PTI - Bigger Deal: Eagles Loss or Chiefs Win?!

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

Pardon The Interruption Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon debates the bigger NFL story: a Cowboys win or a Chiefs victory. The Thanksgiving special also covers the Rams and Patriots' dominance, plus the AFC North shake-up. "Turkeys of the Year" awards highlight memorable sports blunders. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Whoops. I was going to eat the Turk. Okay, that is something worthy of Fred Flintstone. It's huge. Yeah, it's a beautiful turkey. Huge. A beautiful bird, as people like to say, beautiful. What kind of pie is that?

You know, that's pumpkin pie, is it? You know, I'm not a pumpkin pie. What is a peat pie? What is that? I don't know I just like apple pie I just like apple pie What are you like you like for commercial I'm sorry? What was the last time you've had any fruit in your system you don't eat fruit? Apples you didn't want to eat the good apples from the other day welcome to PTI Thanksgiving special boys and girls

On today's episode the Rams and Patriots win again the Ravens are back on top of the aFC North and our turkeys of the year But we begin today with last year's Super Bowl teams Philadelphia and Kansas City Yesterday, the Eagles lost on a last second field goal to the Dallas Cowboys 2421. And the Chiefs won on a field goal in overtime after tying their game against Indianapolis on a last second field goal in regulation. Wilbon, which is the bigger deal?

Kansas City, it's not even close. Because the Eagles and all their drama, I know. All we do is talk about the Eagles and who's angry, who's upset. You know, sorry, the Eagles still woke up this morning in first place in their division. That's right. And about that far behind the Rams at the top of the NFC.

That's not the case with Kansas City. Kansas City, they lose that game yesterday, and they're looking up out of a hole so deep they may not get out at all. True. They had to win that game. They're down 11. And you don't see Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City down 11 to home very often. And you think, oh, my God, the coach are in control of this game. And maybe they were in control, but they let it slip.

But no, no, Tony. this is about the chiefs coming through because they had to. I'm going to disagree a little bear with me with this. I love this story. I love it because we have to talk about the Cowboys now, and I know how much you hate doing that. I know that you wake up every morning and you call me and you rail about the fact that the Get Up show

and the first take show have spent all their capital on the Cowboys day after day after five after day, and now we have to do it too. Dak Prescott's record in division at home in Dallas, It's amazing. 22 and 2. And you know what that says? That's why DAC got his money

to recall an earlier theme on all of those shows. So now the Cowboys have DAC, and they also suddenly have a defense. They held Philadelphia to no points for the last 41 minutes of that game. With those trades? Yes, I am. And they scored the last 24 points themselves.

So I agree with you on this. The Eagles are not the bigger deal, because they're still in the playoffs. the Cowboys winning this game is the bigger deal. On the overall thing, yes, Kansas City is the bigger deal. Kansas City was down 20 to 9. Kansas City looked like they were out. Suddenly, you believe in Spags, that defense stiffened up.

They scored that late touchdown. Then they had to go for two, and that's the critical moment when they got the two. So they can be within a field goal. And they get the field goal later. Was there a point in there at all? Well, you wonder if Mahomes just, like, doesn't have a temperament. There were lots of points, but Patrick Mahomes in the last, I don't know, 15 minutes of that game, he's the best football player on the planet.

Now, I know how you hate talking about the Cowboys. I know this riles you so much. It does. What about the fact that the Cowboys are going to play Chiefs on Thursday? It doesn't be better. That's going to be the highest rated NFL games. game in years. And it's another thing, too. It's an elimination game.

I believe the team that loses that game is out. I believe they're out. They should flop it. They should flop and put that game prime time if they could on Thanksgiving night. Wipe the table clean and let's go to that game. You cannot. It doesn't matter how many times you stick a fork in the Cowboys, they're not done. They're not done. This is hard to take.

I mean, I have to, like, apologize to Greenie now for attacking him all the time. Oh, stop. You don't have to apologize. You were right. I hate to talk about the Cowboys. I know. You have to. Let's move. We're off the rest of the week. So you... I know. We're done. We don't worry about it. That's right. But in the meantime, we're going to move to the conference leaders. The Rams have the best record in the NFC after crushing the Buccaneers to go 9 and 2. And atop the AFC, the Patriots are now 10 and 2 after surviving a tight one.

with the Bengals. It's New England's ninth win in a row. Nobody had that starting the season. Tony, are the Rams are the Rams are the Patriots a better team in your mind? The Rams are the better team. The NFC is better than the AFC. The Rams are on top of the better division. That makes them better. They also beat Seattle. I don't believe anyone on the New England resume is as good as Seattle. And the Rams... They did be... They didn't win at Buffalo. But I'm with you on strength of schedule. That goes to tilts to the... The Rams could be 11 and no. The Rams lost to the Eagles on that bizarre play where the field goal was blocked and run back for a touchdown. And they lost in overtime in San Francisco.

I am not saying this to disparage in any way New England. As you know, I think Mike Vrable is the coach of the year at the moment. And the Rams, the Rams have been good for a while. You know, the Rams are not surprising anybody. The most surprising team in the league is the Patriots. They are, what are they, 10 and 2, they won nine games in a row. Their record, the last two years combined, is 8 and 20. So nobody, nobody saw this coming.

You know, now it is true that they had the benefit of a last place schedule. But still, it's one of the great turnarounds that we've ever seen. To answer this question, I look at this if they played each other who would win, the Rams would win. I'm not so sure about that. I'm going to give the answer to this question to the Rams because of strength of schedule. Plain and simple, by the way, the Patriots got a last play schedule. How did they get that schedule? And the bears have what we have coming up.

They also have, they have coming up Miami, the jets and the Giants, something like that? Three more. They're going to be the Patriots other than some calamity. 13, at least. They're going to be the one seed in the AFC. Plain and simple. Now, it looks like the Rams are, although the Eagles could still steady themselves. They seem to be the, I guess Seattle could be a threat.

Nobody else. I don't think the Bears can do that. That matters. I know. It does matter. But the Rams also have the MVP in your mind. Do they do that? Oh, 100% Matthew Stafford.

Yeah. Matthew Stafford, over his last nine games, has something like 27 touchdowns and no picks whatsoever. I mean, that's really impressive. In their last six games, here with five teams they beat, their playoff teams. Baltimore, Jacksonville, Seattle, San Francisco, Tampa Day. That's why the strength of schedule gives them the not easy over in England. Devonte Adams has 12 receiving touchdowns. That's the most in the league.

He's not the best receiver. on the team. Puka Nakua has 80 catches. That's the best in the league. And we all talk about last week, Houston's defense. The Rams defense allows the least, no, top one allows the least amount of point, 16.3. The Rams are loaded.

The Rams are loaded right now. They do. Let's go to the AFC North where the Sleeping Ravens have awakened. They won their fifth game in a row yesterday, beating the Jets 23 to 10. They are now in first place in that division because Pittsburgh lost to your Chicago Bears 31 to 28. Now the Steelers

would lose the tiebreaker to the Ravens in division, they would be out of the playoffs. And by the way, also in that division, Shedore Sanders had a pretty good game. Browns beat the Raiders 24 to 10, after which Raiders' offensive coordinator, Chip Kelly got the heave hoe. Wilbon, of all this stuff, what's your headline?

I'm sorry. You mentioned Cleveland, and you didn't mention and bow your head when you say this, Miles Garrett. No, I did not. Okay, maybe Matthew Stafford is the best player, the MVP in the league, a quarterback on a winning team.

The best player in the NFL right now is the guy who has 13 sacks in his last four games. Okay. Seven in his last two. Who's up there now with the likes of Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White, and that's Miles Garrett. But he's not going to win the MVP because he's on a losing team. I know. But I'm just saying the headline. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, that's your headline? This guy keeps Shador Sanders. If they're down as many points as they could be down, Shador Sanders don't even matter. That's right. And by the way, I'm rooting because we root for his father and have for a long time. This is, we root for Shador Sanders. I'm going to get to that. I'm going to get to that.

We do. You and I do. Come on now, Miles Garrett. Okay. So that's your answer. By the way, Joe Burrow coming back is going to play Thursday night. I am tempted to say as a headline, Rogers out, Steelers lose because I think he owns the bears. I believe he has said that a number of times when he was in Green Bay.

Yes. Right? You know, and I can't help but think that if he played in that game, there might have been some change. You only need one play. I can't give the headline to the Ravens because, come on, they beat the Jets. Right. I understand they won five in a row. Maybe they get a cumulative headline, but three of those five are the Jets, Miami and Cleveland.

And I can't give Shador Sanders the headline because he was better than last week. Last week he was terrible. He was okay. He was 11 for 20. He was fine. But it was the first week he was prepared. And I understand. But I'm annoyed.

I'm going to allude to what you said before. I got annoyed when he said everyone wants me to lose. No. I don't want him to lose. And you don't want him to lose. In fact, we root for him. Yes. So reluctantly, here is my headline of all of this.

Bears win again. How are they doing this? They have a negative plus minus differential. And they're eight, are they eight and three? How about this? I would say they're coach is my second choice for coach in the year right now, Ben Johnson. Tony, in every defensive metric, we're somewhere between 28 and 32. How are you doing this?

I believe my man, Caleb, I believe, I don't want to, I believe this is. is it, though. I think he has the lowest completion percentage of How can you be eight and three? It's timely. We have these, a block field goal in the last play. Two field goals have ended games. Every game is close. How about the

Cincinnati game where two guys crash into each other and our rookie tied in and can't tackle him? I don't know, but that commander's game, every time the bears and commanders play, something inexplicable happens the rest of the year. I got two or three words for you.

One word is Eagles on Friday, that's three words, and then at Green Bay. That's three more. Let's take a break. Coming up, it's our turkeys of the year, which are so good that these Phillies outfielders don't make the cut. Neither is yonest. Midnight Blue Friday, that's what is known as in my house. Not Black Friday. Midnight Blue.

Bears Eagles. Oh, okay. Bears Eagles. So you'll be watching. Oh, yeah. I think you'll be watching. Don wants to go. I'm like, no.

I'm not doing it. Let Don go. No. Throw Don. Pardon the Interruption is presented by Crown Royal. Please drink responsibly. Part of Happy Hour. Welcome back to Pardon the Interruption, presented by Crown Royal.

Part of Happy Hour. It's time to serve up on turkeys of the year. Wilbon, tell them the criteria. What criteria, Tom? No criteria. None. Let's dish them out. Let's do it.

Let's start with Kirby Smart. Timeout Tailteller. No, Kirby's not hot. We got bigger fish to fry. or turkeys to fry. No. Not sure. All right, Tori Lavullo, misguided manager. He's trying to throw them out. They threw him out.

It's not like Earl Weaver where he started throwing bases and kicking dirt. So you don't like it. You don't like it. All right. Brian Dayball, concussion tints. Concussion, 10. Tres. Tres. Tries. Try to get in. And he yells at the physician, and you know what he gets for his trouble, you're fired. It's like needing a bouncer to keep the coach out. That's crazy.

Eastern Washington QB, sloppy spiker. It's so sad. No, it's sad. You can't call him a turkey. And he's a kid. He's losing his in the old money. See J. Carr, snap, snap, fooer. He's calling signals and he doesn't see the ball.

Well, that's the center's fault. The center's the turkey, not the quarterback. All right, here's a guy you know very well. Brooks Barnheiser. My man, Barnheuser. Tooth torturer. Wilbon, he loses real teeth, then he loses fake teeth. I know, but he's a tough guy.

He's not a dental school in Evans. He's in the league now. I thought I was at that game. He had a dental school in Evanston. Not anymore. This is bad looking. Oh no, come on. Junior Caminero, over Celebrator, hits a go-ahead home run,

and the top of the night takes a minute to round the bases. They're going to throw at him in the next game, aren't they? He would be a high nominee, but this was so cool. We agree on that, right? Yeah, well, we didn't like it. But it's the top. They didn't like it. A. Day Mitchell, premature Celebrator, he drops the ball.

Okay. You know, come on. Colts lose the game. He's gone. They traded him to the jet. That's like going to prison. That's punishment enough. Amari Demarcato, premature celebrator, Jonathan Gannon.

I can't even read it. Combustible Corrector. See, I thought he was in. I thought that the ball was on. But Gannon, Gannon went too far. I don't blame him. He went too far. And I thought the ball was.

Jordan Battle. Scoop and score screw up her. It's another one. Another one. Hold on to the ball, people. It's really bad. Right through the end zone. No, it's a plague.

All right. The next one, Deniel Medvedev, match point. maniac. You like this guy, right? I like Medvedevide. You like this? He's sort of crazy. He hijacked the match. He does, he is, hijacked the whole match. He's the

resident crazy tennis player of this era. Yeah, and he's going to break half of it. Go back to the Stasi. Break your own head. Windham Clark, driver chucker and locker smasher. See, here's a serious. You can't do this at Oakmont. No, there's letters about him. Yeah, he can't do this at Oakmont. He's been banned, right?

Wait, smash the locker. You know, smash the tennis courts and they're not good. Adam Hadwin, another golfer, sprinkler smacker. That's cool. Look at that. That is great. So he paid for the repairs. And then he bought lunch for the maintenance crew.

We don't know if Carl Spackler was part of that maintenance crew. At least he sort of owned up to it. Brandon Ingram, your boy, refreshment rifler. It's going out of control. Look at this. Look at all this. You know what? It's just amazing to see Brandon Ingram in a uniform.

Is that what they teach him do? Because he's in one so rarely. Here are the Nats. Nats, ground crew member, Tarp Tripper. He's underneath. You know, what? The screw-ups with the Nats are usually the bullpen. This is the only way the Nats make this category.

I think that's true. That was sad. Mika Zabanjad, skate sticker. Did you ever see this? No. A stick stuck in the guy's skate? How do you do that? It can't happen very often.

He should have picked it up. And they have to give it back to him. Going through the penalty back. Here's your boy, Brad Marchion, Senator Strangler, chokehold on an Ottawa player. He can't have tries without Marche. Every year.

Now he won a Stanley Cup. Okay, but he's disqualified. Stanley Cup in Florida. Disgusting. Here's your girl. Kim Moki. Clipboard clubber. Yes.

Stylish Kim Moki goes crazy. Hall of Fame classmate. That's right. Oh, I love her. I think she's great. Love Kim Moki. I'm glad you love her now. Jose Jose Marino knows nabber.

He picks the guy's nose. What is that? Famousous soccer coach. With a part of right hook. As you can. We're going to give a pass. Seriously. The other guy overreacted.

Unsporting spitters. Jalen Carter Eagles spitting on DAC. Apparently. Random bet Florida spits on the USF player. Spitters. Jamar Chase. Bengals spits on Jayloramese. Three-way try. Gallaghery, Colorado steak.

Four. It's on a Boise State. How many? It's Chase apologized. It matters. It's bad, right? Yeah. You can't spit.

You should be allowed to smack the guy if he spits on you. They're tied. They're tied to the award. That's it. That's the list. That's our turkeys in here, including me and this dopey outfit. Let's take one last break still to come. The Giants make another.

change after falling to Jemir Gibbs and the Lions. And after another rough outing, should the Viking stick with young JJ? The Lions game and the Chiefs game were thrilling. They saved their seasons, maybe. Don't you think? They could have been out. By the way, do we have to name this after Joe Turkey Jones? Did anybody remember him? I don't even remember. Cleveland, Browns, linemen, defensive linemen. Don't remember. Joe Turkey Jones. Part of the interruption is presented by Crown Royal. Please drink responsibly. Part of Happy Happy time, people. Happy 87th birthday, Oscar Robertson. History lesson, kids. When he played, the Big O was the greatest all-around basketball player of all time. He was a three-time player

of the year and a three-time scoring champion in college at Cincinnati. He was on the gold medal Olympic basketball team in 1960. U.S. team, great team, rookie of the year in 1961 with the NBA Cincinnati Royals. Robertson was a 12-time All-Star, a six-time assist leader, and an NBA champion in 1971 alongside a young Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Rounding off the numbers, the 6-5 guard averaged a triple-double in four different seasons. It is also the 82nd birthday of another all-time point guard, Dave Bing of the Pistons, also NBA rookie of the year, who was later the mayor of Detroit. From here in Washington, D.C., but Oscar, one of the great players of all time, people may not remember.

Then look him up. Google Oscar. You don't know how great he was. He was Magic Johnson before Magic Johnson. Yes. Yes. One of the greatest players of all time. In keeping with our turkeys of the year motif, a not so happy anniversary to Leon Lett and Gus Farad.

Around this day, 32 years ago, Lett, the Dallas defensive tackle, inexplicably tried to dive on a blocked field goal attempt by the Dolphins. The Dolphins jumped on Lett's failed recovery and kicked a game-winning field goal with three seconds left. Lett's Gaff was particularly turkey since it happened on Thanksgiving Day. around the state 28 years ago, Farat, the Washington quarterback, celebrated a touchdown by headbutting a wall by the end zone. Farat's eyes rolled in his head, and he sprained his neck. Years later, Farat said, quote, I think if I didn't laugh about it, I wouldn't have been able to play another

10 years. Didn't you think that Jimmy Johnson was going to cut Leon Lett? For that? Yeah. I don't know. He's a really good player. He was a tremendous player. I remember the Farat thing because you could see his eyes rolling the same. You were there, weren't you? Yeah, and you just say to yourself, what are you doing? What are he exactly? He's made fun of himself, though. I'd like that.

What are you doing? Years later, he made fun of himself. Not in the moment. Happy trails to yesterday's game for the Giants. Things look so good for so long for the Giants yesterday at Ford Field in Detroit. James Winston caught a pass, then ran it for a touchdown that put the Giants up 10 in the fourth quarter. But Jamir Gibbs led the Lions back, rushing for a 49-yard touchdown run in regulation, adding a 60-minute. adding a 69-yarder in OT to win the game for the Lions.

In all Gibbs had 264 yards from scrimmage and scored three touchdowns. That led the Giants to fire defensive coordinator, Shane Bowen, this morning. Also, injured receiver, Malik Neighbors criticized the team's play calling in social media before later deleting the posts. See, there are more candidates

for the Turkey of the Year award. And by the way, Joe Turkey Jones, who I referred to, you'd forgotten? I forgot. Two Turkey Jones played 10 seasons that I forgot. In the NFL. Cleveland, Washington.

Let me just say this. What Malik neighbors did, that's bad. He ripped his team. That's bad. You take the post down, sorry. It didn't undo it. That was public. And if I'm the Giants, I don't know.

I mean, the Giants are firing people left and right. You know, I think they should hire his coach, don't you? Lane Kiffin. Oh, that's right. He coached the quarterback. They should consider that. Let's go to the big finish. Let's do it.

Chris Paul, your boy, reportedly plans to retire after this season. So what are your thoughts? Congratulations on one of the great careers of all time. I don't want to hear about rings. Chris Paul weren't. They didn't get any ring. Point guards of all time. Because David Stern took him away from him and coached.

Let me quote the commercial. I love Chris Paul. Love it. Thank. Oregon and USC beat USC in Notre Dame. Crush Syracuse. What was the bigger deal? I'm inclined to say it's Oregon because her first really big win

against a really good team after losing to Indiana. Do you know what's going on now? Notre Dame and Miami are playing phone tag. They're just trying to get... Miami's trying to get close to Notre Dame. Notre Dame's trying to keep distance. They're not slip up. Jay-J McCarthy struggled as the Vikings got rolled by the Packers.

Your analysis. Yeah, all the pundits who swore Kevin O'Connell was going to make him Joe Montana this season. Panthers at Niners tonight, who you got? Carolina's a real surprise. They're much better than I thought, but I've got the Niners tonight. Last one, Stars Forward, Miko Ranton, automatically suspended one game from boarding Matt Coronado of the Flames.

Is that enough? Two times in three games? No, it's not enough. And the first guy, he's going to be out like months. No, no. He has to go for much longer time. We're out of time. We'll try to do better the next time.

Happy Thanksgiving, everybody. I'm Mike Wilbon. We are off until Monday, December 1. So have a happy Thanksgiving. You knuckleheads. And now, Monday night. Didn't we used to work Tuesday and Wednesday? Nah.