Puck Soup - Alain Moussi

Episode Date: February 22, 2018

Greg and Dave chat with "Kickboxer: Retaliation" star Alain Moussi about the Ottawa Senators, his life as a stunt man, Hugh Jackman's body, acting with Mike Tyson and ranking Jean-Claude Van Damme movies. Plus, Team USA men flop at the Olympics, the NHL trade deadline, Chicago Blackhawks fans get banned for racism, Greg takes the The Brent Seabrook Contract Quiz, Erik Karlsson trades and reader mail! Brought to you by Health IQ, Casper and Seat Geek!

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Hey, everybody. I'm Dave Lozo. You might know me as the guy that had the same amount of points in the Olympics as Brian Giante. Which is zero. I'm Greg. I'm Greg Wischinski, ESPN. I got into a fight with Ray Ferraro on Twitter about that. You see that?

wasn't really a fight. Get out of here. You got into a fight on Twitter with somebody? Yeah. No way. I, uh, I said something to the effect of, uh, Brian Gianta clearly doesn't want to have to play in the NHL anymore based on this performance in the Olympics. And Ray stepped up and, and said, I'm here. And I don't know what tournament you're watching. You gave you the, quote tweet, too. He didn't give you the reply. He wanted everyone to see it. Yeah, Gianta had like, what, 16 shots on goal without a point? Zero points. Yeah. He didn't play any, he also lost. He also lost. a face off clean that resulted in a check goal.

Boy, did he lose that face off clean. Why is he even taking a face off? I don't know why he's taking the face off. Somebody get chased? But they made a good point, though, on the broadcast. The guy won it that way because there was no one on the wing. He can just go get it and then move it back to the point. But yeah, Brian Giantha was not very, you won't believe this,

but a bunch of guys that aren't good enough to be in the NHL anymore weren't really that good. Oh, you're in Puck's suit, by the way. The U.S. was eliminated as we did this podcast last night, 3-2 in a shootout. So there's some extra pain. I mean, look, if you could tell me before the Olympic started that the United States could have a chance to extend the shootout in the quarterfinals and the puck's on the stick of Mark Archibello. Well, I got to take that.

In fairness, like Troy Terry also had the puck too, and he's pretty fucking good at shootouts. That was the worst shootout I've ever seen. It was just a bunch of guys, like, even Ryan Donato's move was weird. It was like Ryan Donato had such a good Olympics. And then in the shootout, it was like he forgot how fit. physics worked. He made this move where like it was physically impossible for him to angle the puck into the net from where his stick and hands were. It was also a situation where I... It's so weird. It might be the first shoot I'd ever seen where the keeper made multiple saves

with his skate by the post on shots that just with any elevation with goals. Or it was either that or they just shot, like Mark Archivello just shot the puck right into the check goal. He didn't even, like, he was trying to go five hole and just missed completely. And even like the check moves, the one, the one guy who made a move in the entire shootout on both teams scored. He opened up Plazons. Ryan Zimalski, whatever's name is, and scored 5.

Everybody else was trying to snap off shots. I guess Terry didn't. Yeah. I think here's, I wrote a post-mortem about Team USA late last night

for ESPN to five reasons, whatever, blah, blah. Yeah, you got the 5. I love the 5. The 5 is great. Oh, I got to, you were surprised I got to 5?

I was like, I was like, one, the roster. Thanks for reading. That's all I need. Well, the roster's part of it. Like, I mean, obviously like the roster

is a thing where if we had Austin and Jack and all of the other guys, we'd still be playing. Like, I don't know fuck all about college hockey, but I feel like there's probably a couple of college hockey guys that might have been better than that's the thing. The old NHL guys. Like, when you're watching this tournament and you're like watching the

Mark Archivello's and Brian Giants Bobby Butler. Bobby Butler's of the world. Ever Bobby Butler and the Devils? Yeah, I do remember Bobby Butler. He was one of the first guys to wear nine after Zach Poreseh left, and Chico Rresh made a big point about how, oh, they don't give out nine to anybody. Yeah. Nine's an important number. And then he was gone in like four days.

Like he's a fucking midfielder in soccer. You know, like, oh, oh, no, what an honor or not. Because, well, previously nine was Kirk Muller, right? Kirk Muller was nine, yeah. Yeah, then it's been pre-eze. But still, it was just a series of guys like that, like some guy named O'Brien or O'Shea. Somebody mentioned the other day, they're like, if they think the devil's going to get Colbuchar back. I'm like, yeah, because, you know, what you really want to do is when you have a great top-line left wing is bring in Ilya

Colvichuk because then that left wing won't be there in about two years. Colvichuk's in a place now where he'd probably be happy to play on the second line with Hall on the top. Come on. Come on. He's 34. Have you ever known Ilya Colvichuk to be a humble individual? He's a great guy. I think he's a great guy.

He's actually great in the room. But like at the same time, I don't think there's a fucking way he's not playing top line minutes in this league. Those other thing, too, about the Olympics was like the only real super talented guys there are the Russians, like Colvichuk and Dotsick. And Colvichick scored some garbage one-time unscreen goal that went through the arm in the body of somebody. Everyone's like vintage Colvichuk. Like that the puck is not going in in the NHL ever.

Colvichick scored a goal that was literally like when you're playing Nintendo Ice hockey and you rev up the fat guy at the red line to take that big shot. That's what it was. That's what it was. And it went right through the blocker arm in the body. And everyone was like, oh, man, that's what Colvichuk does. Like, well, yeah. Do do do do do do do. He's not doing that in the NHL.

He had a nice snipe later in the game where he went high glove. But, I mean, to answer your question, I don't fucking. know why. Once again, we're in a position as American hockey fans where I don't know why the fuck they built this team. I don't know the logic behind it. All due respect to the late Jim Johansson,

why isn't KC. Middlestad on this team? Why isn't, you know, there are a number of good young college players. Cachuk, fucking Kiefer Bellows. Seriously, we finally have our stutter pipeline.

We have our Kachuk pipeline and we're not using it. Right. All these world junior guys. So the argument was that we don't want to have them miss even more school because, you know, that'll matter when they're fucking pros. And then the other thing was like, well, you know, they just played in World Junior. There might be, it might be too much hockey for them, which again, they're all, they're six weeks ago. Like, they're fucking 19. Like, remember when you were 19? I could play back to back world tournaments at 19.

I mean, to be fair, they did play five games six weeks ago. So they must be exhausted. One of them was outdoors. So that's like extra damage on their. on their power bar. But like, again, we are, we are so fucking stupid in the way we do this, this, this team construction. It was the same situation in the Olympics in Sochi.

It was the same situation with the World Cup of hockey, albeit that, you know, are better players that would be on Team USA, we're on Team North America. But once again, it's like, we leave, we leave the best offensive players off the team for reasons. In this case, they're just children or they're tired or they need to study for chemistry. And then we put on fucking Bobby Butler. Casey Mills, that's going to be a scientist when he gets home in college. That's what it is.

Right, exactly. Like, oh, Casey, do you want to go represent your country at the Olympics and be a first-line player? I don't know. I got this psych 101 quiz next week. Wasn't there a guy who said he didn't want to kill him a car from Team Canada? Oh, that's who it was. Oh, so it wasn't an American. No, wasn't it.

So we go, the dual philosophies in building this team were leave the college kids home because they're not ready or whatever. And then get as many veteran guys from rando leagues that play on Big Ice on the team that aren't good. And I just, I will never understand the logic in how we do this shit. Now, I know Canada they left a bunch of, they don't have any

like junior players in their team. But it's Canada. But it's Canada. Right. They have a, they have a better cut of meat than we do. Canada has a... We're dealing with a... With a roast that needs to, you know, be in the oven for three hours to render the

fat and Canada has filet vignon by comparison. Like even their store brand filet mignon is still good. Oh yeah. You know? Oh yeah. Oh, geez. Dude, we had in 70 minutes of hockey last night, 10 of which were played at 4 on 4 in like, I guess, six or eight at 5 on 4,

and we had 20 shots on goal. We got rolled by the checks in the second period. Even in the first period, after we scored, it was just a lot. There was a moment in the second period where I tweeted, like, they won't even have to resurface two-thirds of the ice. It hasn't been used. It's just everything in the use. U.S. defensive zone so far. It was bad.

I mean, if, and the thing is that we do this every four years where, oh, what went wrong? Well, we need more grit and jam. We should have brought Ryan Malone instead of, instead of Terry. That would have been the difference. I don't, I don't put it on like Tony Granado. Like, listen, I do. There's two things that I think

are kind of fucked up about this team USA. And again, like, I'm bitching about it. I'm a patriot. I want us to do well in international hockey. I don't like not at least being in the middle round. I acknowledge the fact that yeah, our best players are in the NHL. The rest of it's kind of horseshit.

We made the best of a bad situation, except we didn't invite the college players. And also, we didn't make the best of it at all. I don't know where you're getting that from. I think the other issue is that, like, why don't they have, is it because all these players are from different leagues that they can't get together outside of five practices

before the Olympics to figure their shit out? That's every team, though, isn't it? Yeah. Or actually, I don't know, maybe the Czechs and the Finns. Yeah, and also the Russians are, basically pulled from two different KHL team. So, like, half those guys are teammates. And they're also all a bunch of awesome

NHL guys that just didn't want to be in the NHL anymore. Like, they're not... Well, I was trying to say that Bobby Sanguinetti. Right. I mean, I believe... Jim Slater. I believe he just wanted to take his talents elsewhere. I mean, the NHL, everybody's like, Bobby Sanguinette, can you...

We need you for the cup run. He's like, nope. I will come back when I'm ready. Bobby Sanguine Eddie. To be fair, I mean, we were six inches away from scoring winning goal on a Bobby Sanguine. Any show we at the post right before that. But still, it was a badly, badly formed team. Ryan Donato played great.

Terry played great. Jordan Greenway was present. Jordan Greenway took a lot of dumb penalties. He took a lot of dumb penalties. He was very Benoit-Pugatish. They were all in the offensive zone. They couldn't figure out why he was doing it. I mean, his course, he was probably amazing then.

I think that, like, if you're a Bruins fan, you probably got a Donato boner. I think if you're a Ducks fan, you love Terry. And I think if you're a wild fan, you're a, you're like, hey, maybe he can help. Jordan Greenway. I just, I am, I am, look, I'd rather have lost with the young guys than lost with a bunch of, a bunch of NHL walkouts. Look, this whole year is a mulligan.

Like, I don't understand why anyone wouldn't approach it like that. Like, your whole plan, if your USA hockey, was to get to this point where Austin Matthews and Jack Eichel and Dylan Larkin and Shane Gosses-Barre and all these guys are all. ready to challenge her goal to finally get over the hump, then none of them are here. So now you're stuck, so that you have two paths to take. You can either go with a bunch of kids that'll be exciting and they'll get experience. So like when Middlestad comes back

in 2020, or 2020, rather, like he'll be ready. I mean, he might be there in 2020. He seems pretty talented. He could probably do, like, volleyball or whatever. Although he's in college to get his degree. Maybe he's a professor at university at that point. At university. Or maybe he'll be on holiday. I'll be on holiday at university.

After a Fortnite at university. So, or go with fucking, you know, scrape together. This, this fucking team was like when you're high at one of the morning and you're like, I'm going to make dinner. And then dinner winds up being like corn chips with ice cream on it and then also brie. Like, that's what this team was. It was like a, when you're high, are you giving an example of a bad meal or a good meal there? I'm like, wait. Is the Brie on the side?

Because it's not such a bad idea. I don't blame Ryan Sapolsky. I thought he played all right. There was no goalie in this tournament that was going to, that's stealing games left and right. So, yeah, it was fine. The real, the Olympics start tonight. Well, as we do the pot, it's, unfortunately, we're doing the podcast before the women's game. No, we already know what's going to happen.

What? We're going to lose? No. We're going to win. Are you fucking kidding? We're going to bury Canada. Yeah, because we lost in prelims. And we, we roll them in prelims.

So, just, you know, we got, we won the course of the hockey league game. We did. But we got a couple of bad bounces. Bad puck luck. Going to steam roll Canada tonight. It would be. Four goal difference. You'll hear this.

You'll laugh at us if we lost, but it would all cry tonight if we win. I will fucking weep tonight if we win. I didn't read the story, but I saw you tweeted it out from the ringer, the whole the U.S. legacies in Tacken matter what happens in the Canada game. I didn't read the story, but I disagree with the tweet. Well, I think that was the story was more along the lines of like the fight that they had to get money. Like, they've, in the last year, like they've leveraged their

their success. To get fair pay? I think that was more like it. I thought it was more like on the ice because like, no. Because if the Buffalo bills were on their way to their third straight Super Bowl and they were like, if we lose, it doesn't matter. No.

And honestly, there's, you know, I was watching the NBC coverage, unfortunately, after the U.S. lost to the checks. And like, I'm sorry. Like, as a fan of anything, why does it always have to be everybody gets a gold star? Is it because you have all these ex-jockex. on there that just want to kiss the ass of these guys.

It's why Ray Ferrar's defending Brian Gianta on Twitter. Like, as a viewer, I've just watched my team be eliminated before the metal round in a shootout. And not only that, but play extraordinarily poorly. I just wrote about this. In a game. And then, like, fucking, like, no one says no one says anything we've just talked about,

about the construction of the team, about the players that didn't show up, about the veteran, like, fucking Gianta, pouring a billion, becoming the Alex Semin of elderly American players and just pouring shots on goal when that's going. Is he a lot? Why doesn't anybody have a fucking, like, why isn't fucking Roanick more like Chelyos and Hallward in the World Cup where they're like, this is horseshit?

Like, why can't someone on NBC be like, this is horseshit? They never do that. I was just right about this because not everybody loves Johnny and Tara, but like they're, they're never dishonest about how they feel about stuff. And on NHL broadcast. So I was watching the, it was the game, Rangers Flyers on NBC. Oh, Rangers. Flyers, Flyers, goaltending, not existent. one side

a Swedish sieve angry at his defense on the other side everyone's broken so they got Peter Marizek Rangers Flyers next that poor lion kid has

maybe he's not Leon to 29 what's that I think it's Leon they're calling him lion the whole time really

I was gonna make a Lion King joke but the point is is just the Rangers they've been terrible since the all-star break they're selling and they were just

they were a bad bad bad bad in front of Lunkwist again and Lungquist gives up seven goals I would say for sure seven weren't his fault. And Joe Micheletti is the Rangers broadcaster who's doing the national game.

And instead of, this is the perfect time to just lay into the Rangers, you know, what were they doing in the offseason with Brendan Smith and Kevin Chattonkirk? Now they're selling. They're not giving any effort. What's Elaine Vigno's plan? It's just, let me tell you, Henrik Lunkwist has been the MVP all season. None of this is on him. Okay.

Fine. Sure. The second, who is it? Cemicolon. Who is it on? But I believe. it should be. Great.

And I'm just saying, you don't have to do that every single game. You don't have to be a negative person the whole time, but there's times when it's called for, which is why, again, when Johnny and Tara are like,

oh my God, that was the worst twizzle ever, whatever they say. I don't know. You need to do that once in a while. Otherwise, like, you're just watching this like PR-fueled broadcast that no, even Ranger fans

don't want to hear that. Ranger fans, you're not going to upset them if you're like, what is going on on the back end here? Why is Elaine viny? You can do that, but like you said, they don't do that in NBCC.

And it's always bug the shit into me as a hockey fan because you know what? In every sport, you have people that can be very candid and tear the shit out of a team when necessary. And like, in the history of the fucking NBC NHL relationship, going back to versus, going back to OLN. The OLLN. Like, outside of Mike Milbury occasionally calling a guy a clown or other things. Yeah, because he skated backwards during the Austin game or something. Oh, look at those two sweets. Them on the way's over here.

Like, outside of that fucking clownery, like, there's never been a guy that, or anybody that's an analyst that will just tear the shit out of people. You know, tear the shit at a fucking Eugene Melnick. Tear the shit at a fucking Peter Chiarelli. Like, I really, it's baffling to me that we, you know, we don't get more of that. And I was looking for that on NBC last night. I was looking for someone to be like, what a goddamn embarrassment that we to make the metal round in this horse shit tournament.

This fucking pick up beer league tournament. We didn't make the fucking metal round. Or Tony Granado bitching about them running this. Oh my God. I don't think we had a show since then. No. Like it's a round robin tournament. What a fucking embarrassment.

Like, even if, first of all, hockey is not like other sports. Like, you have a say, a large say into whether or not a team runs up the score. Don't take a penalty. Yeah. And they won't be five out four. Or don't get down five one. You know, and have to worry about that shit. I'm sincere when I say this.

The last time that I dealt with a coach who complained about someone running up the score, it was a new high school in Virginia that had just started playing basketball. Right, college football. And got waxed by the big dog school in that region. You should be embarrassed. If I was a team USA player, like I would be more embarrassed if, what was it, it was 3-0 at the time, right? And then they scored to make it 4-0.

If it's 3-0 at the time and they put out their 4-0, if it's 3-0-0, and they put out their fourth line guys for the power play. That to me is more insulting because they're, they feel like that would be shame. Like that's more embarrassing than them. It's a combination of a few things. It's like, first of all, who gives a shit? Like, it's a, it's a killer instinct thing and it's great.

Second of all, it's a fucking tournament where goal differential is a tiebreaker. So of course they're going to try to keep scoring. Third of all, the last time these guys saw you, you beat them in a shootout. Interruption. The same fucking guy taking all the shots who then became an internet. national celebrity and produce one of the greatest moments

in Olympic history, according to us. Wait, international celebrity. Yeah, T.J. Osi. I thought you told me the NHL doesn't get anything. Yeah, but he wasn't a celebrity in North America. Just in that's one. And they're like, you beat us in Sochi. You fucking embarrassed us.

So we're going to embarrass you. That was also kind of secondarily embarrassing when Ilya Klobuchar was like, yeah, this is for T.J. Osi. Like, oh, great job beating Mark Archivello in hockey. Yeah, that's revenge. Good job.

That's like if the Yankees lose to the Marlins in the world, series in 03, then the next year they sweep them the next year after they've sold off all their players. Like, take that, Marlins. Like, nah. Right. Or, or, or, or, or, or, it's no, it's no or not what it mattered. Or, like, someone exacts revenge on a college football team, like, three years after they played for the national championship. Oh, I love regular season of revenge exacting after you lost the championship year before. I love that. Yeah, we got you, man. Yeah, remember our quarterback to win the national championship? He's on the Raiders now, so, like, I don't have to tell you. Stupid. T.J. O'Sh is, stupid. T. T. T. O'She's home. He's not even watching

the game. He's like, what? What did I do? Oh, right, I beat you four years ago. We will put rubles on the board for this revenge game. Show T.J.O. T.J. Sochi, what we do in Russia or sort of Russia. Or we are from Russia in the Olympics to be Olympic athletes from Russia, but also still Russia. I don't know any OAR songs in order to make reference to band. I know that band exists in 90s, but me not know the term of the title of the song. I really hope that like, I don't know what song they play if and when the Russians win gold,

but I really hope it's like cotton-eyed Joe. Give them some shit anthem. Like, give them a shit post-antham as the song, as the Olympic flag is raised to the banners. Maybe it's like the music that Drago listens to or plays in Rocky 4, 3, 5, whatever number that was with Drago. Like, what's some good Russian music? So the Rocky 4 music ranking Hearts on Fire The Burning Heart

And then Whatever the music Draggo listens to I know which one you're talking about Like training montage music Yeah training montage music Hearts on fire without question is number one in that ranking That's when Rocky's snow training Maybe they can play some music from Eastern Promises

When Vigo Mortensen's Dick and balls are flopping around in the sauna They don't have a shootout in the gold medal game It's a shower fight you have to fight Russians in a shower Nerda win the gold God Yeah so who's left

Canada plays Germany And Russia plays Yeah Germany knocked off Sweden Like this morning Which is incredible Stupid tournament this is What I know But here's the thing like

I go back and forth in it Like the hockey's been terrible The hockey is like It's people are like Oh it's gonna pay attention to the NHL Well it's real easy When the NHL's actual good hockey And the Olympics is fucking terrible

But I will say that the terribleness of the hockey and the parody that we have in this tournament is kind of appealing to me in the sense that like fucking Germany beat Sweden like the Czechs beat the US Slovenia beat the US yeah I mean everybody's pretty much beat in the US I was gonna say yeah there's not so much of an upset the US winning is actually the unpredictable thing that you would be surprised by at this point yeah it's like it's like somebody now we're the college football school that used to be a powerhouse and now we blow right we're 4 and 8 Notre Dame right for some reason we're on national TV in primetime and no one really can remember one The Navy pulls off the what have been an upset in the 1990s over Notre Dame. You know what I'm quietly mad about is going into the Olympics. One of the things I kept hearing was, what's the point of sending the teams the players from the NHL when all these games are on in the middle of the night? Pretty much every game, the U.S. game, has been on at either 10 o'clock at night or 7 in the morning. Those are totally doable times.

Yeah, they were totally fine. Every U.S. game was watchable. I mean, I understand that if you're on the West Coast and the games are at like 7 o'clock. in the morning. And again, but fucking four o'clock in the morning watch the games.

Yeah, but I mean, almost all the U.S., Canada women's games and all the U.S. games would be at 7 o'clock at night. Perfect time for the...

I mean, it was never going to be perfect, but they made it seem like every game was going to be on at three in the morning, and it's not. I don't know. The whole thing with the IOC

and the NHL really pissed me off because hockey really is like... Hockey usually is like second to figure skating insofar as like impact and so far as like impact and so far as ratings and interest. Yeah.

I would rank it behind figure skating, snowboarding, skiing, probably curling this year. Definitely ice dancing with those two Canadians that we all want to fuck. We all want them to fuck, I'm sorry. Wait, who? Oh, Virtue and War? Yeah. Yeah, they're not fucking. I don't think they're fucking. I don't think they ever have fucked.

They may fuck, but I don't think they have fucked. I tend to agree with the theory that their magic is from the withholding of the coitus. The Joey Tribiani theory. Well, it's more like the Sam and Diane Cheers theory, where the minute they consummate, the show gets all. a lot less interesting. Yeah.

And maybe they lose their magic. So I'm with, I'm, I'm not shipping virtue and no more. I don't think that they should. Don't think that's a thing. I mean, most times, yes, if I were to see a man hoist a woman onto his shoulders and then push his face into her nether regions, I would assume something's going on, sure. I think it's just, it's acting. It's part of the show.

It's part of the performance. And also, I think the mystery thing helps with like the judges. You think, I was wondering about that too. I feel like that's, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's why the Americans took bronze is because they're like, their brother and sister, they don't want to do this shit. See, like, they should have come out to like a Game of Thrones song to mess with their heads. Just be like, wait, are they trying to tell us something here?

Wait, no, they can't be. They're siblings. Wait, they're using the Lannister theme. Right. Took a second to get there. There you go. There you go. And that gives them like 10 more points in the score.

There's always some Steve Simmons fuck that's always like, oh, you're not a real sport. And, you know, I don't agree with that. I think there are other sports that are judged, boxing is judged, for example. But I will. Yeah, but like you can, if figure skaters could knock each other out on the ice

to win sometimes, then it's different. But it's also a situation where nobody's watching a boxing match of being like, you know, I want to give them a seven for this round, but I might give them an eight, because I'm pretty sure they're not fucking. I mean, I can't watch ice dancing

and figure skating seriously. Like, I just can't. I understand the athletic ability and the training and the choreography. Do Johnny and Tara help you watch it? Because I think, I think that much. like the NBA

intermission show with Barclay and Kenny Smith is an entry point to that league for anybody that ever wants to watch anything. I feel like Johnny and Tara make figure skating the most accessible and interesting thing that could possibly be. If I'm going through the channels, I'm like,

Tariko is talking to them in the studio about something, like, I'm like, oh, yeah, let's what they have to say. They're nicer than they're portrayed on the internet. You know what I mean? Like, on the internet, the only time you ever hear about them is when they've laid into a skier who fell a skier, a skater who fell down. But yeah, like, again,

one of the things I can make watching hockey more of an event is if you have people who are like Johnny and Tara, who you know at some point may honestly say, hey, this player is bad. Yeah, they're like that they, like, you cannot miss that jump or like, you know, that's a jump that they make a billion times and they're not making it here.

It means they choked or whatever. Yeah. But at the same time, the greatest thing about their criticism are those performances like, when one of those Japanese skaters, I think on the men's side was going and like they're just quiet. Like that's the most amazing thing.

They're quiet the whole time. Then you're like, they just, the performance ends and terror would be just like, beautiful perfection. Motion was so on the surface. I loved it. That's the thing too is they love figure skating. Like they're not like cynical or anything.

They're just every once in a while. They're like that person. Do you think, do you think Johnny's looking in the rear view mirror at Adam Ripon coming up behind him as the next to, hey, that's TV, the next gay figure skating celebrity on NBC. You know, there's always somebody younger and hungary are coming up behind you. Like, oh, this is, this is a regular old Betty Davis, Joan Crawford feud going on here that were cooking up.

I didn't, I didn't want to just take the NBC job. It's because he's, I mean, that's the thing. I think if you're working, if you're working media, you can't live in the athletesville. Oh, no, I know that's what he said. But I don't, like, who, why does, like, why are you? The athletes, you want, do you want to support his team? Well, you know, Dave, I covered four Olympics. and I can tell you that living in the athlete's village is the greatest.

You're just around beautiful people all the time and you're fucking playing, you know, games. He could still visit the Olympic Village. He can't stay there at night. You can't have sleep over pillow fight parties with other athletes from like Australia. Really? Is there like someone going door to door at 2 a.m. knocking on doors being like, you got a media pass or an Olympic athlete pass. And he's just like, uh, I got to go.

Like it's not like, it's not, it's not animal house. Yeah. It's, it's you're in the girls dorm. You can't, uh, they're going to find you. I just feel like you have such a limited time as an, athlete. Like if you're like a football player, a baseball player to make money. And like, if you're a figure skater, like, you should probably immediately start earning off of your whatever. I don't know. You should. Do whatever you want. I don't care. I don't care is a beautiful concept. I will say that the big difference for me is like the accommodations for the athletes in the Olympic Village are a lot

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And he is now the star of the kickboxer series. He is becoming an actor. The kickboxer. He lives in Ottawa. He goes to Senator's Games. Poor bastard. And he is someone who truly believe that all it will take is one move of the arena to reinvigorate that fan base. We'll talk more about Ottawa on the other side of this, but this was a real fun conversation.

I will say that one of the more fun things about the conversation did not make the interview. It was a discussion afterwards in which we talked about him being on the set of Suicide Squad and Jared Leto being in character at all times, walking around the set going, ha, ah, eh, eh, eh. Just talking to walls and doing that voice. that's normal Elaine's awesome You're going to love this And here it is Elaine Musai is

According to this An in-demand stuntman But that's not true And anymore You're a fucking star now You're the lead of a franchise now Well yeah I am I actually made that transition

So it's great I don't know In-demand stuntman I guess I was before I guess Definitely was getting A lot of calls And working a lot

So I was in demand and right now you'm focused on this. How does it work, though? Because I saw that you were the stuntman for Hugh Jackman in Wolverine. So, like, do you get to be Hugh Jackman stuntman in every Wolverine movie forever because you're big and you look like him and you can do his stunts? Or is it just like they can bring in somebody new at any point?

So actually, his official stunt double, his name is Daniel Stevens. I'm not his official stunt double. So Daniel Stevens has been doubling him over the last, God, long time, like five to ten years. In multiple movies. Now, when they were shooting Apocalypse, they were in Montreal, there was additional photography, and they had him come in for three days. And at the time, Daniel was shooting on King Kong out in, I think it was Australia, New Zealand. So Daniel actually contacted me, because we knew each other. We had met each other on a previous X-Men movie.

And then he said, listen, I'm not available. It's only three days. Would you be okay to double for Hugh? And I'm like, let me think about that for a few days. How about yes? Right now. So at that point, do you start growing out mutton chops, or do you actually have to glue them on? No, they glued them on.

Yeah. So actually, so then Garrett Warren, who was the stunt coordinator, and I had worked with them before as well. So he contacted the producers, says, he tells them get Al-A-Mussi. And they're like, oh, because the producer obviously don't know you. The stunt coordinators are the guys that bring you in, right? And like, oh, who's this guy? They send him a picture. And then you're like, oh, he's too small.

He was big. And he's like, just trust me. Just get Al-A-Mussi. And they're like, are you sure he's like? he's like, stop arguing, just get Allain. So then they call me, I go in for a meeting, I meet the producer. And then from there, like, we just said, okay, I had three weeks to get in Wolverine shape, if you want to call it that. Three weeks.

Yeah. So, and I'm always working out. So it doesn't matter. It's just a question of size. You know, when he gets into Wolverine zone, like it just puts on a lot of size and gets lean and all that kind of stuff, right? So I'm like, okay, three weeks, I'll work out twice a day at the gym, diet. And I'm kind of calculating all this stuff. And they're like, okay, so that's the time you have.

I'm like, perfect. Just give me, you know, I'll do three weeks full time. Don't worry about it. Come in three weeks later. And I put on eight pounds, nine pounds of, you know, just beef. So it worked out. And I have a great coach. His name is Phil.

He designed the whole program, my Wolverine training program. So I could gain size and lean out all at the same time. And my nutritional program was kind of adapted to that as well. So we borrow that? Because in three weeks, we could look like Wolverine. Yeah. Yeah, they asked me if I shot up. Did you, you know, did you stock up?

And I'm like, no, I didn't. Not, you know, whatever, somebody wants to do that. I don't care. I don't give a shit. I often stand in front of my mirror and say, how can I get weird Hugh Jackman veins? Yeah. Three weeks. Honestly, I think Hugh Jackman is just vain.

Like, it's not. Yeah, but he gets ultra, ultra lean. Like, he gets super lean. But he also has big, large veins. Right. And once you have that, I mean, you get lean, everything shows up. Yeah, it looks like worms are attacking you. Exactly.

Yeah, he looks, he looks. He looks terrible. How important is it to resist? Like, I look at you and I say to myself, I saw that you doubled for Gai Courtney, and I'm like, you kind of look like Jai Courtney a little bit. Yeah. Captain Boomerang action going on over here and Suicide Squad. Like, in the stuntman world, do you have to look like someone or does it not? Does CGI make it not matter anymore?

No, it does. Like, if they do face-on, like sometimes they'll do face-on stuff and they'll do face replacement. That's the thing they do now a lot, actually. If they need to shoot somebody face-on, but most of the time, you'll end up shooting from profile or from the back. So the important thing is the proportions. So you really want to have the same proportions as the actor that you'd be doubling. So every time you look at somebody's body type, you're like,

all right, do they have big shoulders, big chest, big arms, or, you know, where they, you got to look at those proportions. And then that's what matters the most. That's why you can get away with having somebody a double that would be possibly a few inches taller, a few inches shorter, as long as they have the same like shoulder to hip, hip, hip to foot proportions. Do they measure you up? Do they take like a little, like, tape measure? and measure up your bodies?

No, actually, you know what? Most of the time they don't, just son Cornel say he's the good match and he's got the skill that we need. So, and then producers and directors will want to just a look-see real quick. Okay, yeah, okay, that works. Yeah. But I've done a really weird one. It's the weirdest one was on White House down. So they bring us in.

There was me, my buddy Johnny, Stefan, we're in Montreal, and they bring Channing Tatum because they wanted to test a double for Channing Tatum. Yeah. They bring us all into a room with Channing. There's the director, producer. There's a crew of like, you know, 15, 20 people there for the, I've never seen that. I'm like, what hell is going on here? So finally, we walk in.

So they put us all side by side, front, profile, back, and say, okay, take your shirt off. Front, profile, back. This is actually speed dating. As we're backs are turned, we're just there standing. And they're having a conversation. They're chatting, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And we're just kind of standing there. Even chatting Tatum is standing there, I swear.

And he's like, yeah, guys, this is kind of weird, isn't it? And it's like, it is. So finally, they eliminate one guy. Stefan's gone. There's me, Johnny, and Channing. So we're there. Again, side. And they go front, back, profile.

And we do this whole dance again. Then he put on the tank top, which is going to be wearing in the movie. Oh, yeah. And we have to test with it. And I'm like, honestly, Channing Tatum does all his stuff. He does all his fighting. Yeah, he gets slammed on something most of the time. He won't, like, he won't be allowed to do it.

He wants to do it. Yeah. Actually, I threw him over and I slammed them on a huge glass window once. He really wanted to do it. So I, like, over my shoulders, six feet in the air and to the ground. No, he asked for it. The next day was really sore, but, you know, anyways, he had fun doing it. But that's the whole thing.

He's athletic. He likes doing all his action. And then the driving and that kind of stuff is what he possibly had stunned-able will do. So all this to say in the end, my buddy Johnny got it. He's the one that got the job. And it was because they were looking at, they were looking at the size of his neck, like the thing. of his neck and neck to shoulder and I'm like, if anybody

ever notices something like that, you're watching the wrong movie, man. Like, what are we doing here? There's like an I-MD goofs page where it's like, actually in White House down, Channing Tatum's neck is nine inches long and the stuntman is eight and a half. It's ridiculous. So anyways, you know, you get your choice and Johnny's awesome. Johnny had doubled him before on another project anyways

and Johnny's an awesome dude, awesome stuntman. So it was great and I ended up doubling the bad guy, which was a lot of fun. James Woods? This Channington. No, no, not James. Jason Clark. I ended up Jason Clark. He's not that.

So James Woods is like the, you know, evil, evil businessman. Yeah. Let's call him that. He's the guy who shows up with the movie. You're like, oh, it's James Woods. He's totally the fucking bad guy. That's the bad guy. Absolutely.

I double the muscle. I was really hoping that Channing Tame thing was going to end with a dance off. I don't know if that you. I thought the story was going to go. Tell me, get me, I've been always curious about this. So what's the process in breaking up? down a stunt. Like someone comes to you, like, how does it work? They come to you and say, here's what we're thinking. Do you work with the coordinator to be like, what if we did this?

Is it all storyboarded? Like, how does that process work for you to learn what this? Let's say, let's say it's a movie where someone's throwing you out of a fucking window. Like, how do we get to that point? So they'll say we want, uh, the director or producers will say we want him to fly out of the window, like a, you know, 20 feet that way and whatever. So the stunt coordinator with his rigging team because obviously that involves wires and rigging and all that kind of stuff he'll kind of they'll set it all up they'll do tests they don't even need the stunt guy to do that they'll just do tests about it on everything make sure everything works they'll have a system then when they call me in let's say I'm doubling the guy they'll come me in so okay I think here's a

system you're going to fly out the window it's about 20 feet that way you land on cement you land on a mat whatever it is here are the the all the the the setups and then once you're comfortable with that so okay you're good and I'm sure it will test it and test it obviously with as much safety. There's mats everywhere. Everything's padded. And then you test the system. And once you've tested the system, everything goes well with pads and everything. That's when we start reducing the amount of safety in terms of we take away the pads, right?

And then on the days when they'll set up, you know, let's say there's a window. They're going through the window. So they'll set up the window. There's probably a hole in the middle somewhere. So the wire goes through. It's probably a tempered glass. So ready to go. And then that's when you're dressed in the whole thing.

and then there's no more mats or anything because you've tested it. Now you kind of know where the flight's going to be. You can know where you're landing. You know? So then it's like three to one action, boom. And then you go and you're just hoping that the guy, because it depends if it's tampered glass or sugar glass. Sugar glass will just break.

Right. Tampered glass, somebody needs to pop it. Because the way it works. They have to make it like explode. Yeah, there's poppers. There's like little explosives everywhere, like in the corners and stuff. So what they do, they pop it. So as you go through, it's a timing thing. You boom, pop it.

shatters and then you're going through at the same time. And it has to be like synced up perfectly. Of course. If it shatters first, I mean, it looks kind of weird, right? A little bit. Now, in a setup like that, I'd like to think that even if it doesn't pop, you probably go through and then you end up just breaking it anyways. But, you know, you're hoping that it pops.

It's just less of an impact. Like, my friend had to, he was standing. He gets killed. He has to drop face first into a car window and with poppers, right? So he goes like, and he's bald. So he's got his big forehead right there, right there ready to go through. So the guy is a three to one action and those fucking poppers

sometimes he don't pop. Okay? So he just goes limp and he just goes limp, lets itself fall towards the window. Boop, poop, poop, poop, they don't pop. So he goes head first into the window and breaks it. Oh, he knocks himself out. He knocked himself out and he broke it with his head.

You know, nuts. Do you ever get nervous that they have a stunt or is it like you don't get nervous because you can kick everybody's ass? I always get nervous. You know why? Because it makes you aware. I get nervous about, I look at the environment, I'm always aware of what's going on. I think it's not bad nerves, it's good nerves.

Right. It nerves that kind of make you aware, make you excited and that's how I feel. Even in kickboxer, I mean, kickbox retaliation in the end fight, I get thrown all over the place, like actually without wires, just physically by a giant man with the mountain

who's super strong. He's literally the mountain. Yeah, he's literally, that's what it is, you know? So then he, like, when he tosses me, even when he does it, I get like right before the three, two, when I actually, I'm a little nervous, and you know, heart's pumping and adrenaline is going. Three to one, and you go.

And it's like everything, all your senses become aware of what's going on, you know? So I think it just makes it safer for me. What was your first stunt? How did you even get started? What made you say, yes, I want to get thrown through glass in exchange from money? First it was sugar glass, so it was really delicious. The tempered glass and it was totally different. Because most people watch movies, you're like, yes, I want to be Hugh Jackman.

And someone's like, well, actually, I want to be the guy that gets his ass kicked for Hugh Jackman. That's right. How do you do it? What's the first one? It was Immortals. For me, it was Immortals. The movie with Henry Cavill, Immortals and Mickey Rourke. So that was shooting in Montreal.

My friend had become a stuntman before I did. I always wanted to get into film. I just didn't know how. From Ottawa, I mean, you don't have that many opportunities to do an action movie because there's no action in Ottawa, really. You know, so. On the ice are in real life. Oh, there you go.

I found this team. That's a segue. Woo! Right there. So then my buddy calls me, and I had been asking him for five years to bring me in to to meet a coordinator. And so he calls me when they're doing Immortals, says Jean-Frenet, who's a world champion in karate,

he was a fight coordinator. Now, there's usually, in movies that have a lot of fighting, there's usually a stunt coordinator who takes care of overseeing all the stunts. Now, the fights are a division of the stunts. And then you have a fight coordinator that comes in to design the fights and with a fight team. So that's its own little thing.

And then it gets approved by the stunt coordinator and director. So the fight coordinator, I meet him. I start training with the team. he did all the fight concepts called previs and you do the concepts to show the director, texture of the action and what it could be to get approval. So he had me play the hero in those concepts just because I was the same size. I was like the six footer like Henry. And then so I play this and the Sun Coordinator watched it and he's like, oh, who's that guy?

I don't know him. And he's like, oh, it's a new guy. His name's Alain Moussi. And, you know, he's just, he started to train with us. And he's like, oh, okay. Like, does he want to work? He just wanted to do the job So you're like a mannequin

And then they hire you basically You're like the stand-in To figure out how this whole thing's gonna work The stand in a sense like But I was moving actually doing action I was like doing fights So the guy's like he looks good fighting And he knows he looks like he knows what he's doing

Is he good? And John says yeah He's really good actually He's very skilled and he can definitely do the job And he's like do we have somebody right now In the union or That could do the job Like him And he's like probably not

No actually he's a better fighter and the other guys that I know. So, and then some of the guys were busy on the, you gotta consider across Canada, there's multiple films playing and like the popular or very, you know, busy stuntmen are probably working on something else too. So then he's like, no, he's like probably the better option, even though he's new. There's only like 2,000 people in Canada. Only, you know, 2,000.

And that includes like the northern provinces, you know what I mean? There's like 6 up there. Right. I'm worried when I saw Ice Road Truckers, that one. If it's an Olympic year, there's like 20 people in the country now. Oh, that's right. There's like nobody there. All right, you mentioned Ottawa.

We were talking a little bit about before the show about how you frequent Ottawa Senators games. You poor bastard. You're commiserate. You're 17 hours to get to Connecticut. Yeah, travel long journeys. What are your thoughts on Eugene Melnick? My thoughts, man, if I wish I knew enough about Eugene Melnick

and everything that's going on to even have much of an opinion. The only opinion I have is based on a guy who likes going to game socially and for fun, you know. Yeah. So I'll go to Canada. it'll be a long drive. If you hit traffic hour at the same time, it's way too long. So to me, the whole idea of putting the stadium there,

and I understand why they did it. At the same time, I thought it was such a bad idea. Like, it should be downtown. It should be accessible by public transit. His contention, Melnick, is that if you put it downtown, team would be successful. Do you think that there is, do you think that Ottawa is a good enough hockey market

to sustain an NHL team? Do you think the arena is the symptom? or is it just a market that for whatever reason isn't going to fill that building? No, I think it would fill that building. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah, yeah.

It just has to be accessible. Some people won't bother going from the east end to the west end all the way through the west end because of that. But if they could get downtown, go right from work, actually, and go right to the stadium. A lot of people do it too. So I think access is a huge problem in terms of people going there. You know, so having, and right now the plan is to bring it downtown anyways.

So there's bids and they're already planning. this big complex at Lincoln Fields in Ottawa. So I can't wait until there because I would go more often, actually. Just the whole trek of going to Canada, you know, it's a thing. You got to go there before traffic, stay three hours. It's a long ride. And it's also the fact that you want to try to beat traffic. So if you get there, let's say you beat traffic, you get there at four.

The game's at seven. I got three hours to, you know, go to a bar and do something. You know what I mean? I don't know. It's not easy access where I can get there like half an hour early. Because if not, you're like, in the grind. You know, it's a huge grind. In a way, the senators have been helping you out

because you've been able to beat traffic on the way home. Like, first period, you can just go home. Exactly. There you go. There you go. Yeah. You were saying before you were workout buddies with Mark Matha. Yeah.

He's my best friend. No, no. He's, you know, it's like when you meet somebody a few times and he becomes your best friend. Mark Mathoud is my best friend. No, I could probably text them. But, no, Mark's a super nice guy. We met at a strength training gym in Ottawa. And we just happened to be in the same place.

And then he actually, funny story, again, I am not knowledgeable in hockey. I'm not, like, I like, I like watching a game. I'll go when my friends invite me. I'll go on with the buddies in the club, have a drink, socialize. Sometimes they'll laugh at me because when we're in the, what do you call the lounges. Yeah. We're in the lounge. And the game's going on, but I'm chatting.

And I'm having a drink. You know what I mean? They just say, S. Y, Lang, what happened in the game? I'm like, good things, good things and bad things and all kinds of things. happened. It went to a net at some point. You know, some people were skating. It was great.

So, so me and Mark, we're in the gym and I didn't even know who he was in the gym. Again, contextually, sometimes you don't recognize people. And I don't know enough about it.

I can never pick out those guys. They're all walking around in their affliction shirts. I don't know what the fuck they look like away from the rink. You know what I mean? They're all wearing helmets. There you go.

Yeah. So then he out of context, you don't know. So he actually walked up to me and he says, hey man, I just want to say congratulations on your movie. and I'm like, oh, thank you very much. Yeah, I saw Kickbox for Vengeance.

It was awesome. Congratulations on your success. And I'm like, oh, thanks, man. That's awesome. Thank you so much. And I said, what's your name? He said, oh, Mark. I say, thanks, Mark.

And that's it. I'm trading with my coach, Phil. And Phil's like, do you know who that is? And I'm like, a nice guy? I don't know. And he's like, that's Mark my thought, man. He's like a sense player. He's like, and I'm like,

shit, really? So I walked up to him and say, hey, man, congratulations on your success. That's awesome. I just found out who you are. And not that I would give you more importance either or not, but I mean, I'm just saying, like, congratulations and thank you. What thought walks up to you? He was like, yes, I'm a long-time Ottawa Senator Mark.

You know what I mean? You're like, oh, do you want an autograph? Did he shake your hand? Was he missing a finger from the Sydney Crosby side? Yeah, that hadn't happened yet. So then we take a picture and that was it, you know? But after that, we just kept on chatting. And, you know, Mark was a super nice guy.

We saw each other to gym and that's it. Like, you know, it's... Where is he now? He's Dallas. Oh, right, right. but he's been hurt all year, so it's fine that you didn't remember. He went to Vegas, and then he went to... Yeah, that's what it was.

It's too bad, because, like, during the playoffs last year, I actually watched the playoffs last year, and that was, like, he did a great job. He did an awesome job. And then when he got traded, I'm like, oh, man. You know, it's too bad. Ottawa's so weird, man. Like, every few years, they go on those runs.

They just had this long-ass run in the playoffs. They do? They kind of disappear for a while, and then all of a sudden they're back again. Here's Ottawa again. And everybody at NBC here in the States is like, oh, shit, Ottawa, no. Don't play in the cover.

final our ratings will disappear they're like they're like they're like herpes where like they they flourish for a little bit then they then they go away that was actually their slogan for the uh and they come back the 12 13 season ottawa we're back there you go

so that's how i that's how mark method became my best friend bestie right my best barbecues yeah trading pictures on snapch all the time what's his workout is it what's he what's he benching what's he putting up like oh i don't know the numbers 270

you know what Yeah, he, you know, I don't even know. He's in powerlifting gym. Everybody's powerful. That's all, oh, that's my phone. How much you bench? How much you bench? How much you bench?

How much you lift, yo? Hey, bro. Hey, so, speaking of, of, uh, there's no transition. So in the kickboxer retaliation, did you work with, you work with Mike Tyson? I worked with Mike Tyson, yeah. What was that like? I was, that was a trip, man, because I was a fan. I played Punchout a lot.

I know if you guys played Punchout. I played Punchout tons. Come on now. I never beat Mike Tyson at Punch out. Really? No, I never actually beat. I get there. all the time, but I would never beat Mike

and punch him. You should have told us this in advance. We would have brought on a Nintendo. We could have played it right here and give me the codes. Oh, man. That would have been awesome. Oh, my God. So I was a fan of that. I saw him like, obviously, a fight fan for a long time watching Mike's fights. But anyways, I meet him on first day and a little nervous, obviously, a little intimidated because, you know, it's Mike Tyson. He's an old man

now, you can take him. Come on. Well, I think I can. I agree with you now that I've met him. No. So we meet, and the first scene we're shooting is a fight scene. A huge, the huge fight scene in the movie with me and him. You versus him or you and him on the same team? Me versus him.

No shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I thought you'd be fighting back to back, like John Claude Van Damme and Dennis Rodden? No, no, no, no. We fight each other to start. That's how we meet. Oh, yeah. Dennis Rodman.

The double team, boom. There you go. I'm knowledgeable in those movies. I don't know where we're going. So, yeah, so we meet each other. And then we're doing this fight scene. And now the first sequence is him slapping me in the face. That's the first thing we're shooting.

So I throw a jab at him. he blocks it and comes back with a slap. And there's part of the whole, like, comedy thing. Yeah. And it wasn't funny on the receiving end, I'll tell you. No, I can't imagine that Mike Tyson is able to modulate his aggression. Yeah, that probably still hurts. To give a playful slap.

Hey, man, you have to, if you go on my Instagram, I've posted it on my social media. And just that slab, the behind the scenes of that slap. And it was shot with high speed cameras to capture the whole boosh. The ripples in the face. The wobbly cheek. Yeah, complete. And it has to be real. It has to be done for real to see the whole thing.

So it's like, Jabman, I never expected him to be that fast. He is so fast. It's like, boom. Before I even knew it, I was being slapped in the face. It was so fast. It was like, bam. And the first one hit, boom, and surprised me. And I'm like, holy crap, that was kind of hard.

But it worked on the shot. It was nice, except there was a timing issue with the shot. So we do it again. Boom, boom. Now it's a little like just light. Okay, we do it again. And then it's always, it's kind of slid, and it hit me, but it slid. And we do it again and again.

And 10 to 15 times. No. So the one that's, and at some point I was watching the playback. And because it's these high speed cameras, they capture everything. So after the first two or three slabs, I started anticipating. Yeah. So I'm flinching. So as I'm throwing the punch, I'm already knowing this comes up.

I'm like, boom. And then I'm like, shit. I flinched. I have to go again. And then it's me wanting to go again because I don't want to be flinching on the damn shot. Yeah. So then we go again, and I'm, like, trying to go and keep my eyes, like, wide open the whole time until I actually get slapped. And the one that made it, oh, my God.

The first one? The first one? No. Actually, the first one was good. We'll just use that. Does Tyson show up with an entourage? Like, what's his deal? He's got his, he's got, he's got, who, he's got sometimes some members of his family.

Yeah. Yeah, his wife will be there. She's super nice. He'll have a, a lot of his entourage are his friends. Like he'll have a friend who's been with him for a long time and he hangs out with him. So he's always got somebody with him to hang out with. Is there still an aura about him? Yeah.

That's the guy who used to murder people in the regular. That's the dude, man. And he's calm. He's relaxed. He's calm. He's funny. When he says something, he'll joke. It's funny.

Is he funny or do you laugh because you feel like you have to? No, no, no. After the first sequence, I'm like, I can take this guy. So, no, no, no, he's funny. He's actually really, really funny. He's fun to be around. He's a super nice guy. I really enjoyed meeting him.

And you know what, the best part of it, there's a time when we were in Thailand. He came over for one day to shoot some stuff and we shot some training sequences. And as we're shooting... Oh, does he train you in this movie? Yeah, yeah, he becomes a mentor. He's a mentor. So we meet... It's like Yoda.

Yeah, exactly. Mike Tyson's Yoda. This movie. It's the best. But I got to really shoot the shit with him and dig into his brain about his fighting career. And asking questions on how we would train, what we would do pre-fight, when he walked in. The whole idea of him, his... his stare down was really interesting.

Yeah. So he would stare people down until they would look anywhere. Their eyes would just veer either to the right to the left, up down, whatever they go. And as soon as they would look anywhere other than right in his eyes, in his mind, he was like, oh, yeah, I'm going to eat you. I got you. That's it. I got you. You're dead.

You're fun. You're done. And that would be his thing. He would come into the ring and do that. And I read that about him and we talked about it. It was so fascinating to talk to him about that. And then about his picaboo style training, how he would do it, the whole uppercut and hook combinations and his slipping. It was awesome, man.

It was really cool. It's amazing to talk to people who, like, have grown up with, like, UFC and things like that. To think back to what Tyson, like, a Tyson fight on pay-per-views, like, stopped the fucking world. Oh, yeah. Like, it just stopped the world. Everybody, and you all, we all knew it was going to be terrible. Like, we all knew he'd beat up Peter McNeely in 25 seconds. But he'd give you the knockout, though.

He would always give you the knockout. He would always give you the knockout. That's what you wanted to see. Yeah, right. You go find your buddy, like, your buddy's dad who's going to buy the fight and you go to his house. or, you know, your buddy's got the illegal cable hook up, and you go watch the Tyson. Like, what would you rather watch? Would you rather watch Mike Tyson knock out a guy in 40 seconds or, like, Floyd Mayweather

dance for two hours against Connor McGregor? Exactly. The heavyweight division, I mean, the heavyweight division in boxing is just like, it's so, it's bizarre that that's fault. Like, when I was growing up, that was the shit. No, that was a thing. And now I couldn't even fucking tell you that. No, no.

It's one of the rights of M.A. I've kind of, boxing as sidal, especially for the younger generation. How do I feel about MMA? How do I feel about it? I love it. I think I've trained in it. I've trained guys that compete. I love watching. I'll go to UFC, you know, all the time. I never dipped your beak in the world of competitive. It was like a fork and road for me. It was either I go towards film or I was pushed towards MMA. I was a good because I had been grappling for a long time. I was a good striker. I trained with guys that

wanted to compete and I was very successful at it. But at some point, it's like do I want to go and train towards stunt work and film or do I want to train to be an MMA fighter in the cage? It's different types of training and different kinds of focus. So to me, I had to be number one whatever I wanted to do. And to do that, you've got to dedicate everything. Now, I still train all the elements of MMA, you know, Brazilian jitsu and kickboxing. So it's just that I wanted to go.

And honestly, getting a tough call. Like, do I want to get paid a lot of money for getting the shit beat out of me? Or do I want to get a lot of money for make pretend getting the shit beat out of me? out of me and still looking beautiful. Yeah, and I'll tell you, when you pretend to get, your, your, your pay is already done. Like, you know how much you're getting paid. And by the way, I'm faking getting hit in the face. The other way around, it's almost, I'm spending money to get him in the face until I get the number one.

Right. Obviously, it was paying you for a lot. But to me, it was kind of that. And I'm like, hmm, you know, so I think I could have done well as an MMA competitor. Have I focused on it and just done that? but I'm so happy about the choice I made. You made the right call. By the way, how did you make the crossover from doing stunts to actually acting in front of the camera?

In 2011, I met Dimitri Logothetus, who's the producer and director of kickboxer. And he had bought the rights. I was doing stunt work on his show. We did a showcase. And after the showcase, he came to meet me, talk to me five minutes and then offered me an audition to audition with this martial arts films. We were shooting in Montreal as a lead. So I did the audition. And he offered, he said, listen, I want to.

to relaunch the martial arts genre. And I want to do it with something that could do it, pull everything off for real. And that being said, it's like, I want to do it with you. So how would you, how do you feel about doing a few movies with me? You're like, yeah. And I'm like, yeah, I think that's a great idea. That's the best idea. Yeah, you know, I can dedicate it real time to that.

And that was my dream, you know, to do that. And I'm like, I couldn't believe it. So I get in 2010. I started doing stunt work. In 2011, I get this offer. And it was like exactly what I wanted. Now, this film that we were shooting went down, the finance year, you know, things happened with the money and all that kind of stuff.

But years, he had told me that he had the rights to kickboxer. And three years later, I'm auditioning for kickbox. I go in, I do a showcase. It went really well. And all of a sudden, then I become the lead of kickboxer. And that becomes my breakout role. And that's the transition I wanted to do anyways. So in the meantime, during those three years, I was working with acting coaches as well.

And just getting ready for it. And, you know, and I still consider myself today a rookie actor. I've worked with great actors. And I totally admire them. I admire them for their craft and how much dedication they have. So all I want is, as I'm doing these movies, is for the acting to catch up to all the physical martial arts stuff I do, right? And that's what's happening right now, actually.

So it's great. Did you work with Christopher Lambert? I did. The Highlander. Single fate. He did a movie called Gunman back in the day with Mario Van Peebles, and it contains one of the most random dumbest, weirdest jokes I've ever heard. They're in a plane.

They're like assassins, right? Or some shit. They're in a plane. And Mario Van Peebles is like, can you read the instructions of this plane? for me. And like, you see Lambert kind of fumbling around with the paper and Mary of me and people's is like

yo man, you don't know how to read and Christopher Lambert goes, so what? Lots of famous people don't know how to read. And that's it. Like, it's the most red, like, what fuck? Wait, is he, is he playing himself? Is he a famous person? No, no, he's just playing a role, I feel. Oh, he's just saying other people, people who are famous. It was one of

the most, like, it's a terrible one star movie. But that line always stuck with me as being, wow, that's a fucking stranger's response to your illiterate. Dialogue doesn't carry movies sometimes. Sometimes it's just the action. The action does it. But the Highlander himself, yeah.

Yeah. Sometimes the action has to carry everything. John Wick too. Is there a dialogue? John Wick and John Wick too have come up on this podcast, I think, consecutive weeks. Really? John Wick two probably has like a nine-page script, and yet it's the best movie I've ever seen.

Yeah. It's the action, man. It's a, you know, and as an action lead, you look at Keanu in those films, he does, like you just want to see him, do you show. shit. That's sad. You don't want to see him. I don't care about how he feels about whatever. I can see it through, but I can see it through what he does. That's what I don't need him to talk about it. I can see him do and

go after people and kill people and just seek vengeance on, you know, his poor dog. When you watch a movie, are you able to enjoy it or are you picking apart the stunts the whole time? No, I can be able to enjoy it completely. You're not here with me like, oh, you should have really hit his face there. I'll catch some stuff. Oh, wait. Tom Cruise. Bad example. Tom Cruise is all of a I'm sorry.

Yeah. Christ. All right. Last question I've got for you, who talked about it before, the top three all-time Jean-Claude Van Damme movies.

Like my favorites? Yeah. Come on now. Number three. Time cop, time cop and time cop. No, I wouldn't say Time Cop. Not number number one.

Time Cop would be number three. Oh shit. It does make the top three. Bronze medal to time cop. Yeah. And then I'd say hard target. number two fuck john woo yeah

and then i would go to kickboxer's number one kickbox you know why kickboxer not because i did it it's actually i've been saying that for a long time it's because uh because of tung poe the bad guy yeah right the villain makes the hero to me the villain makes the hero you know in the first

when you see him at the beginning kicking the the post and the ceiling is falling down you know that's the whole thing eric eric he's kicking the post you cannot fight Eric, the ceiling was falling down. And it was that vintage sort of time where like before Van Dam became Van Dam.

Yeah, man. The kickboxer lionheart sort of era. Of course. Maybe it was that pre-cyborg or post-Cyborder? No, so cyborg. Cyborg was his first? No, no, no, no. It's in between Bloodsport and Kickboxer, but it came out after.

It was shot before, I think, came out after. Right. But, yeah, no, to me, even, like, kickboxer was the one. Right. It was, it was cheesy. I love the music. It's like, and I get chill. I would get chills watching it.

It was fun. And then at the end, when he fights Tong Poe, you really hate him so much. You hate this Tong Po character so much. He crippled his brother. He raped this girl. You're like, what the? This guy needs to get beat up.

Yeah. You know, he needs the shit kicked out of him hard. And plus, he's in the ring, sets it up. So he gets to beat him up for free without somebody who can't fight back. You're like, fuck you. That can't, right? That doesn't work. That was vintage indie rock John Claude Van Dam.

That was like Lionheart, Bloodsport, Kickboxer. And then a few years later, he signed with a major later. and start doing Street Fighter the movie. Look, look, let's, wait. All right, hang on. If we're going to start disparaging sudden death and things like that, I'm going to cut this off right now. Oh, sudden death is good.

SunCept. TimeCop's a good movie. TimeCop's a good movie. All in his blockbuster, uh, uh, uh, phase. We're talking about vintage. Oh, the hipster Jean-Claude band-a people. But the TimeCop hard target are part of that too. Yeah.

And then they don't answer. It went like, it went like from those, the indie films to like the big, you know, more studio films. Yeah. And then at some point, a mistake was made. And then boom. I'm not saying anything he hasn't said before. So he has,

have you ever watched J-CVD behind closed doors? He had a nice, he had a nice renaissance of like being sort of self-deprecating. Yeah. After it all went to, yeah. Yeah. And then there's this YouTube thing called Behind Closed Doors.

Have you ever seen that? No. Oh, God, you got to check that. That's awesome. That's amazing. Can you do the split? Can I do the splits? Of course.

The split. You know, like in Time Copper, he splits. He does the split on the counter. Yeah, on the key, he goes up. Yeah. No problem. Wow. Yeah.

By the way, everybody knows John Claude Van Damme's best role, right? What's that? His guest appearance as himself on an episode of Friends. See? He knew it. He got there before I got finished. He knows. That's correct.

I appreciate you keeping the consecutive episodes, friend streak, and... Just want to make sure we give John Claude Van Dam the full credit for his full body of work. And listen, he's influenced so many people, has inspired so many people in his career, it's great, you know? So I think these kickboxer movies and the martial arts movies in general, that's the effect they have. They have to inspire people. to see somebody do things and you're like, man, if I could only be that guy to beat up the bad, the bully and beat up the bad guy,

I want to be that dude. You know, it's fun. They're fun to watch. You're entertaining. And the whole time we're making them. Like kickbox retaliation, that was a whole premise. I mean,

we want this to be as entertaining as possible. So when we're talking about action sequences and things that Dimitio wants to put in the movie and then, you know, we take it with our team and we just create it. Man, all we want is people to look at and say, holy shit. That was cool. And that's it, man.

So that's why I watch movies. Cool. Elaine, do you have it? Where can people find your stuff? Yeah, plug some stuff. Tell some stuff. You want me to plug some stuff? All right, let's go.

So number one, kickboxer retaliations, available on iTunes, Google Play, and a lot of VOD outlets right now. So you can go and get it right now. Kickboxer retaliation. Watch the film and use this podcast as a commentary track, although we only referenced the film a few times. That would be my advice.

You're on Twitter. I'm on Twitter. I'm on Instagram. I'm very active on Instagram. That's my big one. It's the best. It's the best. I love Instagram.

videos. It's visual. Videos, pictures, Instagram is where to find me at L.A. Mucey. You look for me there and I post tons of behind-the-scenes stuff. That's what I've been doing now is I take all my things I take on my iPhone. I put them all online. All the behind, cool behind the scenes. And I'm about to post something soon that's like a deleted scene

that I have a copy of. I'm not going to tell the producers I'm going to do it. And by the way not. You know, why not? You know, we'll see what the reaction is. We'll see. But, yeah, I post all kinds of cool stuff. I'm about to develop my YouTube. But right now, Instagram is where to find me,

and it goes to my Facebook as well. And how will you choose to remember Eric Carlson when he's no longer with the Senate? See, that won't happen. Let's not go there, yes, you know? You think he loves the city too much to everyone? He loves the city. Eric Carlson loves Ottawa.

He doesn't want to move. He wants to stay there, you know? I told you that. My theory is always about NHL players is that when it comes to free agency and things like that, they will always air on where my shit is. My shit's in Ottawa.

I want to stay in Ottawa because that's where my shit is. I don't want to move my shit somewhere else. That's right. Right. It's a lot of trouble. Exactly. There you go. I knew he was done there when I saw that pizza he proposed to his girlfriend with.

That's the worst-looking pizza I've ever seen. If that's Ottawa pizza, he needs to get the hell out of that city. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You guys have to visit Ottawa. You know, you have to stop talking about it. Yeah. I've been to Ottawa.

It's a beautiful town. I've been to Ottawa. I've made the drive out there and back. I know where they've never had pizza there, though, to be honest. Ah, okay. Have a good middle-eastern food. So I think it's a Louis Pisa on MacArthur. Go there.

You'll love it. I even plugged Louis Pizzer. Look at that. Using your plug time to plug the movies. That's a gentleman, if ever anything. All right, Elaine, thank you so much. Thank you, sir. Thank you.

Thanks to Lane Musai for joining us here on Puck Soup. You can see the kickboxer flickies in on VOD and iTunes and all the other stuff. Do you do look very much? So to paint a picture, he looks a little like a beefed up Peter Forsberg, but also a little bit much like Jai Courtney, like I said. Like Captain Moomer. Yeah. Yeah. I think those are fair.

I always thought that stuntmen have to, I think my mind has been poisoned by that old Ben Stiller show sketch where he was Tom Cruise's stuntman. And it was just him doing his Tom Cruise impression. And they looked the same. And they had the same mannerisms. I always assumed that like, like, if you're doubling an actor, you have to look exactly like them. Or else it's going to look stupid. Finding out that, like, neck length is a make or break thing in that world.

To get a job is insane. That seems like it's very much maybe Channing Tatum walking up running down the line and being like, I got a fucking perfect neck. I got a beefy, perfect, thick neck. I don't want some skinny neck dude portraying me when I fight James Woods. Do you think that now having met Elaine that he could be a UFC fighter? Like, have you tried? Or is it a different proportions?

I don't know. He's wearing a suit. I can't figure out if he's a, you know. He could just be like CM Punk, like an introloper into M.M.A. Interloper. By the way, I saw Terminator Genesis with Jai Courtney for the first time. Why is that bad movie? That's a bad movie.

There's a good movie in there somewhere. I liked all the jumping back to the original Terminator timeline stuff. Right. You know how you can do that? You can just watch Terminator. Right. This is true. You don't need fan service in these movies that keep getting rebooted is such a hard thing to, like Star Wars.

I forget. Don't you do. No, but I just mean there was one part, and I think it was, I don't know if it was Rogue One or if it was the other one they just did. But like there's a C3PO and R2D2 are not in the whole movie. Oh, there was Rogue One. It was a Rogue One where like a ship just takes off from like a garage. whatever they call it, space garage. And then there's just like those two robots like, oh, oh, Star Wars.

I remember those guys. Like, you don't need to do that ever. You've been charged with 75 crimes around 17 systems. What do you say for yourself? It's a rebellion, right? I'll rebel. I'll rebel. Your name is I rebel.

No, I'll rebel. No, like, all I taught you. It's like, it's like you're, you're rebelling against, say, like the empire or whatever. see I think deep down you know Rogue One's a bad movie Rogue one is a bad movie Oh yes No no no I mean

I talked about this on the Star Wars Minute Like here's where I am on Rogue One It is a great half an hour movie Yeah like Give me the first test of the Death Star On that on the Jedi The Jedi planet where the Temple is and shit Like that's amazing

Give me a couple of the scenes that look really beautiful Like when a dude in the white the the bad guy is walking through the swamps to go get people or whatever the ocean or what the fuck and then gave me the last half hour or 40 minutes of the movie where they assault the the empire library to get the secret star the death star stuff like every scene with um the guy from a knight of what tells that guy's name again is he not uh uh um that disease what his name it's on that dude you go ahead and don't worry you go get it like every scene with that guy where he's like being tortured with like the the the worm thing or whatever like They stole from Star Trek that they put in the Chekhov's ears. Yeah, Riz Ahmed. Sorry. Rizumet.

Like, every Rizumed, Fores Whitaker's scene is just, ugh. The last, but the last 30 minutes are amazing, and it would have been fantastic if that was just it. But, like, the rest of the movie is just, it's boring as shit. Like, I have no need to revisit the rest of that movie. All the shit with Forrest Whitaker, all that are stuff. They never really, you know, develop Felicity Jones's character enough to make it seem, to make me understand why people would. follow her to the depths of hell to go to the Empire library.

By the way, I rebel. That's right up there in Captain America when we need a plan of attack. I got a plan. Attack. Oh, that's actually great. That's so cringeworthy. This might be a bonus episode one day, the most cringeworthy lines and anything. Although, I don't even think she says, Arabel in the movie.

I think that was one of those things that was in the trailer and then it got cut. Yeah? Yeah. I forget. I think she might say it in the movie. I remember, like, my theater kind of groaning at something. Did you say you were a professor? Part time.

Wait, what's that from? That was from Crystal Skull. Oh, right. It was in the end of Jones. I was like, which one was that? Part time. Cam. Oh, God.

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They were, they banned four fans from the United Center. Oh, the jerseys. Yeah, there you go. We're waiting for that. To be fair, we usually don't get up this early to do the podcast. It's a little, it's a little. Yeah, you're a little slow in the uptake. It's right, though.

These bankers hours are killing me. They kicked four fans out of the arena and banned them from the arena for chanting basketball at Devante Smith Pelly while he was in the penalty box. I don't know if you knew this, but DeVante Smith Pelley is black. And also, I didn't realize this until I read up on it. He got the same shit when he was in junior. It's a guy screaming. In Pentecton, right? Yeah, go play basketball of them. So this is something he's dealt with his entire career. Apologies from the Blackhawks. Apologies from the NHL. Apologies from everybody involved. And they ban four fans from

United Center, which of course is completely unenforceable. Right. And they can just buy tickets from anywhere they want. But a nice gesture. What did you think about this whole thing? I mean they did everything right I saw you arguing online again again well by like like I thought once you got the ESPN you'd be like I'm I'm journalist Greg Wischinski I'm never going to argue on Twitter and now it's like

every time I every time it's like my I open Twitter and it's like you may have missed this and it's like you quote tweeting some guy with like eat me I'm Greg Wichinsky but no I never say eat me I'm Greg Wysinski I mean it is my sign off usually on my columns on ESPN Uh, eat me. I'm Greg Mishinsky. But why would you want to eat there when you can eat me?

I'm Greg Wysinski. How about you eat me? Eat me. That was another fucking, before we did the show today, we were doing a, uh, a quote off from, uh, the ref, the classic film. What a movie. Why don't you eat me? So the, the fight I got in over the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the recently was about the

I asked the Blackhawks what happens to the season ticket holders who obviously had these seats because they were section like 121 rows 1 and 2 by the penalty box and the Blackhawks are like here's the statement we put out and I'm like yeah okay but what about the fans that

own the seats? Ah! We're done with it. And that's all I was saying is that I was generally curious about were these season ticket holders? If so, did you revoked their tickets? Like you have to. If they're not season ticket holders, how do they get those seats?

If it's from the secondary market, do you go to the season ticket holder and say, hey, you know, these people, the tickets that you put on the secondary market ended up being these racist assholes. Maybe, I don't know, think about it. Like you have, it's like you were saying, like the four people that got banned, if those aren't their season tickets, which I'm assuming it's not, they can, they're going to come back in the building at some point. Yeah. If you're not going to keep them out. But the one thing you can do is, like, people are arguing that it's not. fair to the season ticket holder, but like, you know, it's on the back of the ticket. Yeah.

But you're responsible for it. So, like, if you're not going to punish those people by taking their season tickets away, like what punishment really is there for the incident? I'm not saying that there should be punishment, by the way. I was just curious about the conversation you have with somebody. I know that when I was a kid going to Devils games and sit in fifth row on my mom's company's tickets, if I did something heinous, if I poo in my hand and throw it at a player, like, my mom's company is probably going to hear it.

She's going to hear about it. Yeah. So, like, so really, so these, these idiot. it's screen basketball at the Vontes-Smith Pelly. Like, what would you say were the repercussions for anybody involved? They were banned from the arena and it's unenforceable. But they're right. So there's really no, like, unless you, unless those tickets belong to somebody who owns them

and has seats and tickets and you take them away from them, there's really no. I don't want them to, I just wanted to know if there was a conversation. Matt Kalman, who's a Bruins writer, sent me a screen cap of the Bruins website with regard to ticket policy. And I'm sure it's probably uniform for every team. Every sport. Every team for sure. You as the season ticket holder will be responsible for any liability or damages caused by your conduct or the conduct of anyone else using the applicable seats. Right. So again, what I found to be really interesting was this notion of once you put your seats up on seat geek or, or, you know, wherever, you know, like, it's no longer your responsibility. And I'm not trying to say don't.

I mean, this is the 0.001% of the time where some shit happened when you've sold your tickets. But I mean, I just feel like it's weird to me that no one believed that there was any inherent risk in doing it. And that you're like, you wipe your hands clean of it. I literally had people saying to me, if I give it the tickets to my friend and they do something, well, then that's my fault. But if I put it on a secondary market and somebody buys it and they do it. do something, well, then that's not my fault. How is that possible? Here's my idea.

Here's my middle ground is those seats now stay empty the rest of the year. No one can use those seats. And whenever you see those seats, you're reminded of the lesson that you're supposed to take from this, which is don't be a racist asshole. It's very powerful. At games. And then maybe the following year, like the person who's season tickets they are, you can use them again.

But again, that's another. Like a memorial to the incident. Right. Like, oh, someone says, why are those seats empty? And then you have to have the conversation about it. And then it's like, oh, okay. And this way, the Blackhawks, you know, they lose that. The Blackhawks, the Blackhawks have to place basketballs on those seats as a reminder of how racist those fans are.

No, you can't do that because hockey fans will see that and lose sight of the argument. And they'll think that's like something about please like my sport. And then like the whole conversation about race and hockey won't happen. Speaking of the Blackhawks, I understand that while I often am the one administering quizzes to you. Oh, I got a good one. You, in fact, have a quiz for me. So I love the segue From Sea Geek to Blackcox racism

Dude I am I am like the captain of the Titanic Wait no I am not You're the captain of the Titanic Right yes I'm Joseph Hazelwood So the Chicago Blackcox as we all know We're not going to make the playoffs this year They're bad

They're not going anywhere And one of the people at the heart of it Is Brent Seabrook Got a really bad contract that expires In June of 2024 It's a long way away. It's only 2018. It's only 24.

It expires. So what I did was I looked up a bunch of movies, 10 to be exact, that are set in the future. Oh. And what I want Greg to do is to figure out if the setting of that movie is before or after Brent Seabrook's contract expires. Okay. Is the

setting of this movie? So for example, so Brent Seabook's contract expires when? June 20, or you can say July 1st, 2024. July 1st, 2024. So, I mean, so like the year so that that summer so he'll win the norris and then his contract expires and then he'll get a new contract from 2025 to 2036 okay so so like if i said blade runner 2049 right you'd be like no that movie takes place after right it's in the title right yeah it's obvious so here we go here's the

first one right Arnold Schwarzenegger's the running man the running man takes place before 24 that's correct takes place in 2019 yeah it felt it feels like it's it's it's an old movie for from the 80s, so it feels like it takes place way in the future, but really... But honestly, it's going to be a documentary by next year, so... All right, that's one and oh. Hugh Jackman's Real Steel. Real Steel definitely takes place after the contract is done. Takes place in 2020.

No! Before. We're supposed to have fighting robots that box by 2020? In two years. Which I don't think we're that far off of. Those robots are opening doors. Like a velociraptor. I was a little bit disturbed by that.

It's a little terrifying. This is all based on Wikipedia, too. The Matthew McConaughey Christian Bale Dragon movie, Rain of Fire. Rain of Fire is, the contract ends,

rain of fire takes place before the contract ends. That's correct. Rain of Fire is also set in 2020. Brent Seabrook's contract will last be on dragons taking over the planet and eating a saw. There wasn't enough future shit in that movie

outside of McConaughey's hair. Right. Like dragons can take over any point, I guess. You gotta bring the beast down if you want to kill it. They gotta remake it with Brent C. Rook, the shaved head. Did they'll have a British accent in that movie, right? I think so, yeah. Yeah, because he's like guarding the castle.

Yeah. Because he's British and that's what British people do in times of work. These dragons won't stop. These dragons showed you just how good England is. Right. What makes you so special? What makes you a dragon slayer? I'm not wearing an occupant.

I'm not wearing fake scales and blowing fire with a match and some hairspray Weirdo All right, you're, so you're two and one so far I want you to get seven of these All right, number four Does Brent, is Brent Seabrook's contract? Does Brent Seabrook like long contracts?

I know, I really like to be on a long contract I like to get $7 million for being a six defenseman It's a nice of stand to give me a protection, you know, and uh children of men children of men takes place before the contract that is incorrect it takes that that place after children of men takes place in 2027 oh so brent seabrook's brand seabrook needs to start fathering children now because at some point right there won't be any semen stops working like how does it's it what's a plot of that movie i hate that women women women can't conceive i think is the thing of that movie it's more about the women than it is oh oh it's the women's fault you know of course

right it can't be the dicks that don't work in the future no None at all. No problems with this plumbing. One of my favorite movies of all time, a classic from when we were, I believe, probably just teenagers. Oh, the rescue is down under? Ray Leota's Island Prison movie, No Escape. No Escape! Oh, my God. Is Brent Seabrook's contract still going during the timeline of No Escape? Brent Seabrook's contract is done before no escape.

No Escape takes place in 2022. Ah, damn it. Brent Seabrook's last two more years left on his deal. Ray Leota fights that bad guy from the 90s that was in every movie with the piercing's stuff. That guy. Wow, two and three. This is fantastic. How come we don't have prison islands and prison space stations in prison, uh, like, why don't we have the prison from face off yet?

That's your magnetic, the magnetic floors. That's your three of the Trump administration. Give him, give him some time. I'll figure out a way to imprison more people. Dear Patreon, um, politics has infused the podcast yet again. All right. Number six. You still got time that I could come back here. Keanu Reeves' Johnny Nemonic. Johnny Neumonic takes place before his contract's over.

That is correct. It is set in 2021. I don't think I've ever seen that movie, but he's like a computer or something. I'm a computer. I have a floppy disc. Now I want to see Keanu Reeves' Batman.

You know, you don't know how these people are. My Countner is in that sweet spot between my Jim Rome and my Batman. There's a little Cindy Crosby in there, too. Old Miss definitely needs the services of Tom Brady. I'm a computer. I'm a computer.

It's all the same thing. It's all different notes on the same scale. Number seven. Tom Cruise classic, Edge of Tomorrow. When the aliens invade, is Brent Seabrox contract still happening? No, his contract is dunzo by the time the aliens invade on Edge of Tomorrow.

According to Wikipedia, Edge of Tomorrow is set in the year 2020. Oh, my God. This could be wrong, but Wikipedia is wrong. Do you realize that Edge of Tomorrow is actually what Stan Bowman is experiencing now, every single day he wakes up and still has Brent Seabrook on his cap. So he's Tom Cruise. Who's, who's Emily Blunt in that movie?

Emily Blunt is definitely. Oh, Tom Cruise is, he's like the non-soldry guy. So he's like, maybe he's Dale Tallinn. Like he's not really part of the battle. No, he's, he's Stan Bowman and Emily Blunt is Jonathan Taves. And she's like, he got to get that money off the cap so he can get me another winger. It's looking to figure out how in the future, when aliens take over and we're at war constantly, like, Emily Blunt still finds a way to look like a million bucks in the morning every day. Well, she has highlights in her hair.

Well, you don't, I mean, listen, before she became a soldier, she was an executive assistant at runway. So she really got a good idea of what fashions to wear and how to do her makeup. Is Brent Seabrook's contract still going during the timeline of Pacific Rim? Cancel the apocalypse? and cancel Brent Cibrook's contract because Pacific Rim takes place after the contract is done. Maybe these are all wrong, but 2020.

It's another 2020 movie. If you go on Google, Google movies that take place in 2020. There's all these movies that take place in 2020. Pacific Rim. Two more. I thought you would dominate it this. Movies and hockey, it was...

I guess I have no concept of when movies take place. They're just like... I also don't know why... Like, I should have known that like most movies are going to be like the 2020s and they're not going to be like in 20s.

75 because like they don't fucking know. Like they got to make the world look like something that we can understand. That could be possibly close enough to where that building might still exist. Yeah, not in 2075 where like, you know, those flying cars and our minds are all uploaded to the cloud. And, you know, President Gleep Glorp is, you know, still trying to figure out a way to cut taxes. There we go. Terminator 2. Judgment Day.

Right. Not the, not the part in the past. Not the part in the past, but the future... Any Terminator movie applies here. John Connor... In the future. John Connor in the future. Okay, so we just had Sky...

Skynet did. All the Terminator movies all take place in that same one year in the future before they come back. I'm going to say that Seabrook's contract is done before the future scenes. That's correct. Right. Because John Connor is like 12 or whatever. And then like... Using deductive reasoning.

And Skynet becomes sentient in like 2012 or something around those parts. So in the flash forward scenes, he's in his like 30s or 40s. So that would use my deductive reason. There you go. A real encyclopedia Brown over here. The very last movie. Yeah. Blade Runner, the original.

Not 2049. Not 2049 or Ryan Gosling. 49. The original Blade Runner takes place. Seabrook's contract is still in effect. during the Blade Runner. That is correct. Thank you.

2019, the Rucker Hauer-Harrison Ford original. And by the way, how many- That's actually how Japan will look in 2019, by the way. I know that's Los Angeles, but that's what- How many Avatar sequels do you think are scheduled to come out before Brent C-V? That was original. Right, four. No, it's three.

The fourth one comes out later in the year after the contract expired. So the first three are all out before 2024. So that means we'll have seen the water navi, the air navi, the ground navi. What's the other element that he'll do? I don't remember that movie at all. Sigourney Weaver, did she die in that movie? She was going to be back? I don't even know.

Let's, okay, let's name all the things we remember from Avatar. Okay. I remember, uh, Sean Avery was in a wheelchair before he became an avatar. Paralyzed, right? Right. Um, Zoe Saldana was again, an alien. Right. She's, she's been blue and green.

Right. Yeah, I remember they rode giant dragonflies of some sort, maybe. Or maybe I'm thinking of sectars when I was a kid. When they, when they, when they have sex, it's kind of like demolition manner, where they attach things to their heads, right? And they're just like float away. There was a tree that was alive. And it was really stuck.

Oh, the tree. And then they fucking blew up the tree in the best scene in the movie. There's like some like 65-year-old. Like it may be so conflicted. As a man who loves the environment, the best scene in the movie with by far. Has a man who loves the environment. Right. As a man of the woods.

That's a man of the woods. When they blew the fuck out of that tree with those, with those planes, those helip planes, they just like kept shooting missiles and blowing up the tree. That was, like, the best part of the movie. And I'm like, this goes against everything I believe as a tree-hugging snowflake. There's a 65-year-old jacked dude. It was, like, white hair. He was, like, the military guy.

Yeah. That guy is every gym teacher I had in high school, I think. Just, like, really, really overly jacked but old. He's like, he's on that three-week Elaine Musie plan to get Wolverine before all of his movies. I remember Giovanni Ribisi was playing Paul Riser in the movie. Oh, right. Giovanni Ribisi's in it. Oh, they were all, they were after unobtainium.

That was the thing they were after. Not vibranium in Wakanda. That was the name of the thing, unobtainium. That's what they named it. By the way, helipplane is pretty fucking lazy, too. It's like a helicopter. That's my description of it. I don't know if that's the actual name.

I don't know when you went to Toys R Us to get the avatar figures if it said, Hellaplane with Jim Teacher. I was picturing Gwen Stefani saying it. Yeah. I'm feeling hellaplanes. Just keep on flying There it is I need an Italian

So I'm just gonna keep on digging Go to blow up a tree With my flying missiles Oh God Brent Seabrox contract is so long Well that was a good quiz Man I appreciate it

I think you went four and four and six Yeah You know we didn't do a question of the week So if you can Oh right Fire up three mailbags In the Patreon three questions from the mailbag we'll do that on the show.

But before we get to that, we do need to talk about NHL trade deadline is Monday, or is to wherever it is. I think it's Monday, right? So then we need to talk about that. We'll do a show, of course, afterwards that will be a complete review

of everything that happens. I'm sure by the time you listen to those trades will have happened. Yeah. Anybody, Nash goes, Grabner goes. Dundna does it. Do you think of Ander King goes?

Do you think they find a suit, somewhere to take? Yeah. He's, is he of one year left or is his contract? No, no, no, no, he's a UFA. Yeah, for sure. He's definitely going to get a trade. I feel like it's one of these things where I'm sure it's probably already happened as we do the show because this is usually how it works.

Like one trade happens and then the dominoes will fall. Do you think Patchy Ready goes? I feel like he has to. Now, though, or later? Because I really feel like, I feel like you do it later, yeah, because I don't, again, I don't know how people still trust Mark Persiavant to do stuff. Like, he's traded Suban for Weber. he's traded Sergachev for

Drew N. Who would you rather have at this point? Like, you'd rather have the two guys he traded. Now are you going to have him trade

your best goal score in the last 10 years? It's wackadoo. Let it go into the summer. Speaking of the summer, we might as well talk about Eric Carlson now. I think we're going to do an ad

for like Summer's Eve or something. I don't know what was going to happen there. You're like, speaking of summer, don't you love ice tea? It's pretty remarkable

that he's, I mean, he's going to be traded. like Travis Yost wrote a great post last land on his Tumblr about how pizza with no cheese or sauce is the best pizza You just wet some bread, it's delicious

Yeah, but you have to wipe down the moisture with a towel to really get it dry Now he wrote a post that was I thought one of the better things I've read about Carlson I mean and Yost has a lot of sort of inside information when it comes to that franchise too About how it's an inevitability now Like the first instance that we, the inkling that we got this was going to happen was sort of the, you know, weirdness of, you know, he's on the block and then the cost cutting stuff.

And I think he's going to be traded without question. I think it's either going to happen now at the deadline or in the summer. And to me, the only question is whether or not they include the Bobby Ryan contract, which was the intrigue that was introduced this week, someone saying that, you know, teams are pitching the senators on Carlson deals and maybe the senators are coming back and being like, hey, I know you can fit $6.5 million under your cap at the deadline, but what if we made it like $14 or $15 million with this Bobby Ryan contract, which they have to get off the books? Do they really have to, though? They've already saved a bunch of money on the FNuff trade. He signed through. They're going to save money on Carlson's trade. And he's bad. And you and listen. Nobody wants that contract. Nobody wants that contract. But nobody wants that contract. But it's the, it's the, it's. the only way you're going to get it off the books without trading it like futures. Like you might as well hitch it to Carlson because Carlson's got the most value value of anything on your roster. I like the idea. I think ultimately it might limit the places you can

send him. And I think ultimately it could impact the return, but you're going to save money and get that money off your cap. You know what I don't get. What? Why are the Islanders trading John Tavaris? I don't get it. Because he's going to resign. That's why you trade him. Oh, oh, to get, because they want to make the playoffs. Why? Why do you want to squeeze in and get thumped by the penguins or the lightning? Why do you want to do that? Because first of all, if you're in it, you can win it.

And second of all, you can't. That's a, sure, you can't. And second of all, you're not going to win to give me 50 shots a night. You're not. Like, don't you want money to pay John Tavris when he does resign? Like, playoff revenue is a big fucking deal for that franchise. If that's where your franchise is at that you can't afford John Tavares unless you lose three playoff games at home.

That's where every franchise is at outside of the Leafs and the Rangers and then Babs. Come on. You think playoff revenue doesn't matter to the devils? You think if they don't make the playoffs, they can't afford John Tovar's. No, I'm not saying. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that making the playoffs fills your coffers with a lot more dough than you'd have otherwise. If you trade him and get a bunch of assets that you can use that will be cheap in the future, and then you can get Tavares back after the off season, you can double dip.

But he has to agree to do that. Yeah, but I mean, if he's not coming back and you get nothing for him. But you're asking him to do something that no other play. of that level has ever done. Matt Sundin wouldn't do that for the Leafs. Whenever we see it done, it's like, oh, we've traded Lee Stemptiac,

but wink, wink, Lee might be coming back here to Carolina before you know it. Guys, come back. Yeah, but never a Tavaris or a player of that level, I'm saying. But they've never tried it. Well, that's because the players don't want to do it. The point of being famous and great

at your job is you don't have to fucking do that. What? Oh. Yeah, sex and sex. Oh. You don't have to do it. do that. You've earned the right to not be a guy who's like, hey, listen,

we know you love this team. We're going to trade you to... So it's a business until the guy loves the team and he's famous. You have to say goodbye to your wife or whatever, girlfriend, who I forgot what she has... Whatever you're into. And you're going to go fuck off to St. Louis for three months. But you'll be back here soon.

Like, who wants to do that? A guy who wants to win at Stanley Cup? A guy that doesn't... Think about the psychology of that. A guy who wants to win the Stanley Cup, but who cares what he knows. Trade him. He can't, he can't veto. What does it mean to win a Stanley Cup? Like, Tavares wants to win a Cup as an Islander. That's the whole reason you resign. He doesn't want to win a Cup of the Blues.

But he's not going to win the Cup of the Blue. He's not going to the Cup this year. I think you're assigning your own mercenary freelance mentality. No. To the professional athlete who simply wants to do well by his family, by his teammate. How did that work out for Shane Don? Don't. Shane Don wanted to win in Arizona. How did that work out? Then, like, the last year he was there, he was like, please trade me to Pittsburgh. and they were like, it's too late, buddy.

I was saying this on biscuits. There's this weird sort of thing with the Islanders fans where they all agree Gart Snow sucks. They're like, Gart Snow, it's Billboard. Get rid of Gart Snow. Gart Snow's dumb and bad. And then there's another part of Islanders fans that say, can't trade John Tavares. We need John Tavares.

You know who else thinks that they can't trade Jontavar's? Is the same GM you want fired who's not going to trade him? Why do those circles not rest on top of each other more? I get it. I think you're asking the impossible, though, because I don't think Tavares wants to do it. Tough shit. What do you need tough shit? Does he have a no trade?

I don't think he hasn't. What if he, like, walks into the office and he's like, don't trade me because I won't resign here. Well, then you, that's his attitude. Then you have to trade him because then you can get, you can get a bounty for John Tavares. That will be so good for your franchise for years to come if you trade him. And maybe he comes back. If he doesn't. Maybe he comes back.

But you're saying don't make the playoffs. The Rangers, Rangers figured it out. Rangers realized where they were. There's no Matt Barzell on the Rangers roster, though. Matt Barzell's not going anywhere. Yeah, that's what I mean. You got Matt Barzal for seven years. You've got now a secondary piece to Tavares.

You're going to be a good team. In Garth, I trust. Oh. How about this? Sounds gross when you say. How about this? Yes. I know a team that has a ton of cap space.

Mm-hmm. A team that definitely has pieces up front. Yes. But would like to have a piece in the back. Is it a team? where no-goaltender state percentage is above 9-12 for the season? I know a team that has pieces to trade and has, as I said, cap space. Also, it's based in the same state as Cherry Hill, New Jersey.

Okay. Eric Carlson and Bobby Ryan to the Devils. For Severson, a one. A-one. Okay. And... I mean, you got to remember you're taking the Bobby Ryan money off the cap. So you're not going to get the same level of bounty.

for this. But Severson a one. What do you think, brat? No, keep going. What, do you think there's more? That's it. That's it. Severson.

Severson, Brat. A middle round. A middle of the first round pick. A first and a second. I'm saying that money-wise and personnel-wise, the devils could be a fit if they wanted to dabble

and Eric Carlson, which I think Ray would do. You could just wait a year and then just sign them and not give up anything and don't take the Bobby Ryan contract with it. Yeah, he also run the risk of him leaving.

You'd have to know he's going to sign. That's the whole thing about this Carlson thing, too. Like, how many teams are really going to ante up knowing that he's not going to return to Ottawa? Also, like, I understand he's still really good. Every time I put on an Ottawa game, like, he's getting toasted. He's getting beat in the neutral zone. He's, you know, a turnover in the Preds game that was just horrendous that led to a goal.

Yeah. He hasn't been this. I mean, again, remember, he's missing part of his foot. Right. But he's also taken L's left and right, and he doesn't give a shit right now. Yeah, I know. That's like tuning. in to see fucking do shame last year.

I'm not saying, I wouldn't want him on my team. It's just, he's not Eric Carlson of two years ago right now. So if you trade for him this year, you might not be getting that Eric Carlson until next year anyway, so maybe you do something at the draft. But you do get the Bobby Ryan of this year, which is, I mean. Devils have Sammy Vatten and Damon Severson

and who's the right-handed guy? They have John Moore. Do they have... But what's Butcher? Well, Butcher's lefty. Lefty. Oh, Ben Lovejoy. Yeah. Can you pop, Ben? Since the thing is like, if you have Eric Carlson, you do have to pop out Severson or like there has to be a way to keep Severson.

Severson's perfect because he's signed for like four four years after this for a decent kit at these. I mean, he's like the kind of player Otto was going to want to acquire in a deal like this. I'm sorry, I'm playing matchmaker. I think Eric Carlson's a devil like next week. I think we're going back to Kovilchuk. Like Kovych back to Jersey, I think makes so much sense. They were like, give him a three year deal. Give him like a Radial off for a deal maybe and then see what happens after that. But, oh, I guess we should probably talk about this real quick before we got the mailback stuff. The

hang on, the Taylor Hall thing that wanted to talk about. What's the Taylor Hall? Taylor Hall, you know, when, when the,

when the, when the, when the comet is heading towards Earth and hurling towards Earth and we were about to all meet our demise. Haley's comment was going to be a Brent Seabrook quiz thing.

It's way off. A man will stand before people in Edmonton and it will be like, ladies and gentlemen, our society will come to an end in a matter of hours. You're doing Morgan Freeman Deep Impact President.

in it right now. Ladies and gentlemen, all society will come to an end in a matter of hours. A comet is hurtling towards Earth. It will destroy the Earth, causing massive tidal waves and all sorts of calamities. I have a question. I'm not a Dalyoni. In the time we have left,

please spend it with your families. Please make sure that you hog your loved ones tight. But also, it's time to relitigate the Taylor Hall Trade, the Evanton O'Ellas. Again. Adam Lawson again. Again. first question

right here Taya Leone Washington Telegraph Taya Leone Bad Boys in a league of their own Why can't you people just move the fuck on From this tree that last year you thought wasn't a problem Anymore

It's an excellent question Taya You were amazing on that show The Naked Truth was it? Oh on NBC right That was back when Friends in Seinfeld you put anything on TV between it and people would watch it. This is what Taylor Hall recently said about him listening to his oil as coaches during his time in Edmonton. That John Hines has probably given me the most accountability that any coach,

than any coach I had in Edmonton. I really think that that's been good for me personally. Just in Edmonton, I really didn't want to talk to the coaches. I crawled through seven miles of shit to get to New Jersey. I did not want to have a dialogue with the coaches. To be fair, that's how everybody gets the jersey. I just wanted to play. And a lot of guys are like that.

So this became an Edmonton Journal story in which Taylor Hall was pilloried for not listening to the Edmonton coaches. I can kind of get that angle, but guess what? Now he does. Like, who cares? Like, this is insane. This is, this is, I'm going to say it now. And apologies to the Patreon subscriber who will delete the fucking podcast because I'm bringing up politics again. What's the deal of politics?

Hall is now Hillary Clinton. Like, Taylor Hall is literally like the butt her emails of hockey. It's like, wait, give a shit about your team. Do you, what do you think that the digital ink spill in the Emerson Journal on the Milan Luchich contract versus anything Taylor Hall said tangentially related to Edmonton is? You know, like, get over it, man. I remember I wrote in November, like, early on that like the others were screwed. Like, it was obvious then.

And I remember, like, it got tweeted around a lot. And like, Edmonton media people were like, it's a little too early. to start saying. And like, okay, maybe I can see that. But now it's February. Yeah. The writing's on the wall. And still, the Edmonton media, it's much like NBC.

They circle the wagons. They never really criticize anything that's going on there because they want to stay in the good graces and it's just easier to criticize a guy in Jersey. That's so weird. All right. Let's do three little mailbaggers before we get out of here. Yeah, let's do this. Wait, hold on.

I got another thing from the weed place in Vegas that I bought weed from. Oh, nice. Oh, yeah. Did you see that tweet I sent out yesterday? No, did not. This is from Essence in Vegas. it's down this strip a little bit. I forget what a casino it's across from.

But you can win two box seats to the Golden Knights Kings game on February 27th. And the way you earn raffle tickets is you have to buy a hundred bucks worth of drugs. And for every hundred bucks you buy, you get entered into a raffle to win Vegas, L.A. tickets. I fucking love hockey in Vegas. It's so great. It's so awesome. All right.

Three questions here. I took a little screenshot. So I don't have to go back and scroll through and find them again. Carter Huell. Carter Howell, he wants to know which of the following is most likely to happen in the next two NHL seasons. Bigger Nets, top free agents coordinate and form a super team, or a 60-goal scorer. Okay. It's a 60-goal scorer.

I think it's going to be a 60-goal score. The other two or two awesome. No, bigger-bigger nets don't need to happen because scoring's up. I mean, scoring is up real big, the season for whatever reason. Because you're not letting people hook and slash this. Might be that. might be the expansion thing, might be a lot of things. Those are the two things.

So I don't think that's... The best thing, the best news for goalies this year is that they aren't good. Because then people stop saying crazy shit like, we should make the nets bigger. Flah, fler. I think the nets behind Scott Darling should be smaller. They should be the mini-nets from the All-Star game. They should, yeah, he should get in front of those like Henrik City and Saucer Pass Nets. He's slinging up three and somehow...

So it won't be bigger nets. I say 60 goal, but honestly, it would not shock me. do we count if it's like if the lightning found a way to get tveris and eric carlson on their team would that count that's a super yeah i mean in relation to hockey that's a that's a super team i'm gonna go super team they would have to get rid of ryan callahan somehow that ryan callahan contract one year contracts for one last year of contract a contract for carlson one year contract to veras tveris stamcoast up the gut Carlson Headman on the defense. I don't know why a baseball team hasn't done that this offseason.

Jeff Vennick, if you're listening. Do it. You're just like, by the way, we're talking about how often I reference friends. You've referenced Jeff Vinnick like on five straight podcasts. Like he won you over during the All-Stra game. I've never met the man. I'm hoping to meet him at Sloane this weekend, by the way. Sloan Peterson?

Ferrisson. Ferrisson. Ferris's girlfriend? Sloan Peterson, Chicago PD. Rudy? You're an asshole. Pardon my French. but you're an asshole

asshole yeah so if you're at the Sloan analytics things we can say hi it's in Boston right yeah it is Rich Cook Fuck Mary Kill These are TV shows by the way Not just people Because he didn't really phrase it that way

Doctors who fuck Respectable doctors Or gimmickry gimmicky Thank you everybody who responded to the doctor Spectrum last week People did believe though that I was incorrect to say that House was weird medicine

and that House is actually gimmickory doctor. Yeah, he's a total gimmick doctor. Yeah, I said that he was the midpoint between respectable doctors and gimmick doctors. Yeah, yeah. He's in between it, but he's closer to the gimmick. You fuck gimmickory doctors, because it'll always be interesting.

You marry respectable doctors, and you kill doctors who fuck. That is correct. Yeah, doctors who fuck. Right. By the way, Gray's Anatomy is on like season 15. I don't understand. They fuck.

We're in this weird world where like everything is a reboot or a remake or it's just like one show. Right, right. What are you doing tonight? Well, I'm going to watch Big Brother and then I'm going to watch Gray's Anatomy. Where is it? I don't know. Well, let's see what's on tonight. Let's see.

Reboot of Night Rider, reboot of different strokes. Is Will & Grayson? The 400th season of Gunsmoke. I don't know how that happened. Oh, God, I hate everything. And the last one we'll do is a classic that we all love on the podcast. We all love on the bonus content. Does Sidney Crosby like the draft lottery?

I know it's kind of takes your future out of your hands, you know, like you, you don't know where you're going to end up. That said, you know, I like it. Saved me from playing for Brian Burke, which I think is something that as career goals goal is one, to not. play for him so uh yeah would have never met mario or not for the draft lottery so yeah i love it yeah but does sydney crossby like draft lotteries or rig the draft lotteries well you know if uh they were going to rig a lottery you know i kind of feel like maybe like my stall would be next to conners at this point you know like connor would be next to me and we would be like friends and such and you know i think it's pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty fucking

obvious they don't rig lotteries. Whoa, Sid would never say the F word. Come on. Come on. It's pretty flipping obvious. There you go. Well, that's our show. All right, if you want more mailbag, you've got to go to the Patreon.

We're going to do the rest of it there. It's patreon.com slash PuckSoup. Also, the listener's choice episode will be dropping on Patreon this week. Big week on the Patreon. And then obviously, as we inch closer to 1,400 subscribers, that will unlock the MVP, the most valuable primate commentary track achievement. I'm Greg Wyshinsky of ESPN. You can read my stuff on ESPN.

You can follow me at Wosinski on Twitter. And yeah, I'll see you at Sloan this weekend. And also, Emily Kaplan and I will be doing live trade deadline coverage from Bristol on Monday. So that'll be a super fun time. Video stuff, live podcast, all that jazz, lots of Facebook live stuff, lots of video stuff. A lot of jazz. What are you doing? I'm doing a thing for all 31 teams for the trade.

deadline and it's basically going to be why the trade deadline isn't going to help your team at all. So it's like 100 words per team where I just basically rip your team. You should not have any hope about the trade deadline. When Rick Nash, Rick Nash, who hasn't topped 39 points in three years and fails in the playoffs consistently is the most sought after guy at the deadline. It's time we got honest and discussed that the trade deadline sucks. It's now the worst trade deadline behind the NFL. We have the worst. Our sport, please hate my sport. Please hate my sport. where Mike Green, who hasn't played in three games, is the best defenseman available. Also, shout out to the Vancouver Canucks

for that good Branson contract. Oh yeah, we never got to that. Really doubling down on a terrible move. Good job. Wait. Damn, I totally forgot about that.

What? I just wanted to read the Jim Benning quote real quick. I want this entered into the log. All right, we're going to enter it into the log. This is very important. It's the best. The log is open.

We are ready to enter it into the log. Who had? Was it Botchford? No. I always forget if it's, I always forget if it's Halford or Brough that tweets things because they're the same person to me. It's rough. I think it was Brough quote tweeted the thing.

And it was just, it's the most incredible, incredible quote I've ever seen. Yeah. There it is. It's so incredible that it's something you have to find. This is what Jim Benning said about why he likes Erica Branson. His length. That's the first two words of the quote. His length, period.

He's 6 foot 5 His reach He uses a long stick He can get under players' skin Yeah So he's a tall asshole I'm a tall asshole Give me 12 million bucks over three years

We saw char in here the other night That's Zedano Chara Yeah Zanotara Future Hall of Fame Or top 100 player of all time One of maybe the five best defense We never play the game I'm not saying Eric is that kind of player

Okay Because I thought You know I get them confused but I saw Charra play a lot of years and he was hard to play against because of his length and ability to use his stick knock pucks away

and intercept passes and play against good players defensively see you're losing the argument here because he's not good because he has a long stick he's good because he's good so that's the kind of vein we see Eric as a shutdown player so it starts off with I'm not saying Eric is that kind of player comma

awesome stuff about Charra and then it ends with that's the kind of vein we see Eric as and by vain he means. means a weather vein that just spins around in one place and has a giant cock on top of it. Not Hugh Jackman's veins. Right.

The worms. Callback. Good move. All right. Elaine Musi was awesome and check out Kickboxer and we will see you guys next week for the Big Trident Line wrap up. Bye. See you. Bye, baby, bo.

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