstein was one of the main guys helping move the money around. Because, I mean, you know, this whole thing was illegal, like on every side. And so, you know, we're not supposed to be selling guns to the Contras. We're not supposed to be selling weapons to the Iranians. And so we have to move huge sums of money around. These aren't briefcases being

moved under the table. You know, this is massive sums of money that had to get laundered in order to make this whole thing work. And so on the, you know, on the, on the Middle Eastern side over there, they had Annan Khashoggi and a few other brokers who were dealing with the Iranians on their behalf. And they had over here, they had Maxwell, they had Epstein, maybe they had others too. You know, this is why you find Epstein right after he gets booted out of Bear Stearns for malfeasance in, I think, 79 or 80. The next year, we've got him on a plane. with Douglas Lees, a weapons broker in the UK, the guy who brokered the Aliyamama deal,

which is still, I think, to this day, with Saudi Arabia, the biggest British weapons deal that they've ever signed. And so he's on a plane to the Pentagon with the guy who brokered that deal like a year out. He's like 29, 30 years old.

And, you know, the question that comes up when you hear that is like, like, what is this guy doing that's like so special that they couldn't just go get like, you know, an actual 50-year-old, like, the expert dude who's like on the up and up, and it's big, you know, they're not using him to do up and up stuff. They're using them as a money launderer. And he's a, he was a very skilled money laundering, apparently. And so, you know, intelligence agencies need

money laundering the same way that organized crime does. I mean, it's like their lifeblood in a lot of ways, you know, because money is just like, that's how that's how gangsters get caught is by the, you know, being sloppy with their money. That's how, uh, intelligence agencies can get caught, very easily as well. And so now, but now this guy has he addressed the honey pots and said that yes, he was doing that on behalf of Israel or not, you know?

He said that, yeah, so he said that he has said that Epstein was doing that, but he hasn't, he didn't put it in any terms that, you know, that, that indicated that he had firsthand knowledge of it,

as he did with the other stuff in the 80s. Nothing specific enough to be checkable. Yeah, he was, yeah, and he was just sort of saying it as like, in a way of like, yeah, he was doing that. Like, everybody knows he was doing that kind of thing.

You know, it wasn't like, we don't know whether. Yeah, we don't know whether he got that from watching this show or whether he's claiming to know that from his access to files. Rumors in the intel community people he's hooked up with. I mean, one of the interesting things about Ben Manashe, because, of course, the Israelis disavow, you know, he was nobody, all of the things that he's saying or lies, et cetera, et cetera. But one of the, you know, things that happened, so when he went public,

They said, oh, this guy was, he was just a, he was a translator. He was chained to a desk in, you know, in Tel Aviv. He was, he never even left the country. Like, this is totally ridiculous. Well, a few years later, this was like 90, 91. He got indicted in the United States for selling, you didn't carry the sale out, like you got arrested beforehand, but for selling a three C-130 aircraft, military aircraft to the Iranians. And he went to court in federal court. You can actually go on to like the pacer website

and read these court documents. Most of them are actually available on there. They're not classified. And he didn't deny doing it at all. He just said, I was doing this like as an agent to the Israeli government with the knowledge of people in your own government. And they let him off on that defense. They believed them and he made the case. And so, you know, a guy who, the fact that the Israelis would deny that this guy was anything at all. He's just some translator chain to a desk. But then we got him, like, involved in selling military aircraft in the United States to Iran, you know, right after Iran-Contra. Like, they're lying for a reason, obviously, you know. All right. So more things about this. The one that I read, man, I've been real busy, god dang.

And I've had a hell of a week. And I had to travel and do the Tim Poole show, which thank you to Tim Poole for having me back on, and he's got such a great group of guys over there, right? Like, I guess he's made such a killing doing this thing. He's got a posse of like 20 dudes, and they're all really cool. And he's got a giant skate park, which I need a bigger ramp skater. I'll get hurt. But I had a great time hanging out with all those dudes and whatever. But anyway, that's my excuse for not having read all of Ryan Grimm's great pieces on this,

because even though I should have read them last week or something and been caught up, I did have time to read one. and it was about Ehud Barak's right-hand man, best guy and how he stayed at Epstein's house in New York for a couple of weeks at a time and they were very close. Much of the article is really demonstrating how close this guy was to Barack.

There's a bit in there about how close he was to Epstein as well. So just another great, you know, example of the circles of intelligence he's in. And now if you want to talk about what's going on there in, I love it, West Africa and Outer Mongolia, man. I want to hear a story about Outer Mongolian, and it just happens to be the Israeli spy America's most prolific child rapist connection there. So go ahead and tell us that.

I mean, you know, what it reminds me of, actually, is back in the 1930s and then later on when, you know, like people started getting arrested during the Red Scare, um, A lot of these people who got arrested, Alger Hiss, great example, like the most famous one, Alger Hiss, he did not, like, think, ah, I got caught being a spy. Like, he did not see himself as a spy. He moved in social circles in the United States that everybody was a fan of the Soviet Union. Everybody thought that, like, this was the wave of the future in the United States and the Soviets need to figure out, like, you know, we'll come their way a little bit on the whole planned economy thing.

they'll come our way a little bit on not murdering millions of people. And like one of these days, you know, there'll be convergence, like with China and the U.S. and we bring them into the WTO, we'll converge, right? And people like Alger Hiss, like he thought of himself is sort of just a back channel diplomat, basically. Kind of like Mark Sykes, the guy who did the Sykes-Pico agreement in, like, because the British have done this for just going back forever. Just some billionaire's son who's sort of a globetrotter and they just have him going around, like making deals, brokering deals. And he's not on anybody's payroll. He's not MI6 or anything like that. He's just sort of a freelance diplomat. And that's how a lot of these fellow travelers, and including people

like Alger Hiss who got convicted for espion, I was like really saw themselves. They did not think of it that way. And I imagine, you know, somebody like Epstein, somebody like Max, well, very much kind of saw it that way too. You know, they sort of looked at it as, I doubt they even thought they were doing anything wrong, you know? And, uh, that's, you know, that's sort of reminds me of the most. I mean, yeah, what, like, the thing that's like got me about this whole story, the whole time, it's like very hard to explain. And maybe this is why he eventually got taken down. Who knows? Uh, is that obviously everybody knew what he was up to, right? Um, as I said in that podcast I did on him, his plane was nicknamed the Lolita Express and he didn't give it that nickname.

people did. So people knew what was going on in there, right? Hey, Sidney McCain, John McCain's wife, who's right now the head of the world, I'm sorry, which is it, the world humanitarian, I'm going to screwed up, but the help me, man, it's the food distribution for the desperate starving Ghazans people. And she was on stage, John McCain's wife, says everybody knew what he was doing. Yeah. But we were all afraid. She says like first person, we were all afraid to say anything, something very close to that.

Yeah. Yeah. And so it's strange to try to imagine, like, you know, this is a guy that you would think an intelligence agency, especially a serious one like the Mossad or whoever he was working with over in Israel at a given point, that they would just see this guy as like too much of a liability and a loose cannon to be working with on these things. But, you know, again, maybe that's why, you know, he didn't live to the dying of death. bed, you know.

Well, yeah, that is true. He didn't have all the age, so. But yeah, so now back to the child abuse because, okay, so the most obvious part of the story, well, wait, one thing first I was going to say was this was, I think Ryan Grimm almost jokes in the beginning of one of these articles, right, that just as Alex Acosta, the prosecutor, the federal prosecutor who let Epstein off easy before. and who was reported to have told Stephen Bannon, who was the source or this lady reporter.

I'm sorry, I forget her name. Vicki Ward. I'm sorry? Vicky Ward. Vicki Ward, exactly, who said that Acosta said that he was told from above that Epstein belongs to intelligence, and that's why to go easy on him.

And just as he's denying that and saying, I never said anything about that, we have all these confirmations. And he was deeply tied to Israeli intelligence. Not so much. I mean, not to play down CIA. Who knows what CIA connections, but maybe Massad and CIA are just one dang thing now. Although you got to guess who took over who. But so that's a good, I like that just ironical part. Like he picked a bad day to lie under oath again about this, you know, when like, yeah, obviously something clearly was

going on here. And he, in other words, he was given license. He was allowed. to get away with this because of who he was and his connections to covert agencies here. And think about what you're saying. Right there. Yeah, we're not talking about like he was allowed to, you know, skate when he got pulled over with a bag of cocaine and a loaded gun in his car or something. We're talking about raping kids. And they let that slide for years, let dozens and dozens of victims, you know,

get hurt this way. When everybody knew it was going on because of just who the guy was. and who he was connected to. And I think that's one of the things that, you know, that's really the part of the story that grabs people's attention so much and why people can't let it go. And it has less to do with, you know, what was the actual thing that, like, Epstein, like his specific crimes or whatever.

It's more like, what is the culture that prevails, like, among the people making these decisions that this is considered somehow acceptable or normal at all? Like when every single person that I know, if they came across a dude, you know, if they got invited to a guy's house and, you know, there's five underage girls there who are not his daughters or nieces or anything like that and they come out offering you a massage, every single dude I know would just beat the hell out of that guy or call the police. And apparently none of these people ever thought of doing that, you know, not Bill Clinton, not any of these people. And so people just are, you know, they're right to wonder like, what? What exactly is the culture that is prevailing among the elites that's something like that you could like point to this guy and say this, he, his plane's called the Lolita Express. We all know what goes on out at his island. Oh, Bill Clinton's going out there again. Tee-he-he-he.

And it's just all good, you know. And at a time when people feel and have felt for a long time that the ruling class like just does not represent the people in any way anymore. seeing that like not just in a you know in a financial way or when you know it's a foreign policy issue or something something where it's a real moral disconnect between regular people because i think everybody like watching this right now would say yeah that's the same with me every single person i know would react with horror to that and they would not keep their mouths shut period right and yet you couldn't find a single one of these people to speak out and um it just you know, yeah, it heightens that sense

that we're not just dealing with people who have like their own financial or imperial interests that are different from ours and that they're willing to sacrifice ours for, but that these people are operating on a whole different moral plane than the rest of us. Yeah, of course there. Look, Bill Clinton is an absolute

base biting rapist murderer, but like on a personal level, I mean, they're all murderers, but on a personal level, you know, the story of Juanita Broderick, and you can follow her on Twitter. And, you know, at the time, they covered this up during his impeachment and Senate trial at the end of 1998 and then to the beginning of 1999. And Juanita Broderick's story was he savagely raped her when he was the Attorney General of Arkansas in a hotel in 1978.

He punched her in the head, knocked her hour, you know, dazed or whatever, punched her really hard. And he raped her and savagely bitter on the face like an animal while he was raping her. And he mocked or say, hey, you better put some ice on that, darling, before he left the room. And her friend, Tanya, something I believe was, found her with her panty hose ripped, her face all swollen from where he bid her, everything verified, dude, guilty. And she did not try to press charges or make a thing out of this. And there were rumors about this in Arkansas. Republicans in Arkansas tried to use it against Bill Clinton,

try to get her to come forward against him. And she would not do that because she's afraid of the guy. He's the attorney general. and then he's a governor. So she's terrified of this guy in his power, of course. And then she also, like Bill Clinton, lied in the Paula Jones deposition and said, nope, never happened. I don't know what you're talking about.

Leave me out of this. But then when they did the Ken Starr investigation, the Independent Counsel, her son was a lawyer. And her son told her, you can't lie to a federal grand jury no matter what. You have to tell the truth this time. So she did. But they made it a tiny little footnote in the Star report. and she was Jane Doe number five. And you don't need to know anything about that.

And even though every reporter was clamoring to get an interview with her, and she refused to do it and refused to it. And finally she sat down with Lisa Myers of NBC News. And you can watch this on YouTube. She gave the most credible interview you ever saw. She never sued Bill Clinton for a single cent, only for her FBI file, because she knew he had the secret police following her around.

So she was suing over that. She never sued for a dime. She never saw any money or fame or any kind of thing that you could try to use against her in any way whatsoever. She sat down with Lisa Myers. She gave the interview and then NBC buried it until the Senate trial was over. For weeks and weeks and weeks, they buried it.

After she put her trust in this woman and they buried it. And then finally, after the Senate acquittal, it ran in the Wall Street Journal. They went ahead and interviewed her and it ran there. but on the editorial page, too little, too late, and Bill Clinton got away and then launched a war against Serbia a couple of weeks later to celebrate his victory there.

So, yeah, would Bill Clinton savagely bite a woman on the face as he raped, or of course he would? Like, what do you do that to a child? Well, we don't know, but I don't know, Daryl. Seems like he's already demonstrated his character there. And then, of course, we saw how he was as president, you know never satisfied with enough dead corpses on his watch so yeah and then so wait no I got to ask you questions because I'm just rant about how much I hate Bill Clinton

what a face-biting rapist scumbag he is but the thing of it is this though um we know a lot I think about Epstein's behavior at his place down in Florida this is where he's getting he's Palm Beach and he's getting poor, you know, quote unquote white trash girls from the poor side of, I guess, West Palm Beach and kind of recruiting them to come. And then he's like tricking them, oh, I'm going to get a massage and then he abuses them and this kind of thing. And that's what he got in trouble for. Then we also know he's got this ranch out in New Mexico where Bill Richardson used to like to go, former UN Ambassador Secretary of Energy, a 9-11 document stealer and Destroyer.

And, no, that was Sandy Burger, sorry. Andy Burger, yeah. And, but anyway, and then we know he had the, the Pricious Mansion in all of New York City was given to him by Les, Les Wexner, right? And then he had the private island. And now I guess

the only insight I've gained recently about the island is, I think we talked about this. Wired Magazine showed a heat map. of all the cell phones going to the island during these times and how it was a lot of people and from every fancy pants place like Aspen or Martha's Vineyard, including people from Austin, Texas, and he's traveling, you know, he's tracking these phones as people are going to the helicopter pad. There's like a marina where you can take a boat over there. You can take a helicopter over there. Now, there's a joke on Always Sunny where Danny DeVita goes, yeah, I went to the sex eye.

Island and everything, but I swear I didn't do anything. We just went snorkeling. So that's possible, right? That, like, maybe this is just a very private exclusive resort island where very fancy pants people go and not everybody is in on some satanic ritual child abuse cult, or maybe it's not that at all. Maybe just some people are raping kids because they think it's fun and it doesn't have anything to do with worshipping Lucifer.

But maybe it does. Like, I don't know. I don't want to rule out anything when it comes to, you look, Look at how far this is gone, but it looks like there was a big entrapment operation going on. He's really compromising powerful business leaders and academics and politicians and such, that that's where it's happening, is out at the ranch in New York and on the island, which, from what I know, which is very rudimentary about this, it's Palm Beach is where we know most about his abusive girl.

So the question I'm trying to get to is, what do we know about his abuse of girls in New Mexico, in New York, on the island that we know for sure? So not as much, especially the island. I mean, there's things out there are, you know, there's some testimony from some of the victims like Virginia Roberts, Virginia Jewfrey, who talked about her experiences out there. But as far as, you know, the bulk of it, New Mexico, I'm not sure. sure if we actually even have anything necessarily there. We do it as place in in Ohio. It was actually at Les Wexner's house. Epstein's house was behind Wexner's. It was the first and second largest and most expensive house in the state of Ohio. And at Wexner's place, a girl alleged that Epstein raped her in Wexner's house. And then the New York place, there are some, you know,

there are some, I want to say rumors, but things that are a little light on detail. And so, like you said, the West Palm Beach place is where we have, I mean, dozens of witnesses, dozens of girls who, you know, independently corroborate each other's stories and everything. Now, and those stories are all about him? Or they're about guests over there, too? Yes, there's a lot of them that tell stories about guests. And a lot of them actually tell stories about the same guests, like independently, you know, and they're not like three girls who became friends, like,

through this thing and these are independent witnesses who are naming people like Alan Dershowitz and you know he's one of the ones i think he came up three times three separate witnesses and you talk about Danny DeVito's uh line in that show i mean Dershowitz literally had a line pretty much like that he said yeah yeah i got a i got a massage from one of those girls but i kept my underwear on yeah although i think goofri or jew free or whatever you say her name she retracted her Yeah, this is one of the problems. I mean, this is, there's a reason that Epstein went and targeted the kinds of girls that he did, you know, um, strippers say a lot of things, I guess, right?

Yeah, and yeah, and especially after they've been sexually assaulted, like these girls are very often messed up, you know what I mean? Like, a lot of them have substance abuse problems later, um, you know, just depression, other, other issues that make them say one thing one day, one day another, or at the very least, even if they, keep their stories straight. You can kind of point to other things in their life that makes them unreliable or something. And so there's a, you know, there's a reason he targeted people like that. I mean, the main one probably being that these are girls who like don't have a strong family structure back home with a father and a couple brothers that are going to come beat the

hell out of the guy that's been entertaining their, you know, their sister and daughter. And the one time that he did do that, there was a couple of sisters, the one time he did actually bring in a couple girls who were they had a totally intact normal family that's one of the first things that like got the ball rolling they went home and told their parents what was going on and they called the police and got that rolling so they target those type of people on purpose sexual predators always do um and you know like the thing i don't get about all the people hanging out with them because like yeah okay so i imagine that like epstein was like a very astute reader of human beings, you know, he's like all con men are. He probably was,

evaluating every person that he was bringing into his orbit and thinking, yeah, I can't, I can't try this on him. That's not going to work. I'm just going to build a relationship with this guy and try to like, you know, like, and so I'm sure he targeted people based on what he felt were their vulnerabilities. And so some of them weren't involved in all of that, any of that kind of stuff. But still, I just have to think, like, all of the, people that we're talking about. I mean, not some of the academics and stuff, like, you know, they might not. But the people in Washington, the really the big business elites, people like Alan Dershowitz, these people have assistants and publicists and whatever. And if Daryl Cooper was to call him up and say, hey, I want to do an interview with that guy, they'd be like, oh, no, sir, you cannot talk to that Holocaust denying Nazi evil, terrible person, Daryl Cooper. It'll be just look terrible for you. But you can go talk to Epstein. It's fine. Like, they apparently, either didn't have anybody saying that, you know, this guy is a convicted, a child sex offender, maybe just you don't want that. You know, you don't want to be on his plane. And the only,

the only, as long as he's not discrediting the war party, it's cool. Well, and the only answer that I can come up with that really makes that make any sense, just even from their own self-interest. Like, forget about, like, the morality of it. It's just that they, again, like, in the circles that they moved in like this stuff was not that big a deal you know i mean i think about like in afghanistan right i remember reading a story once about um a bunch of rangers got sent out to go put down an uprising in a village small town or village uh in afghanistan not you know just out in the countryside that uh was in like an uprising because the u.s occupation forces had forced them to have a certain number of women on like the town council and like in the town

government and stuff and they weren't having it and so they were refusing to obey and when you know some people tried to force it there was some violence and so they sent the rangers out there to go put down this rebellion and reinforce like this change in policy you know to get those women in there and so uh so i read that and the first thing came to my mind was how you know if you go back to the 1990s, and you can read this in the New York Times. I mean, it's on their Wikipedia page, you know, that the Taliban banned the practice of Bacabazi, which is just systematic abuse of these little boys that they- How they came to power. Yeah, and they literally had death squads rolling around, like killing people for engaging in it. And it had been, you know, not like

completely wiped out, but shoved underground like big time when we moved in there. And you can go read a New York Times piece from, I think it's maybe like 2007, 2007, 2008, talking about how the two, it was the funny, like, they were framing it as if this was like reflecting badly on the Taliban, that the Taliban was using children to commit terrorist acts to kill police commanders and police officers. And you read the story, like, that's the headline. That's sort of like the way it's framed. But the story itself is very straightforward. It's that these were child sex slaves.

that were being held at like all the different police stations, police checkpoints. And they actually said that there, it was, it wasn't just something that was sort of known about. It was like every single station, every single checkpoint, to the point that when people got hired, when they were like going to take a job, they demanded that as like part of their benefits of being there, right? And the Taliban were going to some of these kids and being like, hey, you know, here's a gun, like just shoot to your guy when you can and then come out and we'll protect you. And they framed it as if the Taliban were like using child soldiers or something instead of helping these kids escape. And so I think about like that, you know, the reemergence of Bacabazi under U.S. occupation and how that U.S. Army captain got kicked out of the army at first.

He ended up getting reinstated and all that kind of stuff because there was public furor over it. But, you know, he found a Afghan commander raping a child. And so he did what any red-blooded American would do. He'd beat the shit out of him. And he got told. And then there was not just him, like there were stand downs that went out to U.S. soldiers training that went out to them and said, look, you know, I know it's crazy to us.

It's bad. It's evil. All that kind of thing. We are not here to change their culture in that way. And if we start getting involved in this, it's just going to compromise the mission. You just have to look the other way. But we're willing to send Rangers out to that village to make sure that they have enough women on their town council.

And it just kind of shows, like, what the moral priorities of these people are, you know, and they're very twisted, very different from the rest of us. One more I have to add to that is that there's three Marines. We're working out in the gym and were shot in the back by the child sex slave of the police chief that they had installed in power. Send your son to war and that's how he dies. Well, see, your son's job was installing a police chief who was a serial child rapist and then one of them grabbed an AK-47 and shot your son in the back.

But he died a hero for his country, though. You imagine like the Taliban propaganda had to just write itself. It's like we had wiped out the opium farmers. We had put a put the kibosh on Bacabazi. And now look, the Americans came in and all the kids are getting raped by every police officer and every police station. And heroines are our main economic output again. But I mean, all the guys just rights itself. Yeah, absolutely.

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So now someone asked in the chat there, I wonder what Horton has against Mertaza Hussein, who's Ryan Grimm's co-author. Oh, and I was going to try to ask you one more time about Mongolia and Ivory Coast. If you got something there, you can add that in here. But I wanted to say, and this can lead into our next subject, Mertaza Hussein, who wrote these articles with Ryan Grim, I don't like him because he helped Abu Muhammad Al Jalani,

aka Muhammad al-Shara, to launder his reputation in a softball interview back in 2016 about, oh, you're not really with Al-Qaeda anymore, right? He didn't even ask him that. He didn't ask him about September 11th. He didn't ask him about any of this stuff. It was this whole, you know, Turkish and CIA and, I guess, Israeli public relations rehabilitation campaign for this coup, who is now the dictator of Syria.

They call him the president like he stood for a popular election or something. Anyway, I'm never forgiving him for that. I have always called him Murtaza al-Qaeda. And, you know, as soon as he begs forgiveness for interviewing a guy sworn blood oath loyal to Osama bin Laden and Abu Muzab al-Zarkawi and didn't ask him. him a word about September 11th or the role of al-Qaeda in Iraq as the suicide bomber, vanguard, bleeding edge, lunatic edge of the Sunni-based insurgency that killed four thousand of our guys in Iraq War II.

And instead said, oh, you're going to be a nice, progressive, inclusive leader for the new Syria, huh, makes him dead to me, even though I had interviewed him about a couple of things before that. So that's the answer to that. And speaking of Abu Mohammed al-Jolani, Daryl, Donald Trump met with. them in the Oval Office and sprayed him with perfume and like flirted with him about I wonder how many wives you have and how cute they are and what and then tell me that this ain't right because I didn't I only heard about this secondhand and I hope that it was false hearsay and a irresponsible rumor

for me to monger here but is it right that he played basketball with American GIs? Yeah that's what that's what I read yeah and I believe the white house meeting took place on veterans day which just feels like a real, like, poke in the eye to, I mean, any veteran out there. I'll tell you this, though, you got a Dr. Pepper Handy because you're going to need it, because I'm about to piss you are. I'm going to piss off a lot of the audience here. But don't hear what I'm not saying. Like, I'm not defending this guy.

But I have kind of mixed feelings on what, like, what the right move is in the situation as it is right now, right? It ain't going to be in the Oval Office. Like, when you look at. Syria and you say, like, who's going to run the country? Who's going to run that country? If it's not a guy who can at least keep the thousands and tens of thousands of crazy jihadist dudes with guns on some kind of a leash, then, you know, then the place is either going to, it's going to break down into civil war again. And like, you know, our focus at this point, I mean, maybe we Americans should just probably stay the hell away from Syria for the next 50 years.

And his god are murdering people right now. They're killing Christians and Alawites and Jordan. Yeah, that's true. But he's jihadi stuff all day. So I've heard, obviously, I've seen the videos. I've read all about that stuff. Like, I've heard from people, like, for example, like, I know a guy, he's, well, he's RFK's foreign policy advisor for the Middle East.

And he's Syrian, and he's been spent a lot of time in Damascus, like, in, you know, the last two years. And I've talked to him about this situation a bit. And he does, he's same thing. He doesn't deny like Alshara's past, any of that kind of stuff. With regard to like the massacres that are taking place, I mean, he does say, and I've heard this from others as well, like this is not, this is not the government directing these things.

This is, this is an extremely weak government that does not have control over all of the guys who brought it to power. And if, if they go like too far and, you know, the, like, it's just, he's walking like a very extreme tightrope. And so if we have, if we look at the country and we say the only, the only person who's going to run the country is going to be somebody who can command these jihadist militias. That's just how it is, unless we want to go in there and invade the place again or something. And so if we have one of these guys who at least is making noises like he wants to keep them on enough of a lease to be able to reestablish relations with the rest of the world,

is that the best we can hope for at this point? If our, our focus, is, you know, forget about Syria's position, geopolitical position and all that kind of stuff. Syria is still broken down at this point that, like, that's the question for another decade. Right now, it's that these people have been going through hell for 15 years, the people who lived in, regular people. And how do we stabilize it?

Look, the thing is, America had the place under a total blockade, an economic war. We got troops occupying the wheat and oil field in the east, propping up the Kurds to separate. them in a massive economic war to crush the Baptist regime so that they be helpless and, you know, against the bin Ladenites,

you know, hold up in the Idlib province since 2016. 100%. Yeah. So, and then it was, we know, because they took credit for it. It was Erdogan and Biden and Netanyahu that activated Jolani to seize the capital in, you know, one year ago at the end of last November and into December there.

And, you know, without the, without Hezbollah or Russia there to help them at that point, they were quickly routed. But that ain't popular sovereignty, man, I mean, this whole thing was an invasion by American and Saudi and Turkish and Israeli and Qatari backed

Merks this whole time since 2011. No doubt. By the chief jihadi himself, Barack Obama, and his deputy John Brennan, and they're the ones who've done this to Syria. So this guy sees in power whatever if you want to start the story at the middle of last December and say okay well the guys he

Joe Biden did this it's not Trump's fault it's not our it's not 2025's fault this is the situation that we're stuck in you want to lift the sanctions and normalize relations encourage the Kurds to somehow strike a deal encourage you know maybe put some kind of pressure on the new regime to hands off the Alawites and the Christians and whatever and get the hell out of there as best as possible, fine. But bringing the guy to the Oval Office and treating him like he's some kind of hero.

And this is a guy who admits that he was inspired to join the jihad by the September 11th attack. 3,000 dead American civilians. And he was like, yeah, man, I want in on this war now. Is how he got his start. And then he went,

He's a Saudi born in Syria. Then he went to Iraq War II, one of the foreign fighters fighting with Zarkawi and the suicide bomber brigades. And he told Frontline that he bought Americans in Mosul and Ramadi. And presumably...

What did Trump say? He had a tough past. He was a very tough past. He had a very tough... He was a very handsome guy with a very tough past. And then he was in Camp Bucca and, you know, I don't know, man.

People have different levels. of conspiracy theory about this and that, you know, CIA took over this group at this time already. I don't really think that that's right. I don't think Baghdadi was CIA. But when the war kicked off in Syria, Baghdadi, Abu Bakhtadi was then the head of the bin Ladenites, sent Jolani his deputy to go and lead the fight in Syria. I mean, this was literally the second direct successor to Zarqawi was the boss of this guy and sent him to Syria to lead the revolution. And people are, I hope, very familiar with the email from Jake Sullivan, who had been Hillary Clinton's national security advisor at the time when she was Secretary of State,

or I forget exactly what you call his position, but when she was Secretary of State, he was her advisor. And he wrote to her, see the attached news story here, AQ is on our side in Syria. And Attach was a story from Reuters about how I'm in Al-Zawahari, had endorsed the revolution and said all true Muslims, meaning bin Ladenites of his persuasion, should go there and fight to kill the atheist, evil, secular, satanic bathists there. And then there is an interview, sorry I'm rambling, but I'll be done quick. There's an interview on CBS News from February the 28th, 2012, so one year into the covert operation on behalf of these coops.

and Wyatt something from CBS asks Hillary Clinton why aren't we doing more to overthrow Assad and she says well one our friends of Syria meeting yesterday fell apart we have no government in exile to install and power there it's not working

ever since Liz Cheney led the effort to build up the Muslim Brotherhood to be the government replacement forgotten history that didn't work either and Hillary Clinton's trice didn't work either so she says we don't really have an organized force to put in there. And then she says, and plus, we know that Hamas and

al-Qaeda have endorsed the revolution in Syria. So were we back in al-Qaeda in Syria? Are we back in Hamas in Syria? Which Hamas wasn't there, but they had endorsed it, I guess, which was idiotic of them for the position they were in, but ruined their ties with Iran for a while. But she said it right there. We know why not to do this, because this will benefit Shalani. And then at the end of that year in December that year, guess what? It was Robert Kagan's wife, Victoria Newland, serving a spokeswoman for the State Department who put out a thing, people can Google this right now. It'll come right up that the Jabhat al-Nusra is just an alias for al-Qaida in Iraq. And that's your great key word there, alias, because that's, you know, people don't use that

much for groups, you know what I mean? Usually just for people. So Newland. Alias, Nusra, and there it is. The worst suicide bomber, head chopper bin Ladenite edge of the Sunni insurgency in Iraq War II are now the heroes in Syria, even though you might remember, Darrell, so your buddies were involved in all this stuff. We still had troops occupying Iraq through the end of 2011. But we're already got the war kicked off on the other side of the line where Al Qaeda are the good guys. And then, you know, CIA stayed and we're still doing drone strikes in 2012, Jason Ditsyni from anti-war.com.

We would joke on the show that they were doing these drone strikes against al-Qaeda, but they're deliberately missing and just striking right at their heels to chase them west into Syria, where they're heroic, moderate rebels taking on the evil tyranny. So, worst of all worlds, yes, all Obama's, yes, all Biden's fault, too. And Donald Trump could have done something about this when he was in power for four years before and didn't. and um so um and then to your point about well okay well whatever we're here now we got to deal with this guy fine but there ain't nothing so moderate about him other than they dressed him up in a monkey suit he's still literally a head chopper and all of his guys are head choppers and if he really is going to kow to america and israel this bad his own guys are going to kill him and replace that that that obviously is the tough part you know we're already here is finding a guy who

I mean, just like Hillary Clinton said, like the only organized force, like military force in that country are head chopper jihadist types. Like that's it. And, you know, I mean, he very well may get clipped by either one of our guys or one of the jihadists or by the Israelis or by us one of these days. And like, I'm sure he's very aware of that. And I wouldn't want to be in his position, especially given the fact that, you know, he rode to power on the backs of a bunch of lunatics. And now they got to worry about like, how do we keep the water running and how do we clear the trash off the streets and stuff, you know, actual government stuff that these people have no experience in. And so, you know, it's a, it's obviously he's in a very precarious situation. I do wonder though, like, first of all, actually, let me say, I'm very sympathetic to your point about like, yeah, if you want to start the story, you know, a year and a half ago or whatever. I hate when people do that with, you know, the Israel-Palestinian situation, for example, you know, the Israelis. strike all year and then there's an attack by Hamas that, you know, fires back and it's Hamas attacks Israel. You start to stress. I hate when that happens. And I, I sympathize with, like, you know, having resistance to it in this case. But, like, I'm just trying to think of, like, you know, you have to have somebody that's going to at least possibly have credibility with the only organized, armed people in that country. And if it's a guy, even for his own, he just wants to be in power.

For his own self-preservation, he's making, you know, gestures of sort of diplomacy to, you know, to the rest of the world. You know, if, like, just maybe that's the best we can hope for, you know. And as far as, like, bringing him in and having him play basketball with vets, that's obscene. It's kind of par for the course at this point. but it's totally obscene, especially doing it on Veterans Day is crazy. As far as him visiting the White House, though, like, I wonder, you know, you remember

right after he took power, the Israelis, like, that night basically were like, oh, sweet, Assad's gone, and they just, they bombed everything in that country. I mean, they bombed the, you know, at first they were like, oh, we're just bombing, like, these strategic weapons that we don't want jihadists to have their hands. They blew up the Ministry of Defense building. They were just going to have. Yeah.

Yeah. And so, you know, it may be like us telling Israel, like, look, we're going to let this play out. Like, we're going to see what this guy's really about and you're not going to do this crap. Like, you're going to let this play out too. We're bringing them to the White House and that's like a signal to you that you're going to do that. Like, I'm sure it's just probably something, you know, that kind of diplomacy. Look, it makes me sick to my stomach. I mean, it's when when in 2011, when our government, when, when the Obama administration put us on the same side as al-Qaeda, 10 years after 9-11, they should have, the entire administration, everybody involved with that, should have been hung for treason. I mean, that's how I feel about that. It started in 06.

It started under Bush, the redirection in 2000. Okay, yeah, there you go. I mean, like, the, the, yeah, so I feel the same way that you do about the same level of disgust about it. I just, I try to keep my focus on, like, you know, forget about what I'm pissed off about as an American. Forget about the fact that, like, there's all these things that I can't swallow.

Like, what is the, what is the shortest point, you know, the shortest, the shortest route that will possibly, you know, just have a chance of bringing some stability to the action, normal people who live in that country.

And I mean, and so I don't know. I mean, having this guy in power, I mean, obviously, like, you know, maybe it improves stability from zero to percent to 10 percent or something. I don't know. And maybe that's totally meaningless that people live there. But I just don't know what else to do.

I mean, I do think, to your point, the right thing probably for America to do, you know, if we went, if we had Turkey and we had Israel, these other countries in our ears saying, look, we're not, after everything has happened, after we've just spent the last, you know, 15 years whipping up our entire Sunni region against. the Assad regime. We're not, this guy's not staying in power. Like one way or another, he's not, we're not tolerating that. We probably should have just been like, you know what, then? Pontius pilot that shit. And like, that would be evil too because we obviously created the situation. But like the, at a certain point, maybe the right thing to do would have just been like,

you know what, you guys have your fun then, but don't count on us. We're not going to be involved with this anymore. But, you know, I don't know if that would have been more. the right move either just because of our you know the hand we played and in some part at some point you just got to call it off man it's like finding the right way to quit smoking cigarettes do or get out of that yeah you got to just stop all right listen um we're going to do a few superchats and then get out of here but um before that i wanted to say real real quickly because it is important um about elijah shafer um this you know conservative or kind of right populist podcaster

who he retweeted, I think, somebody else saying that Cash Patel's girlfriend is a Mossad Honeypot and now they're suing him and then they put his home address in the court documents where they're suing him and doxed him. There's the Attorney General

the United States, his girlfriend's lawsuit against him. So he wrote a thing on Twitter last night saying, you know, he's desperate he had to get out of his house, get his family out of the house and like has a legal defense fund and, you know,

I'd like to just go ahead and I'll go ahead and put words in everybody's mouth. We all believe in free speech, especially for people we hate. Okay? Well, we got to definitely defend free speech when it's friends of ours who are getting persecuted. I mean, this is unbelievable stuff. Imagine, seriously, the Department of Justice once removed coming after you in that way. I'm like, wasn't the suit for $500,000 or $5 million or $5 million? $5 million, I believe, yeah.

Absolutely ridiculous, dude. They're trying to destroy this man's life over a retweet. Yeah. I mean, this is some, you would expect this kind of behavior from a Democrat. I mean, it's the kind of lawfare that we complained about with the Democrats, you know, the entire time that they were in power. So, and the first Trump administration. I retweeted Elijah Schaefer and people can look him up. He's just known as E, I think, because his name is so banned, but you could find him on Twitter there.

um and and help support i mean that's just messed up and help spread the word about it like do people know that this is really going on maybe people assume how is there nobody in cash betel's ear nobody in the administration who's like look yeah this guy like if you were a civilian like do your thing but like this does not you can't do this it's crazy to me that like they're you know talk about like with the epstein stuff like what is the prevailing culture that something like this is acceptable right there's nobody getting in their ears saying that idea, boss. It makes you wonder that about the administration, honestly. And you know, I think among just people out in the world, people might think, well, man,

that's terrible that that's happening. But I'm sure somebody with wealth and importance and power has his back. But like, we don't know that. You know what I mean? I don't know that. It doesn't happen on our side, man. Yeah, like, who says he's got a great lawyer? I don't know that he's got a great lawyer. You know, maybe we shouldn't get in touch with him, but he's under assault, and at the very least he needs everybody tweeting on his side and letting everyone know that absolutely do consensuses with this guy, you know? There's no way we're going to let y'all do this. And because, look, let's say you for whatever reason really don't like this guy. Well, whatever, there but for the grace of Jesus goes you next week, pal, if we don't all defend

free speech. Seriously, it's really important. And, like, she's a public person. She's a she has no leg to stand on. I don't even know she could sue for this in England, man, but certainly not in the United States. Can she clear the hurdle here? Or, you know, maybe she can through corruption, but not under actual American legal standards for what is free speech and what is not.

He would have to, she would have to prove that he knew what he said was wrong when he said it and that it was meant to deliberately destroy her reputation and it was all premeditated and in writing and all this. No. Yeah, right. The process is the punishment, man. I don't think they think they can win in court.

That's not the point. The points to get his home address in those court documents, it's to make him spend his life savings on some lawyers to defend against this crowd. Like, that's what it's for. Sick. No, man, this is absolutely intolerable. All right, let's do some super chats and then run. In reverse order here, props to me for putting up with Tim Pool yelling over everyone.

Yeah, that's true. He's all right, though. I like the dude. He's a skateboarder, man. He says funny things. Big theory. Rob Maxwell gives Israel promise text so Israel can observe, manipulate markets to produce independent American billionaires like Ackman who interred control politics for Israel.

Interesting. A little bit of insider trading and rig into the system there. I wouldn't doubt it. Yeah, it's, you know, the promise software stuff, Maxwell was heavily involved in that. And he almost certainly did what the comment. just said, like, it's an extremely complicated story, and so it's hard to unravel all the different, you know, bits of evidence from, like, what's circumstantial from what's proven, all that kind of stuff. But I mean, the circumstantial evidence is pretty overwhelming for sure that he was, you know, that because, you know, it was part of his publishing empire. We didn't just publish books and stuff. He published or newspapers. He published scientific papers. You saw that, I don't know if you've seen that movie. It's actually a really good movie about Tetris. It's about like, Oh, I did. Isn't that great?

Yeah. Yeah. And so like he was, he wanted to buy Tetris, the video game, you know? And he had these, a lot of his business was bringing stuff from behind the eastern block out into the West, scientific papers, things like that. And so he was into like, when you say publishing software, things like that, were part of that. And he was definitely involved in distributing and, uh, brokering sales of, uh, the promise software, which is like, you know, something that sounds very, um,

primitive nowadays, you know, is a day. database software that allowed people. This is like in the 1980s. So computers are not, you know, you got your 286 IBM compatible, like whatever, 25 megahertz machines and your dot matrix printers and stuff. But you got to think, like, if you get somebody at a police station or an intelligence agency, you get a name or something like that. And you want to find out what this guy is in 1960, you got to work the phones, you know.

And so to have it where you actually have a database that you can cross-reference and everybody is just a common system that you very, very easy to sell to a lot of security services, a lot of intelligence agencies, and, you know, the allegation over the years, and it's, it's fairly well substantiated, I think, is that, you know, we were selling this with a backdoor built in so that, you know, U.S. and through Maxwell, Israeli intelligence would be able to access it. And, you know, there were, there was an incident like this before for decades. Like, This was crazy that like, I mean, you know, just from the standpoint of like a success of intelligence operations, you actually got to give the CIA credit on this one. They purchased this, like the world's leading, it's like in the 1950s, the world's leading manufacturer of cryptography hardware.

And the CIA owned it. And they were selling it to like foreign governments all over the world and everything. And it came out like 20, 30 years later. They finally got found out and had to sell off to some. normal person or whatever. But yeah, the CIA was selling the cryptography software to like Eastern Bloc countries, like they're all over the place. And so they had done stuff like this before and Promise was kind of just the computerized version of that operation. All right. Rick Gibbs, old friend of mine from back in history for Daryl, have you heard back

from the young woman from your podcast, a letter from a young Palestinian girl, prayers for her and her family. Indeed. Not in about a year and a half. Yeah. So I reached out to her one time after that, heard back from her one time after that. At the time,

as far as she knew, her family was still alive because her whole family was still in Gaza. I don't know what their status is now. I've reached out to her a few more times and I haven't heard back. So I will keep everybody updated, though, if I do.

All right, cool. Well, listen, man, I think we should call it quits. We're a bit over an hour here. and I don't know how to pronounce the word in that last question. So I think that'll be provoked. Oh, no. What? Say that again?

My French, you know, Cotte d'Ivois. Oh, no, this was. I already embarrassed myself once earlier. Dude, like, in my whole World War II series I'm doing now, every time I have to say a French name or any kind of a French term or town or something, I just, like, cross myself because I just can't do it. I don't understand how anybody speaks that language. It makes no sense to me.

Yeah. Oh, you know what? Someone just mentioned this. I have to add before we cut out here, Tucker Carlson has a huge breaking story on Thomas Crooks. Yeah, we can talk about that next week because I haven't had a chance to check that out yet. Yes, and let me just say, there's one very best reporter in the country on that story, and his name is Ken Silva from Headline USA and the Libertarian Institute, and we're publishing his book on this subject very soon. So this morning, or last night he sent me a thing,

damn it, I guess I'm going to have to add a post script now because his book is about ready to go here. But so this will be a very important little addendum for the end of his book, some of the scoops and this thing. So everybody, if you're registered at Tucker's website, you can look at that. I'm not sure if it's already out on his YouTube, the whole thing. It is, I think, on Twitter at least, yeah. Huge stuff there about this kid and potential motives

and potential involvement of others and lowercase p potential involvement of others, but it's there. So anyway, everybody go look at that. And listen, I'm wearing the wrong institute sweatshirt today. I love Mises, but it's libertarian institute.org. That's the good stuff. And subscribe.martermade.com.

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