Purple Insider - a Minnesota Vikings and NFL podcast - LaDainian Tomlinson's Untold Stories + Chargers Super Bowl Run Coming?

Episode Date: April 2, 2026

On a special edition of Bleav in Chargers, Hall of Famer LaDainian Tomlinson joins Lorenzo Neal and Matt “Money” Smith to reflect on one of the most dominant eras of Chargers football. LT discusses his mindset, his team's physical identity, and what made their run game nearly unstoppable. LT shares stories from legendary battles with Ray Lewis to record-setting touchdowns. He also discusses the current Chargers, changes on offense, Mike McDaniel’s system, and what the team needs for a deep playoff run. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

If you're listening, I hope you can hear the smiles on our face because what a treat we have for you today. A big thank you to our friends at Fanduil for putting this together because with Lorenzo Neal, I am hopefully going to sit out the majority of this and just let these two go at it. The great LaDadian Tomlinson is with us today. The All of Famer in the conversation, as firmly in the conversation is the greatest running back in the history of the NFL. A former teammate of yours, Lorenzo. I'm just going to let you take it away here. But LT, thanks so much for being with us, man.

Absolutely. Good to be on with you. Hey, T, it's always great to see you, man. And thanks again for coming on. Shoot, let's get right to it and dive in. When you think about your career, I know during the moment, I know you and I have to feel at practice,

I'm like, do you know what you're doing? God, single season touchdown record, all these things. And it was just interesting. You're like, Lo, I don't want to think about it. And now we're here, fast forward, been out of the league removed. When you think about it now, what do you think? Well, I think it was incredible, you know, to kind of have the run that I had, you know, when you think about all the numbers and just the records and all that kind of stuff.

And it's weird, well, because, you know, you kind of realize at the moment that you're doing something special, but you're in the moment and you don't want to, you know, kind of think about anything else other than that current moment and you're trying to be the best that you can absolutely be for your team. And, you know, our teams at that time, obviously, we always had a team. You know, we were always in the talk of they're going to make the playoffs, probably going to win their division. How far can they get in the playoffs? So, in my, my, we're going to, my mind, that's all I thought about. Now, sure, the records were common and people were talking about that, but it wasn't a main focus for me. But now, you know, over the years low and money,

people, you know, coming up to me, talking to me about my historical career and different things and compared me to people of historical running backs and such. I just think, you know, I think back as a kid who had the dreams of just making it to the national football. league and, you know, wanting to live up to the people that I looked up to, Walter Payton, Emmett Smith, Jim Brown, those type of guys. And I would say, guys, I've done pretty good for myself to, you know, kind of be slid right in with those guys. Yeah, no doubt.

You said in the moment, LT, and I would love, because I, you're like, I'm lucky, man, I get to do this every week with Lowe and just such incredible respect, one of my favorite players to watch play, and we talk about it all the time, that, you know, for whatever reason, fullbacks aren't viewed the way they should be, and Lowe should be in the damn Hall of Fame. I don't think there's any question about it. But in the moment, can you think of any,

is there a block that comes to mind when you're running behind Lowe, when he just cleans someone out, and you still have to finish the play, but to yourself, you're kind of smiling like, oh, damn did Loh F that guy up, man. Oh, that happened a lot. You know, but I'll tell you, when I knew Lorenzo Neal was the real deal, and he was the best pullback in the game, and I love my boy Ray Lewis.

Ray, if you're listening, I love you, brother, but I got to tell this story. You know, we're running ISO, and it was low on Ray Lewis. Low Neal against Ray Lewis. Mano e-mano, let's see what we got. And when I see Ray Lewis hit the dirt, like, He didn't want none of Los, Lorenzo O'Neill. And he's not the only one, so don't feel bad, right? That man made a lot of guys hit the dirt.

But when that happened, I said, oh, my God, this man is the baddest man alive in the full dark position. Buddy, it's so many moments, buddy. You know, L.T. Love Kets getting the ball, right? And, you know, you've got to jump in on this. I'm going to tell you, if he's even, he's leaving. And if you see the back of 2-1, I had so many slogans. If you see the back of 2-1, it's too late. I'll tell you a game where L-T did not want the ball.

We're up, 21-0-N-0 in Cleveland, 14 below. I mean, it's cold. L-T's already got it like 80, 90 yards, it's freezing. It's, you know, it's the L-T show. We break the huddle. Snots coming at L-T's nose. It's frozen. He says, he said, low, low.

And I'm in the knife, I'm in the fullback. I look back at, what's up? He said, I can't fill my hands. I was like, what you? want me to do about it. That was the most miserable game I've ever played in. And here's the thing. We knew what was on the line.

We were trying to clinch our first division title. But here's the thing. It was so cold out there. If you remember Lorenzo, the Cleveland Brown's defense, there won't none. They said to us before the game, hey, guys, tell Marty to just run the down ball and let's get the hell out of here. That was their exact words to us. When it comes to the run game, LT and Lowe, you know, both of you can weigh in on this.

It's a way, right, to establish, you know, your physical superiority over another team. And like you said, those teams and the aughts that you guys had when you were reeling off back to back to back, you know, division wins and making runs at the ASC championship game. I would assume there were moments. Now, maybe it wasn't vocalized, but in the fourth quarter when guys had had enough. It's like, come on, man. just can we just said did they did that ever get vocalized to you did you ever could you read it on their bodies when you know that they had had enough and and then what would you do would you back off would you double down like how would you approach that when you had established you know

your your run game your superiority over them they look like they want to quit what do you do in those moments yeah money you know we understood the long game you know we understood how we want to play the brand of football we wanted to employ on the defense. And it had nothing to do with the first quarter. You know, the first quarter was just kind of watch. We're just sending you up. We're just giving you body blows, you know, because we knew that we had the more tougher team. And late in the third quarter, in the fourth quarter, your body language would tell us you were quitting. We were seeing guys walking off the field with their head down, you know, arguing with their coaches arguing amongst each other. That's what we knew. Hey, guys, you know, our brand of football

have just, we've been posing on these guys. We already knew what time it was. And did we back off? Absolutely not. Money, those were the times where it was time for the 50-yard runs. It was time for me to go up over 150 or 200 at times. Those were the kind of days. And here's a thing. Not just me, but my guys, Lorenzo, the offense, a lot, they wanted that. They smelled blood in the water. And that's when they

really wanted to get going. So it was just a beautiful time, a beautiful way to play football. And I think we all enjoyed that brand of football that we played. No question. Money, and you could relate to this. When we Marty, Sean, I'm going to say, we're going to run power, put power, 16, 70 power

on my tombstone. We would line up. And I play with some great backs. You know, of course, you know, Corey Dillon. Well, Corey Dillon said, man, Lo, you're going to play with a rider. I mean, you have Corey Dillon, Eddie George, guys are saying, dude, this guy is special. Running backs don't usually give it up to guys like that, but you can't, Corey's one of those dogs. You know how he is LT. Corey Dill is crazy, but he's like, man, a boy, he can go. Now, you got to. And it's like, when you see this guy doing that, it's like, wow, giving props. I was like, man, he's amazing. You know, he's still

would talk. You know, when we would be winning, Corey's losing. He's like, man, y'all running, man. And it's just, we would line up and we would run power. And LT ran power better than any because he knew how to stay so tight. I'd say, oh, get on my hip and don't dip. He could stay on the up, so short, and the

linebackers, he would make my block so easy. They would be peeping outside because, and he would set my block up. I could kick out. It's one cut. You see how LT, cut on the diamond lead. Ten cents change. The way that he ran, it made everyone's job easier.

Well, Lowe, if you remember, and Monday, I'll say this, I had to get comfortable with running inside. Martin, when he first got to the Chargers, I wanted to balance every power. Now, power is made, you know, 40 and 50 power, if you will, is made to go A-gap.

Like, at the end of the day, we want to hit it in the A-gap. Well, I didn't like that too much. You know, I wanted to, If it wasn't there right away, I wanted to bounce it early because I knew I could use my speed. And Martin would always, you know, he would always scream at me, stay in the A gap, A gap, A gap. And so eventually I learned to look at the A gap and hold the A gap to the very last minute. And it did make Lowe's block and the offensive alignment block easier.

And the reason why I think when I think about on my career, the reason why I believe, I don't believe I didn't really understand or like to hit in an A gap. Because remember, guys, at TCU, we were allowed a perimeter team. A lot of stuff we did was running on the perimeter. So I was so comfortable getting out there and doing my thing that I really had to learn how to be an inside runner. And that came over time. And I believe at the end of the day, that's why the charges went and got a guy like Lorenzo Nile, an imposing fullback that can be my lead man, you know,

and give me comfortable with running this side because he would just sometimes, you know, open up the hole so wide that I didn't have no choice but to go up inside. Yeah, you know, Lo, in LT, I don't want to shift to the current Charger team too quickly, but you kind of gave me this opening here, LT, and you and I work together on the NFL network,

and we've done a bunch of stuff, so we know that LT is still deep in the game and can speak to all of these players and what's going on. So they hire Mike McDaniel. You move on from Scott Matlock, you bring in Alec and Gold, you've got Amari and Hampton back there.

They sign this guy, Keaton Mitchell, right? A guy, because when you said you wanted to bounce everything, when I watch Keaton Mitchell, it's like, yeah, he wants to bounce everything. So when you have that type of speed, I just asked Lowe the other day when we were talking about the signing. I was like, who's the fastest back you ever played? with and he's like, l-T.

So when you have that kind of speed, how hard is it to train yourself? Because you, like Lowe always says, if you're even, you're leaving, is it really hard to train your, I guess, muscle memory or just kind of get yourself into that mindset of, no, you don't have to bounce it every time, even though you think if you do, you're going to hit that corner and take off? Well, it's hard if you don't know exactly what you're reading and how. to read the defense. You know, oftentimes, and I'm guilty of this as well.

As a young back, I was just running on instinct. I didn't understand blocking schemes and over-defense versus an under-defense and a wink and all. I didn't understand that. It was all instinct. But when I learned to, you know, understand blocking schemes and what the defense was trying to do and blitzes and all that kind of stuff, the game slowed down for me. and then money, I can use my talent sometimes to set up the defense, you know,

but also I was more comfortable in being patient to stay inside, you know? And a lot of back, young back, right now, they just don't have the patience to stay inside because they're running on their instinct. And I think it's, you know, it comes with time. And you talk about a guy like Amory and Hampton, I believe he's years ahead of, you know, another young back that hasn't had the type of carries and experience that he's had in college. Because he played a lot in college

and his system a lot of time, inside zone, power, things like that, I think he has the ability already, you know, to be a really good power runner, inside run. And we've seen that already with the kid being able to break tackles and, you know, just use his strength, very powerful, lucid runner already. And Natron said a lot about him. You know, Natron means who coached him, LT, said when we brought him on, he talked about his instinctive and what he can do.

When you look at the chargers and you say the chargers can go deep in the playoff if what is to happen. Well, I believe we have one of the best offensive lines in football. When they are healthy, they will be one of the best offensive lines in football. And I'm a believer. And Lowe, you know this about me. Trenches wins football games, especially when you get to the playoffs, when, you know, those margins get so slim.

Trenches, offensive line, defense line, that's what wins you the game most of the times, being able to control the line of scrimmage. And I think we have all the pieces. If those guys are able to stay healthy up front and along the defensive line, That's what it's going to take. I mean, I'm so excited about the pieces that the charges have, you know, accumulated and a lot of talented guys.

But the key is offensive line. There is no question. What do you make of kind of what's going to shift with the offense and the hiring of Mike McDaniel, LT? When, you know, you think about, you know, when you're talking Marty ball, you're talking Harbaugh ball, right? Full back, tight end with his hand in the ground, running power. or, well, McDaniel, you know what he runs. I mean, it's that Shanahan, Sean McVeigh, you know, a lot of wide zone kind of stuff. How much different is this going to look, you think, this year?

Well, I think it'll be interesting to see how different it looks. But I certainly believe the personnel is there on that team to run the scheme that Mike McDaniel wants to run. You know, I think about back when, if you remember when Jim was, was at San Francisco. They were a wide zone type of team with Kyle and Kaepernick out of the pistol. They would run that wide zone and, you know, they would do some of the things that you've seen Mike McDaguel in Miami do, you know, with the tool in the pistol and running the zone and then the play action

comes off of that. So I'm excited for that part of it because I believe we have the personnel to pull that type of scheme off. Now, at the end of the day, I do think, you know, he's going to want to press the ball down the field, push the ball down the field with Justin Herder. So what guy emerges as that deep threat for us to be able to stress the field and keep defense is honest? But there is no question about it. The offense will look a little different, and I think we'll be a little bit more balanced, but also have that explosive element to it.

When you're thinking about, you know, talking about the offense, you're absolutely right. Offense entertains. We know that defense wins championships. Usually you look at Seattle. You think about, you know, the Ravens back in the day of yesterday year. We're talking about the offense is going to be different. It's going to be balanced. When you look at the defense collectively, where's the biggest concern to you, you know, Max getting a little older?

Do you need another pass pressure? How do you balance and how do you say can this team hold up when it gets a little bit? stick. Yeah, I think Chargers, we've done a great job of kind of building depth along that defensive line over the last few seasons. And I think it's evident why.

You know, if you guys remember, we have struggled a little bit, you know, against the run, particularly interior runs on our defense. And so I think, you know, we have addressed that and it's still yet to be seen. Of course, Khalil is getting a little bit

older. And I would have to say, we have to wait and see what happens in the draft, you know, because I think some of the holes that are possibly there on defense can be filled in the draft when you talk about another pass rusher, when you talk about maybe an interior defense alignment, when you talk about possibly, you know, maybe another linebacker to add depth to that team. But overall, this is a, you know, well-balanced team, I feel, like, has some depth to it. And I think they're right on the cusp of being able to make a deep, deep run and possibly even going to the Super Bowl.

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ZipRecruiter.com slash audio. And you are trying for free right now. ZipRecruiter.com. slash audio. You mentioned wide receiver LT and you played with some great ones. Think about, you know, the great Vincent Jackson and what he was able to do downfield. You and I were sitting on the stage next to each other when they drafted Q. And it's great to see him, you know, kind of dig out of what he found himself in as rookie season and every year he's gotten better. But when you look at that wide receiver room, and I know you were, you know, the beneficiary of a good wide receiver room and how that helps the run game, do, do they know? need, do you feel like they still need that sort of X boundary? Like, I'm just going to run those

nine routes and try to open this thing up. Do you think they need that? Is Lat, is Lat quick enough to do it? Is it, can Q do it? Like, what do you see when you look at that wide receiver room? And is that something that maybe is sort of a quiet, underrated need on this team? Well, that's, that's interesting, Moni, because Q has made the progress that you want to see from a guy that was drafted in the first round and expected to be, you know, one of the top receivers or the top receiver on this team. That's what he was drafted for. And I think we have started to see the explosive element that he could provide. You know, with Lad, man, I think Ladd is a guy that you can line up all in over the place. You know, he can be your Jackson Smith and Jigba, if you will,

a guy that you move around. He can play outside. He can play inside, create mismatches for him. but the guy that I believe needs to kind of come to the forefront is Trey Harris. You know, I think he showed flashes last year, man, that this kid has the potential to, you know, kind of take over. You know, when Keenan came, obviously, you know, and did a great job. But Keenan is older. You know, we need that young guy to kind of assume that role. And I just think it has to be Trey Harris to move into that role. And now you have Q, Trey Harris and Ladd McConkey.

Those three guys lead that group. And I like that quite a bit, quite a bit. With that being said, LT, so you believe if Trey comes to the forefront and continue his progress and continue to mature, you believe that they have their three guys that you don't necessarily, of course, you can get some depth thesis. But you think these three guys are effective enough to become big time players and win it up to win a Super Bowl with these guys. I do, Lorenzo, because. Because, you know, at the end of the day, when you think about Trey, he really can be the Keenan Allen. You know, the guy that can kind of, he, he can stress the field or he could be that position guy.

You know, he's kind of that, that Jack of all trades, I kind of see. I wouldn't say Jack of all Trace, but a guy that opposite of Quinn Johnston, you know, it's someone that you would need in a position like that. And then Lab McConkey, obviously, as I mentioned, he's the jackaball and trades that I would look for in that offense. But you mentioned it, Lorenzo. Yes, there will be depth at it. You know, I don't mind bringing in an older guy, a veteran-type guy, you know, to kind of help that ring, you know, help those guys grow up and grow into the road that they need to be in. So I don't mind it at all. But I do think right now those three guys should be the main focus.

at the wide receiver position for the Chargers. I wouldn't be surprised if you did, but I don't expect you to remember all 145 rushing touchdowns. However, LT, I would expect you to remember each of your seven passing touchdowns. Do you remember each of them? Can you think of who you threw each of your seven touchdown passes too, and how much fun was that?

Oh man. You know, playing quarterback when I was growing up, I guess that part of me never left. I always want, like in practice, I'll tell you, I will mess around throwing the ball sometimes. I'll be with the quarterback's trying to hit the goalposts, you know, different things like that, because I always loved the throw.

So it was so much fun doing that. I always enjoy it, you know, when, you know, we got to run it. I didn't, you know, at the end of the day, I don't think we ran it enough to be, To be honest with you. But let's see. Okay, Keenan McCarter. I know Eric Parker, Antonio Gates,

Drew Brees. Oh, man. Who am I missing? I don't know. I should have looked it up, but I just saw you had seven, and I was like, you know, seven's a number where maybe you could have,

well, you threw, let's see, you passed, you had three of them in one season. You had three of them in two, 2005, two in 2006, and one in 2007. And then you had one your rookie year in 2003. So that is how it all broke down. I was trying to money. I was trying to catch Walter Payton who had eight.

Right. And I remember the one I missed to Antonio Gates. Oh, my God. I remember like it was yesterday. I just kind of yanked it. I just overthrown, you know. And I think Antonio, you know, at that time, you know, he slowed down a little bit.

I would be honest. He should have won't have got. There you go. Well, buddy, I'll tell you what, I think a play that I think shows who LT was, I think, I think, you know, you talked about the run game is when we played Washington Redskins now as the, you know, commanders, were you there? Did you make the call over time? was overtime we gun power

LT left side line with 60 what was it LT 65? 60 yeah yeah what was your thoughts on that game I know you remember that game that moment the tightness of that game was back and forth game the walk off. It was special in the nation's capital I want to say it probably was my first time

planned in the nation's capital and so that it was extra. special for me being, you know, in a place like that. But also, I think, man, I just think about the late great Sean Taylor, you know, guys. And the battle that we had, Lorenzo, if you remember, man, that dude right there, Sean Taylor was amazing. And every time, like, he, you know, he would jump up and, like, he would come flying in. I mean, flying in like a missile.

And he kept on saying, I'm going to get you. you. I'm gonna get you. And I said, well, bring it. Bring it. And we went back and forward, but at the end of that game, the walk-off. By the way, the stiff one was against Ryan Clark. Ryan, I love you, my brother. I'm sorry, Ryan. The stiff one was against Ryan Clark in open field, and to take it all the way. And then, Sean Taylor coming up to me after the game, and he just basically said, hey, man, you're the real deal. Like, you're the best. And that meant a lot because in my mind that kid right there he was on this way to being the greatest to ever do it yeah i listen at low's the one that brings it up so you know i'm just going to beat him to the punch here

uh l t is we're reminiscent about great moments in charger history let's talk about your record setting touchdown run and and how it was set up and how it was supposed to be blocked and what you thought was in front of you and then what ultimately was in front of you and how maybe you overcame that obstacle to set that record. Because I've heard Load describe how he envisioned it went. How would you describe how that play went? Well, I remember when the play came in, Chris Dilman, looking right at being said, run behind me.

And when he said that to me, that was my plane. Like, I wasn't going to break it outside. You know, at all. I was going to run behind Dillman and we were going to kind of push that thing you know into the end zone. I think you know it's weird as I run I rerun it in my mind

when I see low take off for some reason I just seen them I seen them go down because I'm looking in the A gap but out my peripheral I see him go down for some reason and you know he's my he's my robin you know what I mean like he's my league got and at that time it was like book it to the sideline Lorenzo went down I don't see anything

else going on I need to book this to the you know to the sideline and I'm happy at that time I didn't I didn't have Marty's voice in my mind of agap yeah yeah because we probably wouldn't score it's there when no no go on down no question you wouldn't know I don't know I don't I you got to watch that play again. There's three guys. So you got to run to 70. We're running an outside play. So, okay, I know you went downhill.

I'm falling. So I'm dreaming like, man, this is going to be on all because I'm going to blow these guys, knock one guy into another. I'm like, man, they're going to be like, no, yeah. I was ready to do the cripple. I took up. It was, it was like, slow motion. I was like, don't go down.

I'm falling and I can't get up. It was so crazy. I was watching it. I'm trying to crawl on. My hands not the fall. I was like, oh, God, this is not happening to me. But there was three LT. Watch it again.

There's three guys. Yeah. I don't think you. I know. There was three guys out there. I don't know how you got in the end of all. But see, what I did, though, low in money is if you watch it, my shimmy inside to make it look like I was about to hit that B or A gap because you, you mentioned it.

I track was wider. And so it did make those linebackers flow a little bit. But when I shimmy, it stopped their feet because they thought, oh, my God, is he going back inside? And then I just booked it to the end zone. You know, it was, yeah, it was pretty fun. Low routinely points out that, you know, that that is, look, it's an iconic moment in NFL history, in Charger history. And so that thing gets played all the time. And it tortures my poor guy here.

He's like, man, like, I've got to relive that play over of all the moments he had on the field in his career. Well, outside of the Music City Miracle, of course, which he helped orchestrate. That's probably the second most, I would say, viewed play you've ever been part of, Lowe. And so, you know, you take the yen with the Yang. You got the Music City miracle, and then you got that. Hey, sometimes you get the bear. Sometimes the bear gets you. I got a question for you, money.

And always two at LTs horn, because easy to do, because it's a greater, everyone, talks about how great of a player he was. I think he's a greater person. But if I told you, I said, hey, look, Marshall Falk, Isaac Bruce, think about the receivers he had. Edron James, think about the quarterback. Think about the receivers. Think about what he had.

When you think about Elty, and I'm not saying he didn't have good receiver, but if you think about Emmett Smith, look who he had, Playmaker, if you look at what LT had, and I'm not saying Vince and those guys later on in their career, didn't. But when you think about his body of work and these other guys, guys, how much more did they have? When you really think about, isn't that pretty amazing when you think about what he did for the young, it seemed that he was on? Yeah, I think L.T. hit it on the head. The first name that came out of his mouth was Walter Payton. And I think

about what Walter meant to the Bears and, you know, the quarterbacks, the wide receivers. I mean, it was the Walter Payton show. And, and he was able to put a team on his back and carry them, you know, into a Super Bowl. And, and, and, a Super Bowl and I think the same thing is said of LT. And again, it's not sliding players that there's teammates. It's just that's how the team was designed. And it's just, you know, it's the old Vince Lombardi approach, right? Well, here's what we're going to do. Good luck beating us at it. And if you can, we'll get our Capsdie. And I do feel like that's what that era of the 2000s chargers were. You know, it was it was the LT show. And it's, if you can stop them, great.

Good luck trying because everyone knows, you know, everyone knew what was happening. and they couldn't do it. And I think, you know, when I think about that, and I'm so appreciative and honored that the belief in me that I had that time, that I had that ability. Because I'm telling you, people tell you, you know, you see certain things on film, but inside sometimes you question yourself. Even, you know, through the midst of all this greatness,

you know, you question. man, you know, can I get it done today? You know, are we going to win? Like, what you just do? And so I appreciate when I look back the belief in me, you know, coach, you know, Schadenheimer and the offense and we're going to put the ball in this guy's belly and throw it to him as much as possible. And then thank God I was able to, you know, to hold up and continue to, you know,

get all those touches. And then when I think about it, not ever having one surgery is pretty special. That's not pretty special. That's incredible. I can't see that. Right. Yeah, the amount of touches, double digit touchdowns, the first one, I think, nine or ten years. Double digit plus touches, rushing touchdowns, by the way.

I shouldn't say touches. Touchdowns. Double digit touchdowns rushing. I think it's nine or ten. I don't want to short you a year here. LT. I know we've kept you longer than we said we were going to, but I do want to ask because, like I said, LT and I work together. And look, you know, I don't want to name names, but some guys you work with, you know, they were there. They had a name. It would flash on the screen.

And you could tell they were just trying to figure out what was going on in the moment. And then you work with guys that you could tell, you know, they were into it. And they knew exactly what they were watching and LT and I are at the Combine or we're at the draft man and he's got 20, 30 running backs deep that he's evaluating and he knows exactly what he's looking at and he knows exactly what he's talking about. And I used to love working with him. And I do think you have to have a passion and I love to do that because it's a lot of work, man, and it's a lot of grind and tape and it's not the most fun thing unless you really enjoy it. So, you know, you got Philip coaching high school football in Alabama and I firmly believe he's going to take a step

to college or the pros. he's going to be a head coach and Kyle. I wouldn't be surprised if he followed his son, you know, and did that. But we got Tony Jefferson, you know, with us that was working in the front office and scouting for the Raven. So what's the plan, LT? We're going to be coaching. We're going to be scouting. Like, because I know you love it.

I know you're a junkie and I know you're watching. So what are we doing here? Well, I've been coaching my son for the last three seasons at his school. He's a freshman now in high school. and I tell you, I'm enjoying kind of giving back and developing the kids we have at that high school. He's at the Oak Ridge High School in Arlington, Texas. And I tell you, man, I just love it. I'm the co-opens coordinator and running backs coach.

And I think, you know, hey, listen, I would never put a cap on, you know, kind of my future. I would never say, you know, definitive what I'm, you know, like I'm not going to coach or I'm not going to scout because I'm open to it. You know, I'm really enjoying being around the game and studying it even more. And the game has evolved and it's changed. So all this RPO stuff and, you know, different things that offenses are doing, I'm intrigued by it. And I just love studying it. And so who knows, money? I mean, you know, it can happen.

I could continue this coaching thing or, you know, going to the front office one day, but there's yet to be seen. Hey, Lowe, I want to jump in real quick and ask. If Phil, let's just say, let's, I'm not going to say where, because I don't want to take somebody's job. But if Phil gets, if Philip gets a head coaching job and he calls you, because I do think, I can totally envision him doing that and bring in a bunch of his guys with him.

If Philip called and said, hey, I want you. And I don't know where it's going to be, you know, where you would have to move to. But what would you do if Philip called and asked? You're talking to me or LT? Both? I'm talking to both of you guys. Because he's your friend and because you know him, because you play with him, you would listen. You would go out and look at it.

And you know what? And you would take a serious look at it. I would definitely, if LT called, if he had a head, I mean, you definitely, I know what it takes. to win. And I think LT can chime in too. We know what it takes to be great. And do you, and it's so hard sometimes when I watch, I go out and put on camps or I'll go to high schools and I'll help. And the way that you have to push and the things that you have to get out of the kids and these young men, I don't know because of so many change, are they willing to sacrifice what you want? Because it's hard to coach and hard to give it your all when you want something

more than the kids. So that's the only thing that I wrestle with money personally about getting into coaching, and that's what stopped me thus far. Yeah, I think for me, of course, Philip is a friend and I want nothing but the best for him.

I believe he has, you know, a bright future at the head coaching position. So, of course, I would consider it. I just think it would depend on where I am, you know, and kind of getting my son and my daughter through high school, you know, all that kind of stuff and getting them on their way before I made a true decision like that. But at the end of the day, Lod just spoke to it. You know, in order to coach, you have to remove who you were as a player

and understand the kids that you're coaching and have patience at the end of the day. Because the patience of developing these kids and teaching is the most, important part. Nowadays, it's not so much about skill. It's really not. It's about development. You know, certain kids are going to have the skill, but if they're not being developed, their skill is only going to go so far. Today's game is about developing, you know, and understanding, communicating. And I think that part of it, not to my own horn, but that part of it, I understand from a culture standpoint. Yeah, and I think you, look, there's nothing better than high school football, man.

Yeah. It really is just, there's a reason why you're there, LT, there's a reason why Phillips there. There's just something special about that age with those kids and the impact you can have in their lives in those four years and, you know, teaching them the lessons that football is able to teach them, right? Absolutely. There's nothing. You know, money, when I first started, man, I just. I don't know. You know, you go, you don't know what they expect when you first walk out there on the field with those kids and they're looking at you, you know, wide-eyed and bushy-tailed, like, coach, tell me something that's going to change my life. And you feel like every day is the challenge of, you know, doing what's best for them.

You want to know what keeps me up at night thinking about how can I get my running backs better? Like, how can I protect them while they're out there on the field? I cannot, you know, make sure that, you know, their mom or dad, or, you know, it's not worried about what they're doing on the field and that they're, you know, can protect themselves and all those things. That's what a coach goes through. And that's weird because I can, I can, you know, look back and see kind of, you know, what my high school coaches and college coaches worried about and the way they approach the game as well.

low i uh i think we've we've we've certainly kept him a heck of a lot longer than we said we were gonna so i don't know if you got anything left for him i feel like we've exhausted it it was a lot of fun doing this though man no question about it lta you're the best man we appreciate you coming on i know you got a busy guy busy schedule and like i always tell people you're a better person you were a player and you were hell of a player best that ever did it one of not the best and you did it with class. And people think that you're always so meek and humble, but they don't know that line that's in there.

When you walked on the field or people got in your way, you think LT's me. LT's tough. This is a guy that if I had to go to a bar and there was a guy that guy who got to grab, even though he might, the statue may not be big, there was a line inside of that boy. That I love. It was a competitive.

You know, thank you, Lowe for saying that. But, you know, being a competitive, man, at all means, at all means you get the job done. At the end of the day, money, I just believe if it came down to me or you, I'm going to win if I had to, you know, bite, scratch, whatever I had to do, I'm going to do it to win in competition. But low, man, I love you, man. You've been so good to me over the years and still is.

And you're a dear friend, man. So appreciate all that you do for me, bro. I'm not. Blessings. You too, brother. Love you, man. There we go. Now we're just going to get low into the Hall of Fame. That way he can wear one of them cool shirts like you're wearing right now, L.T. Money when he was talking about how he would fight you to, you didn't tell him your wrestling story.

You didn't tell me you was a wrestler. And, you know, your brief career. My time is the under 70-pound second-place finisher in the city of Hammond, Indiana, is we can put a pin in that for another day. As great as the stories are. Okay. But I could dominate the under 70 pound class in sixth grade. We will save with those.

We appreciate. We'll talk about the rassan and the stories when Lorenzo in the locker room. We'll talk about it. Oh, see, now those are stories we need. No, money. No, not until you do yours, money. Next time, L.T.

that's next time timeout we're cutting this it's over we're appreciate everyone thanks to lindsay for putting it together l t you're the best uh and we'll talk soon cheers both up