Puck Soup - Matt Duchene, Ragnarok

Episode Date: November 9, 2017

It's a (guest) free skate for Greg and Dave, as the boys discuss the blockbuster Matt Duchene trade and its winners and losers; debate the Hall of Fame Class of 2017 and the validity of the Hall's selection process; Dave rants about dumb media questions; Greg explains his policy on food past its expiration date; Twitter's 280 characters; an amazing moment between an Islander and a referee; there are too many British people in "Star Wars" movies; and a full post-THOR RAGNAROK ranking of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, leading to much disagreement between our heroes. Brought to you by Seat Geek and Blue Apron!

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Part two. I'm Dave Lozo. You might know me from such places as Vice Sports. Deadspin that one time last month. And I think Up Rocks a couple times too last month, but I don't work there full time anymore. That's it. I'm done with my part of it. And I'm Greg Wysinski of ESPN.

And you're in Puckoo. Uh, Dave. Yes, Greg. There is a new survey conducted by Weight Rose. This is a sponsor? Can I rip this or what? I know. I don't know who Weight Rose is. Weight Rose. Uh, I think it's a supermarket, potentially in the UK, but I wanted to bring this up.

Boy, you're telling me a spot of tea in the UK is available in the White Rose. By the way. Bligh awesome. Before we came on the air, Losa and I were talking about. talking about how he he's I don't know if you know this but he believes that there's a in an invasion in Hollywood surprisingly not of pedophiles Trojan horses but but but of Trojan horses of Brits Brits Brits to be Americans and then he feels he he likes when he tells when he discovers when it's like he's ripping off the mask at the end of Scooby-Doo

he's like wah ha I knew it all the time no it's the opposite of that it's like I ripped off the mask and I'm like John Boyag is British yeah him too everyone in stuff Star Wars is British except for Lina Dunham's boyfriend. I'm, I assume he's American. And by that, you mean Adam Driver and that Jack Antonoff, right, of, of, uh... Jack Whatoff? Who's that? Who the hell's Jack Antonoff?

Oh, the, oh, is the real... Oh, the guy that, that helped to murder, uh, the dog. No, no, that, no, he's one of the guys from Fun who did, uh, We Are Young. No, she's, he's the real life boyfriend of Lena Dunham, right? Yeah. And Lena Dunham. Oh, that killed the dog? It killed the...

Allegedly. Lambie. Allegedly, for the lawyers out there, he allegedly murdered the dog. People are saying I killed a dog. Allegedly I did. I don't think he had anything to do it. I'm going to put it on Instagram. I'm going to write it on my book. In my Netflix show where we dove into this, my feeling is that he's just an accessory after the fact, I think. I think he comes home and there's just like, Jack Mayhoff. Yeah. Right. Jack Antonoff. I never heard his name said out loud before. You just saw it read as a producer and boyfriend of Lina Dunham? No, an accessory to murder.

Oh, oh, right. Allegedly. Yeah, no, Adam Driver, not British, John Boyega, very British. When you saw Dr. Strange, did you know that Benedict Cumberbath was in fact British? But think about it. Think about how many... He doesn't actually talk like this. Most Brits do.

They get their words around. They get kind of that Alan Rickman, Bill Clay, voice. Oh, no, you're one of them. You're one of them. Like that scene in Thorragner, he's like, oh, oh, you're from Asgard. Oh, no. Oh, no, stay away. Seriously, think about it like Batman.

We did this last week, I think. Batman British, Superman British, Wonder Woman's Israeli, right? Yeah. Like there's no more American superheroes. Dr. Strange British. Dr. Strange British. Finn British. Ray British.

Mark Hamill. I mean, he's American, but he's like grandfathered in. He's just an old guy from the old. He's literally an old man. Carrie Fisher pretended to be British in episode four. Remember at the beginning? remember how Princess Leia used to be British? Yeah, she had that like that formal, like, talking voice.

Lord Vader, I should have known that from your foul stench, you're out of that whole thing. And then they did the same thing with Natalie Portman and Van Menace. They made her British. People are dying, son of that we must do something quickly. To be clear, I think it's good because I feel like all the British actors are the best actors. But it just feels like they're sneaking them in on us. I feel like the most American public doesn't know this. Gary Oldman is Commissioner Gordon.

Gary Holman is Commissioner Gordon. Like, I feel bad for, um... Oh, Batman. What's his name? Aaron Eckhart. He's like, oh, anybody got a cheeseburger? And they're all like, how about some, how about a little sport of tea there, Aaron Eckhart? And he's like, your name sounds a bit British.

How about Aaron Eckhart is the same name as the commissioner and the original Batman? That's, no, he hit Eckhart. Eckart was his second in command. And then Jack Napier shoots him. No, Eckhart was the big fat. The big fat guy, yeah. He wasn't the commissioner, though. He was just like a detective.

Oh, right, right, right. Yeah. But a guy, I just put that together. Yeah, he gets shot at excess chemicals. I'm slowly, I'm slowly, I've, this is the week where I slowly remember stuff or realize stuff like it's not it's 2017 you know iko iko on a is not sung by the bangles not not anymore did you think that yes for 30 years what the fuck i went looking for it on spotify i'm like bangles i'm like wait how is this song that one of their top five i'm like what album was this on

i'll only give you this i don't know i'll only give you this the singer from iko iko from rain man does sound like the husky voiced guitarist from the bangles i hear the voice from ico ico and it sounds like the voice from Eternal Flame. It sounds, no, that's... Absolutely. Then you need to get your fucking hearing check because that voice sounds nothing like Susanna Hoffs, but... Wow, you know it already.

I don't know that. Hold on. The people, whoever, the harmony on hazy shade of winter, sort of husky voice does sound a little bit like Iko, Aiko. I just thought it was the bangles. I don't know. During their what, their Paul Simon Graceland phase of doing African or Caribbean music? They did walk like an Egyptian.

That opens a door. That opens the doors for all other cultures to be appropriated, I think. The Bengals are a regular Epcot. They're just Epcot of music. Everybody's like, oh, my God, what are the Bengals going to do next? And then it's like Icelandic, you know, it's crazy. It's like late 1980s. It was either Belinda Carlisle, Wilson Phillips, or the Bengals.

Those were the people that sung all the songs for ladies back then. I thought that was the Bengals. Tiffany was at the mall. She's like, I sing the songs too, Dave Lozo. Oh, God. Hi, I'm DJ Scat-Cat. And I'm here to say. That's Paul Abdul.

Right. That was early 90s though. No, she was kind of late 80s, too, I guess. So the survey conducted by Weight Rose found that 53% of shoppers buy from the reduced section more often than they did five years ago. It's called produce here. With that figure rising in 68% for 18 to 24 year old. So basically what we're trying to say is that millennials will buy a dented can or something past the expiration date more now than the 18 to 24. year olds did five years ago.

Well, wait, past the expiration date. The reduced section is, is, that's the stuff, man. That's, that's like, that's the reduced section is dented cans. It's, uh, dented cans. A little bit beyond their expiration date. I'm not talking like milk. I'm talking like the other, like fucking. What, what, what is there past the expiration date that's good to put into your body?

Like, what would you do? Give me your list of expired food. Okay, I'll give you my list of expired food, food that if it's in my refrigerator, I will, eat it or drink it no matter what. Give me a range of time after the expiration date here. Like, I'll go one day beyond what's on the milk carton. One day. I'll go five

days beyond the milk carton. Man, I can't do it. But that's, see, that's... I smell it and it smells bad to me even if it doesn't smell bad. But that's the point, though, that the age ain't nothing but a number, my friend. Oh. Like, you sniff that milk. Jesus God. You sniff that milk, and then you find out whether you can drink it or not. It has nothing

to do with the expiration date. The expiration date, The expiration date is like when you get Vegas odds on the Stanley Cup winner before the season. It's a mere suggestion. It's a mere suggestion. There's a mere suggestion. There's no science behind it. Sure there is. It's a mere suggestion. The milk is fine the day after. There's no science behind pasteurization. Is that what you're telling me? There's no

there's nothing that says that the milk's not still fucking good the day after the expiration date. That's not how they work. It's just like, hey, hey, after this day, I get it. I want to keep an eye on things. Make sure it's not getting a little crazy chunky in there. Like in my mind, like if you gave me like a bunch of cartons of milk and you didn't tell me the dates on them and I smelled

them they would all smell fine to me but the second I see it says like June 14th and it's June 15 my brain's like we're not doing this it smells bad it smells bad I'm like all right fine poor you're a visual learner you're a visual learner no I'm stupid I'm a moron basically that's what it is I uh I will drink expiration date has no bearing on me when it comes to orange juice I will drink orange juice fucking from the like half a month ago and it will not affect me but orange juice expiration date so far in the future like I'd never get to that date. You know what I mean? Like, how long is that orange juice in your fridge where you're like nursing it for a month and a half? It's like, buy the orange juice, Revenge of the Siff.

Drink the orange juice, fourth awakens. It's like that kind of a gap. You know what the worst expiration date thing is, is when the expiration date on the thing is it's either four months before or four months after it, but you can't tell because of the way they've numbered it. You can't tell what's the month and what's the year and you're like, do I need this barbecue sauce or not? Wait until, oh, by the way, barbecue sauce is another thing that has absolutely no bearing for me. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Like condiments, I feel like you can go forever, but, like, dairy products, like yogurt, milk, butter. I think expiration dates are bullshit.

I'm much more of a visual and a sense-oriented guy when it comes to getting rid of it. The one, my conundrum. You're like the daredevil of going to your fridge. People often say, what are you, Matt Murdoch of the kitchen? Is that a true story? So, listen, the thing that always bothers me, the my conundrum. mandarin mayonnaise well don't eat it that's that's my that's my solution delicious and when you have a big old tub of helman's in there and it's past the expiration date what do you do essentially

it's supposed to me what how do you tell when mayonnaise goes bad yeah that's a good point how do you tell when mayonnaise goes bad that's exactly my point for not eating it in the first place bread if bread's a little you toast it it's fine heat it up put a little toasty in there if it's i sometimes cut around the mold on cheese and not tell ruby because i feel like that's it's again Like, it's like mayo. It's like, I feel like that's what it's, it's the natural course of things. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But like milk, I don't, I don't, I don't futs around with milk. I don't, I don't do it. Speaking of expiration dates. Wait, what was the point of you bringing this up? I just tell you the story about the, I'monials eating dented cans of beans. I think you're going to segue into, like, that's why Johnny Goddrow was arrested Thursday

for shoplifting in a local hackme store. Speaking of, of selling off dented cans. But I don't know. There was no fucking, I just wanted to bring. it up to you. Matt Dushan traded this week. So the deal is Matt Ducane was traded to the Ottawa Senators. Cal Taurus was traded to the National Predators. Cal Tars. And the Colorado Avalanche, after years of everybody being like, Joe Sackack is never going to get what he's asking for for Matt Dushane. Do you really think that's what he was asking? Not only got one team to give him

shit, got two teams to give him a shit. To give him shit is the key term there. He didn't get what he wanted. The Colorado Avalanche acquire Samuel Girardi. Girard. He's Samuel Gerard from the fugitive, not Samuel Gerardi. That's right. Jesus. Right. The fugitive's name is Dr. Matt Dushan.

He's been in every Wheat house, drug house, outhouse, farmhouse, and beer house here in Denver. Go get him. Vladislav Kamenev and a 2018 second round pick from Nashville. Shane Bowers

salary throw in Andrew Hammond the hamburger oh he went 21 and 1 and he got Lifetime McDonald's I was surprised in his goodbye tweet

where he had like the little screenshot of his note like he didn't mention the McDonald's thing he put a hamburger at the end of it he put a hamburger

emoji but that's my question now that was the one part of the story I didn't feel like was reported you know in its totality

which is he got lifetime McDonald's from McDonald's in Ottawa is that transferable to Denver Oh, it's got to be any McDonald's.

He goes to. You think he's got the gold card that allows him to get free McDonald's wherever? He has to be travel so much. He can't just rely on McDonald's in one city. He has to go, like, he's on the road. He's like, oh, man, I'm in some city where I don't know anybody. I'm going to go get me a number two. Yeah, here's my card.

And then take a number two. He's like, he's like Kramer when he won the latte. I think you're discounting the fact that most McDonald's are franchised and they're not corporately owned. So I think he got that as sort of like, you know, it's like when the McDonald's your town buys an ad in the local pop Warner program. Right. That's not like Ray Kroc Jr.

or whatever the fuck being like, make sure that we get ankle biters. We need advertising in the ankle biters. You sevens. That's just the local McDonald's. I feel like the local McDonald's in Ottawa. What are ankle biters? Angle biters are like a youth football.

I've never heard that before. Yeah, ankle biters. That sounds like mosquitoes to me. Like you're outside in the summer and you're smacking your legs. Maybe that's the point. Maybe that's why they call that in Virginia, because there's a lot more skaters down there than there are. No, you're probably right.

Yeah, that makes sense. He probably can't get the McDonald's now wherever he goes. I think he had to give him that up. Unless he goes back and... Wouldn't that be the... You play your hockey in Denver. You go back and live in Ottawa, and then the entire summer you get free McDonald's

the entire time because of your past exploits for that team. Here's what he has to do when he gets to Denver, if he ever gets called up. He has to take an ad out in the Denver post that says, hey, if I win a game, throw Popeye's on the ice because I could really go over some free Popeyes for the rest of my life. Oh, look at that.

It's a biscuit from Popeyes. I'm picking up a eat it. Oh my God. Why didn't he do that? Why did the dude, the dude who ate the burger get the free burgers for life? He, I don't know, because he, his last name isn't Hammond. He ate garbage off the ice for the, actually, I guess it wasn't technically a McDonald's. If his name was Brent Buns, he probably would have gotten it. Tyler Buns? The other guy's named Andrew Hammbergler. Hi, I'm Tyler Buns, and I'm here to tell you that playing goalie is hard, but not as hard as running a McDonald's. Food, folks, and fun. Hi.

So then they also get a 2018 first and 2019 third from Ottawa as well, the first round pick from the Senators lottery protected for this season. So you don't think that they did, that Colorado did great here? You're like the only person I think that said this. I mean, how do you know they did great? They got a bunch of future stuff. You don't know what they did. They wanted a player that could play now the whole time.

That's what he was sold now for when he wasn't going to get it. He got, well, he got, I mean, Gerardi is a guy who could play now. Gerard. His name isn't Gerardi. Stop calling him Gerard. Stop insulting him and calling him Dan Gerard's little brother. So, Sam Gerard, yeah, but I mean like, do you think when he said he wanted a player on the roster, a pick and a prospect, he meant Sam Gerard? He did fine. The way I look at the trade is this. Everybody won to varying degrees. Nashville won the most. I would say it's debatable between who won the most between Colorado and Ottawa. I think Colorado won the second most. And then Ottawa what basically was just like,

we're going to maybe slightly kind of upgrade our number one center a little bit and then push everything down a year and we'll handle the contract stuff then. To me, like, the thing I feel like people didn't really talk about, including me, I didn't mention this when I wrote about it, but Ottawa kind of just seemed like they wanted to save some money. You know,

they weren't they trying to get better so much? I don't think they're going to save money if they resigned Duchenne. No, but they don't have to do it until next year. You mean, like, just, well, they kicked having to make that decision and address that year down the line. Right, but I mean, like,

they dump a little salary. They pick up a guy who's kind of not making that much money now. They have to pay him eventually. But for now, it's a little bit of a money save. Who did the worst in the trade? Ottawa. Yeah, I would agree with that. Ottawa, for sure.

Because there's a mystery of whether he's going to stay. I think he's, to me, like, I understand that you can't do anything until July 1st, but I don't think they do that deal unless they're pretty sure he's going to still be there. But he's going to make exponentially more than what tourists would have made there. One assumes, right? I was talking about this with Sean on biscuits, the other podcast. Biscuits back? That is now back.

Oh, it's exciting. Pretty soon we're going to have the three podcasts thing happen in again. But for now, my guess was like eight and a half, eight million bucks for Dushain. I thought was, but Sean was pretty convinced he was like a $7 million guy. So I don't know. The way Ottawa seems to value him, I feel like he's going to be an $8 million guy, which is more than tourists for sure. But why not just give tourists the 6 and 36 and not trade a bunch of other stuff to get the guy

who's slightly better for probably too much money? I'm going to reveal a huge secret exclusively here. on puck soup, must credit puck soup. They didn't want Kyle Turus. There, I revealed it. But that's bizarre. Why do they want him? Why didn't they want him?

Like, every one of my mentions was like... They didn't want to commit, you know, upwards of seven years to Kyle Turus. But why would they want to commit seven years to Matthew Shane? Because Matthew Shane's a better player. Is he that much better? Yes. How do you know? I mean, listen, from points for game perspective, they're kind of close.

But I think you have to factor in the fact that Matthew Shane quit last year. To that as well. I mean, I think the numbers would be a little bit farther apart. Had he not quit? Really? Because if he hadn't quit, what were they going to do anyway? No, no, no.

But that's what I'm saying is that, like, from a comparison standpoint between Taurus and Duchenne... Who played with better players? Who played with better players during their time? Taurus played with Bobby Ryan. Nathan McKinnon.

Cape Landiscaug, Tyson, I understand, is the best... Tarras played with talent in Ottawa. That's what I mean. I don't think it was that much different, though. I think that Duchenne's a better player. He's a game changer.

I think he's a better player. Like my stance when he was available was whoever gets him goes from good to great But I always assumed whoever got him was going to pick him up for what Nashville got for tourists Was like here's a bunch of stuff we're not really kind of using right now anyway and boom we have a number one center a number two center But the way Ottawa did it everyone of my mentions too is like hey This was a conference final team last year. All we got to do is get a little better We can go all the way Which is you know insane argument to begin with but like Kyle Taurus was part of the team that got you to the conference finals

And within a goal of the Stanley Cup final last year and now you're just kind of like he's not really a number one center. I mean, you got pretty far with him as you're not really number one center, and now you're kicking him down the road because you don't want to give him a sixth year? Here are the players that currently make between 75 and 8 and Sydney Crosby money.

Okay? 8.7. It's absurd that he makes 8.4. Stamcoast, 8.5, Jeru 8.275, Getslap 8.25, Spetsa, 7.5, O'Reilly 7.5.

Yeah, I think. I think it's eight. I agree with you. I think eight. I think it's, and that's, that's, two million more than you would have had to pay Taurus, but he's a better player. And, and, and, and I think they, two million dollars a year more better, he's not. That's the thing that I don't, that's a part of the deal I don't get is how he, like, Ottawa, and the way they talk about him, he, like, he'll love Matt Duchin. He's just not two million dollars a year more better than him. Is Kyle Taurus a one or a two in a perfect world? He's like, he's like, he's like the, he's like the centers in this town, like Derek Stepan, I'm Derek Prasard and some bit of Jad's better, but I

I think Turris is better than Stefan. Right. He's like, I would say like Kyle Turris is in that like middle area of number one centers. And Dushan is probably. Wait, wait. So you think he's a one? Oh, yeah. Kyle Turus?

I think in a perfect world tourist is a 30 goal guy last year. Is it a two on a great team? Right. That's why it's great for Nashville. I think he slotted correctly there right now. For sure. But like you can, obviously you can almost get to the Stanley Cup final with him as your number one center. Of course it'd be nice if you're one could score a goal now and again.

Here's the. Are you talking about Jason? Spets. I'm talking about Ryan Johansson. Neither one of those guys has I go, I know Spets is after one, but yeah, it's just, how do we got, well, here's the thing, too, is like, I'm assuming Duchayne's signs, you're assuming Duchyne's signs, but what if our Crosson's like, I don't, I don't know if I want to stick around here. I kind of want to maybe go somewhere where teams a little better. Hey, Matt, it's Eric, I just want to let you know, maybe I'm going to go somewhere else. Like, then what does he do? You know what I mean? Like, do they talk about

that? Eric. Eric, it's, it's me. Nick, Nick, Lids. Mr. Me, Kleidstrom. What are you doing in my dreams? I wanted to tell you that as a Sveed, you have to honor your legacy and join the Red Wings. That's absurd. I'm an ought to a senator. I love being here.

I've got sick flow. My girl lives here. Yeah, but me and Thomas Holmesstrom, Puffer Smoke, Holmes from Shows up. And Johann Franzen, Puffer Smoke, Francis shows up. We all believe that you belong in Detroit to live on the legacy of Svids in Detroit. Sveeds in Detroit. Steeds in Detroit. Then Henry Exeterberg shows up, he goes, I promise I won't steal your girl.

I know that's what you're worried about. You see this flow compared to your flow. And like, I'm Jared Leto if he worked out. And then Pavel Datsuk shows up and he's like, but I will steal your box. And also, no, no, and Datsuk shows up and he's like, yeah, and two boys should never kiss. Right. Wait, get out of my dream, Pavel. And then Matt Green shows up.

I mean, he's like, I'm sorry, you already have an offensive defense, but I don't know why the hell you need to come here, Eric. And Eric Carlson wakes up when they're actually in his room. Like, wait. Are you accepting me? You can't do that. He wakes up and he's like, oh, my goodness, what an awful dream. And he rolls over and there's an octopus head in his bed.

Whoa! It wasn't a dream after all! And then like Ken Holland rolls in and goes, remember that pizza you used to propose to your girlfriend? Yeah. It's not that much better at the arena. So if that's a pizza you like, maybe you should stay in Ottawa. Eric Carlson calls up Ken Holland.

He's like, I just like, I just. had a crazy dream and I just need to find out, can you maybe meet my salary demands? Ken Allen's like, I'm sorry, I signed Dan Cleary to $9 million a season yesterday because we need grit. We don't have any room at the end for you now, Eric. I can see Ken Holland not want him. I could see it. I think he wants Shay Weber more still than he wants Eric Carlson. But like, yeah, if Eric Carlson leaves, Matthew Shane may not stay. I don't know. I still think it's a fine deal. I don't understand why you're so, like, you literally are the only person that didn't think the Colorado did well, and you're doing it for a bullshit reason.

You have, they got, literally the only person. You literally the only person. They got nine, what is it? Nine assets. Seven. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, seven assets for a player. Assets. Yeah, but you don't know what the assets are yet.

I completely agree with you that the shoe has to drop that we have to see what they do with those picks, that we're hoping that your eye turns out to be pretty good, that we're hoping that the Russian kid turns out to be pretty good. I get that. But from a base level return standpoint, when you think about other, like, fucking Larson for Hall and shit like that, like, this was a great return for a guy who didn't want to be there anymore. You're explaining why it's a bad return and your answer for why it's a good return. Why? If you set the bar low enough for expectations, but Joe Sackett can compare it to an Adam Larson, Taylor Hall trade, it seems great.

Sure. But they're all future stuff. Oh, I'm sorry. Is it Barzell and Hamannick and whatever the fuck from the Islanders that he was asking for? for no. Boy, Pete Chiarelli really fucking screwed the pooch in that town. Jesus God. You're told not to talk about that anymore. Oh, yeah. That's right. You're right. We can't. People were

like, that again. Enough. So anyway, welcome to our new segment. Pete Chierelli, what have you done this week? Oh, okay. Well, so Barzell, who could have been oiler, and Ebily, who was an oiler, play on the same line in New York now. And it's probably the best second line they've had since Kyle Ocoso was there. And then also, uh, Taylor Hall is having a career year with the doubles and looking like the leader that everybody

expect them to be on one of the NHL's most surprising teams. And Griffin Reinhardt, actually, I just saw it me the other day. He was actually serving Andrew Hammond his McDonald's. And it was really, really cool to see. It was a cool little NHL moment. So that's been what did PG or LA do this week. Okay. So back to the deal.

So listen, I judge the trade on what it is now. I can't judge it. I'm not going to be like, it's not the GM award where we're going to give it away, and look back and say, hey, this guy did well. That's the way they should give up the GM award. They don't. They give it away for trades like this. So it should be one of these situations where to truly judge the trade, yes, to truly judge a GM, yes, you take three years from now and give it some hindsight.

But as of right now, he got seven things for a guy didn't want to be there. Okay. So let's say. And one of them is at least one of them is a blue chip prospect in Gerard. and then two first round Is Sam Gerard a blue chip First and second or third? Yeah, of course he is.

Why isn't he playing for Nashville? Because Nashville has a billion defensemen. Yeah, but they have four really good ones. They don't have six where Sam Gerard is this blue chip guy that can't get in. He's also a kid. He's undersized. Oh, so now he's undersized. So it sounds like his quality is dropping as more we're talking about him.

You know what? There's a lot of great undersized players in this league right now. Tori Krug. Let's say, I wanted your hoodie. I'm like, I like that hoodie. I like the lace. I like the hood. you're like, what are you going to give me for?

And I just pick seven pieces of trash off the floor in this room and give them to you. Are you going to be like, wow, seven assets? See, that's, that's not, I don't, I'm not playing your reindeer games because that is not the way that it went down. It is finding seven mystery boxes that may contain. Oh, so we're playing, let's make a deal instead. Yeah, or like, like, what, you know, I have a child. You don't, so you don't know about these things. But it's like these blind bags that kids buy now where you go to the register.

It's like, but remember how we bought baseball cards? Yeah, I was going to say. That's what it sounds like. Yeah, but it's that, except now it's like a little figure inside. There's never anything in those baseball card packs. You know that as well as I do. There was baseball cards. You're like, oh, Andre Dawson, 1994 Fleer.

That's fine, I guess. Holy smokes. A Jerome Walton rated rookie card. Jerome Walton. Man, that guy was supposed to be good. Yeah. He wasn't, though. But it's like, so if it was seven, okay, six blind bags where I may have a Batman figure inside

or it might be, you know, Atlantean warrior. A Steppenwolf character? A Steppenwolf character? I might have Batman. I might have Steppenwolf. Justice League, I've come to step all over you. I huff and I puff.

Okay, so in five years, let's say. What? I sequel to that Liam Mason Wolf movie. He has to fight Steppenwolf next. Steppen Wolf, too, two Steppen. Two, Steppen. I've wasted all, man, and you're beating up those wolves. No, you're going to have to take on their boss.

The Steppen Wolf Pack. Like, like, what do you have to get? Like, does Sam Girard have to become a top four? You have to have Sam Jarrah become a top four. Six blind bags and Andrew Hammond, by the way. Plus. But, no, what is, what would make it a good trade? Like, like, what is the first or second round pick have to become?

It's, like, first of all these guys, Joe Sackick will be gone by the time these guys do anything. Do you trust Joe Sackick to make these picks, too? What if it's four? What if it's four? at the end of the day. It's fine. Let's say three years from now. Let's say four years from now.

The Avalanche have four roster players from this trade. Is it a success? Four? Yes. Three. Well, what are they doing on the roster? Let's say Gerard is a... Is Bauer just coming up for a cup of coffee and sucking and then going back down?

Or is he like their third line side? Okay, let's say a... He's a freshman still, right? Let's say top-paring defenseman and then two bottom sixers. If Sam Girard becomes a top-paring defenseman and you get a second-line center out of one of these picks or something, then sure. But, I mean, you're asking, Sam-Jararra was a top-paring defenseman. He'd still be in Nashville. I just think, well, he's a rookie.

I just think that you're being really sort of myopic about what you expect in a trade. Like, look, we look back at the Lindros trade now, and we rightfully say that at the top. time, at the time, the Nordiques won the trade. Well, yeah, they got a Stanley Cup because of it. But also, they got a hall of real players, like palpable players, guys, like Ritchie, guys, like... What Joe Sackag wanted originally. He wanted a guy who could be a guy right away. But he didn't have Lindros. He had a guy who didn't want to be there who quit on his team last year. So Lindrosse was the same exact guy. Only wasn't on a team yet.

He wasn't there last year and he quit his team. Fuck, yeah. Why didn't he get a bunch of guys that were playing the league? Lozo wins again. Yes. I just think that... I think it's fine. I think it could be something in the future. I just don't know.

I can't be like, awesome trade right away. We essentially agree that the only way to judge the trade is going to be down the line. But I just think that right now... And again, like we talked about where the bar is set before. Like, there is something to be said for the bar being pretty low for Joe Sackick as far as, like, transactions go. Yeah. It's like the great Vince Fonson said and Dodgeball.

If you set the bar low enough, you're never disappointed. Yeah. Or something like that. It's like, you know, when you, when you, when you, when you, you know, your franchise made the Ryan O'Reilly trade, which is basically trade a top six forward with sulky aspirations and then have Tim Marie come over and be like, I got you buy a pile of shit. Um, another pile of shit. And, uh, yeah, a third pile of shit. What do they, what do they get in return? There's a big donut, right?

It wasn't a big donut. Hang on. Come on. Do it a bit. Oh, you dickhead. I'm sorry. You see, but you got to say. You got to say the same one way.

But basically, like Ryan O'Reilly and Jamie Ben jokes are so overdone now that you have to kind of find new angles to get there. Like somebody posted, I think, a picture of like a beaver or something and they were like, Jamie Ben hates this or something. Like, you just, there's only so many ways to make the joke. All right. So O'Reilly for Zedoroff, Grigorenko, Comfer, and the 31st pick in the draft at the time. And what did the 31st pick in the draft become? What year was that? The last year?

That was, so it was a 2000. Was it 2015 the trade? Or 2014? I think it was 15. Yeah, it was 15. Yeah, I'm looking at it now. Don't give me dead air. All right, so here's the thing about what it means to play in MSG is for the first time if you're not from around three.

Nothing. It means nothing. But when you get asked the question, there's a camera in your face and a guy holding an MSG, Mike. You're going to say nice things because hockey players say nice things all the time. If you're Shankirk, if you're Sunny Milano, sure. a little something, but also you already know it means something. You're asking a question where you know the answer to it. But if you're Connor McDavid,

if you're Sidney Crosby, you don't care. Nothing's happened in the building in your lifetime. What? A Justin Bieber concert, an American Idol tour, a Taylor Swift show. The guys asking the questions, are thinking about a Muhammad Ali fight from 1962. This is one of my favorite rants of you. These guys don't care. The Rangers have won one championship in 75 years. The Knicks, when's the last time they won something?

MSG has no history. MSG's history is all stolen history. It's like Wayne Gretzky's final game. Yeah, great. You got Wayne Gretzky when he wasn't awesome anymore. Congratulations on that. There's no history there. But if you grew up, you're Kevin Chattankirk and you're from 30 minutes away, sure, of course.

It's like, you grew up watching the Rangers. It's awesome. John Quick was a big Mike Richter guy. But the problem is that you know those guys already love the Rangers and they're going to be like, yeah, it's great. Stop forcing the question on guys from Alberta. The end. The end, and rant. I just stopped caring.

I was listening to you talking. So, Colorado wins the trade. Ottawa lose the trade and Nashville did fine. Fine. Yeah. There were a cup contender and they got themselves a top six center. There you go. They've turned James Neal and Mike Fisher into essentially Scott Hartnell and Kyle Turris.

Could use a little help on the wing. They'd probably get James Neal back. That would be awesome. Wouldn't that be awesome? Like a second rounder? Yeah. Are you allowed to do that? I forget.

Or does that player have to stay there for like a year or something in the expansion draft? Wasn't there like rules against player laundering at that? some point. Well, how would that hurt? Can you get him back at the deadline? I think that would actually, that would only benefit the expansion team, right? Because you would have gotten Neal, and you would have gotten the

pick as well, and you want the pick instead. That's the shit we probably should know. Yeah, whatever. I'll say one thing, though, if James Neal gets his ass back to Nashville, you're going to want to see it. What should you do? Well, I'm saying that, you know, that's a very popular place. You're probably going to have to really

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So last night, and I caught this totally by accident. I had just got home. I put on MSG Plus. It's Islanders O'Others. It's one-one game. And they're just coming back from commercial, and they're showing this play where Shocker, Zach Cassian, was digging his stick into, I think it was Mayfields,

balls and stomach because the puck was over there. And they're just showing this. It's like, yeah, he's in there digging, blah, blah, blah. And then they cut to, like, without really a setup because I think Butch Goring fell asleep while Brendan... You could tell Brendan Burke was, like, hoping Butch Goring was going to segue into the clip they were showing. But the Casey Sezicus, who I believe wears an A, right?

He's one of their alternate assistant. Sounds about right. Yeah. He goes up to the referee to complain. about the non-call on the stick into the balls and stomach thing. And MSG showed it. They had the referee and Norris Zizekis miced up and they just showed this for like 30 seconds as if it was like a common thing that happens in every hockey broadcast.

And I'm like watching it. And I'm checking Twitter to see people who are like, oh my God, like there was no reaction to it. Yeah, it wasn't even like sounds of the game. It was just like it's as if it's a thing you're talking about that we never see is that like they show a highlight. And then as if it's part of the natural course of the highlight, they show a conversation on the ice. Like, could you imagine

like seeing a spectacular save from like Carrie Price or some shit that all of a sudden a second later they're like and then there's a conversation between like Jack Eichael and Carrie Price happening on the ice? I'd never seen that shit before either.

Ever. Yeah, ever. And usually it's like, this is sound to the game brought to you by Geico and then they cut to it. Like they just cut to this. And so it was a really funny conversation between Sezicus and

referee John, John Tingle Flingel. John Tingle Flingle was the referee? I don't know who he was. He's some young. guy. He wasn't having any of Casey Zizekis' shit, but it was funny. So here's the, here's the audio from it. This is Sazicus just going up to the ref behind the net and talking to him about Cassian's stick to the stomach balls area thing. Then they laugh and skate away and it's all

hilarious. Either Gord Dwyer or Eric Furlat, who you think it was? Um, what's he wearing there, 27 or 19? He was wearing 19. 19. So that'd be Gord Dwyer. Gord Dwyer. Gord Dwyer was a good natured about it. And it was, like, I watched it again, and Sazikas kind of makes a good point. Like, you're basically spearing a guy when you do that. You're not really going for the puck. And then the referee's responsible was there's a dirty play. And he's like, well, why don't you call it? I'm not calling that.

Wait, what? But I don't know why every broadcast doesn't have that at least once during the three periods. It should be said that that was in the third period, right? Yes. Exactly. So this was a discussion that Merrick and I used to go to war over. And this is now, this is my Roswell crash. Like.

Great. So now I have to be the new Merrick and absorb this from you, whatever it is great. Please make obscure references the sarniest thing for the rest of the podcast. I saw this happen at a game once in Chacutomi. Against the Saul-St. Marie pirates. Or whatever they're called. The Salt St. Marie pirates, of course. Vicious horse rival of Chikuna Bay.

No, I would argue with them to the ends of the earth about how referees don't actually call penalties. They call the narrative of the game. And at that point, in the game, it's... There's 1-1. They're not going 4-on-4-4 because the other team is Connor McDavid and Leon Dreisdell, as we saw in the overtime. I was going to say, yeah, Zizek is like, I'll take him at 4-on-4-me. Meanwhile, Tavares was on the ice for the three-on-three loss.

Right. The goal that happened. So, like, of course they're not going to make it 4-on-4 at that point for basically something that, you know, Cassian instigated, right? Yeah, but, like, why I didn't see the play. The Mayfield get up and, like, slug them? Because I don't understand why Mayfield would get a penalty there. I didn't see the end of the result of the play either.

I only saw the highlight that you tweeted out. But like, you're at the game, were you? Yeah, but I don't pay attention at the game. There was a guy with a giant Canadian flag with a flag with a weed leaf on it at the game last night. Oh, Merrick was there. Why do we bring him on today? Pride of Snowville. So he, so like, again, like, I've always argued this shit about how, you know, that's obviously a penalty.

You can't spear a guy while it's in the fucking ice. He just can't. But at that point in the game. One, one, eight minutes to go. Let the boys play. Oh, let them play. Let them decide the game. And at what point do you not, like, you know, again,

It's like how we always talk about with like the heart trophy race. It's like a goal in April is worth as much as a goal in October. Well, a spear to the stomach in the first period is as illegal as a spear in the stomach of the third period. Where the game is should not fucking matter. Unless it's a tiki-tacky penalty in a playoff overtime. Yeah, you're not going to get me to argue with you on that one. I'm on team with Sinski. No, I know.

This has been a segment called Preaching to the choir. Brought to you by. Brought to you by. The Mormon tablacal... Oh. We do it the same one. No, oh, wait. Mormonism is not Scientology.

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I have a very high the titan count. Are they on you or are they in you? No, they're in me. They're in you. They count the the titan counter counts the thetans in you. Oh, unless they're like haunting you. They're like, are they around you at all times? I remember watching the Scientology documentary and they would like wave like the Ghostbusters like, like,

EKG thing around you and that would determine whether or not you had high fetons. And of course, everyone always did. That's why the, for all the talk about like what's the greatest South Bark of all time, the Scientology one is the greatest one of all time for the simple fact that that that entire segment, is straight from dionetics and they actually flash in the screen after doing it this is actually what Scientologists believe

and there's nothing hyperbolic about it or anything they just play it straight and it's the greatest satire ever done because of that. South Park was pretty bad last season when Mr. Garrison was Trump running for president

but this season like Cartman has a girlfriend and like he keeps crying all the time when she dumps him. It's pretty freaking good. I've enjoyed this season a lot. Me and producer Kevin was talking about that before the show actually the fact that like

you know there's so many people in comedy now that don't know that didn't know what to do in the error of Trump that are now trying to reestablish their footing. Like we're talking about how Bill Maher had to take weeks off because he just couldn't take it anymore, having to try to create comedy around the chaos and life. Wait, Bill Maher created comedy at some point?

What did that happen? I love a guy who does his opening monologue and then yells at the audience for not laughing every week. That's always my favorite part of the show. New rule. Never sneeze on the buffet. Seriously, what's with these people sneezing on the buffet? Why is there a sneeze guard? And the crowd just goes, uh, and he just glars at him and goes, oh, oh, I can't talk about sneeze guards every week. He's done this for like 15 years where he yells at the audience for not laughing in his jokes. He's never once turned them like the microphone back or the microscope back on himself. The audience is all preist-driving liberal of liberal people that come to see the show. And then he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, new rule. Don't come to my door with Girl Scout cookies. And people are like, what? He's like, what? He's like, what?

What? I can't say that little kids can't come to my door and try to raise money for charity or whatever. What? New rule. Push Girl Scouts and volcanoes. Oh, boo. Oh, boo. I can't push a Girl Scout in a volcano now, huh? Is that what this is all about? What? I can't make a sacrifice name of Kewanalaala. Is that it? Iko, Iko, ain't. By the Bengals. The Bengals classic. The best is how he laughs, too, during all this setups. He's like, you see him the news that top. Trump. He went to China. He's got a real flaw in his game. He's got a real flaw in his game, though. He's got a real flaw in his game, which is that as much as he can be a champion of liberalism, he's got a real hardcore kind of like anti-Muslim thing that goes on. Oh, yeah, every couple of weeks. I haven't watched it. I ever since he had my little. And he'll have like, Rob Reiner on. And Rob Reiner's like, yeah, that's like, yeah, that's why Trump should be a beach. And the crowd's like, yay, yay, yay. And that's why his immigration plan is through. Yeah, but you know. Here's the thing. Here's the thing about Uber drivers.

Yeah. Boo, what? I can't say Uber drivers. You should all be Lily White in California? So Trump goes to China. That's a good. And he's, and God, that's a good one. This is a good hockey podcast.

We've hit Bill Maher. We've hit British shopping. Here, I'll bring it back to the hockey. Ducks and Kings last night was one of the best, was the best hockey game I've seen all year. I fell asleep for pure chaos and hatred. That is. a next level rivalry in this league right now

in a way that no one else is because they're competitive it's not like Penguins Capitals? Is it better than Bruins Rangers the night you left to hate? Rivalry night. Well, I mean, it is in this it isn't in the sense

that there are so many Bruins that are in awe of playing at Madison Square Garden you know, for the first time for the 90th time. There's a lot of dudes I think playing their first game tonight at the Garden because they have all these guys

from Providence up because like Crachy and Bacchie and Bacchus are all out and I like Charlie McAvoy he's from the area he's a ranger fan growing up Yep. Ask him. Fine. You take a bunch of assholes for L.A. What's it like playing your first game here?

You take a bunch of assholes that play for Anaheim. You take their king, Corey Perry. You put him up against a impulse control problem goaltender and Jonathan Quick. Yeah, he's... It's the greatest. It's such a great rivalry. There's so much hate there. And the only time it's ever really on rivalry night is like after the 7 o'clock game.

Oh, no, actually, they never do back-to-backs. They always put Ducks Kings on at like Tuesday at a 10-30 after the Tuesday game. can't NBC bill it be like we want to put this game on at nine o'clock on a wednesday and so start the game at six o'clock in the west coast because when why do they start rangers at eight because when why do they start at home to watch bruin's rangers at five o'clock like why you started at seven that's a huge inconvenience for ranger fans and now have to be on the concourse until eight 30 trying to get beer after staying out until eight before getting there like i was just this morning i was just talking to um to adam adam uh is there anyone of the team named adam who's who's on the one who's young, that's not Charlie McAvoy. Frank Petrano. Thank you. I was like, Frank, what's it like to play here? And he's like, I got to tell you, it's pretty awesome for me to come in and, you know,

first seven minutes of the second period, have nobody in the seats in the lower bowl. It's pretty amazing. It's a great experience for me. Growing up, I've always wanted to do that. Charlie McAvoy's family is going to be the only ones that are actually in their seats at the start of the game. That's how you'd be able to identify them. By the way, Charlie McAvoy plays in Boston, which is closer to New York than Matthew

Shane's hometown is to Ottawa. I just want to give you a little. You'll read this on ESPN this week. I'm doing a story on McAvoy and Charra. But I had one of those moments where you go for a question and you think it's going to produce something great, but it doesn't. Oh, give me the question. What did you ask? I rightfully noted to Charlie McAvoy that mathematically Zadena O'Dara could be his father.

And here's the thing. Wait, how did you think that was going to go? Well, I thought that maybe he would be like, I don't know, whimsical about it. See, like, I'm so old now that, like, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm not asking Charra that though. No, no, no. Because I value my health. Right. I mean, he would snap you in half and be like, I am not illegitimate father of teammate.

No, but like, I start throwing me around like fucking Loki. Like, whenever I, whenever I we're not doing yet help. Like, I'm so old now that like I worry about like mentioning a parent to somebody because like I think like they're old enough now where like they could be dead. You know what I mean? Like I'd be afraid to ask McIvoy that question even though he's like 19, right? I'd be like, hey,

this guy could be your dad and he would just go, actually my dad died when I was seven. That's the stuff I think about when I ask questions about like older people now because I'm old and I'm closer to death and life. That's because neither you or I are a real reporter. Oh, yeah. In the sense that like if Bruce Arthur is talking to somebody and he'd be like, so is Charo is kind of like old enough to be your dad, huh? Yeah, my dad died when I was seven. And then Bruce would be like.

Then he write a 400 word or 2,000 words story about the dad. Then I'm so proud of you for the man you've become. And then they both like cry. and then Bruce writes the Pulitzer Prize winning or whatever Canada has. And like me and you would be like... You would be like awkwardly changing the subject. You see Thor Ragnarok yet? It's pretty awesome.

It's a good movie. Hey, do you... Oh, wait, Thor's dad. Oh, wait, I got... Do you like popcorn... The popcorn here at MS. She's really a salty. Or whatever. Wait, so he never really gave you a good answer?

He no sold it. He basically... Because the thing was, it wasn't that it was a terrible question, patting myself in the back. It was that he knew essentially that to address the topic would be to A, take himself out of the I'm, we're all just players in the room kind of thing that guys at his age have to do.

Yeah. Like, don't ever talk about how you're in awe of playing with, the only exception to the rule is Yager. Like, you can freely say, I'm in awe playing with Yager because Yager is, like, above, above there, is a deity. But if you're in Chicago and you're like, you know, Alex, the Brin-Cad, the Brin, I've kind of fuck of his name all the time.

Alex DeBrin-Cat. To brinket. I'm so sad. That's not how it's pronounced. It's like, it's like de brinket or something. If you're kiddie, if you're kitty and you walk in and you're like, yeah, I saw, I saw Jonathan Tave sitting near me and I was in awe. Like, you're going to be fucking goofed on for that.

Yeah. Because you're a fan boy. So he didn't want to do it because of that. But I also think he didn't want to do it because I think he's genuinely afraid of Zedanojara. And also he's 19. How many good answers have you ever gotten in a locker room from someone who's 18 or 19? Like, they're still figuring out how to talk to the media and stuff. The only, I was just.

There's a voice in their head, like you said. It's like, don't disrupt the locker rooms. I was thinking about that the other day. There's one guy, whoever was great even at that age. Who's that? Stamcoast. Stamco's been an amazing talker. I remember talking to Stamcoast in his draft year about the fact that the owner of the team made the saw movies.

And he was talking about how like, I want to be in a saw movie. I got to find where this guy is and get me in the saw movie. Really? Yeah. He was great. Like, he's always been great. But like all those other guys. I'm like, McDavid doesn't say anything.

I mean, he said something on our. podcast because we're brilliant interviewers. Well, I was a part of that interviewer. But I am. And then Austin Matthews is very practiced in the dark arts of saying nothing. Jack Eichael is a talker but doesn't know he can be a talker yet. And he's also on the Sabres, which means that essentially there's a very good chance that he will fall into the dark morose abyss of emo emotions that Ryan Miller fell into. What's the point anyway?

We're just going to lose. Yeah, right. It's all just darkness and sadness up here anyway. Right. Every game was like, Ryan, good effort tonight. Only a 5-1 loss could have been 8-0. You made 51 saves there, but you seem to lose by 7. What was that like? He's like, yeah, I mean, granted, it's better than the alternative. Jumping into a dark black hole and disappearing and never seeing light again. But playing with the Sabres is a pretty good, I guess, step away from that. Excuse me, guys.

Turns up the stereo. Love, love will tear us upon. Guys, we put Dashboard Confessional on? You know, it'd be lost. I like to listen to Dashboard Confessional after a loss. But, yeah, Eichl's a talk or too. He just doesn't know he can talk yet. Or maybe he doesn't have anything to say yet because the team blows.

Yeah, I remember talking to Sagan and Hall when they were 18 or 19. Yeah, Sagan was pretty good with his kids. Sagan was okay, but he was such a dick. He was a little cocky prick. Oh, yeah. But he still is now, but at least he has personality. Think of that draft. So he's number two, but he looks like Tyler Saga.

And Taylor Hall's number one. doesn't look like that was like. Wait, what do you mean? I was saying on the attractiveness scale. You don't think Taylor Hall's attractive man?

I think Taylor Hall is a good-looking guy. I think most would agree and not simply because of his his boudoir photo zamboni shots. We do the same show every week. That's all I say against a better-looking man. Um,

I don't know. I feel like I've seen Taylor Hall up close. He's... I think it's closer than, I think it's closer than, you would think. It was very close to their draft year, one and two. I remember, I remember. Taylor versus Tyler. I remember when Nolan Patrick and Nico He's here were getting drafted and they were both on camera and they both had like, I thought they had really good hair as a bald man.

I'm a hair connoisseur. I was like, these guys have great hair. And I tweeted it. And everybody was like really all over me. They were like, Nolan Patrick's hair is 10 times better than Nico's. Yeah, because Nicos looks like he's, he looks like he's in sort of a, they have the same hair. He looks like he's in sort of a European boy band. Is that bad?

I don't know. Is it good? Nolan Patrick has sort of got that Aaron Eckblad thing of being older than he should be. See, I don't see that. You don't think so? I feel like Aaron Eckblad at his draft here looked like he was a 32-year-old dad, for sure. I don't get that vibe from Nolan Patrick at all. If Aaron Eckblatt was a little league pitcher, I don't think he would have been eligible.

Oh, for sure. If he was in my little league, I would have been like, why does someone's dad get the pitch to me? This is stupid. I can't hit someone's dad. We have some questions about Aaron's eligibility. Why is that? He has a full beard at 13. Aaron, put out your cigarette and come talk to the umpire.

Hey, what's up, man? I just want to let you know. My dad says I'm eligible. Can we get this done? I got to get down to the docks and work. Dude, can we make this quick? I got tickets for my favorite band tonight. Oh, who's that?

Foreigner. What? How old are you? 13. I hate those seats in the arena. They really hurt my back. They're so hard in plastic. Oh.

I mean, I can't wait to go to the amusement park. Yeah, it's a crazy world we're living in a row, right? Yeah, Aaron, I know, right? But, I mean, he has a kid. It should be, I know, Nixon, I don't know, man. Got feeling we're all going to be in the jungle one day. What the fuck? You're third?

What? Aaron Eckblad's like living with Willie Mitchell, and Willie Mitchell's like, man, mortgages do, and Aaron Eckblatt, like, sits on. He's like, well, I think you can refinance. And here's the best way that I would go about doing it. I would take out a second mortgage, and I would, wait, aren't you 18? I'm 38. I'm 18, yeah.

Yeah, sure. Hey, guys, let's have a little team bonding tonight. How about a game of trivial pursuit? Yeah, I want Ekblad. I want Ekplad. Ecklad's going to be on my team. In 1947, Frank Sinatra had a hit with New York, New York. Love that guy's albums.

Good stuff. I mean, boy, uh, Pokemon, right guys? Oh, boy, I got a jiggly puff the other day. It was great. Beanie babies, these kids today with their, I mean, me with, I mean, Elvis, man, that guy could say. I'm reading Steve Martin's book, by the way, about his comedy career,

and he was talking about how he used to open for Anne Margaret in Vegas, and one day he saw the most beautiful woman he ever seen walking down the hallway, and it was Priscilla Presley coming back to their dressing room to meet them, and behind her was Elvis, and Elvis was wearing a full white jumpsuit with a big flashy belt. Sure. And he said to Steve Martin, something along the lines of like,

man I don't really get your comedy but you keep doing what you're doing and then and then he showed him his guns he took out the bullets and showed Steve Martin the three revolvers he had oh literal guns not like thunder and lightning muscles no like his literal guns is what he had

this is what you get when you play the guitar get some buys and tries thank you very much it's one of my I neither of us are old enough to be like Elvis no like have ever ever had any like cognizant feeling but the one thing I

always loved about him was the idea that he would not like, and this is probably just the Simpsons joke, but like he doesn't like what's on TV and he just shoots the television. Like, it's just the greatest thing I've ever heard. Wait, you think Iron Eklad does that? Man, what the hell's I love Lucy? Want to watch me some Lucy? The Hockey Hall of Fame inductions are next Monday, my friend. Boy, do I not care.

Why don't you care? Who are they again? It's like Andrew Chuck. Well, it's Andrew Chuck, Solani, Korean, and Recky, the Reckonball. But you got to care about Slani and Korea. I don't think Paul Korea should be in the Hall of Fame. Why not? Didn't make enough cultural impact?

I don't care about cultural impact. I care about, like, good hockey careers, great hockey. Like, again, my Hall of Fame is a super exclusive. I don't care. Do more than that. Point for game is in a Hall of Fame career. Don't get injured? So Taylor Hall right now is having a Hall of Fame season is what you're saying.

You don't make the Pat LaFontaine, Sandy Kofax, and your Eric Lindross argument for a guy like Korea, that, you know, he was one of the best players. all time, but his career was woefully cut short by injuries? You're misreading it. He's a Hall of Famer based on the standards of the Hall of Fame that exists today. Right. 100%.

He just wouldn't be in my Hall of Fame. My Hall of Fame would have like 14 guys in it. That's it. Paul Correa was... Think about it. Like, even when he was playing and he was active, was he like a guy you had to put on TV to absolutely watch? No.

He was really good. He just wasn't... Just because he was in the Mighty Ducks movies doesn't mean... Or one of them doesn't mean he's a Hall of Famer, cultural impact. I think one of the things that I find interesting about... Because you and I are actually more sympathetic go on the Hall of Fame than I think you realize as far as how it should be restricted to generational players. Like generational talent. Like, Dave Andrewsichuk should be in the Hall of Fame based on the standards that exist, but he shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.

But the caveat I would make for a guy like Andrew Chuck is surprisingly the same caveat I'd make for a guy like Clark Gillies, which is that you also have to make room in the Hall of Fame for people that are really the best ever at what they did. There is nobody better in front of the net than Dave Andrewsuch. there was nobody better playing the role Clark Gillies played than Clark Gillies. Like, there's something to be said for that. Now, granted, that's a level of specialization that usually applies to the pro football Hall of Fame because, you know. Like hunters. Yeah, because Joe Montana's in the same Hall of Fame as a punter.

Yeah. But, like, I think there's something to be said for that in the hockey Hall of Fame. You know, that's defensive defenseman of his generation. He didn't put up the points, but he had the, you know. But that's not a position. That's just the thing you can do while you're playing. the position. Right.

You know? But I think there's something to be said for that. I think Hall of Fame should just be like Gordy Howe, Wayne Gretzky, Bobby, or. Eric Carlson. Like two goalies. That's it. That's all we need. Just go over there and see those guys' equipment and then leave.

Okay. Snidey McSnterson. Who are the two goalies? Uh, hashik and wah. Motherfuck. Zing. You know, there was a diplomatic way to do that, and it would have been Jacques Plan and George's Vesna. But no.

I just Like it just drives me nuts how like Who's the dude who got in last year or two years ago Who was like eligible for 30 years and never got in? Mark Howe? No But that was that fit your criteria? Oh, Rogi Vichon.

Rogi Vichon. So Rogi Vashon retired in like 1912 Didn't get in the Hall of Fame for 100 years And then one day they're like, you're a Hall of Famer now. What's same thing as Mark Howe? What changed about Mark Howe's candidacy? No, I get it. I agree.

And they're going to do the same thing with Kevin Lowe at some point. point where they're going to look back and be like you know he should be in oh it's a it's a good old boys room and a good old boys hall of fame and everybody just wants to be able to get let's see yeah we haven't me and the oilers haven't gotten together in a few years let's put another oiler in the hall of fame what the reunion it's because the dude in the panel are like they they love the the again it's like the guys who like eric lindross took forever to get in because like the voters didn't like him because he was a salty little dick or whatever yeah pa carrie a great guy let's get pa carrie and well i think

there's something to that too about Korea. Like I feel like there is sort of that he deserves to be in. We feel we feel we feel it's almost like guilt. Like we feel guilty that the league was so fucked up when it came to concussions and headshots. Yeah. That this guy had his livelihood and his, you know, chance to be a hall of him or taken away from him. So we're going to give him the accolades. He probably would have earned anyway. Yeah, but like Eric Duhach, why would Eric Duhachik feel guilty about that? He wasn't running the NHL in 1997. No, but Eric Duhac and guys like that are very, very sympathetic to players that have gone through what Korea went through. Like the same people that put Paul Curry in the Hall of Fame were like, you know, Evgeny Malkin's not one of the hundred best players to ever play the game. You know what I mean? Like, I'm tired of those people judging. And again, it's like this thing where people just bend over

to find reasons to put guys like Curry and Andrew Chuck in. It's like, Korea should get in because his career was cut short. But Andrich should get in because his career was so long. But that was penalized for that. Yeah. For years and years and years, it was like, well, the only reason he scored all those goals is because he played forever. I'm like, you're going to penalize a guy for having played too long? This sport is designed to end people's careers prematurely, and this guy is now being penalized for having played too long. Exactly.

It's crazy. And now they're both getting in at the same time. And meanwhile, what's his name? Who's the Iron Man guy now? He was played like 800 games. Cogliano probably, right? Yeah. But like, everyone's praising that.

I feel like that just kind of happens by accident. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's more luck than determination. Like, oh, he's just tough. Like, yeah, I'm sure he is, but you're also catching breaks where pucks aren't hitting you in the jaw. You're not, like, getting slashed. Like, you're not losing a finger because Cindy Crosby slashed you. Or, like, you know, in pronger's case, like the pronger injury was freak what happened to him or ended his career.

Right. It wasn't by virtue of the way he was playing or anything of that. He's not, he wasn't soft. He just, you know, when you get hurt, it's just, most of the time, it's just a random sort of. It was because he was training incorrectly or something. Yeah, or it's either that or, you know, Zach Rinaldo seeks you out because you touched her, his team. I think essentially what you're saying, though, is that this year is a truly elite hockey god in Timu without question. Yeah, for sure. And then three very goods.

Four years too many. You shouldn't force the four guys. It should be two tops, two guys a year. If you're not one of the two best guys when you're up for it, then you don't get in. I think that would actually do a lot better because the two guys this year would be Solani and who is it? It's Korea. It's Korea, Slani, Recky and Andrew Chuck. Yeah, Recky, another guy. where I'm like, he deserves to get in based on the criteria they've established. But is he really, like, ever a dude?

You were like, man, I got to put this game on. Mark Recky's on the ice. So is that the standard? The standard is where they must-see player? They need to be a must-see player who has incredible numbers. Like next year, it's next year the eligible guys are Brodor and... In? Without question.

Right. Like, if there's two dudes, it should be Brodor and whoever... No, it's not pronger. So to use your standard, is Ronica a Hall of Famer? No, God, no. He's not even a He's not a Hall of Fame

He's not a Hall of Fame Is the Ginnla Hall of Fame Standard? Yes, by my standard Againla 625 career goals

tied with Sackick More than Bobby Hallhead I think he's a Hall of Famer I mean even by your standard If your standard Is on ice accomplishment Plus

Did I make time to watch him? I sure shit made time to watch Yegi Maybe because the Calgary Flames were bereft of other reasons to watch them But I know that I was very

I know living in Washington, DC, I purchased a ticket to watch the flames come to town because Iggy was going to be there. I know that for a fact. I did that. Yeah, Iggy's in my Hall of Fame too. He's like in that, again, like in my Hall of Fame, I would have like it be like a big giant

pyramid where like at the top you had to really work your way to climb to go see Gratzky stuff. Like again, it would be probably like towards the middle bottom. So you would make it like a game of like Donkey Kong where you had to run up the different levels to get to Well I wouldn't like I wouldn't be me throwing the barrels at you like I would hire somebody because I would

I would employ people. So like a barrel shaped like Clark Gillies and Dino Cicerelli would be on the first level and you have to jump over them to get to the next level. And like you would put the borderline guys in the barrel. Like I'd stuff Jeremy Ronic in a barrel and throw it down at people and you have to jump over Jeremy Ronek as he bounces down the stairs. By the way, Super Mario Odyssey is the shit for Switch. Oh God. Because there's a whole thing now where in the games all of a sudden it's like a 3D world, but then all of a sudden you have to go to certain parts of the board and it's back to being side scrolling 8 bit Mario. within the game. It's a fucking baller.

It's a great game. The whole premise of the game you'd love because Mario has a magic hat and he throws it onto different enemies and then he gets to become the enemies, including a T-Rex, including the bullet, the little bullet that flies at you.

You get to become that thing and adopt their powers and then accomplish tasks while being them. And then the best part about it, the reason you'd love it is because when you become those things, they get a little mustache. Like Mario. So it's like, Like being John Malkovich, but you become a dinosaur.

Right. Exactly. Being John Stegosaurusvich. Being the turtle that you jump up and down on for the turtle trick. Right. For all those points and extra guys. I haven't found out if you could be a hammer brother yet because I would just stop playing the game and just go over and just throw hammers at people the entire game.

You got to bring that to my place once we get legalized weed over in Jersey with Phil Murphy now as the governor. Is that going to happen in Jersey? He's a legalized weed, my guy. That's great. You know the thing about Jersey? Haven't lived there as long as I did? trying to make illegal things legal, very difficult when your state's run by the mob.

Sports gambling. Sports gambling in Atlantic City. Sports gambling in Atlantic City would have happened 25 years ago, where it not for the fact that a lot of people could have gotten their legs broken had they passed it in the state senate. But like, how come the mafia guy ever comes to me and is like, hey, I saw you're tweeting about gambling. Maybe you want to put a little wager down this Sunday.

And I'd be like, yes, mafia man. Here, I would like to bet 50 bucks on this. How many guys that are trying to evade the law do you think are on social media and are reaching out to journalists? I saw a really great tweet that was like, man, Twitter five years ago, I was teaching people how to cook crack and now you can't do anything on Twitter without getting fired. And like somebody found his old tweet where he's like a pictures of his stove where he was showing people how to cook cocaine. I was like, seriously, like five years ago, a mafia guy could have been like, yes.

Well, I guess we should probably address the 280 character gorilla in the room, which is. You people. The way the Twitter changed. By the way, it's a horror show right now because everybody, it's, it's, It's as if everybody in the world got magical powers at the same time. And now everybody's, you know, using their X-ray vision at the same time or flying around the world at the same time. It's the opposite of that. It's like as if everybody got the opposite of magical powers and they won't stop showing off how they don't have magical powers all the time.

Oh, it's so bad. Like everyone, like here's my rule. Today's Wednesday. We got it on Tuesday. Everybody gets to do their hilarious, ironic, 280 character tweets now through the weekend. Come Monday, people are getting dropped from the timeline. Like, last, first of all, last night someone who I won't name

was tweeting lively in a live tweeting way from a hockey game and they were describing plays that didn't even result in goals using like 270 characters. They were using the 280 characters to describe a play in a hockey game while live tweeting it? They were like using it was like whatever. It's a horror show.

Just like hey, oh, a pass the cross was deflected and went right back to him so he moved it back to the point but the goal he made a great save and the rebound was covered. What? Our friends in the hockey media need our help to establish some some rules for the 280 character world. Rule number one.

Only use it for the complete starting lineups for the game. There you go. That's the only rule. That's it. Otherwise, just treat it like it's 140. Stop giving me line combinations for the Arizona Coyotes and numbers. Do you think I know all the numbers of the Arizona Coyotes? Like, here are the lines.

14, 22, 6. 31, 45. You can just spell out step on, spell out Keller. You know what it is, dude, there's a certain amount of like, hey kids, let's put on a show, stitiveness. that occurs when you're trying to find ways to express a sentiment that was restricted by 140 characters. Your little notepad on the phone, a little screen grab, a little written note if you were JJ Abrams and you take a picture of it and put it on Twitter because you can't express the sentiment. Now it's like, all that shit's out the way.

Now it's too easy. And also, by the way, I feel really good because I'm a Luddite and I use Twitter.com to read Twitter. and all you people that thought you were so fucking smart using tweet deck, it doesn't even matter in it. You can't even use it anymore. You can't even use it anymore because now everything is twice the size. On my phone, I still have 140 characters and I will forever. I don't download.

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No, you didn't. I'm not taking the new Twitter because now I can still only do 140. It's great. You go. See, that's why you listen to this podcast. You get good advice, get some rules you could follow along, bring some ease to your life, much like you can do by following the recipes from our friends at Blue Apron. You know, Blue Apron is the number one fresh ingredient and recipe delivery service in the country for a reason.

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And we both saw the same movie for the first time, maybe in the history of the podcast. Without us actually sitting and watching the movie together like we do with sudden death. Well, we've definitely done the Marvel movies at the same time. For sure. What did you think being that you're a cynic? It's the best, best Marvel movie by far. It's like him close. It's so goddamn funny.

It's so funny. It's the funniest movie I've seen in the theaters since. What's the last funny movie I've seen in the theaters? It's just... Was it the house with Amy Poehler and Will Ferrell is holding a casino in their house? You know what I saw? I didn't think it was that great. Everybody thought was great.

Get out. That was fine. I think it's because you were late on the hype train had passed you by. Yeah, like it was weird because like everyone said it was... But, well, when the first came out, it was, I thought it was a horror movie. I'm not a horror movie. He is a horror movie. Yeah.

But everyone said it wasn't. I were like, well, it's not like a horror movie. And then I watched it and like, it's pretty much. It's pretty much a horror movie. I think it was brilliant. I think it's going to get a best picture nomination. But Thor, I think Thor was really funny. I do think that it's sort of the Star Trek for horror of the Marvel movies in the sense that they just went straight comedy and that's okay.

Which one was four? That was four. That was three, wasn't it? That was four. Oh, three was a search for Spock. Yeah. Right. So, like, that's fine.

think you're allowed to do that sometimes and I think Thor is a perfect character for you to do that with and Tekka Watikki's a brilliant director and it all worked out great. I do think though, and I found this to be true, I think your enjoyment of the film is going to greatly depend on your mileage with Jeff Goldblum. Now, I know that that sounds crazy, that there are people in the world that don't like Jeff Goldblum. No, there is not. But there are some people in the world that don't love Jeff Goldblum. Who? Name one. my wife And so

Yeah So I found that maybe Is it all the The pausing And the And the hedging Of course Of course

Now there's a tournament In space Who does it enjoy that Ruby? A big green Ruby's gonna be a guest on here One day And she's gonna hear about this

And you of course Are a Asgardian And you're in a battle But like You know what's funny Is his speaking Style

was pretty much the heart of like almost every joke. It was great. With like with everybody else, the way they talked. He showed up and it was like when fucking Darth Mall would show up in the Phantom Menace. Like my whole body perked up. But again, the difference being that the movie is actually good, right? So it's like, oh, the melting stick. I don't want to use the melting stick for interrupting.

All right. You say it's the best Marvel movie, which means it's time now for the semi-annual puck soup. Ranking of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Worse one's Iron Man, too. Number 17, go. Iron Man 2. Iron Man 2. Iron Man 2 is a very, very bad movie.

I feel like Iron Man 1, they didn't realize how good it was, and they were surprised about how good it was. They made the Iron Man 2 too quick, and Iron Man 2. Number 17, Iron Man 2, number 16. What's yours? Thor the Dark World. Wait, wait, wait. Oh, your worst one's Iron Man 2 as well.

Yeah. Oh, okay, okay. Without question. Thor the Dark World? Yeah. Why don't you like Thor? So you like Ragnarok, but you didn't like the Dark World? I loved Ragnarok.

I think the Dark World was, I think the Dark World was, really, really forgettable. And it was before they realized that Hemsworth was funny. And they tried to do another super serious one. They even hired, like, the director from Game of Thrones to do the flick. It wasn't good.

And they got the guy who stole 50 cards in one night for a Nick Cage. That was a bad guy. Right. My next one's going to be Spider-Man Homecoming because I haven't seen it and it's the third different Spider-Man movie involving Spider-Man in like eight years.

So I'm assuming it's bad and I don't want to see it. You're extraordinarily wrong, but that's all right. Number 15, the Incredible Hulk. Did you even rank that one? Oh, no, no, no, that's not part. That's not part of the PCU. No.

Yes, it is. I'm looking at Wikipedia. It's not part of it. If you're looking at Wikipedia, it is definitely listed there. No, the first one's Iron Man. Iron Man's the one that kicks off this world. The ones with Eric Banna and or Ed Noren, those don't count. Of course they do.

They came after Iron Man. List of Marvel Cinematic Universe films. Oh, right, because he shows up at the end of the Incredible Hulk. Iron Man 2, Thor, right here on the Wikipedia page. Oh, look at that. So, where's a lot for you? All right, so we're going to back up. We're going to put Incredible Hulk below.

No, no, we're not. Iron Man 2 is still the worst one. Okay. Then Incredible Hulk. Okay, and then Spider-Man. Okay, so Hulk is 15 for me. 14 for me, age of Ultron. Did not like.

I'm the same. Oh, you are? That's my next one. Holy shit. The thing that always stands out for me about Age of Ultron is at the end when they're like playing, like, don't touch the thing that's going to blow up the place. and like you see like the guy with the infinity stone in his head doing stuff

and the vision door and like Scarlett Johansson's like fighting a giant metal robot like Scarlett Johansson has a lot of skills but like her fist is not go her fist isn't superhuman her fist isn't from Asgard like how is she fighting a big giant robot He's stabbing them with like electric like shock chuck things She has no powers

And the same thing with the bow and arrow guy Like all right fine is bow and arrow explodes but a bow and arrow is not piercing metal. It doesn't make any sense. Explodes, though. It's a bad movie. Not, not, if, not, it was such a mess. There's some really good things in it, but, like, you know, that entire, like, nightmare sequence

for Scarlet Witch is giving them spooky dreams and shit. James Spader's voice does not work for the robot either, too. It was bad. Yeah, so that's number 14 for me, number 13 for me, Ant Man, which I still haven't seen. But I assume it's better than the ones I just listed. Ant Man is also right there for me, too. Wow. You haven't seen Ant Man yet?

No, not yet. See, like, I think you wouldn't like it. I think I'd love it. I feel like it's in your. It's like a heist movie. It's got Paul Rudd. Yeah, there's multiple heists within the movie. I feel like, but it's, it's maybe the worst heist movie ever made.

It's bad. I saw, it was on FX the other night. I didn't want to watch it. I saw a scene where he is hugging an aunt. And I'm like, it's okay. I'm sure it's probably good. It's also, by the way, Thor Ragnarok, I think is the first Marvel movie where I don't know if you can watch it with your kid. You might have to, what, because it's orgies?

But like, there's a spaceship. For those who haven't seen it, there's a spaceship that is that is, that is, that is referenced as the place where orgy has happened. Yes, and like four seconds later, it's the whole, the whole anus thing. Yeah. Oh, going up the dark anus of the universe, whatever. Yeah, like, there's, Daddy, what's an anus in an orgy? Well,

Uh, watch, look at the band swinging a hammer. Yeah. All right, number 12 for me is the first Thor, which, again, is entertaining from a fish out of water standpoint, but I think looking back on it being that it was like the fourth movie that they've done, they still didn't really know what the formula was yet. Iron Man 3 Oh, we disagree on that one

12 is Iron Man 3 Large way Number 11 for me, Dr. Strange Oh, you didn't like Dr. Strange? I did like Dr. This is my Benedict Cumberbatch School of America I liked Dr. Strange. I just found it to be behind

some of the other better films in the MCU. Wow. My next one's Captain America The Winter Soldier. Holy shit! Captain American movies are not good. First Avenger was better than the other one.

That one wasn't even that good. But like the Winter Soldier the winter soldier outside of Ragnarok, which we obviously haven't gotten to either. Is the only one where I can say there isn't a single scene in that movie that I think is not good. Captain America is boring. Captain America himself is boring.

If I wanted to hear a bunch of dudes talk about how Great Brooklyn is, I would leave my apartment. There we go. I knew we were going to get back to your Cap and Bucky thing. I would get on my fucking, I would walk down to the train, I would get off at 14th, I'd hop on the L, and I'd sit in a bar for two hours and hear about how Great Brooklyn is. Number 10 is by Spider-Rubborn.

Man Homecoming, which is a really entertaining movie. But honestly, I think that, like, Ragnarok is going to stick with me longer than Spidey did. Like, Spitey was eating cotton candy. It was, like, in and out, real quick, sugar high, but you don't really think about it again. Kind of deal. All right. Next one is Captain America, the First Avenger. That's fine.

Number nine for me is the First Iron Man. The First Iron Man's the one that I rank low, lower than most. And that's the one I usually get the most, like, what, what's about? I just think that like it gets a lot of bonus points for being the first in the series. Funny one? And yeah, and it's funny and it was innovative and it really set everything in motion. And I think it gets more credit than it deserves. I think it gets more credit than it deserves because it's seen through the filter of it started this all versus how good the movie actually is.

All right. Now I'll throw Thor the Dark World in there. That's the worst Thorough movie. By the way, in Ragnarok, is there a reason why they're friends at the beginning of the movie? Thor and Loki? Yeah. I thought they were like more enemies at that point. They were, and he calls them out, but I think it was a situation where he knew he needed to have Loki's help to go find Oden.

But they found them in like two seconds, and then they were still best friends. Yeah, and they were still best friends. Yeah, it was really interesting. I thought I missed, like, a movie within the chain, because, like, Spider-Man Homecoming, I thought may have had like a Thor, Loki get together that I missed. But, okay. They're brothers. So it's like, I can't hate Loki. He's my brother.

And then Loki's like, you quivering snail of a flugging, you know, and it's just on and on and on. Round and round they go. We're not going to do Get Help. It was funny as hell. It is a really good movie. Number six for me, I'm sorry. Number seven for me is, I'm sorry, number eight for me, sorry, is Guardians of Galaxy 2, which is not nearly as good as Guardians 1, but does contain, as we've talked about

in the show before, the single most heinous, horrible villain plot of any comic book movie ever in which a guy basically impregnates women and when they don't premonets women and when they don't produce Super Spawn murders the Spawn and the woman. And then also his grand villain plot is to spread his seed throughout the galaxy and then activate it at some point through the help of his son. I think that was John Stamos in an episode of Svue once too. Like he pierced holes in his condoms. It was weird.

It's great. I believe this is seven, right? The original Iron Man. It doesn't really hold up so much for me at this point. But I mean, still, it was, remember when Iron Man first came out and people were like, Iron Man? Who wants to watch Like the ninth best comic book hero Yeah And now like, you know,

10 years later there's like 17 of these movies Yep Number seven for me is Captain America Civil War Which has an amazing battle scene Some cool shit in it But ultimately fails because Again, I will

I will juxtapose this We go from the greatest villain plot In any Marvel movie ever To I am going to get them in the same place And then he will argue and fight also I wanted to get that fourth Michelin star Bradley Cooper That guy does have a funny accent

That guy doesn't have a lot of movies now too I love that guy He's a good actor He just yeah you're gonna admit like He's like he's like sitting on a mountain And he's like He's not even watching to see how the fight goes He's just like they're all dead now

I shucked a million oysters to get back to this restaurant Because you love me? No, because I want to get another Michelin star What the fuck? I almost texted you the other day Because it was on Because it was on a burnt head No but like you know how like when you put on

Like the channel and it says like Burnt you're like oh bird on but then you realize like it ended four minutes ago and they haven't got into the next movie yet that's the worst feeling in the world when you're all fired up to watch burnt and then burnt just finished you like look at the time it ends you look at the time of his own you look at the time on you're like fuck burnt oh i wanted to see burnt if only it was on demand why can't oh by the way you see speaking of superhero universes you see they canceled the whole mummy universe thing today the dark universe surprised yeah people seem to really enjoy them surprised that no one in 2017 gives a shit about universal monsters from the 1920s. What are we at? Six? Right? Yeah. So what was your seven? Mine was Civil War. My seven was Iron Man.

Okay. And then six for me is Captain America the First Avenger, which I really liked a lot as a period of peace. And maybe the best endings of the MCMU movies as well. Dr. Strange, that's my next one. It's like, it's... I like the story. But, like, the action wasn't so great. But, like, it was unique and new.

And I liked it. It was a good looking movie. Exciting and new. Number five for me is Iron Man 3, which I love way more than you did. Wow. Really? Shane Black is a genius. That movie, again, like, I think that, it's funny how everybody gives Thor Ragnarok a pass

for being completely unlike the other Thor movies. And yet Iron Man 3 was like, why can't we have more real Iron Man things instead of jokes and him not inside the suit? It's like, come on, man. Like, that's why it was great. I think Iron Man 3 is better than the other Iron Man movie going away. That's the thing. The whole point of Iron Man is like the suit and him flying around.

Like, oh, look, he's like, he does so much shit at the end to save the president while he's not wearing the suit. Ah, see, that in theory should be how it is. But in actuality, people cared much more about Tony Stark in these movies than they do Iron Man. Like, no one's around in the fucking Avengers movies being like, when's Iron Man showing up? Like, when is Tony Stark going to come on and make with the jokes? Oh, I think you meant like in the world. You mean like watching the movie. I mean like watching like when you're watching like an Avengers movie, you're like, it's not like, I hope to see a CGI guy shoot wrist missiles.

Well, it's like I want to see Robert Danny Jr. Robert Danny Jr.ing all over this mug. Number five. We're the top five, right? Number five. Guardians of the Galaxy one. One. The first one.

So you haven't mentioned two yet, have you? I have not. Oh, this is very interesting. Yeah. All right. So, okay. Number four for me. and I

You skip one? No, no, no. Five for me was Iron Man 3. Number four for me, and this is obviously a bit of recency bias, Thor Ragnarok. That's too low. Again, I can't recommend it enough. It's a hilarious movie. It's got some heart to it.

It's got Kate Blanchett doing what I consider to be the greatest drag performance. Maybe in Physiomatic History. She's so hot. She's ramping around. She's got the big old antlers. She's got the smoky eye thing happening. Yeah. It's fantastic.

She's delightful. Does it hit you in the heart at all? No, not at all. But it's super fun and funny. And does it get stupid in the end with the action scene? Yeah. But so does every other superhero movie save for maybe like three of them. It's Kate Blanchett walking around in a leather body suit for two hours.

And just acting the shit out of it, too. And first of all, our former Puck Soup guest, Dave Elric, movie critic, Kate Blanchett, enthusiast. wrote yesterday, I believe, Tuesday, that he feels now that Marvel characters should all have sex with each other. Oh. Right after we sees Thor Ragnarok with Kate Blanchett. Right. I don't think that's a coincidence. The one thing I love about this movie, I'm not going to spoil it.

There been no spoilers, I think, about this flick on this very podcast. Thor dies. Very proud of us. There it is. Yeah, it's called Ragnarok. I love the theme of civilizations covering up their history with more paintings. pleasing narratives is the thing that I like

Oh right Yeah I mean It's pretty good about that It's my turn Yeah it's your turn Did I just say Oh you said Ragnarok Yeah it was four

Number four Is Thor the original Good movie Yeah Very Very shadow water Allie Portman That girl from two broke girls

Oh Candy Johnson Melanie Switzerland Melanie Switzerland Mennie Switz Jessica Moranis That one.

So you like that one. Why? Because it's funny? Paisley Morgan. Paisley Morgan. I know her name. I just forget what it is. But the Thor movies are all fun slash funny.

Oh, you mean Cat Dennings. Cat Dennings. Right. I mean, that's her stage name. That's Paisley Morgan's stage name. She was born Paisley Morgan. She was born Paisley Morgan. She was like, I need a cool stage name.

And she's like, cat with a K. Dennings. What's up? um all right so that okay so that's four for you three for me is guardians one um i i like a bit i love guardians too but i didn't i didn't like the empire strikes backing of the fact that they weren't all together all the time i really like that from the first one i like when they are all in the same spaceship and they bicker and stuff it's more fun aren't you going to go see the new jetti movie that's basically going to be empire where they're all in different places that you've already bought tickets all the british people are in different places

oh i'm in this place called it it's hoff is it half with a t h or an f It's bloody cold I'm in a place called Degaba. I'm learning how to be a Jedi With a Yota It's like it's like Dagaba But it's all mounting with this bearded man And a hoodie

I don't know what's going on here Number three It's not a Porg You got a Porg over there By the way I guess we got all the same trailers Right Like you saw the

You saw the The Supreme Triller And a Jedi trailer Lozzi and I hung out this weekend I told him the truth I told him I thought about him At the movie theater because before I saw Ragnarok, they played the Last Jedi trailer.

And I thought of him immediately as the most cynical Last Jedi hating motherfucker on the planet because people clapped after the trailer. Nobody so emotionally affected by the Last Jedi trailer. Nobody clapped at mine. But I just realized during that trailer how out of place the porg is. Like you don't need the porg. It's like all these heavy themes. It's like, it's like death destruction.

Who will save civilization? Adam Driver flying in to kill his own mother. And then finally, what? Right, it's like they show, they show like one of the last moments where Carrie Fisher was alive in the world. And then it's like, how do you do that in the trailer? How is that like a good idea? Number three, Guardians of the Galaxy part two, or volume two. Volume two, yeah.

Funnier, quicker, sharper. Better acted. They kind of knew what they had. Again, like they make these movies with these like fringe superheroes like Thor and I feel like when they go forward, they have a better idea of what to do with them. Although Dark World probably isn't a good example of that. But Guardians of the Galaxy, too, way better. Way better movie. Better twist, better bad guy, better...

100% needed more Ronan the Accuser of the first Guardians of Galaxy. Everybody's favorite villain, Ronan the Accuser. Oh, I'm going to put my soul down on your ground. Oh, not you, Lee Pace. Yeah, what a weird concept that is? Like, he can crash a spaceship into the ground and murder millions of people on the planet with bullets, but, like, he's got to touch the ground. It's like a rugby touchdown where you have to, like, dive and put the ball on the ground.

That's what he was doing the whole time. time. Both shoulders down on the mat was kind of the way the thing. And he's wandering around on the ground with it in his hand and he's like, what are you doing? Dance contest. They won that movie with a dance contest. Number two for me

is the first, I was going to say the first Avengers, not to confuse it with Captain America. Me too. Marvel's the Avengers. Me too for me. The Star Wars of the MCU an extraordinarily entertaining movie were it not for the first ten minutes of it, which I always skip over. The first ten minutes of the Avengers. The Loki shows up and takes a

Tessorax. remember that there's an entire thing happening in the second ground base where he like hypnotizes bow and arrow guy it is the most worthless opening of a film like they could excise that from future blu-rays and i'd be like fine if it just started with like you don't need it when like captain america shows up you was like oh this great um yeah no start it where black widow is in the chair and she's and she's beating up all the russians and to the russian guys are i'm interrogating these idiots yeah that's good so that's number two for me and then what's number two for you is ragner rock so good and number one for me is you is ragner rock so good and number one for me is is the correct answer, Winter Soldier. Ragnarok is the first Marvel movie where I left it, where I was like, I want to see this again in the theaters. Like, I might go back for a second. I haven't gone back to see a movie a second time in the theaters ever in my life. That movie was funny. And again, like, it's not, like, when you think about a funny movie these days, it's like, why him with Breaking Bad Tim Watley and James Franco.

And it's all just like, you know, Keegan Michael Key doing a bad German accent for 45 minutes and everything. But like this movie, like, all the humor is like in the back and forth between these characters. who are all acting differently than you've seen them act for the first 15 movies in the thing. It's so good. It's a lot of comedy misdirection. It's a lot of, you know, like the big stone monster ends up being a real sweetheart and kind of shit. Like, it's great. And it's like Thor and like banner like mumbling back and forth about their friendship.

And it's like, I didn't say that. I don't remember that. Like it's just there's so much of that. It's like everyone's kind of talking like Jeff Goldblum, which is why I'm guessing Ruby didn't like the movie because everyone talks. Ruby didn't see it. But she said that she is wary about seeing it because of the Goldblum thing. When Ruby's eventually, you guess, this is going to be one of the grilling as we do.

Why don't you like Jeff? Jeff Goldblum. Yeah. I'm like, I'm like, you understand that he's space Willy Wonka. Like, we've waited our entire lives to get this, this character from Jeff Goldblum. He is kind of like a space Willy Wonka. He's just evil. Oh, Wallywaka is evil.

Come with me. He'll, uh, he'll see. The joy of pure imagination. Did you see the Esquire video that's on Facebook where he's grading tattoos of Jeff Goldblum on people's bodies? Oh, that's pretty great. It's really, he talks like, he's like, national treasure. He's like, oh, this guy talks like me a little bit. Back to the hockey for the end of the show.

Our question of the week this week was, tell us who your big old fraud is. Which team or player that's doing extremely well right now will eventually be exposed. That's frauds. That's our question in the week. Harry Kane writes in, the tires, the tires flop line.

The flyers top line. Could be the other way too, I guess. Couture and Drew's shooting percentages will come down and will affect Vora Cheeses. This is total. I like the line and the play. on it, but they're not that good. Nate Cornwell writes in, the LA Kings,

Quick will eventually start playing the quick again. Quick, quick, he's great. He's a good goal. He's good. They're going to be fine. They're a really good team, and they're doing this all without Jeff Carter, so I think much like the Blues doing this with Fabry,

should be allotted for that. I'm with Brady McIsaac who says Corey Crawford, because his same percentage is 945. That's kind of scary if you're a Black Hawk's fans. I think there's seven, six, and one right now. Yeah. Corey Crawford standing on his head and you're seven, six, and one. So once that corrects, what's going to happen there?

That's 2017 Vezna winner, 18 Vesna winner, Carcrawford. It really kills me that he's out playing Scott Darling so bad. Soft back check, right, saying the Colorado front office is re-exposed the word. Clearly, someone also believes much like you that the overpraise of Joe Sackick is not warranted until we see how these futures pan out. Good, good tweet. Very good tweet. By the way, there's so many responses that are just sweet golden-knuck. Like our mentions are infected by the song now.

By the way, if you're a Puck Soup listener and you tweet at me or Lozo with a video of you doing Sweet Golden Knights at a game while I do Sweet Caroline, and that's not even a game where the Golden Knights are playing, just whatever game, guaranteed retweet from either of us. And like if you can get people in your section to like get on board, like start planning ahead. Like if you know the arena's like musical patterns, you're like, hey, third period, first TV timeout. We're all going to sing Sweet Golden Knights. Ready? Go. You're going to get retweeted. You're going to get retweeted by the Vegas Golden Knights Twitter account, probably.

This is quite a prize. Patreon gave us a quote tweet. Look at that. This isn't even a Patreon thing. But thanks, Patreon. Christopher Gordon writes in Dusty Brown. Probably come back down to Earth. I think it's probably a good choice right there.

A lot of people sticking it to you with the devils. Jack Marsden says Gibbons, L-O-L. He has six goals. He's on basically a 30-go-guy, I think. Mattie writes in Schwartz and Braden Schen because before this season, and Shen got the majority of his points on the power play. They will come back down to Earth. I didn't realize that, I'm doing a story on Schwartz for next week.

I didn't realize that him and Shen were like buddies back when they were like 10 years old. So like when Armstrong makes that trade and gets Latera out of there, even though Latera played with Schwartz, he's bringing in a guy that kind of knew Jaden a little bit right there. I love that shit. I love the fact that in hockey, it's like everybody always plays with everybody. It's like, you know, we made a trade for a guy, 37-year-old Joe Brown. And it's like, Joe Brown played with our superstar center back when they were eight in ankle biters. And ankle biters. Like, it drives me nuts that, like, that is so such a thing where, like, brothers got to play together, BFFs when they were seven.

Like, oh, you know, Kevin Hayes and Jimmy and Jimmy Visi were best friends when they were kids? Oh, we've been waiting 25 years for the chance to play again. We were teammates on the Timbits, U-10s. Here's the thing I don't get about under 15, under 14 teams. How do they find a qualified? 13-year-old coach for those teams. I don't understand that. Eric Kuhn writes in. No sell on that joke. I'm just going to go with

Andre Vasselowski because his stats are just okay, yet he's racked up the most wins. Morgan Burroughs says Winnipeg, also Scott Darling, that's already happening. Yeah, Scott Darling, he's not even, he's not even doing well. He's, he's, by the way, when you think the Arizona Coyotes finally win a regulation game? Oh, hopefully soon. 17 games. They haven't won a rate, that's got, that's got to be the NHL record.

Emil Lingren writes in, the doubles need to get Zajack and Mojo back ASAP or things will head self. Zajacking could be back for a while, but they could use Marcus Johansson. He's got a concussion. He's got a conky, as they say. A conkey? Yeah. Where you come up ankle biters, conkeys? We grew up like 30 miles apart.

Like, where are you coming up with all these words? Angle biters, conkeys. I was just down with my ankle biters and they told me that one of my ankle biters had a conkey. Like, are you speaking? Sounds like something you would say. You were British. I got a bit of a conkey. A bit of a conkey, eh?

at the rugby match. I got anything else? No, I got nothing. All right. Well, I was your show for this week in case you couldn't tell. We didn't have a guest. Actually, I guess we tried to get John G.

and own, who is very, he's a MSG guy, and he was very much pro, it matters the player for the first time. Yeah, he's, he didn't want to, I mean. Yeah, Lozo tried to do Boston radio host and try to, like, dare somebody he was disagreeing with. Why don't you come on? Come on my show.

Yeah, why don't you come on the show and talk about why Chalmy's not that good. So, yeah, no guess. week, free skate, that sort of thing. We'll probably have a guest next week for episode 69. Oh, that's next week. I believe it is.

Oh, that's the week after. Oh, no. And so that's a show for this week. Please join us on the Patreon, all you bonus episodes, subscribers for the mailbag segment for this week. Also, your next bonus ep should be coming up

around the 15th, I guess it would be, middle of the month maybe, somewhere that time. We've got to carve out a lot of time next week for some talking into microphones. Yeah, we should. Yeah, it's going to. going to be some fun times. We have, we have, probably another top 10 list coming at you on the Patreon. But there you go. I'm Greg Wischensk, if ESPN.

Oh, we're doing it. We're doing this again on the sign-off. And I'm Dave Lozo of Ice Sports. Follow me on Twitter at Dave Lozo. And follow the PuckSoup podcast at PuckSoup Podcast. I want to thank producer Kevin for producing the show. He sat there. He listened in his headphones. I think I saw him laugh like once or twice. He might have enjoyed a couple of things. Twice is a good number. That's a good number. That's all I'm looking for. That's pretty much it. All right. So join us next week for more fun.

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