Puck Soup - Gary Bet, Man

Episode Date: November 2, 2018

Greg and Dave talk about the NHL's new gambling deal with MGM and its problems. Plus, Jonathan Quick and Auston Matthews are hurt; some troubling stories about Slava Voynov and Evander Kane; puzzling sequels to "Bad Boys" and "Gladiator"; reviewing Connor McDavid's new commercial; the season's biggest surprises; and the ultimate TV quiz.

Sticks and hits and goals and saves and slapshots and goons. We've got sportly commentary to what if you commute. We also cover movies, TV shows, it's in tunes. It's your weekly bowl of hockey and nonsense. Puckoo. I'm Greg Wysinski of ESPN. I'm Dave Lozo from the same exact company. You're in Puckoo.

We were back here in the... studios of South Street Seaport were ESPNs. Some of their programs are located. There was a mishap earlier where I couldn't get up the elevator because of all of the security changes here, which coincidentally happened

once you started working here. So what is that about? Started working here three months ago. Greg, this was a week old thing, just so you know. Okay. But I'm sure the plans were in motion when you first started working here.

You've been working here longer than I have, so I think maybe this was all a plan. I had never... You started coming here. You never been to this office. until you came here. Right. Right.

And it wasn't until you started coming here that we had new security rules. So you tell me, Greg, what are you doing in the elevators? Interesting. Mostly masturbating. Yeah. But also riding them.

Jonathan Quick is injured again, Dave Lozo. The segways are so good. And I wanted to ask you as one of, what I believe is the hockey media's most prominent Jonathan Quick critic. We had Linda Conan here in 2016.

and Linda said Jonathan Quick is the best goalie in the National Hockey League. And then he lost, I believe, to team Europe. You disagreed vehemently. Yeah, yeah, it's just me. I'm the only one who's aware of this. Okay, there's two issues here with Jonathan Quick being hurt. The first is I was like, oh, they're fucked

until I looked at the stats and I'm like, oh, this is actually going to work out. He's really replaceable. What's he at? He's at 845 this year? Do you ascribe to the... I kept on saying a scribe this week. Is that the word I'm looking for?

Subscribe? What's a scribe? What's what you do for a living? What's what I do for a living? Writing? Like, a scribe? Uh, ascribe is... Attribute something to.

I was fucking right. Uh-huh. Do you ascribe the... No, let me... I was right the other time. Do you subscribe to the idea... Words for a living. That teams play better when they're...

because they're more, even though Jonathan Quick doesn't have, like, exponentially better numbers than replacement goalie X. Oh, like, they have more freedom to kind of do stuff. Yeah, they're more confident because he's back there. Like, I always kind of felt that was a situation with starting goalies. It's like, yeah, you know, the numbers of the backup or whatever while the person's out are fine. But, like, having your guy back there, especially a guy, like, Quick, that they won with, like, you feel a little bit more wind in your sales, which was what happened last year when they, he won the job. Dennings. He was healthy the whole year and Kopitar scores a billion points, but now he's hurt. So you subscribe to that theory.

If they really didn't score any goals last year, that was kind of the problem. They weren't really like freelance and they weren't really pushing the pace. Jeff Carter was hurt, though. I mean, it is also sort of another, you know, caveat to that. Jeff Carter has always hurt. I believe you looked up a stat today about Jonathan Quick versus other goalies when they're in the net and what the same percentages are. I believe it was pretty tight. It was pretty tight.

Jonathan Quick Also the money he makes too Actually his cap it isn't so bad No his cap it isn't bad But he signed for fucking ever Is the issue Best goal in the league for the next 10 years I can't

I can't find it now It was like 916 for quick And like 914 for all the other goals Yeah and all the other goalies Including Jack Campbell and Peter Bada The other it is okay so 918 for quick 916 for all other goalies points percentage, as far as wins and losses, 573 for Quick, 566 for everybody else,

including fucking Jonas Enroth and Jeff Zatkoff. So you're telling me like all these goalies who are everyone agrees nowhere near as good as Jonathan Quick, play for the Kings and are only like two percentage points worse than Quick. But it comes back to psychology, you see. Because the team tries harder. What else is the eye test tell you? When they're... What else do you see?

Seeing what your gut, Greg. According to Justin Bourne, the eye test says that the San Jose Sharks are a bad team, and they're not going to do anything this year. Interesting. That's what he said. I was smoking hot take this week was the sharks are the team that everybody thinks is good, but isn't. I love the new Boren Hot Takes. The Bore Hot Takes are interesting.

You know, he's often been spicy in the I-Test area, even for a team like the Sharks, which basically, you know, are dominating possession of the clip of like 70% in some games. But they're not good, though. But yeah, but you could tell there's just something not good there. Look, we'll get into good, not good, I think, next week. But we'll also... That's when we'll know. We'll know for...

Well, American Thanksgiving is usually the time. If you're not in a playoff spot, then you're not making the playoffs. Yeah, but that's... I feel like we can delve into some stuff by then. We can, you know, like, the Red Wings, we can probably say they're bad by then. I don't know if it's... I don't know if it's, like, recency nostalgia or whatever from having spent so much time covering these series. But, like, much like I lament the loss of the Blackhawks as a contender,

I lament the fact that Kings suck this year. Like, I just feel like life is more interesting when they're good. Life is more interesting when they play the ducks and they're good. When they play the Golden Knights and they're good. Kings Ducks are, you know, people who are like, give me seven games. I never want seven games at King's Ducks. Why? It's the only old-time hockey series left in the NHL.

Why do you want to watch old-time hockey? Have you seen the new hockey, Greg? It's fast, it's exciting. It's electric. It's not just plotting, dumping, dumping, chasing, hitting, for church. It's terrible. every king that's the thing about the kings even when they were good they would play a really good team and just you know slow it down muck and grind it's terrible hockey crack i also feel like it's not

as exciting when cori perry's hurt and ryan kessler's now whatever he is like i feel like it was better when those two guys are more relevant and then also you had dustin brown and drew daddy doing dirty things on the other side even the year the kings won the cup the second time they played all those seven game series they played a seven game or against the ducks that year i think and it wasn't you know Don't you feel bad for Alia Kovulchuk, though, having come back to the NHL, pick the Kings as the team he felt he had the best chance to win the cup with, and now he's on a team that's last in the NHL and also Jonathan Quick has hurt? No.

Not in the least. You went where he wanted to go? He's making good money. Good for him. Are you at all concerned about the health and instability of Austin Matthews going forward? Yeah, another shoulder thing. this is why I didn't want to pick him to win the R. Ross is why I was on the John Tavares train, although I should have been on the Miko Rattan train, apparently. Well, let it be known that I still feel okay saying that he was going to break 60 goals because I said as long as he's healthy.

So, I mean, yeah, granted, his production had slowed and whatever, but he's clearly got an injury. So now, I mean, all bets are off on that 60 goals thing. So when you went back to the casino with your betting slip and you were like, yeah, I bet $100 on Austin Matthews to score. 60 goals. Yeah. But clearly I meant if he was healthy. So I'd like my money back. Please hide that go.

It's funny. I was looking through the article that we wrote at the beginning of the year, the over unders reached teams point total, kind of what we did on the show. Teams, yeah. Yeah, teams. And I went back and looking through it and I'm like, you know what? A month into the season, if I had laid 20 bucks on every one of these fucking predictions, I'd be doing pretty good for myself right now.

I'd be doing pretty good. Like over for the senators we said and over for the hurricanes we said. Like, there's a few that aren't going all that well. Kings being one of them. Florida's not doing too well. Fuck. I don't know what the fuck's going on there. I mean, Luongo's been hurt.

Yeah. But they have James Reimer just for this. Yeah, James Reimer has been bad. And this is what's happening. He's been really bad. And they, like, signed him to be the guy that's like, oh, like, Loongo's fucking old. Like, when he gets hurt, we need some other guy. Let's bring Howdy-Duty in and see if he can fix things.

And fucking, fucking Reimer shits the bed. Yeah, but Reimer really wasn't great before he got the Florida. Like, you know what I mean? He was, he was like one of those goalies that could be anything at any time. He is the guy who is on, like, mediocre to average Leafs teams. And then he's good. Like, he's better than you'd expect them to be on shitty teams. And so then everybody.

That's all the time we have for today. And then everybody says, like, he's better than he actually is. Like, that happens. Goleys go one way or the other. It's like either you're someone like John Gibson who's legitimately great and propping up a really shitty team. or you're a shitty team with a goalie who's maybe a little bit better than you expect. It's the classic, remember, remember like you're sort of like Gie A. Bear type guy. Sure.

You know, like a fucking guy who's like, the only reason you remember him because he wasn't abjectly terrible on bad teams. And he had the full cage. That's pretty much what it is for me. You know, one might say Chris Ozgood. No, I'm kidding, of course. No, whatever shit, Chris Osgood. Yeah. Wait, what were we talking about?

I don't remember. Oh, we were talking about how Florida. shit in the bed. Oh yeah. Well, that was your team. That was the hot, great. Well, then again, this was like last year, too. They started slow and they built it up. So maybe they're, again, again, Greg, it's too soon to get worried, too soon they get excited.

If you're a Predators fan, like, yeah, Predators are good, you know, they're going to be good. But now the Panthers, we kind of thought they'd be good. Everyone has a bad 10 games. Don't worry. I'm just saying that it's a good thing I didn't lay money on the Panthers, but you know what? Starting next season, you're going to be able to

lay money in a lot more places. So legalized sports gambling is coming to Pennsylvania very soon. It's going to be spreading throughout the country. And because of that, the National Hockey League has decided to partner officially. Yeah, what does that do? With MGM. You seem a little confused by their partnership with MGM. What does it do for the NHL?

They're just going to give him some data. This is about data, big data, Greg. This is exactly about data, whether he has human emotions or can handle them. Oh, no, no, you didn't mean the Android from Next Generation to do. Oh, no, no, no, no. I think you're going to do a joke about the goonies and the boxing glove coming out of the... No, not that data. Data, my friend.

Yes. I see everything. Logan. By then, I've seen it all. I see we stop giving some pie. We're being chased by menachers. They're a nice family, though. It helps with our truck.

They have mashed potatoes. Let's go eat their mashed potatoes. It's to save the horses. So, no, so it is about data. It's about how MGM is going to be able to use the player tracking shit to either inform the wagering more or to create new bets. And that's like a prop bet territory. You know, and so like maybe it's a situation that once we get this player tracking going next season,

you'd be able to bet on like the fastest shots Zadano Chara has in a game or something like that. Like those are the kinds of prop bets that potentially could happen. Not saying Zadano Chara, probably his last season. But I'm saying, like, those are the types of prop bets that player tracking could open up for the NHL. I don't know what the market is for that shit. Yeah, I can't see myself. What's the fastest Connor McDavid will skate this game? I mean, you really give you shit.

But like... Like, overrunners for, like, football players. Like, well, somebody rush for 57 yards. That's a tangible thing. I'm not going to guess how fast the guy is going to run the game. But I guess that's what the thing is, is that, like, when you have a sport like basketball or you have a sport like football, there's just more shit to bet on. Yeah. Right?

So, like, I think the NHL's contention is that the more shit that we can create to bet on, maybe there'll be more people that want to bet on it. Who's to say? It's just so weird. I remember there was a guy a few years back who just didn't want anyone gambling on hockey. You've got a guy. I just can't remember who his name was. I think that betting on hockey is not relative to the family-friendly atmosphere we're going for at these games. And now they're giving away proprietary information about the players so people can bet more on it.

That was the funniest thing. Revell our game. Our good friend and co-worker, Darren Ravelle, who was on ESPN on ICE this week, by the way. Asked Betman, he's like, what happened, man? You said you didn't want sports gambling in hockey. Yeah, it was like shifting this and changing that. And Batman's like, I'll tell you what happened. The Supreme Court!

Pause for applause. So, no, so they get the data, but the NHL, this is a marketing deal with MGM. Like, the NHL now gets access to the, they said it, 31 million people that are in the M-L-L life program, which is that little stuff fucking card you put in the slot machine. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So there is 31 million people on that program. So when there is an NHL event, the outdoor games, the All-Star game, whatever, and there's an MGM property near that event, which there probably will be.

Like, the MGM properties are all over the fucking country now. They're going to be able to directly market to the people and say, like, stay at this place, or if you're staying at this place, come see this thing. So that's part of it. What stopped them from doing that before this? They could be like, they didn't have access to the database. like they get MGM's database now. Oh, the NHL can say it.

Right, right. And MGM gets access to all two million hockey fans, which is really exciting. Here's a follow-up question. Yes, sir. What do the players say about this? Like, they're giving away their data. Okay, that's a really good question, and that's actually a different topic, but we can touch on it. Let's touch on it.

We're a hockey podcast. First off, the player tracking, that we're going to have is inferior to the player tracking that we saw in Columbus for the All-Star game. That was infrared shit in the puck, infrared cameras around the rink, shit on the players to track them. Right.

The players weren't crazy about the shit on them. And so now there's no shit on them. Just wiping it off. Just wiping wiping the shit right off. Okay. Sidebar. We dressed up sneakers as a Stegosaurus for Halloween, and she went to the village Halloween parade. While we were walking her around,

She took a little... Her little... Her little shimmy. A little business? And to indicate that she was going to take a shit. Keep in mind what a stegosaurus looks like. What are the features of a stegosaurus? Plates on its back.

Wings? No. No, that's a teradactyl. That's a unicorn. Oh. The stegosaurus has a long tail with spikes on the end of it. This is an accurate costume. Okay.

She shimmies down to take a shit. Sure. Ruby runs over. lifts up the tail to no avail. Ah. She created what I could only This is,

you know those patties, like those burger patties that you get that are really, really thick at like a place like Red Robin maybe? Yeah. That's what the shit formed. Oh.

When it hit the wall of her stegosaurus tail. Like an uncooked burger. Like an uncooked, but cooked because it's brown. Oh, it looked cooked. Yeah.

So we had to pull over to the side of the sidewalk, unhook her leg from the costume and use, little bags to clean her ass because she had a shitburger on it. So anyway, sports wagering. Yes. Player tracking.

Hockey, it's very important. The players wipe the shit off them and now we're going to get this player tracking thing where it's camera based. Teams are already using it. It's all like different cameras. They're filming the players. They're tracking them around. It's going to tell us about puck possession. It's going to tell

us about the speed of the players, speed of the shots. It's not going to give us the accuracy. I don't think of the other format. But the thing the players are concerned about is twofold. One is the biometric information. Now this is something stuff. Yeah, this is something that's been used in soccer.

I wrote a story about this a couple of months ago when I went to MIT, the Sloan thing. In soccer, they had a broadcast where they had a heart monitor on somebody. And during a corner kick during the game, you could watch this guy's, not during it, but like the next day they played this

video of the guy's heart and what it looked like when he was taking the kick. Now, this is plausible and possible based on the tech that we have now, wearable technology. But the players are like, fuck that. It's bad enough we've got armchair doctors at home trying to diagnose injuries. It looks like he's real. It looks like his hands hurt them all.

Imagine. Imagine McDavid's BPMs were way too high during that power play. It's really hurt. Imagine some fucking guy with a, like, fucking Tyler Delo having access to cardiograms. And then he's, and then the next day he's like, I found a palpitation. But that's what I mean, though, is like giving that to a casino? I don't think that, I don't think the biometric stuff is ever going to be. Any of it, any of it.

If they ever got that stuff, if they ever got that stuff, that would be proprietary, private and would be probably one of those medical, medical, like, the hypocritic oath, whatever the fuck. But it's still like, it's still like information. So, like, let's say, like, the sharks know Eric Cross has lost a step. Like, oh, man, he's only skating this fast. Like, do the sharks want other teams knowing that? That's the other part of this. So the big question with player tracking technology is whether we're going to be privy to it.

You know, the teams are going to have it, the broadcasters are going to have it, and there probably is going to be some stuff that you could use. It's a superfluous shit, you know, the speed and whatever. But like, when it comes to the speed of somebody, like somebody's entire shift, let's say, you know, how are they skating at the start of the shift, how are they skating at the end? that could be an indication of several different things. You know, wear and tear, an injury, getting fucking old, losing a step. I think there's a real question as to how much of that information they're actually going to make public.

But that they don't make it public and they give it to the casino for making accurate lines. I don't know. But people don't know what they're using to make the lines. How does that help you bet on the things? This is the question I had from the press conference. And the next time I have the unparalleled pleasure of speaking with Gary. Betman. You love it.

I will definitely ask him this. He said during this press conference with MGM, we're going to have the opportunity to determine what's bet on. He said something along those lines. We're going to have input on what you can bet on what you can't bet on. So I have a feeling that the NHL, when they give them this player tracking shit, it's going to be like, you know, you can bet on how fast they shot is, but not how money they did, or some bullshit.

Like, there's going to be some oversight to the player tracking data they give to the casinos. Okay. Now, the other part of this that I found really interesting was, and you're a man who's laid a bed or two on the NFL through your life. I've gambled once or twice on sports. NHL's not going to dabble in NFL-style injury reports. The Betman said that currently the NHL is going to stick with the vague upper body, lower body, grab-ass bullshit game they play with injuries. They're not going to do full injury reports. How do you feel about that?

That's fine, as long as you know whether or not a guy's going to play. Like, in essence, like, if a guy has a shoulder or a knee, you don't really care if they call it upper body, lower body. You want to know if he's, you know, like in the NFL probable, doubtful, or questionable. This is interesting because that's a really good point. And what I didn't think of, which is that when you're betting on the NFL, you know two hours before the game usually. Yeah. Who's playing who's not. Like, for instance, as we sit here and talk, the Niners are playing the Raiders.

And in my pool, I was like, I don't know if I want to pick this game. It's one in seven and one in six. and the Niners quarterback, C.J. Bethard, they announced wasn't going to play. CJ Beathard. Yes, C.J. Bethard of Iowa. I don't know why I know that. But they're starting some guy who hasn't played an NFL game because I drafted a free agent. And like the line went from like two and a half to even in like two hours.

And so in my pool, in my pool, the line stays the same. And I'm like, I don't want to take the Raiders. So I took the Raiders because I knew that guy wasn't going to play. If it wasn't until like puck drop, for instance, I wouldn't mess around. And usually it's warmups, but sometimes not even then. You don't even know then. Yeah, sometimes they put the guy out in warmups in the playoffs is some sort of fucking canard

And then, like, you know, he doesn't wind up playing. Puck drop. If Puck drop is at 7.10, you don't really find out to like 7.02 sometimes when they have the full game sheet and that's eight minutes to get bets in. And that's not... And that speaks to the biggest issue with this entire thing with the NHL and sports wagering, which is that you have to create reasons for people to want to bet on your game. And so you do that by creating as many opportunities as you can for someone to want a bet on the game.

Like, the example I always give is, the idea that you're at a game it's going overtime you've got some time between the end of regulation and overtime place your fucking bets who wins who scores that is incredible especially in the three on three

where there's a very good chance the game's going to end so that's great what's not so great is that if you are trying to place a wager on a game and you don't know until they skate out five minutes before the puck drops who's going to play that doesn't encourage wagering

that's a real shitty thing to do as far as of that. It's like antithetic towards when Tampa they got to the conference finals and lost to Pittsburgh

and it was like is Stamco's going to play? Stamco's not going to play and you never kind of and then he ended up playing but you didn't know

how much he was going to play like he played like eight minutes in game seven or something like teams it's a playoff so you get it but like you need to know that stuff a couple hours beforehand

you can't just find out right at game time especially and also you're dealing with goalies and that's an issue too you know as far as like who's starting. Yeah, teams don't let you know.

Yeah, I know. It's a real fucking problem. Tell you right now, man, if I don't know, if I don't know who's in net for the Kings now for the next couple days or a couple weeks without Jonathan Quick, I'm never going to be able to, like, it's just, right. That's the, like, that part is the part I don't get. Like, imagine if every week, every team had a quarterback controversy. Who are you going to go with this week? Oh, you know what? We'll figure that out on Friday.

Yeah. What? You can't just tell me now. You're going to start Tom Brady. It's fucking nuts. It's so. So hard to get it. I'm still a true belief. when it comes to this shit. I really believe that one of the major obstacles for

the NHL in the United States in my lifetime has been an inability of people to wager on it. And so I think that there's going to be ways to do it. I'm encouraged that you look at Jersey now, they're going to have a fucking lounge for William Hill and a lounge for Caesars. There's a very good chance that every single place in Prudential Center

where you can hang out and have a drink will be sponsored by a fucking casino at some point. And so if that's all in front of you, that's going to encourage people to wager, and that's a good. That's the dream. I know. Just like, intervention. mission, go to the bathroom, get a beer, place a bet. Yeah, you know, how great. You can do that. Except that's the thing, is that

Betman's Hill to die on now. His William Hill. His William Hill to die on now is that is no kiosks. He's just like, you have a phone. What do you need a kiosk? He's got a real fucking heart on about, like, turning his arenas into casinos. He's giving proprietary information

to a casino. Like, why? It's just so weird where the NHL, like, draws lines sometimes. Yeah. And what it will and will not do. Like, yeah, like you said, if you have a kiosk and you want to bet the second period line or whatever, you should be able to just go do that. Imagine, like, go to the racetrack and you can only bet on your phone. Doesn't make any sense.

I mean, it's legal. It doesn't, but it does. Like, honestly, dude, like, listen, the racetracks are different. The ability to go up and interact with the teller and pick one that you think is going to be lucky for you and shit. Like, that's fun. Where you're interacting? I'm just like, I'm so nervous about saying all the race stuff the right way that, like, I'm

I'm going up to the nicest old lady. I'm like, I just want to tell you that's a lovely brooch. And she's like, thank you very much, sweetie. And then there's like 11 people behind you. It's this pet bet. And I'm like, I won on this horse to show. And she's like, you won $2.76. And then she moves the coins with her finger out to you.

It's so exciting. You push the 60 cents back to her. That's for you. You're my lucky charm. But like, you know, for life. But if you're like at a game, I don't need, I don't need. I don't need, listen, I'm already fucked up with lines as far as getting beer or going to take a piss. Like at the fucking Bears game I went to over the weekend, where it's the entirety of halftime to go take a piss.

Okay. I don't need to stand in line at a kiosk. I'll use my phone to bet. Greg, this solves the problem. Because you're going to have the same amount of people in the building, but now you're going to have some of them doing other stuff besides peeing and buying beer, so other lines will get shorter while those people go in bed. You're saying that now along with going to take a piss, midway through the period or during the anthem

now I will then take a piss during like the portions of the game that I know people are laying bets No no no I mean like you can just do your same routine Like you know first period's over I'm gonna go pee And now it's gonna take like 42% less time Because those people will be gambling instead of peeing Except for the fact that if you don't have to go to a kiosk

You can piss and bet at the same time Yeah but you ever use your phone in an arena Like the Wi-Fi's not great The reception's not great So you might not be able to get your bed in kind of frowned upon to take your phone out while you're at the urinal? I think like once you're in line you're fine, but like once you actually step

towards the urinal, you got to put it away. Yeah, you got to put it in your tray of nachos by your feet. Remember that fucking picture? The piss nachos. The piss nachos. I remember debating like, how that happened. Because like, I've brought beer into the bathroom for sure but like I can't imagine doing that in that order because like, oh man, I want

nachos and I got to pee. Better get the nachos first. I don't know, man. Like, having been to Soldier Field and stood in that line for the entirety of halftime, if I was, like, looking at the nacho line and being like, that is one-third of the size of this line. If I go there now, I can get nachos. This line will dissipate. I mean, there might be a little science to that. But, like, my thought was the guy, I guess maybe he was explaining the photo.

It's been so long. But my feeling was that the nachos were just there. You know what I mean? Like, somebody brought him in and just left him there. I think I were drunk or whatever. Again, like, but I don't know. Listen, time being what it is. Time is a flat circle.

But I also know about the concept of back splash. And the idea that you're going to put anything on the ground that you're going to eventually get put in your mouth around a urinal is fucking nuts. So maybe that's what happened. They were like, I got to put these down somewhere and there's not enough room on either side of the urinal, like shelf. So you're just like, I'll put it on the floor. And then you pee and you're like, oh, and then you leave them there. Maybe that's what happens.

That's why you always should use the stall. You can put it on top of where the toilet paper is. You just sit down and start eating. Oh, there you go. Great point, too. No shame in that. What are you doing in there? You're like, shut out.

Almost done. Just you're crunching. Are you eating on the toilet? That's got to be illegal. Garbage in, garbage out. All right. Listen, we've talked a lot about being in the arena, and as you know, there's only one thing that you should do.

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All right. Now that we've worked through Jonathan Quick being hurt and gambling, let's get to the living hellscape that is being alive. Being alive and also following the NHL as a fan. Let's begin first with the news that came out from Finland, as in Helsinki, Sweden, in Finland, that was a diehard reference. Remember that? They're doing the first one?

Yeah, it was the scene. where they're talking about the terrorist event on television and they're talking about how... Oh, he's giving his demands? No, no, no, no. This is when they're talking about what the hostages might be doing. And they're like, you know, the hostages sometimes

find that they really do like the hostage holders. It's called the Helsinki syndrome. And then the anchor man goes, as in Helsinki, Sweden. And then the guy goes, Finland. I have diehard memorized. So that happened. the movie. So he's like a hostage negotiator.

No, no, no. It's like it's like one of those short news cutaways. Yeah. Like when Richard what's his face, you know, William Atherton. Willie Matherton is going to the McLean's house. It's that network. But it's like one, like

the anchors are talking to the expert. Oh yeah, I can kind of picture it, but I don't remember that while. He's in here that's in Sweden. Yes, I got to rewatch thy heart again at some point. It's a Christmas movie. Darn it. Slobo Voinoff. Former Los Angeles Kings defenseman who was suspended indefinitely by the NHL and served jail time for domestic assault has formally applied for reinstatement in the league.

Bill Daly told Dennis Bernstein of the fourth period, we're in the process of an intense factual investigation. I'm not in a position to give a timeline when the investigation is done. Commissioner Gary Bettman will deal with this application for reinstatement. The NHL, of course, does not have a domestic policy, a domestic violence policy. The ultimate decision will be made by Gary Bettman and Bill Daley as to whether or not Slaba Voinoff will come back and play hockey in their league. If I were a betting man, I would say that they reinstate him because they're cowards.

And they're afraid of there being some sort of situation like this again and lawsuits and the whole thing. And they just leave it on the Kings to do it. And they leave it on the teams to blackball them, to basically Kaepernick them, for lack of a better word. Yeah, that's not the right term for this. Well, I mean, oh, no, no, it is the right term for it because it's collusion. I mean, oh, come on, you don't think the fucking NFL colluded not to give Colin Kaepernick a job? Yeah, but Colin Kaepernick's not getting a job for good reasons. I don't, I don't mean...

I know what you're saying. I don't mean that they're akin. I mean that the league, even if it's some fucking wink-wink-wink thing, like the teams will not... No, I know. But, okay, so that's what I think will probably happen. I will acknowledge the flaw in my plan, which is that teams in Nashville have in the past employed just fucking terrible people under the auspices of rehabilitation. And also, Slava Voinoff is a top four defenseman, maybe even a top pairing defenseman for some teams,

which does also worry me because the teams always put a premium on that position. So these things concern me. These things trouble me as so far as everybody doing the right thing here and not giving this guy employment in the National Hockey League. What say you? What I don't understand it off the top is the NHL's known this is coming now for a long time. and it's November 1st, and they're still, like, pushing it off. Like, what in the world could they have not learned by now, where they can just say?

I have an answer for that. Well, look at the answer man over here. Voinov had his record expunged on July 2nd by a court in Los Angeles, because he served three years of probation in Russia. And so the league has closed. claim that they've not been able to do a proper investigation of the matter until he was available to speak to them, being that he left rather than being deported. So from their perspective, this is a new investigation now that they have access to Voinoff and probably his wife. But like, there's what is going on in the building?

The building is shaking. It's fine. It's people slamming doors and whatever. But like, it's one of those things where, you know how? like, you know, you've got stuff to do, and there's like one thing you know you can't do. So you just do all the other stuff before you have to like... No, Dave, I wouldn't know anything about that. I'm just saying that I feel like this investigation could probably...

You either going to let him in or not let him in. But like, also, he could have made himself available to talk. Like, it's not like he's, if he wants, if he knows he's going to be reinstated. The whole thing just feels like... Do you think they're going to reinstate him or not reinstate him? Because I think it comes down to different levels of scorn. everybody's already pissed at the NHL. Like the NHL, people look at them and they're like,

you don't care about women, you don't care about minorities, you don't care about gay, every group you could imagine take shots at the NHL for being this fucking myopic, narrow-minded machine. I think they're ready to take the slings and arrows hiding behind the... But wouldn't they want to go the other way and be like, look, we are going to do this this one time?

Because I don't think they care. I think that they're willing to take the slings. and arrows for doing this because they don't want to get sued. And I think that they're going to hide behind the NHLPA and be like they're the ones pushing it. And I think that they're going to put it on the teams. Because whatever team signs him, that is a supernova of criticism versus the dwarf star level of criticism of heat that the NHL will take. But going back to the Kaepernick example, where they've left it on teams, to sign him, they're still getting sued.

So I don't know how doing it this way would prevent the NHL or anyone from being sued. I mean, it's possible. It's possible. I think for me, I hope that the NHL does the right thing and doesn't reinstate him. Because the idea that Slava Voinov,

who served time for domestic assault, has a right to play in the National Hockey League, is fucking bonkers. It's not a right. it's not. He found employment in the KHL. He was fine. He could have stayed there.

It's not as if he can't continue his career in professional hockey, but no one says that he should be able to do it in the National Hockey League. My guess is he will, I mean, he has applied for reinstatement, and the NHL will, like, push it off. They'll make him do stuff for like a full year. And then next year, he'll come back somehow. I feel like that's the way they're going to do it. They're going to like, it'll be like, what's the word I'm looking for?

Like a rehabilitation of him type thing, but it won't happen this year is my guess. There's going to be some. That's what they'll do. I think we mentioned this when the news first kind of broke that he might be coming back. There's going to be some Dave Poyle type that's going to sit at a table with Voinov and Voinov's wife, and they're going to all sit there, and they're all going to say it's a horrible thing that happened. We've all moved past it. Yeah.

And they're going to bring her into it as a way to try to show that things are different, yada, yada, yada. You know, I guarantee you that's going to be the case if a team signs them. But I'm, again, I'm like, I'm like 70-30. A team's not going to sign them. Just for the shit they're going to take. I don't think a team's going to sign them. I do like your idea of like what the NHL will do. I don't like the idea,

but I understand your idea makes sense. Yeah. And I can see that being the way it goes. They're cowards when it comes to precedent. I just, that's part of it. I just, I can't imagine,

I guess I could imagine everything's terrible. But I can't imagine, I think if some team does do the whole, you know, rehabbing the image thing, it won't be this season. Okay. It'll still be bad when it happens, but

like I feel like it's not going to happen. Like, they'll reinstate them, the Kings will have control of his rights and everything, and then like Friday, at like 630, in the middle of the summer, something will happen where they trade him to some team, and they'll hope

that by like September people have moved on. I think that's what's going to happen, and it fucking sucks. Speaking of fucking sucks, Evander Cain's back in the news. the sharks forward who I mean he's to go back to diehardt he's like the John

McLean of hockey scandal just right wrong place wrong time all the time it's nuts why does this thing keep happening to him he's a target of a $6 million lawsuit followed by a woman who claims the 27 year old star reneged on a promise to compensate her for having an abortion

so this is a real heart warmer of a story the unidentified woman said that Kane got her pregnant and he finally coerced her into having an abortion last June by offering her $3 million, TMZ Sports first reported. She claimed it was the second time Kane forced her to have an abortion and that he has refused to pay her. Kane speaking to reporters on Thursday morning dismissed what the woman accused from doing.

This is off from the Mercury News. Just a bunch of BS, he said. It's a baseless accusation or claim, I guess. For me, it's a dead issue. It's bad words. Anyone can say anything they want nowadays. I'm not really going to talk about it further. because it's not going to help me.

It's not going to do any good. Kane's attorney, Paul Cambria, Jr., you may remember him from such scandals as the Patrick Kane. Oh, yeah. Jesus, God. Vietnly been denied the charges in a statement released by the Sharks vowed to fight back against the accusations. We received notice of the filing of a lawsuit

by someone referred to as Jane Doe, alleging a breach of contract against Vander Cain. We firmly believe that this lawsuit is baseless, both factually and legally, we will aggressively defend this claim in court on Vander's behalf and assert all applicable counterclaims. I don't even know what to say about this. It's fucking depressing is what it is.

Like, this is, again, the fight at the club, the thing in the hotel room, you know, he was on probation. Then they put it out of his record because he didn't do anything fucked up since the club fight where he dragged the woman by the hair. Like, now this. I mean, not to say there's anything to it, but again, like, fucking, this isn't happening to every player in the league.

Why does it happen? And, you know, the thing about it is that every time he gets into trouble like this or is in the public eye like this, then you get the fucking Winnipeg Brigade that's just like, see, see, when you said that we were racist for bringing up the fact that he was, you know, allegingly skipping out on checks, and that he's too brash and that he shouldn't do that. the thing with the phone, the money phone, you know, see? Yeah, you're probably still racist, though, if you're, for being honest. Yeah, it's, um, it's, it's, it's, uh, I don't even, you don't even, you don't even know what to say at this point about it.

And they just found that about it like 45 minutes ago. Yeah, so it's also, I don't know what to say, but, um, yeah. Yeah, we'll, we'll check back in a week. Yeah. We'll be here. It's great. All of a good times, as always, with the vendor can. let's talk about something a little bit more

offlifting. Connor McDavid is a new commercial. Now, when last we met a couple of, we were talking about how Connor McDavid does not have the cachet that Sidney Crosby does because Sid is in all those

Tim Horton's commercials and Connor McDavid isn't in many commercials. He's in other commercials, but not Tim Horton's commercials. Connor has decided to strike back at this notion by becoming the spokesperson for the airport, I guess.

Is that how it works? I don't know. Here's Connor McDavid and his brother in a new commercial that dropped on McDavid's Twitter feed just today, or maybe on Halloween, who knows. I'm sorry tonight. What are we doing here so early? Love it here. The airport's got the lounges,

the restaurants. bonding time for us. Okay. It's a commercial for the airport. This is him and his brother Cameron. His brother Cameron, by the way, looks a lot like Connor, but also a bit like maybe actor William Sadler, who played the Green Reaper and Bill and Ted, but also maybe a little bit like

Cory Perry. A little bit. I met him when I interviewed Connor for Puck Soup, and he's great. The McDavid boys are great. Is he dreamed to be an actor? Is that his thing? Is that why he's in this? When Connor talks about the the places that you can go when you're at the airport,

like the club and the lounges and stuff. Like, this is, these are the places Connor McDavid gets to go, right, at the airport that like you and I, well, like when you and I are,

you know, ninth in line at Auntie Ann's pretzels, hoping to have a pretzel for breakfast. He has like the pass in Disneyland that gets you to the front of the line for the pretzels. Connor's in another part of the airport having like, you know, begs Benedict or some shit, right?

Yeah. Okay. I got plans tonight. I don't care. Let's go. Okay. So the McDavid boys are now in the airport. Great temp track playing.

Wait, can we pause it for a second? If his brother has plans for the night, why is he at the airport if he's not on the flight with him? Maybe he has a Tinder date at Cinebun. Also, they've already gone through security, so he has to have a ticket. This isn't a 1995 sitcom. I don't know if they have or haven't yet,

because they were looking at the board right when you walk. in it looked like. Yeah, but the lounges are beyond the security. All right, now he's meeting somebody from HSBC. I don't know. Let's find out. Well, I've got your US cash that you pre-ordered, so I'll send it for you. It was easy.

Yeah, and here's some complimentary travel kits for you. Perfect. So they got complimentary travel kits which just looked like. Looks like coosies? They looked like beer coosies or maybe like eye masks. Oh, that's what they are because they put them on later. So he ordered America. American money? Can you do that? Can I go to Canada and be like, have $50 Canadian waiting for me at the airport?

I don't know what this commercial is about. Maybe it only works if you're going from Canada to the U.S. Could be, right. This isn't for the bank, I think, in the airport. Is this your bag? Yes, we're back. Can we all be with it? That is the nicest thing anyway. Wait, so the bank gives you travel kit? I don't know.

I can see the bank giving you, like, money to exchange. So this woman at the baggage carousel. They go up to her and they're like, hey, can we help you with your bag? And she's like, yes. And then Conner's brother takes her bag. Again, like, when Sid does the Tim Wharton's commercials, he's actually working, like, the drive-thru. He's with Nathan McKinnon all the time, too.

Okay, granted. He makes Nathan McKinnon and do the work. Right. Right. Can you, uh, maybe grab a donut for her over there? Anything you say, Sid? Um, so, like, Conner's brother grabbed the bag for this. By the way, this woman is wearing an adobe.

shirt just happened to be fucking wearing an adidas shirt isn't like mac david's an adidas guy isn't everybody everything's very fishy about this set up i'm sorry this is i think it's 90% she works for adidas she's just a plant she's a plant okay these are free right the civc ones it's a little small in the cart but that's okay they're free so don't worry i think it's entirely possible that macdavits have never seen a luggage cart before think so yeah i think this is like a first. Like, this is why he's so excited. Yeah. It's like

it's like when President Bush the first went and saw his first scanner at the supermarket and was dazzled by it, like, oh, I don't even know these things existed. So, an old lady thought that Connor's brother

was Connor. Why isn't he getting mobbed? Like, this is again, if this was Sid, at this point, it would look like a fucking Beatles movie. Well, they probably have stuff rubbed off, like taped off, you know?

But my question is... Actually, I don't know. This entire thing is staged. Why wouldn't you want him to be mobbed by people? Because you're doing a bit. If everyone mobs him, you can't do all the

individual conversation. It's a lose-lose situation. Either people in Canada don't know Connor McDavid or... Okay. Well, why does it Timorton thing work? Because, like, eventually people would just mob it's in mourning?

They're playing on the luggage carts now. Yeah, you know what? It was pretty awesome. How much more time do we have? Just for three hours. Perfect. See how much more time do we have? So he's part of the flight. Trying to keep snoring down this time, right? Yeah. Yeah. When you need some last minute banking before you fly, this is where you go. C-IBC at Toronto Pearson. Yeah. Here's my problem. Oh, there's probably more. Oh, no, there's got to be more, right? We're just playing music. This video goes on for another 10 seconds. Did you watch it? No. So here's the issue with the commercial.

Jesus God. You have Connor McDavid. You're doing a bit at the airport, and you don't reenact the awkward arm hug thing. You know, they made reference to it. We talked over it, I think. They do make reference to, like, making, they can go an awkward photo. But, like, my question is, like, if you're McDavid, like, don't you feel so shitty that your fame is now your awkward photo guy?

Like, why couldn't have been an awkward photo in, like, a lingerie store? Or like a brewery. You have to take the airport commercial now because you were the awkward photo guy in the airport. I'm sure. It's a bank commercial. I'm sure it pays well. Like everyone's thinking that. The second they see him in the airport, you're like, oh, I can't wait.

This is a funny commercial, and they don't do the one thing they should have done. It drives me nuts. I like that his brother's in the commercial, though. That's nice. It's a nice touch. Yeah, get your friends, get your brother, pay a little, little something. It's kind of a miracle that Chris Coonitz never showed up one of those Sid Tim Horton's commercial. Yes.

Is that kind of an ad-reed? Should we, should we, should we, should we, should we, should we, should we, Should we invoice that bank? It's not SpahnCon, ladies gentlemen. We were just generally interested in the Connor McDavid. Yeah. Rate McDavid's acting in that commercial scale of one to ten.

He's gotten better. One being carrot top in chairman of the board, ten being Daniel Day Lewis. So he did that one commercial where somebody was like buying something online and he was like over the guy's shoulder in the full Oilers uniform.

Remember that commercial? It's like shot that on NHL.com commercial, I think. An excellent point. He's not great in that. An excellent point. Both of the McDavid's appear in their civilian clothes. Yeah, they're at the airport.

They're traveling. There's a point for McDavid in this one, is that he's so famous, he doesn't have to show up in commercials in full gear. Give it a seven. Six and a half, seven. He's better.

He's getting more relaxed. He's got the beard going too in the ad. I think he's getting better. Not rigid. I'm going to give him a six and a half in the commercial, but I'm going to give him a seven overall for comedy because he also dressed his home Simpson for Halloween.

See, that's that's unrelated to this. We're judging the performance. Okay, okay, fine. That's like being like, you know, I give Daniel Day Lewis a 10. Well, he's good and everything. That's a bad example. You know what I mean? Like, that guy was funny and something else.

Like, no, we're judging the commercial, Greg. All right. What do you got? 6.5. Okay. I agree with you. Yeah, that's fair. I mean, he's getting better. It's getting more personable. Mm-hmm. More relaxed.

We're not quite at, you know, musical guest, see ya. And now, Connor McDavid. Right. Like, he's probably at Eli Manning on SNL level at this point where he's still a little, like, he's fine. Is he at Sidney Crosby on the Tonight Show shooting pucks into the washing machine level? Everyone said to that. I don't remember that.

But he was shooting puck. But, like, he wasn't. Yeah, if you had him out there. But boy in Canada, shot hockey bucks into a Boston. Oh, it was that long ago. This happened? Yeah. Yeah.

I think it was Leno. It wasn't Fallon. Maybe he was, no, it was Leno. I'm pretty sure. But either way. I think he's, he's, he's, fine. Okay. Yeah. That's good. Good for Connor. Today's episode of Puck Soup was sponsored by Robin Hood, an investing app that lets you buy and sell stocks, ETFs, options, and cryptos all commission-free.

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So I was watching the NFL recently, and it occurred to me that all of the shows that they were advertising, I had no idea what the fuck they were. And then this was reinforced because Ruby and I were walking down. the street and they were they were doing a shoot for the show elementary now you're familiar with elementary yeah they shoot outside here sometimes and do you know what the show is yeah it's the it's the Sherlock um show can you name an actor that's in the show uh lucy lou correct perfect yeah so ruby couldn't do any of this okay and she's pretty plugged in and it occurred to me that because of the way that media has fractured in a billion pieces like sam jackson falling down the stairs

and unbreakable why you were not going to reference what you just said a million pieces. I thought like you would go to shattered glass because the glass shattered into a million pieces. No, I know it's not been doing it. Okay. Okay. His name was Mr. Glass. I almost did. It occurs to me that back when we were younger,

we probably knew every show on every network. You know, we could probably, chapter in first, explain what the, if I said a name of a show, you could probably tell me what it was. I don't think that's the case anymore. And I especially don't think it's the case with you because you no

longer have the benefit of watching day time television. So the times in which you'd be able to see ads for these shows has greatly decreased. Oh, it's pretty much all during like football games, yeah. Okay. So I have for you now, the Puck Soup Quiz, it's a variation of

a game that I play during the holiday season, which is called the Hallmark movie game. In which I, you know, give the name of a Hallmark Channel movie to Ruby, she has to try to guess the plot of the movie, and then I tell her what it actually is. So this is really only funny if I don't know these.

I hope I don't. There's a very good chance you'll not know many of these. Okay. These are all network TV shows? So I'm going to give you the name of a network TV show. It's currently on the air and has come on the air within the last, say, two or three years. Okay. And you have to give me what the show is about.

Okay. So we'll start with ABC Station 19. No idea. Absolutely. I'm going to need a guess. though. No idea is not a guess. What is Station 19 about? This is a new show this season. Station 19. From Shonda Rhimes, creator of Grey's Anatomy. In fact, it's a spin-off to Grey's Anatomy. Oh, you're giving me away. I was going to say it took place in space, but now I'm not going to say that. Well, that doesn't say it doesn't, maybe it's a real adventurous spinoff. Maybe Sandra O is now the captain of a space station. Station 19. Station 19. I'll say, listen to you're telling me, it's a spin-off, it's still medical-based. But it takes place in like a war zone somewhere.

Great guess. If you consider Seattle to be a war zone, it's set in Seattle. Isn't that where the original show is? Gray's Night is correct. Okay. The series focuses on the lives of men and women at Seattle Fire Station 19. How is that a spinoff? I guess the fucking firemen help people that are like,

fucking sick and have to have cardiac arrest that shit. I don't know. There's probably like a fireman on Grey's Anatomy or something. McBurney or McVydrant or whatever. I see how it is. Misdirection. I like it. On Fox, the show is Rel.

Can I get that spelled? REL. REL. REL. Mm-hmm. It's a, it's like curb your enthusiasm in a way. where like it has Larry David. And R.E.L. follows around Richard Lewis, whose middle name is Edward. And it's just like a Fox version of that.

Well, it is a sitcom. But it stars what would be the antithesis of Richard Lewis that be Lil Rel Howery from the movie Get Out. It's about a Chicago man trying to rebuild his life after his ex-wife slept with his barber. His barber. His barber. Ronde Barber. That classic trope. Uh, child support on ABC.

Child support. I know. And again, I say when we were younger, we would know every show on the air. We'd be at least cognizant of what they are. Child support on ABC. And I hope you're all playing along at home. Okay. Okay.

Yes. Single dad. Uh-huh. Down on his luck. Yes. There's no other kind. One in the same. And every week he gets into this crazy hijinks trying to raise money to pay for child support.

For child support. So it's like on the honeymooners when Ralph Cramden would get a get-rich-quick scheme. Sure. This guy would get-rich-quick schemes to try to pay his child support. Sometimes it's like donating blood, sometimes it's gambling. But every week... It's amazing how close you get to the actual premise of the shows. Child support is an American game show.

show series, hosted by Fred Savage and starring Ricky Jervais. Oh, it's a game show. A show in which children answer questions in support of the adult contestant. It premiered in January 2018. So, the first one you misdirected me, now you're not telling me there's also game shows. All right, all right. I thought these were

all like scripted dramas or comedies, but okay, okay. It may be scripted. We may have ourselves a quiz show scandal on child support. I don't know for sure. All right, all right. The Neighborhood on CBS. The Neighborhood. There have been many commercials, many subway advertisements for the neighborhood.

I forget who's in it. I don't have to tell me who's in it. You just have to give me the premise. Well, it's just people, this is just like a people living next door kind of like thing. Oh, yep. Yeah. Anything in particular about the people living next door? The one person works nights and they sleep a lot.

And the other person's in a rock band. And they just keep them up all night playing music. you know, you were so close. You had to go back to the most reliable trope in entertainment, which is dorky white guy, cool black guy, a white Midwestern family adjust to moving into a predominantly African-American

neighborhood in Los Angeles, starring Cedric the Entertainer. And the other guy is the guy from New Girl. Right. Yeah, I've seen that commercial. CBS Sports. Sure. I'm Zui Dasch,

and I'm singing my New Girl song. I think that is the actual thing. song, that's pretty good. The touch, the feel of New Girl. That's me doing her cotton ad as a song for $1 on CBS. Okay, so this has to be a game show, right? What you must be going to be right for? I'm sorry.

Hey, Alex, what is, it's like a car, right? Like, the answer's going to be like a car. I don't can't give you the answers on Jeopardy. It's a game show. It has to be. It's $1 on CBS. Okay. but what's it about?

I'm going to give you the actual plot of a game show. I don't know. People ask questions and somebody answers. And somebody gets it. Okay, you're fucking wrong anyway. One dollar is an American mystery thriller. Huh. It's on CBS All Access, so it's a bit of a cheat.

Oh, man. Again, you're telling me there's your network TV shows. This is, all right. I thought it was a network show. The series centers on the denizens of a small Rust Belt community and shifts perspective from person to person as a dollar bill changes hands. So it's like an anthology

following around a dollar bill. Hopefully one where someone has drawn a little goatee on George Washington. I always like getting those. Yeah, you don't lose track of that dollar. No. And hopefully not one that's, it's probably torn

so you can't just have it go into a vending machine and get the series is over. That'd be a great way to end the series. That's what he just puts a new fucking... Somebody buys a stickers. That's it. Thanks for watching. I feel bad on NBC.

This is another high-profile series. Oh, I've seen the commercial. Like, the woman bends over and, like, the dad, like, the dad goose is her, and thinking it's his wife, but, right, it's not. I've seen that commercial. Okay. You're familiar with the show. It's from Amy Polar.

Yes. Okay, you got this one right. This is correct. Very good. Very good. Very good. What do you have wrong? One, two.

I got all the rest of them. Every other one. One, two, three, four, five. But you got this one right. Right, yeah. I feel bad is about a wife, a mother, and a career woman who feels bad when she deviates from her own standards of perfection while trying to, quote, have it all. Reverie. Revery. Revery. Revery. R-E-V-E-R-I-E. Revery. I don't even know what that word means.

Revery. This is... On NBC. This is... Oh, it's on NBC. as if that changes anything like, oh, I was going to say one thing, but now I know. I mean, if it's on NBC, you're like, oh, I was going to say there was a black person in the show, but clearly it's on NBC.

I'm going to say it stars Donald Sutherland. Okay. Oh, good call. He's a professor of reverie at a prestigious college university. Yes. And he solves murders. Professor of Reverie. Referee is about a former hostage negotiation,

a negotiator named Mara Kint, not Chris Sabian from the negotiator. An expert on human behavior, she takes a job saving people whose minds are lost and an advanced virtual reality simulation. I think I was close. I think I actually had credit for this one. ABC's splitting up together.

Okay, so this is a reality show. Okay. It's a reality show. Okay. Good call. Where couples... Yes. Okay.

Good call. And splitting up would indicate you're a couple to not. But they're not divorcing. No. What they're doing is they are taking inheritances. Taking inherences. Okay. And splitting them up between each other.

Right. And the way they decide the percentages is... is through running obstacle courses. So it's like American Gladiators but also that show on HBO that you love but I don't watch it.

What's that show? The one about the Murdoch family. Oh, Succession? Yes, success is like Succession, but also American Gladiator. There's no real inheritance. Well, I guess, yeah, Brian Cox's character. Yeah, okay, yeah.

Yeah, that's obvious. No, this is actually a show starring Jenna Fisher from The Office. It chronicles what happens when a couple's marriage is suddenly reignited by their divorce. Oh, so it really was the obvious answer. I thought it was like a cleverly title thing about something else. Yeah, that's good girls on NBC. Good girls.

He was going to say, this stars Zoe Day Chanel. Not to be confused with new girls. I think I've seen this guy. I feel like the commercials on NBC when I watch something that I football stick with more. That's right. Is that the NBC one? As opposed to the Fox one, which is Slay Ride. Oh, yeah, that is kind of like Slayride.

Yeah, it is Slay Ride. All right, so good girls. Wait, do you remember CBS's NFL song? No. Isn't CBS's NFL song kind of like the beginning of ESPN's old hockey song? isn't like, do-da-d-d-d-d-d-d-do. That's ESPN's old hockey song.

Right. I think you're like, CBS's NFL song is also that. Oh, fuck. All right. Good Girls. I'm going to look up the CBS song. It's about women who are assassins.

Good. That's kind of like, here. Again, it's a title that throws you off. No, but they assassinate for you. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so as I said, they don't play it a lot during the broadcast, which I think is the issue.

I think it's mostly when they're just going to halftime or whatever. Good Girls is an American crime comedy drama. Okay, assassinations are crimes. It's about three suburban Detroit mothers, two of whom are sisters. They're having a hard time trying to make ends meet. So they pull off an unlikely heist by robbing the supermarket. Oh, I'm close on this. You are, but I'm not going to give it to you.

Oh, come on. I'd crime, right? Finally, the show is Star. Star on Fox. It's probably my least favorite NFL theme compared to all the others. Okay, so Star. Star. Stars.

David Pamer. David Pamer. of Mr. Saturday Night fan would probably be the movie I would go to, right? I was thinking Ocean's 13 is the guy who gets on the crashes on him. That's right. Many other things, too, of course. And he plays an astronomer. Oh.

And one night, he discovers a new celestial body in the sky. Oh. And is it, Carmeletre? And the celestial body, it turns out, can speak to him. So it's like a, what is it? And I finish explaining the plot of the show that I obviously know. I just did a point of clarification.

Is it like a planet or a comet? It's a celestial, it's just a celestial body. And the one star whenever it talks to him twinkles. And it tells him about an impending crime. And he has to prevent it. So this is like person of interest meets, I don't know, cosmos. What's person of interest? That's the one with...

I know a person. Fuck you, you. Motherfucker. Jim Cabizel. That's the only... And Benjamin Linus from Lost. It's an American music drama television series created by Lee Daniels the Butler.

It revolves around three talented young singers who navigate the music business on the road to success. Fun fact, this premiered in 2016 you've never heard of it. Star on Fox. It's on Fox? Yeah.

I feel like it's not in the Joe Buck, Troy Aikman announcer rotation. of plugging. So there you go. Wow, that back that back groove there. Do do do do do do do do. And then right there the answer started talking, welcome to so-and-so stadium with the blah blah. Do you know it?

You're looking live at an AFC game. No one says that. It's fucking terrible. Except wait, unless it involves Kansas City, but probably not because they're on Sunday night football again. We're down on the AFC? As a whole, as a conference, were down on the AFC? I would rather...

I find the NFC to be so much more compelling. You see the NFC? Okay, but... And the West? The teams I like watching... The Norris? The fuck...

I was at the... When I was at the Bears game this past weekend, I was like... I was like, I know. Listen, the quality of football, the NFC is fucking terrible. I completely agree. But they've got all the teams I like.

I like all the NFC East matchups. They're great. I like the old fucking Norris division or whatever it was with the Bears and the Packers and the Vikings and the... in the alliance. I like when they all play each other.

I like the saints. Like, I like all those teams that are out there. It's weird as a Jets guy. You're so NFC biased. Like, I would think you would love like Dolphinsbills. No, it's quite obvious why I'm like that because I'm a Jets guy. Because after I got them watching three hours of shit at 1 o'clock, I go and watch an exciting 4 o'clock game that's from the NFC.

That's how my, that's my entire life here in New York. Is you watch some shit, you watch the Jets get curb stomped, and then you go and watch a really good game. game later. But even the Jets games that are, like the Vikings game was like a 42, the Colts game was a high scoring game. You're just, yeah, you get in your expectations are too high. There's only one team in the AFC I give a shit about it and it's not even the Jets, the Chiefs.

What are there? Dollars to donuts, how many teams are there in the AFC you'd rather watch than the NFC teams? Hmm. Like, do you really want to watch the Patriots? Like there's the Rams and the Saints in the NFC. Yeah. I love watching them. Like the Chiefs are great.

Chiefs Patriots. I mean, do you want to watch the Patriots? I mean, they're good. I don't like them, but they're good at football. Like, do you want to watch Denver? The Colts? Andrew Luck's. Do you want to watch the Colts?

Colts have scored like 40-something points in like two of the last three weeks. Fucking 1969? Like, I was the Colts? You've heard of Andrew Luck, Greg? Yeah, who gives a shit? The Jets beat the Colts in that game, didn't they? Damn right. Yeah, so?

Yeah, there was like 80 points in that game. Okay. You're Sam Darnold's expectations. You got to just bring him down a little bit. Oh, they're down. Sir. Jesus, it's it's their down. Do you know what I would give to have Sam

Donald as the Giants Corps? Anyone? Anyone? This, I'm not, listen, we're going to do this show for a really long time. I'm not going to sit here and allow you to do this bullshit where you're going to lament the Giants. As a Giants fan, you've had to run a fucking 30 years

where things have been really good. Your rebuilding was like the Yankees. Your rebuilding was like the Yankees of your building. It was like it lasted a season. Like, whoa, fucking you. I'm not going to listen to this. nonsense with it from a giant title on like 16th. Jenkins won in 2009 and that's all

they've done the last 16 years. And now they have all the hitters. They don't have the Red Sox hitters. They're going to have a machado soon, probably too. Oh, boy. I know. Clutch. Clutch. All right. Listen. I'm going to listen. There's a couple things we have to talk about here

movie news-wise. Oh, are we still not done yet? Jesus God. How long are we going today? We've only been doing this show for like an hour. I got to go to take a Take a pee No, the other one Oh, nice But yes

Are you wearing a stagosaurus costume Because that could get a little messy Stegas, That's the one with the short arms, right? I saw Jurassic Park Falling Kingdom on the plane On the way back from Chicago And let me tell you,

that's a bad movie And you know I'm a Jurassic Park apologist You put a dinosaur Or a lightsaber in a movie You're going to like it This is a condemnation I've never heard before from you

It's not a spoiler Because it's like It's like going to be on Blu-ray or whatever now or whatever the, how are the fuck you watch things now and stream your shit. They blew up the island. They built, they blew up Ilsa Nublar.

A volcano went off. So the whole movie is about... Wait, did they blow it up or did a volcano? A volcano blew. The filmmakers blew it up. It wasn't like, man... I thought Chris Pratt might have dropped a bomb and something. They set some charges on the island and they blew up the island. Oh yeah, the movie about dinosaurs.

Yeah, the bomb would be the unrealistic part. Okay. The rest of the movie is they they take there's a the company a company I'm not going to tell you

which company they take dinosaurs off the island is it Pepsi it's not Pepsi and it goes back to an old plot that they

there was a script for Jurassic Park 4 at one point that John Sales wrote many many moons ago that involved the dinosaurs

being weaponized and it was dinosaurs with like laser beams on their head running around this movie is so fucking

close to that nonsense it's about dinosaurs like being created in a lab and sold to like foreign governments and the thing that killed me in this movie

as if a dinosaur by itself wouldn't be enough to give you superiority the bidding on the dinosaurs it was like $40 million dollars that's it like they were

they were buying a weaponized dinosaur for less than you'd pay most forwards in the NBA what the fuck so the movie devolves into this sort of fun

haunted house movie where like a dinosaur is chasing a little girl through the Victorian mansion but the rest I just it's like not Jurassic Park like it was just Jurassic Park in name only it made me sad also also these two movies managed to make Chris Pratt like not funny which is a really tough thing to do I think although I've not seen passengers and I imagine he was probably not funny in that movie either seen parts of passengers but there wasn't the whole point of the Jurassic Park before this that like they had to keep upping the ante on the dinosaurs so they made the super dinosaurs.

So isn't this movie just a continuation of the upping the ante on the dinosaurs? The original Jurassic Girl was great because the whole movie was about making a Jurassic Park movie. It was like kids don't give a shit about dinosaurs anymore, so we have to give them a bigger, better dinosaur and how it all goes awry. And how at the end the T-Rex comes back because it's like, no, no, no, no.

It's not about this bigger, better thing. It's about the shit that we love and holding it dear to our hearts. Maybe I'm reading into it too much. Okay. Now, we're going to talk about some unnecessary sequels that were just announced this week. Bad Boys 3. Will Smith is literally like 60 years old now.

I didn't realize Bad Boys 2 came out in 2003. When I was reading that today, I was like, no, it couldn't have been that long ago. Well, I'll tell you right now, between this and the other sequel we're going to talk about, I am more interested in this one. I want to see what they do with it. Were you a fan of the bad boys movies? Oh, yeah. I wasn't at all.

I, I, I, the bad boys, Bad Boys 2 is too long. Bad Boys 2 is the one where they like, literally like destroy half of, like, Jamaica or something. Oh, yeah.

It was like, it was like Michael Bay. They go to Cuba. Yeah, it was like, Michael Bay turned up to 15. Mm-hmm. And they're just like,

just destroying shanties and shit through their little chases and stuff. Yes. Yeah, wasn't. Yeah. But like the bad guy, like, wasn't funny.

Like, I think they were trying to make him funny. He wasn't. But, But you're here for this. It's Will Smith and Martin Lawrence. Yeah. Doing your thing.

Yeah. I'm into it. The other movie that was announced today is Gladiator, too. I don't understand this one at all. Like, is it a prequel? If it is. I think it's, I think what I understand it, it follows his son or whatever? His family was killed.

Or maybe the son of Joaquin Phoenix. Oh, Lucius. Lucius. Yeah. I think it might follow Lucius. to, but then that's, that's, but how can, the movie's called Gladiator

because Russell Crowe was the Gladiator, right, called him Gladiator, he's dead. His name was Gladiator, what's your name? Gladiator. Like they should call this movie, they should do the same thing with the fugitive. There was no more fugitive, so they call this movie Roman Marshalls.

And they have Tommy Lee Jones trying to track down. Criminals. I want you to search every vomatorium Coliseum. There, telling you this before the show. Nick Cave of Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds wrote a gladiator sequel at one point after Gladiator came out and DreamWorks is like, we want another gladiator

and Ridley Scott's like, but he's dead. They commissioned Nick Cave, musician Nick Cave, to write a script because he had an idea. The script was about Maximus in the afterlife. And he's going through like hell or whatever to try to find his family. This was a Robin Williams movie with Annabella Secura. Right, what dreams may come. Yeah. At one point he comes back into like the real world

somehow, I don't know. And it becomes a movie about like Romans and Christians and the old gods and the one god. But the reason I remember reading about this script is that it gets to a point in the last act where we

realized that Maximus is being reincarnated throughout all of history. Now he's in the Crusades. And the movie ends, no fucking joke, the movie ends with him in a Pentagon war room sitting at a computer because it's a perpetual state of war in our society. That's how bad shit it is. So it's like Russell Crow in like modern times, this is at the end of a gladiator, sequel and he's in like a war room and they're like

he's like anybody go to any coffee or whatever the fuck he says and then that's that's it but like obviously Russell Crow the character doesn't realize he's still maxis throughout all this no no it's just no it's not as if he's not a vampire but this is like that Tom Hanks movie too or Tom it's a movie where I forget the name of it

you're talking about yeah like it goes through times I've never seen it. Not super ascending the other one yeah um what the fuck is that movie Oh, God. Because he plays different people throughout it.

Not Jupiter ascending, not Mercury Rises. Are you looking it up? Yeah. It is a movie that is, of course, called, and you know it and you love it. It is definitely called. What the fuck is it? It's got to be in there somewhere. It's like hidden.

It's like, I can't find it. And like the movie I'm describing. too probably doesn't even convey what I mean by it. Cloud Atlas. Cloud Atlas, there it is. That's what I'm thinking of. Yeah, like he plays one, two, three, four, five, six people in this movie. So like it goes through eras, I think, the movie. I don't know. There it is. Sure.

Okay. So there you go. So Gliderator 2. Very excited about it. Like I'm more curious about that one. I don't think I'm going to see that one. All right. Question of the week, getting back to hockey. This is, of course, a hockey podcast. asked, what are you most surprised by so far this season? David and North Burnaby, Burnaby David, says the Vancouver Canucks are a positive surprise, but I might be biased. I would say they're a pretty big surprise.

I'd say Montreal also a pretty big surprise for me as far as how well they've done. Yeah, Montreal's pretty big. Matt Horowitz writes in, the Panthers being this damn bad with a team that on paper should be that damn good. Oh, is that your burner account? Is that what you're doing? Rachel writes in Nate Schmidt PED test. Out of all the players in the NHL,

would anyone have picked Nate Schmidt for that bully on that answer? It's a very good point. Yeah, but we always talk about this. Like, you never know. It could be anybody having PEDs. Like once in baseball, like dudes, you never hit home runs, got caught. It was like anybody could do it. Right.

Antalupa writes in, Positive surprise, our new Lord and Savior Gritty. Yeah. Negative surprise. Jonathan Drew Nguyen. horrible mullet and the fact that no one has shaved it off while he sleeves. I plead the fifth on the Duran Mullet. I don't think I've actually seen a Canadian game yet.

Jazzy Vajeda writes in Dave's unrelenting disgust towards early season statistics. Dave's unrelenting disgust towards candy corn. You pick which one is positive or negative. I can see the stats one being more negative because it's, you know, But like the candy corn one, that's a good one. No one wants to have candy corn. James Palmer writes in the fact that the Carlson and Patchy Ready trades haven't been unmitigated disasters and may yet prove successful.

Granted, we are still in the super early returns. Yeah. All right. Brian Kells that the Ottawa senators are apparently still playing ice hockey. They're doing fine. I think I've kind of smoked by Arizona. I mean, it's going to happen. Yeah.

It's going to happen. By the Derek Step on scored another one of those goals. I used to love watching Derek Steph on Flight at MSG because he would always do those goofy flips trying to get the buck to bounce a certain way. And did he – I don't know if he was trying to do it on that goal last night. Or was it last night? Yeah, it was last night. It was pretty good.

How come the ones mentioned Colorado? Am I the only one who's really surprised by Colorado being as good as they are? I think I'm surprised by how good their goaltending is. Like, Varlamoff right now is probably a Vezna finalist. The whole thing. I'm surprised by the Jared Bedner. As everybody knows, I said that Colorado had like the 20-something best goal-tending in the league coming into the season, and right now they have the best, I think. Yeah, people showing up.

Still believe that, Greg? Yeah, it happens every fucking day. That's great. Sean O'Mara, the fact that NHL Gritty, I'm sorry, Gritty, I just, sorry, Slack's going crazy, that Gritty hasn't mauled a fan yet, at least not that we know of. I don't think, I think Gritty is a creature of light. He's peaceful. Yeah. Justin Browning, I haven't watched a bad game yet, has been a surprise.

I watched a little bit more hockey. Yeah. Where's he, where's he, where's he tweeting from? He's tweeting from like Nashville or something, right? It does make me curious. I can't tell. Not a script. Not a script.

Jeremiah was a frog, writes, and the Canadians are fun to watch. I agree with that. Jeremiah was a... Chubs writes in that Ovechkin and Company didn't start the season hungover, literally, and figuratively. I don't know. Have you checked out Andre Berakoski stuff? And Dimitri Orloff as well. Man, those two guys are off to pretty bad fucking starts. Ping-Pong Bundy.

That's a hell of the name. It's a good name. Surprised you weren't truculent enough to take on that hobo that disrupted the previous podcast. Oh, God. I forgot about that. Yeah. The podcast of a thousand locations before we started doing them here. We were at the carousel. Oh, the guy that ran out of us.

Yeah. You were confused because we called. call them homeless people here or not hobo. Like he came over to us and tried to hit us with his stick with a kerchief on the end of it. I thought he was doing a Merrick Wischinsky bit. I didn't understand what he meant. And then he hopped on a train and left. There was a dog, though, wasn't it?

Wasn't the hobo thing from the... The Flul's hobo was a dog. It's one of the greatest moments in history of podcasting. Phil Glass, that you haven't done a bit where Crosby asked Linae, how many Stanley Cups and Olympic medals his grandfather won. How many Olympic... gold medals and Stanley Cup so there's your grandfather won

you know he not win any of those because when he played hockey there was no Olympics but one day my grandfather invented the Olympics and said we should play hockey at the Olympics but he never played because he just wanted to see his idea grow and

he never won a Stanley Cup because he loved Finland so much he never wanted to leave it makes sense you know I sometimes wish that you know, that Olimata had followed that advice. Wow. Wow, we're taking shots at beautiful Olimata.

A great teammate, very vital to our Cup championships, but at the same time, you know, we would be appraised reliability and frowned upon inconsistency. Wow. Didn't you miss a lot of time with injuries too, Sid? I feel like you're really projecting here. That's why I feel that, you know, as far as career accolades go,

that points per game is probably the measure of greatness. So you think Mario's better than Gretzky? You feel like if Mario could I just play more games, be considered the one Gretzky? Oftentimes I would be sleeping in Mario's wine cellar where my bed was and he would open the door and he would say, hey, hey, Sid.

I'm like, hey, Mr. Lemieux. And he would say... You didn't call Mario? No, he didn't have that kind of relationship. I still don't. He's my owner. I respect your owner. And he says to me, he's like,

like, they're in Gretzky, right? And I'm like, of course. I never said to Wayne, though, in person. I respect your elders. Wow. But, yeah, points per game. Which motto is still in Finland in summary. Jesus.

Peter says, I'm surprised that Patrick Lainey hasn't released a Pulitzer-winning novel yet. What does that even mean? Lainey had a hat trick today in Finland, which is pretty fun. Squared the last two goals? Yeah, it's good for him. There should be more games like that, just in the middle of the day. I don't know where. Oh, we didn't talk about that.

That's actually interesting. The NHL said that they apparently shifted a bunch of games from the night. I'm sorry. Did you forget what nighttime was called? I just got a text from my mom on the computer spring, which is really weird. Moving games from sunless. What's it called when the moon's up? Ah, moon time.

I don't know. From nighttime to the afternoon on the weekends, so the Europeans can watch them. That was a report that Sports Business Journal had. Oh, yeah. That's a smart idea, right? Also, there should be more afternoon hockey. But during the week, though, you're saying, and I agree.

I mean, like, it's not like baseball where you do it with getaway days, but yeah, like, it's just nice flipping out of a game at, like, 3 o'clock. My dream is still that the NHL does the thing where the first day of the playoffs, the first game's at, like, noon. And you just play throughout the whole day. to make the first day of the playoffs like a huge celebration. Yeah, but they have to start on the weekend then. No, fuck it.

Doing it during the week. I mean, yeah, half is wrong. Make sure you pick the city where people are going to ditch work to go watch a hockey game, like Boston. So I was going to say Canada somewhere, but yeah, yeah. I'm in. Or Canada. I'm in, man. You're not going to sell me on random afternoon sporting events during the week.

Nelho writes in that the habs are an absolute undeniable disaster. And as a fan, I wanted them to be because I wanted to Molson the Fire Berzivan. Now I'm totally perplexed. Yeah, it is a bit of a head scratcher now. And finally, Art McRoss writes in that the LA Kings are a dumpster fire. Yeah, I'm surprised. They were surprised as well. All right. That's a show for this week. We need to go so somebody in this room can drop some kids off at the pool. I mean, you've been talking about poop since you got here, so you put it on the brain.

Yeah, poop on the brain. Yeah. There it is. I'm Greg Wischinsky, the ESPN. You can read my stuff at Wasinski or on ESPN.com, where by the time you read this, there's going to be a fun story that Lozo contributed to about a Nintendo ice hockey versus Blades of Steel, the 30th anniversary of those games. I can't reveal my choice here because that would ruin the bit. But yeah, you know me. I write for Always Late with Katie Nolan, ESPN Plus. You should check it out. Good stuff this week, as always. but um oh man my stomach yeah that's it

I'm done all right we'll talk to you guys next week thanks and uh and oh check out the mailbag on the patreon and thanks to everybody who has subscribed to the patreon for such great features such as the mailbag all right take care do do do do do sticks and hits and goals and saves and slapshots and goons we've got sportly commentary to what if you commute but we also cover movies TV shows it's and tunes It's your weekly bowl of hockey and nonsense

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