Provoked with Darryl Cooper and Scott Horton - EP:29 - Bombing Iran Again?!

Episode Date: January 3, 2026

In this episode, Scott Horton and Daryl Cooper dissect the intricate geopolitical tensions surrounding Iran as the specter of American military intervention looms large. Their conversation opens with a focus on recent protests in Iran, examining how mainstream media's enthusiastic endorsement of revolution contrasts sharply with the realities of the region’s deep economic strife and dissatisfaction. As they explore the potential for U.S. involvement, they draw critical parallels to devastating interventions in Libya and Syria, prompting a discussion on the cycle of violence and instability that often follows foreign meddling in sovereign nations. They highlight how U.S. foreign policy has evolved into a militarized approach that neglects the nuances of local dynamics and the complex relationship between the Iranian government and its citizens. The duo critiques the narratives perpetuated by Western media, underscoring the dangers of framing interventions as altruistic endeavors rather than acknowledging the potential for chaos and division that such actions may create. Horton and Cooper emphasize the necessity of historical awareness and accountability, warning against the repetition of past mistakes by subsequent generations. Concluding the episode, they advocate for a discerning approach to understanding liberation movements versus colonialism disguised as humanitarian aid, urging listeners to remain critically engaged with the narratives that shape public perception. Their insightful dialogue underlines the importance of fostering genuine human rights advocacy without unwarranted interference in other nations’ affairs, resonating powerfully amidst contemporary global uncertainties. Chapters: 0:00 Intro 1:00 Introduction to the Iranian Revolution 2:13 Protests and Potential Outcomes 3:35 The Cost of Intervention 6:23 America's Historical Patterns 10:21 Consequences of Regime Change 16:49 The Dilemma of War Predictions 19:37 Infiltration and Information Warfare 21:35 The Role of External Forces 26:02 The American Response to Intervention 30:56 Domestic Perspectives on Foreign Affairs 36:45 Propaganda and Public Perception 40:16 The Narrative of Fear 47:09 The Complexity of Immigration Issues 52:07 The Politics of Public Relations 56:50 Cover-Ups and Conspiracy Theories 1:03:35 Speculations on Motives 1:12:16 Conclusion and Upcoming Content (Cleaned up w/ the Podsworth app. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podsworth.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) 👉 Subscribe for more honest, unfiltered conversations that push past the noise. 🔹 No safe spaces. 🔹 No corporate filters. 🔹 Just raw, informed, and fearless conversation. Provoked show website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://provoked.show⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Darryl's links: X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@martyrmade⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://subscribe.martyrmade.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Scott's links: X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@scotthortonshow⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://scotthortonacademy.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://libertarianinstitute.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://antiwar.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://scotthorton.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://scotthorton.org/books⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.scotthortonshow.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 🎙️ New to streaming or looking to level up? Check out StreamYard and get $10 discount! 😍 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://streamyard.com/pal/d/4904399580430336

Tonight, the New York Post endorses revolution in Iran. We'll succeed. All humans break. The difference between humans and gods is that gods can break humans. Negotiate now. End this war. You're watching Provoked with Daryl Cooper and Scott Horton, debunking the propaganda lies of the past, present, and future.

this is provoked All right you guys Welcome to the show It's Friday again I'm Scott Horton And he is the great Darrell Cooper Mardomade American historian extraordinaire

And tonight we're going to talk about Whether America is going back to war Against Iran There are protests in the street and, well, all the monarchists and Zionists are on Twitter endorsing the revolution and praying, you know, for the freedom of the Iranian people. There have been some massive protests and, you know, I saw a report earlier on BBC propaganda about it had been really suffering a lot of price inflation.

And then, of course, is the freshwater crisis. And so there is, you know, whatever, plenty of cause to. protest. Every time this happens in Iran, though, protests of any kind, mostly, you know, Israeli leaders and other Western leaders followed by, you know, following the Israelis, tend to jump right on it and say, see, it's the fall of the regime. And Ayatollah is sure to be overthrown any moment now. And, you know, hey, it could happen. But I've seen big protests in America, too, none of which portended the fall of, you know, the justice to apartment and its authority over the land or anything like that, ultimately.

But anyway, Donald Trump, here, let me share this thing from the true social. I went ahead and joined true social, Daryl. Why are my stream yard buttons not wanting to pick on time for me tonight? What is this? Do I need to hit refresh or something? I see it. All right, here we go. If Iran shots and violently kills protesters, the U.S. is coming.

Daryl Cooper, what do you think he really might find that? Does that mean like if they just put a pillow over their face, so it's not a violent killing? Is that okay? Maybe they could get away with that. Nah, who knows, man? This stuff with Iran is like, it's just depressing at this point, you know? It's hard to watch. like when I when I watch like BB come for the New Year's party and he's standing there and just dog walking Trump on camera again you know for a while it was infuriating at this point it's just kind of sad and kind of demoralizing and you know I'll get moralized again soon enough but man right now it's just are we going to war with Iran yeah probably you know well here's here's the best part here's the part that like nobody really wants to

here, we'll probably eventually topple the regime and reduce the place to like just total chaos and civil war and massacre like we did in Syria and Libya and everywhere else. We'll probably do it. It's just very depressing to like, you know, as a person who's like naturally patriotic has always been, you know, a veteran myself, somebody who's family members served in the military going back and back to just see what we've become, just this agent of chaos around the world that goes around, not even in the service of what a ruling class, you know, maybe falsely thinks or our own interests, but just a mercenary that goes around, destroying countries, you know, meddling in affairs and just really like making every place that we put our, we put our finger

in worse than it was before. Yeah. You know, we talked about this too, about how over the time it gets easier and easier for presidents to do this. People just kind of quit caring. Um, Obama announced the Libya war from a press conference down in Brazil for the next big one in Yemen they just put out a State Department press release Bernadette Meehan that's the war power resides in State Department spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan declares war on Yemen you know

killed 300,000 people, found them for seven years I mean sort of kind of by proxy but really everybody knows USA was in charge the whole time so that's how it works and And so, you know, I got a couple of people criticize me because I called Trump Obama because this is basically the same excuse he invoked to bomb Libya, that, oh, no, Gadda is killing protesters, you know, even though these were al-Qaeda guys chopping people's heads off and trying to overthrow the country. And he had not masked civilians in the country in the cities and towns where his forces had

already taken land back. So they were just lying that he intended to kill all these people. people in Benghazi, 750,000 people. Imagine the city of Charlotte, North Carolina being wiped off the map, Darrell. I mean, it's a stupid lie, but at least it's a big lie, or at least it's something. Here, Trump is saying he'll intervene if anybody is killed protesting in Tehran. I mean, and then so I says that and people go, no, uh, Obama liked Iran. And it's like, yeah, it don't matter which country we're bombing that we're talking about, man. What matters is how easy it is. And, you know, I don't know if they're bots or not,

but I presume some of them are real people saying, hey, it's about time we dealt with the Iranians. I'm tired of them and they're a problem. And they're just rationalized, just like it's W. Bush, that like, man, Trump wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't the right thing to do. So what are you even worried about at all? You know, it's, that's really begging the question there.

I mean, you know, that is the really depressing part. And what's really depressing about it is it would be more understandable if the younger generation was just, yeah, I don't like the Iranians anyway, just going along with whatever Trump said, you know, because they weren't around in 2003. They don't remember. They weren't, they're not old enough, you know, if it was the younger cup. But it's the opposite. It's all the people who were old enough to remember what happened back then. And what has happened like in all the years since, who were the ones cheering it on? The younger people are largely against it.

And, you know, it's, you know, one of the things that that, that, and, you know, the people in charge, they know this and they don't care. But I think a lot of people who just kind of casually throw out, you know, just nonsense tweets about, liberating Iran, blah, blah, is that, like, if everything goes according to plan, we get, you know, a replacement government in there, I don't think people a lot, like most people, really understand that, like, best case scenario for even, like, let's say you avoid a full-scale just Syrian civil war in Iran and total destruction like that. Let's say a new regime does take place. You're looking at decades of brutal police state repression. in that country as one that is fully endorsed and fully backed and probably funded by the United

States and Israel and stuff because I mean you're going to have a lot of people in that country who are not happy about the change and or even if even if there aren't that many of those people which I you know I think there would be um there's going to be a suspicion like there is after every revolution or every regime change that there are like you know elements of the old regime that that are a threat and so you're looking at like best case scenario just decades of brutal, brutal repression that's just going to create more resentment, you know, build, you know, build up more resentment and set the stage for some future unpredictable backlash that, you know, that is going to get blamed on something that is

totally different than the thing that actually caused it. Yep. Hey, man, I'll never forget. Congressman Bob Dornan, I don't know why. I got such a grudge against this SOP, but back in 2000 and, let's say 12, he was interviewed on CNN about, okay, maybe this would have been after the first big fake

seren hoax of August 13 when they're really debating whether to go in there with a full-scale invasion and overthrow Assad. And Bob Dornan is asked on CNN or one of these, okay, but like, if we do overthrow

Assad, these are adults talking if we do overthrow Assad and his government congressman, well, what do we expect to happen after that? And Bob Dornan says, well, we'll just have to hope that someone comes to the fore. That's all. You know, this is, I debated one of these Israeli propagandists on the Pierce Morgan show, whatever, a few months back, I guess back last June would have been, I guess. And they played a clip of Nancy Mace, and then it was,

one of the propagandists on the show with us, too. And they're just saying, well, you know, oh, this is, this was the quote. It may have been that girl, Emily Austin, that took the $7,000 proposed, said, well, the Iranian people, after we regime changed the country, the Iranian people will just have to rise up and create a great new thing. Like, yeah, you're just bluffing. You know nothing about it, but this could lead to, as you were saying, a massive civil war, a Syrian style chaos, you know, that we had, you know, it took, Darrell, it took 14 years

for al-Qaeda to win that war and take over Damascus. And more than half a million people were killed in the meantime. You know, it was an absolute catastrophe visit on Syria by America and its allies for Israel. And I mean, the reality of the situation is that people making these decisions don't care. Like, that's a fine outcome as far as they're concerned. Just having it be in total chaos, total, you know, just, they're fine with that. That's, that's a, that is maybe, you know, I'm sure they'd prefer if, you know, the Sunni and Shia, Aloites and in, in Syria all came together and joined hands and, you know, bowed down to the American Israeli flag and told us how much they love us and how grateful they are for everything. I'm sure

they prefer that. But as they're like actually going through and like war gaming these situations, You know, I'm sure that they realize that total chaos and destruction is the most likely outcome. And they're like, that's fine. That's a, that's a decent second option, you know. Or, yeah, they just don't really care about what happens next. They just like in the, in like the idiot's sense, they don't even consider what happens next. And they just sort of, well, we'll go with that when we get to it. I'm reminded of David Wormser, who I'm so fond of picking on Mr. Clean Break himself.

It was complaining. If you look at his Twitter feed this week, you'll see him complaining about this Syrian regime. Jolani, he still calls him Jolani, the bin Ladenite, right? Not Al-Shaarah. And he's saying, look at this guy and his HTS terrorist regime going around killing innocent people and persecuting Christians. It's like, yeah, but you're the guy that said,

we will have to engage the fundamentalists with better allies than. and the Baathists. And you're the guy who refused to take that back after 35 years of chaos over there. No, it has to be the warring tribes, the religiously motivated sectarian groups. We have to reduce it to that first. Then we'll figure out how to deal with that,

as he says in coping. We have to expedite the chaotic collapse to Syria so that then we can control the better outcome. And this is the better outcome of bin Ladenite regime, literally the Islamic State, only Islamic State West instead of Islamic State East. Yeah, it's like they have no... And then he says, oh, I'm horrified. You know what?

Maybe we should consider intervening in Syria. You know, it's like they have no, just no concept of the reality of people actually living in these places. You know, it's like, or I don't know, maybe just people when you get, like, Most of the people who get to that level of power are just kind of sociopaths and the ones who aren't, like Thomas Massey, eventually get run out in one way or another, isolated and push to the side. I don't know. But it's like they, I mean, it really seems like they just have no concern whatsoever for the fact that there's people that got to live through this stuff, you know? Yeah. How do you like this one, man?

Longtime fan. Oh, whoops. He just heard that they evacuated the embassy in Baghdad. or I wonder if that's Ear, Bull, or Baghdad. Interesting times, man. Here's a thing that's important. Benjamin Net and Yahoo into town, and he says to Donald Trump, he says, forget the nuclear program.

Uh-oh. Forget the nuclear program. The problem is missiles. Iran can't have missiles. And nobody says that they're making three-stage ICBMs to threaten the United States. I don't believe. I mean, they did put a couple satellites in space. That's not exactly the same technology for delivering missiles.

you know weapons payloads but it's close so there is you know that potential there but i think what we're talking about is mid-range missiles that can hit Tel Aviv and the iranians have claimed to be producing them over time for next time uh as a deterrent and then so putting aside the you know quite severely curtailed uh or not curtailed but you know eroded whatever destroyed nuclear program in its status now Trump's now decided the next excuse for war

well one could be the missiles and now he's even saying it could just be the protesters so you know again I don't know I mean in this dilemma I'm not lying to predict war but

well I mean the missiles one is particularly ridiculous just because I mean leaving aside whether they're developing long range missiles that could hit the U.S. like who cares um but it's just i mean what what that really is saying is uh you know that

policy is telling iran that israel is going to attack you and you are not allowed to fight back that it's all that's all it's saying if you if you tell them they're not allowed to make ballistic missiles that's the only way they got israel to call it off earlier this year or last year because they were able to hit back you know and um this is just telling them that okay everyone Brown's never fired a missile at Israel or anybody else offensively, you know, out of nowhere. Certainly not a sneak attack while they were in the middle of negotiations with that party or something, you know. It's always gone one way. And everybody knows that, you know, that the, that the, that the, you know, a policy saying that they can't build ballistic missiles is simply just telling them you're not allowed to defend yourself. And if you try, then, you know, the Americans might step in. And, you know, you've seen this before. I mean, you said,

I think you've seen versions of this, like throughout history where you saw this in World War II with the Japanese, where you just, you know, FDR backed them into a corner where, you know, they were really facing a choice between a chaotic retreat from their positions in China from a war they've been fighting for many years because they couldn't fuel their armies or they had to go find an alternate source of fuel, which happened to be owned by the British and the Dutch and so forth. And so we backed him into a corner until they attacked us. And the unfortunate thing is, like, you know, just like with Russia, you know, if they're ever successful in getting Putin to like start striking staging areas in Poland or something, I mean, people like you and me, dude, like we're going to be just like the America First movement was in December 8th, 1941. I mean, nobody's going to remember any of the stuff that we did to help push that situation. and get it there. Everybody's going to go crazy and nobody's going to want to hear it. And, you know, it's just, it, yeah, it's, it's, it's just very upsetting.

Sorry, I'm blackbilled today, man. Well, yeah, it's some ugly thing. So, you know, it's funny about, you know, security is a government program, right? So, like, the thing that I learned that I was most wrong about and most surprised about last June was the ease with which they took out all the anti-aircraft. That Mossad and, you know,

whatever Israeli military intelligence assets and whoever had infiltrated the country well enough and had sabotage missions enough or at least had identified every SN3 site that they needed and just obliterated the anti-aircraft on the way in there and just ruled the airspace, virtually on contested the whole time,

which I thought it would have been a lot harder than that. And so, and who knows? I mean, Iran is a big country and, again, security is a government program so you could see them just being lax for, you know, all kinds of close enough for government work type, you know, bureaucratic reasons. So then to this tweet by Mike Pompeo, the former director of the CIA and Secretary of State,

Iranian regime is in trouble claims they're bringing in mercenaries to crush the protests and then some nonsense about numerology here and then he says Happy New Year to every Iranian in the streets also to every Mossad agent

walking beside them. So the thing is there you could say oh he admits it or whatever but you could also look at it like oh it's kind of a sciop he's kind of picking on them and trying to make them paranoid that like ooh it's the Israelis

you know, are manipulating everything. They're behind everything or whatever. Then again, the Israelis do have unlimited money from the American people, and they have the help of the CIA and the MI6 and whatever. And again, Iran's a big country. And so, and again, they have been able to infiltrate their guys into there to a great degree, well, to whatever degree.

I don't know. So, and I just don't know. I really should have checked Max Blumenthal's Twitter before we went on tonight, man. And he'll be, he and Kit Clarenberg and those guys will be first on it if there's real evidence that USAID and NED, IRI and NDI and NDI and the rest of the gang, Soros groups and the rest were involved in this thing. There's plenty of evidence that they were involved in 2009. In fact, Kenneth Timmerman, a real hawk who was from the National Endowment for Democracy, boasted about that in an interview with Newsmax in 2009 during the, a green revolution that you damn right that the NED was supporting those protesting,

which all they were doing was supporting Musa V to be the president. When he was the Ayatollah's man anyway, they all are. You know what I mean? It wasn't going to be much of a green revolution either way. He was going to be one click to the more American maybe, you know, but pretty small click. But failed anyway. But so, I mean, there's every reason to be suspicious here about intervention. and the people of Iran can have all kinds of legitimate grievances.

You know, I figure as much as I hate politicians, if they were trying to dictate my religion to me, or if it was my religious leader trying to dictate my politics to me, I think I'd like them even less. And so, you know, I stand with all people in the world who want to secede from their regime's authority, but I stand against the U.S. government or any of its allies intervening in any way or putting their thumb

on the scale in any way in these people's countries, man. They can very well be replaced by somebody worse. And there are no libertarians in countries like this for a reason, you know, and it's that it's easy for us to say those things. But over there, I mean, they have the world empire breathing down their neck, like literally trying to destroy their country, you know, and they've got examples of how that goes, like recent example of how that goes. And so, you know, the idea that like you're going to have a government that's any, I mean, look, look at what, how, how thoroughly Israel had infiltrated Iran before that sneak attack earlier last year. I mean, when you got stuff like that going on, I mean, you almost have to be a police state or just hang up your boots and like just let somebody else do it. I mean, because like there's just, there's no way to resist it if you're going to do that. Like the idea that, you know, you can just have sort of a free and open government for your politicians.

to get bribed and, you know, do what, like, it's just, you have to have a certain amount of authoritarianism, just like we recognize this always in the United States and every Western country, you know, for all the talk about freedom of speech, when we get into like a real, real war, we're not freedom of speech. They'll throw you in jail for saying that we shouldn't be at war, you know. And look at everywhere that they operate over there. I mean, look at, take Russia, for example, when they say freedom of speech in Russia, they are talking about anti-Pootenist pro-American sock puppet parties that they would like to install in power, that they will bankroll with millions of dollars.

You have the phony, I don't know if you remember, the Snow Revolution. They all wore white ribbons in 2011, Michael McFall and Hillary Clinton trying to push this thing, an alliance between right-wing nationals to the right of Putin and Moscow liberals, you know, New York Times reading Moscow liberals, you know, as a coalition to try to oppose Putin. So like you're saying, you loosen up your political system at all. America's coming, man. We're going to squeeze right in there. And for all of their talk, it's so funny to listen to them. And I remember this from when I was, you know, in high school and whatever, like in the Clinton years, the way they talked about. Spreading democracy and teaching democracy and all this

stuff is like, as there ever been an election where the NED and George Soros organizations helped them hold it. But they didn't give a damn who won. And in fact, they'd have been perfectly happy to have the pro-Russian guy win as long as you're obeying work in the process. See, democracy. That's what we really care about. Give me a break, dude. No one would believe that for a moment. Look at where they intervene and how they intervene in, say, Belarus in 2001, 2005, and 2020. That's all because they think that Lukashenko, why, he's mean and bad. And those people, we care so much about. the Belarusian people that we just want them to have new better leadership.

And you know what? If that new better leadership is even closer to the Kremlin than this guy, well, that would be okay if that's what the people of Belarus want. Yeah, no, that's not how those played out ever. Three major attempts to overthrow Belarus in the last 25 years. Yeah, and that's something worth thinking about, you know, the on the heels of Syria falling, you know, if, man, if they're successful in taking down the Iranian regime, I think you're going to see what, you know, what vassals and dependent states

and allies that Russia has start to get really, really skittish, you know? I mean, I think that they would, that Russian prestige among their own allies would take a pretty huge hit if Iran goes down. I mean, it's a, uh, you know, it almost seems like when you go back to the earlier examples, you go back to like 2001 in Belarus, you know, most people don't even know that was going on. Like most, unless you were like politically engaged, you had no idea what was even going on. Today, nobody believes that any of this is for democracy or blah, blah, blah, blah. Nobody believes that.

The Internet has made it so that everybody knows. Nobody has any illusions. all of that is gone. And so what that's done, rather than have that, rather than the people in charge sort of like taking that into account and adjusting course a little bit, instead, they're just like, all right, fine, mask off. And it's just hard power all the way. We're not even asking, we're telling, we're not asking the American people that they want to

be involved. We're not trying to goad them into it with ideas of mushroom clouds over Chicago and Iraq, WMD. No, we don't, we don't care anymore. We're not even going to try to sell you on it, you know? And I guess that's what you've got to do if you're going to keep doing it. I mean, it's, yeah, you know, it's very disappointing because the thing is, like, populist movements, like the Trump movement, get all these people, like a lot of the Groyper types, you know, a lot of the younger guys who just think, like, well, okay, like, we can, you know, they don't like J.D. Vance and they have their reasons, and that's fine. And they think like, okay, well, you know, we're going to, if he doesn't do what we want,

we're going to go against Vance in 2028. And if he loses and we get eight years of a Democrat, that's fine. Like, we'll regroup and blah, blah, blah. It's like, dude, these things come around like once every 60, 70, 80 years if you're lucky. And, you know, to have a movement like this come to nothing, which is really where, I mean, where this is headed. It looks like. This whole MAGA thing is really looking like a bad joke.

It's, um, man, it's destroyed everything. Israel, America first or Israel instead. And Trump has made his choice here. He's definitely made his choice. And you know, the thing that's so sad about it is he could have been like a super, super, super strong ally of Israel, make George W. Bush look like, you know, the Ayatollah. And still not just allow Benjamin Netanyahu to put a leash around his neck and march him around on TV every few days, just to rub it.

it in our face, you know? And, but it's, uh, yeah, I don't know, man. Like, I've, you know, I heard from somebody who knows a lot more people than I know, um, and a lot of, uh, more important than people, more important people than I know, um, and knows them well. Um, he's 100% convinced and not based on, according to him on speculation, but based on firsthand knowledge, um, that, Trump feels like he's under an assassination threat

from the Israelis if he doesn't do what they want. I don't know what to make of that. On one hand, it feels like it just kind of cope, like just don't want to accept the fact that this is just who this guy is, you know? Yeah. But that's how he's acting. I mean, it really is.

You know, he's got a big shit-eaten grin on his face during all of this stuff. He doesn't have a gun to his head. Those aren't hot gloves it is. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, but that is how he's, you know, I don't know how he would behave differently other than the shit-eating grin, you know, if that was the case.

And just the way that, you know, he could have been like, Israel do whatever you want. But, you know, we're focused over here on all the MAGA stuff, you know, trade and domestic policy and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But no, I mean, he went from like running on the biggest mistake we ever made was getting into the Middle East and getting into these conflicts into the Middle East. And, you know, we focused too much on this area of the world. We should be focusing on China and blah, blah, blah. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff. And that's just all gone. I mean, it's just like everything else is an afterthought.

Immigration's an afterthought. Everything else is an afterthought. He's losing his younger base. Anybody that's engaged, like, online is, like, young enough? What? Was it you that was saying that he really needs to get back on Twitter? That he was, like, really missing the second half of him being on Twitter before was the feedback. And he's just not getting that on true social in the way that he used.

to um yeah maybe i mean that could you know i i pose that question um i think on twitter earlier myself is or maybe i was just responding to something that somebody said like i think honestly like trump probably has no idea that a huge chunk of his base feels betrayed by all this yeah i mean they all get stuck in a bubble at that level of power he would have to have you remember people are like maybe baron his son will tell him something you know what i mean Like, his son told him to go on the Theo Vaughn show. So maybe his son will tell him, hey, dad, you know, there's a, there's a segment out there that don't like there. You know what I mean?

Because we're all sort of desperate to figure out, like, by what avenue could you get this information to them that these views exist out here? Yeah. And I mean, I know people, we know people who do talk to Trump personally, who are really like in that, facing the deletion. that David Hackworth faced during Vietnam. You know, the question of like,

do I, I see what's going on here is crazy and it's messed up. Do I go out in public and start speaking about this and burn all my bridges and all of my ability to have any influence over what's going on

and to try to mitigate some of this? Or do I keep my mouth shut and be a good soldier so that, even if on the margins, I can kind of try to steer this thing in the right direction. And there are a lot of people

who are in that position right now. And you've told me, by the way. Yeah. You know, and somebody, you know, somebody asked earlier in the chat, you know, if Trump keeps us out of war in Iran and Venezuela,

then, you know, would you consider his, whatever, his administration like a net success or whatever? No, because these situations didn't exist before. Like, we weren't going to a, we weren't going to war

with Iran and Venezuela under Biden and Trump somehow, like, saved us from it. Like, this all came out of nowhere, you know, so no. All right, so hold that thought for a second. Let's do a little bit of business here. First of all,

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And also, you know what? He supports the Tom Wood Show, which advertises for Matt Sersley, too. And the Tom Wood Show is where Darrell had a really great episode, the first episode of the year over there, about the war on the right over Israel and interventionism. fantastic interview there Tom Woods episode whatever it is so everybody check out

tomwoods.com there and here on the YouTube's and all that for that great interview and then oh I want to switch to a little bit of the domestic side

Daryl of the the Hasbar War here I don't know if you saw this but it was I just laughed my ass off literally out loud when did you see that CBS has a new

America first ad campaign. We're American patriots, dude, and we're proud. I don't know why they're not like sitting on the hood of a Ford truck in the ad or whatever. Like, you got an eagle and a bud. Like, oh, we're Americans. Like, dude,

we all know what you're compensating for over there CBS News. All of a sudden, the most patriotic, bald eagle, Benjamin Franklin, Americanist news channel. Yeah, right, dude.

As Bill Hicks might say, we can see right through you. So I just, I got a kick out of that. Just seeing the desperation of the, of the hasperists here. Another one I interviewed Jason Jones today from the Vulnerable People Project. He's a Catholic, conservative, you know, Save the Children type. And he was talking about just this whole propaganda narrative that Net Yahoo is debuting now that Israel stands with the Christians of the Middle East. And Jason Jones is like, man, don't make me die laughing over this. When you look at who is killing Christians in the

Middle East, it's Israel and their Turkish and Indian allies. And of course, they're jihadi allies in Syria. And previously the Civil War and the chaos, the Shiite and Sunni militias, persecuted and destroyed the Christian communities in Iraq War II, which of course was at Israeli behest. And, you know, we talked about the confusion where most Americans just assume that the Israeli Jews are on the Christian side, because they're our greatest ally and all of that stuff, right? So it's sort of, and they're surprised to learn that, you know, a fifth or so of the Palestinian Arabs are actually Christians, and it's the Israeli Jews who are bombing them and their Muslim neighbors alike,

their churches and mosques together in the Gaza Strip and in the West Bank and all of that stuff. So, um, but again, it goes to show the desperation of the, I think it's got to be falling really flat, right?

You're going to have some Protestant churches where they're like, wow, yeah, Netanyahu says he loves us Christians. But everybody else, well, more and more, I think, are just seeing through the desperation in that. What do you think?

Yeah. I mean, I think they know that that's the, case, I wonder really, though, how much they care, how much they really think it's an issue, you know, that public opinions turning against them, as long as, as long as they maintain control the levers of, you know, the levers of state in the U.S. and, and the other countries they care about. Like, you know, I don't know. I don't, I don't, I think that, I think that they are very comfortable with, you know, the, there's a lot of people in the U.S., you know,

or like, you know, sort of dissident politics on either side who talked about the possibility of revolution or civil war or just the people not taking it anymore. And there's no evidence that people in the U.S. are remotely will. I mean, we told, we told people you're not allowed to go to church or will arrest you and throw you in jail. And in places like California, it was the case for like a year and a half. People didn't do anything, you know.

And so I think that they just feel like, yeah, the people will get really mad and what they'll do about it is they'll go online and complain and they'll see that more and more people are starting to agree with them and they're complaining online and they'll think they're you know they'll think that some kind of progress is being made and um and then now but meanwhile the next domino falls and uh you know we'll if if there's publicity fallout we'll deal with that later i mean i just they don't seem particularly concerned about it you know yeah um well of course it's divided right the lobby is multifaceted and there are people who are um you know take different uh you know approaches to the thing i wonder what you think about

not the somali fraud but the PR about the Somali fraud um now i think it's pretty organic and the thing is just completely outrageous and then Elon Musk retweeted it and then that's a pretty big deal you know what i mean there you go um that might be all the explanation you need then again though i saw where that kid surely who went around and did the reports he previously did the most ridiculous kind of sock puppet potemkin tour type youtube video for the Israelis and justifying the war in gaza and you know he fits a stereotype to me you know what i mean i shouldn't assume too much about it but then somebody came and brought this up in my mentions today asking me whether I got paid to retweet that thing and said that well Clint Russell said someone offered to pay him to retweet it

and then Clinton he's a friend of mine Clint Russell from Liberty Lockdown he showed up in the comments and said that yeah after he had already retweeted it anyway someone came and offered to pay him and and then there's a video of him explaining but I didn't have time to watch the video. So I don't know, like, exactly the explanation there, but it seemed to me like, you know, we have here. Oh, I have it here, don't it? Watch this. And I know that you already know about this. Um, let's see if I can get this tab good and shared. This is Ryan Grimm at DropSight News here. And this came out, oh man, don't do that to me. This came out a few weeks ago. Israel considered a genocidal apartheid country abroad, according to Israel's

own research. Mark Penn, that is one of Hillary Clinton's guys. guys, did some public relations work for them. And so we come down here, we have, you know, everybody thinks that they're murderers and overwhelmingly kill civilians. And then, but here's the punchline. Israel's best tactic to combat this, according to the study, is to moment fear of radical Islam and jihadism, which remains high, the research finds. By highlighting Israeli support for women's rights and gay,

writes, while elevating concerns that Hamas wants to destroy, quote, destroy all Jews and spread jihadism and, quote, Israeli support rebounded by an average of over 20 points in each country, quote, especially once the situation in Gaza is resolved, the room for growth in all countries is very significant. So, you know, and it makes sense on the face of it, right, that once the headlines are out of the news about the current chaos, and that's drop site news. again, Ryan Grimm. Once the worst of the slaughter is out of the news and starts, you know, fading from attention, then they're relying on the fact that they can demonize Muslims as a bunch of

foreign language-speaking, you know, brown-skinned, faces covered, suicide bomber, jihadi terrorist, Muslim infiltrator guys. And the Israelis are, I mean, basically from New York and New Jersey, right? Like they're, a lot of them are half Americans anyway. Like, clearly there are guys and the other guys. You picture a Muslim in a ninja costume with a bomb in his hand or whatever, the eternal enemy over there.

You're not on their side, are you? Compared to Israel, which is somehow a state in our union or something like that. And then that's it. And then, you know, it's funny to me because I don't know if you remember it this way, but the way I remember it was once Trump got in there and he made his big deal, why won't they say radical Islam and all that crap when he was running for president in 16,

remember that? Then once he got in there and they made it all about Russiagate and then they made it all about COVID and all of that, Ukrainegate and then COVID, everybody totally forgot about the bin Ladenites. I mean, even during Obama times when he's supporting the bin Laden nights in Libya and Syria, they're still talking a game about, you know,

there are terrible terrorists out there somewhere and we still need the police state to protect you from them and everything. But I seem to remember that. They went like six or eight years without even mentioning the bin Laden nights at all. You'd have heard a lot more complaints about it from me than from actually like pro-war types

from my paranoia about them coming to these shores or inspiring people on these shores to commit lone wolf attacks on that, which we have had. And now all of a sudden, again, the same boomers who fell for Iraq and are supposed to be cured of it now and are into this Iran,

stuff. All of a sudden, they want to hear about radical Islam again. Oh, yeah, the Muslims are just conquering the whole country. They're taking over our whole society. And then, you know what, like right when this came out, Ben Shapiro's guy Matt Walsh has his whole thing about the call to prayer in Dearborn, which I ain't for that. There's problems with all this mass immigration. I don't know. But the question is, you know, how much emphasis is put on these stories and by who and with what kind of public relations behind them. And we see those stories about Dearborn, and then now we see this expose

of the fraud in Minnesota. As Ryan Dawson pointed out on his blog, this Minnesota thing has been publicly known since 2014. Now, maybe it wasn't, you know, the viral story that it became until Elon Musk retweeted it. And I'm not saying anybody put Elon Musk

up to retweeting it or anything like that, but just, um, that kid surely, yeah, he's at least a little bit suspicious. and it would seem to go along with the idea that now is time for major anti-Muslim siops in America to remind people why we need Israel. I just saw a clip, one more tangent, I just saw a clip of a Christian preacher today at a Jewish function and saying America needs Israel to fight our enemies for us over there

or we'd have to fight them ourselves. You know, we need them to protect us from. from the vanguard of the Islamic conquest of the West, which, of course, everybody who believes this, everyone on the right who believes this also knows that it's the liberal Democrats who brought all these people here quite deliberately. This is not, there is no caliphate over there

other than the ones that we keep building for them. But anyway, say things now, Mr. Historian. Well, yeah, this isn't history. I talk about the more modern contemporary stuff. I don't know anything about the Shirley kid. Is he from Minnesota? I'm not sure. Yeah.

So I don't know anything about him. The fact that he likes Israel or whatever, that really doesn't, I mean, whatever, there's a lot of people who are vaguely conservative who like Israel and aren't, you know, necessarily part of an op or something. I kind of, I guess I just, it's possible. I mean, that these two things, like, at least that it's being promoted. for reasons that have to do with that. But I don't know, I try to be, I try to be a little bit more judicious about, like when it comes to like our Middle East policy,

yeah, I'm 100% that guy. Israel runs our country. Israel is, we're completely Zionist, occupied government, 100% down the line when we're talking about U.S. Middle Eastern policy. You know, I don't, I try to avoid like, unless it really, there's a real reason to do it like ascribing everything that happens to Israel, you know?

Like, I feel like they probably, I mean, it just seems like it's a narrower than everything. I mean, if you go back to the whole thing about we got to pass all these state laws to prevent Sharia law, that thing was run by a guy named Rabbi Yal Rushami from Brooklyn. Yeah, no doubt that happened. He was trying to, he was trying to protect the people of Utah and Colorado and Texas from Sharia law. No, he wasn't. He was trying to make you hate and fear. Muslims, because he thinks you're a piece of shit, and he's trying to control your mind and

make you hate Israel's enemies, so you'll help him and his friends kill people and steal property from them. That's what that whole thing was about. Give me a fucking great. Y'all Rusham. I've never met anyone in Yal Rushami where I'm from. Yeah, that's true. All that's true. It just doesn't necessarily mean that, like, the next case that comes up, you know, that's critical of a Muslim immigrant community or something is a part of that. It could be. And it's something, I guess, to be um to be aware of but i don't know i guess i try to look at that case on its own merits i mean it's it's pretty like it's it's pretty yeah it's been around for a long time that story like but it hasn't been quantified and it hasn't really been like you know reported out and pursued

um and it still hasn't obviously like this youtubeer going and yeah they're like this youtube going and knocking on some doors and demanding to go into the daycare and take film of the children and there and them saying no is not as big of a story actually like by itself but you know the thing is like no doubt i'm sure there's a huge amount of that kind of fraud going on why because it's possible and if it's possible then people are going to do it and when you have like a varying like cloistered enclosed immigrant community like that that doesn't talk to outsiders and looks after their own and has like family networks that of people that they know they can trust i mean you run into a lot of that kind of stuff. I mean, you go back 100 years ago, it was the local Democrat Party,

Democratic parties in the big cities. They ran the big cities in league with Jewish and Italian mobsters, you know, the most recent immigrants at the time. And that alliance between state and local democratic officials and immigrant organized crime is an old American tradition. I mean, it goes back Tammany Hall, you know. And so I, I think, think, you know, the real story, I mean, there's a couple things about it. Like, one, anybody who's surprised that this kind of thing would happen in a community like that just doesn't live around communities like that. You know, there's, um, you see down like, uh, you know, if you go down and live in like Orange County or different parts of L.A. where there's a lot of

Arabs. Every once in a while, you'll go to like a Walmart and you'll see, uh, two or three women who are all buying just like nothing but like cases of Pepsi and Mountain Dew and Dr. Pepper with their EBT cards and loading them into their, uh, loading them into their expensive SUV and driving to the convenience store that all three of their husband, one guy owns and stocking the shelves with stuff they bought with their EBT cards. Like that kind of stuff just goes on. It's like it's something that happens, you know? And, um, and it, like, it's not surprising at all that this is going on in Minnesota, but I mean, it's just, it's, it's, this one is particularly interesting, like,

somebody wants to pay Clint, though, to retweet it. That's what bothers me. Yeah, didn't you say, dude, you got to, you got to name names, man. Like, if you something like that, he may have, he may have. It's my fault. I didn't watch the video, but the lady, you know, a stranger in my mentions says, he explains, in this video, but I didn't have time to watch it before our show tonight, but somebody, man, I've never, I've never had any offer me for anything.

Yeah. I guess on how cool one. Yeah, especially for something that you already tweeted, you know, and, you know, when I retweet it, I quote tweeted it, and said, yeah, it's really offensive when freeloaders like Somalis and Israelis steal from us in this way. So if they were trying to manipulate me, I got them to neutralize them back. You know, there is definitely a. thing where, you know, Israel is like this proxy, like this outlet for American conservatives

who aren't allowed to be really nationalists. They're not really allowed to be racist. They're not really allowed to like, Israel is like this outlet where they can be all of those things. They can get it all out of their system on a totally safe target where you hate the Palestinians. I want them all dead, you know, kill them all, kill their children, bathe in their blood, and it's fine, you know, it's totally fine. Like, you're not going to get, you know, you're not even, you're not going to have anything happen to you, you know, that if you said it about literally any other group of people, then, uh, you know, you'd have, you'd have a problem. I mean, it reminds me of when, uh, remember when, when the Ukraine war kicked off and, um, Facebook changed its,

its rules, its terms of service to allow calling for the death of Russians only specifically, because And praising Aso of Nazis. Yeah. And like, you know, and so there's definitely some of that. Like, you know, it's it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's the safe outlet, you know, all uses, um, and a lot of the anti-Muslim stuff that gets pushed around, uh, the paranoia and whatnot. No question is, um, you know, it is an Israeli PR tactic. I mean, it's, you know, it is tough, though, because like, you got a, you have to be able to kind of separate those two things. and recognize that, you know,

this isn't something that the Israelis are making up, it's something that they're playing off of and amplifying that is real one is a real problem. Well, that's what I meant. Yeah, as I said, yeah, this has been a thing for a very long time, but now there seems to be a big push. And it would make sense, even if the kid surely wasn't put up to it anyway, it would just make sense that, like, why would Fox News like this story so much?

You know what I mean? Serves their interests. Make people afraid of people who, they have power on this level, but ultimately are nothing compared to, say, for example, the Israel lobby pushing us into another war or something like that. Now, I think this is important here.

I'm sure you may have seen this on CNBC. This guy's name is, oh, I'm sorry I had it a minute ago. It was, oh, it says it right here. Shlomo Kramer, an Israeli billionaire comes, and he says specifically, you don't just say, oh, you know, your speech, this, that.

He names our First Amendment for elimination. That works. Flomo Kramer, also one of the founders of Checkpoint, another big cyber company. Shlomo, it's great to have you here. Welcome. Thank you for having me. How is AI cyber warfare shaping geopolitics right now? So AI is going to revolutionize cyber warfare.

Is revolutionized cyber warfare from critical infrastructure to the fabric of society and politics and undermining it, giving unfair advantage. authoritarian governments against democratic countries, First Amendment type of... That's already happening? That's already happening. You're seeing the polarization in countries that allow for the first amended and protect it, which is great.

And I know it's difficult to hear, but it's time to limit the first amendment in order to protect it and quickly before it's too late. What do you mean? I mean that we need to... control the platforms, all the social platforms. We need to stack rank the authenticity of every person that expresses themselves online and take control over what they are saying based on that ranking.

The government. The government should control the social media. Yeah, should do that. And we need to educate people again. So there you go, dude. anti-Zionism is cyber war and so no one should be allowed to go on the internet without what I guess

scanning their eyeball and verifying their ID somehow and then you should be able to say whatever you want unless this guy doesn't like it in which case the first amendment to the U.S. Constitution which says okay government we'll let you exist

under the fall of declaratory and restrictive clauses to prevent misconstruction or abuse of your powers that, yeah, for one thing, Congress has no authority whatsoever to pass a law curtailing the freedom of speech any more than they can tell you what church you can go to or not, Daryl Cooper.

So, speaking of black pills, I guess that is where we are. Now, we're up on the end of the show here. I wanted to talk about the Saudi-backed, jihadis fighting the UAE-backed jihadis, no, fighting the UAE-backed ex-commies of the Southern Transitional Council there in Yemen, but we haven't got time for that madness, but it's up at anti-war.com right now. And please keep your eyes, everybody,

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Let me blab about this while I page through comments. Boy, we got a lot to page through here. Let me blab about this, Mr. Cooper. You know what I'd done seeing today on the tubes was Ian Carroll interviewed on the Tucker Carlson show. Did you see that? Do you know what I'm talking about? I saw that it did exist. it does exist so here's what it's about it's about las vegas october 2017 and the horrible

horrible massacre that took place there and the cover up and you know i had a bad impression that guy first because like the first thing i ever heard him say was some kind of half-baked stuff about israel palestine and i was like yeah fooey but i i have a new appreciation for him uh in watching this interview he was very careful about most of what he said as far as like no we don't really know this but it looks like maybe this matters and here's something that jumped out at me and he seemed very fair in the way he did it when he was speculating he said he was speculating and all that it was less truth their kooky and more just i'm interested in this cover up which i like that kind of stuff you know me i'm a oklahoma bombing kook to the end um

so uh it was a bunch of fbi informant neo nazis that did it if you occurs anyway so carroll says he's compiling this information from a lot of other researchers, and I had seen this video by this lady Mindy something a couple of years ago where she definitely proved that there was gunfire going on all down the strip at these different locations, up the strip, I guess, for like more than an hour after the whole thing was supposedly over. And there are all kinds of other anomalies, such as the first body cam footage shows no shell casings, no broken glass, no broken window in the main room of his um and which i remember seeing that myself and there were some things and i wanted to interview

this lady mindy something but i never got around to it because i'm always working on a book or some kind of damn thing and so i never did it and um but he's what he's talking about is right along the same lines of what what she was saying about there are definitely multiple shooters involved it's very questionable the role that this guy paddock had at all there are i believe legitimate questions about whether there was fire from helicopters i he goes on this kind of To what end? Like, what is he, what's the speculation about why? Well, that's the thing.

So he says, so he goes, well, who would possibly commit such a ruthless act against Americans? And then he deduces and others have two that he's borrowing from that it would have been pro bin Ladenites. And maybe if not like, you know, scumbag box cutter bin Laden nights, but like helicopter pilot bin Laden nights, you know what I mean? At the top of Saudi society that they would have done it and that this would have been part of the faction fight with Muhammad bin Salman taking over the country and arresting

Mohammed bin Nayef, the crown prince and replacing him and arresting bin Talal and all of these different guys and consolidating his power really for the more modernists against the more reactionary kind of King Fod era bin Ladenite uh simp types which I still don't think that's right man I think when you're talking about the real elite levels of Saudi Arabia running the bin Laden Knights, I think that's much more business and cooperation with America and Britain in doing stuff like that rather than like true ideological commitment inside the leadership of their intelligence services and stuff. I could be wrong about that, but I don't really like his answer. But he doesn't either. Like he was, he admitted it was speculation enough, but it was

kind of starting from by like, who is going to really unload into a crowd of Americans like that? you would have to, that's the kind of thing a bin Ladenite would do. It's kind of hard. But I just think of any, I can't think of any examples where they don't take credit for their acts, though. That's true. Well, and he made it sound like, you know,

it was like a year later, the MBS murdered Khashoggi. And he made it sound like he thought that Khashoggi was in on it with the bin Ladenite side, which Khashoggi did support the bin Ladenites in Syria. I know that. But, and it was when bin Salman came to power

is when Saudi started backing down on Syria in 2014-15. So, but then, of course, and I got a real prejudice against MBS, though, because of the Yemen war. But then whatever, that's beside the point of, like, in the scheme of things, there was this massive fight inside the royal family. And the end seemed to think that that had something to do with happening in Vegas. I don't really get that part of it.

But I don't know what was going on, but I think it's absolutely clear that there were multiple shooters and multiple scenes all over the place. But, you know, even I think he pointed out that, like, you have this massacre and then you have all these reports of gunfire up the strip, but you don't have a lot of innocent people killed of the strip. It doesn't seem like you have just some lady murdered in cold blood at the Bellagio, but which is, but we do have lots of reports of gunshots there from all different people calling it. Anyway, I don't know. It's really something, man. The excuse, right, is that, you know, in a place like the strip with all those tall buildings, just that those. shot just echo up and down, right?

I mean, and I don't know. No, no, this is like multiple employees, security guards, people calling their gunshots at this far. And this is way after Paddock supposedly already dead. The gunfire from the hotel has stopped. Whatever's going on at that part of Strip is over. And this is,

and I've heard these 911 calls. They have the timestamps on them where, and this is the part, I didn't do any damn research at all. I watched Mindy Something's documentary is what I did. And she shows this that this was going on for like an hour or something after. And he references all kinds of people who seemingly were shot from ground level were shot

when they were behind a concrete barricade on the other side of the hotel or from the hotel where they were, you know, and then got shot anyway. There's really some suspicious stuff there. And I really don't like Cooke stuff because I used to be much more of a conspiracy guy. And that's when I was stupid and young and wrong about things. And I don't like being wrong about stuff very much. So I have a real allergy to this kind of thing. But I do think they're lying their asses off about what all happened there.

And I think there is a massive cover up. I guess I'm just trying to figure out, you know, when I, for sure, like, there's a ton of stuff that never made sense about the Vegas shooting. No question about it. Especially just given their caginess about the whole thing from the beginning, you know. But, you know, if somebody has a theory about it, like I'll watch the interview with. Ian. If somebody has a theory, the first thing I want to know is, like, who benefited and how from it, you know? I don't think anybody who, like the old Alex Jones idea of like false flag shootings in Sandy Hook or whatever is they want to take our guns. And it's like,

okay, but they never did. So, you know, I take, I don't, I don't, I don't. But they never had a motive for, there's no official, even claimed motive for even the official story of why this. He was the weird guy, right? He was like a private pie. who would fly out of the country a lot. He was a millionaire who supposedly made all his money from playing video poker, some idiotic, you know, nonsense like that, you know, independently wealthy, but nobody knows how. He didn't work for anybody.

And nobody really knew who he was. They didn't have any, like, close associates that could be interviewed. Just this, like, non-person kind of guy with millions of dollars in a private pilot license. Carol thought he was just a patsy. Carol thought he got lured there under the idea that he was going to sell some guns. He was a gun guy who had a lot of guns and that he was maybe lurid

there on the idea that he was going to do some business and then all this stuff happened. Because didn't he have like in his room there were like 50 guns or something, right? And it's like, why would you even And as you said, almost all of them are ARs, semi-automatics. And this whole thing about the bump stocks and all

that, a bump stock does not a full auto M-16 make. You know what I mean? And it's just and even those are like mostly on three-dot verse, not just you know if you're going to do something like that like maybe bring a backup gun in case something goes wrong but like basically have one gun in a ton of magazines like oh why would you possibly it's not like you're going to make your escape with your 50 gun cases or something

that's very strange um so i don't know yeah if you find that uh if you find that that that video by mindy what's her name put it on twitter or something so everybody can see it and i'll watch that i've never i've never seen much about like the gunshots going up and down the strip or anything like that. And he referenced her too. And he also referenced something that was called. I googled it. It was like Vegas.

Let me see if it'll just come up if I type it here, buddy. Is VegasMap? Vegas ShootingMap.com. All one word, okay. Vegas ShootingMap.com and some anonymous person, he said, made it. Doesn't take credit for it. And then it has pins in it.

And you can listen to all the 911 calls. You can see where people. were shot and when and all this huge, just tons of information there. The helicopter stuff and, you know, I had seen there were some weird things about the helicopters and what, there's a bit of speculation there, but it's worth looking at, man. It's one of those where, you know, I wouldn't begin to speculate about what the hell was going on there, but I do think that there's enough to really doubt that this one kook did this and, by the way, for no reason at all. You know what I mean? Like, there's definitely, I mean,

No, again, I've seen that body cam footage when they first go in there and the windows aren't broken. And Carol says that in the joining room, he thinks that the window was broken there. And I do believe I've seen pictures from outside that show at least one window was broken there. But it ended the way they said. And then they have pictures of broken glass and shell casings.

But when you look at the body cam, there's no broken glass and shell casings, you know? And that's where they say the pictures are from. It's from like right here. And according to Carol, I don't know this, but according to him, the bloodstains look like they're two different blood stains, one much older than the other kind of overlapping and this kind of thing. Bit suspicious in some of those pictures. I don't know, man. Yeah.

I mean, the one thing I do try to keep in mind is that we are in an age now where every so often, you know, a kid gets his parents gun and walks into his school and shoots up cafeteria, you know, like that is the world we live in now. and so there's people out there like that who just they get they tip over and you know and fall off the edge and and they end up doing something like that and so I mean that's that is always a possibility like the fact that there's no motive and all that yeah it's definitely makes it worth questioning yeah but you know it's um it is also we're keeping in mind that I mean this stuff does happen you know I mean look I I knew a kid if you remember the kid that did the Parkland shooting in Florida. I knew a kid that was just like that, man. And I remember him even. He had a tech nine and joking and talking about how, man, it would be so funny, like go to a mall and just like start

shooting people and watch them all screaming and running. Duh. He's like a 16 or 19 year old kid. Just like, yeah, that'd be great, dude. Check on my new Snoop Dog shirt. And he's just like an idiot kid, dude. And I remember going, come on, man. Like, you don't really mean that. Like, you'd really be hurting people and destroying people's families and destroying lives. And like, I'm a stupid kid, and I'm a psycho too, but I ain't that crazy, you know? And he's looking at me like, what? Like, no, it would be funny, dude. Can't you picture him screaming and running?

That's funny. And this same kid ended up getting waxed, or waxed, but I think he probably had it coming by the Williamston County Sheriff's. They gunned him down in a, like, he came out shooting not much later after that. But he very well could have done a mass shooting like that because, like, yeah, dude, that would be rad. You know what I mean? I was the extent of his thought on it.

You know what I mean? Just like a, yeah, low IQ kind of watch too much TV kind of crap, you know? This guy says, Scott King says, the new Seymour Hersch dock on Netflix. I don't know if you've seen it. It is good. And all of a sudden, I just blanked on the name of it. But it is really great. It's called cover-up.

It starts out, of course, with his coverage of the Milai Masker and all this stuff. I would hasten to point people to the great Aaron Matta. and Max Blumenthal, they have a new video where they debunk the lie sort of by edit, the implication in the movie that Hirsch is retracting

his 2013 Guta Seren attack story when he retracted no such thing at all. They edited that. You know, it's pretty obviously weirdly edited, where he's saying essentially, geez, I didn't know Assad could be that brutal.

I knew he was bad, but I know he was that bad. And then they make it seem, like he's saying, that's the only reason that he thought that Assad did the sarin attack was because, geez, I just couldn't believe that about him. But that's not what the story said, dude. And that's clearly not what he's saying in that part of the documentary. So it's a very good documentary, except for that part. And shame on Laura Poitrous for that crap. But I guess that's what you have to be to be a liberal.

Cy Hirsch, also the guy who outed Robert Maxwell and his editor at the Daily male for being Mossad agents and probably I mean like possibility at least that you know that that his

breaking of that story led to Maxwell getting killed you know it's Maxwell was oh that's interesting that's what led to him getting killed I think look I mean they were getting to the point where Maxwell was going to get dragged into court

And they were going to go through all the books of his pension fund and everything else and find out where did all this money go? What did you do with it? Who are these shell companies? Why are they in Tel Aviv, you know? And so they're like, but he died and none of that happened because there was no criminal prosecution. And so there was no discovery, forensic financial discovery, stuff like that. And it just became this sort of scandal of this dead, corrupt guy who stole a bunch of money

and that was that, you know. Yeah. So this guy says, I'm wrong about Israel had air. dominance over Iran, they just had this narrow corridor and fired standoff missiles. But I guess my understanding was the first

thing that they'd done was take out virtually all of the SM3s or certainly over anywhere that they were flying. Although obviously the Americans helped, the American subs and ships helped with Tomahawks. And then they brought in the B-2s.

So I don't know if he'd call it total air dominance, but I don't remember a single Israeli plankton. getting shot down after bombing the crap out of the place for two weeks. So, yeah, we don't need air. I'm not for how much I may have overstated that, quite frankly. We don't need air dominance to get our B-2s anywhere. But, you know, it's, I honestly haven't, I haven't studied, like, the 12-day war

and, like, that level of detail where the Israeli planes were and stuff. So I don't know. Yeah. All right. Well, this guy's setting a very good example for everybody else here with his wonderful donation to our great show here. And so I don't know, man, I think we're almost done here, and we're already way over time. Why don't you tell me a little bit about your podcast and when people can expect the next episode there, Mr. Cooper?

I don't know. I'm working on it. It's tough, you know. Like, dude, if you can tell, like, my brain is totally fried right now, and I'm not really up on a lot of the stuff that's been on the news because basically for the last week and a half, I've been completely buried in very detailed, like, academic essays on, uh, migration patterns in central eastern Europe in the aftermath of World War I. But that's like all you've been doing for like a week and a half. And then you've got to come and talk about current events. That's why I'm a little out of sorts. So I, you know, look, every time I'm reading that I'm going through like a stack of books right now that I have to read to be able to put together a section in the middle of this episode and make it work. And I'm going through whole books that are absolutely necessary for me to read because I need to know the information so I don't say

something stupid, something that's wrong about, you know, but I'll go through and read like five books for a, for a part of the podcast that realistically is going to be like five minutes long. But I have to read the stuff because I have to know it if I'm going to say, you know. And so it just, it takes a ton of time, man. Like, all I've been doing is reading books. And as far as when it's going to be done, I mean, the thing is I don't, I don't have a process where it's like, um, you know, by this date, I'm going to be 12% done and by that date 28% done. It just doesn't work like that. Like I read through all my books. I write probably 10 pages

for every, uh, page worth of material that makes it into the podcast itself. And then after a certain point, um, I start to lose my mind and get desperate enough, uh, that I, I, I just sit myself down and write it out and force myself to just, you know, to put it out. But I don't know. I would say I probably have at least another month of just I got to get through this stack of books that's on my side table. Oh, man. I have lived in that hell.

I know. Even just right here off screen, my pile of books, man. It is not funny. But, yeah, I don't like being an author. It's terrible. And what you're doing is the same thing, really. Then you just do a big audio book, which is even worse than writing a book, doing an audio book. So you're a real hero, man.

I really can't wait till the next section of this, to all the great sections. I'll tell you this. I'll tell you, it is going to be really good. Like, I've learned so much about the post-World War I period in central and eastern Europe. And, like, I'm at the part in the development of the episode where I'm, This is like this part is consistent, like how this works. I'm at the part right now where like in my head, I completely understand how all of these, all of these things that happened in the immediate aftermath of World War I led to, you know, the real subject of the podcast, which is the rise of the national socialists in World War II. In my head, it's like 100% clear.

If you ask me to explain it to you right now, I'd start stuttering and stuff. Like it's not that put together in that way. And so eventually it will be, like eventually it'll hit a point where it'll kind of crystallize and, um, and I'll, you know, I'll be able to sit down and, and map it all out and describe it to you in a podcast. And, um, I can't wait. We'll get there. We'll get there. Yeah. All right. This guy asked about the new Cold War with, uh, China. I would recommend my colleague at the Libertarian Institute, Joe Solis Mullin, wrote a great book called the fake China

threat and it's very real danger, unlike Osama bin Laden's Islam al-Fascist Caliphate. hey, China actually exists and has H-bombs and ICBMs. Thanks, Bill Clinton. And so, yeah, we might want to consider how we treat debt rising. I've actually never read any books about like contemporary or recent U.S.-China relations. But if you want one that does describe kind of the longer-term history, which is still interesting because it informs a lot, obviously, of what's going on now. There's one called the Beautiful Country and the Middle Kingdom.

and it's the history of America, Chinese relations. It's actually pretty good. Yeah. This guy says I'm a drama queen, but I'm reading it out of time, so I'm not sure what that's a reference to. Was I getting upset?

He's a drama king, Gatch. Yeah, man. Hey, check it out, dude. I got a new Poison Idea record today. Chaos and Conquest. No, confuse and conquer. Sorry, I'm blind.

I think it's their last. album, 2015. So Pig was dead by then, so yeah. All right. Let's call a night. Good night. This has been Provoked with Daryl Cooper and Scott Horton. Be sure to like and subscribe to help us

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