Purple Insider - a Minnesota Vikings and NFL podcast - Jordan Addison's trial date set -- is this a pivot point? (Part 2)

Episode Date: June 17, 2025

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So let's, uh, why don't we, uh, bring in Maggie Robinson. Now, as I mentioned earlier, we were having a little bit of, uh, popping audio. So let me know guys, if, uh, everything sounds okay. And then I'll just know that that was my head felt. So let's bring in Maggie for Mondays with Maggie Robinson, former NFL producer and now headed back in fact, very soon to college to get her MBA at Syracuse. Very impressive. Maggie, how are we doing tonight? What's going on? I'm good. I'm good. I will have to say you're hyping me up a little too much. I'm not actually getting my MBA. That would be awesome if I was doing business.

I'm getting my master's in broadcast journalism. Business would be awesome. Unfortunately, I don't do numbers like that, but I do do talking was doing business. I'm getting my masters in broadcast journalism. Business would be awesome. Unfortunately, I don't do numbers like that, but I do do talking, which is why I'm here and why we're gonna kick this off. I wanted to lighten the mood a little bit. I know we had some heavy topics at the beginning, but first things first, I wanted to say

happy belated Father's Day to all the dads listening and the guys in the chat. I know football is introduced to a lot of people through their father specifically. I know my dad introduced me to unfortunately the Titans and I remember watching games with him on my couch and then To work at the NFL at the age of 23 It was just an incredible experience and I wouldn't have even had that on my mind had it not been for my dad So just a big shout out to all the dads out there if you're listening you are more impactful than you know

And also a celebration. It's JJ, Justin Jefferson, not JJ McCarthy. It's his birthday today and he is 26. And the NFL actually posted a few of his stats that I thought were incredibly impressive. And I wanted to read you off with you just to show you how much he's done before he turned the age of 26. He is the only player in NFL history with 7,000 plus yards in his first five seasons. He has the most receiving yards ever by a player before turning 26 and had the most 100 plus yard receiving games before the age of 26. That is 34 games. To that I ask you, Matt, I'm going to put you on the spot. How did you celebrate your 26th birthday?

Oh, no idea. Absolutely no idea. I have no recollection of that whatsoever. Sorry I misspoke with the MBA. I've been watching The Office lately, so I was thinking of Ryan Howard being the business school guy, but oh wait, you haven't really watched The Office. References go over your head. When I was 26, I would have been probably getting my first job, which was as a producer at an AM radio station in Buffalo, WGR 550.

And I remember, I mean, now I'm thinking about it, because when you, you know, this first break into the industry, what often happens? You have to work all the weekends, all the holidays, all those sorts of things. So I would not have been in a position to take my birthday off of work. And one of my early assignments as a producer was to run the board for NASCAR events. And let me tell you on the radio, NASCAR events are pretty exciting. Like those guys are juiced up.

They're like, this guy's passing, this guy's going in for whatever. But I mean, I completely lost track of where the brakes were supposed to be and what I was supposed to do behind the board. I'm pretty sure I fell asleep at the board and it was not, I mean, those NASCAR things go for like four and a half hours. Sometimes you get a bunch of pit stops, you get accidents, and all I was doing is just sliding a little button up, sliding it down, pushing another button to have a break, and that was it. That was the whole thing.

So I am almost certain that age 26 was spent running some sort of NASCAR event. That's not the worst thing that I ever had to do as a producer though. Maybe you can share if you had any of these grunt work things that you did for the NFL, but the worst one was, okay, there's two. Okay. One was a dunk contest on radio.

Now just like, let's think about that. It's a dunk contest, but two guys are broadcasting it on radio. So it's like, it's think about that. It's a dunk contest, but two guys are broadcasting it on radio. So it's like, it's a windmill dunk. Like he got 10 out of 10. You're like, uh, I mean, I guess I'm in this in my brain. That was the year that Blake Griffin jumped over the car though. So at least they got to talk about Blake Griffin jumping over the car. The other one was the Hawaii bowl, which went on really late at night. I think it started like 11 o'clock at night and we had that on the radio. So it was two o'clock in the morning and it's a 45 to three game in the Hawaii

bowl and they're just passing still in completing passes. I talk about NASCAR going on forever. College football goes forever. And at about two o'clock in the morning. I talk about NASCAR going on forever, college football forever. And at about two o'clock in the morning, I went to the overnight guy and I said, look, you just turn that off when it's supposed to turn off. I'm going to leave. I don't care if there's commercials left. I am not staying till three o'clock in the morning for the freaking Hawaii bowl or however late it was. So I, uh, I, I made my way out at that point. Those, you know, that's, so that's what I was doing at 26. I was doing the grind.

I feel you production work is no joke. That actually reminds me. I have two examples that are now funny to think about, but crazy that I was even put in this scenario. I think I was, it was last year, so I was 23 and for a job on the NFL broadcasting team, we help assist all the TV trucks and the major networks with the same thing, placing their ad breaks. Obviously, they have control of all of those buttons because they're in the literal TV trucks outside the stadium, but we are all watching the game on the All 22. We have these undelayed truck feeds. We're all tapped in via wireless communications, and someone's on every single game, whether

it's a primetime game, whether it's a primetime game or whether it's a Titans game shoved in at 1pm that no one's really watching. And so your job there is to slot in the breaks in each quarter. I think a lot of people viewing it think it's pre- like it's pre-done. No, you're watching the game, you're like, oh, it's a punt here, we should go to break. I have to get four breaks in the first quarter. I got to get four breaks in the second. We have a floating break that needs to go somewhere in here and the TV network really wants to shove in this promo, but we don't really think it fits here because it's going to disrupt the flow of

the game. And so it's this whole learning of how not to break up the flow of the literal game, which is the whole point, but also to how to get our money because that's also the whole point of the NFL is getting the bag. So that was just something I had to learn. And that same thing, it's a lot of just sitting there and zoning in. And I remember the craziest thing. I was sitting in my West Village apartment in the shoe box and I was calling the commercial breaks for a New York Jets game. And I was like, who am I at 23 to be calling the commercial breaks for this live NFL game with millions

of viewers? It was just such a surreal, like out of body, like what the heck? Me? Are you sure? Did it was crazy. Well, for the commercial breaks, when I first started in radio and we still had some of the stuff from like the 80s, I would have to search a code that was in a booklet that they gave for every single one to be able to put them in. So as the NASCAR race is going on, you're searching in the booklet, like, okay, what hour, what code,

and you'd have to type in on a computer that did not work anymore. Slide them in, hit them. Yeah, there's a, that's, that's the stuff you end up appreciating later when you just get to sit here and talk about the football games because I did a lot about resolving technical issues though. And as far as I know, it seems like we're good here. So that's a, but you know, it's, those are the things that, I don't know, they, they learn you in the industry and then you appreciate it later. So good for you. Um, so where, where did you want to take us tonight? Yeah, so I know you on the daily

are hitting all the Viking specific stuff. I kind of wanted to do this is Mondays with Maggie, but today it's mini camp with Maggie, because I'm going to take you around the NFC North and we are going to look at my top takeaways from the NFC North teams coming out of mini camp, what we can look forward to, who you should keep an eye out for.

So let's kick this off with no one else other than the Chicago Bears and their new head coach Ben Johnson. And for him and for everything I've read and seen, the devil is in the details. This man is so detail oriented, almost to a fault. And I say that with a former player background and I will get into why. So I understand you want to correct all the small details. You're coming in, you got to establish yourself. You got to establish what you want, what the rules are. Let's lay the ground floor. You also

have this quarterback who's going into his sophomore season, lots of media buzz. Ben Johnson does not seem to be about that. This man is here to play football and to keep his head down. So there's been a lot of rumblings kind of on social media and on the NFL ecosphere of him stopping practice all the time, making all these tweaks. He already told Caleb Williams to switch his throwing foot, like when he's getting ready under snap. There's two camps of coaches. There's the let them play guys, and then there's the type A guys.

And Ben Johnson seems to be falling into the type A guys. I will say, as a former athlete myself, I kind of hated the type A guys. I know it's going to be good for this team, but you always know what you're doing wrong. I don't want to say that in a way of like, oh, I know better than the coach. When you play the sport for long enough enough and these guys are in the NFL at the highest level, you know what you're doing wrong. And usually you know how to fix it. And if not, these guys are vocal, they'll speak up.

They can get coaching off to the side after the play is done. He's been stopping them all the time, making the offense reset. So I just wanted to hear your thoughts. Who do you prefer as a head coach, the chill laid back, let them play, or the, hey, we're gonna get this right every single time guy? So I do think that the head coaching job is very, very different than the office of coordinator job. That if the office of coordinator is a real stickler,

that might go a little bit differently from the guy who's supposed to be the leader of the entire franchise. And I certainly think that if you're stopping drills every two seconds because one thing goes wrong, I mean, my goodness, that's a very difficult thing to do because then you're not getting a lot done. What comes to mind for me is whether this is going to be a personality fit for Caleb Williams, because I think you could make an argument that what Caleb Williams needs is a stickler for the details because his entire career

was I'm just gonna drop back I'm just gonna screw around I'm just gonna throw the ball wherever and he was able to get rid of that or he was not able to get rid of that as a rookie he was able to get away with it in college where you know even the college though you would see sometimes their offense where the receivers were looking like, what am I even doing out here? Why am I even running the routes I'm supposed to be running? And last year, Keenan Allen looked like he was going to walk off the field. I think actually DJ Moore did at one point, just walk off the field in the middle of a play and everybody was getting frustrated with him. So he needs to know what those exact

footwork drills are supposed to be and every detail of every play. But I also think if you try to put Caleb Williams in a box that that's taking away one of the major parts of Caleb Williams. But just overall, like I think Ben Johnson's really gonna find out Kevin O'Connell certainly did a lot of coaches have to in the first year that being the head coach you have to Delegate to other people you can't just spend all of your time on Caleb Williams's feet You have an entire franchise to run and if you do that, you're gonna struggle I think so we'll see because his personality to me doesn't scream like head coach. It doesn't scream or Tomlin or those guys who are really like,

you know, the CEOs of a franchise, like it, it nor, it normally doesn't come across the way it has with him. So I'll be interested to see if that works because he is kind of the the more X's and O's wizard guy than he is the Master and commander of the ship kind of guy. Yeah, I get that I think Kayla Williams is a person who needs to be able to like have his creativity, but within guardrails I think you can't let him like you're saying do his thing because it's just not going to work and has not worked on the NFL stage. But I also agree to your point with Ben Johnson. His presence isn't there yet. And maybe that's something that, again, like a player, you develop as you step into this role and you own that space more. But it's not speaking. His presence isn't there in the way like you're saying,

like a Mike Tomlin, like that man, he is here. He means business. You know what we're doing. I just think it's, again, it's his first year. So he's a rookie in that respect. I guess maybe there's always argument kind of a little bit of slack. If we look at the players that way, look at the coach that way, but we're the media. So our job is to critique. What are you going to do? I mean, I think it's one of the most interesting things in the entire NFL this year though is, is Ben Johnson really the guy to take Chicago where they haven't been in such a long time and can he actually get to Caleb Williams because I was looking into and your predecessor Clay Petrie did an article about this about historically can young quarterbacks

reduce the amount that they get sacked and And you can see for sure in offenses and how offenses will try to reduce the number of sacks, but a lot of times the answer is not really. It's that they can reduce it by some, but not really. So you have to be able to make up for it in another way. If you're gonna get sacked a lot, then you have to have scrambling, playmaking, all those things running, which Caleb Williams can do.

Is he going to let him do that? Is he going to get angry if he does that like how much? Outside of the box is Ben Johnson willing to deal with with Caleb Williams. I think all these guys It's really tough even like a Holmes or Allen 80% of the time they're just running the play But that 20% is what makes them truly unbelievable. While Caleb Williams was wanting that to be more like 60, he does something crazy and 40 he stays within the play.

It's very possible that Ben Johnson brings him back to the right ratio and he's got freakish talent to bring a great quarterback. So, I mean, that's one of those things where it's like, can't wait to find out how this ends up going. But some of the vibes kind of are a little bit like the Belichick guys, just so stiff. Yeah. Did not relate to their players.

And this is where KOC is an alien because he's got all the X's and O's, but he was in those locker rooms. He was a quarterback. He was an NFL player. Like he knows how players want to be treated and he's found the perfect balance between that. I'm not so sure on Ben Johnson. Yeah. And I'm looking at the chat. I think it says Stephen Sager said, I remember Caleb wanted to play for O'Connell, who's not exactly quote type a correct. You are saying everything that we are saying here. I, yeah,

we will see how this season plays out and a few other things to look for on the Chicago Bears. There's three rookie names that I think are notable, two of which are due to injury, which is unfortunate. Two rookies, tight end Colson Loveland and Luther Burden III are both out on injured reserve essentially right now during OTAs and mini camp. But these are two different scenarios. So Colson Loveland

is coming back from a, no, sorry, not a soft tissue. That's Luther Burden. Colson Loveland is coming back from shoulder surgery with the expectation that he'll be ready to go come training camp. Ben Johnson has been very complimentary of him and how he's handled this off season, how he's come in, read all the things he needs to do, studied up, met the people he's needed to, set a good precedent. And then when you hear him talk about Luther Burden, it's really negative. And this is the soft tissue injury that I'm talking about. And it sounds like he's missing a lot of practice.

This is a really not a great look for him. He's missing the opportunity to make a lot of connections, to build a reputation, to get to know the guys, to build connection. And it just feels like we're talking about two different instances, even though they're both rookies, both out due to injury. Just the way that they're being spoken about by the head coach of all people is wildly different.

Well, and this is something that all coaches deal with and they all handle differently. Some coaches will just say, I'm never talking about injuries because you're gonna use my words against me if I tell you a guy's coming back a certain amount of time or whatever and So where O'Connell has gotten to is just saying, you know, I like his outlook It seems like I'm hearing good things and we'll see what happens but very kind of vague

Doesn't want to get box into a corner But also doesn't want to push the player or disrespect the player to say like, yo, you got to get back on the field. Mike Zimmer was the exact opposite way where he would just call guys soft as hell and in front of us and to anybody who would listen and that actually bit him in the behind when he called out a player who had a botched surgery and it ended his career and everybody and he called them soft and everybody in the locker room was like are you serious? Like what are you what are you doing? Like you're a psycho this is insane and he kind of lost the locker room in different times for

calling guys out on stuff like that when a lot of guys by the end of the year are playing through injuries and if you're Luther Burden though, it may be a little bit of like the message that you need. So this is where, like, I'm not saying Ben Johnson's doing it wrong, but you gotta get, you gotta be out on the field, man. I mean, for, for mini camp, like mini camp, this is not the fastest, most high pace. Like you're going to permanently injure your body by running some seven on seven routes. That's not what you want from a rookie coming in is immediately being like,

Oh, I can't practice because guys have to fight through things in the NFL if they want to be on the field. It's, I agree with them. It's not a great sign. And I think if you pick the right guy, that's a rookie screw him. Like what has he done? He can get that message. But also Ben Johnson's got to remember he's not Dan Campbell This guy does not come along with the same credibility as Dan Campbell Everybody knew from Dan Campbell's career that he was a freaking beast when Dan Campbell played He was one of the toughest dudes out there every single time he walked out in that field. And if he called somebody out, all right, well, you've done it.

You've been through this. Ben Johnson doesn't have that. So I think that he's walking a little bit of a tightrope already. I wouldn't say it's as bad of signs as like Urban Meyer not knowing who the players were or, you know, Joe Judge. I can't remember what it was that Joe Judge did, but there were very early signs or Matt Patricia where you're just, no, this ain't gonna work. But there's a little bit of that, like, okay, you're gonna be, you're gonna be hard, but you gotta pick your spots in the NFL today. I don't think you could be like Mike Zimmer who just rails on dudes and that's just, you know, they gotta take it. I don't think that that flies all that well today.

Yeah, it's definitely a fine line. And speaking of Dan Campbell, here's something I think he did that is in my opinion, and I stand behind this 10 toes down. I think it's soft that he canceled their mini camp due to the Hall of Fame game. I'm sorry, your game is July 31st. It is June 16th.

For what reason, after all the turnover and change that you had in your coaching staff and the retirement of Frank Ragnau and the confusingness of your team in the off season, what makes you think you can skip this? Having that attitude going into this NFL season makes me really question if they are still the team to beat like they were last year. It makes me question if he's almost gotten a little overinflated ego of being like, oh, we're gonna be great because we've been great before. We're gonna be great because NFL schedule makers

thought we would be great. They might as well be playing the Chargers at a shared practice. They would get more out of that than playing them at the Hall of Fame game. Internally, the Hall of Fame game is kind of a joke. Everyone knows that preseason, kind of a joke. So the Hall of Fame game is like the laughing stock of the preseason.

So that puts it at the top of the pyramid for me. I just don't understand this decision. Yeah, the explanation is not all that great because in the Hall of Fame game, nobody plays like you're entirely guys that are going to go on to have wonderful careers in other vocations that are not football. And we all know that even just anybody who's watching the hall of fame is like, Oh look, people dressed up as Detroit lions that are not going to be Detroit lions.

And Dan Campbell knows that as well. It sounds almost like just I wanted to do this and I'm saying this is why, but that can't really be why. There are though a few things that I would say about this. I've seen a lot of veteran teams over the years cancel the last day of mini camp because they've accomplished everything that they set out to accomplish. So they got to a point where they were like, all right, we've got it all installed. Everybody's got it. We're good to go. We don't need to waste our time with another day. Everybody's really happy to go on summer vacation.

If you were in a grade school and you're getting ready to go from third to fourth grade and they told you, you didn't have to show up for the last day of school, you would be elated. The football players are the same way there. They want that day off. They want to start their family trips a day early. That's probably part of it. The other thing is to Dan Campbell has to know that his team suffered a ton of injuries last year. And I don't think it's a total coincidence that he really beats them up in practice.

He really practices hard during training camp a lot harder than I think the Vikings have some years. Vikings have had great health for the most part. The lions have not had great health for the most part. And if he realizes like you don't want to get guys banged up in mini camp or banged up in the beginning of training camp, wait till there's actual the regular season happening. That could be a small part of it. But I just, the mini camp, I know it's sort of like, I would come back here and talk about it and everybody wants like, how does JJ McCarthy look? It's like, well, it's mini camp. So, you know, pretty good. Yeah.

It's really so much that can actually be done in an hour and a half in minicamp. I agree with you, but I also just think the act of knocking the rust off when you're an athlete at that high level is so important. Just getting out there, obviously you're very limited contact. You're no pads. You're just running through things. That's so important and honestly kind of helps with that muscle memory of, oh yeah, this is how I do it. So then when I come back for training camp, I'm ready to go.

He's almost going to have to give a day or two of training camp and understand that he's got to lower his expectations because the guys aren't ready. And then guess what? You're going to have to do that again in the regular season because they didn't, your starters for sure didn't play in the Hall of Fame game nor did they do mini camp. So they have such a small window with which to get ready. I just worry that he's doing them a disservice. And I feel like whenever I watch NFL teams,

there's always a rusty start at the beginning. The first three games, it's like, oh my God, what are we watching? I think it was the Eagles last year, their first game I was watching it. And I was like, they don't look good. Then they won the Super Bowl. But it takes even the best teams,

a game or two to get their rhythm underneath them. But not to have a mini camp just feels like a mistake. So we will see. So I like where I like where you're at as far as how much you're attacking Dan Campbell, like that's that. That is what I like. I I don't think for this team that it would be problematic if you have a rookie quarterback or it was a young team with a bunch of draft picks. I would say probably. Yeah. But just for example, last year,

Stefan Gilmore joined the Vikings after training camp started week one, played almost every snap and played like 900 snaps in the season. I think a lot of the veteran players don't need as much as even they have right now with training camp. But I, but I also like the take. Like I think it's, you know, it's a, it's a take. Thank you. Would I say it to Dan Campbell's face? No, but will I say it on this podcast? Absolutely. And with that, we're going to move on to the Green Bay Packers to round out the NFC North.

So there are big expectations for their wide receiver room, namely Matthew Golden and some guy who I'd never heard of until I started looking into this, Cornelius Johnson. Matthew Golden is their rookie wide receiver they got from Texas, 23rd overall. And this is the first time since 2002 that the Packers have selected a wide receiver in the first round of the draft. So that is monumental in itself.

Shows that they really thought they needed more depth at that position. He also had the fastest receiver time at the combine with a four to nine, which is only slightly slower than I run a 40. That's OK. That's neither here nor there. But I just I'm seeing a lot of different names and they also have a great wide receiver one in Jayden Reed. He led the team in receptions and receiving yards in 2024. They just signed McColl Hardman to a one year deal.

I feel like they're almost over stacking their wide receiver room. Like what are they worried about here? I'm confused a little bit, but also excited to see where they go with this. Yeah. I think that what the Packers did was they, well, we'll see if it was overcompensating or just compensating for last year. Well, they lost Christian Watson to an injury and he's likely not going to play this year. But last year around this time, the Packers were all telling everybody, their coaches, their GM, their players,

hey, it's great that we don't have a true number one wide receiver. We've got many, many wide receivers, right? It's great, because no one will know where the football's going. And of course, that didn't really turn out that way. It turned out more to be like, they couldn't really truly rely on anyone.

And Jayden Reed is as close as they have to a wide receiver one. I think they made the right decision in drafting a wide receiver and then another one, I think in the third round, this year as well. And to try to just throw numbers at it and see who emerges and hope, I'm sure they're hoping that their first rounder

will be the guy on that team. But when you look at that group, does it scare you? I mean, do you think like, Oh man, unless Matthew Golden is incredible, which I'm not really counting on, but you never know. Like he, with the speed he could emerge as a great deep threat for Jordan love. But I am not looking at that saying, boy, when the Vikings play them, they should be terrified. I mean, that's like how you look at Philadelphia with A.J. Brown, Devante Smith. Then you're saying, all right, that's, you know, say, Quan Barkley, really concerning.

I think the Packers are mid pack. Hey, in just about just about everything. Like, I don't think they have a bad defense. I don't think they have a good defense. I don't think they have a good defense. I don't think they have a bad offensive line. I don't think they have a great offensive line. I don't think they have a bad quarterback. I don't think they have a great quarterback. And maybe the only thing that they have that's exceptional is running back. But even that's a little bit debatable of whether Josh Jacobs is truly a game changer. He's not a Derek Henry. He's not a Saquon Barkley. Is he even

better than Aaron Jones was for them? Everything feels like a nine and eight kind of team. And it's kind of on Matthew Golden to be the guy that changes that for Jordan love because Christian Watson never became what they expected him to be. And Jayden Reed, I don't know if he's the complete enough package to be like a Justin Jefferson type of role for that team. So you're right. I mean, that, that competition there to see if anybody emerges throughout the season could mean the difference between, are you scared of Jordan love or not? Because they just haven't had that guy for him since he got there.

Yeah, no, I agree with that. And one other person that the media is telling us all to keep an eye out for, and someone who ended their mini camp early, as you were talking about, Brandon McManus. He is a 13-year NFLer, and he's actually been incredibly consistent during his time with an 86.7% PFF grade on field goals.

But you probably, unfortunately, remember him from the boof booth 38 yard field goal He had during the wild card game last year That's really unfortunate But he made a 58 yarder on the last day of training of mini camp this year To let the players go early and they did not have to do their conditioning which as a former player That is the best thing ever if the coach gives someone a goal and then they make it and you don't have to run wind sprints. Oh my God. Day is made. So I think hopefully he's more consistent this year. I mean, hopefully not for the Vikings, but good for the team. Maybe not for the fitness

of the team. We shall see. I think they'll survive. But that reminds me of a story that there was a former Viking named Mike Morris who did a lot of radio and stuff around here. Who's their long snapper. And he played for Cleveland at the beginning of his career under a young Bill Belichick. And he was telling a story about how Bill Belichick at the end of a practice in a very similar type of situation. So instead of, if he makes a field goal, we don't have to do conditioning.

It was having the punter kick it as high as he could in the air. And if an offensive lineman caught it, then the practice was, you know, you got a big fat offensive lineman running around trying to, we always joke around with some of the players about how hard it is to catch punts. Like, Hey, do you think any reporters could catch a punt? And they're like, no, are you kidding me? Not if the guy's actually trying. So I can't imagine what that must have looked like with punting the ball up in the air and having an offensive lineman try to catch it.

But that to me is a much better version than just a really good kicker kicking a field goal. Yeah, that'd be awesome to see. We gotta ask someone to do that, cause I want that. I gotta see that with my own two eyes. To wrap up, oh go ahead. Oh I was just going to ask if you didn't have any more headlines. I was going to ask you if you were today, based on your deep mini camp research on the NFC North, how would you order the NFC North and how many wins for each team? Ooh, okay.

Okay, I would order I would put the Packers at the bottom. As we were saying, they just feel incredibly meh and average and not like a sparky have it all together team. They feel very much fine. I'm not wowed. I'm not disappointed, but okay, there they are. I would say, I honestly, and not to steal your thunder with the way you said it, but you said eight and nine. I agree with that. I think that feels pretty consistently there. I would then have to say the Detroit Lions are in third. I just, if I have this take, I got to stand with it. And I do do I don't think they have it all together

This year in the way that they did last year. I know this might be spicy given that they came off. What was it a 14th in my what was there 15 15 win season Incredible not knocking that whatsoever. However, you had so much turnover We can't discount that and I know you have a lot of vets coming back. And I know there's a lot of leadership in the locker room and Dan Campbell is not one to mess around and he's gonna run a tight ship. I just think if you reach the top of the mountain,

it's hard to stay consistent up there. A lot of teams hit that peak. And then what do you do? You go straight down into a valley. And I think the valley is third place in the NFC North. So I just don't see it happening for them this year. Would it be a great story? Sure. But they already had that moment and I just don't think it's going to continue. All because of that one mini camp practice where they're going to go back. That was the

moment. I'm just drawing a lot of conclusions from here and maybe this is completely unfounded, but it just feels like it sets the tone. It's something as an organization you don't mess around with things like that. It feels like a just you don't need it. Like why? I don't know. I'm a little confused by all this. You couldn't tell well to your point though about Detroit regression does come for everybody. And one of the things that can happen to a team, it happened to Philadelphia.

It happened to Atlanta when Kyle Shanahan left and they brought in Steve Sarkisian to be their offensive coordinator is, you know, it's just not the same. It's sometimes it's just not the same. And last year, it felt like every single fourth down hit for them golf had a five interception game and they won the game. Like that does not happen twice. That's lightning striking the same spot twice. Uh, if they were able to do things like that, like every single thing fell into place for that Detroit team last year.

The only thing that could stave off progression for them, I think is that they've even kind of beefed up their defense a little bit. They drafted some players on that side of the ball, Tyleek Williams to try to stuff the run a little bit better. And if they stay healthy with Aiden Hutchinson, like they could have a very nasty defense. I also was never convinced Aaron Glenn was the best strategist on defense,

but he was kind of predictable at times. And so they have a new defensive coordinator, but I think they're just harder to project than they have been the last few years. And you mentioned rag now, that's just no small thing. That guy superstar head of the snake type of player. So it is, uh, as I just pointed out in the comments section, it's a little bit of a hot take, but I, but I accept that. Uh, I I'll take that. So you've got the Packers at the bottom. Packers at the bottom. Then the Lions. This would be a chopping result. Then the Lions, then the Bears.

Because again, I think we've all seen Caleb Williams can be very good. We act like he's this terrible quarterback who's running around and has no idea what he's doing. He can be very good. It just depends. This is all theoretical based off how things play out, obviously. But if Ben Johnson's coaching ends up working for him and he actually does really well under

this style and he can get it together, they're a good team. We were saying this last year and there were really high hopes. Now he's in his sophomore season. You kind of shake off all the weirdness of being a rookie and all the hype he had around him. The expectations for him were astronomical. Absolutely no one can live up to that. I don't care how good of a rookie season you have. This man was hyped up on the cover of every single magazine. It was too much and I think that had to be distracting. So I think maybe he's more settled, maybe he has a better read of the team. Hopefully his teammates have gelled in the locker room and have forgotten his previous comments about not wanting to be on the team

So we'll see and then I'm a Vikings fan now you guys had to ask previously was I an Eagles fan? Yes, but now for this podcast. I'm a Vikings fan. The Vikings are first. Come on now They have so much potential and it's so exciting It's like you're sitting back watching a little kid grow up and you're like, I can see it in you. I know you're going to be great. That's what it feels like watching them and just hoping that they live up to what everyone sees in all of these glimpses that we're seeing at mini camp, seeing in JJ McCarthy, the progressions that he's made, the way he's speaking, the attitude he has, the presence he

holds, seeing Justin Jefferson step more into his own in this leadership role and ball out as always, what, by the age of 26, he's still in his prime. You have a great team and I think more importantly, you have a great front office. And so when those two things come together, it's really hard to stop that train. So just circling back to the Bears as second place, something that I could definitely see. But I think that each like each one of your selections would come along with a confidence rating. So my confidence rating in the Lions being third would be pretty low.

Like I could definitely see it, but I would only say I'm 20% confident that actually happens. I have so much talent and the same, I would put the same on Chicago. Now I remember as a kid, I used to get Sports Illustrated and every year they would do their big preview and their experts would project what the standings were.

And I would hang on to that magazine so I could look at the end of the year and look at the standings. And every year it'd be like nowhere close to what they projected because it's the NFL and this is why we watch because you can't predict it. Right. And so I think that you're going you're going a different direction than most people would go with the division which is probably Vikings want or Vikings to with the Lions number one still and the Packers and then the Bears would be the order that I think most people would expect. But you're laying out a scenario, which I think is very realistic

if something goes wrong for the Lions and they don't click with the new coaches. If the Packers just being mid is not good enough because you don't play the NFC or the AFC South this year and you don't get those free wins that got them into the playoffs. And if it does connect for Chicago with Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams, they've got enough talent there on the offensive line, the wide receivers to have a good offense. And if you're there in Chicago, the thing you're holding onto, even as your history, you know, so bad with quarterbacks, it's that they were in a bunch of games. And if Matt Huberfluss calls a timeout,

and if Tyreek Stevenson doesn't mock the crowd before playing defense, I mean, then you're talking about like a seven win team. There's a couple other games that are right there for them that they botched. You know, it's not like they were a million miles away from being a competitive team. So you could see it. I'm not confident in it because bears, but you could see it.

I think the one you're most confident in is the Vikings at one and two, which is weird to say because they have a quarterback who's never played before and yet, right. When them have so much success here, even in seasons that they went in projected to win six or seven games that it's almost hard to figure out how would they not be at least in the mix going down the stretch with Kevin O'Connell, with Brian Flores, with Justin Jefferson that you mentioned, like all of those things are so sticky from year to year that unless there's a McCarthy injury, you should be right there in that conversation.

Right. And I think something I'm also thinking of as I'm doing these is it's the NFL, it's live sports. No one actually has any idea. We can project all we want, and I love playing this game, and I loved watching when I was working the draft, everyone's draft takes and who they think is gonna go, and I would have to look through all the top draft picks. Some of these guys would never get off the board.

You'd never see them. So we're making these picks and I'm giving you my reasons. We can make educated guesses, but that's all they are. And so I just think these are my educated takes. Could they be really off potentially? But I'm going to stand with this. I'm going to do a Kyle Brandt and say, you come back to me. We're marking this as June 16th. Come back at the end of the season check-in see where we're at I just like that you went a little different there You went a little bit off the trail and you really did a takedown of the Detroit Lions here on this night So yeah, well we will see I I think they have enough to still win the division and somebody asked earlier about

The Vikings playing them in week 17 Netflix game so everybody get your friends login or whatever. But that I really do think if we're talking about most likely scenario that that is a battle for making the playoffs. But I do not mind the hot take as you said middle of June. Bring them out. Be bold. That's what I'm going to be doing this later this week or next week with the 50 bold predictions. So we can be bold here on the show. You might as well. You might as well. And to wrap up my mini camp recap,

I thought we would go actually to the boardroom and look at the place I just left, which is the NFL league office to talk about poaching Brian Rolap. The chief media and business officer of the NFL is reportedly going to be the CEO of the PGA Tour. This is super notable because this man was tabbed, everyone thought, to be the next fill-in for RG. That's what it just kind of felt like. That's what the vibe was. So the fact that he's going over to the PGA Tour and leaving the NFL completely is big news. And it means there's also huge shoes to fill and it will be a shakeup to see who is taking

this role. It could be my former SVP, Hans Schroeder. This is all from an SBJ article. I have no actual insight into this. I wish I did. It could be Rene Anderson, who's been the SVP of sponsorships, or it could be Drew Prasad, who leads a bunch of our media deals and our 32 equity partnerships.

This is just something to keep an eye out for because as much as we talk about the players on the field and all the teams, the league is still run as a business. At the end of the day, it is a business and media and media rights is what makes the money. I think he brought in around 13 billion in the divisions underneath him. So whenever we go into our town halls, it'd be like, oh, which divisions are making the most. And then broadcasting would be like, thank you for all your media deals. We really appreciate all the money you're bringing into the league. So just interesting to see who will take in this high powered role.

Well, it is true. And well, first of all, you guys call them RG, huh? That's is that what you is that what he was called in inside the NFL you guys call them RG, huh? That's, is that what you, is that what he was called inside the NFL? They call him RG? Commissioner. Commissioner. No, I think that's actually funny. But that commissioner role, you know, Pete Rozell was the one who really put the NFL on the map

and became what it is now. But Roger Goodell has taken it to a completely other level with broadcasting. In some ways, I think a lot of people are not super happy with that, with having to buy Netflix, Amazon, things like that. And there was a really good article today by June Lee, formerly of ESPN, about just how leagues sort of have taken advantage of fans and have forced them into buying, you know, extra subscriptions and jacked up prices just because they kind of can. So I do think of the Roger Goodell era as a little bit of that,

but also as the game taking massive, massive leaps forward in its popularity since he took over and I think it was in a very awkward position when he originally got the job and there were some, I think bad moments for him with off the field stuff and the warden and all that stuff, suspending guys for weed. And it was a little bit crazy and rocky there at the beginning with him trying to establish himself,

but it has been a very stable league. And I look at baseball and all the goofy changes that are made and weird things that Rob Manfred has done and has not done a thing in my opinion, to make baseball more attractive. I've enjoyed baseball less and less and less than Rob Manfred has been in charge. It matters who becomes the next commissioner of the NFL. Everything from just like how things are operated to, you know, the rule changes that they clearly push from behind

the scenes that they want. I'm sure the Packers would tell you that about the tush push. I really want to get rid of the tush push that was coming from up top was the understanding. But that's that is a very powerful position. So I have to ask you then if you were the commissioner of the National Football League, if Rog, if RG, so to said,

you know what Maggie, you are such a great producer behind this. You're the commissioner now. What are you doing? Like what are you doing? What a crazy question. Oh my gosh. Okay. Well, one, honored to be in the role, first woman ever. Let's go, we're making waves, day one. Always know I'd be up to something big. But I would have to say, thinking more specifically to the broadcasting, because that's exactly where my brain is going and what we just talked about,

I think I would wanna somehow keep the amount of money, I don't know how we do this, but we'd keep the amount of money that we're making, but consolidate it so that the viewer is not having to buy a million subscriptions and other things and that we're not at risk of pirating and just make it easier to watch. The whole ethos of the NFL is that football is for everyone. It's like family football, whatever you want to say.

You watch it because it's always on your TV. There's no paywall. You're there. You're bonding over it. It brings people together. It doesn't bring people together when it's behind on your TV. There's no paywall. You're there. You're bonding over it. It brings people together. It doesn't bring people together when it's behind a name is on prime paywall and you got to pay for it or it's on Netflix on Christmas. And I don't have a Netflix subscription.

And now I can't log in because I don't live in the same household as my friend. You know, just combining everything and still making somehow the most money and negotiating those media rights in the way that benefits us because I'm the commissioner of the NFL and again, we want to make money, but somehow consolidating just for ease of viewership and streamlining that process. And I know a lot of stuff is going digital. I'm not anti-digital. I'm just, can we figure out how to narrow the digital games that are put out there? I mean, what you're saying, attempting politically,

because I used to work with those people is it sucks for fans to have to do that to have to buy Amazon to have to buy Netflix to have to it's the every man's game and you're pricing people out of watching this game, right? And I think that there's a legitimate argument that it should not be legal to be able to do that because the NFL and all out of watching this game. Right. And I think that there's a legitimate argument that it should not be legal to be able to do that because the NFL and all other sports leagues, they have exceptions from the government to allow them to run the way they run antitrust, things like that. This was in

the June Lee article. And I think taking football away from people and putting it only behind a paywall is borderline should not be allowed or legal to be able to do. Plus, you mentioned, I mean, just the fact that like how much games cost to go to. And at some point you think if franchises are selling for six or $7 billion, like at what point have we reached such cartoonish and comedic money that this is not really necessary to do, but that is the goal of the commissioner. So you're already a terrible commissioner, even though I completely agree with you. And I think that it's a great take. You, you, what you are enacting is a good of the game. That's where you are. I'm a word of the people, Matt. I don't know what to tell you. Yes, and I think what you're doing

is choosing the good of the game over every last dollar that you can squeeze out of every sports fan's pocket. And honestly, even this is sorry to get off on the rant, but I think you picked the right thing. Would be like, this is insane. Like, okay, so maybe if you have, like you said, if you have one package of people buy that are out of market, they'll buy the package

so they could see their local team. If you have one, okay, that's fine. That applies to all of these games. But if you're talking about, you can't do it unless you get five or six different subscriptions and you're talking about playoff games that people can't watch. To me, that is so far beyond greed that it's, it's absurd.

And I am a season ticket holder for the Minnesota links. And I look around at some of the prices and I'm like, this is a lot more than it used to be. And I think that, uh, all sports have priced out so many fans and the NFL has gotten there as well. So they've priced you out at the stadium and then they've priced you out at your house as well to be able to watch these Thursday night games. We're never going back.

That's for sure. But I do think that it's wrong. The steps that they've taken to basically push the envelope to say, who's really going to stop us? And the answer is nobody because the same people that run the government, wait, I don't want this to be conspiracy. The same people that donate the most money to politicians also are the same people that own National Football League teams.

So I don't think it will ever be stopped. But I appreciate your effort as commissioner to make life better and more football for more people. Well done. You know, I'm all about equality here. Looking around the league, talking about everyone equally. Let's go through a few hot takes. And I want you to tell me if you are yay or nay on these hot takes that I pulled, I was originally going to title this sleigh or nay. And then I didn't think that would go over well with you or your audience.

But if you want to say sleigh as in an unequivocal yes, I agree. Awesome. Be my guest. Too old. Give you the option. Nope. Just too old. But yay or nay I get.

Yay or nay. Cincinnati Bengals. The headline is the Bengals are in the wrong in the Shamar Stewart negotiations. So for those of you who have your head in the sand and have not heard about this, Shamar Stewart is a rookie edge rusher out of Texas A&M. He was picked 17th overall by the Cincinnati Bengals and he is still unsigned as of this afternoon. He left the Bengals training camp over these issues with his rookie contract and it all kind of boils down to the language in his rookie contract that has to do with guaranteed money and what happens if he defaults on a contract. It's a lot of legalese, but I think at the core of it, he's just asking to be treated

the same way that other first round rookies are treated and get the same language and they are not doing that. They're deciding to choose something new for him and essentially have him be the guinea pig. And I will say one more thing. The Bengals just kind of in the media, it's kind of a known thing, have the reputation of being a business before players organization. They ranked 24th in the NFLPA report card last year. This is just proving the point

that it feels like the people in the front office and the people on the field are not speaking the same language. And I'm pro-Shamar Stewart in this issue. It sounds in some ways like, just sign it. You're being greedy. You haven't even played a snap in the NFL. What are you to be arguing? But also, it's a lot of money that we're talking about and he has a right to want to protect that and protect himself getting into this league. This was talked about as a potential problem with JJ McCarthy that got itself worked out, but it took a while for McCarthy last year to get his contract signed because

there was a similar language for guarantees that I don't fully understand that there was some debate over. And we have reached the point, as you mentioned, that enough first rounders have gotten this language in their contract that it's almost standard practice and the Bengals need to just grow up. Like at this point, when it comes to stuff like this, and I know the Bengals, I think it's their family business is the Bengals. It's not like they own Walmart like Denver does. And then, oh yeah, we got this little side football team or whatever. But when it comes to the Bengals, that's they've always been called them shrewd.

You said business before people or something. And it's like, yeah, there's a bunch of different ways to say really cheap. And that's what the Bengals are, because I guess they're spending their own money that they bring in. At this point, they should have made enough dollars to not worry so much about that, but things change. And when we've reached this point,

you are hurting your team by nitpicking the heck out of something that is not that big of a deal overall in the grand scheme of how many dollars you're actually spending for players and contracts and everything else and once we've reached the point that everyone else is doing it We just get this done and get the distraction taken care of and I think the same thing with Trey Hendrickson It's like this team is in a Superbowl window every single year. They have Joe burrow and yet they just shoot themselves in the foot with nonsense like this, where you could just get this taken care of and move forward.

Maybe the Hendrickson thing is a Hendrickson thing is a little more complicated, but it's an elite pass rusher. Like you need that. That's worth paying for. You would lop off eight other players to have a guy that can get you 15 sacks. So I don't really understand the people that run the Cincinnati Bengals and it feels like 25 franchises or so have moved forward in their lives as franchises into the modern era of the NFL because this this feels very like 1990s early 2000s where franchises weren't making all this money

and would kind of nitpick and fight players and they'd hold out and all this stuff. We don't even have that anymore. Holdouts are rare in the NFL because the money's there and the cap is so flexible as long as you want it to be because you spend the cash. They're being silly gooses and it's time to just get on track with the rest of the NFL or just sell the team, like move on.

Yeah, one other weird thing about this whole issue is that if he isn't signed, he can actually re-enter the draft next year. I did not know that. That's crazy. I did not know that was a real thing, but also I can't imagine that would work to his benefit. I think he would almost be just written off as as no, you just didn't play for an entire year who's to say you're still good. There's videos of him still working out. The guy's still getting after it, but a very bizarre thing to be happening. And I hope for his sake that this gets resolved within the week because this is just crazy.

You don't want this hanging over the team as you're going into training camp in July. Is there any way, son of a beavers, is there any way to trade him if he's not signed? I don't think so. I don't think you could, maybe I don't think so. I actually don't know for sure. You're the commissioner. Let me get back to you. You make the rules on that. Yeah, I'm driving the boat. Okay. Atlanta. Let's look at this one. The headline Kirk cousins will be a backup in 2025.

I don't think this one is all that groundbreaking, but I'm just going to explain why they tried to trade him around. He tried to look around. No one was biting. No one wanted him. He's coming off an Achilles. He's coming off a shoulder injury. He's costing them a boatload of money over there to be sitting on the bench. And I just I don't see this happening. The only way I see him starting is if someone gets injured and I know you've had that take before. I just don't really see that happening. I think he's a solid option for Atlanta to have his backup except for the fact that he is just draining their money away.

I mean the reality of Kirk Cousins is that last year he played like a backup and he put it out there after the season like, oh, I actually was dealing with an elbow issue or whatever, but we all saw him, he couldn't move. And he is an older player that Achilles is not getting better, faster, stronger. Like it's not going to be different than it's ever been before. He is a very good backup who could still win some games.

And he did last year for Atlanta. Some of them had to be in very strange fashion. It's kind of funny that he beat the Philadelphia Eagles on a crazy last second comeback and everything, and then they missed the playoffs. The Eagles won the Super Bowl. But I think that he's in the position he's got to be in. If you were Pittsburgh, you're better off taking a bet with Rogers, probably than Kirk. If you're Cleveland,

you might as well get started on your future with Dylan Gabriel or maybe Kenny Pickett, I guess. Probably not, but Chider Sanders, of course, you're better just trying to find out if one of those quarterbacks in that competition can work out rather than bringing in Kirk to win you seven or eight games. And I think that's all he's gonna,

I mean, even at his absolute best, he was usually capable of only winning eight to 10 games. What's he going to be at this point? But if you're Atlanta, he knows the offense. If Michael Penick's get hurt, which quarterbacks do, Penick's has a history of injuries. You never know in the NFL. It's so crazy because when they drafted Penick's, a lot of people criticize the Falcons. What are you doing? You just signed Kirk to this contract and then within like nine weeks,

it looked like a genius draft pick. It might end up, who knows? Even if he wins, even if he gets hurt, uh, Penics and he wins two out of four games Kirk does off the bench and it helps them get to the playoffs or something. It might be better for them. I having the best backup quarterback in the league might end up ultimately being better for Atlanta than trading him for nothing, taking the whole contract. You might as well just live with that mess that you create. Yeah, I will say talking about the shock at him being drafted eighth overall in the building

when it was draft time when that name popped up the shock that you heard behind the stage of the entire thousands of people in the audience feeling like, no way, no one saw it coming. It caught everybody off guard. The people in our headsets were like, okay, that's a weird thing. They know what they're doing, I guess. So I guess we're about to see if they know what they're doing. But yeah, I just don't know. And it's just so much money. I just feel like they could have done that one a little better. So is their cap space wouldn't have taken such a hit.

This is where you have to learn about Kirk Cousin's agent. Kirk Cousin's agent, and I mean it, is the best agent in the entire universe. Mike McCartney is the best agent. I've ever seen in my entire life. He raked everybody over the coals for the Minnesota Vikings. Every single time they negotiated an extension, it was the worst possible scenario for the Vikings. Every single time. He won every single negotiation. And then I was not surprised

at all that he got a hundred million dollars guaranteed from the Falcons. Cause I was like Mike McCartney, I've always said that if I ever got another job in media where I had to negotiate a contract, I'm calling up Mike and being like, just, just do me this one favor. I give you a 25% cause I know you're going to kill it. This guy's a beast. Uh, and for the Falcons, I always got the sense that it was Arthur blank who wanted that done. And Kirk knew it and his agent knew it. And so they just said, this is, this is the going price for starting quarterbacks in the NFL. If you really want it, make it happen. Uh,

because I think the Vikings under a very narrow situation, if it had been a certain type of contract would have brought him back and had him be the bridge to McCarthy but instead he just is unbelievable. Yes, Stephen says his agent is in the contract wing part of the Hall of Fame. This guy is unbelievable. To get a hundred mil guaranteed coming off an Achilles injury is so insane. But I'm not shocked. I'm not shocked. He got, he was coming off his first contract with the Vikings. He was coming off a seven and nine season with Washington and got the biggest contract guaranteed money ever in history. Genius.

He's just a genius. You know, is that quarterback documentary? I don't don't undersell that. It was a man of the people in that everyone loved him. Family guy, Kirk. Oh, those two things were together. You got everyone behind you saying, oh, he's a great guy. He's a culture ad. That's a locker room guy.

And then this guy who's a dog who's arguing for him at the table. Oh my God. And then it just so happened that he played his best two games of the season, two of the best games he had ever played right before he got injured. It was a culmination for Kirk Cousins. And I never, ever blamed him for taking those contracts. I know some people wanted him to be like Tom Brady. Why doesn't he take less? Like, I look, I mean, if somebody's going to offer it to you, then I can't ever blame them for blaming the person for taking it.

Because I think we would all probably do the same thing. But anyway, yeah, that situation, I think is playing out kind of the way, not exactly the way I thought it would, but almost with Michael Pennex, the minute they drafted him, I thought they must know something about that Achilles. Yeah. Cause on draft night, I was seeing the reaction. I was live streaming and people will remember me laughing hysterically for like three straight minutes after the draft pick because Kirk had given us a whole speech in the locker room.

He did the only time he ever did an end of the year locker room conversation with the media was that year. He had it all prepared and he was like, I want to find a team that really loves me and that kind of thing. And he dropped this incredible line, which I've used many times on the show. He said, it's not about the dollars. It's what the dollars represent. And I was like, that is absolute fire, my friend. I've used it every day since in some it's it's not about whatever it's about what it represents. And what it represented was Atlanta falling in love with him. But I think

when they got him there, they saw how far away he was physically and thought we better draft this other guy. And the other thing too, is that I think it's quite clearraft analysts have no idea what they're doing with quarterbacks. They just don't. They don't know them for one. That's the biggest thing is Mel Kuyper does not know Chidora Sanders. He did not sit in a room with him. He did not put him through whatever they put him through in those meetings.

So all they know is arm strength, size, statistics, stuff like that. If you know a defensive tackle sack numbers, you're going to get pretty darn close with size and what they do in the combine with the quarterback. It's so much more complicated. And I think what people missed is that Michael Pennings, his character is incredible, like his brain for the game, his heart, all that sort of stuff that that teams fell in love with. And I think if JJ McCarthy had been that pick for the Falcons, the Vikings would

have happily drafted Michael Pennex in that spot. So it is, but it is a situation to follow because they have really gotten themselves in trouble and they're not really able to use the rookie quarterback contract the same way that the team like the Vikings is. And then they go completely off the rails in the draft and trade a first round pick for next year to move up and get James Pierce. That was wild to me also when the history of late first round pass rushers is not always ideal. So that's a weird team, man. That is a weird team. I don't know where the hell this started, but that is a weird team. That's definitely one to watch.

That's kind of all I had for you, but I did want to say I will be off next Monday. I'm actually moving up to Syracuse, so you guys cross your fingers for me. I would be driving from Tennessee to upstate New York. That is a thousand plus miles in a little Honda Fit. But shameless plug here. I'm starting a TikTok account to document my time at Syracuse and to document me learning how to do on air sports broadcasting and to get my first job out of grad school in front of the camera, not behind. If you want to follow,

that is the same handle as my Instagram, which is at Maggie Robinson with two N's. Give it a follow, come follow along, see what's up. I think it's going to be a really fun year and we're kicking it off here with Matthew. Don't follow any other random Maggie Robinsons like some of us have done on multiple platforms. No, that's great. I wish you the best. I made a similar trip from Buffalo, New York to Minnesota. I was driving a U-Haul with a Chevy Cruze attached to the back of it. Oh no. And my wife was driving her car with a Greyhound in it that we had just adopted. And then we had had for only a couple months.

And then the Greyhound is packed up and traveled with us all the way across the country. So that was a very interesting journey. So I wish you the best of luck in doing that. And Hey, look, if you want to get an MBA too, then you know, maybe do that while you're there. But, uh, no, very exciting for you to start this journey at Syracuse. But after next week you'll be back and you'll be doing every Monday night, continuing to do that. And hopefully for training camp,

we can get you out for a practice or preseason game as well and do a little live podcast that way. So thanks Maggie so much. I'll see you in two weeks and thanks everybody for watching slash listening. And we'll talk to you all very soon. So football. Yeah, football.

We'll see you guys later. Oh wait, Maggie, did you want to say football? Hold on. I'm back, football baby! Okay, there you go. Thanks everybody. See you later.