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Episode Date: September 5, 2023

You get your soup early this week, as Sean and Ryan talk about the Sheldon Keefe extension, national TV schedules, and bring back a classic game.   Sponsored by Factor (factormeals.com/puck50), Athletic Greens (athleticgeens.com/puck), Raycon (buyraycon.com/puck), Hatch (hatch.co/puck) and Gametime (download the Gametime app and use code PUCK for $20 off)

Sticks and hits and goals and saves and slapshots and goons. We've got sportly commentary to what if you commute. But we also cover movies, TV shows, it's and tunes. It's your weekly bowl of hockey and nonsense. I'm Ryan Lambert from EP Rinkside. I am Sean McAnneux from The Athletic. And, well, in September. We made it.

Hell yeah. Now, I don't know about you, but when it turns September, that's what it's all about for me. I fucking hate August. Yeah. See, I like the summer because my kids are off school. I'm partially off work. This is our time to go and do fun stuff. So I'm always a bit bummed at the end of the summer.

but weather-wise, September is so much better. Oh, my God. Although, we're having this heat wave right now, so I don't know. Usually the thing has been in Ottawa, at least, like Labor Day comes and goes, and then it immediately turns into fall weather. Right.

And I guess we missed a memo because we're going to be in August weather all week. Yeah, that's what they call that season creep. Is that what that is? Yeah. All right. It's, uh, where it's like, oh, it's summer for two, for weirdly longer than you remember in being, you know. Yeah. When I was a kid, like we would go to, like, uh, Maine for vacation, like, uh, Labor Day weekend, you know, just like three or four days, but my uncle had a cabin on a lake up there. And when, and when I was a kid, legitimately like you, you would go, I don't think I can go swimming today. Water's too cold. You know? Yep.

now it's 85 degrees out or whatever. Feels bad. Yeah. Yeah, I don't like this. No. But we're close to hockey season, kind of. Like, is this, people start coming back from wherever they went from August? Training camps open in like two weeks, yeah.

Really? Wow. Yeah. I think it's the 15th. Boy. Pretty much every year. All right. I don't know off the top of my head when the first, like, game on the schedule is.

I know when I'm, when I was looking up for news or whatever yesterday, because, you know, it's summer. I got to do a podcast, but there's just not a lot going on. First game of the regular season seems to be Tuesday, October 10th. That sounds right. So a scosh more than a month, a little about five weeks out. We're getting there.

But, like, you know, those games in Australia, those are coming up in like two and a half, three weeks, I think. All right. King's Coyotes. Boy, if that's not going to get the Aussies on board, huh? Sending them are very, very best. A good but boring team and the worst team you can imagine. That's right.

You guys love this shit down there? You guys ready for expansion? And they're looking at all the guys. They got little knives on their feet, and they're going, that's not a knife, you know? That's exactly it. Yep. Classic joke.

But yeah, Like, that's coming up really soon. And there was a quote from Bill Daly on on NHL.com about like, would you do regular season games in Australia? And he was like, let's see how it goes with the preseason games first. Maybe maybe we'll make a big decision on that. That would be very fun. Some team go out there for a two game series and then have like 19 days off when they get back.

I volunteer. There's a. I volunteer with senators to do it. Yeah. Everybody comes back with accents for some reason. Yeah. That's right. A lot of deadly snakes on that island.

Yeah. Look out down there. That's all I'm saying. Coyotes? Look, there are a lot of deadly snakes in the desert, or probably some at least. Heal monsters, you know. Giant spiders, I've been told. Yeah, I don't want to go to us

Why I'm not in a rush to get there Yeah Plus the, you know, the Simpsons episode Water flows backwards or whatever Yeah, exactly I don't want to get involved in all that Crazy Nothing good has ever come out of Australia

It's just Now hold on a second What about Mad Max? I stand corrected Yep, there you go Yep. Did you find any news, by the way, when you were looking for news?

Or are we just... I found some stuff that's like adjacent to news. You want to talk about that? Yes, let's do that. Okay. Well, let me lead off with this, brother. The fifth thing on the NHL website, like under headlines, is that Matt Boldie did not make the cut in a PGA pro-am.

Oh, boy. Yeah, that's right. You got thoughts on that? You got any... Now, look, you know I'm a big golf head. Yeah. I love golf. I'm always trying to get out there,

see who gets the holes in one, whatever have you. Yeah, that's big. Oh, did that guy make par on this hole? That's me. Every Sunday, all year long. Now, to see Matt Boldie not make the cut? Oh, that hurts.

Yeah. That's... disappointing. But you know what? I don't see any PGA golfers trying out for NHL teams. So just wait, man. It's going to happen one of these days.

That's right. They'll just come in and absolutely crush it. Damn. John Daly shows up and just rolls over the league. First guy to smoke on the ice since like 1987. Pretty cool. But yeah. that's how bad things are.

So let's go with one that's one slot above that on the NHL.com headlines section. Sheldon Keefe got two more years out of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Now, do you know anything about this team? I've heard of them. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, I mean, hey, when things are working, man, you don't mess with success.

Yeah. My initial reaction was, well, he earned it, you know. Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, if they're going to keep the entire core of the roster together, I think everyone was saying, you know, that's great, but will the coach who never, ever, ever gets the most out of this group, can we give him three more shots? And it's pretty exciting.

I don't know. Like this nonsense about like you, I got to say, I respect the hell out of coaches, you know, coming off of this Labor Day weekend as the pro workers that we are. The fact that they manage to collectively pull this scam on their bosses that they just can't do their job if they only have one year left on their contract. Yeah, that's right. Is fantastic. I love this idea that, oh, only one year of job security. I can't possibly be expected to do this. So, you know, it's the usual thing.

He was heading into the last year of a contract. It is a two-year extension, which isn't huge. It is, as always, it's the Toronto Maple Leafs. They have more money than anyone else. So if they decide to make a change, they're still going to go ahead and do it. I'm not sure it adds any actual job security. It's financial security, but it doesn't add any job security necessarily. But it just continues to send the message that they're, I mean, how many of us wrote the piece last spring going, well, I mean, they can't run it back again.

There's just no way. They're going to finally have to change something. And I guess they made the weird GM change. other than that, why mess with what's working? Yeah, and look, like, I just wrote about the, okay, so I forgot to say off the top, we're recording this on Monday, September 4th, because I'm leaving the country, basically right after we stopped recording on this. So, like, when you hear this on Tuesday or when it's, I don't know when it's getting posted,

but whenever it gets posted, when you hear this, you can go read my article about this, but I wrote this yesterday of, yeah, I kind of suspected this was coming just because, like, they didn't fire him. Yeah. Because like you said, you cannot let,

I think maybe in Arizona or, you know, Columbus, you could maybe get away with, well, we're going to let the coach enter the last year of his contract and whatever happens, happens. You know, these are teams with lower stakes that don't have a ton of people covering the team, sticking a microphone in people's faces every day. The people covering the Leafs all know that they can still fire the coach any time they want. Like, is this really? Yes, no, it is because. If the Leaf starts like 3 and 10, is anybody going to be like, boy, it's a good thing he got that extension because.

No, but what I'm saying is if he. didn't get the extension every fucking day just because they want to needle somebody in Toronto every single fucking day they just be like well you won last night feeling good about that contract extension or well you lost last night what about that contract extension you know like yeah you that's just how it is in that town like these these people are jackals that cover the leaps on a daily basis right so just to just to like get out in front of the hell. after this show airs, all right. Yeah, sure.

Well, and it's funny, those people will never text me, you know? I'll pass on your number, I think. Go for it. I don't care. Nobody ever comes to me. Wow, that thing you said, I don't agree with it. It's always like going to someone I know being like, what's that all about? I'm an open book, maybe.

And also, I'm like 30% kidding. Yeah. relax you can guess which 30% but that's right um but but no honestly like in Toronto there are there are certainly some people whose thing is like well I'm just gonna poke and prod and be a pain in the ass to people and see what happens you're gonna tell me that's wrong please um but like that's why they got the, well, I mean, that's not the only reason they got the Matthews extension done nice and early. That's why they want to get the William Nealander extension done nice and early. And a year from now, it's why they're going to want to get the Mitch Martyr extension done

nice and early. We don't have to pretend like this is some kind of a mystery. Oh, why'd they do this now? Well, I mean, obviously. But, I mean, the difference to me is you get Matthews done as soon as you can because if you don't, he might leave. Like what's Sheldon, what's the worry here? Like Sheldon Keith is going to leave as a free agent next summer?

Sure. No, of course. Like, to me, it's just a hockey thing. I think he's a good coach. If he left the Leafs and got hired somewhere else and fans of that team were like, hey, should we be happy?

Should we be? I'd say, yeah, go ahead and hire Sheldonke. I think he's, you know, he's a good young coach, obviously room to improve, but I got to say as a Lee fan, I just, I am completely done with watching this team, not show up on time, you know, come out on a, you know, being down 2-0-0 series, you're up to two goals early in a game, and then you just, just completely collapse to start the second period, like completely not ready to go.

And just watching Sheldon Keith, night after night, get up and give that same press conference. Oh, gosh, I don't know. I don't know why we weren't ready. I don't know why we didn't start on time. I don't know why. Whoever's job that is is really not. I don't know why the effort wasn't there.

I don't know why we got outworked. I don't know why this and that. And like how many times, man? And I know, like in Toronto, they talk a good game about, hey, it's all about what we do in the playoffs. It's all about this or that. The whole saying on the dressing room wall, defeat does not rest lightly on their shoulders. Seems to rest pretty lightly.

I've got to be honest with you. Seven years of defeat seems to be resting pretty smoothly because absolutely nobody gets held accountable. including Kyle Dubas because remember Brett and Shanahan in his whole weird press conference said he decided to extend Kyle Dubas. Yeah. He was going to keep him.

And then things went off the rail for weird reasons. But Kyle Dubus wasn't, didn't get fired for lack of success or anything like that. He was getting extended. And, uh, you know, all the players get raises and we move on. Let's try it again. Well, here's the thing. Very excited about this season, man.

I can't wait. Six months. No, they have Ryan Reeves. It's going to be, they're all set. There's accountability. Meaningless hockey. Six months of watching John Klingberg, give the puck away, and hearing about how they really need Eric Good Branson.

Can't wait. It's going to be fantastic. Yeah. Now, the other thing I said in my article is any time I'm, I'm talking about firing a coach. And usually I'm talking about I'm shocked that this team fired this coach when I say this sort of thing. But I'm legitimately asking,

who out there that's a legitimate candidate for this job? Meaning like, they're not going to hire, like if Sheldon Keefe goes, they weren't going to just like hire an assistant coach or promote their HL guy or whatever. Like with the way things are around this team, you need like a veteran, coach who's got like a proven track record or whatever, I would think.

And who out there fits that bill? Yeah. And it's it's fair to an extent. But first of all, I mean, if they'd fired them at the end of the playoffs, there were guys. Yeah, but then you're like, oh, Peter Lavillette's going to fucking turn the Leafs around. Well, there is that, right? I mean, you could end up in the situation the Rangers did where, you know,

You make a big gutsy move and then maybe wind up with the drive. I mean, General Galant turned out to be available. You know, the guys who were hired this year. And, you know, as far as going into this season, who's going to be available if you fire Sheldon Keefe in November? hard to say. They do have Guy Boucher as on the staff now, who is kind of the, I guess, head coach in waiting as an experienced veteran guy.

But yeah, I mean, it's a fair question. But I don't know. I don't think the bar is all that high given that it seems to me to be very clear that Schelling Keefe just cannot flip the switch on this team. Totally. Whatever is going. Maybe nobody can.

Maybe that dress. dressing room is, you know, maybe Ryan O'Reilly ran crying out of Toronto for all the right reasons because this this team really is a mess. But it's very, I mean, I was done with Sheldon Keith game one of the playoffs when after

six months of a regular season, that everybody agreed meant nothing. Nobody cared what happened. As long as the Leafs made the playoffs, nothing mattered until the the playoffs. And after, you know, after yet another disappointing playoff loss, they're facing the same team that knocked them out the year before. And they go out game one on home ice and just absolutely crap the bed. Just look totally unprepared, totally uninterested. And Shelton keeps standing around hands in his pockets. Like, whose job was this again?

Right. Yeah. And then he gets up there at the end of, oh yeah, we should really hire someone whose job is to, I don't know, like coach these guys into whatever. And, and I mean, you sit there and you look at that as a fan and go, that's totally unacceptable, but apparently it is acceptable. Apparently, we've all decided to accept it, or at least the decision makers in Toronto. So I don't know, man. Look, I was out in front, like, I said they should have fired him, not like this season that just ended. like ended four months ago.

I was saying that last year. Like this guy, this guy's got to fucking go. Like, he just doesn't have any. I said it before. I'll say it again. Like when he was like,

oh yeah, but we got a lot of respect in the line that time. Like, that to me, I'm, that guy, the big carnival.

I am launching him into outer space. Yeah. I'm like, what are we talking to? You say something like that to me. Get out of here. Loser mindset.

We're never going to win with your ass. period. Now again, you can go, oh, well, the playoffs are super random, you know, like, you just need X number of kicks at the can at it. But it's like, I find as I get a little older and, you know, the, the analytics side of me, I'm going more vibes based than I ever, like, you know, I'm still obviously looking up XG percentages and all that shit. But it is a little more vibes based for me. And I just look at Sheldon Keefe and go, well, the vibes are insanely bad. Like, man, when they cut to him on the bench.

When he like mildly criticized Mitch Marner and then like had to walk it back the next day. Yep. But yeah, again, during the playoffs. He said. I would have definitely walked away from my million dollar once in a lifetime job. That said the podcaster. What a mess. But yeah, when they cut to him on the bench during the playoffs

And he just had this look on his face like, ah, shit. Yep. Again, just totally vibes-based, I would have been like, We're actually firing you in the middle of this game. I don't need to see anymore. Two more years, baby. Yeah, again, I'm sitting here going like, what did we expect? And now, like, we're criticizing this.

But who has a better track record? of hiring coaches than Brad Trill Living. Maybe we bring you... Hall of Famers. Sutter's available. Hall of Famers, right? Yeah. Glenn Gulletzons.

Oh, yeah. Jeff Ward. Now people say Bill Peters, and we'll talk about that in a second. But Bill Peters, like, at the time, that was seen as a good hire by everybody, and when he was actually the coach of that team, they were pretty good.

Now, there are other problems with that. A higher, obviously, holes in the vetting process, as you might say. But like, so like, you know, but just the fact that he went, I looked it up yesterday. He went through four coaches in six years when he was the GM of the Flames. And now they're on their fifth and seven, I guess. I guess my, the last thing I'll say on this is I do get, I was making fun of it a little bit, but I do get the idea that as a coach, you want some security. you don't want to go in.

It might be uncomfortable to go into a season knowing it's your last year. Sure. Could we maybe make somebody in Toronto feel uncomfortable? Like, is that maybe okay? Like, the players, good Lord, are treated so wonderfully. They get whatever contracts they want, they get, you know, everything is controlled, and they are protected and all of this stuff. it's considered, you know, just the absolute model organization in terms of being comfortable for players.

Yeah. And I got to say, man, when the chips are down to the play, they look like a pretty comfortable team. Could we just maybe have, like, introduce a little bit of tension? Could we maybe, you know, maybe we just don't tell everyone that William Nealander is not going to be traded. Maybe we say maybe he will be traded. that makes him feel a little bit uncomfortable, then okay. You know, I don't know. I'm trying to, I'm trying to say this in a way that doesn't make me sound like the old man

who's like, you know, oh, these pampered kids today, you know, back in my day. These freaking Gen Zers. Yeah. Yep. But what I'm saying is everyone on the Leafs needs to put their phones down and be more present. I know that's right. Super hype for this Leaf season. Can't wait.

six months of just pretending to care about anything happening with this team. I, okay, let me ask you this. Let me, let me, we'll wrap on this question. Do you think there is anything that can happen this season now, now that the extension is signed? Anything that can happen at all for him to get fired? Yep. I do think that pretty much anything that would,

have led to him being fired, you know, it probably turns the temperature on his hot seat down a degree or two. And certainly, you know, if they were to give him this extension and then fire him in the first week in November, that looks bad on everyone involved. But no, I mean, if this, certainly if they're at any risk of being in the playoff. off bubble mix, which I think is legitimately possible. Sure. Yeah, I think they absolutely could make a move. Remember how Martin Jones is the backup goalie for them this year?

Well, he's the third string this year. A guy with 17 career games is the backup goalie. Joseph Wool. Elias Samsonov, who was good last year after being so bad that Washington let him walk out the door, even though they desperately need a goaltending. He's the starter. He's going to play 60 games.

Cool. It's going great. I can't imagine anything that could go wrong, this Leafs team. John Klingberg, Jake McCabe, Max Domey. Yeah. Ryan Reeves.

Hell yeah. Let's go. As long as, you know, that core, for as long as those guys never get injured, the way that's mostly been the case. You know, like nobody gets, like, breaks a leg and misses three months because that doesn't happen. We turned injuries off, so it's fine. They're only $13.5 million over the cap right now, so nothing to worry about it.

Yeah, it's fine. All right. We mentioned, I just mentioned it a few minutes ago. Bill Peters got a job coaching the Lethbridge Hurricanes of the WHL. It seems like because the owner of that team, I used to be on a team with him or something like that. I would assume that's what's good. As soon as I heard that, I'm like, well, there's got to be some connection.

Because as many people have asked, and it's a completely fair question, why would you hire him out of all the coaches that are out there, knowing what it's going to look like? Even if you feel that he is the single best coach who is available to you? Sure. What's the gap between him and number two before you're thinking this might not be a good idea? Because I got to say, the look was not great when they made the move and certainly coming out of that press conference.

And obviously with the Kimeloo speaking out and everything that went with that, I don't know. I definitely think if at some point in the process somebody was like, you know what, I bet you we can kind of sneak this through without looking too bad. Mm-hmm. Did not work out that way. It did not. The only, look, I think the Akeem-A-Lu response or whatever you want to call it that he posted on Twitter to this is telling, right?

Where, like, I haven't heard from this guy this whole time. and then like this week, a current NHL head coach reached out to like try to bridge the gap or whatever. Yep. And he was like, okay, it seems like he doesn't actually care. He just wants me to sign off on it so he can get a new job without people being mad about it. Yeah, 100%. I mean, that's clearly what is happening.

And Peters was asked about that at the press conference and he gave some answer about how you know, he still felt like he had worked to do and he was working through some process and felt that, you know, that that conversation, which even if you want to take that at face value, then like, okay, then you're, if you're still working through the process, then maybe you're not ready to coach again. Yeah, maybe work through it then. But, yeah, and it's just, it's, it's, it is worth remembering if people, you know, people, I'm sure, recall. called the story that he used a racial slur against Akimaloo in the dressing room. Apparently, in response to, like, music that was playing, what have you? And obviously, that's any normal person would feel like I was abhorrent and, you know, a firing offense and what have you.

But I know there are some people would say, hey, it was X number of years ago. if the guy made a mistake, if it was just a temporary dumb moment, it's not just that. It's that then the feeling, certainly, for Akeem-A-Lu, was that Bill Peters, knowing he had screwed up, just kind of started blackballing him out of, you know, pushing him out of the lineup, out of the team. Yep.

And as he pointed out in one of the statements, he put out, Akeem-A-Lew said, like there's like five people who were involved in that team at the time who went on to become NHL GMs right and work in NHL front offices so that's like like a quarter of the league a fifth of the league believed that I was like a problem kid that I was a bad guy because you know his feeling is that Bill Peters sort of poisoned the well to rather than actually trying to make good on his own mistake. He just sort of turned it into, let's get a Kimaloo out of hockey.

So it's pretty ugly stuff. And again, I mean, we've talked in other scenarios. I'm probably more than most on the, you know, I do believe in second chances. I do believe in, you know, people making amends. I do believe in people getting better. I think that people can be dumb and then later be not as dumb. I'm all for that. But in this case, it very clearly has not happened.

It's very clear here that all that happened was Bill Peters and friends waited until enough time had passed. that they figured it was okay to just get back to business as usual. And I guess they were right, because he's got a job now. Yep. I think this thing from Alu is right on, and you kind of alluded to it. He says in his statement, I'm all about second chances, but only if they're sincere. and this doesn't feel sincere to him, doesn't feel sincere to me,

or else it would have happened, you know, before the guy seemed to already have a job offer on the table. And it didn't need to be going public at all, like he could have reached out to him privately or whatever, or, you know, through an intermediary. And he didn't do it. So, yeah, that's that, that's that, I would say. I don't have a ton of,

else to say about it. This is, you know, just more evidence that, like, a lot more work needs to be done and you can put together your diversity committees, like, at the league level and all that kind of stuff, but teams are still going to do what they want to do, and nobody really has any authority to do anything about it at the end of the day. So we'll see. We will see. Not a great situation to wrap up the off season here.

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precursor to what then became the Caril Caprizov story. So if it sounds familiar, we're now on to chapter two, I guess. And this is, hey, look, you do the first chapter, you set the stage, second chapter, you heighten it a little bit. Here it is. Again, he has a contract with the Flyers. And he's like, no, I'm actually going to stay in Russia. I'm going to play for Siska Moscow, despite being under contract with the Flyers, which

the IHF was like, yeah, you can't do that. And the KHL was like, yeah, here's the thing. Sure we can. Yep. And they can't based on all the agreements that are in place, what it sounds like. Because, I mean, I'm trying to follow this story, but obviously it's a little bit confusing. I have not seen anything where the Russian side is trying to make a case of, you know, hey, this contract allows for this, or there is some loophole, or they're just saying, like, no, screw you. This is our goalie and we're going to.

They're actually, they are making a claim that there's something that isn't on the up and up with the IHF. I'll read the statement from KHL President Alexi Morozov, who you might remember, he used to play for like the penguins and stuff. This guy's the KHL president. Okay. The Cisco team applied for the match and included Ivan Fed. This is from the Philadelphia Inquirer. It seems like it's like a Google Translate thing.

The Cisco team applied for the match and included Ivan Fedatov in the list to participate in the match. The KHL accepted the application. The application went through the CIB database. So he will take part in the match. The KHL and the club do not agree with the IHF decision. And this is the important part, which infringes on the constitutional right of a citizen of the Russian Federation to work. The general prosecutor's office of the. Russian Federation came out in defense of the player and sent a warning to the Russian

ice hockey federation the club and the league about the inadmissibility uh yeah inadmissibility that's right of violating the right to work and ordered Fedatov to be allowed to participate in the competition uh as you know today Cisco uh filed an appeal with the IAHF lawyers will investigate and make a decision um so that's all going on. And as Sean mentioned, there's like a transfer agreement between the NHL and the KHL. If he's under NHL contract,

he's not supposed to be able to play in KHL unless otherwise, like agreed upon, the Flyers are like, we'd really like to have that player and the KHL's going. Yeah, we'd all like a lot of things, I guess. And on the surface, it seems like the player wants to be in the KHL, but we don't,

necessarily know that for sure. Yep. And there's a lot of stuff about people going like, oh, you know, uh, Putin is turning the screws here. And it, you know, who knows?

But this is the kind of thing that will certainly lend itself to that kind of conspiracy theory. Um, it's, it's really strange. The guy didn't play at all last year. the IAAHF ruled that he should be able to play in North America and apparently if CISCA is appealing the decision maybe they can like credibly claim that while

we're waiting here he should be able to play for us maybe they can make that claim I'm not a lawyer I don't I don't know how the IHF's transfer agreements work and all that sort of thing but it's really strange and not hard to see how this could lead to problems on both sides of this agreement, right? I mean, there's already people saying like, well, hey, wait a second, if the KHL doesn't have to honor their agreements in terms of the flyers, then maybe the flyers don't have to honor any agreements with the KHL. And maybe that means that means that means that.

So this is... Certain Russian prospects could just come on over. Well, so this is the other thing. The deeper in the article, it says, The ultimate resolution of Fedatab's situation will have a major long-term impact on KHL-NHL relations. The KHL and NHL previously had a memorandum of understanding that required each league to respect the other players' contracts. That memorandum was suspended in March 2022 after Russia's initial. invasion of Ukraine, but both the NHL and KHL have acted in good faith with each other's contracts

since. With Cisco Moscow challenging the Flyers and the IAHF, that good faith seems to have run out, and NHL teams with players in the KHL will be paying very close attention. And then this is maybe the more interesting part. I mean, again, this guy would maybe be the backup goalie for the Flyers this year. The Flyers have several players in Russia, including Fedatov and 2023. number seven overall pick, Matt Vei Michkov,

who's playing for St. Petersburg. And a goaltender, Alexei Kolosov, who's playing for Dinamo Mitzk. Mischkov obviously signed for several, a few more seasons at least. And Kolesov is currently on loan to Minsk after having

signed with the flyers this summer. So, uh, People are going, well, they should just get Mischkov out of Russia then. He was famously a healthy scratch in his first game of the season for St. Petersburg, and they were playing like a 17-year-old kid over him as the 13th forward. But who knows? Who knows what's going on?

It's a really weird, like, kind of uncharted waters situation. and maybe you would say not something we've seen since they had to like sneak of Genie Malkin out of Russia. Right. For people who remember that, like 2005 saga. I want to say he like literally ran away from his team in an airport or something like that. I don't remember all the details, but it was a crazy story at the time. Yeah. So I don't know.

I have nowhere near the knowledge to know. where this goes next other than it certainly seems to be worth paying attention to following. Yeah, like the article says. This is... If the KHL is just like, yeah, we don't have to do any of that shit anymore, all the teams of like drafted players playing in Russia, it becomes a lot trickier for them to maybe bring those players over or not, you know, who knows? but like I said earlier,

like this opens up a lot of conspiracy theory possibilities that could be true, quite frankly. I don't know what's going on, you know? But it's, we just haven't seen something like this

in hockey for quite a while. Yeah. You know, we love reboots, don't we? Sure. We love to the nostalgia, everything. It's just, you know,

I haven't had a new Spider-Man in a while Let's do this one instead Yeah, there was only one like two, three months ago, right? Yeah, well, yeah, exactly I'm sitting here going, what's that a Spider-Man movie coming out? They didn't even end the last one, they just said the movie's over, go home.

I don't know if you saw Into the Spider-Verse or whatever this one was called. I did see it, actually. Yeah. It's quite good. Remember that? Two and a half hours in there were just like, okay, that's it, see you.

Yeah. Come. really? See us next year for part two. At least at the end of like fellowship at the ring like Borremere dies, you know? Dude. How does that fucking happened in this movie? Spoiler.

I didn't watch that one yet. Well, when that book come out like 1952? Yeah. I'm busy, okay? It's on my list. Fair enough. But yeah, that's a really weird situation. We'll see.

But oh, the very funny thing about the end of this article. For the time being, it is unclear whether Fetitav will come over to North America this season. The Flyers have a logjam of NHL caliber goalies with Hart, Carter Hart, of course. Samuel Erson, I don't know who that is, Cal Peterson, NHL caliber, it says here. Okay, and Felix Sandstrom, logjam, it says that. Now who's lying? Now who's not acting in good faith? We're going to say those four guys are NHL caliber goalies?

Come on now. Cal Peterson? The Kings are, they're going to be starting like Cam Talbot for 50 games next season. And they were like, get this guy out of here. We're going to be saying, Cal Peterson's in the NHL. Come on now. That's going to. Mitchcoff not in the lineup again today.

Wow. Just came through. Again, just came through on this Monday morning that's, boy, I tell you, we talk about the puck soup curse of like, we finish recording and news drop. drops. Yeah. This is setting up for an all-timer. Like, oh my God, yeah. Between now and when this episode airs, there's going to be two huge trades.

The World Junior report is going to finally drop, and Sheldon Keith will be fired somehow. Yeah, and one of the planes taking like the coyotes to Australia will be doing the lost. Like, they'll fly over the lost island. Yeah. exactly I almost went with a Langalear's reference and I was like you know what I don't know if that's going to hit quite as hard as

Probably wouldn't have no Yeah Did you watch that? Were you a lost guy? I was a lost guy Mad is an overstatement I would say I was Like that's it huh

Not mad just disappointed Yeah that's right And then in retrospect you're like Oh they had no fucking idea what they were doing Okay I'm less mad about it now And I'm sure if I went back And watched every rotten episode of lost

Like all 175 of them Or whatever they did I would be like Oh there's still some really good stuff here But you know I was a guy I instantly loved that Sopranos ending You know like you don't need to have like the most

Crowd pleasing ending of all time for me to be like Great perfect I love it I'm on board You know You know what I never watched the Sopranos Is it? No That can't be true.

I never watched it. But I am totally confused by the confusion over that ending. To me, that ending is like the most unambiguous, obvious, like, what they were attempting to portray. I'm with you, brother. And it confuses me a lot that, like, people to this day are just debating it. Now, here's the thing, though, like, people are stupid. Okay, yep, good. A good, and specifically a good percentage of the Sopranos audience at the time was like dumb guys who was like, ah, this is a common refrain among, uh, among Sopranos people or like, you know, self-described Sopranos fans at the time.

Less yak and more whacking. They wanted, they wanted the guys getting killed by the, they didn't want Tony sitting around like talking about his dreams or whatever, you know? Okay. And so like those people are just dumb. I don't, you know, like the shows, yeah, it's, it's about the mafia, but it's like not about the mafia, you know? It's like a vehicle to tell different kinds of stories, the mafia stuff. Sure. And people didn't give a shit about that.

Like professional critics were like, wish these guys would stop talking and start shooting people. Yes. I'm not joking. Generally speaking is is not a bad philosophy for In life, yeah, I agree. Or in life, but Shoot first, ask questions later, that's what I always say.

I just, I don't, again, as somebody who was not at all invested in that show, but you couldn't, like, you know, the finale, obviously, you understood what was going on, you know, that that was a big story and everything. Like, my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, my understanding is earlier in that season,

Yep. There's like a scene where like two characters are like, what do you think happens when you die? And somebody's like, I think everything just goes black. Yeah, like, oh, so everything goes black when you die. He's like, yes, when you die, everything goes black. And then like one or two episodes before the finale, they did a flashback of that conversation. Yeah, this is all correct. Just to remind you, when you die, everything goes black.

and then the the thing ends where the whole thing going into the finale was Tony gonna die and Tony is sitting there and then everything goes black and people are like

well that could mean anything maybe the show just ended it's a mystery okay I'm just making sure I'm clear and like in the years since David Chase is kind of like not even vaguely alluded to oh yeah

the scene where Tony gets whacked yeah yeah okay All right. Just making sure we're on the same page. That's good. Can I make a small suggestion of you, Sean? Sure. Watch the whole fucking show. It's incredible. I rewatched during the pandemic. I hadn't seen it since it was on the air. And frankly, it was, I enjoyed it at the time. I really liked it a lot.

This bumped it up like two slots for me of best TV show in the history of television. Really? It's unbelievable. Not, look, I'm not saying every episode's great. I'm not saying every storyline I love or anything like that. that, but taken as a whole to like 58 or 60 episodes, whatever it is, you're, you're going to be hard for us to spend a better 58 or 60 hours of TV. Okay. It's, I'm not, that's not a novel thing to say, obviously. Uh, but it's, it's really, really, really good.

And, uh, Alan Seppinwall's companion book that like, you know, I, how I watched it was, would watch like three or four episodes and then read three or four chapters of the book because every chapter is like you know we're covering this episode today um it's awesome it's so sick uh there's there's i can't i can't give it higher praise that it's the best tv show ever total one million percent worth your time okay we'll file that and then and then you can watch out the many saints of newark after that and be like um well okay there i guess there's a reason and this guy's not a filmmaker usually. Better, the better than people give it credit for,

but like, you know, not as good as you wanted it to be. Okay, some other news here. The NHL's national U.S. TV schedule came out. Last week, I think. Yeah, last week. Is this when we're all supposed to get really mad about which teams did and didn't get to be on TV? Well, there's two ways to be mad about it. Great.

You're either going, I'm so mad my team isn't on TV. I'm the Columbus Blue Jackets where we have zero games on national TV this year. I'm pissed. Yeah. We don't get the respect we deserve as one of the worst fucking teams you can ever watch in recent hockey memory. Yep. Or you can go the other way. You're the Colorado Avalanche.

You have more games on national TV. and any other team in the league. And you're pissed. You're like, I want to watch the local broadcast. Oh, is that a thing? Okay. Yeah. Now, maybe not The Avalanche,

because famously that's just like not a good broadcast. Okay. It's very tough to watch. But like the Penguins and the Bruins and Vegas all have 13, uh, 13 games each on national TV. And, uh,

people like those broadcast in those markets. You know, outside of Boston, maybe people aren't so jazzed about Jack Edwards. But like Pittsburgh, I didn't really put this on the outline, but I don't know if you saw the Fenway Sports Group basically bought their regional sports network there. Okay. And are making it like basically the Penguins version of Nesson. Okay.

And made some changes to the broadcast team, but like all the changes were mostly well received, I would say. in Vegas has a great broadcast. So, I can see why people would be like, ah, I kind of wish we got the local broadcast more. But me is a guy who I only get to watch, however many Bruins games are on TV,

because I don't have Nesson in my cable package. Huh? You know, I honestly probably saw like six Bruins games last year. Not a lot. And now they're on TV 13 times. and I don't know, like, I'll say this. For years and years and years,

there were like eight teams that would get on national TV in the U.S. Yes. Basically, everyone in the Metropolitan Division, minus Carolina and Columbus, Boston, Chicago, San Jose, maybe Dallas or Minnesota get mixed in there every once in a while, just if they needed like a Midwest team.

and I think there's a lot more being spread around. Oh, Detroit. I forgot to say Detroit. Of course, they were always on TV. But let's see, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, sixteen, seventeen, seven, seven, teams have at least nine national TV appearances this year in the U.S. That's a good number. That's a good number. Yep.

Yeah. More spread out, including a couple of Canadian teams that are not, I don't think getting quite that many, but are in the mix. Edmonton's getting nine. They're the highest rank in Canadian teams. They absolutely should be, right? I mean, that's the Connor McDavid show. Like, I get why they're not on that much because, you know, obviously you're a U.S. network,

you're looking at ratings and. And they're in a weird time zone for national TV in the U.S. But I think they've got like, They've got their games against Chicago, certainly, and rightly so. And then the Leafs are the other one. I think, yeah, Vancouver has two, and the other Canadian teams have none. Including Montreal, which, you know, may be somewhat surprising, but I mean, Montreal is going to be very bad this year. Yeah, the other four Canadian teams are Calgary, Montreal, Ottawa, and Winnipeg.

You want to watch those teams? On national TV, really? Nope. I guess the Flames are the one team where you're like, it could be interesting this year. Could go either way for them. But the rest of them, like, I'm good. You know, I don't need to watch an Ottawa.

And look, I'm not saying the Ottawa senators aren't fun, but like if it's a choice between them or a bad, like, team with an actual following, like the Flyers who have six games on national TV this year, okay, that's fine, you know. Now, I guess you would say Nashville getting five games. Why? I can't imagine, but. Yeah, I think it's good, though, that they're, it does seem like they're making a more concerted effort to spread it around more.

And all these numbers don't include, like, the ESPN Plus slash Hulu, like, exclusive games. These are just the ones that will be on, like, actual TV. And there are a bunch of Hulu exclusive. The one that kind of did surprise me a little bit was how many Boston games are there. And I know it's a big market, it's a recognizable team, but it really feels like coming out of last season, they're being treated as still a Stanley Cup favorite, where many of the experts, so to speak, don't seem to feel that way. totally yeah um it's interesting because like i said i um i'm gonna try to look this up now but i don't remember last year having like a huge amount of uh brewins games on national tv i'm gonna try to find a list

right here but i i just like i don't remember seeing like oh yeah we you know me the the bruin's we gotta we gotta see uh let's see maybe they had more than i'm i'm remembering three four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven. Yeah, okay, so they had a comparable number last year, I guess. But yeah, I get why they would do it just because, you know, they set the record for best record in the history of the league last year. So I get that, but like you say, like they're going to be worse for sure. But then again, like Pittsburgh's on there 13 times.

Are they going to be all that good? I don't know. Answer me this, because I don't know this, obviously, not being in the U.S. Is there any sort of element of flexing that happens where they can change the natural? I feel like later in the season, like later in the season, I think they might do it a little bit, but I don't seem to recall a ton of it happening last year. Again, like, I watch so many games anyway that, like, oh, this game's on national TV instead. Like, I guess I don't notice that, you know?

Mm-hmm. But I feel like some happens, but maybe not, like, as much as you would think. As much as happens in the NFL, for example. Yeah. Because the NFL, I mean, they only introduced that relatively recently, but that was a big deal when they, you know, they... Last 10 years or something? It's always very funny when they're like, hey, Remember when we thought the Titans were going to be good

We gave you the Sunday night game You're out Bye bye, yeah Here comes to Dallas again By the way The one that's really like I get it but come on man Is Chicago's on national TV 11 times

Yeah But that's no but that's all Connor Bred right Don't we want them Sure That and they're a big market Yeah sure But it's just like man Well them in St. Louis

It's like people are going to be tuning in for 11 blues games, really? That one is more, yeah. That one's dicey. Yeah. I would never have guessed in a million years, though. And I'll leave it at this, I guess. I would never have guessed in a million years that would be a single season where a team in its third year of existence had more games on national TV than the New York Rangers. Yeah.

Seattle. Yeah, the Rangers, 11. Yeah, that is... Oh, Capitals 12. What are we, what? Capital, well, I mean, that's all the Ovechkken Chase, yeah, sure. God, how if Ovechkin gets injured, those are going to be not excellent. But, yeah, that's, yeah, the Kings having 12 games.

I mean, obviously, you want to get the West Coast representation, but, and then the, you know, The other one that's interesting to me a little bit is the devil's showing up a lot. Good, young, exciting team, but what's interesting is eight games on TNT, just three on ABC ESPN. And say Sabres, similar. Seven TNT, just two, ABC ESPN. So I wonder, like, I'm assuming there's some sort of, not like an actual draft, but some sort of bargaining that goes on between the two,

and you can kind of get the feeling that, like, TNT is more in on some of these teams then vice versa. Maybe. Maybe. Yesp. N loves the Maple Leafs. Hey,

how do you not, right? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. If you're just going by ESPN, like Chicago, Seattle,

Vegas, Colorado, and the Leafs are all, are all the most, uh, most gotten teams for that. So it's interesting.

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We played it around this time last year, and it was the last time we played it. This is a game called Best of Seven, and the rules are simple. Me and Sean have a bunch of categories of at least seven things. and for example, like if I said, players named Connor, Sean would have to name four players named Connor before he named four players not named Connor. As though it was a best of seven.

I was like, um, Austin Matthews. And you're like, no. No, that's not right. No, no, no. I think the example we used last year was, uh, players who wore 34 for the Maple Leafs. And there were like 15 and Sean got three of them,

but then. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's just that simple. And each little round is a best of seven. And then the first one to either win or lose four rounds. That's it. That's the person who wins.

So it's a little difficult to explain maybe. But, you know, we can. it becomes apparent when you start playing, I guess. So last time I let Sean have home ice advantage. He got the first two rounds. We're doing this again, like a playoff series. And I'm going to take home ice advantage this time. Sean, why don't you fire some rounds at me here?

All right. So here we go. Let's do this first one. Let me just call it up. but I believe the time frame I was looking for was in the last 10 years. Yep. Please tell me the names of defensemen who were inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame. Oh, shit. Okay.

And I should say on the men's side. Sure. Okay. Let's see here. So going back to and including 2013. Okay. The years I'm not going to be able to. You don't have to get the years. Just the time frame itself.

Right. Sedano Chara. No. Oh, okay. He retired two recently. Sure. Nick Lidstrom. Nick Lidstrom is one.

Chris Pronger. Chris Pronger is two. Um, Scott Niedermeyer? Scott Niedermeyer just gets in. He is 2013. All right. I need one more.

We're a great defenseman of that era. Oh, Sergei Zubov just got it put in. Sergey Zubov, that gets you there. So that's Ryan takes game one. The other names, starting with the most recent Doug Wilson, Kevin Lowe,

Phil Housley, Rob Blake, and Chris Chalios in 2013. That's, sure, he would have played until like 2009, 2009 or whatever. That's right.

All right. Okay, so that's one for you. Now let me find my next one. All right, I want you to give me, um, tell you what, in the cap era.

Okay. I want you to, so going back to 2005, I want you to give me goaltenders who had 20 wins in a season in which they played for more than one team. In the cap era? In the cap era. Basically, we're talking goalies who got traded in the middle of the season. Right. God, I am going to really do badly with this. Andrew Raycroft, I don't think he was traded mid-season.

No, not Andrew Raycroft. That was an off-season trade. Yep, that makes sense. I don't see a ton of goaltender mid-season trades, but there have been... Yeah, how many goalies are on the list? Oh, I've got... Well, I've got... I wrote down at least 10, but I suspect I've got the full list pulled up because I suspect there are others.

Sure. Okay. Traded in mid-season. James Reimer? Uh, no. Christ. Uh, frick. Um.

Think a little more recently. More recent, huh? Oh, uh, Corpusallo, of course. Uh, did Corpusallo have the 20 wins, though? Let me just check that. He must have had 20 wins last year. He had 18 wins last year. God damn it.

He is not on the list. Wow. And I will tell you just to be helpful that Jonathan Quick had 16 wins last year. It wouldn't have even crossed my mind that he got a 20. That is the one thing that helps a little bit on this question is that if you get one, very often goalies are traded for other goalies. Sure, yeah. Tufers here.

Mark Andre Fleury? Mm-hmm. Okay. I'm on the board at least. On the board. Crawling back. Yeah. God, I'm

really struggling here. A recent Hall of Famer. Recent Hall of Famer. Geez. I don't know. I'll just say Martembrador. I'm pretty sure that's wrong. Nope, that is incorrect.

Just to throw out some of the other names, Roberto Luongo Oh sure, of course Jesus There was the Ryan Miller trade Which also involved Yaroslav Halak

Craig Anderson For Brian Elliott Dwayne Rollison I almost said Craig Anderson Yeah, Craig Anderson would have been there Dwayne Rollsson a couple of times

Christobaliki way Oh, Devin Dubnick was another one Yeah, sure Yeah, I'm sure Yeah, all sorts of fun old-timey names. But yeah. So Ryan,

Ryan gets a split on home ice. It's not a series so you lose on home ice, you know. That's right. Okay. My first list, there are eight guys on this list.

Current NHL GMs who did not play at least college hockey, major, junior, like that level of hockey. Okay. Let's start with Kyle Dubas.

Sure. Yep, that's right. Pure Dorian play? Correct, yeah, he did not. You did not. From what I could tell, yeah, looking these guys all up individually yesterday. Yeah, yeah, see, it's tough because there's, you know, there's a fair number who didn't play pro.

But. Yeah, there were only eight, there are, I don't know, maybe I would say five or six that played college hockey specifically. I think one played in the WHL. But, yeah. All right, let me go through the kind of in my head. Did Bill Zito play? He did not. He's a lawyer.

Yeah, I was going to say he came over in the, from the player agent side. Yep. I believe. Okay. So I need one. So you only need one more. One more.

Don Waddell did play. Obviously, the... Oh, Lula Marello. He played Providence College. Did he? Okay. All right. So I got a strike on Lou.

Let's see. Let me double check that actually because now you got me questioning it. But I'm like 99.9% sure. He definitely coached at Providence College. What about Yarmow? Did he? He played, I want to say, at Western Michigan. Okay.

Yeah. Lou played three seasons at Providence College. Uh, seemed like he was pretty good. 52 points one season, 46 the next, so. Okay. Um, I'm getting, uh, okay. Oh, uh, Barry Trots never played. And he's the GM.

He played in the dub. Son of a. Am I back? Am I down to seven now? Like is this? Yeah. Oh my gosh. This, this will be crushing.

I'll just, I'll just come right out and say it. Um, all right. What about, what about Kyle from Chicago? Bingo, you nailed it. All right. So the other guys. He's like 22 years old. He couldn't have.

Right, that's right. The other guy's Chris McFarland, Doug Armstrong, Julian Breezebois, Kent Hughes. Hmm. I thought once you got the Bill Zito thing, you'd be getting Kent Hughes hard. I still sort of think of Jeff Gordon is the guy there, but. Sure.

Breezebaugh surprises me, and I don't know why. Yeah. He carries himself like a hockey player. Yeah. If I'm remembering right, he didn't even have like a player profile on Elite Prospects. Wow. All right. I'm going to double check that at too, but I'm pretty sure that's correct.

So I've taken. Yep, no player profile at all. All right. I'm excited now. This is a chance. So I'm up two to one. Well, wait a second. I'm up to one.

Oh, that's right. Yeah. What am I saying? Okay, I got to win this one. I got a chance to put a strangle hold now. If Sheldon Keith was my coach, I would disconnect from the call right now. That's right. Current players, whose name starts with Mick or Mac, in honor of my beautiful friend, Sean McIndoe,

who have never had a 100-point season. So I wanted to take McKinnon and McDavid off the board. And you absolutely did. All right. Oh, man. Here's what's interesting real quick off the top here. McKinnon, he would have fit in this category until this season. Yeah.

So these are curb players. Current players, yep. I did one of my mailbags this summer. Somebody asked me to do like all-time Mick versus Mac teams. But that was all time. Yeah. This is current players. And I will say this is according to hockey reference,

who they say are current players. There are some guys that are like career AHLers who are technically still playing. I would be shocked if you've gone. Okay. So I'm going to go Charlie McAvoy to start. Yeah. That's right.

Mason McTavish? Correct. Man, this is, you know what's weird is when you asked this question before you got to the 100 point thing, I immediately thought of McKinnon. I did not think of McDavid until you mentioned

So like that just gives you a sense of how This guy's brain doesn't work folks That's it And yet he's beating my ass in this game So Hmm I guess I gotta think Are there some goalies that could get

Could slide in there That could be tricky Oh Seattle guy Jared McCann Yep He didn't get to 100%. points last year, right? No, you sure didn't. There's not any

on the Leafs, I don't think. Oh, no, there is. Jake, Jake McCabe. Yep, there you go. That's four. The other ones, Aidan McDonough, Bobby McMahon, Braden McNaft, Brock McGinn, Cole McWard, Connor McMichael,

slightly different guy, Dylan McElh, Hugh McGing, Jacob McDonald, Jerry, you said those two guys. Curtis McDermid, Mark McLaughlin, Michael McCarron, Michael McLeod, Roland McKeon, Ryan McDonough, a guy I thought you were going to get for sure, and Zach McEwen. I think that as an exhaustive list. McDoneh, and there was like one or two guys at the beginning where I was like, I could have got that.

Yeah. The rest of this would have been. Braden McNabb, for sure, you could have gotten. Yeah, that was the other guy who jumped in. McDonough is the one guy that I should have got, because he was all. on my Mick versus Mac. All right, I'm up against the wall here. You are.

Okay, so 3-1 series lead for me. But this one, I think this one could be doable for you. I am looking for, you know what, I want the, I want you to name guys who finished in the top 20 in scoring in the first season after the lockout, 2005, 2006. Okay. I'll give you the top 20. There's three guys tied for 20th, and they had 85 points.

So that kind of gives you looking for it. Easy. This is easy. All right. Yager, Thornton, Ovechkin, Crosby. Done. Yeah. Look at that.

In fact, you named four of the top six. It was Thornton, Yager, Ovechkin, and then two guys who were teammates tied for fourth, and then Crosby. Six. Two guys who are teammates. hazard a guess that the two guys of teammates tied with 103 points. No, I don't want to. It'll make sense when you hear it,

but it's not one that you would know. It's Daniel Alfredson and Danny Heatley. Wouldn't have ever gotten Heatley in my whole life. Frankly, or Alfredson, that high in scoring? I mean, those teams were so good back then. Those senators teams. Eric Stahl had 100 points. Kovulchuk, Savard, and Jonathan Chichu round out the top 10

and then a bunch of other guys. So not just a winning. game five, but a convincing win. Yeah, that was a blowout. That's not, and I'm fine with that, but if I now lose game six at home, like now all the pressure is. For sure. Yeah.

All right. Hey, I just mentioned Sidney Crosby. You know, if you go to the bottom of a guy's hockey reference page, it has comparable players. Yes. I want you to give me, there are 10 of them, for his career-adjusted point shares. Okay. give me the 10 players who are most comparable to Sidney Crosby in his career.

All right. So is this the one where it is measured based on however many? Like I guess he's played, what, 18 years now? Yes, something like that. Is it like first 18 years or entire career? No, this is career. This is career. There are definitely guys with around the same longevity and, okay.

I would say there are definitely. guys who played a lot longer than Crosby and the guys who have played notably shorter careers than not notably, but like definitely you go, like if I said one of them to you, you would go, he definitely has played less time or there are some kind of players on here. But like that guy definitely, but also there are some guys where it's like, oh, he played way longer than Crosby did. Okay. I'm going to start with Ovechkin.

Yep, that's right. He's the number one. Really? No, that's not true. I sorted this alphabetically. So he's probably not the number one, but he is definitely on the list. That's still very cool. What about Malkin?

Not on there. Okay. A guy that jumped to mind as a guy who played a long time, Ron Francis. No. Uh-oh. I don't feel like, I mean, I don't think Gretzky would be. What about Mark Messier? No.

Big trouble here. Big trouble. My crowd is kind of turning on me a little bit here. There's a waffle on the ice. I shouldn't have leaked out the parade plans before this game. All right. Who? Perable. I don't remember if that stat has a position adjustment. Obviously looking for forwards.

Looking for guys who had long and successful careers. What about Joe Thornton? Is that an official guess? Yes, it is an official. No. No, no jumbo on this list. All right. What was the list?

Was that four? You got four wrong? Didn't I? I thought I, I said, I missed on Thornton. I missed on Malkin. I missed on Messier and Francis. Oh, yeah, that's right. Okay.

Yeah, so the list is, and this is no longer, I'm just looking at the list here. Gordy Howe, number one. Wow. Okay. Gordiae, number one, both in his career and through the first 18 years of his career. Interesting. Alex Ovechkin, number two, on both lists. Tame Usalani, number three on both lists.

Yarmir Yager, number four on both lists. Joe Sackick, number five, Brett Hall number six, Stephen Stamcoast, number seven. Here's the slight difference between the two lists. Marcel Dionne, eight in his career, but nine through the first. first 18 years. And Steve Eiserman flips with that. Yeah. And then the last guy's Patrick Kane. Wow. Okay.

I feel like I, in hindsight, I feel like I should have got there. Yeah. When I was saying like these guys had notably longer careers than a guy who played 18 years in his career, I was like, there's only going to be like three guys that really spring to mind here. Well, honestly, that got me thinking Ron Francis and then. Mm, sure. Yeah. Nope. held on that. Okay. How and Yager.

Yep. Salani, too, I guess, to an extent. He played until he was very old. But, yeah, I should have listened. He didn't start his NHL career until he was 22, famously. For the first time in Puck Soup history, somebody has not listened to the clues being left for them and resulted in them not getting the answer. Oh, well, game seven. Game seven.

You ready? Because this one's not easy. I'll be real honest with you. Uh-oh. Okay. In the cap era. So again, going back to 2005, I want you to name players who scored at least 100 goals with more than one team. So you mean they scored, they played for more than one team and they scored at least 100 with both of them?

Yes. Or total. No, both of them. They have two teams, two or more, although I don't think anyone gets to three, where they scored. a hundred goals or more for that team. Hmm, okay. I'm trying to think of guys who bounced around a decent amount, but, like, stayed, obviously stayed in, not, didn't do, like, Yager,

I'm just going to do one year here, one year there. That's the thing. You kind of have to put down some roots for, Yeah. Three or four years and at least. Right. And just in the cap era too, that's the tricky part. I will say, I will actually say, Yager is one of them.

No, not Yarmor Yager. Oh, that's right, because he went straight to the KHL after he was done with the Rangers. He must have scored 100 goals with the Rangers, right? He had like 50-something in the first, that first lockout year. He did, he had, well, he had, yeah, actually he did, because he went to them, before the lockout, but he had just over 100 with the Rangers. And then obviously none of his Pittsburgh stuff counts. He got to 83 in Washington, but yeah, post-lockout, most goals he had was 49 for the Panthers.

Wow. Yeah. I figured he might, yeah, okay. Oh, another guy we mentioned right off the hop there. I know he had a big rookie season, or first season coming out of the lockout. I think he was a rookie in 03-04. I'm going to say, Eric Stahl. Yep.

Did it with Carolina and Minnesota. Okay. I'm just trying to think of other... Well, we mentioned him, Danny Heatley. Danny Heatley is not... Really? Yeah, Heatley, and then, let me double check that. But again, he was...

His Atlanta time... Well, actually, he only got 80 goals in Atlanta. He had 180 with Ottawa. 65 in two years in San Jose, which is better than I remembered it. Okay, so see, that's what I messed up because I would have thought he scored, he was in San Jose a little longer than that, honestly. And then he went to Minnesota for three years, actually, but did not score very much. I have no memory of that whatsoever.

Remember, he was traded for Havlat. That was, it was the Havlat Healy. Yeah, sure. trade, but... God. How many do I have right now? Just two? You've got one right and two.

One, yeah. Does John Tavares have enough for the league? You can't, right? There's no way. Why did I say that? That was stupid. John Tavaris has been...

This is... He's entry... He's been in Toronto for five years. Oh, then he definitely has 100 there. Yeah, no problem. Yes. John DeVariz is a correct answer. He has 155 in Toronto.

Wow. 272 in New York. He had that big first year, right? Yeah, I almost got 50 years. Got me most of the way there, yeah. Okay, so I got two now. I'm trying to think of guys who won. Oh, did Rick Nash?

Rick Nash is correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Again, just a guy who played for a lot of... Yeah, and he did it, obviously, Columbus and New York. He was 145 goals with the New York Rangers. Fell just short with the Bruins. He scored three goals there.

Just short. Just missed. All right. So you are now one away. Like it's, you're up three to two. It's Gabe 7. Minute and 15 seconds left. My goalie is out, face off in your zone. This is your chance to ice it.

Another guy kind of became a mercenet. for the New York Rangers, I think. And I'm going to guess he had more than that more than 100 in Minnesota. He must have. Marion Gabbrick. You got it. You got it. Oh, baby. Marion Gabburick had 114 with the Rangers.

And his Minnesota total, I believe, yeah, he did get enough in his four years after the cap to get him there. So yeah, Marion Gabbberg is correct. You have won the series. Wow. Some other names that would have qualified, Jeff Carter.

Sure. Sir. Our old friend Phil Kessel. I don't know what I was thinking, leaving off Phil Kessel. One that just occurred to me, Jeff Skinner. Is that? No. Really?

Doesn't have a hundred in Buffalo yet? Ginner, yeah. I'm going to check that because that's a good guess. Jeff Skinner has a hundred twenty-nine in Buffalo Oh, you know what? He is on the list. I just missed him. I missed him.

So there you go. Jeff Skinner would be one of them. Marion Hosa. Sure. James Van Reimsdike. T.J. O'Shee, Justin Williams, Bobby Ryan, and nobody would get this one, but Mike Fisher, actually. Wow, good.

Yeah, just a guy he played for two fucking teams. Two teams. And was there for a long time. 103 goals for both of them. And in case people are wondering, Joe Pavelski is like three goals short of joining this. There you go. Congratulations, Ryan.

Thank you so much. I'll give you the last one here that I have written down just for fun here. Coaches who are no longer in the NHL and won a Stanley Cup, but are not in the hockey Hall of Fame. Okay. Now, some of these guys are coaches from like a thousand years ago. Yeah. And some of these guys are coaches who are still active in other leagues or whatever.

Now, when you say not in the NHL, not head coaches in the NHL? Correct, yeah. Okay, so like Mark Crawford would be one of the guys. Mark Crawford is on the list. That's correct. Bob Hartley would be on the list. Correct. A guy by the name of Al McNeil who.

That's right. He famously was the only coach fired after winning a Stanley Cup. Uh, okay. Who else? Another one that I'll get because it just infuriates me that this guy is not in the Hall of Fame. He absolutely should be. Uh, Jacques de Merre. Yep, that's it.

You got your four. Let me see what else I can get. Terry Crisp. Yep. Mike Keenan's not in the Hall of Fame. Correct. Bowman is, I think Badger Bob is in. You can tell I'm going through the, uh, through the night.

90s here. I don't remember who was the coach of Deh. Hitchcock's in now, right? Didn't he just get in? Yeah, he must be because he's not on my list. Hitchcock's in. Yeah, and Torterella is still coaching. Yeah, okay.

How many more were there? A bunch. There were 21 total. Give me some of the ones from like the modern era that we would know. because I don't, Al McNeil's as far back as I can. Claude Julian. Yeah. Dan Bilesma.

Darrell Sutter. Joel Quinville. And if you had gotten this, it would have been a good one, Randy Carlisle. Right. Yeah, Randy Carlisle. Not in the Hall of Fame as a coach and not as a player, despite being the only Norris winner. One of Norris, yeah. Only Norris winner, not in the Hall of Fame, I believe.

The other guys, Bill Stewart, Cecil Hart, Claude Ruel, I don't know who that is, David Gill, Dick Carroll, George O'Donohue, Jean Perron, Jimmy Skinner, whoever that is, John Muckler and Pete Green. John Muckler, not in the Hall of Fame. Says here. It surprises me a little bit. I mean, the NHL is notoriously weird about coaches, but that is, that's interesting. So there you go. Very good. That's a good question.

that one. Thanks. I would like it better if you had done it for game six, but. Sure, I understand. I got to say, I didn't move any of them around either. I'm trying to trick them with this one. I just, those were the four in the order I wrote them down. So, that's it. We're done with the show. Sean, why you hit him with some plugs? Find me on the athletic. Still kind of churning away on the summer schedule, but getting ready to ramp up for all of the usual fun September stuff that I do.

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