Purple Insider - a Minnesota Vikings and NFL podcast - 670 The Score's Laurence Holmes breaks down the Bears' Dalton decision and offseason QB movement

Episode Date: April 8, 2021

Matthew Coller gets together with Chicago host Laurence Holmes to talk about whether the Bears have regrets after Teddy Bridgewater and Jimmy Garoppolo's teams made trades for quarterbacks and the Bears are left with Andy Dalton. Plus Laurence is confused by the Panthers' trade and talks about the strange reports about Justin Fields. He also asks if Matthew has ever tried Taco Bell breakfast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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and also occasionally very early in the morning on Sundays, host on CBS Sports Radio, as he let me know a few weeks ago. What's up, Lawrence? I do owe you. I'm glad to do it because I love what you're doing anyway. I think it's a really good step forward for our industry, and I like the entrepreneurial spirit of it. So I'm glad to do it. Well, I appreciate that.

I hold that over people's heads. I'm like, come on, don't you want to help me succeed here? But in this case. We do want to help you succeed. Well, I appreciate that. I hold that over people's heads. I'm like, come on, don't you want to help me succeed here? But in this case, we do want to help you succeed. Well, I appreciate that. I appreciate that. In this case together. So I want to touch on some Chicago Bears stuff and make fun of your quarterback position. But also get into some of the stuff that's been going on leading up to draft season. Let's start with me making fun of Andy Dalton first. Don't you have regrets because they sign Andy Dalton to the Bears. And then all of a sudden now Jimmy G might be available. Even Teddy Bridgewater might be available, who the Bears and then all of a sudden now Jimmy G might be available even Teddy Bridgewater

might be available who the Bears should have signed last season and would have been the perfect kind of game managing quarterback for that situation and instead here you are 10 million dollars to Andy Dalton who is just locks you into a ceiling of eight nine maybe ten wins if everything goes well we should be in a place where the bears are moving on from andy dalton because they signed him last year as a free agent instead of trading capital to get nick foals to be their quarterback who i swear if you would have heard the press conference that Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy did when introducing Dalton, it was incredible. They talked about Foles in past tense. It was bizarre.

And they were telling you all of this great stuff. Oh, well, he knows the system, and he worked with all of the offensive coaches, and this is going to be really easy, and it hasn't been easy. So you bring in Dalton. I actually have no issue with him bringing in Dalton, okay? My problem is you could have had him for a lot cheaper last year. Secondly, you've now tripled his salary from what he was making in Dallas. Thirdly, I'm not convinced he's better than the guy that you let walk out the door.

I'm not sure that he's better than Mitch Trubisky. And if someone asked me to bet on which quarterback could win me a game, I'd bet on Mitch before I'd bet on this version of Andy Dalton. Well, the Vikings lost Andy Dalton. Well, the Vikings are, well, they lost Andy Dalton last year too. So they lost to kind of everyone who had an arm and two legs. But Mitch Trubisky, even when the Vikings have been good, has given them problems. Like 2018 especially beats them at home to eliminate them from the playoffs.

And last year the Vikings needed to beat Mitch Trubisky to stay in the race and they couldn't do it even though he handed them an interception late in that game and gave them a chance to go down and win and they did not do that but I think that from a Vikings perspective you do look at this and say man you know Trubisky was far from perfect but he gave us a harder time than Andy Dalton probably will because at least he had mobility. He could make some plays with his legs that made up for it. And by no means would I call him a franchise quarterback, but I think you just kind of traded one thing for the other that's exactly the same with a different name. I mean, Mitch Trubisky under average circumstances goes

eight and eight. And I think the same thing for Andy Dalton. In those days of him winning 10 or 11 games in Cincinnati and putting up decent numbers there, those teams had elite defenses. Those teams had unbelievable playmakers. And I just don't feel like Chicago is really in a place where they were a couple of years ago, where they had the number one defense. And, you know, the playmaker's okay, but the offensive line isn't super great. Like it just feels so epically mediocre to me that if you don't end up drafting a quarterback, like what are we doing here? Exactly.

That's a really good turn of phrase, epically mediocre. That kind of sums up the quarterbacks that they brought in during Ryan Pace's tenure. It's Mike Leonard trading up for Mitchell Trubisky. It's then saying, well, Mitch needs someone here to kind of hold his hand. It's bringing in Chase Daniel. Hall of Famer at the bank, Chase Daniel, considering all the money that he's made. It's Tyler Bray. It's trading assets for Nick Foles.

And then it's signing Andy Dalton. You've been signing the same quarterback for the last six years. You've been chasing the same guy for the last six years. And the Bears have really leaned into this. It's been amazing to watch the fan base react to it. So on social media, the Bears put up a picture of Dalton, just said QB1, and the mentions went berserk. It was great.

And they're not getting away from this. Bears fans, I don't think are going to let them get away with Kyle Fuller no longer being on this team. You can make an argument that he's your second or third best defensive player, and they let him go. And they were like, oh, well, you need to cut your salary in half. There are a couple Bears fans that are like, oh, they think that they're playing four-dimensional chess, and they're not.

Like, they're barely playing checkers, and they're running out of checkers. Like it's, it's, it's been really interesting to watch the react that you're getting from bears fans. They, they have a right to be really angry about all of this stuff. So the way to save your job usually goes one way or another. If you're in this position,

one way is you make a big splashy move and you say we got our guy and then they put out a big social media post we got our guy and you know i don't think andy dalton does that even if you put out qb1 but the other way to do it is to draft a quarterback and then say now look we, we got unlucky with Mitch Trubisky, but now we know the right guy to draft. The only problem is you're picking at 20. Congratulations on the first round out in the playoffs. It's always so good when you make the playoffs and they all celebrate, oh, we made the playoffs. And then you get to the draft, you go, man, I kind of wish we had lost like four more games there um it's we got to the playoffs and you know it's a new season it's zero zero and nobody has a record and we've got as good of a chance as anyone else to win the super bowl and

then oh you embarrass yourself again on national television awesome oh yeah we've heard this even from the vikings where it's like just get into the playoffs like does that really work? I mean, Tom Brady seems to go to the Super Bowl all the time. Like, don't you have to be a number one or two seed? I think you probably do, unless you have Tom Brady. Just tell us that. Yeah. So that whole, like, just get in thing. I mean, we heard that when the Vikings, you know,

went and played the Saints, they beat them. It was like, congratulations on a wild card round win. T.J. Yates also has one of those. He does. congratulations on a wild card round win t.j yates also has one of those so but on the drafting quarterback matter i just don't see how it happens unless you have decided kellen mond or kyle trask is your guy because i just checked out daniel jeremiah's mock draft today and it has five quarterbacks in the top seven picks. I don't think you're getting one of those top five, Lawrence. I don't think so either. The Bears have been in both pro days of Kellen Mond and Kyle Trask.

So if you're looking, like I've been trying to figure out, like, which one of those guys I'd rather roll dice with. And initially I kept thinking Trask. But then, you know, I was watching the SEC game, the bowl game, I mean, with him, and he didn't have his top three receivers, and it looked as bad as a quarterback can look. With Mond, I think that there's something there, but I don't know what it is. And maybe I think that them drafting a quarterback outside of the first round

is actually a good thing for that particular quarterback. It's less pressure than them jumping up to sign Mac Jones. We'll see. I mean, they had money in their pocket that they were trying to burn on the Russell Wilson deal. Let's see how far they'd be willing to go if any of these prospects rises to the level of them trading up and saying, we feel conviction. That's a big Brian Pace term.

We feel conviction about this player. Maybe they would do that. But, yeah, to me, it's looking deeper into the draft. It is looking at players like Kellermond or Kyle Trask or the kid from Stanford, Davis. Mills, Davis Mills. Davis Mills. Like that's a later in the draft pick that says we're trying to address the quarterback issue,

but we're not going to throw a ton of resources into it. And maybe you get lucky. Maybe you end up with a lottery ticket instead of trading up and taking someone in the first round where expectations are going to be as soon as dalton messes up as soon as he has a stretch of two bad games like that's it and bring in the new guy and let's roll the only thing with that strategy is you know every once in a while there's a lucky break where it's like russell wilson or dac prescott or jalen But just for you, I pulled up some of the other quarterbacks who get drafted in the middle.

We've got our Will Greers, our Ryan Finleys, someone named Kyle Lalletta, who I think played for the Jets. We've got our C.J. Beathards, our Davis Webs, our Cody Kesslers. That doesn't seem like a good strategy either. It almost feels like the better strategy would have been to just fire everyone and then be able to start over and take a longer term approach because the idea of having to trade up all of your assets to get somebody who drops, let's say someone drops to 10 and you can get Trey Lance or something.

So you're going to trade up 10 spots and give away next year's first and something else and something else. I mean, that just seems like we're going to get fired, so who cares if we don't have those draft picks the next year or drafting someone in the middle rounds. Like Davis or whatever his name is, Davis Mills, 95% chance that's lighting a draft pick on fire, right? So you're kind of just in this stuck spot where it would be better to take a long-term approach,

and we deal with this here in Minnesota as well, and yet these people in charge can't really do that. Everyone is surprised that this group is being allowed to do this again. That Ryan Pace is going to be in charge of your quarterback again. It's very strange. It makes me believe that they aren't on as hot of a seat as we all think they are. It makes me think that they have at least another year outside of this one. And what adds fuel to that speculation, that is speculation, that is not me reporting anything. But I remember at the end of the year press conference,

Bears ownership was asked repeatedly about the contract status of Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy. And every time that they were asked that question, there was this deferral of, we don't talk about contract length, none of that stuff. And it makes me believe that, that I think that there's at least one more year on this.

And I can, I can make the argument from the moves that they've made and say, if you're in a half to it gotta win right now do you really let Kyle Fuller walk out of the door and if you feel like you were if the job was contingent upon you getting Russell Wilson then why'd you offer them three ones and a three and not three ones and a two you know like it's little stuff like that where I go, maybe they aren't as desperate as one would think they should be at this point considering the way things have gone for the Bears.

It's troubling because if he gets this wrong and the evidence leading up to this says that he's going get this wrong you will have turned over a decade of bears football to him because then you got to think okay you're gonna need two years to figure out if the guy's any good right then you're gonna have to say screw it if he's not any good then then you're going to have to draft another quarterback, and then you're going to win another two years to see if that guy's any good. And all of that goes back to what happened four years ago with Mitchell Trubisky and

that draft. So it's, I don't know, man. Like, it is, it's very, like, here's where things are, Matthew. I'm friends with Josina Anderson, right? Like, we've known each other since she used to work out of Chicago as the national, as the regional correspondent for ESPN. She's the queen of breaking news. Like, she gets stuff.

She put up there, Welp. I think it was just Welp about something that was going on with the Bears quarterback search. And do you know that Bears fans went crazy? They were like, oh, my God, this means that Russell Wilson is coming. They were doing everything they could to attach. So I told them, I'm going to come come with a T-shirt, hashtag Welp, and sell it. But that's how desperate the fan base is right now.

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if you think about like Russell Wilson last year didn't even have a great situation or great team. He won 12 games. The Vikings have done that, what, like three times in the last 30 years? And this guy without even a good situation ends up with that because that you know some people were like oh if they're going to give up that much then that's fine we don't care like yes you do because he's that good and so that like I really think that it was true the joke everyone was making like Russell Wilson wanting to come to the Bears was one of the great moments in bears quarterback history and maybe one

of the best um but it is it's just amazing what like an incredible cluster the all-time situation is for the bears at quarterback and i was thinking about that situation with ryan pace and with matt naggy and it's almost like where they are now in the moves that they were allowed to make this offseason like buying a house one week after you're talking about breaking up with someone. Like, should we, yeah, should we just break up, go our separate ways? No, let's buy a house together. Let's buy a house and have a baby. Both of those things. Right. Would not advise from a relationship standpoint, but that's what it feels like. And they've kind of locked themselves in, even though divorce seems like it's pretty clear down the road i want to ask you about a couple of other things non-bears

related because i could make fun of the quarterback situation forever uh sorry lawrence air kramer is not walking through that door so you're jim miller is not walking through that door the legend jim miller and that's standard right now that's right if If Andy Dalton gives you Kyle Orton-level play, then maybe you make the playoffs. Are you buying Sam Darnold in Carolina? No. No, me either. I am a non-believer in Sam Darnold,

and I am shocked by all the people that are like, he just needs a change of scenery. And I'm like, hold up. I watched him at USC and some of the same problems that he had in the pros he had at USC, pocket awareness, fumbling the ball in the pocket, making bad decisions late in games. Like all that stuff was still available. You tell me that I've got a quarterback that's out here telling people that he's seeing ghosts and he's 22 at the time that doesn't bode well for

him to not see ghosts I think it's weird that Carolina kind of moved on from Teddy Bridgewater when his resume says that he's more capable of playing good football. I won't say great, but good football than Sam Darnold. Now, Darnold, I guess, gives you the outside chance of playing great football, but there isn't enough there for me to feel confident that you should do that. It's a really, really strange move, and it is being met with some applause that I am struck by. I am struck by, too.

Think about it. These were two of the worst teams in the NFL roster-wise last year, Carolina and the New York Jets. And Teddy Bridgewater gets them three more wins than Sam Darnold got them. And even at times, I thought Bridgewater kept them in games that were close they came very close to beating the Vikings they came very close to even beating Kansas City with Teddy Bridgewater and then he faded down the stretch after he tried to come back from an injury and it didn't go very well and I also think that people figured out Joe Brady and to me there's

this there's this whiff of arrogance coming from them like, oh, it's not our fault. It's definitely Teddy's fault. It's not our fault we kept running the same offense and everybody figured it out because this is the NFL and not college, and you can't just run your LSU offense all the way through the national championship and have Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson destroy everyone and Joe Burrow because this is pro football. And I think that's what happened to them.

And now it's like, oh, it's Teddy's fault. We need somebody with a better arm or something like that. I'm like, dude, what? Teddy Bridgewater with New Orleans went 5-0. Teddy Bridgewater with a good Vikings team went 11-5. And I'm not saying at all he's a superstar. Not at all. He's a middle-of-the-pack quarterback.

But Sam Darnall had a lower pff grade than carson wentz last year he has never at any point been good or even remotely good like his highlight reel is okay but like beyond that but whose isn't beyond that it's like there is no ryan tannahill here ryan tannahill right he's in miami got them to the playoffs had some good seasons and then took it to the next level. It's like, thank you, Adam Gase, if you're Sam Darnold, because who's picking up that fifth-year option if everyone doesn't blame Adam Gase? And I don't think it could be all his fault. I agree with you.

And I think it's convenient because Gase was a bit of a clown, and I understand that. But it's also like, are we not looking at the tape like are we not looking at some of the decisions that darnel made and here's what people keep saying about him he's 23 like that's that's their whole thing so let me get this straight would you would you have given the same deference to jamis for example that you gave to sam darnold jamis is still out here again now he'll get the opportunity to to fight off tasem hill as they do their falcon and winter soldier thing down there in new orleans but they're basically giving darnold the starting job in Carolina. Like, I don't know how you can,

I don't know how you can justify that if you're Matt rule. I really don't. I can't think of another example like this, where a guy comes in and is just like handed the job. You're the man when he's been this awful, even Ryan Tannehill, Tannehill came in as the backup to Marcus Mariota Marcus Mariota is way better in his first couple years and actually so is Trubisky because they

actually won something than Sam Darnold and these guys have to go be backups now in the NFL I covered EJ Manuel in Buffalo and his first couple of years were a complete mess and the guy went to the Raiders and was a backup for them and that was kind of the rest of his career same with Christian Ponder here usually if you bust early like you might have a chance later in your career to pop up somewhere as somebody's starter but never is anyone just piling up assets to give your team to bring you in it's normally yeah well let's sign this guy to a one-year, $5 million contract as our backup. I mean, even Blake Bortles was in the AFC Championship game, and he ends up as a journeyman backup still. Like, normally, the sample early in

a guy's career is pretty predictive of what they're going to be. So I think this is going to crash and burn. I think so, too. And usually what happens is you wait for that guy to get cut. Like you, you wait for that player to be like, okay, well now it's a lower risk that we're taking instead of giving away assets. We're really only giving away money and we're not giving away that much money, not draft capital. Like I don't care where the picks are. Like, I really don't. Like, it's bizarre to chase after someone who's been historically bad in games. Like, embarrassingly so. But maybe I like, I will say this. Like, I've heard Matt Rule on a couple of different interviews, and I like his vibe and what he's trying to do.

I just think that this is hitching your wagon to a quarterback that hasn't earned the right to have a wagon hitch to him. I also think that college football coaches are very good at selling themselves. They're very good talkers. They're very good. I can get hired in this interview. I even think that Cliff Kingsbury's kind of mediocre as a head coach, if not even bat. I mean, what has he done that's so great in Arizona that's turned them around? And I think that these guys who go from college where it's just like they're the god of the university, and then they go to the NFL and they find out it's very different. I think that

Teddy Bridgewater went from Sean Payton and Mike Zimmer to longtime established good NFL coaches. Sean Payton, one of the great offensive coaches ever in NFL history to Matt Rule. And it was like, huh? Cause those two didn't really seem to get along and gel very well. And then of course it's gotta be the quarterback's fault because it couldn't be God of Baylor university in my smock. So I just, just I'm just not buying I'm just not buying that at all but um the truth is you're not buying it because of the smock I mean that's really what smock bias is a major issue on the Purple Insider Show um so what what's um what's going to happen with everyone else's quarterback do you think I mean like isn't this is it was wild because we've decided kind of who's

going number one and two I'm not even 100 sure it's Zach Wilson I'm how do you see this playing out so that's another thing that surprised me a little bit I one you have people now I think that this time of year makes all of us stupid. I think we get really silly when it comes to some of this stuff, where you have people going, well, maybe, maybe the Jaguars should consider taking, and like get out of here with that stuff. I don't know a lot, but I know that Trevor Lawrence's floor is really, really high.

And the idea that he fails at the NFL level, I would find shocking. I'm not here to tell you that he's going to be an all-pro. I'm just saying that I'm pretty confident that he'll be okay. The rest of these dudes, they do have question marks, and it's been fascinating to watch the rise of Zach Wilson. And I couldn't believe how dumb we were two weeks ago. We meaning media capital M. Oh, my God.

He threw a ball across his body with no pass rush and no defender. And people are like, no, it just shows the arm strength. Justin Fields did the exact same throw at his pro day, and people weren't salivating over it the way that they were salivating over the Zach. Like, I saw Zach play, and I've looked at some of the games in the season before when they were playing against good competition, and when they were playing against good competition, he wasn't that good.

I'm fine with rolling dice on a guy that's got some athletic traits, and he clearly does, but it makes us really silly. So, yeah, I think that we're going to see quarterbacks going in the first four, and it's going to be like in the Mac Jones thing, I'm a big Alabama fan. Roll tide. And it's going to be like in the Mac Jones thing, I'm a big Alabama fan. Roll Tide. I think that he's better than people gave him credit for during the season. And I think he's getting way too much credit during the draft season. There are a lot of times where if we just went with where things started

instead of where they ended or our last bit of information. We would actually probably do better. And I think the Justin Fields thing is going to turn out that way. Like it was supposed to be very clear that it was Trevor Lawrence and then Justin Fields. And then the waters get all muddy with all sorts of other stuff of like, well, Mac Jones, you know, he could be, you know, just like Kirk Cousins and Kyle Shanahan loves Kirk Cousins. And maybe he's Joe Montana. I don't know. And then Justin Fields, he doesn't process well.

But you watch the tape, and he actually does process well. And you're like, what are we doing here? What are we doing here? I do think that there is a fun Wilson versus Fields debate because one guy might have a higher ceiling because of his creativity, and the other guy is clearly a better athlete and I think um maybe even a more accurate passer maybe even a like stronger arm in terms of velocity and in Justin Fields um but there's this like Fields is fast and he runs but he doesn't have those like throws off platform kind of throws that Wilson

does but then he plays him in in in saw him in the playoffs do exactly that. That's right. That's right. And then, but then there's the competition, the quality of competition. Now I think that there's a possibility Wilson becomes like a little higher ceiling. Maybe, I don't know, but, but Fields has such great traits too. I'm not sure.

And I, the, the, the thing that I can't stand though, is the character assassinations you're like come on man is that not obvious that somebody wants him to drop like so like don't shouldn't we have a bs meter in general here i was talking about this on my radio show that i think that we we haven't kind of those of us in media haven't spoken out loudly enough about this, that there's consequences to this. Like, it's all fun and games, and it's all of the NFL spy game that goes on, and, well, everybody lies, but there's a person on the end of this,

and they're impacted, and Justin Fields might be impacted with where he's drafted and how much money he makes. And that stuff is going to stay attached to him for the remainder of his career. And that seems unfair that that's the case, that a guy that seemingly, and I don't know for sure, seemingly does everything right, including being one of the torchbearers for getting college football back last year now gets to be slandered in this way and it's just okay because

we decided that we're gonna allow for stuff like that because that's just NFL front offices being cagey and that's just them playing the game until it affects someone and and i don't i i think that it is wholly unfair to justin fields that this type of stuff is out there and i wish nfl teams would for a second consider the damage that they're doing and not just the come up that they might get. Hey, everyone. We have a new special offer to tell you about with our friends at Symbol. If you go to symbol.app, that's S-I-M-B-U-L-L dot A-P-P, and sign up as a first-time user with a $20 deposit into Symbol using the promo code PURPLE, you will receive six months free

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because it's it's hard you can't oh i have a source that says this well what how am i going to prove you wrong but it better to me it better be right or i'm just not going to pay attention to you anymore and i also think that like dan orlovsky he said that uh oh well you know when i talked to other people then they didn't say justin fields was a bad person It's like, that's not enough, man. You need to apologize to Justin Fields, and you need to apologize for having a really low standard for what you take in and what comes back out of your mouth. That's right there, is that you had someone who's an analyst

who drifted into the lane of reporting without the actual journalistic background to do it, and that's a very dangerous place for someone to be. And what I think is unbelievable about all of that, not only did it fly in the face of what other people told Dan, it also flew in the face of his own analysis of Justin Fields. And that to me is shocking that you would go to the air with an opinion that you don't share, even though you have painstakingly gone through the tape and actually know what you're talking about when it comes to breaking down quarterback play. You know what it

reminds me of is statistical usage in sports where it's like if you don't know how to use stats just don't like just go with what you see and just go with what you feel because a little bit of stats that aren't used correctly is much worse than uh no stats and i think the same thing goes for sources it's like you'd be much better off with no sources and just watching with your own eyes than you would be taking in bs from else and having it, you know, just clearly confuse Dan Orlovsky. Anyway, we could rant about this for a long time, but tell me before we wrap up Lawrence,

like who's your guy or who's your guys in the draft. This is one of the most fun parts of the draft is we fall in love with a couple of guys. We go, you know what? I know who's going to make it. It's going to be this guy. He's awesome.

Sewell's my guy. Sewell's your guy your guy okay and way off the board there lawrence he's my but he's my guy though and i feel like because we're so quarterback crazy that he'll go lower than he should it doesn't he he should maybe be the second pick in the draft but you can't do it because you're like oh well I got to get one of these quarterbacks even though the hit rate on those guys is lower than what the hit rate is on on tackles and if if you're if you're Cincinnati I keep thinking about the Bengals at nine I'm like you have to do this you've already got your quarterback you could go out and get him a skilled position guy for sure but why not protect him why like to me the value and maybe your board looks different to me it's quarterback guy who chases the quarterback, guy who protects the quarterback.

That's how I would rank my hierarchy. And if you've got someone that's got some fairly unique skills as a pass blocker and as a run blocker, how can you not? How can you not say that that's the player that you want to put next to your franchise quarterback? I think that there's a lot of different ways to view that and look at it. But I also think if you're a team like Cincinnati and you just take the best player who's there, the best prospect, the guy who could be a Hall of Famer, like, that's probably the way to go. If you just look at a guy and you say, you know, Jamar Chase, maybe he doesn't quite separate the way some other elite receivers do, but Panay Sewell is a perfect moldable Orlando pace.

Like, just do that. You know, because I think we can sort of spin ourselves in circles and be like, but if he doesn't have protection, then he won't be able to throw it. But if he doesn't have anyone open to throw it to, then, like, all these things are bad, really. You need to fix all those problems. But just take the best player. And I think Sewell is a pretty good pick. Although, you know, maturity issues.

Do you see that? Sure. Sure. Sure, there's a maturity issue. And he's not the first guy in. He's not the last guy out. Yep. All the other lies that are being told right now.

I also have maturity issues to be honest. Don't we all? I mean, I know I do. I eat Taco Bell like six times a week. Like that's some concerns there. Maybe not, maybe not recently,

but like when I'm on the run, if I'm covering stuff, yeah, it can be like four plus. Are you a Taco Bell breakfast guy? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That is... I don't want any part of the Taco Bell breakfast.

Have you ever had... I've never had it. I've never had it either. I was just wondering. Oh, I mean, it just seems like wrong, doesn't it? Well, can I just say that I'm really mad at Taco Bell because I think that one of the best items that they've ever had on the menu, and I don't know if it's the same up by you, you got to bring the caramel apple

empanada back. Got to. I can't live in a world where you're giving me under-cinnamoned cinnamon twists. Just call them cornflakes because they don't have enough cinnamon on them. And you're not giving me the caramel apple empanada. You've got to give it to me. You know, it's been a real shame that they have cut down some of these menus because if you were a real savvy fast food person, you could kind of go off the board a little bit like you were a scout who saw the person who played D3 or something. Like that was good. And then you could – like, hey, if you actually get this, it's surprisingly good. There was once upon a time McDonald's had fajitas, and I worked there as a teenager.

No one ever ordered them, but we ate them on our breaks all the time and definitely paid for them. But they were delicious. It was like nobody knew how good these were. Like apple pies was a little bit of that with McDonald's too. Terrific apple pies. I don't even know if they have them anymore. You know who's got a representative old school McDonald's apple pie?

Who's that? Popeye's. Oh, really? Okay. Yes. Popeye's apple pie will remind you of apple pie back in the day at McDonald's okay so I have a Popeye's near and hit up Popeye's regularly uh and here's what I want to criticize Popeye's for though they made their chicken sandwich really good and everyone was

talking about it so then all the other places were like oh now we've got to copy that and try to do the exact same and I had McDonald's chicken sandwich the other day and it was talking about it. So then all the other places were like, oh, now we've got to copy that and try to do the exact same. And I had McDonald's chicken sandwich the other day, and it was like, why did you do this? You can't copy that. You can't match – that's all they do. It's all they do. It's like if you're Michael Vick, right, is the running quarterback.

I don't want Andy Dalton trying to be Michael Vick. Do what you do. No, no. Why did you have to bring it back to Andy Dalton? Because that's the perfect place to end with us, Lawrence. Fast food and Andy Dalton. to be Michael Vick. Do what you do. No, no. Why'd you have to bring it back to Andy Dalton? Because that's the perfect place to end with us, Lawrence. Fast food and Andy Dalton. Unfair. Thanks for doing this, man.

It's always so much fun to catch up with you. Anytime, my brother. Anytime. Follow Lawrence on Twitter at LawrenceWHolmes670, the score, and quarterback aficionado. And we'll do it again soon, man. Take care. You do the same, brother.

I appreciate you.