Purple Insider - a Minnesota Vikings and NFL podcast - Defector's Drew Magary answers your Vikings questions (Part 2)

Episode Date: March 26, 2026

Matthew Coller is joined live by Defector's Drew Magary to answer the most pressing Minnesota Vikings questions. What are the Vikings going to do in the NFL Draft? How is Kyler Murray expected to perform? Is there still a chance JJ McCarthy can become QB1? What's next for the Vikings at general manager? That and more... The Purple Insider podcast is brought to you by FanDuel. Also, check out our sponsor HIMS at https://hims.com/purpleinsider Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

I am now involved in watching Succession. So you should all be proud of me that I have done something else other than just football a little bit enough. But I'm slowly working my way through it. It's like a summer goal to be able to finish it. I referenced it a few times because I was aware of what it was about in the story. But I was like, you know, I should I should see this. And the wife wanted to watch it as well. So let's let's grab a few more.

If you got a few more questions to throw my way, go ahead and do it. Let's see. Brian says it's going to be the exact same result as last season. Get ready to learn Bill Murray and Groundhogs Day. I don't know about that. I think it will be different. And, oh, man, am I just in need of entertainment from the Minnesota Vikings? Because when you think about it's been in my mind a lot now that this is the

10 years of me covering the Minnesota Vikings because I got here in 2016 the day that Teddy got hurt was when I moved here and a lot of the seasons have been what you're describing is Groundhog's Day. And if we go through them, I mean, 2016 is a middling season

where you missed the playoffs. 2017's incredible. 18, middling. 19 is okay. And they win a playoff game, which is more than they've done recently, but was it a great season? I remember it being a slog of a season in 2019, even though they were a good team. They didn't have a hard schedule.

Every big game they played, they lost. No one really believed in them. And then there was a flicker of a playoff win that went out in the first quarter against the San Francisco 49ers, or at least by the end of the first half, we knew that that wasn't happening. 2020 is middling. 2021 is middling. 22 is a very exciting and interesting season.

that I think everybody knew the whole way wasn't that great. It was more like a nine or ten win team. Then after that, it's another middling season. They're four and four. Kirk gets hurt. They stumble to the end. 2024, very exciting. Ends in awful fashion.

And then last year's another middling season. So out of 10, how many of that is just years that were kind of forgettable and had their moments, but you miss the playoffs by a game or two. You don't draft that high. I think is it right that the entire time I've covered the Vikings, the only top 10 pick is J.J. McCarthy. I mean, and they had to trade up to get him. So they've never even been that bad to the point where they're drafting somebody that is the mega star next great player. It's always, well, you know, hey, they're 12th.

And then they trade back to 32nd. And then they draft a guy that doesn't work out. Or it's, well, hey, they're 18th. And they have to hope and dream. they've drafted some great players in Darrison and Justin Jefferson, of course, the generational wide receiver. But even then with Jefferson, I mean, they weren't drafting that high to get him. And the odds of getting adjusted Jefferson at that point are very, very low.

And you could make an argument that Jefferson being so good costs them probably getting those top 10 picks and resetting a quarterback and all those things because he was so freaking good. In 2020, if they don't have Justin Jefferson, how many games do they win? Like four, three, they would have been horrific that year. But he drags them to a few wins. They get to stay in the middle. Mike Zimmer keeps his job and they kept doing the same Groundhog Day thing. So it does feel that way with Kyler Murray.

But the only reason that I think it has the potential to be different is just the talent that this guy has. When you go back through his history, the Heisman trophy, the start to his career. not his rookie year, but 2020, 2021, the stretches where he is just downright fantastic, at least open the door for this being different. And I know that people have said this and National writer Matt Verdeam on the show last night said, well, hey, you know, the Cardinals got rid of him for a reason. And I get that. But the same thing goes for somebody like Sam Darnold where, yeah, the Jets and the Panthers

got rid of him for a reason. But even when you went through his Panthers and Jets careers and he was much, much worse than Kyler Murray's been, there's stretches. You can see it. You just can't see it consistently all the way through a season. And that's where with Kyler Murray, how do you make that happen? Can Justin Jefferson make that happen? And can the schedule make that happen, which I think also played into 2022 and 2024,

where they maybe didn't have the best schedules. Can home games make that happen? Can Kevin O'Connell's coaching? Can an improved run game? Can blocking? Can defense make that happen? Because I wrote today over at Purple Insider dot football about Kyler Murray's supporting cast through his career.

A career. And one thing that stuck out to me was that the Cardinals are nowhere close defensively. and then for their receiving grades by PFF during his career, really only two seasons where they were decent in terms of receiving grade, where the Vikings, because of Jefferson, because of Addison and Thielen previously, going back, not last year, but going back for that, I mean, the Vikings receiving grades have been consistently in the top 10, if not the top five.

That's different. So I did the averages of like, what have the Vikings been rated by PFF since KOC got here? What about Kyler's career since 2020? Just kind of threw out the rookie season. And it was like 17th was the average for receiving grade for Arizona. And the Vikings, their only year that was bad was last year. And it's still worked out to being in the ballpark of top 10 on average.

So they have the capability to be one of the best groups receiving wise. They have the capability to be one of the best defenses. And this is how you talk yourself into Kyler Murray being not Groundhog Day. And I also think last year they had a really tough schedule. I mean, they had to go out to the Rams. They had to play the two games overseas. I thought that it was actually a hard schedule last year that played into their failure. They had to play Green Bay with Micah Parsons, not without Micah Parsons, which might have made somewhat of a difference for them.

It wasn't the easiest. And also the order of operations mattered too. Like they started out with a couple of tough losses. early on. What if they had played, I don't know, a Washington team that turned out to be really bad earlier in the year. They could have got them back on track or something. So it was a tough division.

Every team was good in the division. Nobody fell off the side of the earth. All of these things play into whether something works or not. I don't guarantee that the Vikings are going to be, you know, an incredible team this year and win 14 games. But I do think that the upside of this team. team with good health, with a schedule that looks favorable, with a lot more, you know, with one more home game than away game. It does line up. And I also think that Jefferson and Murray line up in terms of their talents. You know, I know that Jefferson is a downfield wide receiver,

but he's also an everything wide receiver. He didn't just catch downfield passes from Kirk Cousins, who had a reputation for not throwing into the tightest windows, but being very, very accurate and timely with his footwork. So when you start to add all those things up, it was not that long ago that Justin Jefferson went for 1,800 yards and was the offensive player of the year. Like, that's still in there. If Kyler Murray gets that back with Jefferson, then I think they are a 11 or 12 win potential team.

That is a high bar to set. And I don't think it's the most likely thing that will happen. but at very least him showing up here, Kyler Murray, gives them a chance for that to happen. If it was Gino Smith, if it was Kirk, if it was Rogers,

I saw Joe Flacco, did you guys see Joe Flacco today? Joe Flacko was talking about how pissed off he is that nobody signed him to be there QB1. It's like, what? You've been okay, but really?

Like 40-something years old? It's like an odd thing to, I took me. by surprise, but I thought he must be happy with being a backup quarterback. And then he's like raging out about having to be a backup. Like, dude, didn't you like retire semi a couple of years ago and then got comeback player of the year? A weird arc for that guy.

But if he had been the starter, you'd be pretty down on that possibility. And with JJ, we would have no idea what it was going to be. With Murray, I think you can, based on his history, predict what it could look like in the best case scenario. Son of a beavers, do you think the Vikings' lack of science? signing a veteran center will bite them in the rear, much like when KOCKM trusted JJ and did not have a backup quarterback until late. So I think that Blake Brandel can be okay at center.

I do think that they should try to draft one if they can in the third round to develop. Michael Juergens looks like to me a guy who is a career backup center, which is a good role to have and you always need one, but not somebody that they're looking at is, wow man if he takes that big next step then he's going to be great but with brandle the number one thing to me that i would say is a reason it could work is blake brandle and what he knows what he knows is everything for kos's offense they like to use the term where the bones are buried and what that means is every single detail and how it's supposed to work not just the basics

the, you know, the AI summation of the offense, but like every single 400 level college course PhD on Kevin O'Connell's offense. And it's clear how much O'Connell trusts him over the years, not just that he was playing center last year, but that they started him for 17 games at Guard. And well, I think that at Guard, he got exposed eventually, probably wore down. And I know they talked about him battling through some things.

injury-wise over a 17-game season. That's pretty tough to do when you've never played a 17-game season before. But now he's done that. He started a full season. He's played half a year at center and was okay. He was reasonable at center. Not when he played Jalen Carter. And I'm sure that when he plays the best of the best,

he's not going to be flawless. But it's not that part about center that's so important. It's really, can he leave the offense? And can he have Kyler Murray trust him with the protections and stuff like that because I do think at times I've seen with Murray and maybe it's not his fault or maybe it was his center. I don't know. But there were probably too many protection issues in 2025 when I watched back. And I did wonder if, you know, maybe he didn't see some stuff at the line of scrimmage and could have used a better center. I'm not 100% sure about like that

operation and who was in charge and everything else. But Brandl did a good job with all of that as the center. And that to me is the most important thing. for right now. And, you know, people have brought up like, well, he is six, seven. Can Kyler throw over him? He, I think he can. Yeah. He's had lots of tall offensive linemen. If there was somebody a lot better, I would have said, go get that person. But a slightly below average guy who knows everything about your offense is probably better than an average guy who doesn't know your offense at all and has to learn it from day one. And we're not talking about, you know, we're not talking about Ryan Kelly, who's a genius who could just come in and learn everything and know it.

We're talking about the Luke Fortners of the world who are kind of just guys or Lloyd Cushenberry or whatever. I don't think there was a huge upgrade to be made there. But you're not going to be perfect at every position. I mean, that's just kind of how it goes. How well do you manage your weak spots is an important thing in the NFL too. Matthews says if you had to leave one position unaddressed in the draft. Sorry, I didn't get to that question with Drew, kind of ran out of time there. And we bandied about early in the show, maybe more than we should have to get to the maximum number of questions.

So I apologize for that, Matt. But in terms of leaving a question unaddressed, like a position unaddressed in the draft, you're right. Because when we go down the number of needs, you can't just fill every single one of them with four draft picks in the first two days where you expect to be able to needs to some extent, especially in the first and second round, but maybe even in the third if you kind of get lucky there. I think, you know, defensive tackle seems like they've been able to paste and glue it together in the past.

They could probably get away with that. The hard one is that running back is not an answer for me for this. I think they absolutely have to draft someone at running back, but it's not a good running back class and drafting running backs is not always the best allocation of resources. I don't think they can get away with at this moment not drafting a safety. I think they have to draft a safety. Corner might be one that they could not draft and be okay because they have at least their two starters that are solid and then another guy in James Pierre that they signed.

So there's a little bit of depth there. But they actually lucked out last year. Byron Murphy and Isaiah Rogers, they missed like no time last season. If they were to have a rash of injuries in the secondary, they would be signing people off of the UFL. So, gosh, it's a good question. Center might be the one that they can leave off and plan to draft in the future. That might be one just because they have two guys that know the offense and can play.

It's not like you're needing to draft that to play right away, right away. Even if they were going to draft a Connor Lou or a Jake Slaughter or Sam Hacked, you'd be looking down the road much more. that there's this is the most wide open because every year I put together a little purple insider draft guide kind of do it my way of like here's why a guy could fit here's his key stats and everything and usually I put together like 50 players or 40 players or something that I think the Vikings could draft in the first two days I'm going through my list I'm like I got all these positions I got all these players there's so many different options for this team you're right they're going to have to leave somebody off I don't know what the best

one is. I mean, corner you could get by. I don't know if you could get by with nothing and running back or safety or even, I think the wide receiver position is important too, that that wide receiver three spot matters. Dumer K.O. for the entire roster, I have 46 names without Harrison Smith that I would at least be hesitant to cut. Biggest needs wide receiver corner fullback. Other needs offensive line, defensive line, line backer. Do you have an in progress, 53, man roster. I have a depth chart that I made the other day and that I was working through the biggest questions on the depth chart. And to your point, yeah, I mean, there's additions that have to be made here still. And I think maybe some post mini camp or in mini camp type of additions that

generally get made after June 1st or, you know, whatever, stuff like that. We've seen that plenty of times before, those late ads and there's going to be a draft class. But if I was to name the biggest, biggest needs and try to order them, it does feel like defensive tackle is probably number one if you're not talking center, where you're, let's just say, you're fine with Blake Brandl and you're going to leave it at that. Jalen Redmond was excellent. Levi Drake Rodriguez, I think, can play, can play 500 snaps. You'd like to see some progress from him.

Ty Ingram Dawkins, I'm very interested in where he can go after some of the things that he showed. But there's a severe lack of experience there. I mean, Jalen Redmond has one year. Levi Drake Rodriguez has played for one year. Ingram Dawkins and Elijah Williams have played very little in the NFL, only a handful of snaps combined. I think you need a veteran defensive tackle or if it's not a veteran, then you need to draft Kayla Banks and get the biggest freak that you could possibly. get to throw in there because even if they're not perfect right away, they're at least freaky enough to have a chance to be a difference maker.

So I think that that position is probably up there at the top for me, but do you spend a first rounder right now? I don't know. Linebacker is a sneaky position for sure where it's settled for the first two spots, but then after that and into the future, where do you go? Safety, the funny thing about that is I view it as a very, very important position that they can't leave off in the draft, but they do have. have guys. They do have guys that have played in games in Brian Flores' defense that they could fill

that out. And maybe if they draft a corner, you bump Murphy Jr. inside and that's how you manage it. There's a lot of different ways this could go, man. Son of Beavers, what would you prefer position-wise for a second round pick? Safety or defensive tackle. That's a good one because safety, I think you could get a better prospect. If someone is a great defensive tackle prospect, they are, playing or they're being picked high and they're playing right away and like that's that that's what they do with those defensive tackles like those freaks they go off very very quickly but safeties don't always safeties sometimes who is it Xavier watts ended up as a third round draft pick last year and was an immediate playmaker and was good and a lot of people had him as a

late day one or day two type of player and he ends up going in the third round safeties are available unless, you know, they're the top guy, but even the top guys will often drop. So in a draft like this where there might be four or five good safeties, you know that people are going for the higher positions in terms of positional value, and they'll let an AJ Halsey or something from LSU drop into the second round. So I think, you know, in the second round, you could get if there's a lot of good defensive tackles, it's Peter Woods and it's Caleb Banks, but if those guys go out quickly, then, you know,

you're just not getting a good second rounder who is a run stuffer. That's going to be a different level of prospect. I hope it makes sense what I'm saying. Like, if you get a second round defensive tackle, yes, there have been some that have succeeded and been really good. It's not impossible. But it feels like the quality of prospect is going to be better at safety because the top DTs go off very high.

That's what I mean to say. Do you think we carry a fullback? Ah, I hope so. I don't know, though. I don't know. They haven't signed one yet. They might have maybe a competition in camp or pick somebody up. There's not that many guys.

There's not that many people who play fullback anymore. I'd like to see them have a fullback on the roster. It feels like if they're going to have Miami influence here that they should. But it's also a position where sometimes you could just get a guy in undrafted free agency and throw them in there. And, you know, if he clicks, high intelligence, high toughness, then it'll work. That's how it was with CJ Ham.

Like, CJ was a running back and then just became a fullback. And then it worked pretty quickly for CJ Ham. So maybe they'll do that. Maybe they've got their eyes on somebody already. Purple something. Purplelet or Oregon safety. You mean Dylan Thineman. He's the one that's been mocked to them many, many times by almost everybody.

and it makes a lot of sense to me to take him, but I do go back to the positional value is a little bit tricky here. Now, you could make an argument that if he's going to be a dynamic player, so he's going to play in the nickel, he's going to play in the box, he's going to play deep, that that is worth more than your traditional type of safety that's either one of the other, either a box or either a deep safety. If he could play nickel corner, that that brings more value to the defense than just playing safety.

But I'm writing an article and I was working on this today and looking through it. And the numbers when you start to break them down are really crazy when it comes to price tags for certain players and what they're worth. And this goes back to the purple insider always and forever, just draft a wide receiver. But when we look at what Jalen Naylor got versus what you could get in free agency for that same money at the safety position. So Jalen Naylor gets $11.6 million. You could go into free agency with $11 million and get one of the best

safeties in free agency with that. And that's a reason to not draft a safety high is because usually they're available in free agency. And there were several that went off the board for $7, $8 million. Jalen Hawkins comes to mind from the Patriots who played really well last year on a team that went to the Super Bowl. and the guy made like $6 million. Jaquan Brisker, we've seen him play against the Vikings a number of times.

Good player. Now, he's not an elite player, but he's a good player. And even the elite players, this is the crazy thing. If you hit on a superstar, Dylan Thineman, what that's worth versus the surplus value versus the top paid safety. The top paid safety is like $21 million. The top paid edge rusher is $45 million. If you got the best edge rusher at number 18 or the best wide receiver, it's 40 million bucks. It's twice as much as a safety.

So there's a lot of safeties who are available. They're easier to replace. But then again, on the other side of that coin, this defense specifically really needs that position. But I think you have to start considering when there's these huge gaps between what the NFL is paying these guys and what it's worth and how hard they are to get. I mean, George Carr leftist, who I don't think is a very good player. I mean, he's still made huge money in free agency.

Adafé always been pretty good, but his own team kind of gave up a little early on him. And he got, what, $25 million a year. Jalen Phillips has never had 10 sacks in a season. He got 30. I mean, that's crazy, right? Jalen Phillips, who's a good player, but, you know, maybe not great, ends up getting 10 million more than the highest paid safety. So I'm, I mean, I'm kind of in favor of drafting one of those big, big, big pay positions for that reason.

But I think he'd be a great fit. Thineman. I think he would be somebody that they could train to take on the entire defense and call the entire defense like Harrison Smith. Dumer K.O. is Caden McDonald worth taking in the first round. I say absolutely not. And this is with an understanding that I think he's pretty. young. He is huge. He's very, very strong. And it would be effective. And I think the teams hate to play against somebody like that. I mean, if you have this massive run stuffer who can throw bodies

around, can move people up there for blitzing lanes, I've always been an enormous fan of the nose tackle. Pat Williams and, you know, how he played and Ted Washington and your Gilbert Browns and those guys and Belichick defenses have often thrived when they have a Danny Shelton or an Allen Branch or guys like that. I saw Lindvald Joseph and what he was able to do here and he was known as much more of a run stuffer than turned into kind of a pass rushing threat. So I'm not against those guys. I just think that there's a lot of those guys.

And unless you turn into the monster freak, unless you are a totally dominant player who takes over games like a Vita Veyer. or a Linvall Joseph, you can find those anywhere. I mean, those don't cost much at all in free agency. And the gap, unless the gap is huge, if you have Linvall in his prime or Pat Williams in his prime, oh my gosh, yeah, I'd spend a first round pick on that.

But what's the odds of that? I mean, last year, the Lions take Ty Leak Williams. He's okay. Jordan Davis eventually became good for the Philadelphia Eagles, but up until last year was not playing that many snaps. And it was the same sort of thing. It's always, well, this guy's different. This is the different one.

He's the one that's going to make the real impact. And then you end up with, I don't know, Brent Urban or something, some random run stuffer putting up the same kind of performances. So, uh, yeah, I don't know. That one's a hard one for me. Really like the player, but you got to be,

you got to be amazing. That's the thing with a number of different positions in the first round. Safety, you better be amazing. Linebacker. You better be amazing. You can't just be okay. because if you're just okay as a receiver in the first round, you're worth it. Okay, receivers are making $25 million.

Okay, receivers are hard to find. Okay, run stuffing nose tackles are not. Perplet, Harry for player coach would be a good idea. I mean, I think he could do it. I also don't think, well, he's already has been basically a player coach. but in terms of the coaching side of it, I don't know if that's what he wants to do or not. I'm sure he'd be very good at it if he is going to walk away.

I'm just wondering when we're going to find out. Like, is he, I know he was playing flag football recently. Is he going to make his decision soon? It feels like the longer we go on, the more likely it is that he does not play. But also, he's a guy that could certainly show up in the last day before training camp

and say, Harry's back and he doesn't have to learn a thing about the defense. So maybe he just wants to spend the spring and summer with his family and then make a call at the end of the year. I'm a little bit on the hesitant side of that. I think he's really important. And I thought last year he was really good, really good at the end of the season. That to me was a great way to go out. But it might be enticing to him that Kyler Murray's the quarterback.

He's gone against him. He knows he's good. He's seen him put up 400 yards against his team before. And, man, I was in reviewing 2024 for Kyler Murray, there's a really crazy part of that. their season where they might have made the playoffs, if not for the Vikings beating them by one point because Jonathan Gannon decides not to go for a fourth down instead kicks a field goal to go up six and Darnold leads a game-winning drive. And then they had, it was very weird.

They had a game against Seattle, then played the Vikings, then played Seattle again. And Seattle had most of this defense and they just crunched Arizona's offense in those two games and their season kind of unraveled at that point. But I don't know what the point of that was. With Kyler Murray, oh, I know that Harry's played against him. Like, he knows how good he is. He knows what that talent is. And there might be something enticing about, well, can we make it one more year?

Because now there's a quarterback that can be really good. Potentially. Super Rod says, what wide receiver is worth drafting at 18? I'm on board with drafting a wide receiver if there are no trade down partners. I mean, so we did this on the Chris Tripasso draft show yesterday where we did a draft sim and tried to figure that out. Mackay Lemon is the guy that if he drops, I think that you would go with that. It doesn't look like Carnell Tate is going to drop. You never really know, but he's being mocked in the top 10.

Usually the mock draft world is able to lock in the top 10 pretty well. after that, I still think that there's other guys that are worth drafting in the top 10. Let me run a quick, let me run a quick sim here and see what comes up. Hold on, we'll get that called up. There we go. Let's run a quick draft sim and see who might be there wide receiver wise at number 18. If it's not Mackay Lemon. Well, this one has Carnell Tate showing up at 18.

It's all possible. Jordan Tyson is an interesting one. had a really great season, 61 catches, maybe even a little better, 2024, reception-wise, graded extremely well. I haven't seen a lot of him, but his grade versus man coverage is phenomenal.

Omar Cooper is the one that I am a little bit on the skeptical side of, just because yards after catch merchants always get me a little bit nervous, but man, he graded so well, put up huge numbers, showed his athleticism. Denzel Boston, is probably the one I like the most, has an extremely high grade, was effective downfield,

graded incredibly well with contested catches, barely dropped the football. I was making like an Adam Thielen kind of comp. He's a smooth route runner for a guy that big. Concepcion, I would not draft at 18. I don't think. He scares me a little bit with the drops. I have a tough time with that. I would prefer probably Denzel Boston.

That's who I would say. I mean, if it's 18, it's probably Boston for me. is my favorite one out of that group and I think is a great potential fit for them. But, I mean, any of those guys at 18 are justifiable. Considering a number two wide receiver in the NFL is $30 million. We've seen that from T. Higgins. We've seen that from Alec Pierce. $25 to $30 million is what it costs.

That's more than most positions. It's more than any linebacker. It's more than any safety. it's more than all of like four or five cornerbacks in the NFL for a number two wide receiver. So drafting one there and when you're not sure, I'm calling him number two because I'm not sure about Addison's career. But even if even if you drafted a Denzel Boston, he was wide receiver three.

And even if he caught 35 or 40 passes, that's still big for your offense right away because they've had Jalen Naylor there. We've seen the impact of that. but a first rounder could be even better. And then if you like them a lot, you don't have to extend Jordan Addison long term. So I'm, that argument is getting made a million times for me.

But Boston at this moment, unless someone's got a good argument, is probably my favorite for the Vikings. Son of Beavers, if we end up trading down, what's the farthest you'd be okay trading down for the Vikings, you know, getting a third and a fifth back? Okay.

So if they're moving down, and they could get a third and a fifth. I'd go like 25. I would not want to move out of the top 25. That's where I think this is a little bit of analytics and a little bit of vibes. Sort of mush together here. The top 10 in terms of the value they produce over their careers

blows away all the rest of the draft. So if you could draft in the top 10, by far you're talking about your Hall of Famers, your megastars, that's where a lot of them come from. 10 to 20, I think, has a lot of very, very good talent in it. It's a lot of hit or miss. If you didn't make the top 10, there's a reason for that.

But sometimes you end up with Justin Jefferson. Like, there are superstars still from 10 to 20. And historically, you'll find that what Michael Parsons was 12th. There's a lot of good guys in that range. Then I think that there's a pretty steep falloff in that late first round, whether it depends on the draft. It's 20, is it 25? in this draft, I think it's strong in the back end of the first,

but I still think there's usually this big drop off. And then it's more like second round picks start kind of there. And you'll hear this from time to time. You know, people will say, well, there's only 16 true first round graded players. Well, you got to grade, you know, you got to take 32 in the first round. But I think that's often true that you get into really flawed players in the back end of the first round or big swings and hopes and dreams. Feels like every edge rusher who gets taken in the back end of the first round

takes years or never works out, that kind of thing or there's major injury issues or whatever. That was on draft night, 2022. I kind of brought this same thing up with Lewis Seen, whereas like, that's too far for me. I don't want to, if I'm the Vikings, I don't want to get into everything is gone from the first round. So stay 24, 25, if you could pick up,

some extra draft capital. But what it really comes down to is who's on the board. So if you look at like a draft sim, you'll probably, you'll find this where you'll go to your draft sim and you'll go, all right, who's available? And there's four guys that you like. And if that's the case, well, move down three spots if you can, right? If there's four guys that you'd be completely comfortable taking, just make sure. Or these teams have good intel.

So they're going to know, like who might take what and what teams are targeting. what so maybe you can move down a little bit farther, but make sure it's one guy that you have similarly graded to 18 or just take the guy that you want. Dumer K.L. What's the optimal timeline for drafting first round wide receivers? Would it be draft one after Addison's fifth year option? Definitely more risky. Well, my answer with the way things have gone with wide receivers and the way that they elevate quarterbacks and the way that you can rotate them in. This is the difference from some other positions. you're not rotating centers, so you don't draft a center until you need one.

Same with left tackle or right tackle. Had a back and forth with somebody on social media. Good conversation. Imagine that about drafting a right tackle. And his argument was like, hey, I mean, if you don't want to extend Brian O'Neill because of the age and injury history, do it now because you don't draft for immediate need. You draft for the future and tackle is unbelievably important, et cetera, and guys get hurt, so he'll probably end up playing.

I think that's a very compelling argument for tackle. But there's another side of the argument is, hey, draft a tackle when you need a tackle. Because only one guy can play. Wide receiver is not like that. Same with edge rusher. Same with defensive tackle. If you play a first round wide receiver, if you draft him this year, which I don't think they'll do, but I'll always defend it.

If you drafted Jordan Tyson this year and he's wide receiver three and he gives you 450 snaps and 38 catches for 500 yards, that's a great valuable season right there. Because the next guy on the depth chart, well, we don't know what Ty Felton's going to be, but the next guy is Ty Felton. The next guy is Miles Price. I mean, getting that much production from a number three wide receiver

is worth it in year one. And then you can make decisions based on what you see, rather than drafting, when they drafted Addison, they had to do it with Thiel and, leaving. It was like, well, you've got to take a wide receiver. It worked. And the same with Jefferson. It worked. But if it doesn't, you get Laquan Treadwell. And what if Thelan and Diggs hadn't worked out? You would have had Treadwell and just been up a river, right? Which is kind of what happened with Arizona when, you know, they lost DeAndre Hopkins and Larry Fitzgerald retires. And then they

draft Marvin Harrison. And it's got to work. And it didn't work. And then you end up with what they ended up with, which was just not a great offense because Marvin Harrison, Jr. just was not good or right away. He might eventually be, but he was not good. You don't want to be backed into a spot where, okay, we're drafting this wide receiver out of absolute desperate need and it has to work or our offenses in trouble. It's much better to draft one before that happens. I mean, really, like with Dallas Turner, there's a lot of critique deserved for what they paid for Dallas Turner. But when they drafted Dallas Turner was a great idea because it didn't all have to be on Dallas Turner. It was you're going to have Grenard and Van Ginkle and then he can develop and by year three,

which is usually when pass rushers start to hit their peak by year three, then you're, you know, Van Ginkle is going to be gone or whatever, Grenard, that kind of, that's the initial plan, but this guy can develop and rotate in and whatever else. and if they had drafted Dallas Turner at 23, which or whatever, right, 23, I think was the original pick and they moved up. If they hadn't moved up and they just took him with their original pick, I know they moved up with the Texans, but for Turner specifically, they had to move up higher. I think we would all be more fine with what happened over these last two years. We'd be like, okay, this is good. This is good progress from him and he's on the right path.

it really was connected to how much they gave up. But that just sort of shows you that these key positions, quarterback, receiver, edge rusher that stand the tower over all the other positions in terms of pay, draft them before you need them, not when you need them. Planet Yevin, it would be nice to have a scout that can spot diamonds in the rough. The thing about the scouting department is they scout hundreds of players. They might be, they might be identifying all. sorts of diamonds in the rough. It doesn't mean your team's going to get them because there are other

teams. And they do have one. They do have their diamond in the rough. And that is Levi Drake Rodriguez. I wrote about that on draft day, 2004, about how they kind of found him and kept an eye on him and scouted him and paid attention to him at the bowl game that was not that attended or whatever. So they have these. I mean, they have them on the roster. Josh Battellis is a sixth round draft pick. there's guys that they've found that are diamonds in the rough throughout the last 10 years with a lot of this scouting staff. It's just you can't really from the outside, no, not really. You can't at all from the outside evaluate a team's scouting department because you don't know any of those people or what they do or what they think or who they scouted or anything like that. You can only take the general manager's decision making and the coach's decision making at the end.

but when you only have five draft picks, good luck winning the draft with your diamonds in the rough. I mean, I think eventually after Spielman drafted 707 round, seventh rounders and none of them really worked out, we kind of got maybe the idea that they weren't that great at that. But even then, seventh rounders, the hit rates like 5%. So you could take 100 in a row and not have it work out. The draft is a tricky thing, man. perplet are we going to snatch a free agent from Detroit? I'm not sure who you mean,

but it seems like they're not snatching any free agents from anywhere. You mean DJ Reader, I think. DJ Reader would be a great fit. And that's what I was talking about earlier, is that they have very little experience at defensive tackle, and I think defensive tackle is a position that you'd like to have experience. You'd like to have a Harrison Phillips maybe. that one I thought made sense at the time based on what we saw,

which was how are they going to play Harrison Phillips when Redmond looks like a beast? Levi Drake Rodriguez has made huge progress. They drafted a guy and signed two guys. I get it. But then quickly it became evident that they could have used Harrison Phillips. And they still could use someone like him. That would be DJ Reeder. I mean, he's not exactly the same type of player.

But he's kind of a, he's a big guy, very experienced, has had a lot of success. as a run stuffer offers a little bit of pass rush. I'm sure he's got a lot of offers since he's still a reasonable player, but there's 15 free agents that are out there still that make sense for the Minnesota Vikings. It's just we've hit the lull where no one really does anything because they have shifted into full-on draft mode. So those free agents tend to sit until after the draft. Jay says we should not draft a wide receiver in the first round. Well, show your work, Jay.

Prove me wrong, man. When you have Alec Freak and Pierce making $29 million, how much do you think you're going to have to pay Jordan Addison? Are you comfortable doing that? Also, I always think, too, that no one in Viking Land should ever push back. And I know it's a long time ago now, but I mean, should ever push back in getting more wide receivers when the most famous thing your franchise ever did was draft Randy Moss. when you didn't need another wide receiver.

These guys, they elevate quarterbacks when they're good. And there's still, people talk about Jarius Wright, like whimsically. Like, Jerry's right, man. He was, he was so great. That's because he had several huge catches in 2017 and was a pretty darn good wide receiver three. I mean, even that just shows you. Like, even a guy, he didn't even have that many receptions that year,

but he makes a huge catch in the Minneapolis Miracle game, this in-breaking route on, I think it was third down, and Case Keenham finds him. Like, those guys, they matter if you can have three wide receivers. Brock Purdy goes to the Super Bowl with this great stable of wide receivers and weapons. Greatest show on turf. There's so many examples, Washington that won the Super Bowl in 91 in Minneapolis. They had what?

Clark and Monk and Sanders. I mean, there's just examples everywhere of three wide receipts. receivers being hard to stop. And not only that, but it's a, it's a short and long-term type of play. Dumer K.O. Draft Tate and Trade Addison. I mean, if Tate falls, how do you not take him? You also don't have to trade Addison. He's on a one-year, $4 million deal at this point.

You can just let that play out. Planet Yevin, I would get our safety or old lineman. There's really no linemen to take unless you're planning on moving off of Brian O'Neill at some point. then you could take a tackle there. I haven't really looked at that scenario a lot because I think they want to extend O'Neill and just keep playing him. But this is the difference between a safety

and a wide receiver. If you go into free agency and look to try to replace a safety, it's not that hard. There's lots of guys out there. Cambynum signed for 15 mil, and we were like, wow, that's kind of a lot. A $15 million receiver stinks.

Like a $15 million wide receiver is probably not even good. not when guys like Josh Palmer and Tutu Atwell and whatever last year, Diami Brown, just guys who are not even good are getting, you know, $10 million plus dollars. So that's a big difference for me with the safety position. Now, if they draft, Theanman, I think he's a perfect fit. I think it'd be great. But you have to make that consideration when you do that draft pick of how replaceable

is this guy. And are you really just doing this for right now? Because this seems to be your most pressing need. Or are you doing this as a big. longer term team building exercise. That's the thing is if you're going to say, yeah, we're not going to sacrifice the future, but then you draft a guy who,

you know, the long term value unless he turns into Antoine Winfield Jr., which he could, or Tyron Matthew, which he could, but if he doesn't turn into those guys, eh, did you really get your first round value out of it?

If he's just okay, that's the question. Son of Beavers, do we look to lineback in the draft early. There's guys that I like for a second round. I mean, Anthony Hill Jr., I think somebody will do in the first round, maybe. Jacob Rodriguez is the other guy who stands out to me.

Jake Goldae from Cincinnati, those are the three names I see pop up the most. Linebacker does make sense in the first, I'd say in day two, actually. I mean, first round, it wouldn't make any sense. If they drafted a linebacker, they'd be out of their minds. Unless it's sunny styles. Okay, fine. then you do that because that guy's insane. But I mean, even Fred Warner, what was he?

Like a third round pick. You just got a lot out of Eric Wilson, who is an undrafted free agent that you signed at age 30. Linebacker's a weird position. When it comes to drafting them, like a Devin Lloyd, who's not any good for several seasons and then all of a sudden is awesome, you see that kind of happen a lot where it's hard to transition quickly into the NFL linebacker. It's a little bit on the risky side. You'd like to see them.

It gives you a little more flexibility, though, because Eric Wilson does play outside linebacker at times in certain looks. So you would like to see them get a little bit more depth there. That is a position I think they could look at in day two. That's like a third rounder to me. So maybe not that, that early. Dumer K.O. Can we draft a day two wide receiver this year and first round wide receiver next year. Day two wide receiver, there's a lot of good ones.

And so if you're against doing it at 18, which is totally. fine. I don't think they will. But day two wide receivers, there's a lot of guys that could potentially go there and make an impact. Every single time I run a draft sim, I run into a lot of different day two wide receivers that people like. So it might just depend on what their preference is. I think this is very, very deep with quality receivers. I think it's short on freaks, short on guys who are insane. There might not be a single receiver in this draft class that's crazy, crazy good, but there are maybe four on day two or five on day two that I could see working out.

So I don't mind that strategy. And, you know, Jay wants safety, corner DT. Corner DT, yeah, I mean, there's nothing wrong with that. Avion Terrell, Caleb Banks. I mean, you're looking, that's what I was talking about earlier with Drew McGarry is make it a little freakier, right? Like make it somebody who's got some talent that goes next level from everybody else or size or speed or whatever.

They need some of that. They need some cheat code on this team somewhere. And they don't really have it in the backfield. They have it with Jefferson. They have a little of it on the offensive line. They have a little of it with Jonathan Grenard, Andrew Van Ginkle, who's a different kind of cheat code. But freaky, scary.

What do you even do with that guy? Like, there's not a lot of that on this roster. So you'd like to see some of that. 26 seems too far back. Can't do the Bears of 25. For trading back. 26 feels a little 24 seems right to me Beavers

somehow some way will draft another quarterback KOC can't help himself I am always always in forever against the late round quarterback I know that Brock Purdy made it I think every other quarterback who was in the playoffs was a first rounder except for Brock Purdy

that's how it's usually going to be if the league is passed over somebody five or six times. It's unlikely. Every once in a while it happens. Did you guys know that Tom Brady was a sixth round pick? But we're, I mean, is it, is it only Brock Purdy? Tony Romo was an undrafted guy, right?

Dak is a fourth rounder. I'm just trying to think if there's anybody else, into day three or beyond. DAC, Romo, and Brock Purdy. But that's about it. And a lot of teams draft quarterbacks then. If you're going to do it, then do it. If you wanted to draft a quarterback, then go crazy and draft quarterback.

I don't know who that's supposed to be because it's not, I'm not a Ty Simpson person. I know that they needed some intrigue or something to yell about on television and found a way to make that happen. but I'm just not a Ty Simpson person for the Vikings. They would have to be really, really out on JJ McCarthy to do that. I mean, that would be some kind of look and some kind of shock if they did something like that. But I think day three, would I be surprised if KOC had his one guy that he liked, like a Jaron Hall. I would not be surprised that at all.

Jay, if top safety corner are available, we take one at 18, if not trade with the Steelers or Eagles at 23, and get a third or fourth round pick. I mean, I like that idea of having three or four guys on the board and then moving down four or five spots and still getting who you want. I think that's possible. Barbecue at my house. Why am I house? I do have enough diet Dr. Pepper, though. And we did redo the backyard last year for more barbecuing.

But that's a very random, very random comment. Maybe someday we'll have a porch pot. where everybody can come. I'll set up speakers and will annoy the neighbors or something. So I can't wait for those. Today was a great day, man. Weather-wise, cannot wait to get back to the porch pods. Definitely do.

And I got, I bought another camera. So I have this little camera that I travel with. That's how we do the post-game shows. And I bought another one. So maybe a little multi-cam setup for the porch pod. That's kind of the goal. Dumer K.O. Thenaman and Sadeke.

look like top 15 prospects. Yeah, they do. Safety is always dicey, though. Like safety, many times there has been a guy who's called the top safety. He's going to go super high. And then like a Derwin James or a Kyle Hamilton, they just tend to get taken lower than the draft Illuminati thinks. Son of Beavers, Juan Jennings or DeAndre Hopkins for wide receiver three.

I mean, Joanne Jennings would be phenomenal. I wonder if he was holding out for bigger money and everyone was like, nah, I don't think so. So maybe he takes a one year deal somewhere. The thing with Joanne Jennings, though, is how many teams need a number two? And he can play number two. The Vikings are looking for a number three. So, well, he would be ideal and I think he'd be good.

Is he going to get the target chair that gets him the next big contract? Probably not. Hopkins would be because of his closeness with Kyler Murray. I could see that. I could see that happening. Let's see. Stephen, how do defensive tackles get experienced if you never play them? Who are you talking about?

I mean, if they, oh, you mean like the young guys? No, you can play them. You can absolutely play them. You just don't have defensive tackle is the most rotational position on the field. So if you are going to talk about like Levi Drake Rodriguez or, you know, a Ty Engerb Dawkins, you can play those guys 400 snaps. I think they did last year with Levi Drake Rodriguez. You can get a DJ reader and still easily play Levi Drake Rodriguez or Ty and Grum Dawkins 400 snaps.

I mean, you can work those guys in in a lot of different ways. In fact, last year, they were using three defensive tackles on the field at once at times, which Brian Flores isn't afraid to do. So, you know, that's three guys that you're getting that experience. But it's better to have someone who is proven at the defensive tackle position as well. Paul says, have the Vikes even brought Thinemann for a visit? That I don't know. First round wide receiver looks right. Yeah, Kurt Warner, I don't know.

How many years did I say? Like last 20 years? I think I, what did I say? Maybe last 20 years, 15 years. I don't know what I said for how many. But yes, Kurt Warner was undrafted. There's not many examples through all of history, but especially recently. I mean, even if we go back, when was DAC drafted?

Was that like 2015? 2016? I think 2016. was when DAC was drafted since DAC in the fourth round. It's just purdy, right? Is there anybody else who's really turned out to be anything past the fourth round day three or undrafted? Or is it just purdy? I don't know if they've brought him in.

They don't have to tell anyone. Sometimes it gets reported, though. Pro Bowl quarterback Shudor Sanders is funny. When is Duma Keo? When is Brett Thorsten, the top hunter getting drafted? I don't know. Sixth. I always laugh when they draft a punter in the sixth.

And they're like, okay, we, how are you not taking like a random wide receiver or something at that point, rather than a punter and just letting them be undrafted? Maybe it's so you make sure you get him. Kurt Warner, yeah, I mean, I'd like to get him on the show. Maybe I'll reach out to him, did that article with him last year. And that he was great. He was really great.

What did I ask? I'm trying to think before we wrap up the show about what I asked. Oh, okay. What I asked Drew McGarry, if you guys want to answer this at all, was, is there anything that the Vikings could do that would move their fan duel number, eight and a half? That's where they're at right now. Do you think there's anything they could do between now and the beginning of the season to move the number?

That was the fan duel question of the day. And we'll work on some of those. Doomer K.O., can they extend Addison? Sure, I mean, they can. Yeah. What kind of number are you talking about, though? I mean, what kind of number are you talking about? I mean, right now, if I'm Addison's representation, I'm saying, hey, first of all, those charges got thrown out.

Second of all, $29 million for Alec Pierce. I think my guy's just as good as him. I don't know that, I don't know that Addison's in a great negotiating position, though. Like, shouldn't Addison be thinking? I should play this year and then go for the extension. I should play with Kyler Murray and then go for the extension. Because right now, I'd be going, I'd be going in the Jerry Judy range for Jordan Addison

because he's got some demerits off the field. He's not coming off a good year. In fact, he was terrible last year. The number of drops that he had, there was a difference between Jefferson drops that were whipped 100 miles an hour at him and Addisons that were right in his hands. There was constant,

and also Jefferson's drop rate, wasn't different from his career, where Addison's was like twice as bad. So there were drops. There's an off-field thing. There's a quarter he's held out overseas because of whatever reason we never quite found out. I mean, that's more, that's my offer if I'm the Vikings is like 17. And that's not what Jordan Addison is going to want.

Jordan Addison's going to want true number two money, which is where he should aim for it. But I don't know if you can make that bridge that gap. Tway, once again asking for two quick second take on the Sabres is the Buffalo guy. Are you a Sabers fan or just the hockey person? You know what? Well, they're the hottest team in the NHL. And when I was there, which was now a long time ago, the big debate was how they were rebuilding because they were tanking. And for the longest time, it didn't work in part because of just sheer insane men.

mismanagement. But you know who it reminds me of? Let me tie this into Minnesota. It reminds me of the Timberwolves that when it clicked, it really clicked. And that's what's happened with Lindy Ruff. And part of it was they needed to get a serious coach. They were so not serious with their coaching hires. They tried, they made a mistake. And actually, there's a connection there with the Vikings. They tried to go all in around Jack Eichol before he was ready. Does that sound familiar? Ikel was not ready to be a megastar franchise number one center when they hired Dan Bilesma and they went and got Van der Kaine and Ryan O'Reilly and all these these big name players but he wasn't ready yet. They messed up the timeline.

They tried to push it too fast and as opposed to methodically building a lot of those first overall type second overall type draft picks, they take a few years to build the team around them. So then it crashed and burns. Eichl and Reinhart won Stanley Cups. but if you're bad long enough in hockey, we know this from Colorado. If you're bad long enough in hockey,

eventually it will click. And here it is with a real coach. And now suddenly the goaltending looks great. They're one of the most fun teams to watch. So there you go. I'm happy for all my friends that are having a good time in Buffalo. Not good since Phil Housley left. Well, they were really good when I was in college.

0506 was when I was in college. And they made two runs in a row to the Eastern Conference final. should have beat the Carolina Hurricanes and lost there. And then Ottawa just kind of ran over them. And I guess we thought that, oh, they'll bring back Breyer and Drury and they'll keep being really good. And they did not bring back Breyer and Drury. And that's when I got to, when I started in media was when the fan base was really down

because they had let go these superstar players that took them to the Eastern Conference final. And then they were kind of hoping. and this is this is like Vikings connected too with maybe some of my outlook when cousins was here was based on this. They kept sort of hoping that okay players and a goalie, but okay players like Drew Stafford, Derek Roy, like those guys, that they would be enough. And this was actually a wild problem forever.

They just hoped that okay players would be enough. And they weren't. And they could get you so far and you could be competitive and everything else, but you can never really get over the top. So then they did the tanking thing, and I'm convinced it would have gone fine had they not brought in a VanderCain and not tried to rush the process

and built slowly and methodically and not tried to bring in a coach who had won the cup with freaking Sidney Crosby, right? So there's a lot of team building stuff that I learned from what the Buffalo Sabres did wrong. Dumer K.O., running back could move the eight and a half number. Good answer to the Fanduil question of the day. I agree if that running back is one guy.

That is Jeremiah Love. And we can never count out anything because you start, you could see how it could happen. If you start going down the mock draft and you go like, okay, well, you know, all right, this guy goes to this team and they got this need and, oh, they picked a receiver instead or they, whatever. And then you go, wait a minute, he's at 14.

Like the Alec Lewis mock draft the other day where they were trading up to 11, I thought was a little much. But if he got to like 13 or 14, I don't know, go get them. Because you're not dipping that deep into your pockets to make it happen. So if that scenario played out, yeah, sure. Or you never know. I mean, is there a trade somewhere for a running back?

Steven says, as much as I like tight ends, I don't like drafting them high because they take so long to develop. You know, the, the big picture thinking changes on stuff like this so fast, right? Because that was true for a few years where there were high drafted tight ends that took while to develop. And then in the last couple years, Colston Loveland is great right away. Brock Bowers is great right away. And I also think there's a lot of positions that take time to develop.

The problem with the draft is that we get so invested with these guys and so excited about well, he's going to come in, he's going to do this, he's going to be that. And we forget that it takes time for guys to be good at sports at the pro level. So if you draft, I mean, if you draft a center, he's probably not going to be great right away. A wide receiver might be, but he also might need a year or two, like Quinton Johnston, who everyone just said, he's a bust, is horrible, and he's become a decent player for them, for the, uh, the chargers. We never give anybody any time for anything. If you were to get Kenyon Sadeek, he gets a whole year to develop behind T.J. Hawkinson, and he can be a role player and a

weapon right away. So I'm not, I'm not down. Yeah, Sam Leporta was good right away. Pits took a couple years, but also look who is quarterback? I mean, is it, is it any surprise that, I mean, really didn't Pitts kind of take off when Kirk got in there? I mean, I could, I could be wrong. I didn't watch a ton of Kirk's games in Atlanta, but it feels like when Kirk got in there this year is when Pitt started playing really well because Kirk throws the tight ends and he's 36. So he knows what to do. And they had like Taylor Heineke and Desmond, maybe Desmond Ritter never played with pits. But they had like Heineke and then, you know,

Kirk is coming off the injury and then they get Pennix thrown in there as a rookie and then Pennix. this year. I mean, it's just been a rough ride there. But a lot of them recently have after that long run of them not. So things tend to change. I also think that this generation of tight ends is coming through as I'm a big giant pass catcher because that's what gets you paid.

Jay says if no cornerbacker safety is available, would you draft D.T. Woods, Peter Woods at 18. or trade with the Steelers. It depends a little bit on how much they like Peter Woods. I'm a little less sold than some other people on him being a first round draft pick. Daniel Jeremiah doesn't have him in his top 32 prospects, which gives me a little bit of pause. And I know Daniel's not perfect and nobody is,

but if you're talking about a top first round defensive tackle and some of the better evaluators don't have him that high, I'm a little concerned about that. defensive tackle as a position is always been really valuable. But now with the way teams play and creating interior pressure is such a big deal. And also Garrett Bradbury's in the division. So that's why, you know, get Caleb Banks, have him run over the interior offensive lines of the, I mean, the Packers, man, they re-signed their center.

He's not that good. Maybe it is a good idea. Perplet, missed you mentioned Gavin Bartholomew, is he going to be healthy. He was healthy at the end of last year. He just wasn't ready to play in the NFL yet. At the very end of last year, he was practicing and he was off the, I don't know if they took him off the IR officially.

I don't remember what they did with him like procedurally, but he was healthy at the end of last year. So he should have a whole off season and be good to go as far as I know. So anyway, well, it's a beautiful evening. So I might try to go outside a little bit. here. Can you believe how stupid is this weather? I know this is like a very small talky thing. It's 61 right now and in two days it's supposed to be a low of 29. Ridiculous. So I might try to take a little advantage there and finishing up an article on just the subject that we've been

talking about over a purple insider dot football. So make sure you go check that out tomorrow morning. And I've got something interesting coming on Kyler Murray that I'm excited about that I've been working on a little bit today. So, you know, the train keeps rolling. Owners meetings coming up. I'll be in Phoenix. I'm very scared of airports right now and how that's going to work out. But MSP's been all right. So we'll hope that all of that works out well. And we'll have a few podcasts from the owner's meetings at the end of the week. And, you know, may do this again tomorrow night, depending on if anything comes up or what happens. I don't have interviews scheduled for tomorrow. So maybe we'll just live stream again. We'll see. But thanks, thanks everybody, for

your time. I hope you enjoy Drew McGarry at the beginning of the show. And maybe we can do that again a little bit more of having people stop by for the live stream and just answer your questions because I thought that went super well. So thanks everybody for watching and listening. And we'll catch you all later. Football.