Puck Soup - Todd McFarlane

Episode Date: November 3, 2017

Spawn creator and former Edmonton Oilers part-owner Todd McFarlane talks to us about McFarlane Toys, the incredible third jersey he designed for the Oilers, his battles with Gary Bettman and how he would change the NHL to market it better. Plus, Greg and Dave assess the playoff potential for slow-starting teams in a round of "happy on the bottom or coming from behind?"; a look at the Oilers' struggles; problematic behavior from Connor McDavid, Tyler Seguin and Alex Ovechkin; whatever the hell the Coyotes are doing; how Burger King is a stoner and McDonalds is his stoner buddy trying to get a job at the bank; seeing Aaron Judge at Six Flags; and your favorite NHL duos. Sponsored by Seat Geek and Harry's Razors!

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Borks to... I'm Dave Lozo of Vice Sports and many other websites on the World Wide Web. And I'm Greg Wyshinski of ESPN. And you're in Puck suit. You're in Puck suit. My ESPN update this week is that there's a disturbing trend in my social media feeds where I will... Well, it's a combination of two trends. First of all, I'll say the same shit that I would have said at Puck Daddy,

except now people are claiming that ESPN is making me say it, or I'm trying to broaden my ESPN brand by saying it, despite the fact it's the same shit I would have said before. But then on top of that... How do you broaden your brand? brand once you're already at ESPN? I don't know. What's next?

World domination, I suppose. You're on top of the mountain. Unless you go Olberman and go like MSNBC next. I don't know where you're supposed to go from there. I believe I have to get my ass to Mars. First. I just want to get to know you. So here's a thing.

The new trend is that it's like a shit sandwich. It's like there's feces and now there's shit sauce on top of it because now it's a situation where if somebody disagrees with what I say, they're doing this thing where they're responding and they're. sending the responses to ESPN. So it's like, at me and at ESPN when they're upset about something, which used to happen to me at Yahoo, but in a really weird way, which was when there'd be layoffs at Yahoo, they would be pissed off being, don't, do you suck, man, the Avalanche same percentage is five

points higher than you said it was. And then they would go at Marissa Mayer, because they assume that the CEO or whatever she was of Yahoo is going to give a shit about this hockey argument. And I guess, so they would nark to her. And now, but now on the ESPN, like, every day there's at least six people that are narking to ESPN about something I've said or something I've written or my existence. And it's always like, how could you hire this man? And I'm sure it's probably, I think it's twofold. On the one hand, it's because I replaced, you know, Scotty and Pierre and Craig.

And so they don't like that. Or it's a situation where they know if they, well, okay, they don't know. They believe if they make a loud noise on social media, they might be able to get somebody suspended. Like, that's the other thing they think, too. Well, that's the thing is, like, Clay Travis got somebody suspended. Right. So I can see why there would be people who now think they have the power to get anyone suspended. Sure.

So why not just be like, man, Greg said Alex Ovejkin's good at ESPN. What about Sidney Crosby, fire wish? It's not even that. Like, it's like somebody, you know, somebody got suspended ESPN for political stuff or more out of the point for, like, quasi calling for a boycott of advertisers. Not because she believed that John Tavares won't be an Islander next year. Oh, yeah.

So it's a bit of a, you know, like, you come at people for one reason, then you come at me for another reason, but in both cases, you're trying. The way I see it, and I know, I think I've made this comparison before, it's like when I worked at Burger King in high school. And then someone would, you know, put an onion ring in your fries, which to me would be like fucking, you know, Christmas morning. Wait, so you're eating all the stories when people aren't looking?

No, no, no. I'm saying, no, and by the way, I wouldn't eat the stories when people were, I would eat the stories after closing when the food was free. And a young Greg Wyshinsky who may not have gained 100 pounds while working at Burger King would make triple whopper sandwiches with blue cheese dressing and then go to 7-11 and get a big gulp and then play like Nintendo until 3 in the morning, summer job, hashtag. No, I'm talking about the fact that, you know, it's when you would screw up at Burger King and then, you know, they don't believe that they're getting their comeuppance by arguing to you so you can make it better. They're going to go to the manager and tell the manager because they know they can get more. Like, I can take the onion ring out of the fries and make a new fries, but I can't comp your meal. You know what I mean? So like they go to the manager so they can get their meal comp.

So I can be contrite on that one time a month I am on social media about being wrong about something. But unless they go to my boss, then I can't get in trouble. Okay, first of all, if I want to have it my way, I go to Burger King. That's right. So you're going to give it to me my way. Yeah, I'll give it to your way, baby. I'm going to have it your way. Can you talk about this for a second?

I came to a conclusion about McDonald's and Burger King, and I want to pause in this for a second. McDonald's is your stoner friend. They're not keeping you too busy at ESPN, huh? No, McDonald's is your stoner friend who tries to get a job at the local bank. Okay. Right? And he's always trying to go straight, but inevitably he falls back into the same smelly couch. Right.

And is watching Ren and Snippy reruns and getting high with you. But he's always trying to go straight. He wears the wrinkled shirt, like the tie to the interview and the jeans maybe that don't really go with the tie. McDonald's is always trying to do shit like salads and signature sandwiches. And now we've got Mick Cafe and we're making it look like fucking Frappuccino's and shit. We're trying to really go straight. Those commercials make no sense. There's people standing around listening to a radio and the guy's like, the 40, the 30, the 20, the 10.

And then he pauses and everyone's staring at the radio and they cut to the booth and the guy's drinking his coffee. And the slogan is like, you know, don't do anything until you've had your coffee. Well, he's already calling the play. Like, he shouldn't just not be there at the beginning of that commercial. No. It makes no sense that he would call. It's stupid. There's enough timeouts in football where you should be able to consume a coffee at some point.

without having to do it in the middle of a play. Also, if I'm listening to that radio broadcast, I'm thinking that guy had an aneurysm. I'm assuming he scored a touchdown anyway. He was down to the 10. The logic behind the idea of, like, I can't do anything until I have my coffee when you're already doing something. Or it makes,

why are there so many commercials where they can't keep a plot line for 30 seconds? Or have your coffee there because you are allowing the theater of the mind to play out and the play to happen with natural sound. I bet Joe Buck has a lot of coffee during the. the World Series. Does he? Because he seems like he's asleep.

How about last night during the World Series when somebody stole a base and he's like, that's the first stolen base since Cameron Mabin in game two. Alex Bregman stole a base

in the first inning of that game and he forgot. We'll get to the World Series in a second. The other side of my analogy, McDonald's is their stoner friend trying to work at the bank.

He's always trying to make signature sandwiches, putting bacon and avocado on shit and whatever. Burger King is just a stoner. Like Burger King is literally the

donor who looks at his friend trying to put on a tie and says, can you get all of those free lollipops? Or is the same rule as, as the customer, we can only get one? So he's bringing the bong to the interviewer in this fit? No, this is them in the house before he goes to the interview. So that's my, Burger King's straight up stoner. They don't give a shit. You know what? They're kind of like the Taco Bello burgers in the sense that they just take whatever they have and throw it together a new thing. It's the big fish burger. A fish patty

on a beef patty. And then they just say, fuck it. Which McDonald's wants to go straight. One of them just introduced like a fried egg on a burger. I forget which one it was. That would be Burger King. My friend, the farmhouse burger. The Farmhouse Burger. That's right. Because you know why? Oh, fuck, man. We got

all this leftover breakfast because nobody buys breakfast to Burger King. What are we going to do with it? Oh, wait a second. I know. We'll put up an egg on a burger. So you're telling me like next week it's going to be the big fish and french toast. Completely. That's all it is. $1.99, a Burger King.

I used to work a Burger King. What isn't selling? Okay. Let's fuck it up. What isn't selling? Sir, it's the bread of chicken. All right. Give me a can of tomato sauce and a slice of cheese and now it's the Italian chicken. Oh, my God, that was the best sandwich ever. All right. What were we talking about?

Oh, that's right, ESPN. Yeah, stop adding my ESPN. It's their social feed. They have 3 million followers. It's never getting to the proper channels that you wanted to. But the deeper problem is you look at your mentions too much. We talked about this. I know.

You need to mute everybody. You're at ESPN. You're at a place now where you're going to hear every comment from every person ever about everything you do and you don't need it. It's going to drive you're there for at least the next three years. It's going to melt your brain by month four. You can't let that stuff bother you. Every day. So Tyler Delo on Twitter, every once in a while we'll do like a seven tweet thread about like an HL defense.

who are right-handed and have trouble adjusting after line changes. And I'm like, oh, Tyler, I don't need this. This is going to be you when it comes to... Here's something I saw in my mentions that I just want to respond to it. No, just mute them. Mute them and just just don't look at Reddit. Tyler did something really brilliant this morning, no. He did something really this morning as we tape on this Thursday.

Someone was snarking Adam about him doing the, You've changed, man, thing because he was like taking the side of coaches and saying, you know, a lot of people misunderstand coaches and whatever. And this is a guy who basically tried to run Craig McTabash out of Edmonton, right? And so someone's like, you changed, man, used to be all about criticizing coaches. Now you're on the inside. You're not even a guy anymore. He's like, look, you can go to my archives and find out that I've used to say the same things I'm saying now about coaches.

Meanwhile, motherfucker had to take his archives offline. I was going to say it by the wheelers. They don't exist. I just love that. I love that idea of being like, you know, oh, man, you said X, X, Y, Z. No, I didn't. You can read it in my book. Ah, it's out of print. Sorry. I don't know what to tell you. See, like, that's the problem with online, too, is, like, people who don't know you think they do.

And so they attach every opinion they have about stuff onto you and assume you have the same opinions because they like, you know, a certain thing of what you do. And then when you don't do it, like, for instance, everyone who followed you at Yahoo, assume you hated ESPN would never go to ESPN ever. And somehow going to ESPN is this betrayal that they have made up in their head because they thought all along you were just like them and hated ESPN. I saw that one argument you had where someone's like, they don't care about hockey. And you're like, why do they hire me and Emily and all these people? Otherwise, they just want your brand. Like, CSPN, they don't need my brand. They just want hockey.

They want my brand. And it was like, it was like you had stabbed that guy's like wife and children in the back. Like you Kaiser sozade him and destroyed his family in front of him. And he was just, oh, God, Greg. You know, I thought we had a bond. Kaiser Sozaying is taking on a whole new. By the way, my story about Kevin Spacey is taking out a whole. Oh, right. Yeah. Oh, my God.

Did I tell that on a mailbag? No, that was a special episode. That was on the, that was, that was we were talking about stuff we did on the road. Yeah, it was a patron. And I was right. Kevin Spacey was a dick in that story. And I believe that's borne out now in real life that he's a little bit more than a dick. If you're a bonus episode subscriber, it's on the Patreon episode where we talk about stories in the road.

If you're not, you can become one for only $5 month and, and listen to it. But it's a story basically about meeting Kevin Spacey at a party and him saying something that at the time, and on the podcast made you feel really good about life, and then in hindsight, makes you feel kind of, kind of icky about life. But like, but like that,

like that, that sounds like what he was. You went up to him and he was just a condescending, you know, he was too good for, he was a powerful dick. And, well,

and yeah, he, fuck him. Yeah, clear. Oh, sorry, my auto play was playing because I'm,

we'll be right back after this word. I made the mistake of going into an NHL. dot com stats page real quick. By the way, have you seen the redesign, of NHL.com stats page? Oh my God. I was on there yesterday writing something

and you click on stats and you scroll over to players, click players. You get the league leader page, right? You click on points. You get all the guys and points. You go back to one year before, 2016, 17, and you come back to 2017-18 and it's blank.

It won't load. So you have to go back out, go to stats, go to players again, so it reloads. There's always something wrong with that site. And the video at the bottom of the page. I thought that was only an NHL.com thing. It mostly is.

that's like a new thing now where they hide the video at the bottom of pages where you would never expect video. You're looking around. You're like, what's, what's this? Yeah, but they really did a great job giving us all sorts of new bells and whistles. For example, I bet you're wondering, who are the top scoring forwards that are six foot six or taller? Always, always. I'm always like, who's the fattest scorer who's awesome. Ketter hazard any guesses? I'll give it to you right now if you'd like to know. The tallest scorer? 6-6 or taller forwards leading the league in scoring this year.

Blake Wheeler? Blake Wheeler, apparently, shorter than 6-6. Your top three... Shifley? Because there's only three guys that are taller than 6-6 that have scored this year. Logan Brown of the Ottawa Senators. Would not have guessed it. One assist in four games.

Martin Hansel, who has sort of that Chris Grattan disease where he keeps getting jobs because he's tall, has... That's how I get jobs. One goal in 11 games. Nick Bukstad of the Florida Panthers 7 points in 11 games He is taller than 6'5.6 So you see the NHL.com stats pages really are the

gold standard in sports because where else can you find that shit? It's just so hard to load stuff. By the way, what site do you go to now? Is there like one site you go to for all the analytical coursey stuff? We get this question all the time. I go to Corsica

until I get really frustrated with how It doesn't work sometimes, and I can't, you know, look for more than one stat without my browser freezing, and then I go to a natural stat trick. And I'm not trying to snark on Perry's site. Corsica is the gold standard. It's great. I fucking love it.

I mourn the loss of war on ice because they use it all the time, and it was about more user-friendly. But as far as, like, depth of information, there's nothing that touches Corsica. It just can get a little wonky on the interface sometimes. But that's natural stat trick, too. Like to get all the way across to the right side of the page, you get the PDO, you have to, like do like a little highlighting and dragging across like that's annoying and then you have to kind of look back and see where you've been yeah and like who's who's who's four and five here find out what team you're trying to research and I missed the stats dot hockey analysis feature where

you could see guys numbers with and without certain people wowies as they call them is there's a desert you do so you go to for that because I can't find that and I don't really do that people tell me it's on natural stat trick but I can't negotiate it hey let's let's talk about a couple numbers here let me let me hit him hit you with them one number is seven Seven. One number is a minus 12. Okay. What do you think those numbers have in common?

I'd say that seven and minus 12, that's my penis. Oh. Depending on whether it's warm or really, really cold outside. People are always asking for good quality dick jokes from you on this podcast. And that's, that's, come on. An A. I was in the pool. Minus 12.

Seven is the number of points the Ebbington Oilers have after 11 games and minus 12 is the number of, it's their goal differential at this point on this season. The Edmonton Oilers are one Arizona coyotes away from being the worst team in hockey right now. And it's a couple ways to look at it. I, for one, mourn the fact that the best player in the world outside of Sidney Crosby is not in a playoff position and is seeing his season slowly slip away. but I am, however, content. It feels like you're going into like an ad. To see a re-examination of Peter Tirelli's prowess as an executive as we go through a cycle in which we are all wondering, where can the Oilers look to help their more abundant offense that at one point had both Jordan Eberle and Taylor Hall on it.

And now they're going to trade like Nugian Hawkins for like Chris Crider or something stupid because they need a big physical way. or something. You know they're going to do that. Because, you know, Luchich wasn't that. Oh, my God. Yeah. I did the Chi Reli thing last week, so I'm kind of tapped out. Here's a short list of the teams that have scored more goals than Edmonton this year. You ready? Okay. All of them.

Why? But they have Connor McDavid. 24 goals in the season. What did you say about Chi Reli last week? Oh, that he just followed it out. He just, he got there and took all the wrong lessons from, like, the penguins. who they let they let sidney crossey play with jake gensel and conner shirry he doesn't need the big time winger but they kind of forgot that the penguins have you know phil kessel on the third line

they have players that can play all over the place while pete shirelli was like man you know we got to do we got to get rid of that taylor hall for adam larsson it's like okay fine all right sure what else you want to do uh let's get rid of that jordan eberley guy for i don't know one of the stromes let's get one of the stromes okay i don't know why you're doing that but that's fine hey you want to trade for p k suben he's on the market. Nah. Nah. Chris Russell for four years seems like the way to go. Right. And you do all these things. And last year it didn't matter because, you know, Drysidal and McDavid and they had enough to get by. And now this year they're more hollowed out. And without McDavid and dry. I mean,

Drysidotos missed some time. So they're, they're going to get better with him playing all the time. But they're, they're, my, my theory wasn't that they were going to miss the playoffs in October. It was just that come playoff time. They weren't going to have depth because he traded it all away. it kind of reminds me of the um 2010-11 penguins that's the team that lost crosbie and malkin for the playoffs

that would be the team that lost them in the playoffs but construction-wise even if they were healthy it's crosbie malkin and stall which is basically Connor dry-siddle you know whenever they decide to play them at center because he's going to get back a little bit and nujan hopkins who's basically your jordan stall if jordan stahl couldn't win a face off

although admittedly he's not okay this year But nothing, I mean, like, you look at the 2010-11 Penguins, and it's like, Crosby, Malkin, Stahl, Kunitz, Tyler Kennedy, Pascal Dupuy, Matt Cook, Mark Lettestu, Maxine Talbot. It's like a whole lot of, you know, that surrounding your superstar players. And I kind of feel like when you take away a Jordan Eberle and take away at Taylor Hall, it's kind of what you've done to this team. Like if they didn't do that, you could totally have Patrick Maroon and whoever on his wings

and then you use dry sidle with Hall and Eberley or you have Hall on the second line, Eberley and the third line. You have guys that can score, and they just don't have that now. And like, I didn't think they were going to miss the playoffs or anything. I just thought the depth would be a problem

when they played against really good teams, not when they played against everybody in the NHL. That's a problem, man. We'll get into that later, whether or not they're done, but they're kind of getting, a little close to being toasty. It's getting a little warm.

Yeah. It's getting a little warm in there. God, Canadian franchises, man. They know how to fuck things up. I'm telling you, all these Canadian teams that haven't won the Cup in 25 years,

I feel like if they were based in the U.S., they would feel less pressure to win immediately, and they wouldn't make these dumb rushed moves. Like, oh, my God, I just got here. What do I got to do? Oh, this team hasn't been the playoffs. How many years? Taylor Hall, let's trade him for,

no, no, no, stop. Don't do it. Adam Larson, no! I know! What are you doing? Oh my God. All right, fine. We freed up money.

What are we going to do with it? Simon-Elon Luchich. No. He's not why they're like, oh. But if they were like based in Nashville, you can just take your time. Taylor Hall is going to come riding into Edmonton this week. Like fucking Jim Carrey and Domino, Dumb and riding away from after when he gives Jeff Daniels the shits. He's on his moped.

And it's like, do-da-da-to-do-da-da-da-da-a. No, but they have Adam Larson's why they had 107 points or whatever. I mean, Larson overall has been all right. I was looking at stats this morning, and his relative course, he's not good, but I mean, his actual course he's all right. Like, he's not the problem necessarily there. But the problem, the problem is the trade. The problem is you had one of the top three left wings in hockey and traded him for a... 60 cents in the dollar?

A puzzle piece. A puzzle. Like, again, like, we go back to the back. A good second pairing guy. I don't want to do that show again, but, like, it's a puzzle piece. Like you traded a star player for a need. It's like trading like the second overall pick for a need. Like you never do that shit or using the second overall pick for a need.

You don't do that. You don't trade a great player for something that you're like, well, I could use this. Use other fucking assets to get them. Don't treat Taylor Hall. It's insane. No, he was the problem. He was why they were losing. It was a losing culture.

And Taylor Hall was a loser who lost all the time. That's why they had to get rid of him. That's why they won last year, which Taylor Hall was a loser. Because he doesn't want to win because his first press conference with the devils wasn't him just pressing his face against the window of the Oilers practice facility going, Hello, it's me, I didn't want to leave here, but you said I had to leave. Keep going? No, I don't wait to stop. Being Taylor. I don't know. I forget the words. I haven't heard that song in a while.

Hello? It's Adam Larson Hello from the Norkeyes I have a really bad corsie Corcise Coorsice My relative Corse's minus five

But here's a thing Lozo You don't have to be Taylor Hall With your face pressed up against the glass You could be inside the arena How though? How do I get inside the arena.

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Yeah, it didn't it though. Seeky, ladies and gentlemen, the geek of scene. Time for a segment on the show. We like to call problematic. Hey, if Peachie really had Bruno Mars on his roster, who would he trade him straight up for? And why is the answer to the weekend? The weekend is quite good, by the way.

The weekend is a modern-day Michael Jackson, but you were looking for J. Cole would be the answer. You mean Kenneth Cole? No, I mean Jay Cole. I mean a generic R&B singer. who inexplicably had a rapper had an HBO special. Oh, yeah.

AJ Call's going home, and I'm not watching it. I'm like, I don't know. It's like when you see like the most random comedian get his own comedy special on HBO. Like Whitney Cummings? That's actually a really good one. Dude, I was watching Coney the other night and the first guest was J.B. smooth.

And like he was making Conan get on the ground pretend he was Gulliver. I was laughing. And I was like, we'll be right back with Whitney Cummings. I was like, no, we won't. we're going to put on something else. But anyway. All right.

Problematic. Problematic, ladies and gentlemen. So, Emily Kaplan of ESPN. She's very problematic. Let's talk about her. No, she's not problematic at all. She's a brilliant writer.

She's going to be a future guest in this very program. She wrote a really interesting piece this week about how players communicate with each other on the ice if they're from different places in the world. Different lands, but different languages. How does Dothraki communicate with a, uh, ice guy Colisee learned Danny learned the language for her son and her stars

there you go as she's not a problem in Star Trek because they all seem to speak English and that's because the little insignia on the chest I do believe contains a universal translator so when a killing on comes up to you in a store

and he's like and he's trying to find out where the lip balm is you'll be wearing your universal translator and you'll know exactly what it means. Klingons have very very, very dry lips. So chappy. Yeah, very chapped. Chaffy.

That's chappy. That's chaffy. It's the best joke ever. So in her story, she quoted one of hockey's most fabulously problematic players, Tyler Sagan, about how he communicates with

teammates who may not speak the Queen's English. Hello, governor. From the story. When it comes to language off the ice and in the dressing room, the norm has become trickier. Guys always talk in different languages. Dallas stars, Senator Tyler Sagan says. I feel like that's Jamie Ben's voice more than Tyler Sagan's voice.

Sometimes you just put your foot down. We're in North America. We're not going to have a team of clicks. Okay. I don't know Tyler Sagan. He has been problematic in the past. Very. So I understand why you don't want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

But I, I, I'd like to hear the interview where he says that because it does sound like he's talking like that. Like, this is America. Speak the language. It does sound like he's talking like that. But at the same time, though, I understand that the sentiment is more I want everyone to talk to everyone. So don't use your native language. Like, I'm, that's just like three steps away from, ain't got to have no Spanish language in this Home Depot,

despite the fact that everybody who speaks Spanish is the ones shopping at Home Depot. The first thing I thought of was a scene. and rounders where Worm is playing in the club and the two Russian guys are talking to each other in Russian and he goes, quit speaking fucking Sputnik because you don't know what they're saying to each other and at the same time, I'm assuming that Sagan doesn't think that like Val-Machushkin

and Sergey Gantra were talking about his corny tattoo-slee behind his back, but I do understand the sentiment where he wants to bring everybody in the room together and not have people walled off, so to speak. But maybe he doesn't mean it like that. But it isn't like I understand the

need for like not to want, you don't want your locker room to be a bunch of clicks, but speaking English really, like, speaking English is not going to make Alex Ovechkin, if you get, you're getting his nets off, like, giggle in the corner while Perry Trots is, whinging his neck at them, you know, like, it's not going to get rid of clicks in the locker room if everybody speaks the language. Well, I mean, I think it just helps guys who don't feel super comfortable with the language

feel more part of the whole team. Like when Nenisima, Ardi Nizumov and Ruslan Fetatanko had side-by-side lockers for like two years because Ardy would watch Fedetenko Fetano talk to the media for five minutes a day every day and he would watch him speak English and he would sit there in his full uniform watching him talk and I think that helped him learn the language and stuff like that but like I don't think

Ryan Callahan was like hey already speak English right grusky but isn't I mean like but isn't to go to your point before like isn't part of this just like I'm super insecure and I know that they're talking about me it could be that that's what I mean like I like I feel like Emily wouldn't have included that quote if she felt it made Sagan look like an asshole I think maybe it

just reads like that, but maybe it is like that. I don't know. You know. Right. You're Chris Draper on the red wings and just all the Swedes are like borka, borka, and you're like, what the fuck that you do you say? Like you're in a bar and you're two of your boys and you're talking to like three girls and the three girls start whispering and laughing at you like that.

I think maybe that's happened to Sagan and now he's like super insecure if that happens in the locker room, you know? Hey, Finnish guys, what's so funny over there? Hey, Nemi and Lennon. And what are you laughing about, huh? Is it my ice pop photo spread I did that one time? because I liked it, okay? Oh, you were just talking about

Oh, butterfly stand. Okay, oh, that's fine, that's fine. I heard you say butterfly in there, but I just, okay, sorry. Timot, Timu, Timo, Tino. Naked Zamboni, Timo, Timo, Timo. Meanwhile, New York's defenseman, Kevin Shattonkirk, told Emily that he's okay with teammates speaking in their own native tongue depending on the situation.

Yeah, depending on the situation. You have to respect the fact that a lot of times it's just easier for them to communicate that way, Shatton Kirk says. Well, what does he mean by them? but it also goes outside the rink. You'll see them going to dinner together on the road. There's a comfortability factor. Being able to speak their language gives them a sense of home.

You can't take it as them not wanting to hang out with you. See, maybe we should have included him in problem matter. That's what I'm saying. I feel like they're both saying the same thing, but one guy is saying it worse than the other. I feel like they both have the same idea, but like Tyler's saying it sounds like a Donald Trump tweet while Kevin Shantirk sounds like he went to college. He sounds like Obama. Right. Yeah. He sounds more

eloquent and he knows what he's he's like, well, here's the thing about diversity issues. Right. And Tyler Sagan's like, dumb foreigners go home. Like, that's what he sounds like. But I feel like they're both saying the same thing. I think it's beautiful that Alex and Yergenikadnezzov can have this kind of relationship and be friends and really have a sense of

home. Meanwhile, take that shit to Russia House. Don't talk there. Don't talk here like that. Go to Russia House and talk like that. Get your Swedish meatballs out of here, Henrik. Speaking of Trump. Hmm. Listen.

What a segue. Somebody on Twitter was worried that we would spend 45 minutes on Connor McDavid's Halloween costume. 38 tops, 39 tops. I'll just say my piece here. Yeah. Two things. First, the greatest recent example of outrage about what you thought would be outrage

against the thing you didn't want outrage over but in the end there was no outrage over Oh there was No one gave a shit Oh dude did you I searched McDavid's name that night on Twitter People were fucking savage I'm sure people were savage

But it ain't like he had I mean He got asked about it In Edmonton by the Edmonton media Because Edmonton media But like overall it's not a situation where It's listen let me let me Let me frame it this way Strike that from the record

You and I have both seen NHL players Halloween costumes Be Savage i.e. anytime one of these guys were blackface well that can't be the bar for when you get like it like it can't be like blackface and then everything else is okay that's that for me that's the bar it's like it's like you're talking about costumes and problems of costumes like I think we've both seen there be worse problems the costume oh sure but the thing the thing that I think people again this is

this is what social media is where you just attach things the people you don't know because you like them and you want them to like all the same things you do and then like oh none of my friends would do that. Yeah, but the thing I wrote today was maybe Connor McDavid loves Donald Trump. I kind of assume he does because he's a rich white guy. I don't think he does. But I don't know. Yeah, you interviewed him.

He's a friend of the podcast. He's a friend of the podcast. I just, I think he, in his statement about the costume, he's kind of just like, it's not, you could tell you, it's sort of like, you know, it's not an endorsement. It's just a costume. Yeah. Like, for all we know, he spent the entire, like, Halloween party, like, acting like he was afraid upstairs because he hates Trump and wants to make fun of him. He could have been doing

that the whole time. We don't know. Or he was walking up to every person with a Spanish Spanish name and telling him to get out of my country. I don't know. Or that. I was, I mean towards the first thing. He was stacking up all the little tiny boxes of nerds into a wall and making jokes about how he was building it. Yeah, it could be that. Like maybe he was wearing a big old diaper, so his ass looked huge and gigantic because he wanted to make fun of Trump. That's my, I don't know. That's my second point. I assume he was, though. That's my first point was that it was outrage over outrage that didn't exist. My second point, listen, I say this on behalf of all the chubby guys in the world to a kid who is a good-looking chap and sort of a Kennedy-ish way, if you know what I'm saying.

Oh, thank you. And, uh... Oh, you're talking to McDavid. Yeah. And, uh, is, you know, one of the best athletes in the world. He's rich and famous. He'll be ultra successful. He's young.

Put on a fucking fat suit. You are, you are portraying a fat man. Oh, for Trump. Oh, I think I might just put on a fat suit walking around. You, you're portraying a fat man. One of the defining aspects of this man is that he sits on his private plane and eats buckets of chicken. And brags about not exercising. Right.

If you were playing Bill Clinton in the 1990s, I would expect a fat suit just as much as I expect a fat suit if you're playing Donald Trump. However, he's Connor McDavid, and he didn't want to play the party. You don't want to be a fat kid. He didn't want to be fat Connor McDavid on Instagram because he wanted to look nice next to his girlfriend. I understand that. However, if you're going to play Donald Trump, you've got to go all the way with it. And I'm very disappointed in this young man. Not as disappointed as I am in him wearing a skinny red hipster tie.

Yeah, that's the issue. A big red wide power tie. And not as disappointed at I am that he didn't make a skin orange, probably because he's so tired of the color because of the jersey has to wear on all times in Edmondton. Right. He basically is dressed like Donald Trump all the time. He's wearing a big oil thing with orange. With orange, right.

That's the billionaire's uniform. Like I said, this is an amazing costume if you're going as Senator Owen Wilson. If you're going as Donald Trump, not so much. See, like he could have done Eric. Trump. He's he's thin enough where he could have pulled it. He had a blonde thing on. Sure. But like, that's not really a noticeable recognizable, recognizable costume. Put on a fat suit. That's all I'm saying. But like, yeah, people were like, oh, he's clearly racist. Like, what? He's not. Like, so costume. And as, as people said on Twitter, so Milan Luchich dresses the Joker, so he hates Batman.

Like, is that, do you think like that's, that's how costumes work? Like, I was Anton Shiguri once for Halloween. It wasn't because I like strangling cops and murdering Woody Harrelson. I just, I just thought it was funny to walk around. Didn't Milan Luchich threatened to kill someone in the handshake line, though? He might be the Joker. Joker doesn't do threats. He just does killing. Yeah. Does he look like a guy with a plan?

Good game. Good game. Good game. I'm going to fucking kill you. Good game. Good game. Yeah. He wouldn't have just killed them if he was the Joker. Come on. Come on, Greg. Good game. Know your comics. I wouldn't open your locker.

Good game. Good game. Actually, yeah, when he went into the negotiations for his contract, Pete Shirley earlier was like, what do you want? He was like, half. And he got it. Milan, we really want to bring you in. would love to have you as an oiler, can only offer you

about $2 million less than what you're asking for. You want to see a magic trick? I don't want anybody to find out about this. And that guy over there is a squealer, and I know the squealers. Look, listen. Continuing on with problematic.

Oh, yeah. That's only the start of this segment. Alex Ovechkin. Oh, Alex. announced on Instagram today that he is starting something called Put. in team, which I believe is a way for players to put more of themselves or their team,

to feel like they're part of it more, to all strive together, all row the boat, all pull the rope together. Actually, you should look a little closer at the name. Oh, it's, oh, it's a Putin team, like a team for Vladimir Putin. No, it's Putin. Oh, oh, oh, oh, that's a program to have more French fries and gravy me. Yeah, that's great. Thank you, Alex.

It's for Vladimir Putin. It's, yeah, there's a picture here of him hugging Vladimir Putin. Putin team. I wish Alex would have spent more time putting in some thought about how stupid this fucking idea was. What are you going to do? It's funny. It's hilarious because to go back to what you're just saying, like, how many players

get scrutinized for any, like Brady, like, Brady gets scrutinized for any association with Trump, right? Well, Trump and his fucking, and his magic pajamas and magic water. Yeah. He's a fucking hookster. Sure, but like. Ovechkin's just Russian, basically. Ovechkin's not only simply like an association.

associate of Putin, he's like the fucking flavor flave to his Chuck D. Like he's a hype man for Putin now. He's starting a social network to try to put over Putin to the Western media. Like of all the things in the world right now, people are like, man, we got to do some investigation

in how Russia influenced the election? And Alex Abedgansk, like, how about I just have to straight up an influencing thing with Vladimir Putin in America? Like, oh, Alex. We really need to get Russian influence out of this country. What about Reddit? But for Putin. Everyone's looking at him.

Like, that's a good one. Oh, you're serious. Yeah. Oh, you already have this planned out. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's way more problematic than a Donald Trump costume. Yeah, a little bit.

I'm sure we'll get more details in that as we go. Is there anybody else to talk about it? I feel like there's one more problematic that we've missed. Well, there's Alex, Alex Tuck. Oh, did he, is the one who were the Border Patrol costume? That's way more problematic than the Donald Trump costume. But no one knows who Alex Tuck is. Yeah, but oh, I'll tell you who knows.

who Alex took is. The Minnesota wild fans who are right now lamenting the fact that Matt Dumbba was protected and this like power forward was let slip to the Vegas Golden Knights. It's one month. Dude, he's a good player, man.

They did all they could to protect Rodin and to protect Dumba and both those guys have been hot trash so far the season. They could have let Eric Stahl go too, right? Like yeah. Yeah, he was all able to be let go. A lot of teams did some bats. The Knights still screwed up the draft for the most part. And also T.J. O'S dressing his children.

Oh, that was the other one. T.J. Yoshi dressing his, his son and daughter as as Donald and Malani. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's just child abuse. Like, someone should take his kids away from it. These,

these people are in D.C. What are you doing, man? Like, you're... That's the thing about a Trump costume, honestly. Like, I get it. Like, it's funny in an ironic way. There's a lot of comedy to be mined from Donald Trump as everybody outside the United States keeps on reminding me.

Is there? Is there? But we're, but we're thinking of it. Dude, we're thinking of it. this way. We're thinking of it as Americans where if we walk into a Halloween party after all of the shit that we deal with 24-7 in this country

because of the current presidency, whether you like the man or not, you have to admit that it's been very tough living in this country for the last year. It's been a bad year. The last thing you want to see is a guy on a Trump mask. Right. Like you walk in and you're just like, oh, motherfucker. Yeah. It's like if there's a Halloween

party at Hogwarts and and you walk in and there's some guy dressed as Voldemort. Sure. And I was a kid. costume there. Volta mort. Hey, Hermione, look, is someone dresses our tormentor at a party? Right. Or if it's like a Halloween party at, let's say, Castle Black. Castle Black. And everyone's dressed as Searcy. You're like, oh, Searcy, she sent us here. Like, I hate her. She's our tormentor. Or it's like a Halloween party at Castle Grey Skull. And it's just the sorceress there.

by herself because she just lived there alone and occasionally he man would stop by right so she just has a big bowl of candy at the front gate and nobody ever shows up or you're or it's a it's a it's a holiday at uh john snow's house and everyone's dressed as his his his dead ex-girlfriend like come on no that's not cool that's messed up right he doesn't want to think about her yeah except for sidney crosbie who's dressed like john snow i saw a lot of john snow costumes on instagram what was your what was the most common costume for you this year. Oh my God. I think it was probably

I saw a lot of Rick and Morty shit around this year, which I think is just repurposed Comic-Con costumes. Hoboken's kind of funny because Hoboken is like all these different people from all over the country who come to live there and then work in New York basically. So like on NFL Sundays, you will see like a Johnny

Mansell jersey, you'll see a Jets, a Giants jersey, and you'll see like all these random teams, but you won't ever see a bunch of one team besides like Jets and Giants. That's kind of what it was for Halloween. costumes. It's like a mixing bowl. Yeah. But do they all speak the same language? Well, you know what? I like to keep the Browns people away from me and have them talk in their own language. I don't want to have to deal with the freaking Cleveland Browns and their and they're awful shit. They show up a few minutes late everywhere because they missed the deadline. God, they fuck up everything. That's great. Being a Browns fan, it must be just the worst. Is being a Browns fan worse than being a coyotes fan? I'm just happy that the Browns fucked up

the trade deadline because it really took the heat off of Todd Bowles doing a press conference and not realizing the Jets had made a trade where the reporter literally tells them during the press conference. they made a trade and he's like, I'll double check on that. Why do they do that? Why do they trade for the shittiest Niners quarterback? I don't understand that. But, yeah, it's, I saw a Blues Brothers costumes that were pretty good.

And much like the Blues Brothers themselves, it wasn't really funny. Yeah. But it was a good costume, though, where I'm like, I don't understand it. I don't find it funny. Are you, are you a hipster in the sense that you believe that either Stort saves his family or the Coneheads movie were the best S&L reoccurring character movies rather than Waynes world. What the fuck is Stuart Stavis' family? That was the Stuart Swally movie. And it was actually really

good. Like, good enough, smart enough. Yeah. Guy had a movie? I don't even remember that. All they should have done is released that, that minute and a half of Michael Jordan staring into the mirror. Yeah, I remember that. No to win the Oscar. What was, wait, who else was in it besides Al Franken? I don't have to treble the ball fast or throw the ball in the basket. I just have to be the

Beth Michael that I could be. And Jordan just starts like laughing. And he can't keep just together. It was one of the greatest that moment was in the S&L history. No, Stort Stays' family was a Stor's Molly movie. Then you had superstar

the Mary Catherine Gallagher movie. You had cone heads based on the titular cone heads. That was okay. The subtitle was Colin Dan Ayckroyd cash grab. Yeah. And then Wayne's World,

Wayne's World 2. Oh, Wayne's World is the best. And then Blues Brothers. Are we missing anyone? Somebody, do you understand the origin of the Blues Brothers, by the way? I was on another podcast a few weeks ago

and they explained this to me. it was no i don't know the origin so like i feel like everyone today sees the blues brothers movies and the sketches and no one understands why they're funny like what's funny about this because they're dancing you can use that plural can't you what these i forgot yeah yeah there's a there's a second one jesus christ and what was explained to me was apparently the blues brothers were born because way back in a day when s an i was first starting they would send dan akroy and john balushi out there to warm up the crowd and sing and dance because that was just what they did and somehow that became a sketch slash movie.

Like, it was never meant to be funny, but somehow it turned into this movie where they talked with Chicago accents and they had sunglasses on an all time. Around a mission from Gad. And somehow they made a sequel to a movie that people seem to like it, but it's not meant to be funny.

The Blues Brothers is an entertaining movie. Is it? No, it has some stuff that I think, I mean, I like it. Like, I love car crashes. Better car going through them all in Chicago. Yeah. Blues Brothers or Batman's

Batman, the Dark Night with the bath cycle. I like the bin being chased by Nazis, or at least I did before Nazis came back, and they're hotter than ever. They dress so well now. And I like to carry Fisher, because she's wielding a gun,

and at the time it was novel for me as a kid, because this is Princess Leia. There it is. It's a Star Wars thing. Not a laser gun. I knew it. And I think Belushi's really funny. Like, Blushie's great,

but like, is it a funny movie? No, it's not a funny movie. You see the new Star Wars trailer? They're on the game last night? Yeah, I got a... I got a bad feeling about this as they say. What, then it's not going to be good. No, I think it's going to be great.

I think the problem, I don't, either Ray or Luke is going to turn bad. And I'm not going to like it. Is it an empire remake? Is that what they're doing? So can you just figure out what's going to happen from empire? Listen, just because the protagonist is being trained on a strange planet by a Jedi master. Feels empire. And there are three stories going on at the same time in different parts of the galaxy,

including like, you know, some people going to some sort of a place where there's gamblers. You know, our heroes are on the run. There's probably a revelation about, you know, the genetics and the patronage of, is patronage the right word? When you find out who your parents are. The patriarchy? No, that's the different. That's, yeah. The New England Patriots?

Yes, the patriotism of. Yes. I think the bones will probably be. empire, but I think it'll be a different film. So Luke dies at the end of this movie, right? Or some point. Like, you go to... There's a scene in that new trailer where it looked like Ray was about to slice and dice Luke, and I don't like it, unless he's

bad. Well, he's, he's, he's, like, under a pile of, like, sticks or something. What would be... What would be the thing that you'd want them to do with Luke Skywalker in this flick? Like, would you want him to turn him bad, but make him the heavy? I would like them to not make this movie, because I've already seen Star Wars, and I don't want to see it again. They're remaking the fucking lying.

King. Yeah, but it's going to be the jungle book. Like, it's all CGI people. Like the jungle book movie that came out this year. Like Beauty and the Beast.

I've seen Beauty and the Beast. I'm tired of seeing things I've already seen. Yeah, well, I've never seen fucking Beyonce as Nala, nor have I seen Seth Rogan and Billy Eichner as Pumba and Timo. I know fucking John Oliver is,

what's his name in the movie too? Like, it's got, but it's the same movie. It's not like a sequel. It's not a prequel. It's going to be James George saying all the same stuff again. Yeah, I'll get that in a second.

I do love the fact, I'm like, Seth Rogen and Billy Agner, movement to moon. I'm going to smoke my bong. He's going to smoke his bong. Drumpf. Call him Drumpf online. Hashtag Drumpf. All right.

No, but I love the fact that James Earl Jones is back because, and they, because they literally acknowledged, this is twice this week this has happened. They acknowledged what is the sense of trying to improve on perfection? And the other example of that this week, my favorite thing that happened this week, So Justice League's coming out in a couple weeks I still don't think that's a real movie

Hans Zimmer did the music for Man of Steel Which was awesome and the music for Justice For the music for Batman v Superman Colin Donna Justice Which was not good They bought they got rid of him Or he decided not to do superhero movies anymore Danny Elfman is coming in to do Justice League Oh great

He did this interview with his magazine They're like So we understand that you're repurposing The John Williams Superman theme at one point in the film He's like yeah yeah I tell him anything else you want to tell us but what's going to happen with the Batman theme

that Hans Zimmer created and Danny Elfman's like we're not using that he's like I wrote the best Batman music ever in 89 dude da da da da wait Danny Elfman did the Wonder Woman theme right no no no that was Hans Zimmer

and Junkie XL who did the music for Mad Max but like Elfman did the fucking Batman theme that was then rejiggered for Batman the animated series it is the Batman theme and like he basically just said I'm gonna use my own music

What the fuck would I use Han Zimmer's bullshit. Yeah. So like that's going to hopefully be Batman's theme in the Justice League. So two examples this week of like, why should we fuck with perfection? Just go back to what worked. I will have the caveat of saying that using the John Williams Superman music and the Danny Elfman Batman theme is a pretty good cheat to get people to like your shitty product more than they would. But I'll take it. They're great.

Are you going to go see Justice League? Of course. I'll go see Justice League. So you're the reason why I can't get a good movie in the thing. I want to see the Denzel movie where he plays the fat lawyer guy. I want to see Justice League just because I want to see how they're going to try to try to, the car is in a screeching turn at 500 miles an hour pointed at the wall and like Josh Whedon is frantically turning the wheel in an opposite direction to try to get them to not hit the wall and I just want to see what kind of mess that's going to make. Like how do, first of all, this movie apparently has a billion plot lines, introducing the flash, introducing cyborg, introducing Aquaman, resurrecting Superman, introducing a new villain. And it's got a less than two hours running time.

Who's the new villain? It's a shitty villain. It's a guy named Steppenwolf who is. Steppenwolf. I know. I know. He's a wolf that steps on people, is he? He's not a wolf that steps on people.

Or is he a wolf that just like steps around really like dramatically? Yes, he's his sneaky, thieving wolf. I'm never going to see this movie. He's like the uncle of Darkside, who should have been the villain in the movie. Darkside's a great villain. Darkside's like the Thanos of the DC universe. I'm Mr. Brightside. Well, I'm Mr. Darkside.

Oh, no, we must fight. You probably shouldn't see this movie. All right, speaking of comic books, we have an awesome guest this week, man. Todd McFarlane, who you know as the creator of Spawn and the creator of McFarlane toys. Um, which did NHL figures for a very long time before they, uh, they'll huff and I'll puff and I'll blow your justice league down. Oh, God. Steppenwolf. You're not my real wolf.

You're my step and wolf. Cranny, what big eyes you have. They're better to kick over Earth, my dear. Uh, Topic Farland is a genius. I ask him how he would change the NHL. He tells some amazing stories about being a part owner. of the Evanton Oilers, and I do ask him about that third jersey he designed as well. It's cool stuff.

Hope you enjoy it. This is Todd McFarland recorded at New York Comic-Con a few weeks back, so if there's anything outdated in the interview, that's why we'll see you on your side. Todd McFarlane is the CEO of McFarland Toys, co-founder of Image Comics, and they self-reclan punk-ass Canadian pacifist. I always think it's a great way to describe yourself, sir. I guess the first question, obviously, as a hockey fan, does it pain you that you don't own the oilers now if they have Conner McDavid?

Right. What a brand. What a brand. So, you know, it was interesting because one of the things that we were proud of when I was involved in the ownership was, even though we didn't have the same payroll structure and some of the skilled players or some of the other teams, because of the nature of how good our ice is at Northlands, right? I mean, it's, it's, I mean, we're the envy of the league to a lot of people. You could go, okay, if we're not, if we're going to be an average team. Yeah.

Maybe even mediocre at times. Not intentionally, but just the nature of the business. Can we at least make it exciting, right? Because there's two ways you can play. You can either be an average team and play a bunch of two-to-one games. Right. One-nothing games. Or you can be the average team, same record,

and maybe have a four-to-three game and get people out of their seat because, you know, a couple breakaways. 1980s hockey. Yeah, just a little bit more. I wish we could get to 1980s hockey, but, you know, just something's a little more entertaining. Because at least if you're asking for people to come and give you $70, $60, for a non-champonship team,

and we had a run there where we weren't the best in the league, obviously, that you go, let's at least give them entertainment. Yeah. And so now that mindset now with Connor and some of the other talent around them, you're just going, they're quick, they're fast, right? They're quick, they're fast. I think it's one of the reasons why Pittsburgh. so successful that they just put in little rabbits on the on the on the I was going to ask you this

later but I'll ask you this now as sort of a general extension of that thought which is you know you've you've built companies you're a master marketer when you look at the national hockey they go over the years and having obviously seen it from a unique perspective as a part owner what don't they do to sell the sport particularly in the United States you're saying all the things I used to get fined for right let's go through them yeah you had to bite your tongue a bit right Oh, no. Well, I guess I didn't, and I got fined a couple times, right? I was at the Gretzky retirement one night, and the Batman was there. I go, hey, Gary. He was like, hello, Todd.

And the other owners were, like, amazed that he knew me by my first name, right? And it was like, because that's just the policeman, and he's given me a couple of speeding tickets, right? Right, right. I got fined a couple times because I was a guy that was advocating overtime, get rid of the red line, you know, four on four. I mean, all this stuff. It amazed my wife because they're like, well, you used to have to pay fines for saying it. Now they're doing it.

And now they're doing it. It's like, what are you talking about? So what would I do? The name's Todd. Only rhymes with God, but if you made me the big guy for a day, I tell what I would do. And I know there's some hockey fans here and you're going to drop over dead. There's a couple things.

Easy. There's easy stuff here. Number one, get rid of fighting. Throw that one out. Throw it out. Not a marketable thing. You don't think. Throw it.

out. Okay. I'm saying you're asking me as a marketer. Yeah. So let's, let's be clear. Because this sort of like, you ask me as a hockey fan, I'll give you a different answer. You're asking me as a marketer. As a businessman, you want me to sell this product globally. Globally to as many people as possible. You got to get the brutality of it. You can't be a little bit pregnant like they are now where they're kind of like half-assing it out of way. And for all you people out there that think that that's blasphemy because my Canadian friends will say that, is ask yourself a question. When you watch game seven of a Stanley Cup game and it goes into overtime and it's three to two and there's no fights in that game, are you disappointed?

Right. Do you go gosh? You know what? That was end to end action. We got overtime. What a game. Duh. You know what?

Too bad somebody didn't punch a punch of people in the face about four times. So I would get rid of it because given that every other sport doesn't have that aspect, it's easy for parents, this is the marketing side, to guide their children towards the nonviolent sports and they do it. I've also said, if you don't know. thing for one second that in any other sport that fans wouldn't stand up and cheer if

Aaron Judge tried to steal a second and got thrown out at second and then they went out and he got up and he was so angry he just punched the second basement if that wouldn't get every single person in Yankee Stadium cheering you're out of your mind. Of course it was it's just they've chosen

not to allow it and so they've trained the fan base not to expect that part of it and we know it can happen because we watch the Olympics and we don't let it happen in the Olympics and it's good. So that one's gone. You throw a punch, you're out. And oh, by the way, depending on when you throw it, then you may be out for the next game.

Like just finito. Right. Just like every other professional sport done. Next, make the ice bigger. So you've made it. So widen the ice. I'd widen the ice. I'd say take your front row of every stadium, throw out those seats and widen it.

Would Todd McFarland part owner agree to get rid of seats to widely? It's math. It's math now. Because they go, what? You can't get rid of World Run? Well, sure you can. You know why? Because as soon as you get rid of row one,

row two becomes row one. So instead of charging 100 bucks for row one, you charge 100 bucks for row two, and then you just start going all the way up to you're up in the third deck. You can get your money back. Yeah. You're not losing any revenue. Yeah. But physically the boys are just bigger.

Yeah. So you need to give now a little bit more room to the player. that are there. And if you're not going to go and do something like that, then I think there's number three. I think if you're not going to police, and they're not, the equipment of the goleys, I think it's time

you've got to make the nets slightly bigger. Yeah. I just, because when Darren Pang... Right. Darren Pang is not Ben Bishop. Was this status quo of what a goalie was. You're a little nimble guy. But now they're nimble, but they're

six four. There's no room. There's no room for it. And so to me it's like I'd go up two inches all the way around and see what that does for the game of honk. Because right now, I mean, the easier fix, don't, you know, again, Todd, all of this is blasphemy you're hearing folks. The easier fix then is it and get the damn patch smaller. Yeah. Right? I'm like, I'm going to be like the anti-EPA, right, which is environmental protection agency. Right? I want to, I want to sit there and say, don't protect the air, right? So I understand you want to protect the goalie.

I don't understand why you need to protect six inches outside of his shin. That's not the goalie. The goalie is his leg. Why do we need six inches outside his shin on the left and six inches on the right? And the pad is so big there is no five hole anymore. There's rarely a five hole. Except a drop down. Right.

And put those two, and the pads are so tall that when they go into the butterfly, there is literally no five. five hole. And so now you go, they're bigger. They've taken away one of the holes. So now there's only four. And then you go, and they're, and they're so wide, they almost take away the one and two holes. So now you've got two corner shots up. And if it's the third period and the ice is a little chippy, it's tough to get the puck up. So you just go, I don't know. I don't know why. From a marketing point of view, I don't know why you don't want to score points. Makes more sense. Makes more sense. I don't know. Is it easiest thing to sell in the United States, two things, rivalry and scoring, right?

Why? I get what I mean. If you, if you asked me the same question, question, and you're a soccer guy, and go, Todd, what would you do in soccer marketing? Easy soccer business people. Make each goal worth six points. There you go. So when you go to a two nothing game, you go, wow, it's 12-0-0. Right? And don't take my word for it.

The NFL does it. Yeah, you're right. You go to a 21-14 game and you think you got your money's worth. That was a three-to-two game. And then they give you half points called field goals. That's genius. So you go, guys, just, as a matter of fact, beat the NFL, just make it 10 points a goal. And then all the thing.

I was at a 52 to one game. I like the way you're thinking. And no one can call you not a fighting. And no one who makes Hanson Brothers figures can be called not a fighting guy. It's honoring the past. Yeah. Exactly. It's just, it's not a global way to sell.

Right. It's not a global way to sell. That you can just get in a fighting match with no real punishment to go with it. Right. Given that all the other professional sport, like what are you talking about? every day there's an athlete on the basketball court, baseball field or a football field that would love to punch the guy across from him

and only be out for two minutes. Right? Oh my gosh. Let me ask you another oilist question. I happen to be a fan of the Aldermanet logo you created. I ranked it as the number five best jersey of the 2000s. I think it's cool as shit. Not everybody dug it. It lasted a long time, but not everybody dug it.

What was your reaction to the reaction when people maybe gave some backlash of that logo you created for the Oilers? Maybe I'm naive. I didn't really hear any. I was in Phoenix, so maybe it was, and I didn't follow the airways. When it came out, my, here's what I know about when we rolled it out. Yeah. The boys, the players, they were like, oh, cool, because there was a hesitation.

It goes, it's a guy from Phoenix, and the coyotes have that horrible third jersey with the cactus and the gecko. on it and I know they were like and he's the spawn guy so I think they were thinking some some bloody demonic I don't know I don't know what they were thinking of but they were on oh cool the night of we we released the logo at about four o'clock by seven o'clock the game was on and at least half the audience had that new jersey because as soon as we made the announcement they opened up the stores and it was all there so Edmonton sort of gravitated to it if somebody doesn't like something I don't really get hung up on it because we don't live in a penal colony I'm going to solve all your problems for everything you don't like.

Just don't take it home. This is easy. If you don't like broccoli, don't buy it. If you don't like a jersey, you don't like, I mean, if you don't like that girl, you're dating, stop dating her. I mean, you don't like a job, right, quit. You don't like the weather move. I mean, there's easy solutions. They don't want to be a drunk stop drink.

I mean, there are easy solutions for all of us. So, if you don't like what we did, fine. Here is what we were trying to do what I was trying to do. what's the design I could do that would still pay homage to the Oilers, but at the same time just be cool to look at. Right. Because again, going back to your early question about marketing, right? My theory isn't how do I sell an Oilers logo and Oilers jersey to somebody in Edmonton?

Right. That's easy. That's the choir. Right. How do you sell it to somebody in North Dakota? Right. How do you sell it to somebody in Brooklyn? How do you sell it to somebody in Miami?

Right. That's the logo you have to design. And so the logo then has to be easily accessed by all those people. And if it's too, I think, if your logo is too central to where you're at and even the name. I'm not an advocate and a big believer in putting the name of anything on, it should just be the logo. So that you can travel anywhere in the, not only the country in the world, and people just go, wow, that's a cool shirt. That's a cool hat. That's cool.

I'd wear that. I'd wear that. I'd wear that. What is it? And then their second question is, what is it? But they saw the logo and they go, that's cool. You want to learn more about it? Well, just cool.

I'd put that on. I could be a rock band logo for R&O. I think your spawn logo was like that. You see the face and then you want to learn more about it. Right. So if you look at it, the best brands that we think of in terms of sports are the ones that are, you know, the wheel and the wing of the red wing. There's nothing really, it doesn't say Detroit. It doesn't said red wings.

There's no hockey puck. There's no hockey stick. It doesn't even say hockey per se It just is a cool logo The Boston Bruins is a beat Yeah Right New York Yankees is NYU I know we're up against

I got two quick questions First off Did you have a favorite McFarlane NHL sculpt? I mean for me it was probably Hachick Because you actually put the scuffs Of the puck

On the And you helped like Personally design those Right I think I read something That said That you didn't trust Some of the non-hockey staffers

To really get the NHL stuff Right So you maybe had a more of an active role It was difficult to try To try and get it to look real Yeah Because it was too

mechanical to start with. The easy answer is no, I don't have a favorite because what happened was during the process of making the NHL toys over the years, we would then get a certain part right that we hadn't been getting before, and I went

oh, there it is. So you go, oh, there's a lightness that finally we nailed it. Oh my God, look at the wrinkles. I remember we did like a career or something where he was doing a slap shot. And I go, the wrinkles are right. And then I go, oh, the texture on the socks is now different than the pants and it feels like you know that the skates are right

and the all the little decoing on the the hockey sticks yeah and you so there were just there were just like these eight or ten different moments where you just go ding ding ding ding ding ding so that over time we were able to apply those moments yeah and go ah and they were getting better and better and better I hope we started doing it last one do you ever look back at the tony twist thing and just say what What the fuck is that all about? Every day of my life. I was looking back at some of the press clippings, man, and I still can't believe that.

It's surreal. It's absolutely surreal. I'm happy I guess the process worked out, but that was a rough one. That's a book. I'll write a book on it someday. You should, man. What's doing the Spawn movie, by the way? Just handed in the last draft of the movie script.

So I was, like, after two notes with the production house, Jason Blum and Blumhouse, you know, did get out and split. and so we're going to be budgeting getting here pretty soon, and then from there, go and trying to do a pre-production deal, you know, with one of, not pre-production, but a predistribution deal in Hollywood, and because we're going to bring into financing, you know, it's all done.

We just need your screens and we need your marketing, and we'll make a deal in Hollywood, and then we'll go hire the actors and we'll get going. So we're hoping to be in pre-production by, January and then in full production hopefully sometimes it's February. You still looking to direct? Oh yeah, right? Produced direct. That's awesome. Done. Like I said,

bring the baby back home, right? Yeah, well, we might even shoot in Canada. Thanks to Todd McFarlane for joining us. Very interesting conversation. We'd get rid of fighting and also spawns coming back in some way shape or foreign. Were you ever spawned? Oh, yeah. The movie was good. John Leguizamo

was the fat clown I don't want to bring it up with them But it's one of my favorite things Like there's a lot of examples out there Of bad CGI and films And Spawn is Top of the Pops when it comes to that They basically like ran out of money

At the end of the movie And then they needed to make this Giant satanic creature called Malboja At the end See I don't remember it too well And they made it And they didn't want to spend any They didn't have enough money to make his mouth move

So it's kind of like this floating head with this big, booming voice, I will kill you, Spog. And it's just, the mouth doesn't move or anything. And then he kills it by throwing water on it. Is that how it ends? I forget. I forget.

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or stand collecting or another hobby because their season's done. Yummy in the standings or crummy in the landing. Or crummy in the landing. Landing Landing Yummy Happy Happy

How about Happy on the bottom Uh huh Or Or being ridden Or No that's too sexual Happy on the bottom

Or Coming from behind Oh Jesus Wow Okay You got right Hello to all the kids Out there in the car

With the parents Listed into this podcast Okay so Let's start with the Oilers We talked about them earlier. Happy on the bottom or coming from behind. When you say it, it sounds really cool. I'm going to say...

There's still time. I'm going to say coming from behind as well, because I think that... The West isn't that good. And McDavid is, again, like, one of maybe three or four players in this league, and I'm including goalies in that count, that can affect the fortunes of his team on a nightly basis. I feel like there's only one goalie left that can do that. Who?

Yes. Who do you think? Hulby? No. Bobrovsky. Yes. I think Holphe's in that list, too. He's, he's a little below, a little bit below. I don't think he's...

I mean, I think Bobrovsky is basically now the new Hachik in the sense that you could put him in the heart conversation every year. I think we got to stop talking about Carrie Price the way we do. But that's another podcast for another time. I don't want to get Montreal mad at me. Actually, we'll do that later during the same segment. Coming from behind. I'll say, I'll say, I'm going to say Edmondson rallies. I think the West is a really top-to-treaty place right now.

The division stinks. I will, I'd be willing to wager money that Edmonton will finish with more points than Vegas. Vegas is like, what, 15 points ahead of them? No, not 10. Vegas is currently, they've got, hold on. Oh, Jesus. Now, the NHL.com just. Well, they have 16 points, right?

They have eight wins. Vegas is 16 points and the Oilers have seven. Oh, yeah, they'll make up. Like, that's what I mean. Like, you look at the standings now and it's like, oh, my God. But I mean, Edmonton's better than Vegas. Edmonton will pass. I didn't include the coyotes as the first team because I don't.

I don't think, A, that they will rally. I don't think they will come from behind. B, I don't think they want to. Happy on the, yeah. See, so in the last month, you, Josh Cooper and Craig Custins have all sat down and talked with John Chaka. John Chaka, yeah. Like, what's that like? Like, is he aware of how bad his team is?

Like, like, I saw, I didn't see, I didn't hear the Custin's podcast yet, but his tweet was like, sitting down and talk with John Chaka about his hiring practices, his methodology. And I'm like, what? Did you like, did you like question his hiring practices? I didn't, I mean, I think Talk it's a good hire. Like, I think that he's... I don't know, man. That team looks like it doesn't have a coach. Like, there's, the gaps are so wide.

Like, their breakouts are terrible. Their forecheck is terrible. They look like a team that's just kind of like a pickup team. That's bad. That's a bad. I've seen them three times live. They're a bad team. They're a bad team.

They look like the 10-11 Devilsman. John McLean coached and he's now an assistant in Arizona. I think that, uh, I think he's all right. I think the thing is is that again, like, apparently he, Cheika has the backing of ownership to see this thing through. Like, they're going to be a dog shit again this year. They're going to hopefully get Dahlene and get a franchise of defenseman. Okay. And then you go from there.

Like, you can't, like, defensemen aren't, aren't McDavid's and Matthews. No, but they don't turn you around right away. No, but they're essential to, like, the lightning with headman. Florida with Ekblad I mean Florida with Eckblad but they're getting there I mean

Dowdy like you need the foundational guy to eventually get to that next level so I mean and this kid's apparently like you know an Eric Carlson type

yeah well what's hot to what's done with Eric Carlson like I feel like selling out for the defenseman isn't as good a plan

as it is selling out for the general center about selling out for the guy who may be a poor man's palled outsook is that

that me coheshur that's what yeah that was a good I was gonna I was gonna say yeah like that's like By the way, Nico Hesha, I was saying this to somebody the other night. He's going to get murdered at some point.

He dangles too much for a tiny guy. He's so going to just get his head caught down. He's going to get lit up by somebody. I'm telling you, I think we have a generation of players that dangle too much. And I think they do it because they know that... Get off my dangles! Says, old man, Mishinsky. We have a generation of players that Steve dangled too much.

No, we don't. Oh, I turn my hat sideways, and now I'm yelling at me. Yeah, we don't dangle too much. Wait, why is he in 1940s Alcatone? Shut up to hit. Hacopon. Yeah, she? No, I think it's because they know that

essentially, like, because of Rule 48, they're not going to get Mac cooked, you know? Yeah, but, like, it'll just happen by accident. Like, if you put your head down and dangle that much, it doesn't need to be, like, a vicious Matt Cook-Zackard Aldo hit. It could just be anything. And I don't know. But these guys know that those hits don't happen at much anymore.

I was talking to Stancoast this week. Like, we're talking about, for another story, like, some concussion stuff. And, I mean, you think about what that, what the league looked like when Stampos entered it. in 2008, where we would see like a stretcher a month with guys getting hit from behind and on the side and blind side and everything else versus what we have now where it's not that. I mean, I think we have a generation of players that feel like they could dangle along the blue line. Like fucking Lindrosse could have been, can you imagine Lindross playing today where nobody could hit him but he could hit everybody when he's got the puck? Dude, Matthew could Chuck would end Eric Lindross's career in one of the two games a year they play against each other.

He would. There's still a few guys. There's still guys. There's one of them. Yeah, there's guys that's like attempt murders on the ice. But I disagree. I think, I think, you know, well, first of all, these guys are really good at evading hits. Like, I saw Austin Matthews, like, was lined up to be an advertisement on the boards last time, but one of the ducks and he just kind of spun out of the way. Like, these guys are very evasive. But I also think they know that they're not going to get cabonged anymore like they would have, you know, 10 years ago.

Hashtagabonged. The Buffalo Sabres with eight points and 12 games. Happy on the bottom are coming. from behind. I think they're done. I feel like, again, it's like it's the same thing with Tocke. I see the Sabres. I've only seen the Sabres play a few times, but they have that same sort sort of disjointed lack of cohesion thing happening. And I don't know Phil Housley's going to fix that in his first year. Yeah, I'm going to say happy on the bottom as well. Kills me to say that because I love them going into the year. Minus 15 goal differential right

now. The personnel problem on the blue line is not something that Phil Housley can fix in a year. Phil Housley could be the sixth defenseman. You got to remember about the Sabers team. Like we're looking at the big picture, which is the Eichel era and how shitty it is that his great seasons have been squandered there. But they just hit the reset button again. Fucking like any other team that has a new coach and a new GM, you're going to give them at least a year to kind of figure their shit out and get their own people in there. But because Buffalo has been bad for so long, we kind of see it as the continuation of bad things when it's actually the team hitting the reset button again earlier this year. I just figured the East was, the division was wide open enough for them to take it, a full 82 for Michael. New coach. But no, I'm sad to say. He ain't Ken Hitchcock. You can't throw Phil Housley at the problem. You've got to get better people in there.

Why? Because Phil Housie's not as big as Ken Hitchcock. Is that what you're saying? No, you could throw Phil Housley like a javelin, probably. Oh, with your knee, Greg, I don't think you should be throwing anybody. Montreal Canadiens, nine points in their first 12 games. Happy on the bottom? Coming from behind. Oh, they're coming from behind. Oh, are they? They're going to pull this out and they're going to get it done. Are they? I mean, they'll make the playoffs. again, this whole thing with Carrie Price being the best goaling in the world, I feel like we've just kind of been assuming he

was for like a minute for sure because he has the trophy to prove it, but they're just, they're heaping so much on him and the team in front of him is kind of, four back of the wild card, um, six back of third in the division. Yeah.

Yeah. I, I know we're all saying they're going to make, you have to get three teams in that division. I just, I just think that, you know, the, the elasticity of statistics in this sport means that they're going to get better offensively than they've been. Yeah. But I do worry about the fact that, you know, they'll climb up.

Much like the Rangers, they're trying to do it by not having actual centers. And in their case, it's moving guys to the center spot in the case of Drew-Anne. But Drew-N is supposed to be a center. Is he? I mean, well, Galchenyuk's supposed to be a center. Is he? Montreal has so little patience for centers. It's unbelievable.

But Montreal is also the team of the teams that we've just mentioned. They're also the team most likely to do something that shit to just get the playoffs because of the financial commitment to price because of the age of Weber all over and over again. And the money to Weber. Like they're all in right now to try to do something, which means like the potential of them trying to overpay for Matt Duchain or some shit is high. Yeah, but I mean, who were your three teams in that division right now? Tampa, Toronto.

And Ottawa. That's what I mean, like Ottawa. They can catch Ottawa. Although I think Ottawa just paced them the other night. No, it was the other way around. It was backup goalie night anyway. But yeah, Montreal make the playoffs. Coming from behind.

Oh, we are such a bad team. We are. Oh, I would like to reveal the deep dark secret of Alex got Jan Yuck in this interview because I am a scumbag. Mario Trombly talks like that, doesn't he? Sure. Yeah. This fucking douchebag. The next one on our docket would be the Florida Panthers,

nine points and 11 games. Happy on the bottom coming from behind. Oh, they're done. I mean, they're not done because of where they are in the standings right now. They're just done because they're just not good enough. Are they going to finish with more points than Vegas, or will Vegas finish with more points than them? That's the real question.

I still think Vegas is going to collapse really, really hard. Sweet golden night. Sweet urinary neck blood. Oh, oh, oh. Need to live with Willie. I'm lonely. I'm lonely. Alone. Please don't. We're taking this on Thursday. Please don't go on the internet tonight because they're playing Boston again, Vegas.

Are they? And the last time that they played Boston, you were triggered by their Twitter feed. Oh, yeah. What was up with you going up to the Vegas night's guy and being like, please follow Dave? Oh, man, that was embarrassing for me. I was not lamenting. I was laughing about. Their account followed me, but didn't follow you. Wow. And I was trying to, I'm a Pisces.

That's how you read of the things about us, is that we. We are peacemakers. I was trying to make peace with you and the Vegas Nights Twitter guy. No peace. That's my J. Billis acting impression. No peace. I saw into his mind. He wants to make horrible emoji jokes on Twitter for an expansion team.

I would give. And steal all our resources. I would give anything to have people hold my tweets to the same level they hold sports. team tweets where the bar is so low that if you just like let's say you and I were to tweet back and forth with like an Ocean's 11 gift right people would be like oh my God if two hockey teams do it be like

oh my God this is the most amazing thing the Golden Knights tweeted an emoji and then and then the coyotes responded and then the lightning jumped in Michael Jackson popcorn gift like why is the bar so low like why can't my stupid tweets get more retweets and it's just

well the point being is that I tried to make peace with you and them and then what did you do I didn't want peace But what did you do? I did the soft block You blocked them I blocked and unblocked Because I just didn't want them

To follow me anymore I can't believe I told you that And your thought was like man I got it so good The Golden Knights follow me But they don't follow Dave You told me that in confidence And I blew up your spot

With the Golden Knights Twitter guy No we talked about it on the podcast I thought it was funny I wasn't mad that the Golden Knights Unfollowed me I don't get anything out of the Golden Knights following me Am I Henry Gibson as the priest And you're Vince Vaughn?

being like, I told you that in confidence. That guy's name is Henry Gibson? That's the dude to play the Nazi in the Blues Brothers. He's a famous character actor. That guy is that guy. No, I compared you to Kramer when he goes up to Jake Charmel and tells Elaine, or tells Jake Jarmel that Elaine says hi when Elaine never said hi. That's how I felt.

The New York Hockey Rangers, 10 points in 13 games, are they coming from behind or happy on the bottom? Oh, this is the toughest one. If they didn't get any points out of the Vegas game, they were done. they were so done. A.V. would have been done probably, right? Corny Larry Brooks? The whole thing would have been done. I mean, if you're a basis on whether or not you keep a coach is whether or not he gets three goals in the third period against his team playing the second half of back-to-back is not a good bar.

Yeah, I never understood that idea of the notion of like he was, well, if we don't beat Vegas, then he's done. Vegas gets a lead in the third period with a fourth string goalie. Vegas dominates for 40 minutes. And then it's like, it's like, we want one for coach. And James Dolan's like, he's safe. Yeah. And it was 4-2 in the third, and they had a power play. And some dude, I think it was Neil or Riley Smith missed an open net on a backdoor pass.

If he scores there, the Lane Vigno is fired, really? You can see it in Vegas. Like, Vegas had a level of comfort at home in seven straight games who wouldn't that they simply don't have on the road. The minute something goes awry on the road, they're like an accordion. They don't protect the house real well in front of that. Yeah, and the Islanders game that I saw them play in, like, you know, they get down by a goal, and all of a sudden it's like, all right, boys, firewagon hockey. Bring all five.

And, like, fourth stringoli's back there being like, oh, shit. Even the fourth string goalie is not a pronounce his own name. He's like, I don't even know who I am. Why am I in that? Don't protect me. Fourth string goalie is actually hiding it inside the net because he's facing somebody fucking breakaways from the islanders because the golden nights are just bringing the house.

He's like, Bacula's backup in necessary roughness where he's like, blow the whistle, blow the whistle. That's a great reference. I think the Rangers are fine, and I'll tell you why. Tell me why. Because even though he is old, there will be a two-week period in which Henrik Lunguist wins like six out of seven games and then they get back into it. Yeah.

So they're at least going to be back into it. I still don't think they're a playoff team because I didn't pick them for the playoffs. But I think they're not going to be this far away from contention. They're going to get back into it, I think. Maybe you'll still be the coach. Their October didn't kill them. It almost killed them. But like, yeah, they'll have a month where Henry Concois is awesome.

And what doesn't kill you makes you strange. What doesn't kill you? It makes you stranger. The Carolina Hurricanes, 10 points in 10. games. From behind? They're not done. They're not done.

No, they're fine. We haven't even seen Scott Darling play goal yet in the sense that he's been terrible. He was, I was checking his stats because I'm a big Scott Darling guy. He had one game going where he had a shutout with like a minute to go. And if you would have gotten the shutout, he would have gone from like 898 to 917. And I was all set with a tweet. Yeah. And then he gave up a goal late.

And I was like, uh, delete. Let's not brag about it yet. I mean, let's let's be honest here. Like, when we talk about goalies, and there was an interesting thing in Elliott Freibund's column this week about how, you know, you should. you should measure goalies by their same percentage on low dangerous shots and shit like that. I think it was really, really good and insightful. I think it speaks to how teams are evaluating goalies.

But like what you just said is so true. One goal in garbage time of the third period can push your goals against average up, can push your say percentage down. And it will be a situation where maybe like contextually you should give up a goal because your team is selling out because they're trying to all score or some shit. Yeah. Or your team's up by four and you give up a softie or whatever. Like, it's not costing your team the game.

It's not showing that you're a poor netminder because in the other 59 minutes of fucking game, you're great. But that one goal is going to reflect in your stats. And it's why goalie stats are so fucking tricky, man, because the context simply isn't there for how they actually play. You got to wait. You can't care in October too much. You can carry a little bit. But, yeah, like, that one goal he gave up. I think it was Calgary.

he went from like 9-17 to like 9-10 I'm like well I can't brag about a 9-10 say percentage I'm like what am I doing by why do I care it's October 20th yeah so the Minnesota Wild oh yeah they're fine are they yeah they're gonna just get healthy

and they'll play better but like the idea that you're you can be out of it in October is really only if you're like the coyotes or if you're the Rangers and you lost to the coyotes otherwise like yeah like there's just so much time left Matt Dumbbell will stop passing the puck to

people like we have our question of the day and like a lot of people were like shredding Matt Dumba in the answers. It was like Matt Dumba and turnovers. Matt Duma and giveaways. Like, wow. Washington Capitol's 11 points and 12 games. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

These teams are coming from behind. Yeah, like I was thinking like the bottom four or five teams. How done are they? Boston Bruins. Happy on the bottom coming from behind. That division. That division stinks. That third spot.

Even Toronto. Toronto's at a point where they're sticking Patrick Marlowe at center and Mitch Parner on the fourth line. Tampa's going to win that division by like 30 points. By the way, you put St. Louis to top your power rankings this week, huh? I did. We didn't talk about David Bacchus losing part of his colon. Oh, I never read the story.

Was it like a cancer thing? Diverticulitis. What is that? I want to sound smart. Diverticulitis? Yeah. If they're removing part of your colon, you're out eight weeks, it must not be good. I think that's when your testicles explode while you're diving.

Like you go to see a shark and then they just pop because of the air pressure. I think that's diverticulitis. No, that's when you're a traffic cop and you divert traffic. and you get a cold? I don't know. I don't have a lot of divert jokes. It's a phobia that you believe that there are Lyme disease causing ticks inside of your lettuce. You divertic your lettuce.

Well, now we have to cancel the podcast. That's it. We just got word. All right, let's get to the question of the week, which, of course, was give us your favorite duos. Yeah, let's get some of these called up. Some of these are funny. Your favorite duos in, in, in, you. in hockey. Again, it's a situation

where we left it broad. We left it broad on purpose to try to see if you guys had some goofy answers and stuff. And once again, you never let us down. It should be said. Amongst the best ones, Tommy Boy Alfanyo

writes in, Carolina, Florida, Arizona, and relocation rumors are his favorite duo. Mike Babcocki writes in, Evander Cain and Dustin Bufflin Track suits forever Those two James Not a Yam says Dave Lozo and hating everything

The NHL ever does, rightfully so Do you like anything in the NHL? I always get asked that question by people that want to find out If you're actually this disenchanted With the National Hockey League Or whatever It's a poorly run league Actually one of the questions for the mailbag

We'll get to touches on that with the whole Gueriel gets off thing Oh also if you're For those who aren't as Patreon subscribers as mailbag this week will be there as it is every week we do the mailbag and also what just dropped yesterday um yesterday being november 1st was our full commentary track for sudden death the jean claude van dam classic and i did want to touch on that for a moment remember during the commentary track when i was confusing theo the thief from die hard with argyle oh that's what that tweet was

the black guy in the in the in the limo right argyles argyle's the good guy theo's the bad guy so i i i i admitted my fault on that. It was a really bad mistake. And then I went on to say that they're the only two black guys in the movie, completely forgetting that like the fourth lead in the movie is Reginald Val Johnson, Al Powell. Oh, that's why they were saying. Who is most certainly an African American gentleman. He's definitely a black man. Yes, he is. So when you listen to the commentary track, I acknowledge the fact that not only was I confusing to the two black guys in the movie and calling one guy Argyll when clearly he's. Theo, because it's time of miracles. I also completely forgot that the dad from Family Matters was also one of the leads in the movie. No, I thought we talked about that. I remember us doing now, God damn it, no. I thought we were doing that bit.

We were, but we weren't. We didn't acknowledge the error in the statement that we made. Wait, what says we shit? Mike Hacksstead writes in sincere answer, Bob Cole and Harry Neal from Hockey Night in Canada years ago. Were I to do my favorite broadcasting duo,

I guess it would have to be Gary Thorne and John Davidson, right? Or would it be a Gary Thorne and Bill Clement for you? It would be neither. I'll take anybody on TSN or Sportsnet. Anytime I watch a game and it has Canadian announcers, I'm so happy. You don't like Gary Thorne? I like Gary Thorne couldn't say Oleg Tebradovsky for six years. Oleg Tebradorsky, you always call them.

I think you might have been also afflicted with these Scott Stevens, Kevin Stevens disease. Oh, yeah. Neumire passes to Kevin Stevens. I tend to like everybody who's not the main. NBC trio, like Brendan Burke, all those guys are good, but I just... Friend of the Boggs.

Don't need Doc and Pierre and Eddie. I just don't. Mm-hmm. Bill Clement's fine. I mean, Gary Thorne was fine, but like... I don't know. Lee Coleman writes in Tortson Brooksie. Oh, somebody else said Tortsin Hartley, too.

Or Brig Golov and a camera. So I guess that means... Bridge has been doing a lot of stuff with Merrick on Sports Night. He's doing like Bridge Mailbag. I've noticed that. He's kind of honing in. on our thing here. No, it's fine. I don't think I ever want to talk to Britsy again because

I'm afraid Putin might come up and I'll be befuddled once again. Yeah, like at some point during the American thing, he's going to be like, ah, you know, Putin did he do good. You invade too over here, right? What do you think about players misbehaving, Brish? Well, you know,

sometimes people need to be ruled within Iron Feast, like those silly bastards in Crimea who will bow to the power of beautiful man. We got a, we got to go. We were going to

Sean McKenzie at Senator's practice or whatever. Here comes Jeff Merrick's Tier 2 Junior Hockey Rankings. Number 10, Chikudemy. Robert Berger writes in Bredor and Avery.

That's a good one. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Avery. I don't get this one. Maybe you know this. Brandon Kelly says Zach Rinaldo and bathroom mirrors. Is that just saying he's fugly or I don't know like I was picturing like the A-Rod photo spread where he

was like kissing himself in the mirror like I don't know if Bernad has one of those I saw the funniest things I ever seen this week where somebody ran that photo of A-Rod kissing himself in the mirror then ran the upgrade button yeah and it was Jay-Lo and her butt hanging out Tyler this is as you mentioned before T-Duce 92 writes in Matt Dumbah

and his inevitable giveaways in the defensive zone yeah again it was one of the worst gaffes of the season for sure Scott says Ryan O'Reilly and Tim Hortons. That's good. Central Scrutonizer writes in Clitsum and Legwond. I never really thought.

Wow. Why has it taken me this long to realize that Legwond is a double entendre? Did you have them on your list? No. He didn't make the list of the 100 greatest double on sex names and hockey in our book? I don't think so. Wow. That's pretty good, though, right?

And it sucks because when we finally post it. it like there was one name in there twice. Oh, he might have been. I don't remember. David Legwan. That's great. That time period of my life is a blur. Good on you central scrutinizer,

bring that to our attention. Jenny Scrivens and Ben Scrivens from Daisy Unlocked. Dr. Chu writes in, Pierre McGuire and Sidney Crosby, and I would agree with that, but I also think, you know, Pierre McGuire,

Clairot-Geroux, Pierre McGuire, Bap, Bap, Pierre McGuire, God, butt out there. Elena is Bouts, East Bout, I feel like I'm saying that wrong. I don't think that's phonetic. Sackick and Forsberg. That was a good time back then.

Oh, man, wouldn't it? Yeah, you kids don't know. You kids don't know what that. By the way, that was not my duo, though. Who was your duo? Eiserman and Federoff. Even though they hated each other. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't feel like they were like BFF.

So I could see Sacken and Forsberg being buddies. I don't know. Steve Mason and a 4.84 goals against. Abe Underhill. Zinging Steve Mason. Yeah, Connor Heliubuck is like a 960s 8%. Connor Hallibeck was my choice on the morning skate this week on ESPN as the most underrated goalie in the league. The last two years he's been great and he's doing it in a system that does not help out goalies.

Was he great last year? I think he was pretty bad. He was fine last year. I think he was okay. This year and last year combined, he's in the top 10 for expected say a percentage. Chicken and pasta. And a proud American. I'm going to, I disagree with cute Yvonne pickle face. Chicken and pasta don't go together so great.

It does, but like I'd rather have a meatball or some sausage in there. I used to make a really good dish, but I used to make a really good dish. I stopped making it because people hated eating it because it was too hot. I made a Cajun chicken Alfredo. Cajun. Yeah, super hot Cajun chicken, and then the Alfredo is sort of like your ranch dressing for your buffalo wing kind of deal. Yeah. Like it tames the hot out of it.

It's really tasty. I'm coming over tonight for dinner. I have to make it again. I feel like chicken tonight. I heard that. Chicken tonight. Is a good one. Chicken tonight.

Best one on the list, Lucas Pillar. Or Pilar. I don't know how he pronounces it. I assume it's like Kevin Pilar of the Blue Jays. Sweet Caroline. on the sweet golden nights. Oh, Jesus Christ. Sweet golden nights.

Brandon Dieter writes and Phil Kessel and Hot Dogs, but we all know the real answer, Steve Simmons and Hot Dogs. Yeah. Yeah. The Kessel and Hot Dogs is like a love match while the Simmons is what is the... And again, no matter what happens to me on social media, there will always be those moments where I get to see things like him tweeting, like, a beautiful moment for Houston, a beautiful moment for baseball.

And then the first response is, hot dogs! Maybe you should write more about Houston's hot dog vendors, hot dog man. He has me blocked. It's the greatest. I never, he's like Ravel whenever he gets quote tweeted. I never see the tweet. I've never see the tweet. I'm going to be nuts.

All right. That's the show for this week. Thanks to Tom McFarlane for joining us talking about Farland toys and the Evan Oilers jerseys and ownership and Bettman and all that stuff. He was great. He was awesome. And thanks to the folks at McFarland's toys for putting that thing together, go out there and buy them, walking dead action figures and all the cool stuff.

out these days. And yeah, we'll talk to you guys next week. Trying to formulate another live show in the near future. I'm trying to get one in order because I know that Lozo, the landmark episode of this podcast, those is waiting for. It's coming. It's coming. It's coming right in your face. It's not happy on the bottom. It's coming from behind. It's coming from both ends, actually. Indeed. And so we're looking to maybe do a live show around that. We'll get back to you on that one. And yeah, we'll chat with you guys next week. I just want to briefly say, I went to Fright Thet

at Great Adventure this week, or last week, rather, and you know who was in, I'm sorry, online, as I say, I almost said the right thing. You know who was online in front of me, like three people in front of me, at Great Adventure? At Great Adventure. Halloween, so it was last week, right? So it was in Halloween.

Mike Trow. Aaron Judge, you were close. Oh, that's pretty good. Aaron Judge was there with his girlfriend, and, like, everybody was kind of, like, losing their shit. Like, just a lot of photos being taken on the slide. There's a lot of people asking her photos

and him just being like, no, no, no. And all I could think of is this. What is the decision that Aaron Judge makes where he is not buying the special pass that you can go in through the exit of the ride and is trying to go with all the common folk? Like, standing in a line of like... He hasn't got his payday yet. Okay, granted, but he's probably wealthy enough where you can afford the flash pass. And I was trying to figure out what the play was. Was it like, I'm trying to show my girl that I'm a normal person?

I didn't know that the flash past existed that I can go up the exit It's that one I think It's got to be that right I just didn't know about it And I found it really interesting Because I used to work a great adventure When I was a kid

Well you used to work everywhere Yeah I know And uh And hard working in Greg Wischinski And I worked in their PR department And when celebrities would come to the park There people would call ahead and be like Hey you know celebrity is coming to the park

And then you know Somebody would go and walk around the park with them And get them on the rides and all And protect them from the common folk And all that stuff And to put a time stamp on it Brandy was one of these celebrities

Yeah, who came to the park during my time there and got the full like celebrity treatment. But so it struck me as weird that A, his agent wasn't like, hey, Aaron Judge is coming to the park on a night where there are people in hockey masks with chainsaws walking around

trying to scare everybody. You take care of him for me. And then he didn't know that like you could spend an extra 50 bucks or 200 bucks or other shit it is and get in the exits and not stand in line for the rides. I've heard a lot of Aaron Judge interviews and stuff. I feel like he's he's got a lot of hockey player in him where like he just wants to be one of the guys

just a good teammate, good person, just a regular old guy. Fortunately he's like six foot eight, gigantic. Right. Yeah, how does he get on the rides? Like, I'd be afraid of like,

because like, remember all the nightmare stories you heard as a kid about getting beheaded and stuff? They gave him head on free fall. Yeah. Your hair gets caught in free fall. Great. But like he's just so tall that like if he goes through like a tunnel or something. He was on Superman the ride and that's the one where you,

you kind of like fly like Superman. Like you actually like are horizontal as you do the ride? Is it like one of those? So it's like a ride that's like way too long and reminds you of a ride that was good in the past and you wish you could just go on that ride instead. Is that how that works? It's a ride that you get on it and you're like, wow, this is a ride of good and light. And then by the end, you're like, why did they make it so bad and not good? And someone died at the end. And why is Brandon Roth in the front of this ride? I don't understand that at all. Like,

they couldn't get somebody better than him. You were going for Superman returns and I was going for Man of Steel. And I love Man of Steel. Every Superman they've made since the new Superman's been bad. Superman's bad. Henry Cavill is a good Superman. He's just been in bad Superman. Yeah. So that was a weird thing. Anyways, you got anything to add at this point? No.

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