Purple Insider - a Minnesota Vikings and NFL podcast - A Vikings pre-rookie camp 53-man roster projection (Part 2)

Episode Date: May 9, 2025

Matthew Coller talks about his 53-man roster article and the things we should be looking for throughout rookie minicamp, OTAs and minicamp.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and ...California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Okay, let's bring in intern Clay Petrie here for Clay's Corner. We do this every Monday and Thursday where Clay either gets rankings or draft grades or whatever it is or questions. We're going back to our usual model of questions this evening. So you've put together five and we have 26 minutes till I'm getting out of this chair and going to settle myself on the couch for the next. Well, I was going to say two hours, but if the wolf shoot like they did last time, I might just go for a jog after the first quarter if that happens that way.
Starting point is 00:00:42 But what is up, Clay? How are you? I'm good. I'm good. Let's get these 26 minutes going. All right. Let's fire it up. Yep. We actually had a piece of real news. George Pickens was traded to the Cowboys
Starting point is 00:00:55 for a third and fifth round pick. How do we feel about this move for both teams? Sorry. I was taking a sip of the Diet Coke. I thought you were going to talk longer. I feel I feel great for the fans of Pittsburgh because they got to talk about a trade. And I know there's I know there's jealousy.
Starting point is 00:01:16 I know there's jealousy here that we want more trades. No, I'm just making fun. But something must be really wrong with the relationship between the Steelers and Pickens and I don't know who to assign blame on, but you tend to think that the player was problematic. I also tend to think they've had the worst quarterback play maybe in the entire NFL over the last couple of years. They haven't had someone who can even remotely throw the ball to George Pickens. But if you're him, you really can't go half hearted as often as he does.
Starting point is 00:01:49 The games are on TV. Everybody can see you. And I think that he embarrassed them last year with some of the effort that he made. He is a very, very talented player, and he's going to play in an offense. I mean, Brian Schottenheimer is known for running the ball, but who they're going to run it with. They're going to throw the ball 700 times.
Starting point is 00:02:11 So George Pickens is going to have a ton of opportunities. It has been a long time since you could say, wow, I think Dallas may have come out good on this move they made. This might be the one they have a good roster, but they desperately needed somebody to go along with CD lamb. They didn't give up a whole lot. It just makes you wonder though, if you're not giving up a whole lot, that means Pittsburgh really wanted this man off of their football
Starting point is 00:02:37 team. And if the Pittsburgh Steelers let someone go with Mike Tomlin, usually it doesn't go well after I saw everybody sharing around this statistic about how everybody performed after they left Pittsburgh, like all their receivers, which is crazy. Like, do you guys got a type or what? Uh, I, I think this will be the exception though. I think George Pickens is going to get what he wants, which is the football
Starting point is 00:03:00 with the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah. It's if I was a Steelers fan, I would be so conflicted because part of me, I would be extremely upset. Like you find that you get DK Metcalf and George Pickens. The fan base has been calling for a second receiver for a while now, and they finally got one
Starting point is 00:03:18 and then didn't even get to see him play. So it starts, especially since both of them are like really good deep, and it would really open up their style of play, which is running the football. I think the Steelers offense is such a scary place right now. They lost their leading passer, rusher, and receiver in the offseason. So it's just hard to imagine what
Starting point is 00:03:42 that team is going to look like. But on the other hand, if I'm a Steelers fan, it's like you said, Mike Tomlin and the Steelers clearly have something where they see it, see in George and they're like, we cannot have this in the locker room. So instead of letting them go for nothing next season, might as well go add some draft capital. So it's like, this is like my favorite move that Cowboys have made all off season. It might be the only one that I liked. I was kind of making fun of them the whole season, but then they did this.
Starting point is 00:04:10 So it could work out for them. I was going to say it might be the only move they made this off season period. It felt like they were very quiet. I thought they had a decent draft, but you know, we'll see how any of that plays out. They're over under. I saw today's only seven and a half. I don't agree with that. I think they're gonna be better this year. Last year, everything went wrong for them. Dak getting hurt there.
Starting point is 00:04:31 I mean, Trayvon Diggs getting hurt, Micah Parsons getting hurt. It was one of those calamity years and they couldn't guide through it. But the Vikings have to go there and play this year and facing George Pickens and C.D. Lamb could be pretty tough. Those are two big and fast wide receivers, especially Pickens with his size and his
Starting point is 00:04:49 ability to go up and get it is really impressive. It's just, I mean, when a guy is sent packing by a team that really needs him, then you're always throwing up some serious question marks. But with Pittsburgh for so long, the only way that we have talked about Pittsburgh is classy organization, credibly coached, just the cream of the crop to be able to be over 500 every year, even if they haven't had the best quarterback play and all that stuff. I think they're cracking in that foundation pretty bad over the last couple of years. The Kenny Pickett draft pick when he's really more of a backup
Starting point is 00:05:27 quarterback talent and then it not being able to figure it out after that Russell Wilson was a good try, but that came apart and really should have stuck with Justin Fields. I think that was going better than it had gone at any point with Justin Fields and then they just make the change Wilson. It looks good at first and then collapses at the end because the guys toast and What you're always having now players every year start to rebel and have issues then you do start to go Well, how much of it does come back to what types of guys they're bringing in and also is it connected to Mike Tomlin?
Starting point is 00:06:02 I was shocked the NFL PA survey this year was not nice to them. They were actually quite poor in their ownership and in their coaching grades. That was something I wouldn't have expected. It feels like they are going to be very stubborn about not making a coaching change, but we might be approaching that. And even just hiring Arthur Smith. I mean the most uninspiring type of hire, a guy who thrived when they had a lot of talent in Tennessee, Derek Henry, they could run all the time
Starting point is 00:06:34 and build everything off that, but then try to run the same stuff in Pittsburgh last year. I don't know. I think they are in tough. They're one of those franchises where you go. They're just kind of irrelevant right now, and it certainly doesn't help when you trade a guy who's a borderline star wide receiver to be more relevant. Both of those franchises had been so good and they have the reputations from the way back. But in the recent, it's kind of a bad team trading or a middling
Starting point is 00:06:58 mediocre team trading a middle, you know, whatever I just said, mediocre middling team. Yeah, it seems like the Steelers are almost stuck on the idea of let's just win 10 games instead of let's try and get back to the Superbowl because it seems very just like stuck. Like they're just, they won't, they won't evolve or advance. They're kind of just what they've always been. And I guess we're seeing that that can't just keep working year in and year out. So I mean, this is how it goes though, right? Like when you are post, look at the Indianapolis Colts, like post Andrew Luck, just fumbling in the dark. I mean, they draft
Starting point is 00:07:35 somebody, it doesn't work out. It's same with Pittsburgh. And if you don't have that guy, there's no model, there's no model to win without Ben Ralthesberger. It's if he's great and he's there, you're gonna win and you're gonna be a serious contender. And if he's not, and it's Mason Rudolph or Duck Hodges or Bubbie Brister or Neil O'Donnell, these are old quarterbacks. You're just not gonna get it done.
Starting point is 00:07:59 Although Neil O'Donnell did get them to a Superbowl in 1995. Anyway, that's the cue to move on to your next question. Yep, so well with that George Pickens trade, I feel like it kind of reopens that conversation for who has the best receiver room in the NFL. So I wanted us to rank our top three or top five rooms in the NFL.
Starting point is 00:08:19 Okay, why don't you begin with who you think is the best? Yeah, I feel like this has to be number one. It is the biggest no-brainer for me and it's the Bengals. I think Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson are pretty much interchangeable as the best receiver in the league, but everyone else is kind of like so far below them. And then you have T Higgins also,
Starting point is 00:08:39 who I think he could be a top 10 receiver if he had his own core to kind of lead. So when you have those two guys on the same team, it's hard to really look at anyone else. Yeah. I think, uh, T Higgins re signing there was absolutely enormous for them. It's pretty clear that Joe Burrow held them hostage. Just like, you absolutely have to do this, but he is, he's exceptional. His ability to go up and get it, a possession receiver,
Starting point is 00:09:07 when he runs an outroute and you could throw the ball five yards out of bounds and somehow that's a reception, the way they play off of each other, the wide receiver three, who is what? Now I'm not going to weighing that very heavy for the Cincinnati Bengals, but I am curious who their wide receiver three is. I want to say it could be the kid from Princeton.
Starting point is 00:09:27 He Yossi Voss, Yossi Voss. Yeah. I'm not sure if someone else about her. Do they count? Well, Gosecki Mike Gosecki, are we counting tight ends? I was looking just at receive just receivers. OK. So, you know, this is really based on the top two. But so would be the Vikings, which would be my next pick. I think that the Bengals and Vikings are one in one a and the entire NFL. And there's really nobody else who comes that close unless you've got another nomination. But just for pure wide receivers, those are the cream of the crop number one and two. And if Ty Felton adds something
Starting point is 00:10:03 to the room or Rondale more at something to the room, then they could be number one, because I don't think Cincinnati has as much depth there. Yeah, I agree. I think the Vikings have more depth and could definitely make a bump. But it's like T Higgins is just like, how do you have him as your number two receiver?
Starting point is 00:10:20 It's like unfair almost. So I also had the Vikings at number two. OK, my third team, also had the Vikings at number two. Okay I had the Eagles because I just the one-two punch of the of AJ Brown and Devonta Smith It's just really hard to deal with especially since the run game is so good It just makes it even harder to contain them. So I think They I think AJ Brown is really really slept on and it's kind of the way that office operates at times It's hard to really give him the respect he deserves But I think he's such a beast and pair him up with Devonta Smith and again, it causes problems
Starting point is 00:10:53 I'm sure where AJ Brown gets flustered every year is just the fact that there are other quarterbacks throwing 700 passes and their Receivers are racking up 1,500 yards and and he's not. And well, they won the Super Bowl, so that's okay. But midway through the season, they had to do a fake handshake just to prove to everyone, no, we're good, we're on the same page, which I think is pretty clear that they weren't then at that point. But when you win, nothing else matters.
Starting point is 00:11:20 If they had a quarterback that threw the ball that much, and they didn't have a quarterback who also ran that group would get just as much in terms of the production. I think they're just as talented as the Jefferson and the Addison in the accumulation and Smith, his ability to catch anything and everything in his range. There's another one where I wonder who their wide receiver three is and if there's an impact there because they throw to the tight end a lot.
Starting point is 00:11:47 Dell Scott or what? John Dotson, but yeah, that's it. Did he even is he even still there? Yeah, this is so. Hey, this is part of my argument for draft wide receivers, because even the best wide receiver rooms don't often have a third guy who you can really do something with. And if you do, it's an advantage. I'm a little bit torn here, but since I love drafting wide receivers, when you
Starting point is 00:12:12 don't need to draft wide receivers, I will pick at the number four spot, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Amika Ibuca coming in along with Chris Godwin returns and Mike Evans, another thousand yard wide receiver wide receiving season. They also had McMillan who showed some signs last year. Obviously they're not totally sold on him since they drafted another guy, but that is one heck of a receiving room, I think. Yeah, it feels bad. I put the bucks in like my honorable mentions, and I know they have the talent to be up there, especially adding,
Starting point is 00:12:44 uh, And I know they have the talent to be up there, especially adding a book, but it's just it's I'm still concerned about Godwin and his injuries and they are getting older. So it's I don't know. I put a lot of weight into like the one two. And if Godwin comes back and he's not completely himself, then I can see a little drop off. But yeah, that room is really, really talented. I just always try not to factor in injuries
Starting point is 00:13:08 when we're doing off season stuff, because who knows, right? I mean, Aaron Jones last year, everyone's, oh, he's not gonna last. He's all banged up and everything plays 17 games. Like, I don't know. You just can't really predict these things. So let's see, our list is Cincinnati, Vikings, Eagles, Bucks, and who's number five.
Starting point is 00:13:27 Yeah, five. I'm I'm cool with throwing the Cowboys in there with this new edition. But I'm kind of leaning towards the Rams. I really like Devante Adams and Puka and I think they're just their rooms deeper. I like to to at well as well. And I know Jordan Whittington just got suspended, but he's also another solid player in that room. And the only thing that concerns me is the speed on this team.
Starting point is 00:13:48 Pukka is like just a very physical receiver, does a lot of work after the catch. And Devante is just that route technician. So I'm concerned for their big playability, but I think they could go get six to eight yards pretty much whenever they want. I was going to say the same thing. I mean, if Devante Adams basically takes the role of Cooper Cup, then that duo is good enough to push the needle and they belong there. And there's a few other teams that have kind of a case for being similar along the same lines.
Starting point is 00:14:20 I think Chicago would be a team that you could make the argument if Roman Dunze takes a step forward And then they draft Luther burden, but there's just question marks there So you can't put them ahead of two guys in Nakua and Devante Adams who have done so much That's what I was gonna throw out. There is like who who has a chance to get in this conversation in You know by the end of the year, and I think Chicago is certainly one of those teams The Packers drafted two wide receivers. Washington could possibly be in there and the low key one,
Starting point is 00:14:50 because no one cares about this team, would be the Jacksonville Jagu Wires. I was thinking about them a little bit, too. Brian Thomas and Travis Hunter have a chance to be one of the best wide receiver rooms in the NFL. But as of right now, they are not. And then just just a shout out to a team that seems not only like they are refusing to get wide receivers, but do not ask them about it. The Buffalo Bills.
Starting point is 00:15:17 I can't make any sense of this team not being in on wide receivers this offseason. I know Josh Allen, one MVP. They were within a couple of plays of the Superbowl, but at the same time, at the late parts of that game against Kansas City, they couldn't find anybody. And Khalil Shakir is so much of an underneath guy that they don't have a deeper threat.
Starting point is 00:15:40 I haven't really seen it from Kion Coleman. I just don't think that he's a difference maker yet. I mean, it's possible that he is, but to me, I would be saying the more options I can give my great quarterback. I feel like Kansas City has done this even post Tyree kill. They've tried like Rashid Rice got hurt last year. That happens, but they've, they have invested a lot first round, second round draft picks in that wide receiver room. And that is just not something that Buffalo has done. So they, to me, it might be 30 second on this list.
Starting point is 00:16:10 Aaron brings up a St. Brown and Jameson Williams. Jameson Williams took a big step last year. Big step. But are you, how about this? Are you betting on Jameson? Get it? Cause the betting, the suspension. Yeah, good one.
Starting point is 00:16:24 I like that. Yeah, good one. I like that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, roasted them. I think I think Jameson Williams with the ball in his hands is an absolute freak. I'm not sure I'd put him up there with some of the route running technicians, but they're still good. I mean, if we were adding tight ends and Laporta makes them more complete and so does Jameer Gibbs.
Starting point is 00:16:43 Yeah, I think Jame was more of a product of the scheme and if you could get the ball in his hands, then go ahead. But, and then I think I'm on raw. I'm, I really like him. I was a big fan of his at a college, at a college, but I just never see him on the outside and if you're just a slot receiver, it's hard for me to really rank you that high. That's why I see a bunch of people and have them in like the top five
Starting point is 00:17:07 receiver list. And I personally don't just because I think you got to be able to play everywhere, but he is really good at what he does. But I was just saying he roasts the Vikings every single time he plays them. So it's hard for me to, uh, to knock him, but he's kind of, he's kind of like a Cooper cup in that way where he's a possession wide receiver who gets open underneath and that's he's kind of like a Cooper Cup in that way, where he's a possession wide receiver who gets open underneath. And that's he's just really good at his job.
Starting point is 00:17:27 It's a nice combination that they have there. But I think if they didn't have Leporta and Gibbs coming out of the backfield, they would be a lot more limited. I did like that they kept him Patrick. That was a good move for them. He was kind of a low key extra weapon there. So, OK, I think we got a good list. Did you have anybody else for a horrible room?
Starting point is 00:17:45 Oh, you know who could be who could be a good room? Let me check who is the Broncos. I had anybody. No, I don't know why they might be. I honestly what are the I don't get that one. OK, just when more defense, which I'm not mad at, but no, but I don't get that same with the bill. Like you have Bo Nicks.
Starting point is 00:18:04 I was going to say if the Giants I remember them mad at, but no, but I don't get that. Same with the bill. Like you have Bo Nicks. I was going to say if the Giants, I remember them signing someone, but they kept Darius Slayton, who's kind of just a guy to me. So I think he's like the wide receiver three years late. And it's like, I don't think he could ever do more. But he's like a solid three. I mean, maybe maybe Kansas City could actually be in this. We kind of forget how good Rishi Rice was. And Xavier Worthy was just a rookie last year.
Starting point is 00:18:29 Did they bring in else anybody else? Oh, they drafted Jalen Royals, who everybody here seems to love. Is Rice going to get suspended? I don't know. Hollywood Brown is also he gets hurt every year. And maybe not. No, I think we got the right ones. No. OK, what's what's next? What's next?
Starting point is 00:18:47 How do you and chat? Do you like those? Do you like that? The ranking again was Cincinnati, Minnesota, one a one B, really. And then Philly, Tampa Bay and the Rams. We like that list. If there's somebody we forgot, let us know. Yeah. Well, my next question, PFF put out an article.
Starting point is 00:19:06 It was kind of interesting when players who have a chance to become the best in their positions in 2025. So no play, no Vikings players were listed. But do you think any deserve to be? And also, do you think any Vikings are already there at best position spot? So you mean best player in the whole league? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:27 Well, there's one that's obvious. Right. Justin Jefferson. And then I think Christian Derrassol, we'll see how he comes back from the injury. I think that he's very, very close. He may not be number one, but maybe like number three. That's pretty close. And if, you know, Trent Williams is kind of not as good as he used to be, or at least it looked that way last year.
Starting point is 00:19:48 Derisaw is right there. I think last year, Derisaw was playing some of the best tackle in the entire NFL. He does. As far as defensively, Jonathan Grenard was very close to the best edge rusher in the league last year. Did not get enough credit for that. I thought from the All Pro, it was Van Ginkle that got the all pro.
Starting point is 00:20:08 So I would toss his name out there. But it's hard with in a world where Miles Garrett exists. It's really hard to say that somebody else would be the person that would, you know, anybody but Miles Garrett, because he's just owned that and Max Crosby. But he's not that far away. I don't know if anybody else has that case. I mean, I honestly think Blake Cashman is one of the five best linebackers in the league. They kind of have that at a lot of positions though,
Starting point is 00:20:33 where it's like you're not number one, but Jordan Addison is a top probably 25 wide receiver. And then, you know, Brian O'Neill is a top 10 tackle in the league. He's probably not number one because he's a right tackle Van Ginkle. Granard last year were top 10 players at their position, probably not number one. They kind of have that a lot,
Starting point is 00:20:55 but maybe maybe if Cashman played 17 games, he could be the most valuable linebacker in the league. Yeah, I was thinking about Van Ginkle and I think he's just in a weird spot, because he is an edge rusher. But I feel like he does so much for this team. So maybe if there was just an outside linebacker,
Starting point is 00:21:14 I know they're kind of very similar positions. But I think him and Micah Parsons are really the top two for that guy who could rush the passer, but also step back in coverage. Some of the names that were listed were a lot of like second year players like Jaden Daniels, Bijon or Malik neighbors, Brock Bowers. And I like a lot of those guys. But do we actually think they have a real chance of being
Starting point is 00:21:37 like the best in their position? Twenty five. I really don't think I think Jaden Daniels does. I'm not predicting it. And Ham Darnold mentioned the commanders getting Debo Samuel, but I don't think the receiver room dictates that. I think that's just who he is. Like if Jaden Daniels won the if I told you right now, Jane Dan's won the MVP, you wouldn't be shocked.
Starting point is 00:21:57 I mean, look at the way that that guy played last year. He does. I Brock Bowers is a weird one for me. I need to see more than playing on the worst team in the worst offense where they're just dropping balls off to the tight end all the time. And he's getting 10 yards a reception. I know I've become like the tight end hater guy.
Starting point is 00:22:18 I promise you I'm not. It's just that sometimes these guys put up fantasy numbers and we praise them to the ends of the earth, but are they really that big of difference makers? Is O'Neill the best right tackle in the league? I mean, he's got a case for it. He definitely has a case for it, being the best right tackle.
Starting point is 00:22:36 But I think that the main idea of the article is someone who has a chance to ascend to that. I don't think Brian O'Neill is getting better. He's just retaining him being really really good So unless there were guys like retiring or something, I don't think he's gonna find like a new level I mean Dallas Turner There's a thing about Dallas Turner's like he's not gonna ascend probably to the best outside linebacker But we don't know what he's gonna be. I think with a Brock Bowers
Starting point is 00:23:02 We kind of know exactly what he's gonna be who is Who is the other one? Oh, neighbors could be neighbors could put his name, but who's throwing him the ball? How are you going to see that? I think neighbors could be top five for sure. But then it's, how can you be better than Jefferson or chase? It's right. I don't, right. I don't really know. I feel like the only two guys I had, Jayden Daniels, I think, but it's also like when Lamar Jackson, right. Are you going to be better than Josh Allen? Are you, are these, better than the home? These really make sense. The only, I think the biggest one is probably Jaylen Carter. He was on this line.
Starting point is 00:23:34 And it's, I think it's probably him or Chris Jones, maybe Dexter Lawrence. I'm not sure. So I, and he's also another guy, young rising kind of player. So I think he could probably has the best chance to actually claim the title. Aaron is right. That Lane Johnson is the best right. I mean, that's a Hall of Fame right tackle. So if he retires, then I guess O'Neal would have a chance. But I think that's not like the spirit of what we're getting at here. You guys get hurt.
Starting point is 00:24:01 I do. I think that Jalen Carter is already very close to being there. Yeah. Well, yeah. Other other names on this list like Jack Campbell, Quinion Mitchell, Jared Verse. But yeah, can I just say something about Jared Verse real quick, by the way, because he's become this name where as soon as you say it, all Vikings fans are like, Oh, you could have drafted them.
Starting point is 00:24:27 You fire quasi like. So I had not looked. I mean, I watched him play really well in the playoff game and I had seen the numbers as far as Jared versus pressures and how much he played. And of course he was really good, really good. It's going to be a good player for them for a long time, but I never really took a minute to go look and what his actual stats were because, you know, I mean, I saw him in the game and whatever. Jared verse had four and a half sacks last year.
Starting point is 00:24:53 Can I just say for a second and I know like pressures matter a lot and he had a lot of pressures and everything else, but the way that he's been talked about by Vikings fans in relation to Dallas Turner like Dallas Turner had three and he had four and a half and he played way more than Dallas Turner did. And we act like it's just they've passed up on Lawrence Taylor mixed with Reggie White mixed with Bruce Smith mixed with Micah Parsons. And it's like maybe we could just let this play out a little bit for Dallas
Starting point is 00:25:23 Turner before we decide that Jared versus the best player of all time. And Dallas Turner doesn't deserve a jersey. So let's I just I didn't even realize I I I went back and looked. I was like, no way. I thought he would have had like eight the way that everybody talks. And I'm not saying he wasn't good. I'm just saying, like, come on. Yeah, I think he led the league in pressures.
Starting point is 00:25:45 And then he was like. One of only like a handful of players to have like an 80 plus grade in run defense and pass rush, so that's probably where a lot of it goes. But it's again, that was a young player. Yeah, but Dallas Turner is a young player. It's not and it's not like verse had 10 sacks. He didn't do anything like we've never seen before. So I don't just I don't.
Starting point is 00:26:11 I don't at all mean to say that. And Ham Darnold is right. Oh, Penne Soule is also the best right. Yeah. Lane Johnson, Penne Soule. Yeah, those guys probably have the crowd. But Ham Darnold is right. The verse came in as a 24 year old. That's different.
Starting point is 00:26:26 And I'm not. I'm aware that he had all those sacks or all those pressures. And he probably also got it looks like kind of screwed on a couple sacks, at least by PFFs metrics. They gave him some more credit. He played 800 snaps though. And you're going to get opportunities to get pressures when you get 800 snaps. I'm not down on him.
Starting point is 00:26:46 I think he was a really excellent player. I just wanted to pump the brakes on how could you possibly make this huge mistake? Like let's get a year to first and then we'll go from there. 27 months older. That's some good math from Ned. So let's let Dallas Turner play for 27 more months and then we'll decide if that pick was OK.
Starting point is 00:27:06 And you know, something else just real quick that drives me crazy is if a player you draft turns out to be good, but the player drafted next at his position is great. That's like, oh, they blew it. Oh, my gosh. What were you thinking? It's like, what if he's good for your team? I don't know. Anyway, let's just move on. Move on. Yep.
Starting point is 00:27:25 So I have two more, but we're running out of time. So I'll cut it to just look if an NBA game tips off when it says it's going to tip off the next time will be the first. So I think we have at least probably five more minutes. All right. Let's go for the fun one because I saw a highlight video recently. I was scrolling through Twitter and it was a Leonard for net when he was on the Jaguars and he was balling and I'm like, what happened to this guy?
Starting point is 00:27:48 So it got me thinking, who are some of your favorite players who balled out for a year or two and then just went ghost? It's, it is kind of crazy because he also, you want to talk about drafting. Hold on real quick. This isn't a side, but you want to talk about crazy
Starting point is 00:28:05 insane draft pick what year what the year did he come out was it 2018 I think it was 18 right Leonard for net or is it 17 oh 17 it was 17 right so Leonard for that comes out 2017 as the fourth overall pick for the Jaguars and. At my home's pretty crazy, but also Christian McCaffrey. I mean, even Hassan Reddick, like Marlon Humphrey, Jonathan Allen. This is a great draft in 2017 for first rounders, including the greatest quarterback of a generation. Marshawn Latimore is mixed in and they took Lenny Fournette. Also the 49ers took Solomon Thomas. So even some franchises that you think are the
Starting point is 00:28:56 smartest, like the 49ers, even they passed up on the best quarterback of a generation. Anyway, that was not your question. As a Madden player from 1994 through about 2012, I would say Peyton Hillis is the name that comes to mind right away for the one year wonders because Peyton Hillis had the crazy face, Max. They did the fan vote. He had the neck roll and he was really fun. And then I think if I'm not mistaken, there was he like got really high
Starting point is 00:29:33 on himself and was trying to demand more money. And the Browns were like, you're not actually that great. And then he just sort of made his way out of the league. And I don't think he played past, like, maybe two years after he was on the Madden cover. That was insane. Yeah. Am I looking at the right pay in Hillis?
Starting point is 00:29:53 Apparently he played for a little bit. Did he? Yeah. So I thought the Browns here was honestly his first year. This is my first time looking at his like stat sheet. Oh, no. Yeah. He had been. I actually you're right. He did. I have zero recollection of New York Giants. Peyton Hillis. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:11 I didn't know that was a thing. Three point four yards per carry. Yeah. I knew about the Cleveland and the Kansas City. Everything else was kind of a blur. Yeah. I fool, man. Seven games in 2013. OK. Well, that's that to me is the most obvious answer. But another one would be RG three.
Starting point is 00:30:32 That first year was so incredibly exciting. And then the injury happens. And that was pretty much it. As far as wide receivers go, there was a guy named Michael Clayton who came into the league and was just fantastic 80 catches big guy and I don't know what happened the sort of disappeared Sydney Rice would be one of those for sure that year with farve
Starting point is 00:30:54 And that was it and then there was just no more for Michael Clayton kind of never happened again after that Yeah, we're kind of on the same wavelength here I got RG 3 just cuz when he came out of Baylor with a white sleeve and the white glove, it made everybody want to do that, even if you weren't a quarterback. And that team was just like pretty fun to watch with like Pierre Garçon, Trent Williams, London Fletcher, and then actually another guy who kind of belongs on this list, Alfred, Alfred Morris.
Starting point is 00:31:22 Oh, yeah. He had a lot of running backs. There's a lot of running backs. Yeah. The deep fantasy players would tell you 53 guys. Steve Slayton that goes into this like there's a million guys who showed up for one year were great and then never to be heard from again. Yeah. One of my favorites was Toro Pryor. Just because when I was growing up, I played quarterback
Starting point is 00:31:43 and then I transitioned to receiver. So seeing him in that 2016 season do that in the NFL and then have like a thousand yards, I was like, okay, this is pretty cool. And he had some big plays too. So was it just like boring stuff out there? So yeah, it was it was pretty fun to watch him. I wonder if somebody because Justin Fields still plays quarterback for a team. If somebody even just a few years ago would have taken more time with Terrell Pryor, if it could have worked out because he was a very explosive athlete.
Starting point is 00:32:12 So anyway, well, now it is time for basketball. So great stuff. Very good. Clay's Corner Clay Petri, our intern from the University of Pennsylvania. Thank you, sir. I will see you on Monday. That. Yep. Thank you. Thank you. Football. I will see you on Monday. Yep, thank you. Thank you. Football. There you go. OK, it's getting better. That wasn't bad.
Starting point is 00:32:31 All right. Well, basketball time. I wish the best of luck to the Wolves in making their three point shots this evening. Thanks, everybody, for watching. And tomorrow, maybe live show breaking down takeaways from rookie mini Camp. We'll see. Depends on if I actually have enough. Maybe I'll do something else if I don't.
Starting point is 00:32:48 If I've only got a couple, but we'll see. But that's what I'll be doing tomorrow is going out there for rookie mini camp. So thanks everybody for jumping on, asking good questions, having a lot of fun, and we'll talk to you all very soon. Basketball and football.

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