Provoked with Darryl Cooper and Scott Horton - EP:51 - War's Over

Episode Date: June 19, 2026

Darryl Cooper & Scott Horton discuss the details of this week's Memorandum of Understanding between the US government and the Iranian government and share their thoughts on whether or not it will hold and actually make "permanent termination of the war on all fronts" possible, as it claims to aim to achieve. Chapters: 0:36 Welcome 2:36 MOU and Gulf Shift 6:33 Trump Ends the War? 9:40 Imperial Limits Exposed 17:45 Israel May Sabotage It 22:23 War Party Still Coping 26:19 Trump’s Wild Missile Logic 28:49 Backing Trump’s Withdrawal 34:22 Israel’s Media Influence 39:14 West Bank Ethnic Cleansing 48:39 Lessons From the Defeat 51:34 Gun Ruling and SPLC Scandal 56:28 Zionist Tensions Explained 59:28 Course Updates + Q&A 1:04:51 Reading Novels and History 1:08:46 Why the Iran War Happened (Cleaned up w/ the Podsworth app. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podsworth.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) Provoked show site: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://provoked.show⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Darryl's links: X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@martyrmade⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://subscribe.martyrmade.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Scott's links: X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@scotthortonshow⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://scotthortonacademy.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://libertarianinstitute.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://antiwar.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://scotthorton.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://scotthorton.org/books⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.scotthortonshow.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Negotiate now. End this war. You're watching Provoked with Daryl Cooper and Scott Horton, debunking the propaganda lies of the past, present, and future. This is provoked. Yay, it's the show. It's me, Scott Horton and my good buddy, Marta May. Darryl Cooper, how you doing, Darrell?

Doing all right. doing all right, been outside in the sun, most of the day pulling up weeds while listening to an audio book that I need to listen to for the next Martyr-made podcast, but good day overall. All right, man, good times.

Well, me, I've been getting interviewed all day long and saying the same thing over and over again. So instead of that, I'm going to ask you to comment on some things that are going on. First, though, it is crucial that I show the people this, which is expat money.

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And a huge part of that is because of immigration, deportations, but also sort of self-deportations, people giving up and leaving. But also Americans who are giving up because of the cost of living. They can't afford because of the price inflation, the monetary and price inflation. And they just can't get a race fast enough to keep up with inflation. So they're moving to Portugal. they're moving to wherever in order to protect their own net. And we're all patriots here.

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They've released the official American version of it yesterday. and they're supposed to sign tomorrow. This is live Thursday night, but a lot of people are going to be hearing the recording of this, but on Friday, they're supposed to be meeting in Switzerland in order to sign the deal. And, well, let's just go over it here for a bit.

In fact, boy, if I have my act together, man, I have it. Oh, I don't want to do that, do I? And I had a little summary I'd written for myself somewhere, but essentially, I guess what it comes down to is that the only thing Iran does for America is they reopen the strait. And everything else in here, America does for Iran. And that includes security guarantees,

promises not to intervene in their internal affairs anymore, a recognition of at least some of their nuclear rights as to be, you know, which they punt on the nuclear issue overall, but there's some recognition of their nuclear rights in there to be negotiated further. A recognition, you know, there's a little term. a phrase in there, but it's ultimately a recognition of their dominance of the Gulf. It says there will be no tolls or controls over the Gulf for 60 days.

And then there will be in a joint condominium with the Omanis. Then it says that America will release about $25, I guess $24 billion in frozen assets. And they're going to begin to set up, and they're not disputing this, although a little bit of the terms, but a $300 billion reconstruction fund, and that's what they're calling it. Reparations fund for all the, we destroyed in the war, and whatever else they want to spend it on. Then the, well, here, I can put this up here while I'm talking. This is from the Axios version here. we're going to lift all of the sanctions regime Darrell.

All of it. Like dating back to I don't know when, but supposedly that's the agreement is like whatever. What? Going back to Bill Clinton days or something? I don't know. They're going to lift all the sanctions. And, oh, Iran does promise not to get nuclear weapons,

but that's ultimately superfluous. As anyone who knows anything about this subject knows, they had already promised that repeatedly. That's a win. We'll give it to Trump if he wants to put a, feather in his hat, but we all see it for what it is, at least. And then, I don't want to skip anything important here. I'm sorry. Oh, and they agreed to maintain the nuclear status quo.

And what they mean by that is Iran promises not to reopen and try to enrich uranium at Fordo and Natanz, at least for now. And America promises not to add any new sanctions in the name of their nuclear program as long as talks are going on. I think that's the $24 billion there execute mechanism and then Security Council ratified. So that's basically the gist of it. So they're getting sanctions.

They're getting unfrozen funds. They're getting a recognition of at least their rights to some nuclear program. And they're going not even back to February 27th, but to a new state of supremacy. over the Persian Gulf. Gerald Cooper, your comments? Well, a couple things.

So first of all, as much as I've criticized Trump for getting us involved in this mess, if this sticks, he does deserve some credit. You know, in a lot of ways, when it's not your kids who are being sent off to the battlefield, for a politician, it takes a lot more courage to stop a war than it does to keep one going. And it would have been easy for him to just kind of,

drag things along just Afghanistan it you know kind of just drag things along and say I didn't lose it the next president lost it or whatever but if he's going to take the pill then then he deserves some credit for that I was watching a clip earlier today

I'm sure you saw it he was there with Leutnik and Rubio and they both sort of reacted as if maybe like very subtly but as if maybe Trump wasn't supposed to let this out but he said publicly that we have four weeks of

oil reserves left. And I don't think I don't know exactly what that means you know, what the context is, but the point is you know, it's obvious that somebody got in his year and explain to him that we

cannot continue to do this. I read a short little parentheses here, Darrell. I read a thing, and I'm sorry, I need a footnote on this. I'll see if I can find it. But I read a thing that The problem is they're emptying the strategic petroleum reserve and all this. And the problem is if the level gets too low, then the pressure is too low and the machinery starts to come apart.

You need to have a certain amount of oil in the system to keep it all together. So this is actually sort of the opposite of what they said they were doing to Iran. Remember just three weeks ago, they said because they can't export out of that straight, that means they'll have too much oil and it'll overwhelm all their infrastructure and break it. Well, ours was becoming underwhelmed and was on the verge of breaking. You know, I see a lot of people here in the chat and just in general, very reasonably saying that, you know, this is all well and good. Trump can sign whatever he wants. JD Vance can go do a press tour defending whatever he wants, but at the end of the day, Israel's got, you know, a veto because they can just hit Lebanon and provoke Iran.

that might be true, but I don't know, man. I mean, I think that had to, you know, the American side had to have understood that that was a possibility when they agreed to this thing in the first place. I mean, they probably had to assume that it would happen. And so, you know, I don't know how far they're willing to go to reign Israel in, to keep them under control in Lebanon, or to get them to pull out of the South.

But, you know, it may just be as simple as, you know, Israel hits Lebanon, Iran hits Israel, and we just kind of look the other way. And if Israel wants to take on Iran by themselves, good luck to you. You know, it's,

yeah, it's hard to forecast that part of it. But, you know, as part of like a larger issue, I mean, there's this old book by the historian Paul Kennedy, the rise and fall of great powers. And it's a big long book. Most of it, though, is examples sort of fleshing out a pretty simple, straightforward thesis, which is that, you know, empires or rather powers, powers and great powers, they tend to expand and grow, and they're

on the rise as long as their economic growth is outpacing the growth and cost of their military commitments. But once that threshold is crossed, or, actually as you're approaching that threshold, you start to see like diminishing returns, right? So expansion costs more, brings fewer benefits, and eventually you hit this threshold where even successful expansions or of one kind or another, wars that you quote unquote won,

just end up costing you more, either immediately or in the long run, than they benefit you. And at that point, you know, that's when you get Trajan's wall built, and, or Hadrian's wall built. And, you know, if you think about like the Roman Empire, actually, I mean, the, you know, the Roman Empire did not, the Western Roman Empire did not start to roll back its frontiers,

you know, because it was retreating in the face of greater military pressure. It started to roll back its frontiers because it just didn't make any sense to continue to have a bunch of soldiers up in Britain, you know, or wherever, just way, way out there and places that were not bringing anything into the empire, really, like economically to justify the cost. And this war, I mean, this is like, I see a ton of people out there coping, you know, about how all we decimated their military and blah, blah, blah, all the Trump talking points about how you want to call this a loss after what we did to them. It's like, bottom line is that Iran came out of this, just in a geopolitical sense, much better than they did when they started than they were when they started.

and we came out worse. We didn't achieve any of our goals. And the reason for that was not because we sent in, you know, all of our infantry and, you know, paratroopers and everything else, and they got wiped out. It was because we hit a point where we realized we cannot bear the cost of this. Like, we just can't, you know, the energy cost, the overall economic cost, just everything about it.

We simply are not willing to and probably cannot bear it. And Iran was sending the message. And I'll tell you what, like there were a lot of times. Treat of Parsi, actually, he would say this a lot, maybe like, right as the really hot phase of the war was starting to, like, wind down a little bit, he said that, you know, one of the things he was worried about that might cause another flare-up is Iran overplaying its hand. By, you know, pressing its advantage a little too much and just putting us in a situation where we had no choice, basically, but to face up to him. And there were a lot of times as the Iranians were continuing to press demands that seemed impossible for any U.S. administration to acquiesce to that I thought maybe they were doing that. And it turns out that they weren't doing that. It turns out that they knew where they stood. And they knew roughly where we stood.

And, you know, we discovered, you know, this thing that Russia has already discovered. They discovered it real well, once again, just recently with those strikes in Moscow, is that, you know, you take that Paul Kennedy equation of your military commitments beginning to outstrip your economic growth, and then you overlay that with the incentive structure that's built into our military industrial complex to, you know, nobody at Raytheon or Lockheed Martin gets promoted from vice president to CEO because the DOD bought another one million rounds of whatever. They get promoted because you got them to buy into the Joint Strike Fighter

or some other 30-year-long program. It's going to cost $2.4 trillion and is hyper-complexed and just basically locks in your revenue for the next few decades. Well, that's all well and good if you're Lockheed Martin. But we're seeing the consequences of that now, you know, where when the other side, the other side being every other country in the world, understanding that all they have to do is watch what we do and then build a military that is designed to counter whatever our strengths are. And that's it. They don't have to plan for every possible scenario in the entire world empire that might possibly emerge in the next UDN, anything like that. They need to look at what the American. can do and they need to figure out how to counter that in a way that is economically feasible for them. And, you know, what we found out is, you know, you just can. I mean, this is common sense, and we set it over and over on this show. But I think until it actually played out, a lot of

people still had their doubts about it, is you just cannot continue to shoot four, six, eight, ten, two million dollar interceptors at $50,000 drones forever. You just can't. It doesn't matter if you've got a GDP that's 50 times the size, 100 times the size of the other country. You just can't do it. And so, you know, what that means is that the cost of expansion, the cost of not just expansion, but of defending the imperial frontier, right,

which obviously for us is not as territorial as it was for Rome, say, but still, like the frontier in the sense of, like we are the ones who call the shots in this area. You know, that's our frontier sort of, like, right? And where our influence holds sway. And what we just learned, I mean, I would be surprised if, you know, I don't remember if this is in the MOU or not. I don't think it is, like us evacuating our bases.

That seems to be one thing that Iran has sort of like let go of. But they may have done that because I don't think, I don't know if we're going to rebuild a lot of those bases. I mean, it's just, it's going to take years. It's going to take billions of dollars. And we just prove that all they are are liabilities in a hot war with the real power. And, you know, that's basically, like that is just an encapsulation, basically, of Kennedy's thesis. You know, it just doesn't make any sense anymore for us to maintain bases in those places.

And that leaves you in a place where you just got to come to an arrangement with the powers. who were in that region. And I think that, you know, there are Americans who kind of understand that. From everything I've been seeing, clips from Israeli media, Israeli editorials, people on social media,

they do not seem to understand that. I mean, they are, I'm trying, and I'm sure you're trying as much as I am, to remember that there was a real human cost here and not to take a tremendous amount of joy in having been right about everything and watching the worst people in the world cry their eyes out because they're not getting their way. It's very tempting to feel a great deal of joy about that.

Obviously, there's a lot of people dead, you know, and we shouldn't do that. But it's tough, man, because they are freaking out. And it is, you know, I mean, it's on the other hand, it's like, you're not supposed to take joy in other people's misfortune or suffering, but if they're misfortune and suffering is that their evil plan wasn't, you know, able to go through, then I guess we should be able to celebrate that. Yeah. All right, a couple things. First of all, thank you to Patrick in the comments there.

It was Larry Johnson's blog website, Sonar 21, where I read that this morning about the oil infrastructure stuff. So credit to him. And then also some people are pointing out, and I found this out actually from Mario Nofall, Nolfo. And when he interviewed me today, it was just breaking that, There were reports originally from a Lebanese paper tied to Hezbollah,

and then there was another one in Iran that said this, although last I heard this was not the official government statement, but it was just like an anonymous source says kind of thing, that they have canceled their appearance in Switzerland tomorrow due to Israeli strikes in Lebanon. In other words, the Israelis may have already sabotaged the thing, even though whatever they signed it digitally for whatever that's worth, they were supposed to sign it in Switzerland.

That's a big deal, you know, kind of thing. So it seems to me like still part of the negotiation. Go ahead. It seems to me like still part of the negotiation, you know. I agree. I think they've come this far. They probably don't want to skip it. But I guess it's a real, this is the test.

This is what it all comes down to. It's the real test. If we're like trying to figure out what kind of tool that, we use to measure the relationship between Trump and Netanyahu and their competing priorities here. And I think, as I've said before, I think they way overplayed the divides between them. I think a lot of that is just kind of job-reed. But I think that he leads and Netanyahu has to follow. So the question of whether I'm wrong about that will be, will play out tomorrow. or tonight,

if Israel just carpet bombs a crap out of Beirut in a way to make sure that no matter what, that Iran absolutely cannot go to Switzerland and that the deal will have to die because of it. It's such a breach. Then we'll know that like, wow, damn.

Because I, well, I don't know. Maybe that would indicate that Trump was in on that. They were in on pretending to negotiate twice before. But I don't know. This seems like a little much. It does. I mean, they got J.D. Vance going, doing his press tour

kind of selling this thing. And yeah, that, I mean, wasn't there something also in the MOU about the whole thing was to be ratified by the UN Security Council? Last thing. Yeah, that's like serious. I mean, if that actually,

if it actually gets that far, then, you know, I will say this for Trump. If, again, assuming this deal goes through. And Israel, you know, everybody says Israel has the ability to sabotage this deal. What Israel has the ability to do? is continue to strike Lebanon. It's up to us whether we let that sabotage the deal.

I mean, Israel wants to take on Iran by themselves. Knock themselves, they can knock themselves out. Pardon me, though, because that's not. Right. There is no world where Trump says to them, go ahead and have the war, but we're not going to help you do it. He's either got to insist that they stop

or go ahead and fight. Well, so here's the thing. I mean, say, go ahead and fight and lose because we are going to refuse to send you the missiles you need. That is politically absolute. Well, I don't think it would be that. I think it would be, like, if they knew we were serious about it, it wouldn't be that they would go and try to fight and lose.

I think that they would have to leave Lebanon. And they would have to back down and, like, you know, accept their circumstances. Now, on the other hand, though, I mean, I just don't know if Netanyahu has the room. I don't know if he can back out of Lebanon and, like, let this. thing go. I mean, maybe, like, there's a way that it could all be blamed on Trump and he betrayed us, or J.D. Vance was whispering his year, like the guy in Lord of the Rings or whatever. But, I mean, Netanyahu will be out of office for sure and maybe be in jail if that happens. I mean, and, and, yeah, his coalition will just fall apart. I mean, his coalition would immediately collapse.

So he even made a move towards starting to pull back out of Lebanon, admitting that this is over. So I don't know how much room he has, but again, I keep coming back to the idea that everybody on the American side had to know that all of this was the case before they ever even, you know, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if they had talked directly to the Iranians about it. Like, we know this is going to happen, right? We both understand that this is actually going to happen. So what do you make up Pence here? And he speaks for a lot of them in, you know, the old George Jobb Bush Republican War Party saying that you just, can't do this, right? Like, he's not exactly

in Israeli crying about it. But he seems, you know, Danny Davis had a tweet about this criticizing Pence and essentially just saying, like, what's your plan? Can you not see what's happened? We tried.

Didn't work. This is the thing, don't quit now. We have no choice, but Pence seems to just not recognize that. Yes, it's all of them, dude. You keep seeing all this language

about appeasement or whatever. It's like, no, we lost. We gave us. at our best shot and we lost. We can't continue economically. We don't have the missile inventories. There is absolutely no room politically, economically, anything for like a serious ground invasion, and we might lose that too. I mean, it's, they just, they can't process that. And I understand, because it's really hard as an American to really wrap your head around that. But this was a military defeat. You know, this was not something where we got bored and went home. This is something

where our munitions were running low. Our bases that we operated out of, that we needed to operate out of in order to execute this war were getting destroyed. And our regional allies that we needed to help us out were, they were getting cold feet and they were done with it. And so that's what, what that's caused, you lost the war. And when you lose a war, you got to do something. You got to do things that you don't really want to do. And so, you know, they need, they'll, they're going to have to wrap their head around that eventually. I mean, maybe, obviously their plan or their, you know, part of their goal here is to just shame Trump and just, you know, just attack his ego and make it so that he just has to, for ego reasons, kind of go back on, on his word here and get back into the war. But again,

like, based on the things he's saying, the things Vance is saying, the structure of that, deal in the first place. What it tells me is that there is a recognition at the highest levels that we simply cannot do this anymore. That this isn't a question of whether we feel like continuing or stepping it up or not. Like I saw somebody in the chat talking about being sure, you know, mostly sure that this is just another pretext for escalation. We cannot escalate anymore.

Like we don't have the, like this whole idea that like we're going to step it up and go twice as hard as we went in the first 40 days of the war or whatever, we don't have the munitions for that. We just don't, you know? And so it's, yeah, it's, again, it's going to take a while for people to really process it. And they're going to do everything they can if it does stick to make sure that it goes down as a sort of, I mean, it's funny. You see, like, especially given that Trump sign, it wasn't the deal itself, I guess,

but whatever he signed in Versailles had to do with the deal. I just, I wonder if he was like even remotely aware of the symbolism there, because you know Macron and everybody else was. But, you know, it's funny because he does that. He signs that in Versailles and already what you're seeing in the Israeli press is a big stab in the back theory. Oh, we had this. It was all, it was right in our hands.

Victory was there. And we got stabbed in the back by the Americans by 20. You know, Daryl, that's fine with me as long as Trump keeps throwing them under the bus and blaming them and scapegoating them for everything. Because that makes for some great quotables. He's always so hyperbolic. You know what I mean? We could get some really great Trump quotes about how horrible the Israelis are. Like, you know, you don't have to bomb a whole apartment building just because you're trying to kill one guy.

Like, yeah, you know what? Quote the president of the United States of America. Everybody, you hear that? You know? Yeah, and ain't he right about that? But now, I want to play this as just comic relief. I'm just dying over this. I'm sorry.

I just love this so much. This is Trump rationalizing the backing down on the question of Iranian missile stocks. So we'll be working on a parallel effort with the Gulf Nations to address non-nuclear issues, such as the conventional ballistic missiles, which we'll be talking about, and support them. I mean, they have to have some because other people have some. We've got to have some. Somebody said, you shouldn't give them one. I have guys, I like some of these guys,

but I don't think they're smart. Sir, you shouldn't let them have any missile. He said, well, what am I going to do? We're going to let Saudi Arabia have missiles, but they can't have them? Yes, sir. It doesn't work that way, you know? It doesn't work that way. Missiles aren't the problem.

Missiles, they hurt a little location, but they don't blow up the planet. I'm sorry. I just love that so damn much. I can't help it. But wait, somewhere in here, the shrug is so good. Yeah, here. Wait. That face right there is...

What are he going to do, huh? That cutout that they use of one of his expressions on South Park, where they have him as Saddam Hussein, you know, where they use little different cutouts to him. That's what. Hey, they're going to have some missiles. What? Everybody's got missiles. We like...

missiles too? I've come, I don't think. I mean, more like that. You know, I'll say this for this. I'm sorry to promote his work here.

I don't want to. He just, but watch this one. We've been pretty tough in that. You know, it's also, it is a little hard, though,

when you say that somebody wants to, other people have it, other adjoining states have it, and you're not letting them have it for purposes of electricity and things like that. It's always a little tough.

You have to use a little common sense. Please. It's just a little bit of uranium enrichment, Daryl Cooper. They got an electricity program, dude, ain't you heard? Yeah, look, man. Like, I would say that, you know, for all the people who have felt betrayed by Trump, and rightfully so,

the heavy breathing there is my dog. Okay. All right, go ahead, Daryl. For all the people who have felt betrayed by Trump, because of this war. Rightfully so, I'm one of them. I'm not going to say that you have to go, like, jump onto the Maga train or whatever. But if, you know, if you're online posting or if you're talking to people,

I mean, you've got to be out there encouraging him on this and back in his play on this. I mean, you know, because Mark Levin's evil, but he's smart. He's smart enough to know that that, that, um, you know, when he's criticizing Trump, he puts at the end of it, you know, but I adore President Trump. He's the best and blah, blah, blah. I just disagree with that. He's smart enough to know, you know, to keep that line intact. And, you know, Trump, we got to give him props if he deserves it. And if he gets us out of this, as much as it's all his fault that we're in it in the first place and all that, you got to understand that the easy thing to do would have been to just drag this out.

Right. That would have been the easy thing. It would have been hard. Yeah. You're right. And so I hope, you know, a man, think about like with those clips you just played. And then the one that you mentioned earlier where he's, I mean, he's saying that, you know, the Israelis got to stop bombing an entire apartment building just because a guy from Hezbollah walked into it and stuff.

That is like Overton window moving, like, just removing it from the frame and putting it in a different house. I mean, that is amazing to hear something like that from a president. You can't put that kind of stuff back in the bottle. Once it's been said by a president, by Trump, that makes it okay for people to say. And it changes the whole. I have to interject here too that maybe I don't have to. Sorry. But that I think it's like fake.

I think that Trump and Netanyahu had a phone call where they agree that, listen, we're going to have to talk bad about each other for a few days as we go through this. Right? Like we're stopping short of the goals that you needed us to do for you. So you're going to have to be frustrated about that and other politicians in your cabinet or whatever going to have to say negative things about that. But then also I'm going to have to say that like, yeah, the Israelis got their problems and I wish they weren't doing what they were doing in Lebanon and whatever as my part of

the deal with Iran. That I have to make it clear that I don't endorse what you're doing there and whatever, not make it clear, but at least make it sound like. I'm not happy with what you're doing there and all that. But still, it doesn't matter. Because as you say, the Overton window thing is still true. Whoever the hell this Overton guy is. I don't know why it's his damned window.

But anyway, the 3x-card of allowable opinion, and he just tore that up and rewrote a brand new one. And that's huge. As you said, those quotes, you can't take that back. And Trump can't say anything without the ultimate in hyperbole. So if he says an anti-war thing, he says it well. You know what I mean? Like when he, in his first term,

he talked about the military-industrial complex, and they'd be like, they love war. You know why? The money. They love money. They love the smell of blood and like, I think, like, embellishment, but just barely. So, yeah, you're right.

And that is absolutely crucial that Trump himself said, yeah, the problem with the Israelis is that they killed too many civilians. In fact, in that same rent, he was explaining, that maybe we should send al-Qaeda in from Syria to handle it instead, implying that they have a greater respect for innocent life than the Israelis do. Like, take your medicine, Republican voters out there. You heard him. Yeah.

And also the stuff with regard to Iran, too, I mean, you know, the things he's saying, and he said this himself, like, it's just common sense. like you can't tell every you can't tell them you can't have the only weapon that you can use to defend yourself from the is right i mean that's just ridiculous uh unless your goal is just regime collapse and as long as that was our goal that's what we said if that's not that you know then then it's just obvious but still to say it to put it out there you know the idea that um what israel has a right to defend itself, but so does Iran. It's, yeah, it's a big deal for him to be saying that.

Especially because, you know, it's so funny, you go online, you watch, I haven't posted on Twitter in a while, but I was, I had to read it, you know, as this was going on. And you see, like, a lot of the people, Will Chamberlain, a lot of these others who, you know, at the beginning of the war, when people are saying, you know, wait, Trump said he wasn't going to do this, and this is a terrible idea of what's happening, I don't get it. Hey, hey, hey, trust Trump, okay? He has more information than you do. Rubio, Hegset.

They have more information than you sitting in your house and your underwear. So just trust them. Okay, they know what they're doing. And they are flipping out and crying their eyes out now. And, you know, it's, yeah. And it's, it's, that's sort of my gauge for how optimistic to be is how truly upset the like connected Zionish shills are.

I sort of like use that as my weather vein to decide whether I should be optimistic that this is going to go through. And so far it looks pretty good. Good rule of thumb there anyway. All right. And so by the way, speaking of them the lower ranks of the war party, this is from news.antywar.com by the great

Dave DeKamp, our news editor over there. And report Netanyahu aims to influence U.S. Iran deal through U.S. media figures, senators and this is a CNN report oh you talk let me mute this Mike uh go ahead and take it from there darrell say something okay so um i think levin was the only one who was mentioned by name in there but uh you know we all know who these people are and it is kind of amazing to see right that you have you have an actual report uh that the Israelis a foreign government are going to try to influence the foreign policy of the United States by utilizing agents within the U.S. who are citizens.

And, you know, is that something that maybe you get away with it the last few years since Elon took Twitter over or whatever? But it was not that long ago that probably gets you kicked off most social media for saying something like that, suggesting just the possibility that, you know, they would be advocating for the United States to do something. It was not in its interest in order to serve Israel's interests. And so, yeah, it's nice to see it all out in the open. That's what a lot of this stuff is great for, man. Because the thing is, right, the hardest thing about this issue,

and so many of these issues that, you know, that you care about, that we talk about, are that once everything is out there, once everything, like, the truth is out there, once people see what's going on, the other side cannot convince people to go along with whatever it is they're trying to do. They just can't.

They have to obfuscate. They have to keep things out of public view. They have to make it verboten to talk about, you know, certain obvious things and, you know, and to say common sense things. And once that kind of breaks down and people see it, like, and I guarantee you, I'm not talking about your, you know, you're permanently online, like, Maga, Psycho, but your grandpa who watches Fox News, right? and he sees Trump, and yet he sees him say, well, look, you know,

they got to have some missiles. I mean, everybody around them has missiles. What am I supposed to just tell them they can't have missiles when everyone else? And he says, your grandpa says, well, yeah, that makes sense. And so, like, it's one of those things that, like, once it's out there, it makes sense to everybody because it is true and obvious. And those little things, though, I mean, they just destroy the other side's ability to continue to manipulate you.

And, I mean, look, they're going to pull out all the stops. Who knows what kind of dirty tricks they're going to pull the, you know, to try to force Trump one way or another to go back on this, assuming, you know, he's not in on it, which I just don't think so. Like, the reason I don't think that he's in on it, and this is all some grand plan, is if we had a military option, we would have used it by now. We don't have one. I mean, we just don't. 11 says, by the way, um, this is a little bit. This is already the talking point that's gone out. I wonder how to get on that email list under a false name, you know?

He says, time for a change in strategy. We should consider slow walking the enemy, build up our munitions, our oil reserves, get the price of gas down, get through the midterms, then knock them out. Instead of rushing to a deal, building up their oil industry, transferring billions to them, et cetera. So we should just... They're just living in a fantasy land. I mean, you know, where they just, they still assume. that the U.S. has infinite military power, and it's just a question of whether or not we decide

to press the win the war button. And like, it's just not true. You know, it's just not true. Yeah. All right. So listen, we got to do a spot here real quick for one of our great supporters is Matt Sersely, the tax lawyer. If you own a small business or say you make a lot of money and you're trying to protect, you know, in terms of like high salary type profession, that kind of thing. trying to protect your assets. Then you go to not just a great accountant, but a great lawyer. And Matt Sersely knows the ins and outs of every bit of the tax code. And we'll make sure you do not pay one penny more than you have to.

That's agoristtaxadvice.com for the great lawyer, Matt Sersely. And so, yeah, bringing this show here to you about these things. And including here, I wanted to show you this. we actually have some non-Iran news and non-Israel-related news coming up here in a few minutes. What time is it? Yeah, we got a few minutes. But this is Israel, but not Iran.

This is the Matt Sarsely Israeli atrocity in the West Bank of the day here. This is the opinion of the former Prime Minister of Israel, Ehud Olmer, Beryl. Israel is conducting a systematic campaign of ethnic lens. and crimes against humanity in the West Bank. Now, Allmer, you might remember, was from the Kadima Party, and the Kadima Party was Ariel Sharon

and his men after he split from Netanyahu in the Lakoud. And Ariel Sharon, well, Darrell, tell the people, who's Ariel Sharon? The butcher of Beirut. The butcher of Beirut. Yeah. This is his right-hand man. And when he was president,

he was, you know, absolutely a man of the right. and of the Lakud type right the whole time. And, you know, he was during the W. Bush years is when he was prime minister. It was like 06 to 08 or 09 or something. Yeah, to like the beginning of 09 was when Netanyahu came back. Yeah. So right around the time that Obama was being sworn in just after that. Which I had that wrong, I guess.

I double checked. I hope I have it right now. I had thought that it was in the fall of 08. But I guess I had that wrong. it was after Obama was sworn in. Because I double-checked and I think I'm right the second time. Yeah, it was right before cast-led, I think. So, yeah, I think you're right.

Yeah. So, well, that... Wasn't it? That started. No, that was Olmer that did that. So Cass-led ended. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it was Olmer that did cast-led. I mean, he was horrible. And he also tried to get Bush to attack Iran in 2000. 2007. But anyway, so now that he's not in charge anymore, he likes to criticize Netanyahu for what it's worth. And I think it should be worth something. I mean, again, this is a guy of the nationalist greater Israel, right? He's not some Nambi, Pambi, you know, Labor Party war criminal like Ehud Barak or something like that. So, and here, what he's saying is, well, we're ethnic, ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity. And he's referring to the settlers. backed by the military. Jewish terrorism, he calls it, in the West Bank. You know, like if you say Islamist terrorism, that's how he's defining this terrorism,

the former Prime Minister of Israel. The fight against Jewish terrorism in the West Bank must advance to the next stage to be waged with greater determination. The daily terrorism is managed, directed, encouraged, and supported by the Israeli government can no longer be tolerated. And I'm sorry because I thought I had more of this thing

here. Let me see if I got it on if they have it on Archive. You know, they really screwed over Archive.org. It's not nearly as good as it used to be. But here, yeah, no, we do have it. So, what's happening across the West Bank today is not the work of 70s kids from broken

homes as Prime Minister Netanyahu once tried to claim. Nor are these the crimes of small anomalous minority among a settlement residents as some leaders contend. Today it must be said the state of Israel is conducting an organized, systematic, state-funded campaign of ethnic lensing and crimes against humanity.

Not in the Gaza Strip. Not in southern Lebanon. Not in Syria. Them too. But in areas of the West Bank that are under the exclusive security control of the state and its security and law enforcement apparatus. So I guess that's a remarkable sentence actually because you're right. What it actually does mean is like not in the Gaza Strip southern Lebanon and Syria.

We all know that. Like that's obvious, you know. But that is what he's saying right there. Right. Yeah. And then, yeah, the stipulation here, the discrepancy, is here we're talking about not a so-called war zone on other people's land we've invaded,

but land that we already annexed and control on the West Bank. You know, that's where we control all of it. In other words, it's a canned hunt against helpless people who have no means of fighting back whatsoever. Not like slaughter in the Palestinians in Gaza's a fair fight or anything, but you take his meaning. This is a place that is under their police control, and yet this is still happening on their watch. Yeah.

What do you say? It's not going to, I don't know if, look, those settlers are crazy. They're extremely well armed. And they, even if you were to put together a coalition, a 51% coalition in the Israeli government that was ready to actually try and stop this stuff, I don't know, man. I mean, it could be civil war. I mean, you saw what happened just when a few times when the government tried to evacuate some of the settlements, forced evacuations of illegal settlements. I mean, it was riots and the Israeli government usually backs down because it doesn't have the stomach for it. And I don't know. It's going to be tough, man. They've kind of made their bed in the West Bank.

You know, they did a sort of like, you know, like ISIS did where they put out a call for all the craziest Muslims in every country in the entire world that come to this one place. and do it. That's what you've gotten a lot of parts of the West Bank, you know, a bunch of fanatics from Brooklyn and London, wherever else. I mean, what other kind of person is going to be like, you know, oh yeah, I want to do that. I'm going to go out and live on a hill in the middle of a desert surrounded by hostile people. It's going to be somebody who is, you know, extremely committed for ideological and religious reasons. And so they have a population out there that is not playing around. And I don't know if the Israeli, and, you know, because of like, you know, so many of the

the sort of quote unquote normal Israeli people, young people, you know, either finding ways out of military service or, you know, making sure they end up in one of the intelligence branches

or somewhere other than the combat arms branches. There's a lot of stories out there about how the combat arms branches are dominated by a bunch of these religious psychos. Yeah. And so, I mean, good luck maybe getting them to go,

you know, to go use force to, stop the settlers from doing anything. Good luck with that. And so I don't know, man. I mean, it's it's it's very, very, very dark. And, you know, because the settlements have have infiltrated so far, just the entire West Bank, like it is really hard to see it ending in any other way than the Palestinians finally giving up and just trickling out and it becoming Israeli territory or those settlers being one way or another violently thrown out of that place. It's really hard see another alternative.

Well, yeah, you know, I think if this Iran war, it gone a bit better, the chances would be even greater that there would be a massive cleansing, I mean a massive one in the West Bank. But maybe it's the other way too, right? Maybe the West Bank is going to be Netanyahu's Grenada. We're like, okay, maybe I got created in Lebanon, but I can whip on these people. And he just starts absolutely bombing the West Bank cities, the way he did the Gaza Strip cities

and then demands that people evacuate. What are the civilian population going to do? They have to go. It's the same thing that happened in 48. It's the same thing that happened right in front of our eyes over the last three years in Gaza. They bombed the crap out of the place. And then they say to everybody who's still alive,

beat it, you're next. And they go, okay, and they had no choice, but to do a big force march south or west or whatever. East, get the hell out of there. And so I could see him like, There's one bridge. I don't know how many, is there just one big bridge to Jordan?

Get on it and you better hurry. You got till sundown or you're all dead and then what are they going to do? And honestly, with Donald Trump in the White House, who's going to stop them? You know, people talk about Netanyahu knows his time is limited.

He's got to get these things done before the American people have finally had it all the way up to ear with him and with Israel and turn America's back on Israel. They got to hurry up and start this war. with Iran now. Well, I'm afraid I don't have any bad ideas, but I'm afraid they're going to go ahead and go for it and destroy the West Bank cities. Yeah, you know, that might backfire on them, though, because

if you sent a few million more Palestinians over to Jordan, Jordan might not have a Hashmite king very much longer. And, you know, you might have an actual Palestinian state right across the river. You know, the majority, the population of Jordan is already majority Palestinian. And, you know, the king of Jordan was a British import from the hijaz down in Saudi, or wasn't Saudi yet, but from Arabia. And he's not from there. His family's not from there. And he's got a bunch of Bedouins who are like his royal enforcers, you know,

over the local population. In fact, talking about Ariel Sharon, like, that was something that he tried, he had a plan back in the late 70s when he was pushing for war in Lebanon to ferment and get the Christians and Shiites to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians from Lebanon so that they would all go to Jordan, overthrow the government, have a Palestinian state, and then Israel can say, all right, we're good, right? But I don't know, man, that could backfire on them too.

You know, there's one thing I wanted to say before we get to questions and stuff, is that I said this at the beginning of the war, and I, you know, I was, I didn't know how I felt about saying it because, you know, like, I'm a veteran, and I don't, you know, I don't like seeing America lose wars, but, you know, like when I say my prayers every night, right, one of the things that I say on a regular basis is I, you know, I ask that God teaches me the lessons that he needs me to learn in order to be the person that he needs me to be as gently as possible, you know? And if I don't get the message, then that's on me, but give me a couple chances, you know, with the easy lessons before you start bringing the hard ones in. And this might be our easy lesson. You know, this might be a situation. Look, if we would have gone into Iran and just wipe the floor with them,

we might have been a war with Russia and China in 10 years. I mean, because we might have just been so confident and just thought, you know, look at what Russia is doing with Ukraine and then we just wipe out Iran like this. This might be our easy lesson where we recognize the limits of what we can actually do. And it may be the thing that keeps us out of, you know, the next really big war. And we did it with, you know, again, not minimal cost to, uh, to Iran and a lot of other places, but at least minimal cost to the, to the United States. And, uh, and if it does prevent that greater war, because enough people recognize that there are

just, there are just limits to our capabilities, then, you know, that would be a silver lining. Yeah. For sure. That's a good way to put it all, too. I agree. Um, all right, look, another one of our sponsors here on the show is Moondos artisan coffees. Get it, they hate Starbucks because Starbucks supports the war party. And so they're Moondos artisan coffees. And here they got Scott Horton

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Yeah, we didn't get to any questions last week. We might have gotten one or two the week before, but we've been slacking on that. We've got to give them some air time. All right, man. Well, you'll be in charge of that in just a minute because check this out. Unanimous Supreme Court decision limits the power of federal government to disarmed drug users. Why, this guy, they said he couldn't own a gun, what, because he liked to smoke the weed?

And then now the Supreme Court has said, nope, that federal law is unconstitutional and illegal and will not stand. It wasn't it nine to nothing? Not stand. It was nine to nothing. Gorsuch wrote it. The law has been the law since the 60s. And let's see what it says here. The court settled the case in a way that was exceedingly limited, reserving broader questions about whether federal prosecutors could target people who are addicted to drugs or whose use of drugs makes them a danger to themselves or others.

The slimness of the decision was underscored by the unanimity of the thing. The case centered on Ali Daniel Hermani, a dual citizen of the U.S. and Pakistan, who was indicted in 23 on a single count of violating the federal anti-guns and drugs law. Just Department accused him of many things, stealing drugs, using coke, and sympathizing with Iran. His indictment followed an FBI search of his family's home that turn up a Glock 9mm pistol and 60 grams of pot.

Quote, we do not question that sometimes in individuals' unlawful use of marijuana or any other controlled substance may render him a danger to others, the court wrote. But again, the government disclaims the need to show anything like that in this case. Instead, it asks us to conclude that anyone who regularly uses marijuana is categorically violent and dangerous without any further showing. And that is a bridge too far. Thanks a lot, national government lawyers for doing such a lousy job stating your case. So the law struck down, and so now all the gun-owning potheads out there can own both,

which is good. This is supposed to be a free society. What the hell is this? Germany or something? And then also, this is hilarious, man. This last one I'll save for my show. I'm going to get this guy on my show hopefully tomorrow and talk about the Bosnia thing. But this I got to show you, Darrow Cooper.

The SPLC official allegedly funneled $1.2 million to neo-Nazi informant who was a secret romantic partner. $140,000 of it ended up in their shared bank account. And then look, DOJ says the millions funneled to them four robes and cross burning. And the thing I read about it earlier said that what it was was they would buy the wood and the fuel. and then the SPLC would reimburse them and pay them back for the costs. We don't burn the cross, we light the cross, boy. Anyway, so, according to the document,

the director of the SPLC's Intelligence Project was in a secret romantic relationship with a paid field source who infiltrated a neo-Nazi organization known as a National Alliance. Oh, and that's the other thing. I read a thing, this is William Pierce's group from a long time ago, and he died like 20 years. years ago or something. And they say, I don't know if it's in this article or one thing I read about it.

Is this her? Gross. I read a thing that said that there were only 20 people left in the National Alliance. And the only reason they existed at all was... You know what that reminds me of? This would have been back in like 2016 or so, like, during the first Trump campaign. or maybe early in his administration, but there was this alt-right sort of podcast channel called The Right Stuff.

I don't know if it still exists anymore. And there was this show on there called The Daily Showup, which, say what you want, that's a hilarious name for a show. And one of the guys who was like one of the hosts was, I mean, he was just the king of the anti-Semites. I mean, just like, I think they even called him like at one point. like the Pope of the anti-Semites. And then it came out that he had a Jewish leftist wife.

And the whole kind of, the whole network sort of fell apart after that, as you can imagine. That's funny. So many of those guys were FBI informants. I used to say if there are three guys meeting at the Ku Kluxlan. Two of them are FBI informants, you know, or whatever. There's three Klansmen, two of them are feds. You know, that goes back to the days of Hoover. All right, anyway, well, I'll click to the comments, but you take it away, man.

You got the comments on your page to scroll through, don't you? Oh, sure. You just see it up there. The first one I see is from Bombada. He has a question for me. It's not a super chat, but I'm going to answer it anyway because it's fast. During the early Zionist movement in my podcast on that topic, I said that German Zionists hated the Polish with Zionists and vice versa.

so why I've been looking everywhere for more on this. It's not so much that the German Zionists hated the Polish Zionists. It was just that there was a very, there was a very, sort of, the best way to, the best way I can think of to sort of describe it is it was like, you know,

the stories you read about how in a place like Chicago where there was like, you know, there was a, there was like a core African-American population that went way back into the 1800s. It had been there for a long time. And once the southern blacks came in from the country, you know, down south and started moving into the city, there was a lot of like, I mean, honestly, what you would call in any other context, you would call racism against the new arrivals by the blacks were there.

They looked down on them as like these uncouth country bumpkins that were making them all look bad. Well, that's how a lot of German Jews looked at the Ostewton, all of the Jews who were in Poland, primarily the Russian Empire, is they, you know, they were different. The German Jews were very assimilated, more German than Germans, they used to like to say.

And, you know, the Polish Jews, because they lived in the Russian Empire, you know, they didn't get emancipated until way, way, way later than Jews in Western Europe. And so they were still in the Stettles until, you know, well up into the mid-delayed 1800s. So, much more isolated, much more sort of

culturally, you know, awkward, I guess you would say, like around other Europeans in a way that made the German Jews sort of shake their heads. And, you know, there was even some of this in the United States because there was a German Jewish population in the United States before there was ever a Polish, Russian Jewish population in the United States. It was small, relatively small, but it was, you know, prosperous and very well assimilated. And when a lot of the Eastern Jews started to come in from the Russian Empire in the 1880, you know, the Jews who were here, the assimilated German Jews who were here, they set up these settlement houses where, you know, if you were going to come in and you were going to expect any

kind of help getting employment from the Jewish community or like any of these other benefits that they would help you get like, get set up with, you had to go through like this process through the settlement houses that would sort of teach you how to not embarrass the rest of us is really what it was. And, you know, teach you to be Americans, basically. And so, you know, if you're the, if you're the Polish Jew, if you're the Jew from the Russian Empire, you don't necessarily like that, you know, as you can imagine. So you can kind of understand both perspectives on it, but there was some, there was some hostility there. Okay, let me see what else we got here. All right. Nica Clark, any idea when Grant, oh, this is for you, buddy, any idea on when the Grant Smith

course will be on the Academy? I just, very soon. P.S., the only thing that is Zionist here is Scott Horton Coffee, so everyone should get some. Hell yeah. You're totally right about that. Listen, I talked to Grant on the phone the other day. I owe him a bit of money. He has turned in his course. I recorded yesterday. I recorded my short little intro to his course,

and it is all about the foundation, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee and the entire history of that. And it is a long and in-depth discussion, man. Everybody's going to get so much out of it. So I was told that the ETA on the final production could be as soon as tomorrow, Friday. But I don't know that for sure. But we'll be making a big deal out of it.

Also, I am finally done with all the edits for my academy course, the second half of my academy course on the new Cold War with Russia, which is divided into. And I'm finally done with those edits. And so that will also be coming out at the... the Scott and the Academy of Foreign Policy and Freedom very soon as well. Not sure I need to check in on C.J. Kilmer and his course on how Woodrow Wilson is the worst person who ever lived. Which is such easy work. I mean, come on, CJ, hurry it up. But anyway, I got to go with LBJ, but, you know, I don't mind somebody. If they want to do Wilson,

that's okay. Yeah, no Wilson, no LBJ anyway. Yeah, yeah, enough. You know, well, he gave birth to all the Hitler's. this guy says this inevitably leads to BB losing Trump has no option as you can say and oh as you say

and he will be the sacraman for U.S. politics in the U.S. and Israel. Don't try. Right. Yeah. Don't buy to do it. Like look.

He's a goat. Cut his throat. Yeah, but the thing is you know, and hopefully he's astute enough and plugged enough, and I guess I should say not, you know, that he's not still so isolated that he can't understand that getting out of this war and telling Israel to tone it down and chill out is extremely

popular in this country. I know Mark Levine doesn't like it and all the people who actually bother to tune into his show on whatever weekend night it is, they don't like it. But, you know, the people in general, the voters and the people who are actually going to be alive in 10 years to remember who Donald Trump was when all this is over. All of those people like it. You know, there's like, you see some of these Zionist shills going around on X today talking about, you know, after Vance's media tour saying, I just, you know, this is all just causing me to lose all respect for J.D. Vance.

Is anyone else feeling that? And you look in the comments and it's just nothing but people saying like, no, this is the best thing I've ever heard him say. What do you talk? And that's how people feel about it. I mean, again, these are things that once you say them, they're so obvious, they're such common sense, and there's such obvious moral claims that, you know, they can try to scapegoat him if they want to. But, you know, unless they really do have that blackmail file or, you know, assassination squad assigned to him, he would be much, much, much better off telling them to go fly a kite. Oh, yeah. No, and I think the commenter was saying that BB is the sacrificial

name here. He has, which I don't call him that, Benjamin Deniahu. Yeah, don't call him that, man. I hate the nickname Cutsie crap, dude. I don't respect a man. Give a call him by his stupid little cute nickname, which is such an effeminate little nickname. Bebe sounds like the name of a little old Jewish lady, you know?

Meet my grandma, Beebe, you know? Give me a break. Anyway, so this guy. says, hey, Daryl, you see any similarities between the modern MAGA movement and the 1971 People's Temple? I mean, look, you've got to understand like these are, I mean, look,

obviously you have a movement that is collected around a leader and you have a, like a core followership that probably would, you know, drink Kool-Aid full of cyanide if Trump told them to as people probably do exist. The movement as a whole, though, you know, no, I don't.

don't think so. I think it's, you know, most people who are still MAGA, honestly, like, here's the difference. Yeah, if I were to say a difference, or one of the main differences, it would be this. It's that in People's Temple, there wasn't a single person who was not hardcore committed and just completely obsessed with, like, the entire movement and its politics and all these things. Maga's mostly made up of people like your grandpa who watches Fox News, and, like, that's where he gets his political fix every day, and that's it. Like, he doesn't really talk or think about it much more than that. He just likes Trump and, you know, wants to, like, that's most of MAGA.

You know, your cat turd types, yeah, he would drink a whole gallon of that cyanide and somehow stay alive until, like, you know, he got to the last drop of it, just so that he could obey the order. Funny. All right. This guy asked, this is for you, Daryl. For a young man, what percentage of reading should be classic fiction novels? or is every fiction book read a history book not read in a waste of time?

Oh, that's interesting. He wrote, I misread. Or is every fiction book read, a history book not read in a waste of time? Yeah, you know, man. You got to read that stuff because, like, there are, well, there's a million different reasons. One, it's good for a different, you know, history books are great for filling your mind with a lot of knowledge. about in context about the world that, you know, that you inhabit now and that has existed in the past. Novels, good and great novels, like, they serve a different part of you, you know,

than, then, like, your brain like that. They speak to your soul and they can honestly, like, really change who you are in really important ways. I mean, Dostoevsky is for sure, like, being exposed to Dostoevsky early on in my life and sort of having him there as a guiding light as I've, I've grown older. It's for sure made me like a much, a much humbler person, I guess would be the biggest effect that I can point to, you know,

where I really recognize when I'm acting out of a place that is less than noble, even if I'm being successful and convincing the people who are witnessing it that, you know, that it is coming from a good place. Like, he's like Dostoevsky, for me, with somebody who forces me to be honest with myself,

whether I want to or not. And so novels can do a lot of that kind of great stuff for you. And then also, even from a historical perspective, man, like, you know, you can read history books about, you know, 19th century England, but you can also go read

like a lot of the great novels there and get a much, honestly, like a much deeper and more sort of of, you know, a deeper view of the actual society that you're reading about in the history books, like that has a lot more heart, you know? And so, yeah, the way I normally do it, I mean, obviously, I've got to read so much for my damn podcast that I mostly just read nonfiction history books. But what I do is eventually I'll get to a point with my history research where my eyes just start

to cross and I find myself kind of getting bored and not really wanting to pay. pick up the next history book to, like, move on. Then I'll throw a novel or two in. And, you know, if you find yourself having trouble, like, focusing on a book, you know, throw a novel in there. The final thing I'll say about it is that reading novels makes you a better writer. And being a better writer is good whether or not, you know, you have any aspirations to publish anything or anything like that.

It'll make you a better writer and it'll help you work through and clarify, you know, a lot of your own thoughts and even sort of, you know, moral and social and spiritual questions. So, yeah, absolutely. And if you're really concerned with not wasting your time because, you know, there's so much to read out there, look, dude, you're going to, if you live to be 120 years old, you're not going to read 10% of the books that you should read. None of us are. There's just not enough time. And so, you know, go, go. wherever you're, you know, at a given time, like if you feel yourself drawn to a book, just go check it out, you know, or somebody you trust, somebody who has steered you right in the past,

recommends it, just go check it out, you know? And, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you knew I was going to say that, but that's the truth. It really is. Yeah. So, all right, one more here. The guy asked,

I saw somebody said, did he read my Star Trek super chat yet, but I couldn't find one about Star Trek, but I don't have opinions about Star Trek, so I'm not sure. But this one was saying, do I think that this war is all based on the policy paper, the path to Persia,

or which path to Persia by the Brookings Institution from, I thought it was more recent, but this guy says 2009, but whatever, no, I don't think that that's what it's about. I did read it, but I don't think that it is, that this policy is based on that,

other than in the sense that that study was published by the Heim-Sabin Center at Brookings, And so that's part of Israel's Amen Corner. So if they can come up with a bunch of supposedly American-centric reasons why America ought to attack Iran, then that should be no surprise. I'm Sabin is the guy that essentially just bought and resold the mighty morphin power rangers and made hundreds of millions of dollars in the arbitrage there, essentially. And then he spends all his money.

He's just like a Democratic Party, Sheldon Adelson, is all he is. And just like Shelton Adelson said that his greatest regret in life is he didn't serve in the IDF. His only priority in the world is serving Israel and whatever. And that's why it's the Heim Sabin Center at Brookings. It's because Brookings is not to take even a center-left liberal take on America's national interests and put that first. They're supposed to center Israel's national interest,

just like all the other thing takes. So it's funny because I hear that study brought up as a reason why, I see this is all about the American Empire, not about Israel. But the Heim-Sabin Center is all about Israel in the damn first place. And just clearly like, who are you going to believe? Some old report from Brookings or your own lie in eyes, where Netanyahu came to the United States eight times in a row to browbeat Trump into this.

And everybody knows that. In the Post, the Times, the journal, the Israeli, Israel Times, and Harets and all these, have all done the financial times in Bloomberg, whatever, have all done these giant studies on how, yeah, it was the Lakoud that convinced Trump to do this. And that's why they did it.

It's because Israel says Iran's not allowed to have a civilian nuclear program and they think they can put the shot in there if only we attack them now or something easy. The people rise up and do what we say after that, whatever. That was what happened. People I know are like, see what happens is,

and don't get me wrong. You're not. I've got to sprint to the back. Hurry up. I'm sorry, huh? I got a sprint to the bathroom. All right. I'm not vouching for every CIA assassination murder out there,

but I'm just saying there's a need whenever a nobody kills somebody important to like come up with. There must be a big explanation. Well, people want to say that there must be, even if they don't love Trump and they're not trying to rationalize it, like, oh, you just don't believe hard enough in his fifth dimensional chess. But they just think there must. be a good reason for this or we wouldn't be doing it. When the reality is, no, there's not.

It's just the goddamn Israelis. That's all. Okay, good night, everybody. I'm going to hit the button. We're going to leave. And we'll see you next week. This has been Provoked with Daryl Cooper and Scott Horton. Be sure to like and subscribe to help us beat the propaganda algorithm. Go follow at Provoked underscore show on X and YouTube. And tune in Next time for more provoked.