Provoked with Darryl Cooper and Scott Horton - EP:63 - AQ at the UN

Episode Date: September 25, 2026

In this episode, we discuss the visit of Syrian leader Ahmed Al Sharaa (formerly(?) of Al Qaeda) to the UN... but near the end! We start by discussing Germany’s experience at the end of World War I, focusing on the collapse of state authority, postwar food shortages, and the rise of militias and political violence. We also examine the Freikorps, anti-communist repression, and the fear that chaos could return at any moment. We compare this period with later events, including the end of the Cold War, Russia in the 1990s, and debates over NATO expansion and promises to post-Soviet states. We then turn to current news topics, including speeches at the United Nations, the situation in Syria and the Golan Heights, claims about Iran and U.S. policy, AI-generated misinformation in military decision-making, and recent allegations of racially motivated hangings in the United States. Chapters (AO): 0:00:00 Intro 0:00:36 Welcome and Book Talk 0:04:05 Germany After the Great War 0:08:05 Brutalization and Chaos 0:19:11 Blockade and Red Scare 0:25:39 Versailles and Broken Promises 0:33:48 NATO and Russian Concerns 0:35:12 Terrorists at the UN 0:39:40 Threats, Iran, and Memes 0:49:27 AI Hallucination Scare 0:53:34 Race Hoax Panic 1:02:23 Questions and Closing Remarks (Cleaned up w/ the Podsworth app. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podsworth.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) Sponsors: Expat Money: Secure your international Plan B: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://expatmoney.com/provoked⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Agorist Tax Advice: Pick up a free copy of the brilliant Matthew Sercely's Agorist Tax Toolkit at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://AgoristTaxAdvice.com/provoked⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Scott Horton Blend Coffee: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://moondoesartisancoffee.com/products/scott-horton-supreme-breakfast-blend⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Provoked show site: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://provoked.show⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Darryl's links: X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@martyrmade⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://subscribe.martyrmade.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Scott's links: X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@scotthortonshow⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://scotthortonacademy.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://libertarianinstitute.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://antiwar.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://scotthorton.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://scotthorton.org/books⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.scotthortonshow.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All humans break. The difference between humans and gods is that gods can break humans. Negotiate now. End this war. You're watching Provoked with Daryl Cooper and Scott Horton, debunking the propaganda lies of the past, present, and future. This is Provoked. Welcome to the show, brought to you by expat money. I'm Scott Horton. He's Gerald Cooper. I'm sorry for being so bald, but at least I'm wearing a hat.

How are you doing tonight, Coop? Doing all right, man. Like I was saying before the show, I've been out whacking weeds and mowing lawn all day. So my wife's been putting me to work on the list of chores that I've been neglecting for the last several weeks as I've been finishing this episode. So I'll work and no play. What? What? What happened to be this episode? Enemy. Sherman's War part three, the fighting man? Is that the one that you're referring to? That's the one.

Five hours, 20 minutes, I think it says there, yeah. How many? Five hours, 20 minutes. Nice. All right. So, well, geez, wouldn't you tell us all that? Put two of them together and go watch a movie and we'll have your Oklahoma City podcast. Or say your Waco podcast.

Well, you know, I just, as long as we're, you know, comparing lengths here, I just put out chapter five of the audio book of Provoked, and it is seven and a half hours. But the Russia Gate part is only like 420. So there you go. You got me beat there. That's like it makes me think of that Star Wars like Anakin meme where he's with the girl, whatever her name is. And they're like, oh, but you should break it up into chapter, Scott. And you just give her that anachin look. That is a chapter. That is a chapter.

Seven out, no, it's seven hours, eight, I might have said seven and a half. I think it's seven hours and eight minutes, 20 seconds, something like that. Anyway, but no, congratulations on this. And, you know, to tell you the truth, I only listen to the first one. I have not listened to the second.

And I think I'm now, because I'm always so dang busy. When am I ever going to do this? But what I'm going to do is I'm going to, well, I don't know if I'll wait until you're done. But maybe I'll save off a couple. I really do want to listen to this. I just don't know when I'm going to have the time.

Maybe if I take a trip sometime or something, I'm still not done listening to Grant Smith's course for the Academy. I'm way behind on listening to things. That's the point. Dude, it's hard. I mean, I used to listen to so much stuff. But now, like, just keeping up with, I sort of prioritize my friend's stuff, you know,

like even more than I do things that I probably ought to. to be listening to for my own, you know, research and whatnot for what I'm, for what I'm working on. And once you get past that, it's like, man, I just don't have any enough hours in the day, you know. Yeah. By the way, so you were telling me before we went on the air here that this episode is ranked what? With number what now? I don't know what it is now, but it got up to like 118 or something on all podcasts on iTunes. And it's only available to paid subscribers right now.

It's not even available to the general public, so that was pretty cool. That is really great to hear, man. And, you know, I can't remember who it was. I was watching an interview of you. We've talked about this before, but I was watching somebody interview you. Oh, it was Kyle when you were on Kyle Anzalone show. And you were just explaining how, like, yeah, enough time has passed now that, like, it's time to just give an objective, dispassionate sort of a reassessment here.

and you made a great case for that. You want to talk about that a little bit? Yeah, I mean, yeah, actually, you know, I saw something this morning, I think it was this morning. There was just, you know, like a little clickbait news blurb, but it was a true story.

Apparently there was on whatever the horse racing circuit or league or whatever is, like whoever the authorities are for horse racing in America. They made, they made some, the jockey association or whatever. they made some contestant horse and one of the races changed their name

because it was Austrian painter and it's like, dude, he's literally like Voldemort like he who shall not be named like can we just stop being little children about this? It's like, yeah, it's kind of a cheeky name, fine, whatever, but it's just kind of, it's a good example of how ridiculous this has become.

I mean, we're 80, we're more than 80 years past the end of that war at this point. Like, it's time to step back and get to the point where we can just stop treating it like a monster under the bed and talk about it like a normal historical event, you know, with good people and bad people, but no side that's made up of all one thing. And just talk about it, like a normal historical event and treat it that way. And that's, you know, that's really what I want to try and accomplish with this series. You know, obviously, I chose to do it from the perspective of the Germans because, I mean, well, I could, this episode, as I'm looking at it now and thinking about, I mean, I'm three episodes in, 15 hours in to a World War II podcast, and we're in 1919 still. So now it's going to accelerate. There's so much going on immediately after the First World War that it's just, there's so many events packed in.

And it's going to, you know, it's going to speed up a little bit as you get to the 20s. and whatnot. But, you know, if I were to try to do just some broad perspective of the whole war, I mean, it would be 100 episodes. And so I've done it, you know, I'm doing it from the Germans perspective because I think that, you know, for most people, including even Germans I found, maybe even like more for them than people outside Germany, that perspective is just, it's neglected and it's almost, it's almost taboo to give that perspective, you know? And, um, And it's just important, I think, to understand that everybody involved with this was doing what they thought made sense to them based on the information they had at the time and what they thought was going on in the world. Just like, you know, just like everything that's going on today.

And the people who watch this show don't really need a lecture about it. But, you know, we're still in this mode where there's something going on with Iran. and it's just like those insane evil, just fundamentally evil, destructive for the stake of destruction, just absolutely nihilistic, religious fanatic, nut jobs. And that's it.

Like, and we're trying to stop them. And it's like, that's, you know, people watching this show don't buy that. And probably people under 50 in general don't buy that. But it's enough people to keep the president from getting impeached when he's talking about, a country that he launched a surprise attack on, you know what I mean? Well, there's Alan Dershowitz's debate with Dave Smith.

That's what he opened with was, look, it's 1935, and we have a chance to stop Hitler right now. And how can we pass it up? That's the only way to look at the situation. How is my sound? Are my levels too high? I might have changed a little bit when I was doing the podcast. You sound okay to me. Are they saying that you're high?

One person said something. I don't know. If it's weird, you guys let me know. and I'll... Well, I actually do have to be down here. I don't know. You sound funny. Yeah.

Maybe I need to turn me up. I think we're good. That's great, man. And especially... Wow, now I really want to catch up and listen to episodes two and three, now that I know that it's still so heavy on the era right around the end of the First World War there.

Yeah, it's so important, you know. Like, there's this German-Jewish philosopher, or, like, he's a historian, but he's not a traditional historian. I guess you'd say like he's a philosopher of history, something like that. His name's George Mossy, and he came up with this theory of brutalization,

which people who study the Third Reich and stuff would be familiar with the idea that, his basic idea was that the atrocities that took place in the Second World War, the way, you know, the conflict in the East, especially just veered off into violence against civilians, on such a mass scale that, you know, there was a process of brutalization

that Germans went through in the trenches that was sort of a prerequisite for all that to happen. And anybody who hears me say that, the first thing probably pops into your head is, well, I mean, everybody was in the trenches. And, you know, they didn't, you know, the mass targeting of civilians, at least at close range, was not something that was sort of,

an equally distributed problem. And then also that, you know, during the First World War, you didn't see that kind of thing happened, you know? You didn't see, I mean, Germans occupied France and Belgium the whole time, you know, basically from 1914 on. So they had French towns and villages like at their rear, you know, people, French people living like under their occupation. And they weren't going in exterminating villages or deporting people, you know, anything like

that during the war while it was. going on. And so, you know, there's, there have been a few historians since then that have sort of modified his theory to say that, yeah, there was definitely a process of brutalization, if you want to call it that. But the important period was really this few years right after the First World War, where, you know, the soldiers who were in the trenches, it was the most terrific experience, enough to drive a normal man insane. I mean, like, really. And a lot of people really were driven insane. Just had their nerves shot, their minds broken. It was an awful thing, but the soldiers who didn't come to that, come to that point and got out of the war, you know, they went home and they could put that experience sort of in a box, you know?

You remember what it was like at the front? Like we were all there together. My whole generation, all of us were there together. And we can talk about it. And it was this sort of contained experience that we all had, you know? and the horror that they experienced in the trenches was a predictable horror, almost like a routine horror. You know, it was just this, oh, there's more dead people everywhere,

but you're going to wake up every day and it's going to be kind of, you're going to know what to expect, basically, for four years. And it was this period after the war where it's like, you might just wake up one day and your government's been overthrown for the third time in three months. and there's men and women in civilian clothes shooting it out in front of the deli on the street like outside your front door.

And that could just happen at any moment. And bullets are going through, you know, people's houses and hitting their kids because they're in the crossfire and stuff. And this can just, that sort of chaotic element where people are just like, you know what, like we need to, you know, we need to be able to just impose order violently

if necessary, just at all costs. You know, especially since, you know, it was just an extreme violence in Germany specifically of the Frye Corps, the, you know, the nationalist militias that the government had to call on to put these to put these rebellions down.

I mean, they were absolutely ruthless. I mean, you know, they, they were not necessarily like, you know, rounding up whole neighborhoods in towns and executing them or anything like that. But if, you know, if you were running around with a red armband or if somebody in town

one after they took the town somebody in the town who was on their side told them that you were running around with the red arm band there's a good chance you're getting put up against the wall like on the spot

and people kind of knew that you know these totally the fact that these were these were militias you know these were not like government forces this was not like the army

being ordered around these are non-government militias that are being called on by the government because the government doesn't have an army and they're coming in, and that's the only way that they stopped, you know, Germany from breaking up into a bunch of Soviet republics. And it just sort of left people with this idea

that absolute chaos can overwhelm you at any moment that you least expect it, and that the way to stave that off is through extreme violence. And that was kind of the lesson that people took, you know? And it's just, you know, it's a really, going through these last several episodes as slowly as I have, because I never plan on doing that at first.

Like my Israel-Palestine series, I planned on being maybe two episodes, you know? So, like, this always happens. But I'm kind of glad because it's really given me a lot of time to just sit with, you know, the idea of what the experience would be like to have just government at every level, just evaporate virtually overnight.

all of a sudden you wake up one morning and there's no police to call there's no bureaucrats to go complain to about something. There's just no nothing. It's gone. And you have to sort of fit

and in your town you know, the local organized crime gang is now calling itself the government and they throw on red armbands and say we're down with the revolution or whatever and so we're the government now and there's no one to call

and like say hey we got a problem here officer, you know, there's he's gotten. It's just, you just got to deal with that. And that's crazy. You know, it really is like a hard thing, I think, for us in our, in our, like, very mature, you know, bureaucratic states today under governments that are just, you know, even when you go back to, like, World War I and two, and we talk about, like, totalitarian governments,

you know, in Europe, they didn't have, they didn't have remotely the reach into our communities, into our like individual and family lives and tracking our activities or communications, all that kind. Our governments today are far, far, far, far more, like, you know, deeply embedded and sort of like observing and in various ways through propaganda and whatnot

and sometimes hard power like controlling our lives, even more than like totalitarian governments were back then because they just didn't have the technology that didn't have the ability to do it. Not that they wouldn't have, but they didn't have it. And so I think for us today, where the government is just this,

it's this ever-present, you know, omnipresent, almost omnipowerful thing that is everywhere you look, especially if you live in a city or something, you know, that, that it's really hard for people to imagine what it would be like if all of that just went away overnight.

And, you know, that's what happened. Basically from... Yeah, well, I mean, that's what happened from, like the eastern border of France with Germany, all the way to the Pacific Ocean in eastern Russia. All the governments that ran that entire zone just evaporated. It's just, it's a crazy thing. Hang on one sec now, Darrell, we got to make some money so we can keep doing this show. Expatmoney.com slash provoked. That's the address where you go if you want to attend the expat online money summit. They do this every year. It's Mikhail Thorpe. He's a real expert on traveling the world

and buying and investing in property all around the world. And if you want to diversify, they're focusing on Latin America this time, go and sign up. And yeah, there are various subsales and what have you. But the conference itself is free. Go learn all about it at expatmoney.com slash provoked. Now, I want to ask you here.

Real quick, real quick. A bunch of people in the comments are saying, and I think you guys are wrong. They're saying that Scott's like going to combust right. Now he's biting his tongue as I'm saying. what a terrible experience this would be. I don't think that's true. I think you can be a full-on anarchist

and still understand that if you go from having a mature state like the German Reich was or like the rush under the czar or something, and that just evaporates overnight, there are going to be a lot of problems and like a lot of people are going to suffer from that. Like, you know, maybe it's preferable to having the government like they're fine if you're like an anarchist or something.

But I think even Scott, right? You would agree. That would be a traumatic experience for people. Yeah, I was joking around. Yeah, don't threaten me with a good time. But the thing, yeah, it very much depends on the manner in which your state withers away. Yeah. You have a society that's so libertarian with such great respect for property rights and private institutions, providing security and court services for people that don't really need a state anymore,

than that's the way, you know, we want to get there. I don't want a revolution in America. I want as much decentralization and repeal as possible and, you know, reinstate the Tenth Amendment on the way toward whittling the state governments way down as well because it's freedom that works, not government control, as we can see all around us. So, but yeah, no, what we're talking about here is,

and this is what I was going to ask you about, and maybe it's unrelated, but I doubt it, the role of the British blockade that they maintained against Germany after the war. And, you know, my good friend Andrew Coburn, whose great-great-uncle, I guess it was, burned the White House in 1814. But, you know, Andrew and Patrick's, I mean, pardon me, Alexander and Patrick's brother, Andrew Coburn. He wrote an essay one time for Harper's Magazine about how, I forgot who was. There was some memorable name in it.

But anyway, they had established the bureaucracy for enforcing the blockade inside the British military. And then the war ended. And they're like, well, hell, we just got this whole thing set up. We don't want to close up shop and get jobs. So we're just going to keep it going. and that it was a huge part of the bureaucrat, it was just like basic bureaucratic inertia, self-licking ice cream cone stuff,

aside from the policy of the prime minister at the time, that just we want to keep doing this and how they just starved. And I don't know, you described to me, and then let me know what I'm curious about is how much that had to do with the rise of communism in Germany and therefore the right in reaction to it. Yeah, I mean, that was a factor. that definitely existed.

I would say that the bureaucratic resistance to it in Britain dried up pretty quickly once you got into early 1919. So the war ends November 1918. And unfortunately for everybody involved, David Lloyd George, the prime minister of Britain at the time, was running for re-election. And it was like just one of those classic things. We're like, I'm running for re-election.

I can't go out in there and say anything other than we need to punish the Huns is like for their evil crimes and stuff. And so once, and we know like from his conversations and diaries and stuff from that period that he knew it was not the right, you know, way to go sort of long term, but he had to get through the election.

Once he did that, the British started to come around because we were actually putting a lot of pressure on. Like, you know, we sent Herbert Hoover over there. He has a great, he has several great books actually describing his experiences, like going around first to the British.

He's going all over the continent of Europe talking to leaders, talking to people in like neutral states. There's like neutral states that are starving because they don't have food because of the blockade, right? And he's going around talking to all these people, realizing what's going on.

They're on the brink of millions of people starve of the death. Like they're right on the brink of that. So he's going and trying to get the British to open up. At first he has resistance there. Very soon we're able to sort of prevail upon them that like this, this is this is out of hand the war's over um but the french dude were i mean i mean i'm i'm i'm i'm slow to judge them just because you know like their president at the time clemenceau was a

he was a psychotic person in my opinion but even like outside of him like the french the french leadership and the french people in general like they really wanted to stick it to germany and i'm you know i'm slow to judge them just because even even though personally, I think France had a greater role in starting the war than Germany did. You know, they went through four years and lost like a good percentage of their fighting age men, like on their soil occupied. And you go through something that intense for that long. I mean, you're just going to, it's kind of ridiculous to think you're going to come out of that

and sort of snap your fingers and think, all right, let's shake hands and go back being friends. Like, I get that. But it took us until, really until, like, the, end of April. So you're talking six months after the war's over before we finally convinced France that like, you know, this country's about to go Bolshevik and like join the Russian Revolution

if we don't start giving these people some food. And that sort of pushed them over the edge because they realized at that point that, I mean, if Germany had gone red, like if Germany had legit gone Bolshevik as if it was very close to doing various times, there's no way that we could have prevented all of Europe. from turning red.

I mean, the whole continent would have been flying the hammer and sickle. That's for real. Like, it would have been Britain and it would have been us and the whole continent would have been,

because there were a lot of communists in France. There would have been plenty of, it's not as if, like, the whole nation of France would have mobilized to stop it or something like that. They had a strong,

hard left communist movement in France itself. And so, you know, we finally prevailed on them, but that was six months after the war was over. Like, something like a hundred thousand Germans

died from malnutrition-related cases causes after the war was over. And, you know, like the literal wording of the Armistice that the Germans agreed to when they agreed to step away and end the war was that shipments of food would be resumed as soon as possible, right? And so they're like, all right, fine, they go back and they're like, psych. And then they keep it locked down for eight more months just to make sure that by the time they come up with whatever terms they want for the Versailles Treaty, they can give it to you and be like, yeah, well, sign it or you could watch more of your kids starve, I guess, and we can do this indefinitely. And, you know, it left a bitter taste, obviously, you know, because it's one thing to have like your people killed. It's one thing to lose a war. It's just all of those sort of, you know, direct consequences of being in a conflict that doesn't go your way. But man, feeling like your goodwill was betrayed, you know,

feeling like you were lured into sort of a trap, you know, to trusting somebody and then having that sort of pulled out from under you, it left a really, really bitter taste. Yeah. All right. Well, look, so we don't want to spoil the whole thing for them, man. How about everybody head over to subscribe.martermade.com. Yeah, he's going to put it out on YouTube for you eventually,

but what you should do is go to subscribe. dot martyrmaid.com and subscribe and listen to Enemy, the Germans War. World War II from the Germans' point of view. Oh my God. Part 3, the fighting man there. And as long as you're over on Substack, as I mentioned there,

I finally published Chapter 5, the Donald Trump chapter of Provoked. And it's got four and a half hour for something on Russia Gate. I got the Scripples. Zelensky, Ukrainegate, the laptop suppression is the October Surprise, war games, Nord Stream 2,

broken treaties, Ukraine culture war, Afghan Bounty's hoax, things like that. So, there you go. Once you're done listening to Mr. Cooper, you can listen to me over there also on substack. That's just Scott Horton Show.com is my substack there. You know, actually, what's very interesting about the whole period I'm covering right now.

Yeah, tell me. Is that it will be very, very familiar to you from writing that book. Because, dude, like, the parallels between the way the Soviet Union ended, you know, which was really sort of a voluntary thing on their side, obviously things were going badly for them. And, you know, it was, you know, they did it under duress, obviously. But, you know, it was something where they decided. to end the Cold War.

And they did it with us making promises that we were not going to continue to be aggressive toward them if they did so. And then we did that anyway. And, you know, the Russia in the 1990s, you know, was just, it was having resources pulled out of it. You know, there were reparations in Germany, but there were also a lot of things going on

like the, you know, like the kind of thing Bill Browder was doing in Russia. A lot of that kind of stuff was happening in Germany, too. So, you know, if you were somebody when the German currency hyperinflates, and you have a cousin who lives in England who can send you a handful of British pounds and you can buy up a city block, I mean, that kind of thing was going on, just like similar sort of things were going on in Russia. People are dying like crazy. You've literally got in both of those situations, it was just, this is the sort of anecdote that I always come back to in my mind because I've found this. anecdote in Russia in the 90s and in Germany in the 20s where you literally had guys who had been generals in the Soviet Union or under the Kaiser who were out on the street begging for change.

And it's like, as soon as you see that, you're like, oh yeah, this is not going to last. There's no way this situation can possibly last. I mean, in writing this book, I found multiple occasions where, especially during Bush Sr. and Bill Clinton, where they said to each other, you know, we got to remember the lessons of Versailles. We know that what we screwed up in World War I was letting the British and French inflict such, you know, punitive reparations and territorial strippings and the rest on the Germans that led to the rise of the Nazi party

in World War II and all of that. Everybody knows that. So we got to not make that mistake. And that I was raised on the myth that, see, we learned from that in World War II. And America rebuilt and befriended Germany in Japan and didn't make that same idiot mistake that the British and French had made at the end of World War I. But you see, the problem with Moscow at the end of the Cold War

was we didn't occupy and really control it. So if we don't have our own MacArthur call on the shots there, then drunken Yeltsin is kind of a pushover, but that's not solid, right? You can't really trust that. And then after him came a guy who was willing to assert Russian independence. So they really want to help build up a country that's just going to be, you know, at least.

a competitor of some kind in global politics and power and wealth and the rest. I mean, the crazy thing about it, right? In both of those scenarios, in both of those scenarios, too, the crazy thing about it is that like we were literally dropping leaflets

over German lines in the First World War that could have been straight out of our 1980s like Radio America or Voice of America propaganda into the Eastern Blocs saying, We're not at war with the people. Like we don't, it's your regimes that are the problem for us. We're not at war with the people.

And the people are like, all right, cool, the regime is out of here. The Kaiser fled the country. You know, the communists aren't in power anymore. Now we vote on things and we elect people. It's us you're dealing. You're not dealing with the regime. Now you're dealing with us. And we were like, oh, yeah, forget about that.

You know, we were just kidding. And we held it against them. I mean, literally like, especially in the case of the First World War, because there was a hot war that was on. I mean, it's not as if the people, short of just, you know, a rising up in violent revolution or something, it's not as if the German people voted to go to war.

You know what I mean? They lived under an autocracy. And then they threw that autocracy out. And then it just didn't matter. The war was against the German people, it turned out. And, you know, in both of those scenarios where, actually, you know, because I know we got other things to talk,

about. There is one thing I would be interested in hearing you talk about. Just after doing that book and reading so much and thinking so much about the topic in Russia, what do you think, if anything, would have been different or could have been different if Bush had been reelected in 92? Well, I think it's very likely they would have solved the Bosnia problem that they had created, but they had a deal on the table that the Clinton government immediately ruined. So that would have been. been a major difference. And then, you know, really as far as NATO expansion, I mean, the thing is he would have been gone by 97, right? No matter what, his tournament would have been up by 97. And the first countries weren't really inducted until 99. So whoever became the president in 97, assuming they picked up, you know, from wherever he left off, probably would have not been much different. You know, his plan at the time, well, start with Clinton. Clinton had this deal called the Partnership for Peace,

where in October of 1993, Warren Christopher and Strobe Talbot went and met with Boris Yeltsin and promised this is what we're going to do. You and Ukraine and everybody else are all going to be members of the Partnership for Peace together. And it's not going to be an alliance. It's with membership. It's going to be a partnership because there's no enemy,

so who needs an alliance? But we'll just all have this one big security arrangement for all of Europe. And he says, it's brilliant. I love you. Tell Bill, it's the greatest thing ever, whatever. But they screwed him. They just needed him to acquiesce to further moves that they were making under the misunderstanding that they were going ahead like this.

And then they later revealed that, oh, no, actually, we are going forward with membership in NATO anyway, which necessarily means you can't join. Well, the Bush senior government was pursuing that same track, only before the Partnership for Peace, the same scam was under, oh, and you've written about the Partnership for Peace scam and all that. know about this. But then they did the same scam. That was essentially just a reincarnation of the same thing that Bush Sr. and them were doing with the CSCE, which is now known as the OSCE, the organization.

It was in the conference on security, cooperation in Europe. And that was the same idea there, was what we're going to do with NATO is, even if we expand it, don't even worry about new members, first of all, we're not going to do that. And even if we did it, it wouldn't matter anyway, because NATO isn't even going to matter. NATO is going to be a political organization. think something like the EU plus the United States somehow. But for security, we're going to use the CSCE and we're going to build that up. And then again, the idea is Russia and Ukraine and everybody else are already members of it anyway. So it's, you know, William Perry, Bill Clinton's Secretary Defense. His second choice was, okay, if we're going to expand NATO, we should bring Russia in first.

in that way we can also bring in the nations between Germany and Russia, but everyone understands that this is not about orienting the alliance against the new Republican Russia. That was the Soviet Union. Those days are over, whatever. So in other words, though, I guess I'm saying that the hawks in the Clinton time, we're really picking up where the hawks in the Bush senior government were leaving off there. They were determined to make sure that America stayed dominant. in Germany at the end

under the reuniting of Germany and that then they would expand West. And Joshua Schiferson is the great academic who demonstrated as he puts it that they were being oh man I want to get the quote right he says it very politely

that they were lying their stanking asses off to the Russians making them believe that they were going to do this CSCE thing when they were going to expand NATO all along and they were just shining them on. So that's the unfortunate. Yeah, I mean, when you really think about it,

including Russia and NATO would, you know, like it's something that like you could think might make sense if you don't really understand that NATO is not just a military alliance. It's America's instrument of control over the European continent. Right. And if you bring a country with the size and independence of Russia into that thing, then all of a sudden this is like a, a two-headed monster, and we were not interested in that.

That's exactly right. And they said, I mean, I have all the quotes in the book, Provoked. They're all right there where Madeline Albright and all them say Sabina Brzezinski and all of them say, there's no way we're bringing them in. We would have to share too much power and decision-making authority with them. And we're just not going to get that. We won, they lost. Why would we let them have half to say and what happened?

Right? That's the way that they looked at that kind of zero something. All right. So now is the time on the show we call the Matt Sersley, tax advice, terrorists speak at the UN General Assembly part of the show. So first of all, I tell you about good old Matt Sersely. What it is, is if you make a lot of money, say that you own a small business or maybe you're a high-salary professional, he can help you structure your taxes so that you pay only

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And then another terrorist head of state gave a speech, too. This one from the Lakud there, Benjamin Netanyahu. might remember whom from before. I read Netanyahu's speech, and there was only one notable thing in it, and it was where he was kind of sort of threatening the president of Turkey. I wouldn't make too much of it, I don't guess. I don't know. They're going to fight over dominance and serious.

In fact, I'm ahead of my segue here. Let me get back to that in one moment. Let's start with Al Jolon. They call them Alshara now. And I'll just play this short clip for you. Let me know if it starts feeding back or any idiot thing, and I'll stop. But this is just a short part here. Attempts that violate our sovereignty,

violate international law, will be stopped. Golan will remain Syrian territories. Any other attempts will be sworted, according to Security Council resolution. All right, well, whatever. So he says the Golan Heights belonged to Syria and he wants them back. And of course, the Israelis have expanded.

I mean, they took control of them in the 1967 war. And they've officially annexed them in, I believe, in 1981, Donald Trump recognized. So he has the authority. Whatever, he recognized their seizure of him for what it's worth in his first term. And hilariously, I think we talked about this on the show, right? where Trump says right to Jolani's face.

Yeah, good old Syria. You know what I did? I gave them the Golan Heights. Because like, you name this guy's name is Golani, because he's from the Golan. And Trump says, like, he doesn't know, right? He's like, yeah, you know what? My new friend, Abu, whatever, Al-Shara,

you know what? The biggest, badass thing I did was, is I gave the Golan Heights to Syria. How do you like that? Pretty big move, don't you think? And this guy sitting there gritting his teeth. Like, yeah, of course, we thought that was great, Your Highness, or whatever. I mean, it's kind of amazing to me that he's stayed alive this long, honestly.

Oh, yeah. Well, here, now that I'm blabbing, so here's not him, this guy, where he go? This idiot. So Netanyahu, he gets up there and he says, nah, the go along belongs to me. You're not getting it. It's in the Bible. You can read. Look it up in the Bible.

It says in the Bible belongs to me and you can't have it. He says that. And then he's threatening the Turks. And now I wanted to show you this thing. You know this guy, man. Kvork. Oh, I'm going to always pronounce. Almacian, yeah.

I'm not looking at it. Almassian. Kavork, Almasian. And I've interviewed him, I think, one time, and he's interviewed me. So this article is a bit speculative. It's on his substack, how Israel plans to occupy Damascus. And it's about essentially the Israelis now drumming up the threat of, the bin Ladenites in

Syria. And you know it was funny, Darrell, I noticed, I guess yesterday on the Twitter there, somebody had tweeted something about what a terrorist Jolani was. And then I noticed all the comments were like pro-Zionists, pro-Israelis agreeing and saying, you know, demonizing

them and saying what a terrorist he is. And I'm like, oh, I see how you are. After using all this Israeli influence in America. I mean, it was just a Zionist project to support the bin Ladenites in Syria that whole damn time, you know, expediting the chaotic collapse to Syria, as David Wernzer would have it, that led to the rise of the caliphate, that led to the sacking of Damascus here finally in 2024. And then now these rays go, oh, my God, look, Darrell, terrorists. You know, you should

help us fight Turkey. First, control of Syria next. What do you think? I mean, it's infuriating because to anybody who, you know, was remotely informed about this and paying attention in the mid-2010s, it was kind of obvious everything that was going on. And yet here we are anyway, you know. But so it's infuriating. But it's hard to, it's hard to say that I'm surprised by much anymore. I mean, watching Donald Trump's speech, it was like, I mean, I get the fact that like the American right ever since, at least since George Bush 2. has been on this like anti-UN, anti-all sort of international institutions kick, and that's fine. So they don't care about delegitimizing them or just humiliating the people in them or whatever. But man, like, people didn't used to talk like this, you know, from like great power.

I mean, and it's crazy too because you watch people like Lavrov or Putin. You watch, you know, yeah, they've got their medvedev sort of pit bull who goes out there and stuff. You know, you don't hear Putin or Lavrov. You don't hear she. None of these other, like, major power countries talk like this. Even the Iranians don't talk like this. I know it sounds democratic party coded or whatever. I don't mean it like that because I'm really a bircher at heart on this stuff.

I'm perfectly fine with getting out of the UN altogether. But we sign and ratify the UN charter where we promise not to even make threats of aggressive war. It's against the law to do that. Like, you know, in the same sense, kind of a direct analogy to the limit on free speech in the United States among civilian citizens is a direct incitement to violence. Right? That's what you can't do. Pay a hitman or say, come on, guys, let's get them. That is punishable speech, you know. Well, getting up there at the UN and threatening, essentially, to use hydrogen bombs in an aggressive war.

against a non-nuclear weapons state, well, that's against the law, Darrell. Yeah. I mean, and that's, you know, of course he doesn't get up there and say I'm going to nuke them. But, I mean, when he gets up there and says, I'm going to annihilate their country and it'll be very quick and very easy.

I mean, we don't, we only got so many offensive weapons. I mean, it's just, that's obviously what he's referring to. And just to have a president get up there and say something like that about a country that didn't attack us first you know I mean like somebody I think in one of the in one of the questions

the super chat questions asked something about or actually I'll just go ahead and pull it up because they said um oh the response to this argument I'll put that in you know in quotes that Iran has been at war with the U.S. for 47 years

it's like when you're dealing with geopolitics you have to have like just some semblance of prudence in moderation when you think about these things and you have to look at it and be like yeah okay so there's there's hostility there's you know a bad relationship that occasionally

erupts into you know minor conflict and then there's this thing called like war there's a spectrum here and our goal is to avoid getting it to that place If we can accomplish most of our goals, whether they be security goals or whatever else it is without taking it all the way to that place, then that is what we should be going for. Instead, it's like, I mean, it just instead this, you know, all it really is is just this sort of catch-all excuse for lighting off a hot war whenever we feel like it. And look, everyone knows, everybody knows, including you and your dad and your uncle Jim, and everybody, that USA is number one.

America is the world empire, the global superpower. It used to be, ever since World War II, it was us and the Soviet Union ruled the world. Them half and us half. And then they fell apart, and now it's just us. And everybody knows that. So don't tell me Iran's been at war with us the whole time. The question has been a question of American dominance in. in Persia in the Middle East, broadly speaking.

And is there sock puppet dictator compliant, or do we have to kill him and replace him with another one? Give me a break about America's poor victim status at the hands of the Iranians. How could anyone believe that? Just look at a picture of, spin the globe. You have a globe in your house. Look at it.

Look at the middle part of North America, and then look at Iran. You know, I was thinking about something the other day that as I was working on this this most recent episode and I didn't sit with it long enough for the idea to sort of

become fleshed out and coherent and so if I muddle through this a little bit that's why I was reading something about you know when the in the 1920s how some of the debates that were going on

in Germany and other European in countries about liberalism, about democracy, and going back and reading some of the debates that were taking place and realizing that they were taking place at like a very high level philosophically, you know, and just intellectually. Like they were talking about something like liberalism and really sort of thinking about it in terms of its emergence as a historical phenomenon, like whether, you know,

and its effect is that happen, all these kind of things. And I realized that what happened, is that over time, as these arguments persist for a while, or if one side wins for a while, that these concepts are sort of reduced down to means. They're just sort of a, they're just sort of a little thing, you know, a concept that exists now in your head and has all these emotions and various attachments kind of associated with it, but nobody ever really gives any thought. And so when somebody says democracy, that's, just like it's not this it's not a it's not a philosophical system that people are prepared to sort of

have a long discussion about its pros and cons or anything like that it's just and so when you talk about something you know the same thing in foreign policy like when you talk about our a relationship with iran you say we've been at war for 47 years like that sentence right there is not an argument at all like that's just a mean it's this thing that exists you know to throw out in its little you know self-contained form like a Pokemon ball that now has the following effects when I put it out into the world. But, you know, it's not actually something that's meant to be, you know, a point to be argued over. You know what I mean? And like, as that has happened, like, over time, so much of our political discourse has been reduced to that, where it's just a war of, like,

battling slogans, you know? I really, I really resisted using memes for a long time. I've kind of given into it. I still don't use emojis ever. I hate emojis, but I resisted memes because it is like a reduction from books to articles to blogs to tweets to now just pictograms. Now we're just speaking to each other in, you get that reference from that movie where the guide said the thing. And it's just, and a lot of them are funny. A picture speaks a thousand words or whatever. I get it. Like there's can be import in there, but also, yeah, it's a great way. Dude, at some point, like, and pick sides. We're the side that agrees with this meme.

You're the side that agrees with the other meme. Yeah. Like, at some point in, like, your early 20s or so, I feel like every male friend group had, like, I had one of these, like, actually, really like a couple of them who there, I would say that 60% of all of the words they spoke were quotes from the Big Lobosky, Super Troopers, and like one other movie.

And they would carry on whole conversations with each other just like with that. That was the extent of their vocabulary. Yeah. And you need one of those. Every friend group needs one of those guys. They're all awesome. They're great to have around.

But when you sort of, you know, you don't want to like walk into a room and find an entire room of people where that's the case. And unfortunately, that's where we are now with our political discourse. Well, and that's where I am too. I mean, I'm sitting here complaining, but I'm the guy from Liberty Stickers. One of these, I don't know if I still have this one. One of the original Liberty Stickers, this one is one of the originals. Our freedom is more important than your good idea. Would you load?

I'm talking about you, please. One of the original says, admit it, our public debate has been reduced to reading each other's bumper stickers. And then, so, I've been selling a bunch of these. People love my Liberty stickers. They're so good, like, for example, this one,

when you pay eight bucks to put that on the back of your truck? Hell yeah. Anyway, whatever, man. Hey, let's talk about this. I know that it's something to CNN said, so you can hold that against me if you want, whatever, I don't think they disputed it. The story

is that the AI bot said that a Chinese ship full of nuclear weapons parts was on its way to Iran. And then, idiot told the boss and they all started doing things

based on this, and apparently they were like moving to attack this boat until someone finally decided to actually go back and check what was the intel that this is based on. And it was a hallucination, Daryl. It was completely made up. And meanwhile, any idiot ought to be able to tell you, come on, man.

Anyone especially whose job this is in the Navy, in the satellite office, in the CIA, in the National Security Council, anywhere, anyone whose job this is ought to be able to tell you. Bullshit. The Chinese are not passing atom bombs to Iran. Why in the world would they do that? And make a absolute permanent enemy out of the United States, maybe cause a war with the United States.

We're in the middle of a war with Iran right now. And Xi Jinping is picking right now to suicide bomb the non-proliferation regime and just turn the whole world upside down. Oh, he's doing that, huh? No, he's not. No, he's not, stupid idiot. Go back and check, was the actual original Intel. And then the original intel was the AI bot. The chat bot made it up,

Darrell Cooper, the chat bot. And I'm telling you, man, this is the way the world ends. It's not general super intelligence that takes over everything. It's human men using chat GPT to do their thinking for them. Get us all killed. Yeah, it's wild that it got to that point in the process without somebody demanding to see the original intelligence. I mean, because it's not as if you're, I mean, you're talking about an act of war against China. And, you know, doing it in the context of them potentially sending nuclear weapon, like even if it was, even if it was happening,

the idea that you're going to go attack that Chinese ship or board and seize that Chinese ship, I mean, they were in the air, dude. They were on the way. That's, that's, I mean, it's crazy that it got to that point. It really is. Oh my God. Yeah, I read a book. I love the premise of it.

The novel, it turned out to not be any good at all, but I just read as a dime stort thing called This is the Way the World Ends. That was where I got that from. And it starts out with a flock of vultures flying over Canada. And some idiot freaks out because he thinks it's an incoming volley, ICBMs, and so everybody launches. He's migrating birds.

Everybody dies. Listen, there have been some major close, calls where, especially the Russian satellites. Everybody just imagines the Russian satellites are as good as the American ones. False. And in fact, Ted Postal has written about this very well. He's a real expert in this. And he's talked about how the Russians have mistaken the rising sun and the moon coming up over the horizon or over the, you know, the Earth's shadow as incoming volley of nukes. Their computer systems have read just the sunrise in the morning. Oh, yeah, dude. When you're out on the sea, or anywhere near the ocean, when the sun comes up in the morning,

your radar just gets annihilated. I mean, it just looks in that direction. It just looks like a total disaster. You have to turn everything way down and everything. So I can understand that. But yeah, it is really crazy. I mean, that Russia, more sanctions on Russia and more weapons to Ukraine, more promises of more weapons to Ukraine,

and just on autopilot, just Joe Biden's second term here. you know, rolling on. I don't know what to say about that. You know what? This is my last news story. I don't even want to talk about these anymore. I just want to mention this one though real quick. This is a little more like culture-worry, domestic issues.

This is a huge giant Russia gate that's going on right now, Darrell Cooper, that may be under your radar and under a lot of radars. It's not quite as prominent as the Russians did a coup d'etad and stole the president in power in 2016 level thing. but among certain audiences, this is huge right now, is they're taking suicides. It's like, and I'm sorry, I meant to do a bit more research and be better prepared for this,

but Matt Walsh has done a couple of interesting things about this. There's like, I think it's less than 10, but somewhere like between 5 and 10 suicides by hanging of black men in the South over the past, what year or so. and then one of them was a black woman. But hers wasn't a suicide. But two black men have been arrested for her murder

and charged with her murder. And in every other one of these, every indication is suicide. And one of the more prominent ones, they got the video where the guy is walking up to the tree with a dolly, like a hand cart, and a rope. And he's going to use the hand cart to climb up higher and reach the branch and tie the rope around the thing.

They don't show the suicide. that got the suicide on video. You got black coroners, coroners, and black county judges and city police chiefs and mayors in charge of these towns where these things are happening. There's not a single even iota

of an indication at all. None that white, racist, clansmen, or anything like them have had anything to do with any of these at all. None. There's not even a scintilla of a nought. And then as he pointed out, Matt Walsh pointed out on his show yesterday, the Associated Press did this kind of ridiculous thing.

Oh, and the Congresswomen, all the AOC and all them are picking it up. And the Associated Press did this thing about, I'm like, well, there's a whiff of historical truth that makes it seem realistic or whatever. When like, no, in fact, the last black man that was lynched in America, just for being black was in 1998 and it was James Byrd in Texas, the three white guys, one of whom was an old friend of his, but showing off with his buddies, they dragged him behind a truck to death and killed him in East Texas. I thought that that was earlier in the 90s, but maybe that was as late as 98. Still, that was the last lynching of a black man and that's absolutely terrible, but there's just

nothing for black people to fear. And the thing is here is they're being exploited here, is they're being told, you know, it's like the Israelis telling people that, yeah, your mom got raped to death over the course of nine hours on October the 7th because they need propaganda. They're willing to lie to their own people to drive them into a frenzy to get it. You know, it's the same thing here where this is, as Walsh says here, a deliberate destabilization campaign in the lead up to the elections here, they're trying to cause race riots. And they just, there is just nothing saying that any white racists have the slightest involvement in any of this, and yet you have AOC and all other different squad type Democrats in Congress are pushing this and saying, oh yes, we must dispatch

the FBI and Justice Department to investigate all of these things. And they got to know they're lying. There's just nothing to it. And, you know, at first I was angry, but now I kind of feel bad it. I did see where I had quote tweeted AOC and I said the absolute shamelessness of these people, what's the opposite of shame? That's what they got, dude, is that, you know? And then someone replied to my tweet, which I guess whatever, maybe it's just a bot or who knows, but like somebody replied to my tweet, oh yeah, sure, the old white guy doesn't care about what's happening to these people. And it's just like, no, man, that wasn't what I was saying who cares what happens to them. What I was saying was that, like, obviously, there's no foul play here or not by white race is going on.

You know, one of these is in Upper Marlborough, Maryland, which is like an extremely black part of town. Like, you tell me the clan rode into Upper Marlborough and lynched a guy. This is Trump country. You know, I saw a clip, he played a clip of one of these race hustlers, and she's going, yeah, I'm from Upper Mallbro. Uh-huh. And it's like, yeah, what about that? Can you tell me a little bit more about Upper Mallbro? Is it like headquarters of the Ku Klux Klan in your town?

Tell me about all of the cross-burnings in Upper Mallboro Lady. You know, give me a break with this. But I think he's right that it's an op by Democrats and probably whatever coordinated NGOs and whatever because they like went, hey, look, we got some hangings. Some people on Instagram are upset about it. You know, some TikTok women are trying to solve the crime. Let's see if we can turn this in. to a thing and they're like building it up into a thing. And as Walsh says, like, this is the most

irresponsible thing that you could possibly do to tell black people that that's right. You are in danger. You can't go anywhere without white people trying to kill you. They're doing another one where a black friend went with his friends to this island off the coast of Mississippi on, was it Fourth of July weekend or spring break or something. And then he didn't come home. And they're like, oh, these four boys must have murdered him. And like, they're playing the 911 call or it's not the 911 call. It's their boat starts sinking. And they call the boat tow.

And the kid's like drunk going, hey, can we get a toe, man? And you're supposed to somehow think that like, aha, can't you hear the guilty murder in his voice? Because they obviously just finished murdering a guy. When like, that's not what I hear. I just hear a guy needs a toe. He left his friend behind macking on some girl.

It was the last they saw him. Every cop who wanted to find, to build a case couldn't build one. And so didn't. But there's like, I don't know, if it's just black America or if there's such a thing, or black Twitter or, you know, whether this is all taken over blue sky and all the liberal like Lindsey Clancy apologist crew to or what, but like there's the makings of a giant sciop going on here. And it's

completely disgusting and dangerous. And I don't know what's going to be doing bad. I wonder, like, I mean, for sure, they're capable of like, like, holding weekly meetings to plan race riots like they did in 2020. That's definitely within the range of their, you know, moral horizon. But I do also wonder in situations like this, like how much of it is really that and how much of it is that it is a combination of like two things where, you know, a lot of our politicians, even people in office, but also people who sort of move in and out of various government, you know, agencies and sort of circle, that circle of people in D.C.

Have sort of, like somebody like AOC. AOC is an influencer who happens to be in Congress. Like, that's what she is. And that's a lot of people now who are in that sort of in that world. And, you know, the incentives that like drive people, you know, like influencers, grifter types like that, have sort of taken over a lot of our politics, where I was talking to Tom Woods about this this week, you know, where it's like even people who are, you know, they'll be on the floor of Congress, like debating something,

or quote unquote debating, whatever passes for that these days, or giving a speech about an issue. And, you know, you realize after a while that, like, there's no thought whatsoever about the long-term consequences or whether this is true or anything like that. All they're thinking about is they're thinking the exact,

same way that like somebody on Twitter is like I'm going to stick it to that Nazi on Twitter. And I, you know, if the other person makes this point that actually is a really good point that I'm going to make things that, you know, they point out the fact that like if race riots happen over this, it's going to be the people I'm supposedly

caring about. It's going to be their neighborhood that gets burned down. It's not going to be West Palm Beach, you know. You point that out to them. It doesn't matter. They can't, they can't admit anything because, you know, you can't admit that that neo-Nazi has a point? I mean, that would be crazy. And so it's like all kinds of like,

not even just long-term thinking, but thinking even beyond like just the very, very first order of consequences in the what will happen next week. It's just completely evaporated from our political discourse. Everything has been reduced to like the moment, just like it is in social media. You know? Hey, you want to knock out some questions here? Right now it's the Scott Wharton-flavored coffee question answering part of the show. Brought to you by Scott Orton-flavored coffee at Scott Horton.org slash coffee. It's for Moondos artisan coffees. And it's really, really good.

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What do they say? Anything you want to respond to? Let's see. Yeah, and I've got to get these kind of quickly. I've got to go handle some farm stuff. I know there's a deep thing there real quick, Daryl, that people must be wondering. What happened in my 9-11 episode was right.

Oh, yeah, yeah. And what happened was I got all ready for it. And then he said, ah, geez, I forgot about that. And then he's getting kicked out of his apartment, not for not paying the rent, but just because they sold the building out from under him. And so he's getting evicted, and he has to move. So he has postponed. But that's okay because maybe I'll be slightly better prepared than I already am.

But the plan is to do a super long-form walk-through and see if he can convince me everything. Scott actually bought the building so that he could create this problem. because he doesn't want to face the truth about 9-11. Yeah, and some guy with Silver and Steen in his name financed it for me. All right, so, Darrell, when people in your everyday life ask you what you do for a living, what do you tell them? I tell them that I am a writer and podcaster. What is my favorite BJJ Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu submission?

I was a wrestler, you know, my whole life. and so I'm a top game guy. I'd like to put pressure on top, probably like an arm triangle. Nothing fancy. Just put the pressure on top. And I also like getting people in fun flu chokes because I always get caught in guillotine

when I go for take-downs. JDA just hooked us up with the Dr. Pepper Fund. We did the one about Iran being at war for 47 years. Daryl, love the new episode. I was going to say on the 47 years one, it's unfortunate I gave a speech we did a little rage against the war machine thing at the Libertarian Party National Convention last time

but my speech got all screwed up in the recording like the battery died and whatever so the video my speech is no good but my speech started out with we've been at war with Iran for 73 years because that was going to America overthrew the government there but anyway if you really want to know like the background of that watch my interview

on the Tucker Carlson show from July 2025 and I start in 53 and take you all the way through America's relationship with Iran. Yeah, if you haven't seen his interview on Tucker's show, you have to go watch it. Like, Dave and I had been saying to Tucker, you got to have Scott Horton on for a long time. And then, you know, Tucker's got a million things going on. He finally gets him on there. And afterwards, he immediately texts me. He's like, why didn't you tell me about this guy before? I'm like, so go watch that. Daryl, love the new episode,

almost done with my second listen. That is dedication. getting my download numbers up. Question, what is the name of the primordial song at the end? The song's name is Lane with the Wolf. And funny story, a while back, I was blasting, you know, on my noise-canceling headphones as I was doing something around the house, that song. And I like to sing.

I'm a terrible singer, but I like to do it. And I didn't know my wife was standing right behind me doing something. And I'm singing this song in like a low, guttural growl. I say, And he preaches salvation in the loins of women. And she's like, what is going on here?

But anyway, that happened. That was fun. And then update all the war lies. If you can find the time. Ha! Yeah, if you can find the time,

Scott, you have plenty of time laying around. No, you know what? I think I said before, I'm updating, provoked, and fools air and enough already.

I'm putting there's already a lot, but I'm filling enough already with footnotes. And I've already got enough already. I mean, fools hair and provoked all perfected. I'm putting new subtitles on enough already and provoked a real history of America's war in Afghanistan and the real history of America's war on terrorism. And that's what I've been working on mostly. And then also in the background, I'm also working on a book on Iran, which I'm not sure if I was supposed to say that yet,

but working on a book about the Iran war in the background. all that. The 73 year, maybe we should call that. America's been at war with Iran for 73 years. 74 by the time I publish it. No, but anyway, I am doing that.

All the war lies. Yeah, that is going. People can sign for my email list and you get a free copy of that PDF and it's how they lied us into every single American war since 1812. Because you know how they do. And then that's it.

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