Puck Soup - Karen Duffy

Episode Date: December 7, 2017

Greg and Dave welcome Karen "Duff" Duffy to the podcast for a conversation about MTV VJs, hanging with Sean Avery and Brendan Shanahan, raising a goalie and her remarkable new book about dealing with chronic pain. Plus, the boys talk about NHL expansion to Seattle, NHL All-Star voting, joke T-shirts, that Ken Campbell tweet, that whack Edmonton Journal article about the "good old days" and a debate about the merits of 3-on-3 overtime. Plus, your reader feedback on NHL rivalries. Sponsored by Blue Apron and Harry's!

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We're doing this show during the week, but not on Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, where Bigfoot and Grave Digger will be at the county fairgrounds. Now, are Bigfoot and Sasquatch are going to fight, like, the way, like, the Knights do before the games in Vegas? This is, Captain Transition over here.

Join us next week for another edition of Captain Transition and the Transition Tears. I feel like the voice bit had already reached its peak. I was time to move on. I did, I want to say I did listen to Ed Helms on the Pete Holmes podcast this week. And I did not know that before Ed Helms was on the office, he was a voiceover guy.

Did you know that? And he said his gig was like he would do Burger King ads. Like he had the Burger King account. But his job was not to be like the voice throughout the ad. Like he said they'd hire like John Goodman to be like, everybody loves eating burgers and stuff. And like to do like most of the ad. And then Ed Helms' job was to come on and be like,

two for three dollars. Whopper is available at your local podcast? Oh, he was like, he was like the, like the fine print guy at the end. Here's the fine print guy. And it never occurred to me that like, like, you have to hire two people for your ads. Because you can't walk in and be like, yeah, you know, Matthew McCona. Hey, we need you to do the whole ad. Nah, man, I'm good.

I do the part of where I drive the Buick through the straits. They have lights at my face. Yeah, but like every ad that has like a celebrity now, they do the whole thing. Like, you know, check what your try a hundred dealer. Yeah, but he's not reading that, you know, 24 535 MSRP No, but I think they do that with like Jan. I don't know what Jan is again.

Jan's one of them and like Jan's like, hey, buy a car and then like a voice comes out at the end and says your local dealer will have a different mobile. But like if it's like Matthew McConaughey or if it's somebody like that, they do the whole thing. You know what the greatest thing about cars is? The older I get, the newer the models they are. The manufacturer's retail suggested price

is varying from state to state. You bought up the Sasquatch, which obviously is the biggest news of the week, maybe of the year. Everyone's talking about it. It's the greatest thing ever. We are getting a team in Seattle, motherfucker. Oh. What, no?

I don't know. I don't like to get my hopes up. I'm getting my hopes up. Because two weeks ago, Gary Bettman was like, we're not talking about anything with expansion. We don't even know what a Seattle is. Where is the Pacific Northwest? You put a Seattle on a horse, right?

Pacific Northwest. What do you think I have a compass in my fight? I don't know where that is. I can't possibly find that. Come on. Oh, then, oh, yeah, by the way, yes, we're going to go to visit Houston, and now we're going to go put a team in Seattle. No, they have everything they need now with the... You know, it's funny, they've been calling it like a renovation of Ki Arena.

They're fucking steamrolling. Yeah, they're just basically just putting up a new thing with, like, new infrastructure and, like, trains and public transportation. It's going to be one of those deals where it's like when they knock down something and then they rebuild it, and there's like one pillar with a plaque on it that says, Ki Arena, original pillar. Sean Kemp took a pee on its pillar. in 1993 after a game because he couldn't wait to get on the bus. Memories. But apparently it's not all private funding. Like it's mostly almost entirely, but like there's a little bit of tax.

The much more of it is private funding than the Chris, hi, I'm Chris Hansen. The Chris Hansen deal that didn't come to fruition. The biggest deal with that other arena, by the way, for those who don't know, was he had to buy a part of a street that was like near where the ports are in Seattle. Much the way Willie Bank. had to buy that street behind his casino. That's right. So all roads now lead to the bank.

To the bank, yep. Okay. That's right. It's fun of to make sure everyone knows that I watched that movie. You know, I don't know how the docs work in Seattle. I know in New Jersey, trying to find a way to get them to agree to your demands and not ponying up enormous amounts of cash to do so, you're probably not going to get anything done. So the docs... No, you know how they did it.

How they do it. Well, you know, Bill Daley would like knock on like a local mom and pop store and be like, hey, you know, maybe you know, maybe you're Maybe you're thinking about selling this place. And you're like, no, we've had it for 48 years. No, no, no, no, no. I don't think you want to stand. I think you're thinking about selling this place. Well, maybe it's going to burn down somehow if you win it.

And then that's how it happened. That's how business transactions happen. What you need here is protection? Protection from what? We're a small business in Seattle. I'm telling you, you might need some wink protection. And like Bill Daley comes up behind him and lights a Molotov cocktail up. Yeah, and throws it right into the coffee grinder because,

Obviously, it's, yeah. I mean, it's all coffee places and drug places. That's all it is. So he couldn't get the street that he needed to buy. He's still kind of hanging around, like in a weird sort of jilted lover way and banging on the glass window as they're signing the memorand of a motor standing being like, I'm still here. I can get you basketball, I think, maybe. Yeah, they don't really need basketball. Well, okay, so they're going to quote, quote, quote, air quotes, renovate key arena.

They have the Bonderman guy who's a billionaire. They have Jerry Bruckheimer, who's a billionaire, and famous. They try to own an NHL team for the better part of, like, a decade. So... Yeah, like Jerry Bruckheimer's always doing that L.A. game with the celebrities, it's Mr. Robbins and stuff. He's all about it. Yeah.

And he's going to have, like, really cool, like, intros where, like, the camera just spins around their expansion draft picks, and, like, they look up and tough, and they're just like, man, what's going to happen here? The opening video for the NASquatch is going to be them walking away from the explosion of Key Arena in slow motion. So they're both involved. They both want to own a team. So they're going to be the kind of owners the NHL's cool with. So you've got a building. You got the owners.

You got a region they want to be in. They want to have a team there forever. So they have the national rivalry with the Canucks and it's a Western conference thing. I don't know why you're so focused on balancing the conferences. No one's ever talking about it. But we're totally putting a team in the West. So it's everything the NHL wants. So we're totally getting a team there by 2020-ish or 22-ish.

Like, it's going to be like, yeah, it's going to be at least two years, which, I don't want to wait that long. I don't want to have this stupid 31 team league for three years where every team is playing on Saturday. Actually, the stars are not going to play because there's a odd number of teams, so we can't do it that way. Yep. But you're missing the big picture, baby. You can't fret about the details. Well. Because the NHL in Seattle, it is alive.

Can we cut that out, Kevin? I don't want anybody. I have so many more. I have so many more. Like, why wouldn't they be the Seattle sound? Clarified version of a Yarmulso. Oh, my God. I could just go on for days.

Is this what you're doing, like, when I'm texting you and I can't, you, like, text me back? You're just, like, working out, like, these bits and stuff. I'm the man in the pony box. They could play alive after every home game they lose, as long as they're still mathematically alive in the playoffs. You know, like, they're seven points out, but they have four games. go and it's like oh ah all right yeah what math i mean by the time we play again we're going to be out of it so forget it eddie he's a chicago guy anyway eddie's a poser i don't want ed is the quintessential

seattle band well and how come how come pearl jam's line up mariner's games why is pro jam at the the cubs games and sing alongs with cubs players because eddie vettor's a poser you heard me eddie vettor unless you want to come on the show and i'll apologize but besides that sound garden the seattle sound garden although i don't remember what sound garden songs they were i get them mixed up with Alice in Chains all the time. All my friends are hockey players. Ryan Spoonerman. Spooner Man.

Slashing people on the hands. And then a goalie, save on your head for save. Save me. I mean, there's a lot of good music. I nearly lost you there. But we're now playing the three on three. Princes. Princes who are you.

Is that Seattle? Wait, is this Finn Doctor's the Seattle band? I don't know. They were grungy-looking. It was weird for a while because then we had like all the grunge that came out and then it's like other bands that weren't grunge, but they're like, they're from Seattle. And they're like, we're like, yeah, but they're not from Seattle. Right. Like, I forget if Eddie Vedder was from Chicago and moved to Seattle to be in the scene or if he was in the scene and then moved to Chicago after it.

But like, he's a total Chicago guy. He's too late for him. He can't come on board now. I'm sorry. It's just everyone else. Has he ever shot the puck at the Chicago Blackhawks game? I don't know if he has or not. Oh, like the intermission thing?

Yeah, like all everybody does. If you're an ex-bear or Mr. T. You're probably, or Kubu Gooding that one time. Actually, I don't even know if he's, has he ever been associated? He's a Cubs guy. I think he just likes the Cubs. Yeah, it might be. I don't think he likes anything else.

I've never seen him in a Bears game like wearing a Jim McMahon headband or anything. But yeah, Seattle, man. Seattle's going to have drugs. It's good beer. And, yeah. Music? All right. So you give what Sasquatch is the name?

No. The old bit we used to have on Merrick Briss Wachinsky was we wanted to name him the Easter eggs. And I don't know why. I think we were enamored with the idea of there being blue and pink jerseys of some sort. But Sasquatch is always my choice. I was very inspired to see that Sasquatch won the ESPN naming poll. I believe the Squatch should be the name of the team. The Squatch.

And I won't listen to anything else otherwise. What were the other like top three? Do you remember? I think like the Metropolitan. the pilots, you know, the more traditional names. So basically you loaded it up with like really shitty nicknames and then put Sasquatch in there. So Saskatch would win. I see your, I see your plan.

I had no control over the, over the pole. Thank you very much. That's what she said. Yeah. And, and, uh, and, uh, I just feel like, you know, Sasquatch is the one that people prefer. You can resurrect the Sonics old mascot who was a Sasquatch and nickname Squatch, no less. Well, you can't go, um, you can't go, um, you can't go Sonics because they might bring

NBA team back there. Like what other Seattle, the Griffies? The Seattle Griffies? The one, someone said the Seattle fish chuckers or something. Fish tossers or something. Those market, those market,

guys. I mean, so why? Because it's like Pacific Northwest. Is that where Sasquatch allegedly lives is somewhere in the woods in Seattle? Well, I mean, you said Sasquatch allegedly lives, which means that you're indicating it's singular. The Sasquatch are

a race of creatures, we believe. that do populate the Pacific Northwest. Cousins to the Yeti in the Himalayas. I like Soundgarden. Again, that's why you'll have headlines to say, not Yeti, when they get close to the playoffs and lose. Or if like a guy, like Eric Carlson comes there, and by that point in his career, he only has one foot left,

and he's called him Bigfoot. Big foot. There it is. He's big footing around, the key arena. That's right. I'm Dave Lozo. ESPN. SAS squashed when they lose like 7-0. And like SaaS is like a stat, isn't it?

Like saves against shots. That's a fucking NHL.com bullshit. Yeah. You're not going to use the real name stat. Yeah. Like I always see that there. Well, speaking of ESPN and stuff, what are you going to do a new podcast? So, like, people will stop, you know, adding me about, where's Merrick?

Like, go, what are you going to do? Like, there's going to start soon. Are you going to have a partner? I can't, I can't mention the name yet, except it's now the name that everybody has if they've already subscribed with the old ESPN podcast. Hockey today? Like the graphics up, but we haven't actually announced the podcast yet. It's not going to be hockey today. I hate it that name. What are you going to do it? You should tease it for the people. It's going to start real soon. It's going to start actually next, maybe next week. Butchie in the wish? No, I'm going to have a co-host. We'll not be

John Boochgras. Ooh. Is it going to be Emily Kaplan? Why are you so interested in this? Oh, are you feeling a little pressure here for this question? I do. I mean, listen, I don't know if you saw, but we ranked, you ranked second in a random Twitter user's list of his favorite podcasts behind the customs podcast. This podcast, ours, ranked like fifth or six. Oh yeah, that guy's always complaining about how we don't talk about hockey. Well, I've come to realize the people that do love this dumb podcast, you know, they like it with the knowledge that it's not always about hockey. And the people that don't like it don't understand that it's not always about hockey. And they always want to tell you that, well, they kind of go on tan.

I don't know what he's talking about with tangents. I don't go on tangents. Like this, this reminds me of the time when I was in the sixth grade, right? And I had to, I was late for class. And my mom was like, hey, are you going to finish your breakfast? And I'm like, hey, are you going to finish your breakfast? And my mom was like, well, you know, the best thing before class is a good breakfast. So I sat down and I ate breakfast, which reminds me of a time I was playing hockey in college. And that's hockey, though. Eventually, you get back into it, though. Yeah, it comes around. That's the point. No, the new podcast is going to start soon. I hesitate to say exactly when because we've already had a couple of false starts. That's a football term. Yeah. You mean you've got a couple of... Well, I'm a Jets fan, so false starts are kind of... No, actually, actually, I'm the Jets fan now.

Yeah, you are. The Giants are the Jets now. Oh my God. It's just so sad. Ben Maca Don't. Ben Macadu. All right, we should mention, by the way, about this podcast if you didn't hear... New York City Live show coming up.

Monday, Monday, Monday, Monday. Like five days. Yeah. What is Monday's date? December 11th. 11th. 1211. Yeah, a day that will live in infamy.

So it's at the Green Space, which is in Greenwich Village, 44 Charlton Street, 7 o'clock. Tickets are 20 bucks. There's a reason for 20 bucks. It's not us. We're doing this in conjunction with WNYC, the local public radio station. Home of a former guest, Dan Pashman. Yeah. It's part of a series they have.

have where they have podcasts on and they like, you know, present them to their vast new audience. So they kind of set the price on this one. As you know, we usually price is a little bit cheaper. But it's a cool opportunity for us to support public radio. And it's also a cool opportunity to hopefully, you know, expand the tent, as it were, of this dumb podcast. So we're going to have guests. We're going to play games. We're going to give away prizes. So if you haven't gotten your tickets already, you can get them through the... Look on the Patreon, look on the Puck Soup Twitter feed, and you can find all the stuff there for how to get the tickets. But it's Monday night, 7 o'clock, December 11th at the Green Space.

That's G-R-E-E-N-E, like the green turtle. Like Mean Joe Green. Like Mean Joe Green. Right? He's with an E. I think he's with any. In the village. So that's going to be fun. This will be really fun one. It's going to be... I'm terming it our holiday spectacular.

I think there's going to be a lot of sort of Christmas to holiday content. Oh, look at Greg with the war on Christmas. There it is. Can't say Christmas, huh? No. Boy, Christians in this country, you're just being persecuted left and right, and Greg, you're part of it now.

I can't wait. Yep. God. Join us for, uh, we'll be gathering around the holiday tree. We'll be sacrificing animals to the pagan god. It'll be a fantastic time. Oh, God. Sacrificing animals to the pagan god.

There's going to be protesters outside of our show because we call it a holiday show. We'll hold up signs that say Burrell Ives matters. get it bro-hives the christmas singer yeah i understand yeah so i'm not i'm not too old for that joke bro lives look him up google it he's been dead for like 40 years that's a joke that reminds me of visualized world peas instead of world peace that the people in the 1990s used to have as a bumper sticker i don't remember that was calvin peeing on it that's the only thing i oh yeah that was the whole thing too why did we get there there's two trends that never really made sense to me that i never really

got into. Calvin peeing on things and the big dick. And the big dick. No, the big dick stuff. The big dick stuff. You know, big dick's coffee shop where... Oh, Big Johnsons? Or Big Johnsons.

Yeah, sorry. I was a little too on the nose. I just got to the punchline. Remember those throbbing cocks t-shirts we all wore? No, I don't remember those actually. Calvin peeing on stuff things obviously because I never drove a truck. Yeah, that was like an SUV-homber type thing. Very much.

But the Big Johnson's thing I never like... I mean, I get it. I know why it's funny. I just never wore the t-shirt. Licker up front, poker in the rear. L-O-L. It's a Big Johnson Casino. Get it?

See, it's like these words sound like other things. Big Johnson's barbershop. Hop on this swirly pole. See, like, I don't know if that's a real one or not. Could be. Yeah, I know. We can bring them back. We can bring them back.

Next week on the podcast, stay tuned for the next day of Lozo quiz. Was this a real big Johnson T-shirt? Big Johnson's acting school. What was the rhythm method? of acting. What was the Cheeziest T-shirt, like, joke t-shirt you ever owned? I have two that I can definitely say that I owned that were terrible joke

t-shirts. I mean, I definitely had a couple of Big Johnson T-shirts definitely have a few of them now, so. I was going to say, you're still a T-shirt aficionado. I'll go, I have two of them. The first was, as a kid, I definitely owned being that I grew up 20 minutes from the shore, a

damn Seagull's T-shirt, but it wasn't damn, because it was a kid. Darn Seagulls. It was a, it was. was yellow. Edgy. And then it had a white paint with brown in it to signify bird shit. And you're like, look at that kid.

You got shit on by birds. And then the other one I owned my dad, this was one of the, like, this was a Christmas present. This is how proud my dad was to give it to me. I had a roadkill grill, uh, t-shirt. And on the back was a menu of all of the roadkill that was supposedly on the menu. I think I've seen the shirts like that. Like, confused deer burger, or whatever.

Dead animal, L-O-L. Yeah. I think I had some, I remember, like, when I was a kid, getting, like, Simpson's T-shirts was a big deal. Like, there was, like, good ones and bad ones. Like, if you could find one at, like, a flea market where he was, like, saying, don't have a cow man, or I carumba. Like, that was the coolest T-shirt ever.

Right. Gag? I don't know. I definitely had them. I don't, I can't. The thing about gag T-shirt. I can't remember we talked about the podcast last week. Never mind what I wore when I was 14.

The tough thing about gag t-shirts is that like sometimes you see them and you're really impressed. And then sometimes you see ones and it is like it is if you have a flashing sign over your head saying tries too hard sometimes. Like you wear the shirt and you're like you're looking around like, does anybody see you my shirt? Look how cool my shirt is. If it takes me two turns to see your shirt, like if I'm out a concert and you're walking over to get like a beer and I see your shirt and I'm like, oh. And I have to like follow you, stalk you. Like write down on a piece of paper. Like, okay, that's it.

That could be a double entendre. No, but I think he's going with the regular, you know, unusual. Oh, man, I don't know. And then you're always undoubtedly disappointed by the punchline, too. Yeah, I know. You just can't do it. God, I followed you for a half the arena. Jesus God.

Seriously, somebody added us on Twitter last week or this week, and they were like, man, just watch the, just watch slogan, couldn't help thinking about that Puck Sue podcast joke. and I'm like, oh, I know. I was thinking of this. What did I say about it? I remember doing my Patrick Stewart, like, for the joke, but I don't remember what it was. Was it about him being, like, being kind of like a dick? I think it was about him being a dick about on the road, and it's like, Logan's like, I remember the joke now.

It was like, Logan's like, we've got to get out of here. We've got to keep running. They're after us. They're after this kid. Oh, yeah. Oh, but what if we stopped over and had some pie? What if we had some mashed potatoes with Eric LaSalle's family? Oh, Logan.

We can always make room for a nice family meal. Whenever this happens in a movie, the people get killed and they're innocent victims. I could really go for a nice, cold, shower, and bed tonight. So we're going to kill this family, is what you're saying. This family's going to end up on the floor, bloodied and dead. Ah, but I'll have hot cider. Logan, it's important that you understand what family is, even though you're going to die in, like, a day. Right.

Why not take this family down with you? I still can't believe that happened in the movie. I'll just, Logan, I'll just freeze them with my mind. You can't control your mind. I'll just freeze them with my mind. See, the thing I was thinking of was at the end when Logan's dead. Spoiler.

Spoiler! Oh my God! For those people that didn't read or hear about anything for the last year and a half. And there's the cross and then the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, people, my audience laughed, and that made me laugh. and I couldn't stop laughing for, like, a minute because somebody else laughed. See, I thought that was pretty good. That was fun. Yeah. Like one person just did that,

and that set me off. During a really emotional scene. It was like really silent in the theater and like she turns it and you got and it wasn't me. Yeah. But then it was after that. There it was after that. Hey, so there's a tangent. Yeah.

Oh, back to hockey. Actually, no. Now we'll talk about Blue Apron. Blue Apron is a amazing sponsor of this very program and a wonderful thing. What do? What's their thing again? Blue Apron. What do they do?

They're the ones that's a great. send you the box of stuff and then you make the food oh the food yeah tell me about the food well i'll get to that in a second here's the thing about blue apron boy what's the thing you go to a place like i don't know like whole foods no and you're looking around and you're like what am i going to make for dinner this week inevitably you're going to buy a bunch of shit you don't need and then the worst part about it is that you're at whole foods so it's going to cost seven times more than it should at any other supermarket in the world there's got to be a better way there is a better way blue apron I've heard of them.

They send you a box that deliver fresh pre-portioned ingredients. What do I mean by pre-portion? I mean, they give you a bag that otherwise would probably have weed in it, but this time it's got like cumin in it. So you know exactly how much cumin to use. But don't smoke it.

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I got to tell you, man, it's a huge week in the world of hockey. Not only are we going to get a team in Seattle, but the most wondrous time of the year is now. all-star game voting has opened. Yeah, it's really, it's an amazing. Nothing says professional sports league, like slipping it in on a Saturday morning when no one's around.

Time to vote for your, not to all-star voting, all-star captain voting. And then the NHL will tell you which 40 guys you can pick from. We've fucked around with the NHL so much in the last few years that they have literally now said you have lost all your privileges. We're going to give you the players you can vote for.

You can only vote for four of them. They're only going to be the captains of these dumb teams. And not only that, I don't know if you tried to vote, but it's like fucking hardest shit to vote. It's like you pick the four guys. Then you have to go down. Then you have to enter the captcha code at the bottom. You'll certainly have like an NHL.com login and shit. Once you do that three times because you can't figure out if it's an uppercase or lowercase C in the damn box,

then you do that. And then you go to the next page. And then you have to either be signed up for NHL.com or go through your Google or Facebook account. just to cast your dumb vote. And I think that's all you can do for that day. You can't even go back and vote again. Nothing says, I care about the fans, and I want the fans to be active on our website.

Then you vote once a day on these two or three players we're picking from each team. And we're probably going to pick players from each team that don't deserve to be captains to begin with. And we just don't want you to be actively involved in this. We want you to kind of forget it exists. And then we're going to complain about the ratings in two months when nobody watching.

And then keep in mind that the times that we've fucked with them, been great. Vote for Rory was a national story. John Scott was the best thing about the All-Star game that year. Like, leave the driving to us. Like Rory Fitzpatrick was all set to get. All of a sudden, a mystery, like 2.6 million votes hit. Oh, that dude,

Roswell Crash, JFK assassination, vote for Rory scandal, the three greatest conspiracies of our time. Oh, and all those are true. Oh, without question. All those are 100%. I left the moon landing off because I know we went, we went to the moon. I don't believe for a second we did it in a warehouse.

you? Well, I mean, here's the thing. When you're taking off from flat earth, there's a glass dome you have to get through. So that kind of makes it hard to visit the moon because you're trapped on Earth. Under a glass dome? Oh, yeah. It's like, oh, you didn't know the glass dome is part of the flat earth? No, I didn't know that we were living under a Stephen King's geosphere. Yeah. That's why we can't visit other planets. For some reason, you can see the other planets and they're all around, but the one we're on is flat. Come on. Come on. Come on, man. Get it together. Yeah, vote for it. So, all right, so if I was going to pick the capital, They'd be Stamco's for the Atlantic.

They'd be, who for the Metro? Taylor Hall? Sure, why not? You don't want to go Ovechkin? Yeah, oh, that's good. Ovechkin. And he's always going to be good, like, personality-wise, Taylor Hall. Yeah, like, Ovechkin gives,

I was saying this today as somebody, like, there's no hockey player that gives no fucks, but there's some that just give very little fucks, and Ovechkin's a little fuck. He can have fun while he's doing it. Plus, what a great consolation prize. Ovi, you couldn't represent your country and potentially win a gold medal for the last time of your career. But, all-star game captain, what say you?

We're going to bog you down with responsibilities you don't want during your three days off. That's right. You're welcome. Yeah, it's going to be really exciting. You can't represent your country and maybe actually win something of import for the first time in your life. But you can tell Nico Heischer what event he should participate in during the skills competition. And you know it's going to be like the relay. He's not to pass the puck into the four tiny nets.

Central Division, I mean, who would it be? Would you go with a jet? Go like Blake Wheeler? Fuck that, no way. Go with Philip Forsberg? I think I go. Oh, you go with Jaden Schwartz. I was going to say you go to Tyler Sagan.

No, I go Jaden Schwartz. I mean, there's, like, every team is so good, and there's a bunch of play. You don't want, I mean, well, let's be free, they're going to pick Patrick Kane. Oh, God. They're going to. And he's not in another fucking commercial. He's doing commercials that are strictly. him and women hanging out now where he's telling

them what to buy. Oh, I don't get over this shit. I don't get it. I don't get it either. Is it a Blackhawks thing? Like, is that what it is? It's that like... He's an American on the Chicago Walk. Yeah, so it's like some marketing guys like, he's a perfect combination of quadrants. He's an American on the most popular

team in hockey. And he's been doing this now forever and he's still fucking sucks at it. He's so wooden. He's so just like rigid when he's delivers his lines and yeah it's so noticeable when he's around like real actors who know what they're doing and he's just like hey i have three stanley cups it's pretty good yeah the only thing that's changed is that he's got jude law's hair now don't you ever ever i know i'm sorry i missmurched the good name of the young pope bash my young pope i'm sorry that is my young pope i i'm making

the sign of the cross to you and the young pontiff as we speak it's just so baffling Patrick like of all the things to put him into yeah yeah but i mean i mean i mean I would pick Sagan, but it's going to be a lot. It's going to be Kane. And the Pacific has got to be young Johnny Goodrow. Sweet boy. Right? Pacific is kind of up for grabs because Vegas has been the team.

And it's Vegas. Yeah. Flurry's one of the guys you can vote for even though he's played three games. I can't. I already complained about that earlier this week. Like the idea that like fucking gets laugh and flurry, like I know that there's a certain amount of star power you have to genuflect to in this dumb thing. That's why Ozzie Smith was an all star for like 80 years in major league baseball.

but like, why the fuck are these guys on the list? Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, Ozzy Smith was a Hall of Fame baseball player. Ozzy Smith towards the end of his career was getting in for hitting like 220. Oh, towards the end. Oh, okay, okay, okay. But like these guys, I'm just saying that, like, I understand that it's an all-star game and you need stars on the ballot. But at some point, you've got to make the call for merit, don't you? Like, there's no, A, there's no reason Get Slav should be on the list.

B, why the fuck would they want them there? How is the John Scott guy talking about getting there on merit all the sudden? What are you kidding me? Like, I'm totally in favor. of like I get it. Mark Andre Fleury's played four games or whatever, but if he's the super popular guy everybody wants to see go, then

pick, that's the thing. The fans would just pick whoever they want. Mark Andre Fleury, William Carlson, Andre Kasha, who fucking cares? Well, that's the most interesting thing about what the NHL does some games, is that like, they've now taken it out of the fans' hands. So when they don't pick the guys they should

pick, it's the NHL basically saying here are the people that we think are important and fuck off If, like, we used to pick Yeah. We used to pick, well, 12 people. Five, five, two, three forwards, two defensemen or the goalie we used to pick.

And the NHL would announce the five star. Yeah. There was going to be like four black hawks. We've got from 12 to four. And, and they fill in the blanks. And it, but it's the fans game, right? But the end of the thing, too, is like, the fans don't even pick the pool of guys that the captains pick from.

No. That's hockey ops now. Yeah. How bizarre is that? It's so strange. Like, imagine, like, you have this perfect set. up too where like you want to get people to watch hockey so here's what you do you tell the fans have them tell you who they want to watch and if it's john scott if it's rory fitz patrick if it's

mark andre flurry yeah who cares those are the people if mark and dron jrlery gets eight million votes then hey hey you get to go i understand it's an all-star and merit and you want to have guys that have had really good first halves to reward them or whatever but again if it's the fans game yeah the fans decide who they want to watch where do you fall i mean you sound like you fall more on it's the it's a I'd like there to be a trifle of an event But there's always a part of me that's like For guys that never get a chance to do this shit

And they're having a great season I feel like a great season should be some level of entry point To that And yes, I know I'm the Jans Scott guy And you put Jans Scott in You keep someone worthy I know, fuck off The point is that like if worthy

Yeah Fuck off If like if like you know Like Braden Shen Like probably not getting in Because Tarasenko and Jaden Schwartz were But boy would it be great to see him be an all star this year Would it be great to see him be an all-star this year?

Would it be great to see him or it would it just be great for him it'd be great for him that's what i mean people don't want to watch braden chennon the all that's the thing too is the all the nchal season is so goddamn long like you get three or four days off in the middle that's why guys all oh my amstring oh sidney crosby's got a he's got a bruised testicle he's gonna have to put some ice on it for a couple days oh now i'm fine again after the all-star games one game suspended does sydney crosbie like ice on his testicles hmm yes yeah i can see it i can see that being his thing uh it um it numbs the feelings

you know so like you know we can focus on important stuff you know like uh does sydney crosby like numbing the feelings you know it numbs the feelings

like there should be like the captains the captains should all oh that kind of goes against what I'm thinking too I was going to say the captain should be all merit guys

but you know so you're saying the captain should be the merit guys and then you fill in the stars yeah but like if you're filling it in with hockey ops choices they're never going to pick those guys. You want to have...

So the fans kind of have to make their voices heard. How do you feel about guys that bag out of this stuff for injury? Like, I feel like, I feel like I'm an All-Star game fan. I feel like it does serve as an important purpose. When you're on site and you go to these things, it's a traveling cavalcade of stars. You know, you go to Tampa. It's exciting. Like Tampa's seen a Stanley Cup final.

They've, you know, got some stars down there. But it is kind of cool to see all these stars in one place and you go look at the trophies. Like, it's a cool thing to experience if you're there locally. I feel like there's a certain obligation, but I do understand that, like, if you've been in the game a billion times and you want to take a year off because you need a nurse an injury or

whatever, like, that's all right. But at the same time, I'm also the first one to call out Sid, because the way he's handled the All-Star game is horseshit. Like, the idea that he couldn't go to fucking Columbus that year and just say high during the year when they're announcing the World Cup just, it will

remain a joke. There's also, too, like that underlying tension between the players and the league where the league wants them to do something and the players just don't want to do it because the league is asking them to do it. Especially this year because the league said you can't go play in the Olympics. But you can go to Tampa Bay to do the shoot the puck into the baby nets thing in Center Ice. I do love when Henry Cedding goes 4-4 at that.

That really gets me excited. Because hitting those four targets from that far away is awesome. Let's be honest. The skills competition, even with the 3 on 3 being what it is, and I think it's been better than a normal All-Star game, the skills competition is my favorite things in hockey. Like even if they trash the All-Star game and do like a Rider Cup thing, you best have a fucking skills competition night during it.

But like they, again, it's another thing too. The fans are like, you know what's awesome? The breakaway challenge. Can't get enough of these guys in their creative, zany costumes. Before you go on, that's the NHLPA's fault. Those players didn't want to do it anymore. Oh, I know, but like, fuck them. Fuck everybody.

All right, there it is. Ladies and gentlemen. You know, for those of you who keep emailing and be like, does Dave, someone, someone tweeted at us this week and said something that I found to be the truest thing that's ever been said about. this podcast. The only thing you have ever liked on this podcast is Ryan Lambert. This already isn't true.

Who likes Ryan Lambert? Come on. Here's something you did like. Sean Leahy. Here's something you did like. Our guest this week is Karen Duffy. Now, if the name sounds familiar, it's probably because you're of a certain age and remember when MTV played videos.

And Duff was a superstar Vijay on the network. As I told her during our interview, no one in the history of mankind. has ever worn a leather jacket as well as Duff did. Spoiler. On MTV. You're spoiling the interview already.

It doesn't matter. Logan slowly dies. Logan has a poisoning inside his chest that causes him to die. She's got a new book out. Her third book, actually. It's a bestseller on Amazon. It's called Backbone, Living with Chronic Pain Without Turning Into One, which is a very good title.

Duff is a hockey mom. She's a big Rangers fan. She tells some stories about hanging out in the super-celebrab room at Rangers games with Brendan Chanahan and Sean Avery. There's a Chris Farley story in there, too. There's a good Chris Farley story in it too. She was a delight, and we think you're going to really dig this interview with Karen Duffy. And we'll be back after this.

Young Pope dies in the last episode, too. Karen Duffy. Duff. Duff. Hey, fellas. Do you prefer Duff or do you prefer Karen? Is Duff the MTV name and Karen's your... I've always been Duff.

I mean, you know, you can't... There's something called nominative determination where you're not... name is indicative of your personality. And I thought, well, what does Duff mean? Duffy and Gaelic means clan of the dark-haired. But then also Duff means really bad cocaine. The Duff means pregnant. And then Duff means designated ugly fat friend.

Oh, wow. Oh, that's right. Of the Tisholary movie, the Duff. See, I think of the beer from The Simpsons. Yes. That's my first. And Duff, if you're skateboarder Duff shoes. And also Duff McCagan from G&R.

I know. Was that your biggest Duff rival through the years? But you know, it's funny being on MTV. When I was working in the nursing room, when I was actually right by the diner, we were talking about the Bon Bonoboye. It was late at night. We were coming from a gig a bunch of girls and a bunch of guys in a car. And they were like, all right, jump in. And I get on, and I have to sit on this guy's lap.

And I'm like, oh, hi, my name's Duff. And he goes, my name's Duff. And like, I definitely outweighed him. And, uh, but that's how I met Duff McCagan. And it was before, uh, use your illusion just blew up. Oh, man. And it was very cool. That's funny.

Yeah, your career, I was, I was looking it up. If you go to her Wikipedia page, she has the, the best intro ever. The first two sentences of your Wikipedia page are incredible. It's, you know, basic stuff. It says Karen Duff Duffie is an American writer. model television personality and actress and you're like yeah yeah sure next sentence is she's a certified

hospital chaplain a former Coney Island mermaid queen and a member of the Alliance for the ethical treatment of pain patients that's a journey Ernest Borgnean lookalike contest twice I read that too how

tell us about everything tell us how we got here Ernest Borgman what okay there's a great bar in the village called Tortilla Flats. Right, yeah. And they have an Ernest Borgneye look-like contest.

Right. And I was dating Chris Farley from Saturday Night Live. Oh, wow. Who, God bless him in heaven. I miss him every day. He, first of all, he jilted me for the hottest chick I've ever seen in my life. With it David Spade? You know, I've got to say, David Spade and Chris would get the most unbelievably smoking hot girls.

I was like, okay, I get why you totally jilted me. So I was like, come on, Chris, I won the Ernest Borgneye look-alike contest last year. Why don't we, why don't you come with me? And he picked me up in my apartment. But he had NBC studios, and he showed up looking more like Ernest Borgnine than Ernest Borgnard. So he's got like putty and stuff going on. Yes. He had no. You're just going for the natural Ernest Borgneye look.

I mean, I just like use brillo pads for hair and I made a fake nose. Are you competing against older men that look like? Like my my entryway to Ernest Borgnan was as the sidekick on Airwolf. That was my thing. I didn't know him from anybody. Oh, and come on. And also the black hole, the Disney space flick, he was in that too. And come on, Poseidon, Rogo, Preacher!

I was a little young for the, but yes, gradually, but were you competing against older men? No, it was everybody. It was women. It was young men. No, it was just a fun night. Two-time winner, though. What do you win? Eternal bragging rights.

And that blue ribbon I just gave you guys. Oh, yeah. What was the mermaid thing? So I'm a member of the Coney Island polar bears. Really? He was jumping in the cold water? No way. So, it's actually, if you can jump in the water on New Year's day, pretty much.

That'll be the whole. hardest thing you do. And it's amazing because people are still hammered from the night before when you show up at the beach. So I became a member of the polar bears. And then every year, the Coney Island Mermaid Parade is the largest art parade in America, a million people. So they asked me to be the mermaid queen. So I was very honored. And I think Joey Ramon was my king that year. Oh, of course. I think he was,

I think he had a bit of the Irish flu. Did he know he was the king? No, he didn't show up. What are your responsibilities as Mermaid Queen? Do you have to like oversee the fish in the sea for a year? Like, is there like a scholarship program? That's a good question, Dave. What I have to do is my, uh, I would,

I had to take a thermometer and walk down to the water and put their thermometer in and then you, um, jig it so it looks like. Like the temperature is going up and that the water is warm enough to swim. Wow. So you're like the mayor from Jaws, but different. Yeah, kind of. But it was funny. So I was Miss Coney Island and I eloped with my husband during my rain.

So he's the mermaid king. No, he's Prince Eric. He stole the mermaid's heart. Oh. You know your Disney movies. I don't know what he's referenced in the front. So one morning, my husband's like, wow, you look nice. Where are you going?

And I said, well, you know, as the queen of the Konyala Mermaid parade, I have to go because it's the 70th anniversary of the Kony Island Cyclone. And so the way that they were going to celebrate was they had a 70-year-old man, marry a 70-year-old woman at the beginning of the roller coaster. And then they took the ride. and then Raul Felder divorced them. So this was it. And so my husband's like, yeah.

And what are you doing? And I was like, I jump out of the cake. And my husband's like, now that you're a married woman, maybe your cake jumping day should be behind you. And I was like, oh, you know what? I didn't even think about that. Yeah, you're right. So I threw my husband out of the house.

And I put my sash and my TR on, jump on the subway. Get to the cyclone, and I get inside the cake. But I didn't realize that my husband was a banker and that Wall Street guys have TVs everywhere. And the guys at Morgan Stanley were like, Lambros, is that your wife who just jumped out of a cake? So I will tell you, when you jump out of a cake, it's not real cake. No, it's like I realized that when I saw, remember Under Siege when Erica Eleniac jumps out of the cake and Under Siege? I've only seen that like once or a seven time. It's cardboard, right?

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I was always a little disappointed by that. So, on the one of... Well, you can't bake a human being inside a... Yeah, yeah, that's... I always thought you could bake around some sort of a capsule, like a magician's trick. Uh-huh. Like, you can tort your body into a little capsule inside the cake, and then it's sort of...

What are you, the barber of fleet street? Yeah, exactly, right. Let's get Karen Duffy inside the real cake. Oh, boy. Have my Duffy meat, Ponce. The, uh, when, uh, David Lutterman had his second, to last show, last show, Bill Murray

jumped out of a cake, but Bill really, did you, I don't know, he jumped out, he was covered in cake. So he had, he had goggles on,

and it was, it was fantastic. That's a guy who seems like he wouldn't mind being baked inside of a, no, no, he's so great. Yeah, he would commit a,

you committed a 325, man. He's amazing. I'm, I'm actually going, he's performing right now as he, just performing. formed at Carnegie Hall.

Dudes, it was unbelievable. He has the number one classical recording right now. It's called Bill Murray, Jan Vogler, New Worlds, and he's with a classical quartet, and he sings and

recites poetry, and it is unbelievable. At the Carnegie Hall, he got eight standing ovations, and the audience was doing the wave. I think it was the first time in Carnegie Hall that the audience was on their feet doing the ways. Sounds like someone's chasing

that Lynn Madwell Miranda Egotch all of a sudden late in life. Is he like is it genuine like seriously or is he just doing a bit? Like is it the whole thing to just comedy thing? Dave, it's amazing. He comes out and it's in the beginning he recites

James Fenimore Cooper's Deer Slayer. And then he goes back and forth from reciting poetry. He sings Van Morrison's When Will I ever learned to live in God, which is a lament. I mean, my heart is like the size of a dry roasted peanut. You couldn't find my heart if you lost it in your eye. But I bet it smells really good when

you're walking down the sidewalk. My dream is the one day would be so famous where I could just saw Carney Hall and do whatever I want. But you know it's funny. That's exactly what he did, Dave. It just goes to show you that Bill Murray is one of the most beloved people in the history of because remember when Joe Piscopo tried to do a serious Sinatra show? He tried to do like a serious, no comedy just like I'm gonna I'm gonna like become Sinatra and do a dramatic thing nobody wants that cancelled nobody wanted that no it's it's amazing and uh so sometimes if we'll go to

uh Bill and I co-own a few minor league baseball teams together like really what like wooden bat right what was the uh yeah he uh there was a famous one that he well they's got the um the Charleston River Dogs right yeah and the Martha's Vineyard Sharks How do you come about to that deal? We're just buddies, and he was staying at my house, and I was like, you know what, there's a baseball team for sale, and I think we could get it.

I think it'd be really fun. So we got together and we bought this little team called the Torrington Titans, and it's wooden bat, AAA. It's really fun. It's college kids, you know, going in, kind of like it's the U-H-S-L of, you-H-S-L of, of baseball. Did you ever have any input on player transactions? No, but I, you know, we do,

you know, it was really fun is Bill is the commissioner of fun. And so we would come up with all the crack pot ideas. Like, we would have like, you know, the grandma beauty pageant. And we did silent

night where we had mimes as the umps. And nobody was allowed to talk. And so you would just hold up signs. Minor League Baseball is the best. Well, it makes so much fun. Because Murray was a huge Bill Vec fan.

Yes, I'm actually going to see Mike Vec and Bill on Friday. Oh, really? Disco, D. Mike Vick was Disco Demolition Night, so Vick was all the other quirky shit. He, so Bill Vec owned the Chicago Cubs. Yeah. Or was the White Sox?

No, the White Sox. He only had one leg. this is like the modern day he just was the most amazing showman in in baseball he only had one leg and in his wooden leg he had a ashtray so he would smoke cigars and wear Bermuda shorts and put it out

and Vec is in Rack is one of the greatest sports books without question it is so great right up there a ball for and maybe nothing else ice capades Nothing else. Ice good faith. Sean Avery's Aiscafay.

You knew Avery back in the day. Yes, yes. What kind of sort was he back in the day? Exactly the way he is in the media. You know, I wouldn't say, you know, like I would, when he got injured, I went to the hospital. And I brought him, I had a little kid then. I brought him a Nerf gun because I just figured he's going to want to probably shoot someone. And I figured, well, I might have to get him a Nerf gun.

And so, you know, he was actually. quite nice. He used to have a sports bar, 77 Warren, downtown. Oh yeah, it was sharing with Aaron Varos, was it co-owner too? Yes, and in his book, his contention in ice capades, or

as it's known in Canada, offside, I believe. It was a big controversy about how the Canadian title was more hockey-centric, and then they gave ice capades to the one down here in the States because we're dumb and don't know what's offside. Well, to be fair, that is true. Yeah. That's why the chance of rapper sketch works so well.

because you don't know hockey. That's what's up. In his book, he says that, you know, the guy that he was on the ice was an act. And that, you know, in real life, he was nothing like that. He wouldn't, like, try to needle you or agitate you. Uh-huh. It doesn't seem that passes the tough test. No.

I mean, you know, he's, uh, listen, I think that he was great for the game. I, again, I loved watching him as a, you know, as a player. I loved the relationship that Avery and Shanny had. Brendan Shanahan, who I just think is a man of Sterling Integrity, and a great, great guy. And I think Avery was at his best when he played with Shannie. It's funny because Shani and I have kids at the same age. I was like, yeah, you know, Jack, my son's skating. And he's like, your son's skating already?

And it was just very funny. I was like, you know, I think, you know, Lance Armstrong's kid didn't get his training wheels off until he was nine. And it's funny. Now our boys do play at Chelsea Pierce. And your kid's better than his kid now. No, they're different positions. But let's be real, though. Who would get drafted higher right now, say, if there was a draft.

I would say, young master Shanahan because I think he's got a... Oh, wise. Yes. And also, I just love what... Brendan, you know, did for the game when he was working for the NHL, you know, as an executive and what he's doing in Toronto. So I'm a big fan of his. In your chapter on being a hockey mom and backbone, your new book, you quote him.

And I think I quoted him too in my book, too. I think when he speaks about hockey, he's like one of these guys that A gets it and B is able to really, it's a very delicate balance. He's able to capture the soul of the game and why the game's important and why hockey is sort of this beautiful thing, but isn't sort of that modeling, the boys on the pond with their sticks and their skates and going home and having cocoa with mom afterwards, which is the shit I hate, the Doc Embrick shit, as you'd call it. But I think Shannie's always been one to really convey that sense of why hockey's great,

and I was happy to see that quote in your book. I love that quote. Yeah, it's a great quote. And where he talks about, is hockey hard? Is the one we're referring to? And I know I love that with our two books. we've traversed some same territory. In your book, do you have the fact that Wilbur Wright got smacked in the puss in a hockey

fight? Nor do I have arguably my favorite thing in that chapter from you, which is the battle of stink with your son's equipment. Yes. Which I think it's a quintessential hockey mom conversation, but your solution to it was funny, I felt. Yes, because my son is a goalie. and my book Backbone is about living in chronic pain, and I was on chemo for seven years, so I lost my sense of smell.

For those that don't know, what is the chronic pain you do with? So I have a disease called sarcoidosis. So in my melon, so from my medulla down to my C-7, I had a big lesion in my brain, and your skull is a contained environment. So if it was someplace soft,

it just would have popped out. But instead, it was so tight that it destroyed a lot of nerves. And so it's neuropathic nerve pain that I'm dealing with. So to treat it, you have to take steroids and you have to take chemo and sometimes you lose your sense of smell. And when you have a hockey player in the family, you're like, you don't want to parent this smelly kid.

So I was like, what am I going to have to do? Because I just figured, it's funny, I can't smell, but I can experience smells in like in my eyes. You can see smells. Well, I can feel it. Because, well, your eyes are also a mucous membrane as your nose and your mouth. And so that ammonia type, like smack in the face, that adolescent roundhouse of BO that smacks you in the puss. So I don't realize.

I was you call a face a puss. Also, I know that smell. It's a smell you smell every time you walk into Best Buy. Yes. Oh, really? Oh, God. All the teenagers that are playing. playing free video games in the middle of Best Buy.

Like, they're all just, like, there for, like, several hours every day playing. What smelly teen best buyer you go and say whether there's only Smelly Team? Jersey. I really admire your observations here. It's very elevated. Well, I mean, we are, we are, but, you know, passengers in this life of ours, and we need to be observant. Yeah. Right?

So, I just realized that with my... I just couldn't trust Fabriz because I can't smell. So I thought, I went online and I found this stuff called Gorilla Wash, which is what zookeepers use to clean out the cages. And it came like in a big bottle like of like industrial cleaner, like with a spray bottle. And I was like fantastic. It looked like a bottle of fantastic. I will just spray his pads in. But apparently I should have read the instructions because it said like attached to a hose and like hose down your monkeys.

Yeah. And I didn't. And I just, I forgot to wash his jersey. So I just sprayed it. No. And my husband and son had their, like, heads hanging out the window. They just said it was way worse than the smell of gorilla wash. Definitely smelled way worse.

I don't think the Yankee Candle Company is going to make, like, nut cup or winter seasonal goalie glove. Oh, man. So when the boy opens up the bag, it still hits you. You can still. I can still experience it. Like when I, like with my girlfriends and I, if we go to a game, to a game, they're all like driving and doubled over. You're like, this is fine.

Yeah. It doesn't bother me a bit. What's wrong? Yeah. What's the problem? Yeah. It's, you know, if the Yankee Candle makes like some of those, the ones that have, anytime you see a moon and stars in the front of the Yankee candle thing, you know it's going to smell like ass.

It's always going to be like, like, like Uber driver you don't want. It's the smell inside the candle. Everything with a baked good on it is great. Most things involving laundry are fine. Some of the fruit is very pungent and, to me, a little bit overripe. But anything with, like, a moon and stars on it is always the worst Yankee candle. Interesting. Do you don't go smell the Yankee candles?

I mean, I do, but I don't really think too deeply about it. I fucking go to Yankee candle. And I take down the candles. And I get excited when there's one I don't, I've never smelled before. And then even when I'm in Bed Bath and Beyond, I get the janky tin-litted fake Yankee candles and smell them too. You're just going to store it and smelling stuff. It's nearly, it's nearly fetishistic, but at the same time, one of my favorite pastimes

do, oh, what does this fake pumpkin smell like versus the Yankee candle pumpkin, which I knew uses real essence of pumpkin. See, I do think we, this is an untapped market there. Yeah, to make really, weird sniffing people. Or just do like monkey cage. Do things like, I made, I, in my second book, I have a recipe for great. gravy-scented candles. Because I figured, like, most people like candles to cover up the scent of them cooking.

And I thought, why not make bacon or gravy-scented candles? So it smells like you've been cooking when you've been sitting on your butt the whole day. They do have variations of those. My dad, my dad is a huge fan of White Castle. Oh, yes. And they had White Castle candles that you could buy. So naturally, he bought one for himself and one for me. So he gave me the candle.

And I'm like, what is this? He's like, it's a White Castle candle. I'm like, so it's just a holder for. for a non, like just a regular candle. He's like, this candle, give me diarrhea. He's like, this candle smells like a White Castle burger. I'm like, it smells like grease? Yeah.

He's like, yeah. I'm like, do you understand that when we go to White Castle? How do we usually get the burgers? He's like, well, we get them to the drive-thru. I'm like, do you understand why that is? Yeah, yeah, it's a concentration. No one, literally, no one wants to marinate in a room that's just grease and fried onion for all days. So I never never do.

I threw it out. Oh. That kind of sounds like a good giveaway. Yeah, I don't know. Now I feel like a shitty son. No. This is good. This is a good podcast about hockey, smells, chronic pain.

Yeah, we're kind of... That is hockey pretty much. You were following the Rangers and hanging out in the celeb room and doing that whole thing. What was that like? So my girlfriend ran a few. nightclubs here in the city and is a huge ranger fan

one of our girlfriends used to date Messier and that beautiful no that really hot Dutch model Frederick von der Waugh Madonna oh so Freddie you know the one with the kind of lazy eye like Victoria's Secret

probably when you were in like third grade not gonna lie to you when I was 14 I'm looking at models I wasn't looking at their eyes I'm sorry honest I mean if we're gonna be honest I wasn't looking at at the beautiful model going, her eyes a little weird. She's a total knockout.

So as a group, we would all go, we all love the Rangers. And so Amy Sacco ran the green room, which was really kind of fun. Because I get to bring my kid, and it was funny. It was funny as the players get out of their jerseys and have their suits on. So it just didn't look the same. So he's like, what are we doing? year. But it was nice.

You want him in their superhero uniform. Yeah, exactly. You don't want him in like the Brooks Brothers suits. And it was great. That was like, you know, when Yamar Yager and Gabrik, Mary Gabrik were playing, and Shanny and

Avery and of course Lunkwist and Steve Valiquette was the backup then. So it was and we still have season tickets, but my kid plays so much that right now it's a little tough to get to as many games as I'd love. But I mean, I will paint my

face blue. I mean, I love it. And I'll even go to New Jersey. Actually, I... Here, let me give you this blue ribbon. You're from New Jersey. What are you passionate Jersey for? I would go to the devil's games. Because my dad actually had the first year of the devils, we had season tickets. When they were at the Meadowlands? Like in the 80s, when they were horrific? Yes. And I think... You saw one year of that and you were like, I'm a rancher shot. But Shanny was, like, drafted. He was 19 that year. Yeah, he was in the mid-80s.

Yeah, like, 84, 85, something like that. Yeah. Yeah. And I have, like, a cute hockey card of him, like, his rookie year. Is your kid a big Lundquist fan? Yes, yes. And he's actually, you know, trained with Henrik. No shit.

Wow. Yeah, like, you know, like this buddy of mine, E.J. is a Grodney, who's fantastic. He does a lot of, he gets pro players and then they'll coach little kids to kind of get them inspired. And Jack's played at the Ranger practice ice. They have a camp there, which is great for kids. And it's really reasonable. So it's great if you're a fan. I mean, that's what I really love about how the Rangers are really reaching out.

And I think, you know, in making it more accessible, making, you know, opening it up for kids. You know, it's a tough sport because you have to give up a lot. You do. Expensive as hell, too. Yeah. Travel. Yeah, I know. And chances are your friends aren't playing it.

Yeah. That's also a factor. I've always said to me that's the biggest factor from a pure American, you know, when will we take over this dumb sport perspective? Like, I think we have all the athletes we need to rule the world in hockey. It's just a matter of getting them to play hockey. And I always thought the friends thing was a big deal. Like, you know, growing up, my friends didn't play hockey growing up.

We all play basketball. Right. So, like, I always felt that was one of the biggest obstacles to the entry to the sport is, like, when you got a friend grabbing you by the neck and be like, no, we're playing basketball. And you were like, no, I want to play hockey. Like, unless you've got the burning fuel of passion to play hockey, you're probably going to play basketball instead. Yeah, unless, you know, if you grew up in a family or he doesn't, yeah. Your grandpa's a goalie. Yeah, you're just insane.

Yeah, in your book, you say you're the daughter of a goalie. Yeah, my dad, but he was a terrible. He was terrible. Yeah, he was terrible. Old red light duffy. He used to play up in the old sky rink when it was by the garden before it was at Chelsea Pierce in the 70s and 80s. It was right by the garden. And he actually could not skate.

He was, he wore golf shoes. On the ice? Yeah. Because they just needed somebody. I mean, they could have just used a scarecrow. See, when I read that in your book, I thought you're going to be like, yeah, you know, my dad played in the OHA. in 1957. No, no, he just, he couldn't wear, he couldn't wear skates.

Yeah, he wore golf shoes. He wears spikes. And, uh, um... Old broken toe duffy. But, as we, uh, as we, uh, what do you want people to get out of this, this book? This is your third book, right? This is my third book.

And, um, uh, you know, it's really, what's interesting is I think, you know, uh, the reason why I wanted to come here is because I love you guys and I listen to, I read all your stuff and I listen to your podcast and I thought it would just be it would be really fun for me to be a part of this and also to share this message so my book

backbone is about living in chronic pain but not turning into a chronic pain in the butt to everybody else would you mean being a Ranger fan comedy well you know what listen you probably have a huge audience of millions of actors I like to br-h-h-ha-ha-ha.

And, you know, a lot of people who are athletic have injuries. And when you live with chronic pain and a lot of athletes do, you have to understand that. Like, I believe that pain is inevitable, but suffering is optional. And so Lord Byron said, you know, laugh, always laugh when you can because it's cheap medicine. So I really... And the book is funny, too. It's not just like a... like here's everything that hurts.

No, no, no. There's a rhythm to it. It's well written. There's a lot of jokes in there. I feel like it was one of these deals. And I like this because I like these stories a lot where your life's cruising along in a certain trajectory and then shit goes down. And then it comes down to how you handle that. Yeah.

What is your new outlook on life when all of a sudden things go off the rails? And I think that's a really valuable. Books really funny. Your outlook is great. And I think it's a thing that people could read and be like, you know what? I get it. this is exactly how someone should handle adversity. Although I have one bone to pick.

Yes. What is this nonsense where you're like, I'm not a good actor. I'm wooden. I wasn't. You're telling me right now, you couldn't have a Netflix series if you want right now. You didn't think you were about authentic Tuffy and Dumb and Dumber? It's funny. Yeah.

I mean, dumb and dumber was a lot of fun. And I'm still great friends with Peter and Bobby Farley, who put hockey players in every one of the Fairley Brothers movies. I mean, yeah. You're better actor than Cam Neely for sure. I did a scene with Cam in Dumb and Dumber when we poisoned him. Now, I just realized that I, listen, I wouldn't watch any of my other movies if they were screening on my own corneous. Like, if you...

If someone gave you a blank check? If someone gave me... Oh, Greg. Honestly, if you poisoned me right now and said... Like you were C-bath. Yes. And if I, if you poisoned me and said, okay, the antidote is if you poison me. just watch it's hidden in this copy of blank check I don't I couldn't do it and and and I owe everybody who

had ever seen that ten dollars I'm very you played yourself in last action hero right I did yes I know it's just so I know but I mean honestly I am like so my my talent is so sinisterous to these like so small I just the thing is I was just game and I would show up and have a smile on my my face and I play a couple jokes and like but I really just figured all the heavy lifting was to the actual real talent I just was there I felt like I snuck into a party and I was just waiting to get thrown out yeah welcome to our lives yeah seriously like right now well doff you the best thank you so much fellas you still you still are I think in life the person who best wore a leather jacket oh in life when I saw that on MTV I said that's how that's supposed to look

Right. It's how I always felt. Right. Where can people find your stuff? So, backbone is Amazon at debut as the number one bestseller. Blowing up. And it's at every bookstore. And I really think there's a great message that we have a choice.

Every day we can be useful or useless. And chronic pain doesn't have to hold you back. Do you hear that, Lozo? You can either be useful or useless. I think this is a life lesson for you, sir. Why is everybody looking at me? Thank you so much, fellas. Really appreciate it.

Thank you. Our thanks to Karen Duffy. Duff. Duff. Why are you calling her Karen Duffy all of a sudden? Because that's the name on her book, Backbone, available now on Amazon.com and wherever books are sold. You guys didn't, you weren't here for the pre-interview stuff, but, like, Greg really abused the term Duff. Like, he was best friends with her.

Duff. It's up, Duff. Duff. I'm Greg. This is Dave. So Duff. And now it's Karen Duffy, all professional like here. But that's her name.

She goes by Duff. I had the same problem. when we interviewed Daniel Bryan. Like his name is Brian Danielson. I didn't know if I call him Brian or Daniel. Wait, wait. Wait, his name, he goes by Daniel Bryan's his stage name and his real name is Brian Danielson? The WWE renamed him Daniel Bryan.

And they didn't want him to be named Daniel Brian Danielson. Wait, whoa. I know. Yeah. So there was a team of marketing people at the WWV and you're like, all right, this guy's great. He's got great personality. He's the future of this thing. He's so good.

But his name is Brian Danielson. What do we do? How do you make him, how do we make him more? approachable on the cooler name. And like a week went by and nobody thought of anything. At the last second, Vince McMahon walks on, you're like, Daniel, Brian. Vince, Vince McMan walks up and says, Dave Lazo, you got a good look.

We like how you look. The name's got to go. You're now Alonzo, David. Seriously. Oh my God, I can't believe that's a thing. Yeah, that's a thing. So, like, Hulk Hogan was like, Hogan Hogan, Hogan. And they were like, uh, how about Hulk Hogan?

What's your name, son? Jim the Anvil Nidehart. That'll do. Actually, that's going to work out just fine. The Anvil, boy, your parents give you a middle name of the Anvil. Look at it. He's spelled like an Anvil. My name is John Stud.

Big John Stud. That's what we're going to call you from now on. That's unbelievable. What's your name? My name's Ricky Tugboat. Close, but we're going to go Steamboat. Because Steam. Tug is a little too.

It's a steamboat. Sounds like dreamboat. Ladies are going to love you. What's your name, son? My name is Andre Tinyman. Oh, that'll never do. Your name's Andre the Giant. I like how Vince McMahon has become Richard Nixon for us.

What's your name? My name is Com Rod Piperson. Calm. You're not calm. You're rowdy. You're Roddy and your Piper Piper! Piper! Get that son out of the end. Piper. Routy, Rottie Piper.

Dwayne, the Rock Johnson. Was his full name now? He was the Rock. He was Rocky. Rocky. Miavea was his first. Did you know that Rocky Maya Via was his first name? He was... That does sound familiar. It's not his real name. He was given the name

because Chief Peter Maya Vaya was his grandfather, a wrestler, and Rocky Johnson was his father. So he became Rocky Mia. myavia. Wait, but his wrestling name was Dwayne the Rock Johnson? No, that's his actor name. So, first wrestling name

Rocky Maya Villa, then just became the rock. Oh, okay. And then when he got famous outside of wrestling, they're like, we can't put the fucking rock, the rock on a movie poster. Why? Why not? Because that's how Hollywood works.

If we need a real name. If ESPN can put our press releases that says we wish all the best, the PFT commenter and Big Cat, You can go by The Rock in Hollywood if you're already The Rock in wrestling. I'm sorry. Moonstruck starring Nicholas Cage and Susan quotes Cher Jablonsky. Right.

Right. You can go by The Rock. Tom Cruise is in his real name. The Rock. It's an established brand. Yeah, that is weird. I think he wanted to get away from the Rock. You think he wanted to get away from.

I think he was tired of the whole wrestling connection. Because he went from, like, The Rock to the Rock, to Duane the Rock Johnson. What if he ever decides to go down to Will Smith route and stop making like cheesy bullshit movies and do like real serious roles? It's like a story of love through the decades and tragedy today starring Scarlett Johansson and The Rock. The Rock. Greta Gerwig in Rainfall in Hawaii. Dame Maggie Smith. Dame Judy Dench and The Rock in Downton.

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Oh, you're talking about, like, a paper sliders? shredder that gets rid of documents. Yeah, like, if you're like, if you have documents that say you colluded with Russia in order to win an election. Right. You would put that in a shredder. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or you'd give it to Shredder for protection because he probably, it would be very tough to get it from him. You know, I just hired the turtles to get them back. Come on, Greg.

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You get Nick Richie should have got something for jumping a player after a thing? He would have, like, if Joe Thornton, if O'Shea doesn't fall down, it's just like a two-minute interference because he hits him late. They probably wouldn't even call anything anyway, but it just, it was just because his head was ass-slash-hip-high. That's why he got hurt. Do you think that Ken Campbell should have gotten something for questioning the professionalism of Cassie Campbell-Bescal? Greg, he didn't question her professionalism. It was about optics. I still can't get over that fucking tweet.

Ken Campbell's tweet, if you missed it this week, I don't know how he did, was. Cassie Campbell Pascal is a very good, well-informed and intelligent fucking color analyst, but it's unacceptable that Hockey Night has her fucking work in Calgary Flames games. Her husband fucking Brad is the Flames Assistant GM. Now imagine that without the fuckens, but that's just part of the King Campbell impression.

That's the stupidest tweet I've ever read. Because here's... Kevin's laugh at over here. The first half of the tweet and the second half of the tweet just don't match. No. First half of the tweet is, man,

she's professional, thorough. spot on good at what she does. And the second half of the tweets, like, but she also has sexual intercourse with an assistant GM of a team that she's covering. That was the thing I couldn't get past.

What? Like, he was defending himself left and right saying, I didn't question her professionalism. Like, you basically said that she is unable to check her biases at the door and,

and do a game for, again, and it's not like her husband's playing. Or, he's the assistant. He's the assistant GM. He's the assistant manager. Oh my God.

Listen, let me unpack this for a second. We're going to get into Ken's non-apology in a second. But like, here's a thing. Conflict of interest is a very specific thing in our society. It is being in a position where you can financially benefit or your family can financially benefit or your company can financially benefit from a certain situation. Jared Kushner in the White House is a conflict of interest. Any Trump family member in the White House is a conflict of interest.

in the White House is a conflict of interest. Wow, so you're calling Cassie Campbell, Jared Kushner. No, I'm saying that this is not a conflict of interest. I'm saying that these things exist everywhere. As the world pointed out to Ken Campbell, he praised Ray Ferraro for breaking the news that his son Landon had signed with the Minnesota Wild. And he's called games, or at least that game with Landon on the ice. Like, it's not. Eddie Old Check's brother is an assistant coach with the Carolina Hurricanes.

He calls Blackhawks Hurricanes games last time I checked. Like there's so much conflict of interest, if you want to call it that, I'll call it, you know, nepotism in hockey that you'd never stop if you were worried about all this shit all the time. Every, if you've ever watched a hockey game on TV, if you've watched a local broadcast, everybody who's talking to you through the TV set is paid by the home team broadcasting the game. Eddie Olchick does Blackhawks games for NBC. Right. Yeah. If you're watching a game on NBC, NBCSN, TSN, Sportsnet, those networks are all rights, whole. holders who have all paid...

Dockham Rick used to do Devils games nationally. No, but it's not even that. I'm not even talking about, like, the conflict there. The conflict is you're always going to get a biased... Like, if you're watching a game on Sportsnet, you're very rarely going to hear the broadcasters take the NHL to task because they're all in bed together. Not like literally, like Cassie and the assistant GM we're married to. Like, they're all metaphorically in bed together.

So no matter what broadcast you watch, there is probably going to be tainted, like, analysis, no matter what it is. And I don't know about you, but I never would have known an... million years that Cassie Campbell was married to the assistant GM of the flames until someone pointed out because it's an woman because it's optics right which I still don't understand I don't understand how you can rail about optics

and not understand the optics of your own tweet at the same time I think he was doing a bit for a second I'm like he's can't be real right in his his not apology like at the very least he understood that maybe there's a reason why he did this now and had never done it ever

for anybody else with a dick beforehand There's that and there's also, I think he just found out about it and wanted to sound smart that he knew something that nobody else did. Part of it was that could be it too. But like, here's my, here's my thing on optics. There are bad optics for the league and some of the things that they do, like, for example, continuously using Patrick Kane to promote the game. Player safety stuff. Like, that stuff matters at least.

Like, if you have Chris Pronger or whatever, that's one thing. Like, like, analysis of a hockey game. Who gives a shit? But even in the player safety situation, I defended the Pronger thing because he's part of a group of people making these decisions. It's not as if Chris Pronger can be like, you need to do this thing for the flyers, or I'll elbow you all. You know, like, he's not, that's not going to happen. Even the notion of that being bad optics, I thought was horseshit. All of that, though, is, I think it's, I think that is at least worthy of criticism, no matter who it is.

Like, if you're an ex-player. Yeah, this is an announcer. Yeah, right. If you're an ex-player deciding how many games a player on a team gets, there's a, there's always like a connection possible and friendships possible that you don't even know about. Like that, that's something. Like, Cassie Campbell, not being harsh on Travis Hammondick, who gives it fucking shit. You let's not. The moment NBC lets Pierre McGuire do a season of Penguins hockey, the year after he's a finalist for their fucking GM job. It's, it's, it's, it's everywhere. It's every,

person in every game everywhere. But this was, this, this was, this was, this was, this was going too far. So Kenny Campbell got, Kenny Campbell would have never said anything were it not for the fact that guys like Ryan Roshog and Darren Pang and others, like real, not bullshit professionals like me and you, but like real professionals, we're calling him out all night. Like, I think that level of, like, pushback made him realize that maybe he had stepped over the line.

His apology said in part, I keep on calling it that. It's not that. In no way did I question Campbell, Pascal's competence, integrity, to your ability. That's horseshit. I know. He basically said her employer should remove her from the game

because she can't be a professional because her husband's the assistant GM. No, but her, in his mind, mind it's the employer who's at fault for putting her in the situation, which again... Yeah. I thought I... What I did say outright, however, was that Roger Sportsnet and CBC

replacing her in a conflict of interest situation by having her work games and involved a franchise for which her husband is part of the management team. Again, but I come back to the original point, which is that they clearly have faith in this person to be professional enough

to not have a familial relationship affect her work. So that to me is more of a sign of them honoring her integrity than it is Ken Campbell doing anything of that matter. I still, I believe that Campbell has a place. Well, thank you. Her place is in the booth, apparently. Analyzing games, and there were two others that she could have been working that night. I did not question her integrity.

You did. But I believe for a conflict of interest to cease to exist, the perception of conflict has to be removed. matter. Again, it's a very simple concept that we can cover here in the media. Judge the work. Right. Judge the fucking work. Like, don't go into a thing being like, you can't do this thing. Judge the end result and say, this person did this and it shouldn't have done it because it's a

conflict of interest and it shows in the way they did the work. Right. Like, if you, like, let's say he cited some examples of things you felt were biased. He was like, well. Yeah, there was nothing. Well, you know, she kept quiet about this bad player. this bad signing or this bad trade and that's like, okay. If you have something to point out, great.

But if it's just optics and perception, like Kirk Herb Street calls Ohio State games on ABC all the time. And he's in Ohio State cheerleader. No one cares because it's a sports broadcast. Like it doesn't matter. Conflict of interest. You ever watch like a panel and an admission panel on NBC or Sportsnet? They never say anything bad about the league because they're all in bed together.

Like that's a conflict. The short form of this Ken Campbell thing is that he, he's sorry for You should read that You should read that like an ad read Yeah He never he never apologizes to Cassie Campbell But he does apologize for not having called out other instances

Of bad optics He's gonna do it nonstop Because you know he was gender biased We got to this part I'll read it as an ad read A lot of people were angry about that One person tweeted tweeted Ken Campbell's Christmas tree and it had ornaments of with pictures of Kevin Spacey, Al Franken, Harvey Weinstein and others who have been recently out by allegations of sexual misconduct and be as by the way, this is the single greatest trope that I've ever seen insofar as somebody who has to apologize for being a fucking idiot on the internet is you pick the most extreme example.

The things that were sent to me, you wouldn't believe. I had someone mention my family in the tweet. And then it's like, oh, I'm going to nail myself to the cross like I'm Scott Stapp. Oh, my God. Before this weekend, I had never thought of myself that way. Scott Stap. Prided myself on my ability to work forward with women both in the industry and outside. But I do have to acknowledge that it's very hard to reconcile that with the circumstances surrounding my tweet. Very hard.

It's hard for him. Don't you know that? It's tough. It's hard. It's hard out there. As far as the intent of the original tweet, I still believe it's important to ask these uncomfortable questions. This is not about Cassie Campbell, Pascal, or Ray Ferrar or Louis de Brusk, or anyone else who has had connections in those in the games. It's about ensuring that institutions like

Hockey Night and Canada are made aware of these things. Like, they're not. I know. Like, there's some executive hockey night who's like, hold on a second. Like, imagine that too. Like, what if they didn't know? And like, now she loses her job because of this, because like some overreactionary person at Hockey Night is like, oh, well, now they're going to. Imagine, imagine this crazy leap in logic. What about this one? What about this wild thought? Maybe they want her on that game because they figure she would be hold the fucking phone more well informed about the team because her husband works for it. Interesting. That's a nut that's a nutty thought, right? That's crazy. Crazy thought. Maybe you want Eddie Olcheck on the Blackhawks game because he is literally always around the Blackhawks.

Also because NBC can save money and not have to fly anybody in and just have Eddie Lachick drive also because the playoffs are right during the triple crown and you need to have somebody on the air that could be like, great, great, great shift there by Taves. Also, take Dr. McGillacutty and the third. The best is, the best, this is a non-sequitur, but like the best is how like during, that's like during conference finals time and the Belmont at the same time. And they will actually remove Eddie Olick from the hockey broadcast and put him at the Belmont for the weekend because that matters.

And then they still get him on the air to talk about, well, Eddie, why do you think about this second period? Hold on. I got the seven horse to show, and they're coming around the corner pole. Patrick Cain's a thoroughbred. Here's our thoroughbred. Who knows about thoroughbreds?

Eddie-o. Oh, Doc, I thought you were going to send me out to stud. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. I believe it can be avoided, and I think it should. The intent was to point that out. But the circumstances surrounding that tweet that I created myself have obliterated my intent and made it into a debate in which I never intended to wade.

that's on me and I'll take my lumps on that and I'll try to be more mindful of whom I call to task in the future. So he was calling her to task then. Yeah, he was calling her to task and now like you said, the end result of this thing is now a nightmare scenario where now it's not simply just this is dumb and optics are dumb

and let's just judge the work. Now it's I'm going to double fucking down and make sure that anybody's second cousin on a team is going to be called. I was just, ugh. Like Ray Ferrar was going to get the worst of this now because like whenever Ray Ferraro does any game involving anyone because he's there's like a connection too with like Tony Granato or something

right with Ray Ferraro yeah there I think he's like a brother-in-law or something yeah like he's married to another hockey player but I know people bought this up but I'll bring it up too like the idea that this guy calls out Cassie Campbell for doing a game

where her husband is the assistant GM of one of the teams but never said a fucking word about Darren Drager writing about the Leafs while his second cousin was the general manager there. It is insane. It is the epitome of hypocrisy. And the idea that, I'm

happy that he's soul-searched like everybody else that's been caught with their fucking pants down in the last year. He soul-searched and realized the era of his ways. But come on, man. Like, it is so demeaning to think that she couldn't be professional enough to do that job. And that's exactly what he's saying there. And it's great that he's

maybe found the air of his ways. But at the end of the day, no apology for her and the error of his ways that was now he's going to call out everybody for this bullshit conflict of interest thing that he's got in his craw. So it's every single broadcast ever. I prefer to think of it as I think Cassie Campbell has earned the right to be as biased as anybody else calling a game. That's how I feel. Amen to that, my friend.

Go do your thing. It's a fucking sports broadcast. Who fucking cares if you're biased? Like, Jesus Christ. And the underlying thought of this whole thing, by the way, ladies, if you're listening, ladies. If you are in the hockey industry and you want to get into a relationship, please make sure it's not someone else in the hockey.

industry. It's on you to prevent bad optics. I'm Ken Campbell, the hockey news. Troy Eakman calls Cowboys games. Phil Sims calls Giants games. Tony Romo calls Cowboys games. Like, who fucking cares, man? I like to, but I like Tony Romo on Cowboys games. So I always in the back of my mind, feel like he might have some latent bitterness towards the way things went down there. And Doc Brescott is now 10 for 29 today with 44 yards passing. And Tony Romo's like, he's got some open guys. He's not here. Tony Romo's like guessing plays. He's like, I'm going to say interception. I'm going to say fumbled snap by the quarterback here.

I don't know, just a feeling. Like, to me, like Ray Ferraro, I'm assuming at some point, wiped his son's asshole because his son took a shit in a diaper. And somehow Cassie Campbell being married to somebody, that's the one that's the stronger bond that needs to be cracked. In hockey, we praise hockey men for raising hockey sons. Which brings me to my next soliloquy here on the show. You got a lot of rants today.

I don't really have never read anything. I don't think that Kurt Levens is wrote, but apparently he is a writer for Colt of Hockey. You know what his middle name is? What? Kurt Levens Toaster. No, his middle name. What? It's Toaster Levens. You know what that's from? No. Come on. No, I don't. Marry with children. Oh, what? The crumbs inside, the parts inside the Toaster. Not, not have been in my top 90, Marywood Children references. That was the first thing I thought of was Toaster Levens. Shout out references to 80s TV shows. Peg! That's my only, that's the only L. Bundy. Toaster. There's a running back name Dorsey Levens back on the day for the Packers, and I used to call him Toaster Levens. Nobody, nobody got it. I'll go, I'll go three deep Mary with Children references.

The first one was Kelly Bundy as the weather girl, where she, I believe she said there was a giant clod headed to Chick-A-Go. My favorite Kelly Bundy moment is when Bud's teaching her and, like, she gets super smart, but like she forgets, like, simple stuff. and he explains why she's so smart but dumb and he's like he takes a shot class he goes if you pour stuff into a shot glass stuff's gonna pour out of it so you can only have so much knowledge

inside the shot class but she has in the shot glass she knows really well but she forgets what a doorbell is the other one is the one the episode where Al can't remember the song if ever this one

Go with him yeah mm-hmm him and the entire episode is just him like mm-hmm that was hilarious and then my other my favorite one

was the commercial for the shoe store. After midnight, we're gonna sell a lot of shoes. Shoe betcha. Notice how one of my references was not No-Man, because fuck no-man. That was when the show... Listen, the show was never great. Well, I mean, that was Al Bundy's character.

Was he hated all women because he's married to a shrew or whatever? But it was great that they used to hold their meetings in, like, the bathroom in the garage, I think it was or whatever. I think they held them in the shoe store, too, didn't they? Yeah, I was not a fan of No-Man. Married with children, much like how my father poisoned my mind for showing me a bunch of Mel Brooks movies when I was way too young to see them like blazing saddles. Ha ha! The sheriff is an N-word!

We used to sit around on Sundays and watch Married with children, like, as a family. It was pretty great. Married children was a pretty good 80s-slash-90s show. It was a simpler time, which is actually the beginning of this headline on the Edmonton Journal. A simpler time when we read about hockey without shouting at one another. I physically can't read this bullshit again.

Yes, she can. No. How many times have you read it so far? At once. And then I tweeted about how I vomited, and it was only partially untrue. Picture my Canadian impression, but like in print. Oh, the boys in the bund, and they're playing hockey, and they're coming inside, and their mom is hot cocoa for them, and they sit down and they peruse the hockey news

to find out what happened in the games last night with their heroes, their rocket, and the boulder, and the fox. I do admit that I got to the sentence. that said, we were grain farmers. I stopped reading. I was like, I don't need to see. I'll just read one paragraph in the Canadian cliche voice just to get a sense of this thing. Oh, then out came the scissors.

Any player whose official card we had not been able to get, we made ourselves. Taiping photos clipped from the Hok canoes to rectangles of cardboard from shredded wheat boxes. Team name and position added to our best printing along the borders. Stats on the back. If the player was later traded,

we would add, now with blackcocks across the front just like O peachy. Just like Keep in mind This this uh Oh peach Yeah right

The card thing Right Hormones You're sick so like you're throwing me off With some of the pronunciation I'm a little sick I've been coughing up Like I said before

I will I said something else before But I will now edit it to say I've been coughing up What looked like corn pops From my throat For the last like two weeks I was gonna grab dinner

Yeah Wait All right here's the salient part This is the part where we actually get into his screen about the media. The rest of it was just some jerk off nostalgia porn. Do it. Go ahead. Do your thing.

Oh, you may have noticed that I tend not to call people names in my articles. They openly cheer. As if, like, that's, that reminds me of Guardians of the Galaxy when Chris Pratt's like, you keep bragging about not eating me. Like, that's some great thing. Who calls people names in articles anywhere? Like, I mean, I guess I do sometimes. But in a real place, that doesn't happen.

Good job. Sorry. Oh, Johnny. No, good dro. Johnny Badro. I cheer openly for my team I love, for the team I love, while critiquing their play. Critiquing. I'm not the guy who publicly calls out others.

And if I had a bad thing to say about another media person, I keep it to myself. Oh, yeah. Those who live in glass houses ought not well, you know the rest. No, I don't. Tell me. Those who live in glass houses, best not fart. Those living glass houses, better buy Windex. Go ahead, go ahead. This made me.

Go crazy. Okay. The other part is... Go crazy. That is because I grew up in a simpler, more respectful time. More respectful time. We talked about hockey

because it made us happy. Not because it made us mad. We understood every... Did he grow up in the 1980s when the Oilers were just skull-fucking teams? Is that why he was constantly happy as a kid? I don't know... Yeah, that's what I mean.

Like, I don't know what this time is. Because, like, if it's like the 50s or the 60s when, like, women and, like, you know, like, they couldn't vote. Like, like, how far back is this... Like, anytime somebody talks about a simpler time, it usually means it was awesome for them back then. If my simpler time was Gretzky

racking up 20 points in the game against the devils as they beat him 75 to 1, yeah, I might love hockey then too. Yeah, there's probably not a lot to argue about back then, like, Grand Gretzky's the best. Oh, we used to have firecracker arguments me and my brothers. Who's better? Glad Anderson or Yari Curry. Curry had 77 goals,

and Glenn Anderson had 76. Yeah, wait, hold on, let me Google. Let me Google Toaster Leavins here and see how old he is. I think he's a little bit older than that. We understood every... This is the party that made me crazy. We understood every man who made the NHL was good, and none were trash. Yeah.

We felt lucky to have a TV and be able to watch our heroes. There he is. And we did it all because we loved it. We did it all for the NUK. It made us feel good. Come on. The NUCI. You were getting towards the point of this thing, and I completely agree.

He doesn't look. I mean, he looks like mid-50s. Yeah, he's probably an 80s guy. People were asking, why was my reaction to this article so harsh? And this is why it was so harsh. we have to rid ourselves of this article from fucking life. This is a fantasy land. This doesn't exist.

The idea that we should ever entertain the notion of the good old days. Nobody argued in the 80s. When nobody argued which horse shit and nobody got mad over hockey, which is horseshit. And oh, by the way, women weren't invited into the conversation. There were no black guys in the league and so on and so. We have to never do this. And that's why I reacted to the way it is. And also, yeah, I reacted to the way it is because the idea that the media shouldn't call each other out for bad writing and bad takes is nonsense.

It's the only way we get better. Do you know how better the hockey media is after the blogs came into existence and after the analytics movement came into existence and called them for their bullshit? It got a lot better because it had to be because we were the ombudsman. The idea that you can't look at this piece of pile of fucking prairie bullshit on the Edmonton Journal website and say, don't do this. the idea that you shouldn't do that is nonsense you should do it every time because then it won't appear again because then we won't go down this bullshit

hazy focused nostalgia road where everything was better back in the day before people had a place to call bad players pieces of trash well you don't understand that back in the 80s there are no bad players that's just how it was every player in the 80s deserved to be there

they were all great they were all super good at what they did nobody gets that man but no it's on top of it though like the idea of the art The one that drove me insane was like the article is early says, The NHL was built by good men and it was good. Yeah, well, like what, like fucking Bobby Hall? You know, like the idea that we know more about our heroes now, it's actually a good thing.

It's actually making life better because, you know, no one should be put on a pedestal. Everybody has shades of gray. The idea that we now know that Bobby Hall was beating the hell out of his wife will make it a situation where when other guys beat the hell out of their wives, they'll know that will be a stigma that will stay with you. You will not get it swept away. The local cop will not doff his cap and say, oh, Mr. Hull didn't realize it was you.

Could you assign this for my son? That's the Chicago way. Fuck that. Fuck that. Fuck the good old days. They were not good. Well, Bobby Hull wasn't really the 80s. He was kind of the tail end of it. No, but this is hearkening back to the old days when we didn't talk about these sorts of things.

Man, you just don't get it, man. You just don't understand how awesome the 80s were when we hated Russia and, um, hockey was just every player was great and nobody argued in the 80s man we just talked about how awesome everything was yeah no one ever had the debate about kretsky or gordy or any of it no it was just we all just had the same exact opinion all the time forever no one ever burned a cop car and effigy uh in the 80s in the 80s about a hockey game nope yeah like montreal and they won the cup in 86 was it 86 or the calgary went whatever it was see the thing too this guy this guy's canadian obviously he's from edmonton or whatever and like back in that time Canada actually had team

that won the Stanley Cup. So there was really just, we just passed the cup around from Calgary to Montreal, and we just had a good old time. I don't know, man. It comes back to the thing that always makes me mental, which is the idea that, you know,

vulgar talk and honest debate is somehow a bad thing. Now, sometimes it can get out of hand. I don't want anyone sending anybody a death threat over a debate about whether or not the blues are going to win the cup or something. Well, I mean, to be fair,

that's a really stupid thing. You should probably die if you think I mean, let's at least be fair in balance here. But this good old days bullshit, it needs to end. They weren't good. They weren't. Yeah. Well, they were better than the 90s.

They were simpler. That's the only thing you could say is that they were simpler, but simple does not mean good. No. Yeah, like, I don't want to, I don't want to, like, let's say us, like we're 90s people. Would you want the hockey to be like the 90s again? No. Would you want the music to be like the 90s again? Okay, that's different.

That's different. That's that's that's that's that's that's that's program and sound garden and house and Chains speaking speaking of debates can we can we bring up the elephant in the room Look I've put on a few pounds but I mean let's come on why I don't know why you got to I don't know it's December I've had a hard time you got your winter coat I know just like sneakers Jesus God you know I didn't realize until this week how much you hated three on three hockey Honestly no I don't hate it well explain yourself because you you you're you're you were doing your usual thing where you make a bunch of tweets make a bunch of tweets make a Make a bunch of words like mock ironic angry about something

and then people got really like into it. You got ratioed. You got ratioed like nobody's business on that. I don't think so. I understand that you and your other podcast boyfriend, down goes brown on biscuits this week, to discuss three on three. So we won't do it ad nauseum here,

but for the puck soup listeners, what do you not like about three on three over time? It's a bad way to decide a hockey game. Why, though? Because it's three on three. Because the only way you decide three on three is when there's a one guy falls down or a puck bounces over a stick. It's a stupid way to decide a hockey game.

But it's exciting. Oh, it's exciting. There's hockey plays being made. Oh, hockey plays. I mean, my baseline for three-on-three is the shootout. That's the thing, is like, people compare it to the shoot-out, which is the worst thing ever. Right. It's the better thing.

This is the second worst thing ever. Like, there are two bad things. Oh, I prefer to call it a better thing. Oh, Jesus. Like, and the other part of it, too, that bothers me now is, like, three-on-three is still better. To me, a shoot-out is a better way to decide a game than three-on-three by, like, a centimeter, but the coaches now have all, they've all figured out how to play three-on-three where there's even fewer of the exciting things that happen because how many times now do you see

like where a team gets the puck in there, it's three-on-three, there's no rush and they're trying to cycle and they can't. So what do they do? They pull out of the zone. They move the puck back to the goalie. They all change. Yeah, but there's a certain level of anticipation that I think is cool when they cycle back is like, you know that they're going to start skating up ice and go on the

attack and what's the attack of the game? No, but it's going to be the same thing all over again until they cycle the puck around and a shot gets stopped and it kicks out and then there's a two-on-one. It's just, it's all, it's, it's, it's just as big a coin flip as three-on-three for a shootout as it is for three-on-three. But again, my thing is just games should end in ties. If not, play four-on-four for ten minutes. And if there's a tie, it's a time. Well, I mean, I understand where you're coming from being a huge fan of European soccer.

Or hockey for the fucking first 90 years of it, Greg. I know when you're home watching Leicester City that, you know, Oi, what's with these fucking tossers in the national hockey league who don't quite understand why a game can't end one-one-one? Or nil-n-no? Why's it got to be a bloody shootout or a bloody four-on-four or two-on-two contest at the end of a bloody match, mate? That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. That's exactly why I don't appreciate ice hockey.

Too much scoring. Not enough diving. Again, 3-on-3 is more fun than a shootout. Shootout is just unwatchable at this point. But it's just in terms of giving away one third of available points in a game, three-on-three is worse than a shootout in terms of the way to decide it. I completely disagree. Like a shootout. There's defensemen playing their position.

There's passes attempted and completed. Defense men or defense man? Defense man. It's a defender of some sort. It's just like real hockey where there's one defenseman on the ice the whole time. Yeah, it's great. Just like real hockey. It's closer to real hockey.

It's closer to real hockey. it's closer to real hockey and it's and if it's a handy way to end a game you're usually going to get a goal I mean shootouts have been diminished in the last couple years again you're comparing it to the worst possible thing ever yeah because it's a way to eliminate it which I think you can't disagree is one of its virtues you can't you eliminate the that's the thing is like it's this it's just like it's not a straw man argument I don't know what what you would call it but like you're just comparing it to the worst it's like the thing where people call go on Twitter and you're like oh man somebody somebody somebody sent me a Christmas tree with Harvey Weinstein it's the worst possible

Harvey Wig seeing Kevin Spacey and the shootout on it. It's a picture of a 12-round shootout where like, oh, no, now stepping up is the fifth defenseman on the Ottawa senators. Oh, save. Yeah, great. Three on three is better than that. Watch that Vegas shootout last night. It's like, oh, man, here comes Alex Chuck. I'm like, it's a nice little move.

He went backhand under the bar. It was a great goal. Let's be honest, but, you know. Or you can just. I don't, like, I don't remember leaving a game as a tie being sad. I'll turn heel on three on three on three when it gets boring, but I don't think it's anywhere near boring yet. It's not boring for sure.

Right. Even in the worst played three on three is there's a stretch where it's complete chaos because someone decided to take a shot and miss. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. That's just, it's great, but it's also just a bad way to decide who wins a hockey game. It's not, I think it is, it looks like hockey and smells like hockey. and you know

I think you're doing this like clever little debate trick were you ever in debate club in high school because I think you're doing Oh Greg I was a master debater You're a master debater yes you were I think you're doing a thing where it's like You're trying to eliminate

the like slam dunk argument winning part of this equation which is that it's better than the shootout Because that's a bad argument pushing it to the side and saying it's a bad argument So like if I let's say I was like Greg man I'm having a barbecue come on over you're like, great, I love barbecue.

And I'm like, hey, you want a big old shit burger? You're like, no, that's fucking terrible. And I was like, all right, how about a tofu burger? And you're like, well, it's better than a shit burger. It's still shit. It's still bad. You don't want to eat it. That's my point.

You know, I'll try anything once. I mean, if I season it the right way, I mean, it's probably not so bad. It really, it depends on how you make the patty. I mean, if it falls apart in the grill, no way. I'm not going to eat that shit burger. Well, it's the thing that tofu burger is only good if, like, somebody drops some French fries on the ground or the shit burger. And you can go move and, I don't know.

And get the French fries. I have no metaphor for the falling down stuff. The French fries in this case are the 5-on-5 overtime from the 90s. I'm telling you, man. And this is the thing, too, we were talking about is the thing you miss in the new era is back in overtime, when there was two points or zero points, you would get situations where you'd get a power play with a minute and a half to go and you're like, oh, free rolling. I'm either going to get zero points or two points here because, I mean, you short-hand the goal, sure. or if there's like 20 seconds ago or 10 seconds ago

and your team gets a three on one rush again you're playing with house money it's a really awesome feeling but this is the feeling now where you go to overtime and it's just you're playing for a point the whole the whole overtime shootout system is bad and three on three is getting to be more coached out the funds being coached out of it we're not there yet

it's still super fun compared to the first year oh it's way it's still fun I'm not saying it's not fun but compared to the first year like we're scale one to 10 10 being brain cancer one being a puppy how much do you hate the three on three? Wait, you really spun that around on me. Wait, so I...

Ten is the thing, everybody hates brain cancer. Ten is the thing I hate the most. One is a puppy? Everybody loves puppies. Just on its own, as it exists, not compared to anything else. Just three on three. Sure, we'll play by your rules, games master. Six.

No, no, no, I'm going the wrong way. Wait, no. Four. Four. Yeah. You want to go towards puppies. Because you made ten. Ten's the best, but you put brain cancer next to it.

And then one's the lowest. So one should be brain cancer. One should be brain cancer. Ten should be the puppies. Yeah. Like you're just like it's all over the place. So if one's brain cancer and tens puppies, then it's a six. Right.

Maybe even a seven on some nights. But again, I like to see stats. How many more overtimes are getting now after three on threes compared? Or how many more shootouts we're getting? Was that me saying I really like brain cancer? Was that like a Freudian slip? I don't know. Like it's just, is there anything?

Is there anything you want to tell us? Is there you okay health-wise? Well, I keep on having these nosebleeds, but I figure that's my psychic power. I'm going to put you in the upside down. Speaking of Syke, how are you bringing that back? How many fucking shows we're going to bring back? Like, I feel like there should be a time in life where if someone says, oh, man, I used to love watching Will & Grace and Syke.

You should be able to know the decade they're talking about. But at least in Sykes case, it's like Syke the movie. It's the movie. It's not like they're bringing the series back. I'm all for the idea that USA Network just goes movies with all of their failed properties. The Movies. Silk Stockings, the movie. Royal Pains the movie

Pacific Blue the movie Pacific Blue I just love that we live in a world too where we never got a Sopranos movie but we got a fucking psych movie I know Right Of all the properties

Of all the possible canceled TV shows That stopped being And what's his name I don't know the names of the guys on the show The guy who's from The shitty football show Yeah What's his name?

That guy Dule Hill? Sure yeah Like that guy That guy has other things to you. He was on the West Wing. He's the West Wing the movie. Where's that? Oh, God. Yeah. Greg, I look at saying that our politics today are much like West Wing the movie.

Thank you. Only the opposite of that. One thing before we get to the question of the week, kind of disturbing news, to be honest with you. Dave and I have come to find out that our friends at the Vegas Golden Knights have stopped playing sweet golden nights at the games. This might have actually happened in the week that we were there. Somebody on Patreon just let us know today. I don't know if it was today or last night was. I did a podcast in Vegas this week, and they also mentioned that they no longer play Sweet Golden Knights of these games.

Now, I understand why it was one of the worst things we've ever heard. It's stupid. And it's stupid. But it's funny. But it's funny. And so, I mean, I'm of two minds here. One, I would encourage the Golden Knights to reconsider. I think that when you're a Vegas team and you've acknowledged that, you know, you're kitsy and you're part of the whole Vegas thing.

Like, part of the vaguest thing is that there are really terrible things there. Like, carrot top, for example. Whoa. Whoa. Yeah, you're right. He's pretty bad. I'm going to dress like a domino's guy, so I answered a door with the domino's guys there. We're both dressed the same.

That was the hardest part about being there for two straight games with seeing that same carrot top thing on the scoreboard twice and four days. That was a lot. So that would be the first word of encouragement. The second word of encouragement is that the genie's out of the bottle. Horses have left the bar, my friend. We get tweets every night from Puck's Soup listeners. I don't know why they're at a karaoke bar or a wedding or a game in their car on the way to a game.

I had a Neil Diamond concert. They're singing Sweet Golden Nights. This is bigger than this expansion franchise. This is now... And they're bailing on it. In the zeitgeist and they're bailing on it. Commit to the fucking bit, man. Yeah.

Like you're letting your Twitter person do the same Boston joke for four hours. You should be able to commit to Sweet Golden Nights for 41 games. is all I'm saying. People actually like the sweet golden nights thing. They do. You know, they stop playing on the Oregon at MSG. They still do the Potvin Sucks chant years later.

They still do the hey, you suck thing at Devils games. Like you just... Well, that's even better because at Devils games, for those who don't know, they did the Hey, you suck to Rock and Roll Part 2 for years. And the Devils got rid of Rock and Roll Part 2 as the goal song. Because no one knows Rock and Roll Part 1. Yeah. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Oh, I thought it was because no one. could follow it because they hadn't seen the original Thor movie. No. Right, right, right. But also, but the great thing that's happened at Devils games is every song they pick to be the new goal song. The Devils fans just find ways to.

Just wait until it's over and they just do their thing. Yeah, it's great. So if you're a Vegas fan and there's a TV timeout with say, I don't know, under six minutes to play in the third period and you feel like getting it going, you just need some fans to just stand up and just go do-do-do-do-do-do-do. And then where it began and you can just start doing it on your own. is what you can do if you want were you did you go home I think you had already left

I was at a bar watching the Red Wings game yeah you had already left and like no shit I swear to God the Vegas Night Golden Knights scored while I was at the bar and there was like one table with like five guys

and they all started doing sweet golden nights on the second game it's part of it's part of the appeal now real quick our question of the week in honor of the Blackhawks and Capitals meeting

in rivalry night on Wednesday I can't wait to watch that tonight that's fucking such a heated rivalry What are the NHL's greatest rivalries? Matt, I'm not going to... Scooby-Dubnik on Twitter writes, Mike Commodore versus Mike Babcock is hockey's greatest rivalry.

I agree, that is. I love that. Is that a thing? Commodore on his Twitter will pop off. And, like, he ridicules Babcock as being a false god. As being a, you know, oh, look at the super genius. Oh, what an amazing genius. Really?

Yeah, it's great. Huh Stone Cold Dwayne Johnson NBC and Canada Yeah I can see that Someone I can't pronounce their name

But I think this person Hates Jeff Goldblum Says Chandler versus Richard On Friends That's a pretty good rivalry Are you familiar with it? I feel like maybe you're not

No Richard was Tom Selleck right It's someone Ruby M I don't know I can't pronounce it Yeah Oh she put that as her thing Yeah Someone doesn't like Jeff Goldblum.

I thought you saw it. I thought when you were saying that like the handle of the person was like Goldblum, gold blows or something. Eat shit, Goldblum writes. Mr. Jones, one writes, Kenny Holland versus the salary cap, although he's been dominated by the cap. Not so sure it's a true rivalry. Yeah, not for nothing. Maybe that was one he was winning in the 90s. Yeah.

Oh, the 90s is a great time. When men were men and men were good and hockey was good. I'm doing a thing for tomorrow where I'm trying to like, I'm trying to build a super team with all the like, Subant, or not Sue Ban, Carlson, Dowdy and all these guys. And I'm trying to find teams that have Cap Room in 2019-20. And the Red Wings still don't have any. They still don't have it, yeah. They have to get rid of a bunch of people to get it.

And they have to sign like Dylan Larkin and Anthony Mett, all those guys. And on top of that, I totally forgot about the Stephen Weiss contract. Oh, yeah. He bought that out. That's like crushing them. I did that. The Tavares thing this week and felt compelled to at least list the Red Wings just because it would be a thing that he would rescue the franchise. But again, like, you do the numbers.

They would have to literally strap a bunch of people to a rocket and shoot them into the sun. I hope the NHL didn't notice. Like Zetterberg will probably not have to worry about that. Oh, I've got rickets. I must retire. I've got the Swedish flu. My equipment makes me itchy too. Michael Atkinson writes in,

all I can put together is Matt Cook briefly played for Minnesota. Oh, this is about rivalry night. I recall rivalry night once had Wild Bruins, you know, that iconic matchup. That's my favorite. All I can do is put together. Matt Cook, believefully paid for Minnesota and Boston, rightfully doesn't like Matt Cook. That's enough, right?

Yeah, much like how the Blackhawks and Capitals played in the Winter Classic that one time. Yeah. Yeah. And nobody watched that. And so the one's going to watch that. Dan Brunswick writes in, Brandon Dubinsky versus Sidney Crosby or more accurately, Dubinsky versus realistic expectations of CBJ fans. Here's a bunch that were about me, Alice Dunaway.

Always bet you. Our blues fan who liked to yell during our live show. Blues Blackhawks and Dave Lozo versus Bucky Warren. I've dominated that matchup. I win that every single time. Dave Lozo versus Ad Reads. That's like 50-50 from Jace. Dave Lozo versus Baby Driver,

which got a lot of likes for some reason, probably because I win that one like every single time. That rivalry comes in. Despite it being on like everybody's top 10 list this year. Fucking David are like 23. I can't believe David would do that. Like that's a movie David should hate. Loves it.

Because like it's just in that genre. Isn't John Wake 2 about? better than Baby Driver for like an actiony, non-real thoughtful story. Like John Wight 2. Our trivia team name last night at Tap Room, was it 307 here in the city where we took it down again and $100 was

Call Me By Your Hammer in honor of Call Me By Your Name. It was a beautiful movie. Call Me By Your Hammer. Army Hammer. Remember Army Hammer, right? Lone Ranger. He's in that movie. But what is Call Me By? That's not really, I don't know. You could have done better. That was Ruby's. Man. It took like two seconds.

seconds of prodding for you to sell her down the river. I had a better name, but it got vetoed because Chris Wilson, who he did the trivia with, isn't a fan of Night of Day Fiancé. My, my name, my proposed name was, we're only doing this for the K-1 visa. Ruby said it was too long. Yeah. All right, Ruby wins. Yeah, these are some, if you go to the Bucksuit mentions, there's some pretty good, pretty good stuff here.

Lambert and creationism. All right. That's all the time we got. We got to shift over and do the mailbag for the Patreon, which is all your questions that you drop on the Patreon. Thanks to all who subscribe to the Patreon, by the way, for the Bones' episodes. We just dropped the top 10 sports video games of all time episode, and thanks for all the feedback on that. I have to admit that I listened back to it, and sometimes I laugh a lot at this podcast, but definitely the moment when I laughed at Losos listening back to it was when I forget what number it was and don't give away what number it was.

But when Lozo was like, and number whatever, Madden, like which one? He goes, all of them. because you know that's exactly how it should go out so thanks for those folks but you're laughing at one thing over there what is it just a rivalry here's Bruce Brujo versus game sevens oh damn don't forget folks live show Monday night

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I'm Greg Wyshinsky of ESPN. And I'm Dave Lozo, hoping that Greg Wyshinsky of ESPN doesn't get me sick while I've been sitting here for time. I've been sending tiny particles of flam into your eye sockets as we do the show. Is that why you were licking my keyboard earlier? I couldn't figure out. that wasn't why I was looking your keyboard. I had been using it for nefarious purposes.

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