Purple Insider - a Minnesota Vikings and NFL podcast - Former Viking QB Gus Frerotte talks Randy Moss and breaks down his greatest game in Minnesota

Episode Date: June 22, 2020

What was Gus's first run in Minnesota like? Did he enjoy Randy Moss as a teammate behind the scenes? What happened that day in 2003 to give him a chance to have one of the all-time great Viking QB performances? What does he think about this year's Vikings?  Read Matthew Coller's work at PurpleInsider.substack.com And do the Bluewire listener survey for a chance to win air pods.  https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=BugBBZdAw0aNFUvtuGkgyhnTao1hdWxOjJwTA2fwHGJUN0hUNEhaSExWN0RRRFdCV1ZOTkdHR1IwOCQlQCN0PWcu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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to talk about the highest rated game by a quarterback in Minnesota Viking history, which, yes, belongs to Gus Farratt. Gus, how are you? I'm doing great, Matthew. How are you? I am doing really well. And I want to tell people first, before we dive into this game in 2003, September 28th against the San Francisco 49ers at the Metrodome, before we dive deep into this, that people

should go check out your show which is huddle up with gus and i'm always surprised guys it pops up i guess i shouldn't be journeyman quarterbacks uh they know a lot of people and you you always get a listers on your show so i i get sage rosenfels and you'll have like peter king or somebody no and you have you get Gus Farratt. Yeah, no, you know, I've been lucky. I've met some people, and they know some people. So today, actually, my son and I are going to, together, are going to interview Anthony Davis from the Lakers. So it's going to be a lot of fun.

We've had some great guests, and I've been really lucky. And it's been a lot of fun doing the podcast, and people can check us out at our website, howtoupwithuss.com. Anthony Davis. Wow. Okay. All right.

Yes, I have Gus Frod. But I have a really cool angle to interview you, Gus, and that is this game in 2003. So I was just playing around on Pro Football Reference and doing some different searches, and I got curious because I assumed that it would be Dante Culpepper with all the crazy games he had or Randall Cunningham from 1998, one of the great seasons by a quarterback in NFL history. is 16 for 21, 267 yards, four touchdowns, zero interceptions, and a 157.2 quarterback rating. So let's just begin with you starting this game because you come to Minnesota as Dante's backup. He is out with a back injury.

And what do you kind of remember about joining the Vikings the first time in 2003 and what the situation was leading up to this game. Well, the year before I was with the Bengals, and, you know, that wasn't a good situation. And I remember Coach Tice and Scott Linehan coming to visit me in Cincinnati. And, you know, we hit it off pretty well. And from that point on, Scott and I became very close. And I loved his offense because he was very similar to the first style of offense I was in when I played for the Redskins.

And so I think it was just a great meeting. And then getting to the Vikings instantly kind of molded with everyone there, kind of had the same viewpoint on how football is played and uh just really enjoyed my time there and then just going in was relaxed you know Dante's going to be the starter you're going to go in and do whatever you can to uh you know kind of uphold if he gets hurt or if anything happens and and you just got to go in and do your job and and but I just enjoyed my time immensely in Minnesota. My family loved it.

We rented a house up there. We got to know a lot of great people in Minnesota. Just a great community and great football town. A lot of times, Gus, when you're the journeyman backup quarterback and you're backing up someone like Dante Culpepper, you want to game manage. You want to not make mistakes. And Sage has talked about this on the show numerous times about how you go in with oftentimes the mindset of don't turn the ball over.

Don't be the reason that you lose. And in this case, you come right out slinging in this game. And I just want to go over the touchdowns with you because they're really, they're all really something. So the first touchdown is a jump ball to Randy Moss. And I just want to go over the touchdowns with you because they're all really something. So the first touchdown is a jump ball to Randy Moss. Like, imagine. It appears on this play because I can only find the old Chris Berman highlights on this,

which are awesome and classic to have Chris Berman. I mean, that's like, I mean, for somebody who grew up watching Chris Berman, I guess it feels like it must be really cool to be like, Gasparat throwing a touchdown. But anyway, so he's the only receiver out on this play, and it looks like it's supposed to be kind of a screen look on one side, and maybe a little bit of a play action, or the running back looks like he's going to take a handoff, and it's only Moss, and the 49ers seemed a little confused, and you just flip it up into the end zone for him. And he just goes up and snatches it. There's nobody in history, Gus, who can just go up and snatch the ball like that and make it look like the easiest thing in the entire world on a fade.

Well, you know, the thing about Randy was he could do it on a little fade that's, you know, when you're on the five-yard line. Or he could do it when you're on the other 25 and run 60 yards and catch it. Like it's no big deal. He was such an amazing player that his body never got out of control. And that's what made him great was, I mean, obviously he had great hands,

you know, he had, he had unbelievable speed, but a lot of guys have speed, but they don't, you know, when the ball's coming down to somebody on your heels, he did it.

He was just uncanny of how he would not even let the defender know the ball was coming so many times, and then if he had to, he'd go pick a peanut off somebody's head and go over top of them and grab it, so, you know, he was just an amazing player, and I was really thankful I got to play with him. Yeah, I'm sure, and in this game, he ends up with three touchdowns and 172 yards, and we'll break down the other touchdowns as well, because he actually ends up with four, but he got called for a pass interference, which might have been the best catch that he made that day.

But what was it like working with Moss leading up to that? Because a lot of guys that played with Moss talk about how he would have the flash cards and be really diligent in terms of game planning and stuff like that. But his outside perception was a little bit different than what he was known for from teammates. So what was it like kind of in practice and preparing to get ready to start this game? Yeah, Randy was Randy. You know, if you've watched that uh

the Dennis Rodman or the the Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan thing where they talk about Dennis Rodman who had a personality but they couldn't have won all those championships without him you know and and the thing about Randy was he had a personality and and uh people knew how to deal with him and you just let Randy be Randy some Some days he was, you know, different, and other days he was normal and whatever it was. But, you know, I played dominoes with him all the time, and we did a lot of stuff in the mornings. He was a great teammate.

I mean, this guy used to get clothes from Nike and give them away to all the linemen because he had, like, a 15 shoe. And, you know, he loved his team. He loved the locker room. Yeah, there were times when he got bothered a lot by the press and the media, and it was annoying. But he never kind of like in the locker room, he was just Randy. You could talk to him.

You could approach him. I really never felt like he was bigger than anybody else in there, even though he was. So the second touchdown, yeah, and that's interesting because I've heard that from a number of different teammates with him, that, you know, in practice he was always the guy who's working really hard and things like that, and that he was very different from what he presented himself to often with the media.

And then if you've watched the 30 for 30 on him, Rand University, you get much better of an understanding of why he would not be trusting of a lot of people and want to kind of just focus on what he did in football. Right, right. The second touchdown is a classic Randy Moss touchdown. I mean, you mentioned that he could do the fade no matter what, and that's what this is. Now, I want to know from your perspective, though,

how hard is it to kind of do the drop in the bucket from 35 or 40 yards out you do a play action here and they've got a lot of guys in the box and and so you know I mean even with it surprises me that even with a play action that Randy Moss has only one guy on him down the sideline but I would imagine that it's an automatic if Moss is one-on-one down the sideline you know that you're making that throw. Oh, there's no doubt. I mean, there's, you know, they talk about Peyton Manning kind of going through his reads, Tom Brady looking for matchups.

I mean, I don't care who you are. If you've got Randy Moss one-on-one, that's where you're going. I mean, I've played, when we played the Lions one year, and I was quarterback, and Randy had a bad back. It was cover two. There was a guy on him. There was a safety over top of them. And I still threw a fade to him because he beat them both. He was just, he was just an amazing player. And if you had one-on-one, you know, it was like, okay, if this guy's out in front, put it behind. Randy just knew how to play the game, how to play the position

anywhere you threw it. And if he had a step on somebody, you knew you were letting it go. The drop and the bucket pass is just something that you work on. You practice and practice and practice. Those things don't just happen. Those are from hours and hours of being out there before and after practice and making those throws.

At this point in the game, you've got a couple of touchdowns. On the other side, they're melting down. San Francisco is losing it. Terrell Owens is yelling at his offensive coordinator. Jeff Garcia has thrown a couple of interceptions. You have a drive where you hand off every single time, and Mo Williams and Ontario Smith take you down the field.

So now you're just rolling at this point. Are you aware, when you're the quarterback on one side, if the other team is melting down on the, on the other sideline, like, can you see Terrell Owens going after his offensive coordinator? Are you kind of like in your own world there on your sideline? No,

you don't really see that unless somebody mentions it. I don't look for that stuff. I'm more of, you know, coming off the sideline, let's go over what we need to do better. Let's check our, uh, everything, um, on know, coming off the sideline. Let's go over what we need to do better. Let's check our everything on. At that time, we had pictures. Now you can watch a complete video of the play. And then, you know, you're going out and watching your defense and you're rooting them

on. And, you know, you don't really notice that kind of stuff until after the game. Somebody mentions it to you. But, you know, it's tough tough you know uh when Terrell Owens is expecting to have a good game against one of the other best receivers in the league and he doesn't you know that those kind of things are tough for people sometimes and and uh I just remember that game just you know it seemed like everybody was open I don't know why you just have games like that where it's like you're going to put it in there and there's just going to be it's going to be hard to stop your offense. And we had that kind of offense that year. And I was lucky enough to be able to step in there when Dante got hurt. And my other thing that I really loved was being able to, you know, I had the headset on

every game. I was able to call the plays in from Scott Linehan. And I was the guy that did all that and uh you know i think that was beneficial for me as a backup quarterback to stay in the game that way um and and i thought it was great for the coaches to relinquish some of that um some of that ownership to me and um let me do that that they trusted me enough and they thought i was smart enough to be able to to go in there and call the plays. That's interesting. How often does that happen in the NFL?

It doesn't happen very often. Those two years were the only years that I did that. Nobody else would ever let me do that even though I asked them to let me because usually a lot of times it doesn't happen because a coach is on the sideline calling the plays anyway, so he just pushes the button and calls the plays to the quarterback. Now, a lot of times when there's a coach in the box, you can't do that, so you have to relay the play down to the field, and then you call the play in.

But for me, it's because Dante and I, we were in every meeting together, and we had all our notes from the coaches and everything. I was able to tell him stuff rather than just saying here's the play I could say hey look if it's cover two we want to think here if it's if it's cover one we want to think here you know be alert for this you know and then coach Tice was always yelling in my ear to tell the lineman something and I rarely ever put that on Dante you know he the lineman could figure it out they're smart enough. We have Matt Burke as our center, and there's no better player out there.

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And, I mean, first of all, it's sort of remarkable about how quick it feels. You know, when you're watching the game, it's like, all right, they're in the huddle and then they're, you know, wandering up to. But when it's actually going on and you're having to call the plays, it feels a little bit faster than that. And I remember Kevin Stefanski talking about how it felt fast at first. But that's really interesting that you were able to add little observations and things that could help him from the sideline.

And I wonder why that doesn't happen more often. It must be just because coaches don't want to give up that control. Yeah, I don't really know why that is. And I think a lot of times the coaches are just thinking so much of the next play and where are we going next and what's going to happen. Like if we don't get the first down here, it's going to be third and short. You know, those kind of things. So their mind's always working in another place where I didn't have to worry

about that because that was Scott's job. My mind was saying, okay, here's the play. What are our notes? What can I tell Dante that, you know, he may not be thinking of? And Dante loved it. He's like, hey, man, it helps so much. So we got along really well because of that. And I love doing that because for me, whether I was a backup or the starter or whatever,

it's all about the team. It doesn't matter who's playing. We all want to win. And so I really enjoyed doing that. And I appreciate the coaches for letting me do that. Well, how much did that help when you did get in the game? I mean, it feels like if you're speaking the language all the time that you would be fluent in it by the time you get out there. Well, it's not that you're not fluent in it. If you're not on the headset,

it's just that you're in the game. You're kind of understanding what the coaches are talking about, what they're thinking about. You know what I mean? Because otherwise, you know, you kind of listen. You get it it every quarterback usually has an ear set they can listen to what their play calls are but you're kind of just talking to other people i mean this is you're into the game you can't screw up you can't bullshit you can't go in and you know tell a joke to somebody you're in the game when the offense is out there you're in the game with them and so if you have to go in, you're prepared, you're ready, and it's just like you've been playing the whole time.

That's really unique and a cool experience. So is throwing a 59-yard touchdown to Randy Moss. And I have to ask, the next touchdown that you throw, well, the next touchdown you throw goes to Nate Burleson. And you're really feeling it at this point. So we'll get to the 59 yarder in a second because you throw the touchdown to Moss uh that's a fade in the back of the end zone the refs say he pushed off it's a great catch typical like get the feet down everything else so they

they move you back and then you fire one to Nate Burleson I mean this is you are like jacking up to throw this is a short stop making the deep play in the hole. Fire this one to Nate Burleson for a touchdown. And, you know, I mean, and you're continuing to roll in this game. But, I mean, I don't know. It just looks like, and it's only from the highlights that I could find, that you are really feeling it at that point. Like this is a big celebration, a fist pump,

and it just seems like you're having a lot of fun at that point in the game well i mean yeah it was it was a lot of fun i mean that was nate burleson's first touchdown he ever caught in the nfl oh didn't know that yeah that was uh we still talk about that every now and then i think it was a cover cover two beater he was running a seam down the middle um because obviously they're playing moss you know he just got called for uh you know he caught a touchdown but it didn't count so he moved back they're playing cover two You know, he just got called for, you know, he caught a touchdown, but it didn't count, so he moved back. They're playing cover two. Nate beats a linebacker, the nickelback, whoever's covering him.

You know, you just got a little window, and you got to fire it in there and put it right on him. And, you know, I remember, you know, I was excited because Nate got his first touchdown. You know, guys come into the NFL, and they make plays like that, and they, you know, that's the NFL and they they make plays like that and and they you know that's like their dreams coming true and so I was really excited for Nate at that point I mean yeah I'm pumped for Randy because Randy just does what he does and it's so amazing to be able to play with him and be able to throw touchdowns to him but uh you know when a guy like Nate comes in and gets through him his first touchdown that's pretty incredible too and he was a third round pick too that so not a guy that came in as a first rounder or anything like

that and had to work his way into that opportunity to get that touchdown so very cool but the next one is is vintage Randy Moss and you get a little bit of pressure and you're we're talking about now this is full blowout mode you're up 28 to nothing you get some pressure you drop back the the guy comes off the edge and you step up and you give the full like outfielder trying to throw the guy out at home from the wall like the hop step in the jump and throw it 50 something yards in the air to randy moss he goes in for a 59-yard touchdown. Is this your long – well, this is not your longest touchdown as a Viking, but is this the farthest throw in the air that you ever made? Probably.

It's pretty close to one of them. I mean, you don't get many opportunities to throw it that far, you know, or have a guy that's going to be open that far downfield. But, you know, it's funny that you mention that throw like that, like it's an outfielder throw, because when you watch all these quarterbacks that have played with Randy, their highlight throws are all throws like that. They're winding up.

They're winding up and letting it rip. And he's catching it 60, 65 yards downfield and toe-tapping in the end zone. And it's kind of funny that you said that, but, you know, those are the things that you got to do with them and you know it's just it's just amazing i was blessed with an arm that could throw it and and uh you know you meet guys who could run underneath it and it's a lot of fun to play like that well i i was talking about this not too long ago that dante's highlight reel is entirely either dante running over linebackers because he weighed 260 pounds as a quarterback, or it's him launching it 60 yards in the air to Randy Moss just running

down the field. And it looks like the best part about this last touchdown is that it looks like he's double covered, but it's not. With him, it's just not. You can have two guys there, and it doesn't matter. And I know that I'm spending a lot of time on Randy Moss here, but this is like one of his vintage classic games of catching 8 out of 10 passes, 172 yards. And this one in particular, I don't know if there's a favorite of these touchdowns

or of all your touchdowns to Randy Moss, but this is the coolest looking one, I think. Yeah, no, I think it is. Because Randy had this knack, and we used to practice this, that he always said, look, if I get off somebody and I've got to come back and they're playing, I'm going to put my hand up and I'm just going to take off. And I'm like, okay, cool. And I can't tell you how many times, if you go back and probably watch his film, when he comes off the ball

and he feels like he can get past the defense, you'll see really quick his hand go up above his helmet. And if you watch that, how many times that happens, it's amazing. Because even a cover two safety who's 25 yards deep, he's 10 yards away, but he knows that guy's flat-footed and he's in three steps, he's got to be past him. I didn't know that's why he did that, that he did that to change the route. I thought he just did it to be a baller.

No, that's how we knew as a quarterback that, hey, look, he's breaking a route off, and he's going deep. And so, I mean, it really is genius, because why not do that? I mean, that's the game. That's backyard football that everybody wants to's the game that's that's backyard football that everybody wants to do and that's what made uh the viking so exciting that is very cool because there's a particular highlight of his i think from his first year where he throws the hand up and he runs by a corner that was a 4-3 speed corner and just goes by him with his hand up in

the air still the fact that somebody could be so fast that they could go by people while still like slowing themselves down by throwing the hand up in the air is truly like not from this earth. And that was, that was Randy Moss. So you, you finished this game 35 to seven, and then you go into the next game and also play really well against Atlanta

in kind of a shootout. You win 39-26. And then, of course, Dante takes over. The 2003 season does not end the way that anybody wanted it to end, I'm sure, with the Vikings and sort of classic Vikings lore for this one. But the 2004 season I wanted to ask you about too um because that's one of the great quarterback seasons of all time for dante and right i didn't know before we started this that you had that relationship of you know calling the plays uh and sending the plays into

him and things like that what was that like i mean that that oh four season i mean he ends up um i don't have his stats right here in front of me, but, like, I mean, he could have been the MVP if Peyton Manning doesn't have an all-time great season. And I just feel like there maybe isn't, because he had the injury and his career was kind of shortened in a way or his prime was shortened in a way, there isn't the true appreciation for Dante Culpepper, but there should be because his peak was absolutely incredible. No, it was incredible. And I think when you put a talent like Dante with a talent like Randy,

a talent like we had on the offensive line, and we had good running backs and we had great tight ends, all that together, offense was really good. And the way that it ended was kind of sad and uh felt like we should have been way better and gone a lot further and i'm sure those guys all feel the same way but dante was an incredible talent big fast strong could throw the football um could run the football and just you know it was it was a lot of fun you know i never had you know even though dante was a starter and i was a backup and then

we had Sean Hill there as well. We never had any animosity towards each other. We had a lot of fun and Dante was just Dante and we let him be who he was and I just loved helping him be the best he could be. Before we get back to the conversation, I want to remind you that there is no shortage of action going on right now at our exclusive partners at betonline.ag. Sports are slowly making their way back and BetOnline is leading the way with the best odds and lines for all UFC, NASCAR, boxing, and soccer matches. And if you need more, they have stimulated NFL, NBA, and UFC simulations all day, every day, live on their website. Looking for something else other than sports? BetOnline has hundreds of casino games, poker tournaments, live on their website. Looking for something else other than sports?

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appearance with a team, you are officially a journeyman quarterback. My, my, I'll tell my quick Sean Hill story. I went up to Sean Hill and asked him one time for some quarterback perspective, similarly to what I would do with you on our radio shows. Like, hey, give me some quarterback perspective. And he said, yeah, the practice squad quarterback's over there. I was like, okay. And then he answered the questions nicely, but I just thought it was like his very dry sense of humor was funny.

So the last thing I wanted to ask you, Gus, this has been just super fun, is you still obviously on your show analyze the NFL, and the Vikings went through a lot of changes this offseason with their defense and trading Stephon Diggs. And I just need a huddle up with Gus sports take on the Vikings and where you think they're at in their trajectory with this kind of retooling. Do you still see them at the top of the NFC North or what's your kind of feeling on 2020 yeah I think so I think with uh you know with Coach Zimmerman uh he's done a great job with the defense I think their defense is going to be really good uh I think losing Stephon Diggs

obviously probably hurts him but you know knowing um Coach Coach Kubiak and the people that they have there, you know, they're going to find people that can play. And, you know, obviously it's going to be important to keep Delvin Cook out in the field. The run game helps Kirk Cousins so much. And Kirk is just a good quarterback. He's high percentage. He can make the throws downfield too I mean I've seen him make some great throws running to his left uh you know

and and they're going to do things that give them the opportunity to win I always felt like when you play in that zone you should never lose because you have such a 12 12 man advantage and even now uh you know with what the Vikings are doing I think they're just poised to really make a run, and I hope they do. You know, the Vikings franchise and where they've been has been hard to watch, kind of, because they've been so close and yet haven't gotten there. And, you know, they definitely, if you look at a franchise, deserve to get to the top of the mountain. And I think with their ownership, the kind of people that they are

and how they love to work with their coaches and how they love to work with their players, I think that everybody really feels good about how they can go in this season, do the right things, make the plays, and get them back to where they want to be, you know, top of the division, chance to win the NFC, and then go on to win a Super Bowl. So I hope they get to do that. It's a great place. The fans deserve it.

And, you know, I don't want anything else but for them to get to the top of the mountain. Well, and I certainly hope that we're talking about full stadiums again at some point here soon, though I'm not super confident in that. But, you know, I guess, you know, we'll see. I just – it's one of those things that everything that we talk about with 2020, it's like I hope – we'll find out, I guess. But you're right. Well, even if it's not, you know, you're still –

when you go out and cross those white lines, it doesn't matter if there's one fan or 70,000. You're going to go play the game like you want to play it. Obviously, with the home field advantage, it's a big difference. But, you know, you're going to go out and play and try and do the best you can. You know, it's going to be interesting to see how the season goes, what happens if somebody does test positive during the season, you know, through the whole –

what happens with the whole team, with the building. So it's going to be really interesting. I know people want sports back, and I know people want all this to come back very quickly. But, you know, I also know that a lot of people have died this year in a very short amount of time from the terrible virus and pandemic. So, you know, I just want everybody to be safe. You know, our health, football will always be there.

And, you know, we may miss a season. It may not be what we all wanted. But we know it's always going to be here. And we just got to keep growing it, keep kids uh playing it and do the right thing and i think uh you know everyone will be more appreciative you know in 10 years we got to look back at this and hopefully we all say we did the right thing yeah no that's a great point that if things have to get delayed or moved back or changed altered significantly that uh you know hopefully it's just one one year or one time that we have to do this and we all move on, you know, hopefully it's just one year or one time that we have to

do this and we all move on. You know, I don't want to get super cynical on the podcast, Gus, so we'll just leave it at that. But that's my hope. I always hope for better when it comes to just about anything. So anyway, you're a great follow on Twitter, at Gus Farrant. The show is outstanding, and I love that you came right in dropping, oh, yeah, I'm going to interview Anthony Davis. So good for you. Huddle up with Gus, at HuddleUpWithGus on Twitter is the show. It is a very cool venture for you, Gus.

And I appreciate you coming on, and it's great to catch up with you again, man. Make sure you listen on Monday. I have Brett Boone on, and he's a third-generation Major League Baseball player. He talks about his grandfather in the major leagues, his dad Bob, and his brother Aaron, who is now the general manager of the New York Yankees. So he was a great interview, and I did it with my co-host, Marnie Schneider, who was subbing for my regular co-host, Dave Hager. But it's going to be a great one for Father's Day.

I mean, they're hoping for the fourth generation upcoming, getting the major leagues, which would be really cool to see. Yeah, that's very cool. The A-listers on Huddle Up with Gus. I was not kidding. You get the D-listers with Gus Frod. You know what, though? The D-listers, if you want to call it that, I wouldn't.

But great stories just like on this podcast. The journeymen always have stories, Gus. Always. That's because we get to go a lot of places and meet a lot of people. Exactly. And then you end up with all these cool people on your podcast.

At Huddle Up with Gus is the show. Great to catch up with you again, man. I hope we can do it again soon. Yep. Thanks, Matt. Take care.