Purple Insider - a Minnesota Vikings and NFL podcast - How does Vikings free agency impact the draft?!?

Episode Date: March 12, 2025

Matthew Coller is joined by CBS Sports Draft analyst to talk about how Vikings free agency will impact their draft strategy and then Dane Mizutani of the Pioneer Press discusses the Vikings next move.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Purple Insider. Matthew Coller here and it's been several hours since the Vikings made another signing. What? Come on, Quacey, do something. I mean, he only signed Jonathan Allen, Ryan Kelly, Byron Murphy Jr. Javon Hargrave is on the way. Who am I missing? Isaiah Rogers.

Okay, there's been a lot going on for the Minnesota Vikings and maybe Cooper Cup. Yes, Ted, maybe Cooper Cup will be on the way. So we've got a lot to talk about. There are free agents who are remaining that we need to discuss. And also the draft is now majorly impacted by the way the Minnesota Vikings have handled free agency.

And to discuss that with us here tonight, along with your questions, comments, thoughts and feelings about the huge Minnesota Vikings off season, Chris Trapaso joining us live from CBS Sports Draft Analyst. Chris, I am glad to have you live on the show today. And, uh, what a 24 hours for the Minnesota Vikings, eh? Oh my God. Like I can't believe that the Vikings addressed all their needs. Like we were talking about Derek Hyruman. Oh, they got to go defensive tackle. Ooh, the

guard position, interior of the offensive line. They need to get bigger. They need to get stronger. It's almost like you had a pretty good idea and framed me up nicely on what the Vikings needed specifically and Kwesi Adafo Mensah didn't just address those with low level free agents day two, day three right away with some big ticket items, gave decent money in terms of APY, not a ton of guarantees, and established players,

Jonathan Allen, Javon Hargrave, guys up front from the Colts that are big bodies that have handled and have been part of really quality run games, blocking for Jonathan Taylor the last few seasons and even before that. So it really frees up and I'm sure we'll talk about it tonight, it frees up the Vikings to really go in like 50 different directions and to not be telegraphed

with that 24th pick in the first round. Well, if you're wondering, Chris, I do have the mock draft simulator up. Yes, yes. It's also a national holiday for all Vikings fans because the NFL just announced the comp. What a day or the last two days for Vikings fans. I know.

And the Vikings are getting just one and it's the one that we expected. So for weeks we've been saying, hey, they're probably going to have the 97th overall pick and that was just based on some good reporting for people on how the formula usually works and all that. And indeed the Vikings were awarded just one comp pick. Sorry guys. That's it. But they did get, I don't know, Andrew van ginkle, Jonathan, Granada, Blake

Cashman and Stefan Gilmore last year. So those guys made up for it, but it is indeed the Kirk cousins pick. So whoever is taken 97th overall will be the pick that the Vikings got for allowing Kirk cousins to walk out the door. So that allows us to do a draft simulation. But just if we go through all the things that they've done and don't forget bringing back Byron Murphy, bringing back Aaron Jones, huge, and a little update from earlier, some of the actual contract numbers came out for these players. And it's just so delicious.

How many times this happens, Chris, where the agents they copy, they paste directly from, uh, or the, the insiders directly from the agents. They, they send out the highest possible number. Hey, if Jonathan Allen gets 52 sacks, then he'll make this amount of money and it's a three year contract. And then you actually get your hands on it on over the cap.com. When they put it in the NFL system and you go, Oh,

the Jonathan Allen contract is for two years, not three years, even though it says that and the guaranteed money for Byron Murphy Jr. This is what's interesting too. If you take all of the noise out of the Byron Murphy contract, it's exactly the same as all the other corners. He got to say that the average annual value was higher, but it actually wasn't. And Ben Gessling put it out there earlier

that the total cap hits for 2025 for all the things they've done. Chris, you gotta guess all the things they've done. I don't know if you saw this. What do you think the cap hits in total are for 2025? For Allen, now Hargrave, we don't know yet. OK, OK, I was gonna say Jones, Ryan Kelly, Will Fries. So five guys, four guys, five guys.

Yeah, five guys. They're two thousand twenty five cap. I bet they're thousand twenty five only. Let's say collectively under twenty million dollars. Oh, you're very close. You're very close. And I led you into that twenty two. Twenty two million dollars for them for this year. a collectively under $20 million. Oh, you're very close. You're very close. And I led you into that 22, $22 million for them for this year.

So I guess that does say, by the way, that had the Vikings needed to bring back Sam Darnold, they probably could have done it for one year, but that's not the point. The point is that they have a lot of cap space still left to use if they needed to make a trade if they Needed to make another big signing or multiple other signings. They will have to sign their draft class We'll see how big that ends up being and they have indeed cooked the books

But just that's when we get those initial numbers man, and we go through them and go wow That's when we get those initial numbers, man, and we go through them and go, wow, that's a lot of money for that guy. And then now I got some of the individual contracts up here on over the cap.com Byron Murphy, $6.94 million on his cap hit this year goes up to 20 next year and can be restructured though, to make another $11 million in cap space. It is a wonderful world for the Minnesota Vikings when they have a good cap person and good ownership that is able to spend. So looking at all of those moves though, Chris, the main question is. What should they do in the draft now? If this is kind of it, like if there isn't some other,

Oh, apparently, uh, I, Jonathan, the producer texted me that his tweet didn't include, uh, Jonathan fries or Ryan Kelly yet. So we don't have those. So anyway, let's just assume that it's going to be under $30 million, which means they still have half of their space for 2025 left. That's the point. But let's just say there's not another huge move on the way for the Vikings. And this is their big stuff. And then it's just going to be patchwork for a little depth there, a little depth here. Maybe Harrison Smith comes back at safety. What should be the main target in the draft now with the 24th overall pick? I think it's wide receiver. I mean, it sounds silly. It sounds wide receiver. Wow. I did not expect that answer from you. I think wide receiver. I've been looking at, uh, before we signed on, it's like Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, probably, I mean, arguably a top three to five, uh, wide receiver duo in the NFL. TJ Hawkinson is there I still don't think Kwesi Adafo Mensah would pick a running back in the first round

And to bring back Aaron Jones, I think obviously I don't think that precludes them from picking a running back early But like the Omari and Hampton train I don't feel as strongly about it and I just don't think that that the analytics based GM would do that strongly about it. And I just don't think that the analytics based GM would do that. It's almost because and I'm not saying that because the Vikings have a clear cut need at wide receiver, but like we said at the outset of this and every Vikings fan has been probably celebrating the last 24 hours. Where is the other gigantic need? We didn't even mention

Isaiah Rogers who might be more of a backup corner, but he was playing in the Super Bowl. He made plays in the Super Bowl for the Eagles and went from. Backup reinforcement to a key player for them down the stretch. When James Bradbury wasn't really playing that much anymore on the outside. So they don't have any safety. They don't have any corner. They had huge needs on the interior of their offensive and defensive lines. They address those emphatically.

And then they bring back Aaron Jones who had one of, you know, a resurgence season in his late twenties in this offense. So I don't think, like I said at the outset, I don't think it we are now in a position where we can really pinpoint exactly what the Vikings could do. They could go in 20 different directions. And I think if a Luther Burden is there who's really good after the catch, if they love Matthew Golden speed opposite, uh, Jordan Addison and Justin Jefferson, I wouldn't hate that when you're bringing along JJ McCarthy, who's really getting

his rookie season in his second year in the NFL. So I have seen a few Vikings fans throw out this as well. And one of the things about the Vikings and their history is that three wide receivers is a really special thing here because of the three deep with Randy Moss, Chris Carter and Jake Reed, creating at the time in 1998, the best offense that ever existed. Yes. football history. So no one is going to say, Oh, what, what?

This draft analyst is out of his mind because the thing is, too, with Jordan Addison, he is possibly going to face the suspension next year. And he also has after two years onto his contract, he'll be going into his third year and down the road, he could be a guy that they don't want to extend longterm. But I do think that there's other positions where I can make a little bit stronger of an argument with this draft. Number one is still defensive tackle.

And even though Jonathan Allen is on a two year deal and they're going to bring in Javon Hargrave, those guys are 30 and 32. If you had Derek Harmon and then your defensive line, think about this. Your defensive line is Granard and then you've got Hargrave, Allen, Harmon, Dallas Turner, Andrew Van Ginkle. Like, that's your defensive line. That sounds very Eagles of rotating in 15 different guys who are all awesome. So I'm not against doing that, even though they already signed these two guys.

And Jonathan Allen is on a multi-year type of deal. And what I wonder, too, is we we talked about it last week. It's been a I think it's going to be a focal point to pay attention to this season is we saw last year that they made these splashy signings with Van Ginkle and Granard and then traded up for Dallas Turner, almost aware like this is not going to be our number one rusher immediately. We know that we're okay with that. We're playing the long game. If we're going to trade up and spend extra picks on a first rounder, let's like get the most out of him over the next 10 years and not be upset if he's not the guy in year one. So, you know, Derek Harmon is not 21 years old

and a lot of these really high caliber defensive tackles are a little bit older and they're more NFL ready. But maybe that is starting to be, and you mentioned it, that it's very Eagles-y if they had, you know, a first round defensive tackle and added him to this group that they really bolstered in a big way in free agency. That's what the Eagles have done too. Like they picked Cam Jergens in the second round and I think Travis Kelsey was, or Jason Kelsey was still the center for like two more years. Cam Juergen slides right in in year three and there's not even much of a drop-off at all. They've done that along their

defensive line. They've done it in their secondary for a long time under Howie Roseman. So maybe that is kind of sort of the plan going forward. So I think wide receiver defensive tackle would still make a lot of sense and maybe even safety. If like Malachi Starks falls, if Nick Imanwari falls, given the age of So I think wide receiver defensive tackle would still make a lot of sense and maybe even safety if like Malachi Starks falls if Nick and man worry falls given the age of Harrison Smith and his uncertainty Um, it wouldn't be shocking if they go that route to they'll playing the long game at another position That's not a glaring need now, but could be in 2026, right? And we still don't know yet whether Harrison Smith is coming back or not.

And the Vikings haven't made any safety moves to indicate that he's not. But also he hasn't said that he is. So we'll have to find out in the coming days. Andrew, with the super chat. Thank you so much. Andrew wants to know about Dante Thornton, Jr. from Tennessee. I don't know much about that player. Is that a receiver? He's a receiver. He's literally I feel feel terrible. Andrew, we will get to him

next week. He's like the next on my list. He ran in the mid four threes at the combine. I know that he didn't jump particularly high. Um, but he, I, he's just one that I have not watched it. I've watched like 25 receivers and he's one that I I'm still waiting to get to. So we will talk about him. Thank you for the super chat, but I have not watched him yet. Oh, and I forgot about Harrison Phillips. Great point. So that even adds more to that.

But with the defensive line, you can never have too many players who can go chase the quarterback. So I would be for that. Now, if I'm making the argument for cornerback right now, the cornerback room is McKay Blackman, who I think they really like, but has played about 400 snaps in the NFL and they bring back Byron Murphy Jr. again, a guy who's in a good place in his career after just signing this deal and they feel very solid about him. And you have Isaiah Rogers and then somebody that maybe has a little off your radar in Dwight

McClothern who is an undrafted free agent. I love Dwight. I love him. I think I had like a third round grade on him and didn't he go undrafted but played well in the preseason. He was so like I'm literally having flashbacks right now of him at Arkansas. So smooth and fluid, not a good athlete, but always around the football somehow in the SEC. It was like, how is he doing this? And I remember, I think in our post draft show last year, or was it two years ago now, talking about him that he was like a draft crusher mind that I was bummed that wasn't picked as high as I ultimately had him. So that's why I just had to

interrupt there because I definitely remembered him. And this is why you're the official draft analyst of Purple Insider, because I just threw a Vikings undrafted free agent at you, and you cover all 32 teams in the draft, and you were on top of it. And your description is exactly right. He is a big guy who clearly makes plays on the football, and they like him a lot. He had a ton of interceptions and past deflections and camp.

He was great in the joint practices, but this is a guy who, you know, he's an undrafted free agent and is developing. So I could still see them looking at the cornerback position as needing to develop just more bodies back there, feeling like they've got the front seven pretty well locked up with some veterans for the next couple of years. And then the secondary is the point of weakness. The safety position is a hard one for me, Chris, because I just don't love spending the high picks on it.

And I know that Starks has got a lot of hype and is a good player. And Vikings fans would probably freak out at the Vikings signed or drafted another Georgia safety. But I would suggest don't like he's a talented player, but that position the Vikings through the years have found and developed those guys and the latest is Theo Jackson who they're allowing to replace uh, KM Bynum who went and signed a huge contract with Indianapolis and I know Harrison Smith has been the difference maker, but that position. Look at the prices.

The prices actually at safety have not been crazy for Justin Reed. I didn't even think Javon Holland considering his talent got some wild number. So I'm not really into the safety idea corner. I very much am. And then the running back is where the interesting discussion is. Guard is also another one they could still do because we've talked about this in this draft in particular, when you just search guards in the draft, you probably miss half the players who could play guard,

who could be drafted at number 24 overall, because there are some tackles who a lot of people think could end up being guards. So I like the idea. I think they'll sign another veteran. I like the idea of having an older Ryan Kelly, will fries in his prime, Darasa and O'Neill and their primes and then bringing in a kid who's got some freaky talent. I like a gray's able for this. We're going to do a draft simulation to see how it would play out now that,

you know, PFFs updating their stuff and or or a Donovan Jackson, uh, Randall mentions. I like the idea of putting a young guy with a ton of talent surrounded by these veterans who have been around and or high level players. That seems like a smart idea. And it speaks exactly to what is happening with Dallas Turner right now that he is a young player was 21 years

old as a rookie playing and learning from very nuanced quality athletes in Van Ginkle and Jonathan Granada. And he would get that if he was playing left guard next to John, uh, Christian Derrissa and Ryan Kelly, he would be able to learn so much and just get fast tracked playing that position. And I know we talk about offensive line as a weak, uh, link system where if there's one guy who's not great. Yes, that can bring down the entire group, but it feels like they would

almost be able to help a rookie come along a little bit faster. Gray's able to me would be the swing for the fences where if he hits, you might have the best offensive line for the next seven years in the NFL. Donovan Jackson is a little bit safer because he is, is traditionally a guard. He had to play left tackle last season at Ohio state after Josh Simmons got hurt. But six, four, three 25 big recruit, like look the parts, super clean film. I could see him being the pick and plug it in. And then they would be able to maintain what we talked about for less

like three years, that awesome environment for a young quarterback to thrive with clearly one of the best offensive lines in the NFL. When we talk about anything that the Vikings are going to do in the draft, I think we always have to now angle it toward what's going to be the best thing for JJ McCarthy. I buy into a DT still, I buy into a corner still, and having a top five defense is a good thing you can do for JJ McCarthy so he doesn't have so much pressure to completely dominate offensively or have to go back and forth scoring. And I think they have the defense to be in the top five again,

like they were last year. But on the offensive side, adding someone who has freakish type of talent along with those veterans. And I'm just thinking about the left side of the line. Gray Zable with his athleticism, what we saw at the combine to go along with Christian Derrissau says to me that your running game is going to have some success and that that side of the line is not going to be something you have to worry too much about. So I am still, uh, very much sold on the idea of drafting a guard there. And then the running back is more of a debate because if the Vikings, now you are not as high on a Marion Hampton as a lot of analysts are, but if the Vikings absolutely loved a running back, that's another thing that you can do for J.J. McCarthy is to be able to give him that running game.

I think about Jalen hurts this year. Jalen hurts. I thought had a really good season. Then you look at his numbers and go, but he didn't have to throw the ball a lot. And then he got to the Super Bowl and had to throw the ball a lot and was was tremendous. But they were able to lean on their run game. They were able to get leads and dominate and then play defense where the Eagles had a really good defense. And since they set the standard,

we're gonna base everything off of them. But I think we've seen enough success from top drafted running backs. Even McCaffrey was a borderline MVP, Saquon, Jameer Gibbs. Like now we're seeing a lot more of these hit when teams do it, which is more convincing to me. And the prices for great running backs are going up too.

It's more convincing to me than it ever would have been in the past. And I know that you are generally totally out on drafting running backs to the first round. I would have been completely with you in years past. But now you have a team where everybody's putting their attention on Jefferson. Everybody's putting their attention on the deep passing game. The Vikings had a better deep passing game than almost anybody in the league. Last year, I assume that Kevin O'Connell is not changing his stripes there.

What I'm interested in is not just somebody who can run with light boxes, but also a check down option. Sam Darnold didn't really know what that was, but I think from us watching JJ McCarthy closely last year, he was actually really good at that. Like getting to his check down and through his reads. I think that it's not an argument that sells me completely in a draft like this with a lot of good running backs, but I'm closer to that than I've ever been before. Well, here's what I wonder. And I'm not backtracking what I said earlier, and I still maintain my stance, especially in this running

back class that 96 or whatever it is, 96, 97 pick, like that feels like a better, much obviously better value at running back than going in the first round, pick 24. I just wonder if, although I said earlier that I think Kwasi Adafo-Mensa being an analytics-based GM would never pick a running back in the first round, maybe everything that you just explained and the running back renaissance that we saw with Saquon at the top with the Eagles

and Derrick Henry and Josh Jacobs, if maybe like the analytics GM understands, all right, this is not the greatest value in the world, but it actually has more value because of the impact it has on our let's call him a rookie quarterback. Our first year starter. That was a first round pick that we are fully invested in now. And we have a really good offensive line. And that was key to Saquon Barkley having his season

and Derek Henry, and then even Josh Jacobs to a certain degree that maybe this is like kind of the zigging when everyone else is zagging where it was such a suppressed market, both in the draft and in free agency last year that completely changed and there was massive success. So in a vacuum, I wouldn't pick a running back in the first round, but for a situation like the Vikings,

like you're saying, I could be convinced that if they love someone there, who they will then use quite a bit in the offense, then I can be, I guess, convinced that it wasn't the worst possible decision. But I would go in a different direction overall with that first pick, especially because they don't have that second rounder. Well, and now they have number 97 in the third round because of the comp pick everybody celebrate, but that to me is where and I generally overall agree with you,

unless they really were super sold on it. I look at the third round as such a hot zone for where the Vikings, right. A really good running back. So instead of talking about it anymore, I think we should do a draft sim here and take a look at what this is going to look like. So I'll, I'll screen share this with you here. Let's do it. What I got. Uh, I got the PFF draft simulator going and anybody who can play along with this, let's get our little face. This is one of my favorite things to do every draft season. Yes, it is. Absolutely. So why not the live drafts?

And then we can have everybody who's watching grade our draft. So we'll go seven rounds, but that's only four picks for the Vikings right now. Uh, I think, I think let's just pick four people for this draft. Sim let's just pick the four picks they have. I think we both know that they're going to trade down, but let's just see how it plays out. So let's start the draft here and see what's on the board.

Well, let's see how it played out first with the top of the draft in Tennessee. It looks like after they're not getting any of these quarterbacks, they might have to go cam ward at the top. And as we get closer to where the Vikings are, Emmanuari has been brought up with the Vikings if they want a safety, but he is probably going super high now. Will Johnson dropping a little in this draft. Kenneth Grant going kind of high here. Melkai Starks and the Vikings on the board.

Let's take a look at just the positions that they need. Can we see this? Do I need to make this a little bigger? Maybe I need to make this, is that better? Yeah, I mean, I don't know if all the viewers could. That's better. No, that's better. We got interior offensive line.

We'll throw tackles in there because a lot of them can move to guard. We'll throw corners and we will put in running back and still interior defensive line just for the heck of it. So the available players best available players, Kelvin Banks, who could play guard, Derek Harmon, Darius Alexander has been intriguing to me. Walter Nolan, O'Marian Hampton running back, Gray Zable, the offensive lineman. TJ Sanders is interesting.

Both Trey Amos and Maxwell Hairston and Siobhan Revelle. Tyler Booker here. There is a lot to do here. This is what I'm saying. This is perfect for the Vikings. They did what you're supposed to do as a contending team. Do not go into the first round with a clear, oh we need to have all the cornerbacks fall to us to have the pick of the litter there. That is a pretty reasonable draft scenario for the Vikings at 24. And you could, I mean, I don't even know what to say. We could go in a bunch of different directions.

And like you're, I think you're kind of insinuating here with what you're doing, trading down would be the like obvious move. You wouldn't wanna get totally fleeced on the draft pick value chart, but I think Quacey would see Derek Harman and Hampton and the corners available. And even my guy Luther Burden at wide receiver still there

and Gray Zable still available. Kelvin Banks would probably be the highest rated consensus player of those. But trading back would be so advantageous for the Vikings to do. And it feels more and more likely after they filled so many needs in free agency. As you were talking, I traded back. Perfect. That's what you should have done.

I traded with Washington down to number 29. I picked up number 79 and had to give them 140. So let's get back to the draft. Here's who we passed up on trading down from 24 to 29. Tyler Booker, Colson Loveland is a tight end, Maxwell Harrison who I like, and then all the two defensive tackles went off the board.

That's a little bit tough for us. So now let me sort again by how this looks now with the Viking needs and we'll throw in that and we'll throw in safety including. So now we've still got Kelvin Banks, Darius Alexander, Gray Zabel, O'Marian Hampton and Tylek Williams maybe, but both the corners too. I will let the draft analysts make the pick here. the corners too. I will let the draft analyst make the pick here. I'm going to go Kelvin Banks because he is a collegiate tackle. He's probably better at guard, gives you a little bit insurance if you know, Christian Darasaw coming off an injury, Brian O'Neill had the injury two years ago. Just to have that as an insurance policy where this guy

was a three year starter at tackle, um, at Texas, smooth athlete, big body, 320 pounds, the pass protection ability I love on film. I don't think he's an amazing run blocker, but the pass blocking is really, really good. And you figure at guard, not as much, uh, play on an Island. I think Calvin banks would make a lot of sense for the Vikings there. We're doing it and his run block grade was still pretty good. Oh, it's pretty hard. Okay.

And his past block grade was elite. And it kind of reminds me actually of Connor Williams, who was a tackle at Texas and then moved inside and had a great career. So here we are. He moved all the way to center too, yeah. Yeah, right, he ended up moving to center. So now, because we got the 79th overall pick by trading down,

we have a pick now at number 79 and on the board, I'm just going to keep putting up the Viking needs for us to look at what we could probably take linemen off. So still I would say corner interior line. I'll throw safety in there for right now for positions that they would take along with running back. I'm throwing out your wide receiver there for right now for positions that they would take along with running back I'm throwing out your wide receiver one for right now. We'll take a look at that. Maybe a little later So here's what we got on the board Benjamin Morrison RJ Harvey who you know how much I like him

Got a few interesting safeties DJ Giddens is kind of a like not as much talked about guy at running back Devin Neal the couple of corners here and Jacob Parish, Dorian Strong for Virginia Tech and from Kansas State. Dion Walker really hurt his draft stock. Does Dion Walker make any sense here? Or do you think he hurt his draft stock so much that still probably not the right pick?

This is pick 79. I think here he would make sense And you would hope that again We talked about it with if it would be maybe Derek Harmon in round one having a lot of these veterans around him and not Having immense pressure on him to be the guy right away But even still after a slight trade back only five picks to get to 79. I absolutely love Benjamin Morrison. I do not know about his injury history. He had a hip injury, um, in high school.

And then I believe again at Notre Dame, he only played a few games this season. On film. I really, really liked his ability, um, in zone and man mirroring through the roof. I think he can be awesome with Brian Flores, but I don't know if that would be the pick because of the injury concerns. Man, this is tough. Kevin Winston is, if he would have been able to test,

he's another injury guy, best tackler I've watched since Brian Branch at the safety position. Like he is an amazing tackler. In 2023, he like barely had any missed tackles. It shows there on PFF, zero missed tackles in 2023. Like unbelievable athlete, 6'2", over 200 pounds. He would be a really fun like,

heir apparent to Harrison Smith. Man, there's so many possibilities. What position do you think at 79 makes more sense running back? Maybe I mean, R.J. Harvey, I think is between Devin Singletary and Bucky Irving. Maybe not a full time, like 250 carry guy, but you need more explosive plays. R.J. Harvey is the guy to do it. I do really, really like R.J.

Harvey, and I've talked about him probably 10 times already on this podcast because he was so good at the combine. He averaged six and a half yards of carry in college. He's an explosive play monster. But let's just you and I can't tell about the medicals. Like we didn't get a peek behind the curtain there. And also, the other thing is, I think what's very clear even through free agency and the Vikings drafting is that they are willing to take risks

when it comes to drafting guys with medical issues. Now it's burned him a couple times signing Marcus Davenport or drafting Andrew Booth Jr. But at the same time, Aaron Jones last year had some injury issues and it worked out for them. I cannot pass on Benjamin Morrison. I think he's too high end of a prospect for them at a position that they need. And so, and I also think when I look at this list and I go, Oh, I would take Harvey. Oh, I would also take Giddens. I would also take Neil. I would also take,

so at the running back position, I think we're going to be okay there at 97. So let's go Benjamin Morris. Yeah. And we got a comment from Tim Burrows slicing cornerback greater than running back. And that's true. Like positional value wise, you re-sign Aaron Jones. You mentioned they like their cornerback room, but they probably don't feel like, oh, this is the strength of our roster at this point.

So it would make sense just even if they had R.J. Harvey and Benjamin Morrison graded closely and you know factoring in medicals and all that you probably should lean cornerback in that situation. I totally agree and for me it's about the depth of this draft when it comes to running back is so good and we saw that at the combine there's just so many good players there. So we've got an offensive lineman, we've got a corner. We could still look interior D line. We could still look safety. And I think also we could start to expand this to wide receiver

now that we're getting to the third round to just see what's out there at wide receiver. The top one for PFF is Tez Johnson. I am out on that idea. He is past the threshold of being too small for me. Top running back here is Devin Neal from Kansas, who's interesting. Isaiah Bond, the guy who said he was going to run faster than Xavier Worthy, but still he got made fun of a lot, but he still ran really fast.

Ran 439. Yeah. Oh, by the way, I always mentioned that I'm going to say my NFL comparisons for Kelvin Banks. It is Jedrick Neal, who was a first round offensive tackle by the Cleveland Browns, similar body type. Neal was good pre-injury in the first couple seasons of his career in Cleveland. And this is going to seem obscure, but for Benjamin Morrison, I loved,

this is a very obscure name, Jacorian Bennett, who's actually been a pretty good return on investment fourth round pick from the Raiders out of Maryland, played on the same secondary as Deontay Banks, who was a first rounder by the Giants, just athletic man coverage type. For Devin Neal, who I'm leaning toward, I think he's like Chris Carson. He is big. He is effortlessly powerful.

The cutting skill is pretty good. His elusiveness was higher in terms of percentage, in terms of miss tackles forced than you normally see at like six foot and 225 pounds across multiple seasons. This was not just a 24 year old who, you know, was older and wiser and more experienced in the competition. Devin Neal feels like he could be that bruiser to Aaron Jones, ran a lot of wide zone,

zone blocking scheme type plays at Kansas. He would be really intriguing here. And I think proper value at what the 97th pick. I think so too. And even though Dion Walker is intriguing with dropping this far down, the fact that they have a very deep defensive tackle room now, including Levi Drake Rodriguez, who they're developing,

uh, Jalen Redmond, who they're developing. So we don't need to do that unless that guy is going to be a game changer. Plus he has, I think, some very serious red flags with the way that he performed at the combine and the fact that he didn't have crazy tape to begin with, you were going to be drafting off of that athleticism that wasn't there. So I wouldn't even hate CJ West, honestly, from Indiana, but he has a little bit. He did have a great combine. I think he's a little bit capped in terms of what he can do as a pass rusher.

Well, I guess he had pretty good pass rush rate in his final season at Indiana. I think he's like a ready to go run defender. He reminds me a lot of Ali McNeil from the Lions, similar combine, similar body type. It's kind of that nose tackle, but it feels like if we're going back, reverting to, let's make things nicer and more,

even more comfy for JJ McCarthy, a great compliment to Aaron Jones, I think would be Devon Neal. And again, at 97, this is like the sweet spot for where, if I was a GM, I would pick almost a running back every year. I completely agree. And I was considering pushing this trade button just to see, but you know, when I look at the other running backs here,

I think that this is where there is a significant drop off after Devin Neal. So we are going to draft Devin Neal and now we have almost no draft picks left. It's fine. That's fine. So now we are all the way to number one 61 and Hey, some quarterbacks are here. If the Vikings want to draft a backup for JJ McCarthy, but I don't, this is where I would like to take a wide receiver or maybe a development safety,

but you made a noise when I called up wide receiver. What was the noise? Oh my God, Jaylen Lane, go look at his profile, which I guess the contested catches aren't great, but the combine he ran I think 432 434 The I don't know if if if PFF has them in there yet So good out of the slot. He kind of reminds me of a more charged up Josh Downs I don't know if that's really what the Vikings want or need in their offense,

but I really was okay. He ran four, three, four. I was just a really big fan of his on film. And what I like for him too, you think, okay, Josh Downs, he's little. You think Tank Dell five, 10, one 91, 40 inch vertical, 11 foot broad jump, 6.75 seconds in the three cone. And it translates when I'm talking twitchiness. He's one of the players that I wrote he looks like his feet are in fast forward when he's on the field. So I don't know you probably have a better grasp of like if they like that possession slot receiver in the offense because that's kind of what he is but at, four, he did get down the field and make plays on those slot fades where those vertical routes down the field as well.

Jalen Lane to me would be the one that would stand out, but we could potentially go in a different position. If it's wide receiver, I would emphatically pound the table for the Virginia Tech wide receiver. So we're at number 161 here and I don't want to toy around too much with trading down, but I am considering trading down because if we like Lane and his average draft position is one ninety four, but we're at one sixty one, then we probably should trade down and try to get more.

But for the just intent of the draft to mostly focus on the higher parts of it, let's get it. Let's get it. And I think just by the way, exactly what you're talking about on quick Twitch, fast underneath, I've been talking about that a lot on the show is something that the Vikings really need because they have a lot of the same type of wide receiver for deep guys and they don't have a yards after catch wide receiver in a league that is trending

more average depth of target coming down. I know it's not in Minnesota, but that's also because of this guy who wears number 18 and with JJ McCarthy, he's going to throw underneath more than Sam Darnold did. Like Darnold is a deep shot guy, but McCarthy I think is a little more discerning and a little more wanting to pick apart teams underneath. So here's our draft. If they were picking four guys at number 29, 79, 97, we swapped with the Washington commanders

and we end up with Calvin Banks as a guard, Benjamin Morrison as a corner, Devin Neal running back, and then a wide receiver in Jalen Lane. They will draft more people than this. I promise they will. They will trade down. They'll have six, seven, eight picks. But if this is the way it plays out, Chris, what would you grade this draft? This would be an A.

I mean, I have a very, I think like mid first round grade on Calvin Banks. I have a late first or mid to late first round great on Benjamin Morrison. But again, he's the caveat and he could still be there second, third round because of the injuries that I don't, I'm not privy to. Devin Neal, that's right around, I think I have him maybe a little bit lower than that just because I have running backs

in terms of my position addition. They get no position addition, but he's the exact compliment that I think the Vikings need with Aaron Jones in the backfield, who's that sleeker, faster, slasher type. Devin Neal is not just a battering ram, he's got contact balance, can shoulder a big workload. We saw that at Kansas. And Jalen Lane, one last thing that I'll try to sell on why I like him so much, and I was really excited about this draft, this pretend drafts and

that we were doing to see him there in the sixth round. His career missed tackle force rate at Virginia Tech. And I'm going to say as a, as a caveat, a lot of these slot receivers that are possession guys, that number is not very high for them. They catch the ball, they get open, they fall down. His was 26.6%, which that is extremely high especially if that is what if you are mostly a slot receiver who's underneath intermediate level and only occasionally getting down the field. So I said Josh Downs and we think that is like the the new age consummate possession slot receiver.

Jalen Lane can give you after the catch ability too and I think that was what gravitated the Vikings toward Jordan Addison, because despite being a little smaller for him, he was really good after the catch at Pittsburgh as well. So that was fun. And we can do that a bunch more times as we get more information. I think with the way the Vikings have set up their contracts with very low twenty twenty five cap hits,

it does make you wonder if they have some more things in store in terms of potentially big signings, which could alter the way we look at this. I mean, if they went out and signed another guard to a three year contract worth $15 million a year, then we're not taking Kelvin Banks in the first round. I mean, I like the idea of best player available, but you also can't draft guys who are going to be stuck and won't be able to get on the field or find a role for now. Finding a guard and getting a cornerback for the future that you can develop, getting a running back who could contribute right away. I think those are the things exactly what the Vikings are looking for. I do want to get your opinion, Chris, on some other big moves in the NFL and just your thoughts on kind of the quarterback carousel.

But let me just ask you this before we get to that. JJ McCarthy is coming off a year where he played in virtual reality only, and he really impressed the Vikings and training camp. I know I told you that probably, I don't know how many times, uh, when you asked me in camp, how's he looking, how's he looking? I was like, uh, way better than I thought. And clearly played well enough for the Vikings to allow Sam Darnold to go or not try to top Seattle's offer or not try to talk them into it. Maybe they did to some extent, but he chose Seattle instead.

So now JJ McCarthy, it's your time. And I'm dismissing for now, Aaron Rogers suggestions because, uh, Adam Schafter has said Pittsburgh and he said the New York giants. So there's some other people that may have been getting information sent to them from Aaron Rogers that I don't really trust, but we've got nothing indicating the Vikings would actually do that. So it's the JJ McCarthy show seeing what they've spent so far around him. Veteran Aaron Jones, veteran lineman stocking up the defense.

What is a realistic expectation for JJ McCarthy in his first year as a starter, knowing what you thought of him as a draft prospect and what I've told you about how he looked at the best possible version of that in last year's training camp? Are we talking a statistical breakdown like numbers across the board or just general, like how he's perceived after his second season? I think whatever way you want to do it, like where should we set the bar? What should we expect from him? I mean, statistical expectation is kind of a weird way to do it. Like, I don't know, 26 touchdown. You know what I mean?

Like what should we think of how many wins he should lead them to? Uh, what type of tier he should put himself in. Like what's realistic. We know what the best case scenario is, is that he's just unbelievable right away and they win the Superbowl and everything else. Yeah. Sloths is a 17 and O unanimous MVP, obviously.

But what, what is, uh, realistic in your mind? I think what's realistic is for JJ McCarthy to be the quarterback that he was at Michigan. And I think because everything that happened with the first round quarterbacks last year, JJ McCarthy, obviously going down early in what August that it he's kind of the forgotten guy when we watched, I mean, you and I did a show where we like, I think I watched like a random JJ McCarthy game after scouting him and like rewrote a scouting report and we talked about it.

I was like, this is a maybe not transcendent prospect, but a very calm, cool and collected quarterback in a system that was very good. They could run the football. They trusted their defense. They had pretty good weapons and certainly he's got better weapons now relative to the competition than what he had at Michigan and didn't make a lot of mistakes. And then when they did need him to improvise, create outside of the pocket, make that one

big throw in the fourth quarter like he did to Colston Loveland in the national title game on a third down, he did it. So I think playing to that level where it felt from an outsider's perspective, where you weren't grading him as a draft prospect, like, Oh, what did JJ McCarthy do? They just had a good offensive line and good running game, Blake Corum and Donovan Edwards. But when you actually watched him and said, all right, let's see the traits.

You saw pretty big arm. You saw pretty good accuracy, the decision-making pretty good, pocket navigation skills ascending from the time when he started at Michigan to just play to that level. And I think that breeds winning football when your quarterback is accurate, not putting the ball in precarious situations. So a low turnover worthy play rate doesn't necessarily, and I don't think he had many 375 yard passing performances at Michigan, but there's probably more upside in Minnesota

because of Justin Jefferson, because of Jordan Addison, things like that. I think to just play at a level that he's familiar and it's, I'm kind of hinting that I think he can play to that level where the upper level game manager without the negative connotation, where if you do get into a tough game against the lions, you, you need a two or three quality throws or one scramble on third and seven to pick up the first down. That's where the light kind of comes on for JJ McCarthy. And you're like, Oh, he actually is a pretty good athlete like that ridiculous.

What one handed catching the Rose bowl against Alabama on the trick play where it looked like it was a disaster catches it makes an Alabama defender miss gets the first down things like that, where he kind of pulled those rabbits out of his hat. That's what he did throughout his entire career when it was called upon for him to do that. So I think playing to that level would be the realistic expectation given what quasi Adapho Mensa and Kevin O'Connell have really created for him in Minnesota. Steve says Brock Purdy with a cannon. Yeah, I think,

I think that type of game manager, when you say it, you immediately think of what, like a very limited athlete or something who just kind of tries to keep the ball in the fairway. But I don't think it's that anymore. I don't think when we talk about guys who manage the game, like Justin Herbert last year played the role of a game manager. And then when he needed to take it to a higher level,

I know it didn't work out in the playoffs, but when he needed to take it to a higher level, he's got the physical talent to be able to do that. Didn't turn the ball over. They played great defense. They ran the ball. But the thing with Kevin O'Connell is I don't think he views that position as being all that possible to be a game manager. And he tried to do it a little bit with Sam Darnold last year, early

in the season, because they were winning a lot. So they were handing off on first down more often and they were getting ahead. And then they would try to dial it back a little. But even then he would be like, you know, let's just take a deep shot. I mean, they're winning in that San Francisco game. They get backed up to the three yard line. Why don't we just try to throw a 97 yard touchdown? And they did.

I think for J.J. McCarthy, that it definitely makes sense to try to keep like longer drives with him. Stay on the field, not throw it into traffic too much run the football, but I also know Kevin O'Connell well enough to know that I wouldn't be surprised if he's throwing 600 passes and I think that that's okay. I really do.

I mean, they need to improve as a running game. And there's no question about that. And if you're winning a lot of games, you'll run more just out of the nature of trying to close out games. But I think I'm okay with the idea of JJ McCarthy being a different player than he was in college. And I kind of think about, I kind of think about CJ Stroud for JJ McCarthy.

And I know Stroud came out as such a polished thrower of the football. So that's a little different, but McCarthy has had another year to polish himself as a thrower and improved. But what I mean is as soon as the guy arrives, he's the dude and it's, it's your offense. It's your team off we go. And I think that's what it's going to be for JJ McCarthy. Like I in my brain when he was drafted, I was thinking a lot of the same things. Like is he going to be a Matt Hasselback type was kind of handing off a lot and

then taking some deep shots and he's going to bring toughness and leadership. But after seeing the way he commanded the offense, I think they're going to try to continue to load up the line. I do agree with your idea of like wide receivers not insane because they just want more weapons around this guy. And off we go into the JJ McCarthy era. I just feel like Kevin O'Connell is not going to be the type of guy who tries to put his quarterback in a bit of a bubble and protects him. He's the same one that when he got here with Kirk cousins, after those years of Kubiak handing off play action and he said shotgun 80% of the time, let's go. And yeah, they got a lot more out of Kirk in some ways than they ever had before.

I'm interested in how that goes, but I think his year behind the scenes, he should understand all the moving parts. He's just got to kind of do it. Yeah. How about the Nick Mullins 400 yard game? Like when, when, when, when Nick Mullins went in there. Yeah. Like Nick Mullins comes in and it's like, Oh, this is like a backup. He's, you know, and then even, Joshua Dobbs playing like, and,

and not just throwing the ball 15 times. So I think you're right on the history. And it's, it's fine that we slightly disagree there that you want him to be more or the realistic comparison for him would be being more than he was at Michigan. Why don't we split hairs and say. September he's the Michigan JJ McCarthy by mid October, get into those, you know, critical AFC or NFC North games, October, November.

Then you start to take the training wheels off a little bit. And I think that's the best way to do it at the quarterback position, to not necessarily ask him to be, you know, like Cam Newton was right away, had a 400 yard game, what, in his first or second game in the NFL to do it by game eight, game nine, game 10, where he is a little bit more comfortable and he feels, uh, more confident pulling the trigger down the field to Jordan Edison and Justin Jefferson. So I think, yeah, being in that, where he was at Michigan all the way up to

CJ Stroud as a rookie, I don't think that's completely out of the realm of possibility. And one thing I'll say about CJ Strauss rookie season, that is another Kyle, or that was another Kyle Shanahan coaching tree disciple in Bobby Slauick, a lot of play action, they still ran the football quite a bit, play action, play action, or run the ball, run the ball, then play action,

deep shot to Nico Collins down the field. That was kind of the blueprint there as well. And the last thing I'll say, I think what JJ McCarthy gives this team is what Sam Darnold couldn't And the last thing I'll say, I think what JJ McCarthy gives this team is what Sam Darnold couldn't in the last game against the Lions. And then in the playoffs, those off script plays where JJ McCarthy is a better athlete and he just has a better grasp for making those improvisational plays. He just has a knack for it more so than you look at Darnold. He can move, but he's never even back to his USC days.

That was never his cup of tea doing things athletically, completely off script where he has to ad lib outside of the pocket. McCarthy has done that throughout the course of his career at Michigan. So I think that's where he, and probably why the Vikings feel comfortable with. Obviously letting Sam Darnold sign with the Seattle Seahawks. I think the key about the Rams game in the playoffs is that they're not going to let. J.J. McCarthy die because of the offensive line. I think that's that is one of the main goals,

because I don't think any quarterback in the league wins that game the way that the Rams dominated. And I think we could say that after the way that my home's played in the Super Bowl, it was the same kind of thing. I think the biggest difference between him and Sam Darnold is that JJ McCarthy is willing to pick you apart slowly and methodically if he, if he wants to. And this was something that Kirk Cousins did overall pretty well, uh, under Kevin O'Connell, which is, Hey, I'm going to take the short something. If it's there, I'm going to take the best read that's there.

And I'm not going to try to force everything. I'm not going to try to make crazy plays. Sam Darnold so often tried to do that down the field, which also turned out to be amazing sometimes the throw against Seattle, the throw against the Atlanta Falcons, where he scrambled to the outside through the 50 yard touchdown to Jefferson. It created some of the best moments when he did that. But also McCarthy, I think is a little more discerning. I think he sees the middle of the field better.

That's the one thing about Sam Darnold that maybe held him back at times is that he's not so much of a drop back read, read, read, throw. It's more of a drop back. Oh, I need to whip this 37 yards to the outside hash with anticipation. That's always been his game. That's his game. And I think that that allows KOC because the one of the biggest criticisms of last year was like they're underneath game.

It wasn't that they didn't have one or it didn't succeed. It was that they didn't use it a lot. But that's maybe the quarterback's decision making as well. So I do think that KOC has essentially his fundamental things that he's going to do. But I agree with what you're saying that last year when they were bringing along Sam Darnold, those first couple of games, it was a lot of run first and play action. It was almost Kubiakian or Shanahan like right off the bat.

It wasn't just hey, run everything that became later on in the season, especially when they lost their saw and they couldn't run as well. But I mean, I just think we know KOC that this is and you mentioned Josh jobs. I mean, Josh jobs had like three interceptions and he's still having Dobbs drop back and throw against Chicago. Like that's always who he's going to be. And McCarthy is going to sink or swim with this thing. Let me ask you this.

How big because I know Sean McVay was like doing it like 80 or 90 percent of the time. How big has KOC been on 11 personnel and rolling out three wide receivers? I would say not like McVeigh was at one time that got talked about all the time. They do it more often than they don't, but they also have two really good tight ends and Josh Oliver and TJ Hockinson. They do a lot of that and run the football out of two tight ends a lot. So they do a lot of that and run the football out of two tight ends a lot. So they do some heavier personnel. He is kind of a little bit of a mix between like Bruce Arians throw down the

field all the time and then shana Hanny type stuff with bringing in bigger bodies, they use the full back. I mean, I'm very interested because I think what he's going to do is assess during the off season program, what McCarthy is most comfortable with. And this is something that he's talked about a ton is the comfort level of JJ McCarthy. So last question for you, man, live an hour just flies by when we're talking about. Yeah, around the NFL. Anything you want, what's been on your mind?

What are you writing about? What are you talking about most with your colleagues at CBS guys got Mike Renner now it's a stacked roster you got for the draft analyst. Based on these last couple days, what has been at the forefront of your mind? Um, that Dan Moore got a gigantic deal that was bigger than that was bigger than Spencer Brown's deal with the bills. And Dan Moore was maybe, I mean, you know more about the PFF grades than I do. He may have been PFF's lowest graded, like starting, like full-time starting tackle,

and just got paid because he was available. Like that was one where it's like the Titans seem, they're trying, but they still seem like one of the most barren rosters in the NFL. And they'll pick probably Cam Ward who might be able to make it, but is not a number one overall caliber talent. That's what I've been kind of focused on. Like what would the Titans do?

And then that was like their big first signing. And the other thing, the Patriots, not quite as splashy as the Minnesota Vikings, but they have their quarterback in Drake May and they've been very aggressive signing Milton Williams, um, Morgan Moses, the right tackle. So not surprising that the Patriots, I think went into the free agency period with the most cap space in the NFL, like 121, $122 million had to spend it somewhere, not as great of a free agent class as normal

maybe, but we're starting to see that these teams that have these quarterbacks on rookie deals are loading up. The one last thing that we were talking about today in our Slack group was everything that I just said about the Patriots does not apply to the Texans. Like to trade Laramie Tunsil, who was clearly your best blocker, along an offensive line that otherwise was really bad for CJ Stroud. His interceptions, his interception rate was up,

his sacks, his sack rate was up in year two. You still have Stroud for probably one more year, incredibly cheap relative to how good he is, and you trade him away, and you don't even get all the picks back in 25. You get a few in 26. It was a very weird situation. I don't hate them trading Kenny on green who we talked about last week that might be a Tyler Booker comparison because he was not, he was just was a bust of a early first round pick, but they have a lot of offensive reinforcement

or offensive line reinforcement to do and the Vikings signed two offensive linemen to, to fortify their interior of the offensive line when they have the rookie quarterback or the young quarterback on the rookie deal, very perplexing what's happening in Houston. Um, when, you know, midway through 2024, it felt like this was going to be the new contending team with, with Stroud and Nico Collins and, and ascending defense. And now they've kind of dismantled what was already a very weak

spot, um, their offensive line. For me, obviously no surprise. It's the NFC North and how Detroit went out. Detroit goes out and gets one of the best corners to take over for Carlton Davis. Now their corners with Amique Robertson and DJ Reed, two guys who have given Justin Jefferson problems. You think Jefferson's in their head after all those years of destroying the Detroit Lions.

But if I were them, I would make moves to try to stop Jefferson as well. And the Packers just doing weird. I mean, I don't really get the Aaron Banks thing. They haven't done a whole lot. And Chicago has done exactly what you thought they were going to do. Where Chicago is going to be a lot better as a running team. Are they going to be a better pass pro team? I'm not convinced.

Is their quarterback going to just hang on to the ball and still get sacked? 68 times? Possibly. I think that they have though built what they want there with Ben Johnson and he's trying to emulate exactly what they did with the Lions, which is stack up the line first, worry about everything else after that. Do you think that the Bears, because I've seen now that they're an Ashton Gentey team, like do you think the Bears are an Ashton Genti team? Yes, because of the Jameer Gibbs experience that Ben Johnson just had the last two years.

And that was one where I think even more so than Saquon Barkley and Derek Henry this year, rookie year, Jameer Gibbs year to Jameer Gibbs, where he took over after David Montgomery got injured like late in the season. But really explosive player on the outside, the screen game. He to me was like, hey, that was maybe worth a first round pick because you're getting him at a relatively cheap amount of money at 22, 23 years old, home run hitter. That's kind of what Ashton Gentey is. I think Gibbs is more explosive, he might be the most just purely explosive running back in football today, and if we're seeing the

Bears follow the Lions blueprint with what Ben Johnson just experienced in Detroit, why would he not be kind of saying, yeah, I could really use a very explosive, you know, do everything running back that we're not going to necessarily give huge money in five years, but we could utilize him for year two and the next few seasons of the Caleb Williams era. It's going to be interesting to see how the rest of this plays out and we'll do the same exercise. I'm sure after all the dust is settled with the Vikings and we'll have some different things.

We'll, we'll maybe do a mega trade down episode at some point where we trade down and get 10 picks and then compare that. Or maybe we should do dueling drafts and see who's better. Uh, there's a lot of draft discussion to go. So many possibilities. Absolutely. So many activities. That's why there's a weekly leading up to the draft Chris

Trapaso draft show here on purple insider and must follow over at cbs sports.com and on Twitter at Chris Trapaso Draft Show here on Purple Insider and must follow over at CBSsports.com and on Twitter at Chris Trapaso. So dude, this was great. I love doing this live. I'm sure that we'll do it live again with such an audience here. Hopefully everybody comes back when we do it again next time, but great stuff. And you and I will talk very soon, my friend. This was a lot of fun. Thanks, Matt. Thanks, Chris. Appreciate you, man. And football, we will definitely talk very soon, my friend. This was a lot of fun. Thanks, Matt. Thanks, Chris. Appreciate you, man. And football, we will definitely talk again soon. All right.

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