Purple Insider - a Minnesota Vikings and NFL podcast - MINNESOTA VIKINGS DAY 3 DRAFT RECAP (Part 2)

Episode Date: April 26, 2026

Matthew Coller breaks down the Minnesota Vikings' Day 3 NFL Draft selections, including a fullback, cornerback, running back and center. The Purple Insider podcast is brought to you by FanDuel. Also, check out our sponsor HIMS at https://hims.com/purpleinsider Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

This episode of Purple Insider is presented by Fandul. Hunter says okay with going away from positional value on day three. That's, you know, that's mostly how I feel. You don't have to do that because a lot of that has been raked over a million times. And somebody like Jacoby Thomas could slip through the cracks for you, a late day two pick. But if you could get day three guys who do anything, special teams, play some role on offense, give you quality depth, then you've probably hit.

just not a million fourth round draft picks out there that end up working out. So you should try to aim for guys that you're very confident in. At the same time, a lot of running backs and receivers went off the board that you went, no. Oh, okay. Not that one either. Okay. All right. You sure?

You sure you don't want to draft that guy? Forrest says banks should be clear, but likely won't participate in OTAs. Hopefully he could compete in camp without risk of. re-injury. Yeah, I think that the injury thing is something that you kind of have to just put away for now. Like, if he's cleared and their doctors have said, all right, well, it's just, it's just an old metatarsal. Like, all right, well, that's, that's what we do now. I mean, you can't go to bed every single night saying, I, I, I, I'm terrified that Caleb Banks's foot's going to get hurt. Like, that's just too much stress. But when it comes to the, you know,

drafting him that has to be factored in the injury history. But I think even the fact that he's being set back until training camp should lower the expectations for year one. That is something we're going to have to manage because everyone's going to want to see 50 snaps a game from Caleb Banks. But he wasn't even playing 50 snaps a game in college. I mean, he played less than 500 snaps in his two full seasons. So this is someone who's going to have to be worked in slowly and not having a

TAs not having mini camp. That just sets him behind even farther. So Dominic Orange will have to probably play right away. And Jalen Redmond's going to have to take on a big load. And then somebody else, Levi Drake Rodriguez, go get him. You know, Elijah Williams, Ty and Grub Dawkins. Like, they've got dudes that they've been developing. So Banks does not have to just jump right in there and be an incredible player.

Highboy, Tyne, personally see another Pat Williams and Banks. I mean, there's, there's a rarity of the guy. I don't quite see that exactly because Pat Williams was probably 30 pounds. Maybe I'm being polite, 30 pounds heavier than Caleb Banks. Pat Williams was one at one. I mean, there's just not many guys in history who are the size of Pat Williams. Banks has a little more pass rush potential, but Pat Williams had one of the craziest getoffs for a guy that size in NFL history. He was just unstoppable because how could a man that weighs 350 on a good day end up being

that quick? I don't know if that's quite bangs. I think that the like Callais Campbell, this big giant towering guy who's really hard to block and could get to the backfield is more of the style that you're looking for. Your DeForest Buckner, that kind of player, more than exactly a Pat Williams, but they're hoping Dominic Orange can be a little more Pat Williamsy. Eric says it's a degrade for me because all the talent they passed on to get subpar players they got. Well, you know, versus to use the consensus board again, versus the consensus board, there's not a lot of guys I would say were subpar if we're using that as par.

Like par is where you were expected to go. Did they get a bunch of steals? Not really. But other than banks, it was mostly guys that were drafted in the range where they were supposed to be drafted. What's hard about the draft is now that we have, and again, part of the problem, we have so much information, so much discussion, so much conversation. We really like the idea of a lot of guys. And I'll give you one that we'll be looking at probably for a long time, would be Emmanuel of McNeill Warren.

I think Jake Golda is a great pick. He's my favorite pick of this draft other than the fullback. Favorite pick of this draft, I think Gold Day is going to turn into a very good player. I saw Ben Lieber make a comparison to Anthony Barr, but imagine if Anthony Barr played his, now, he had a really damn good career with Mike Zimmer, part of major part of number one defenses and stuff like that. But if he had played his whole career with Brian Flores, I mean, it might have even been a crazier career for Anthony Barr and would have been lining up a lot of different spots,

would have had a lot of different blitzes and looks and things like that. So that's kind of Jake Olday. I really like the way that pick fits in. But Emmanuel McNeil Warren would have been much more of a like lock them in right away. And I think there's a lot of players that they passed on that you could have locked into a role that you could see being a difference maker right away. And when you take a backup offensive lineman in the third, that's where you go, oh boy. And we should take a look at this a little bit. The beginning of the fourth round of this draft.

And I know that sounds ridiculous, but I thought there was a lot. lot of talent in it. The beginning of the fourth round of the draft had a lot of guys that I thought, boy, they, you know, I like this backup offensive linemen, but there was this guy and this guy and this guy, Skyler Bell is the one that comes to mind the most. Maybe we could take, uh, maybe I could take a look at that here over on ESPN's, uh, draft cast. Let's take a look. Because the fourth really stuck out to me. I'm going to have to find how to go back and, oh, rounds, here we go. Go back and look at the four, the top of the fourth. So these are the guys that they decided not to go with in order to take the, uh, third round, Jacoby Thomas and Caleb Tiernan.

Jermad McCoy ended up going the first pick of the fourth round, which at the end of the third, there is certainly an argument for going to get Jermad McCoy, because even if he has some major health issues, this was a top 15 player in the draft, but I mean, maybe there was a hey, we've red flagged this guy out to Wazoo, and there's just no way we can go with him. But, you know, kind of the next team up on the board almost ends up taking him in the fourth round and you passed on him. So if he becomes a great player and the knee issue gets resolved,

the Raiders are going to look genius for taking him at the top of the fourth. Here's another one where you go Dominique Orange in the third, a really good player. But Darrell Jackson goes a little later. Could you have waited on him? this is sort of like the board management that I think it that because a lot of you have become and I'm complimenting you so educated about the draft you start to look at this and go did you manage this the right way to get the to get the most out of it and with someone like

Brennan Thompson who I could see being a very exciting player he ends up going to the chargers right away in the fourth that's what I mean Caleb Proctor penetrating defensive tackle he goes early in the fourth, Grayson Hulton early in the fourth, Jonah Coleman. There was just a run, Jaden Kennedy, a cornerback safety from Oregon,

who I think could be a starter. A lot of talent went very early in the fourth round that the Vikings decided not to go with late in the third, and they would have had to have made these picks late in the third because they didn't have a fourth.

Other potential fits, Jalen Farmer is supposed to be a center. He went to Indianapolis. He's from Kentucky. Some cornerbacks, Devin Moore. Kianti Scott, who I had highlighted Elijah Surat, the wide receiver, kind of a contested catch monster, goes to the Baltimore Ravens, Danny Dennis Scott as a pure edge rusher that's kind of

built like Daniel Hunter. And I know that's a fallacy, but he did produce a little bit more in college. Mike Washington, I was just not sold on that idea at any point. But, you know, Malik Muhammad, Skylar Bell, there's some guys here. Connor, uh, Connor Lou goes into the middle of the fourth Genesis Smith. there were just quite a few of these guys that I think we had talked about quite a bit as potential targets. And then you go backup offensive linemen, reach on a safety. And I think that's what you're kind of getting at.

Like you passed on a lot of those guys. P3T, totally agree. Not everyone will see the field. But it tells us how they feel about their team. They must really like a lot of, or they must really like a lot of guys that we are met on. Oh, that could definitely be true that players that are on the current team, they could be higher on than we think. And this is like the Josh Mattelis theory when I think it was 2023 when Brian Flores took over and I was doing a preseason 53.

I think it was 2023. I was doing a preseason 53 and I had Josh Mattelis getting cut before camp because I just had no idea. Like, I don't know that they're high on Josh Mattelis. I think that he's just sort of a fringe type of guy. And then it turns out, Brian Flores loves him. So they might feel that way about Jay Ward, potentially, or feel like Theo Jackson took big steps forward, even though he was a first-time starter. You know, those kind of things. So we'll eventually do a look at the UDFAs.

I'm not too concerned about that at the moment. I know those are like flying in, but we'll do that eventually. That's probably its own video. Dan said, not that, you know, I don't want to talk about them if there's somebody interesting, but they'll release the list. Dan said, is Banks a mid-year starter to men with the foot, are the Vikings in a position to take that high of a risk in the first? I say the risk is not worth it.

Well, I don't, I mean, it comes to starter. I mean, they're going to rotate a lot of players. I have trouble thinking that Caleb Banks in year one is ready to play. 40 snaps a game. Like more likely than not, what Brian Flores is going to do is he's going to identify, here's where Caleb Banks is going to be comfortable. So, hey, it's third and seven. Let's get him out there, right?

Or second and 13, or maybe, you know, goal line. They want the most size and girth down there. And they're going to mix and match in order to get him out on the field. But they're not going to say to him, go be Linval Joseph. go play 57 snaps in week one he's not ready for that and he's never he's never done that so i don't think the foot's going to hold them out as in or at least it's not projected to as in missing training camp he's supposed to be ready for camp it's not he's not going to hold have be out for half the season and then finally get in it's more like how do you get a guy completely ready because he

can't train right now the same way other people can they're healthy so then he starts training camp from behind from a physical perspective and a mental perspective, you're going to have to just work him in a little bit slowly at the start and then develop him from there and then see when he gets to the middle of maybe next year where he's at. The Pollux is I feel like Flores grab tough football players who I think are going to bring grit and intensity, Banks, Gold Day, Big Citrus and the Miami safety all seem like hard-nosed physical players. And certainly today,

Bretteson would fall under that category as well. I really think that they picked a lot of those guys. Yeah, I mean, it was clear that physical toughness, the trenches, some grit to this team were things that were on their mind, not getting run over.

I mean, it's pretty embarrassing at times last year when they got run over. The way that Pittsburgh ran against them, the way Cleveland ran against them at times in that game, thinking about the chargers kind of ran whenever they wanted to. And I know that they got it figured out a lot in the second half of the year, but that had to be on their mind as they were drafting that they were getting smoked a lot on the interior of the defensive line.

So they got more beef there. And they got, I mean, I like Jacoby Thomas a lot. I was watching him last night. That's right. After five hours of live streaming, if you want to go back and check that out, five hours of live streaming, I was. going back and watching Jacoby Thomas. But I also saw a lot of him play during the college season.

He is an instinctual player, playmaker, brings the boom. I mean, I like that draft pick a lot. And if you were telling me spend a first round on Thineman or a late third round on their favorite safety, I would have said late third round all day. So that's what I mean is like I don't want to make it sound like I am super down on what they did, like some people have been here. And I do think that they have done. gotten guys who can shape an attitude for this team to some extent and shape a little bit more

of you're not going to run over the Minnesota Vikings because they got the 6-6-3-30 guy in there and the 6-2-3-30 guy in there. It's not a bad thing to have two dudes that weigh, you know, almost 700 pounds together on the interior of the D-line with a bunch of quick linebackers and Jalen Redman who wins his one-on-ones. Like, that sounds pretty good if it ultimately works out. getting a thumping kind of safety who had five interceptions last year, playmaker,

uh, like that as well. And it sounded like they really jelled well with him from a personality perspective. So, you know, I'm, I'm definitely down, uh, with that.

Uh, Hans, I was hoping for a punter on day three because of the success of the kicker. Uh, that's funny. Yeah, punter that, that one I would have downgraded immediately for. The UDFA, uh,

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Prescription required, see website for full details, restrictions, and important safety information. The magic scientist, as I understand, the Pro Bowl swing at 18, especially in a down draft. It's not that I don't understand it. It's that we have to acknowledge that there are a lot of pitfalls. That's the best way that I can put it is you don't have to, even though the analysis universe on television is made up of, I have a super strong take that I am going to dig in and yell louder.

like that's just not how I look at stuff. I look at stuff as a bunch of outcomes. I kind of in my brain have a chart. It's like what could happen range of outcomes, what is the best possible outcome, what is the worst possible outcome, what's the median outcome, and what factors could go into all of those things.

So the best possible outcome is very easy to figure out from Caleb Banks, just watch his NFL Combine and his highlight reel, you go, all right, I know what the best possible outcome is, superstar. That could happen. What is the percentage that he actually gets there? Well, on the way there, it's almost like if you are old and never played Mario, how you got little flame balls coming at you and you have to fight Bowser and everything.

It's like, that's kind of Caleb Banks, where there's the injury thing that he has to overcome. There's the lack of experience that he has to overcome. Those two are huge things. There's the technical elements that he clearly has to overcome. Otherwise, he would have produced a lot better in college if he was a technically sound player. So those are, you know, the flaming stuff that are coming at you and probably the lack of production is Bowser at the end.

That's hard to defeat for a defensive tackle if you didn't produce in college. But it doesn't mean that Mario never lives. Like, you can get to the end. It's just the worst possible outcome is easy to see that it just doesn't work out in any way that there's injuries, never quite develops the way they thought he could, and he is at best kind of just a guy, just like a Jerry Tillery or something. Big guy, physical talent, but he's sort of just there. And the median outcome's pretty damn good, though.

And that's one of the reasons to draft Caleb Banks. If he does not turn out to be Akeem Hicks, he does not turn out to be Callais Campbell. Okay. Well, what if he just turns into a very good player who is physically super tough to deal with? Well, that sounds okay. That's worth a good amount of money in free agency. If he becomes 75% of what people think he can become for his ceiling, then he's going to play a ton of football and he's going to have some splashy highlight plays

and maybe somewhere he disappoints. and he would be worth, I don't know, $18 million in free agency, like, which is almost the highest paid safety. So it's the right positional value. That is the range of outcomes. And nobody knows where he's going to fall on it. But if we're putting percentages on it, there's probably a 10% chance he becomes Calais Campbell or Akeem Hicks.

And there's probably a 40% chance that he becomes a good version. and then there's probably a 50% chance that it just doesn't work the way that people think because there's three or four different pitfalls that, you know, could hold them back from that. And so that's how I see the matrix or whatever in my analysis, but I don't know how it's going to turn out. I just look at it as what are the chances that you could get to each one of those spots. John Henderson. That's who brought up John Henderson.

That's a good name. John Henderson is a is a great name for what Caleb Banks could be but that's I mean that's an old school one but that is a that's a fun name to bring up certainly Jason says big citrus will be a massive gain for this team a guy like big citrus or even Max Bredison they're guys that are around the edges that bring you sort of quiet value. So just for example, with a Dominic Orange, if you have your linebackers and your outside linebackers who are kind of like wasps, like they buzz around and they sting

with their blitzes, right? And they're over here. They're over there. If you have those guys with someone on the interior who can take a center and eliminate him and just move him back, move him left, move him right, wherever that guy wants to go because of the power and strength of your nose tackle, that's really valuable in your blitz game, even if he doesn't get a lot of credit for it. And in the run game, I just remember, and I can't get out of my head with Casey Hampton, what a dominant player he was. But there's,

you know, 20 different guys over the years that were like this, where you line them up over the center. And if they hand off right up the middle, that guy, is taking his lineman and he is just closing that gap. What offensive linemen are trying to do is to create gaps for running backs. So you want to, as a lineman, I'll just give you an example for a center. What a center is going to try to do on an outside zone run is they are going to take the snap and they are going to reach block, which is they get to the outside shoulder of the defensive tackle.

So the defensive tackles right over them, they are getting to the say, I guess it would be the right shoulder if you're running left. They're trying to get to the right shoulder. And what they're trying to do is get outside that guy and turn him because that creates a gap behind them. That's what they're trying to do. If you have someone like Dominique Orange who is that big, that wide, that strong, it's really hard to do that.

So a lot of the run schemes have something to do with moving someone, tilting someone, changing their leverage. And the best offensive lineman can do it unbelievably well. you know, a Jason Kelsey can snap the ball and he'll be on the other side of that guy before he even blinks. But most centers can't. And that's a very subtle thing that I just brought to you for, for, you know, the big citrus. It's not something that they're going to show on Red Zone when, you know, the nation is

watching the highlight reel, basically, the live highlight reel. Like, they're not going to, hey, hey, guys, let's, who is the guy who does the Red Zone, whatever his name is. Scott Hanson, he's not going to be like. Everybody, you've got to see this. They tried to block his outside shoulder and they didn't get there. And it was a two-yard loss. You're not going to see that.

That's going to be something that you have to look all 22. It's something the coaches are going to understand, but not something that's going to show up in a box score. And, I mean, PFF grades try to capture that. It definitely does better than anything else. But even then, it can be a little bit tough to try to even capture, like, the actual value of that because, If you don't get turned, then guess who can run in and make a tackle?

Ivan Pace Jr. can suddenly be a better player. Or Eric Wilson undersized or Blake Cashman undersized or Josh Mattelis undersized. So there is a ripple effect if that guy works out. The problem is if that guy doesn't work out, then he's just a big guy doing nothing. That's the one thing. Mark says a completely hands-off ownership is as bad as Jerry Jones. I don't think this is a completely hands-off ownership. the issue that they run into is something that I've always struggled to criticize them for,

which is that they always want to be in the mix. And sometimes you have to, and this time is not now, by the way. This time is not now. This is more of a historical, like they always want to be in the mix. And at times have not been able to kind of look in the mirror and say, you're not in the mix. And that's my 2019 to 2020 comparison. And so if you're looking forward from like this year to next year, this year they have, I think it's a B plus roster in a NFC that has two A plus rosters and a lot of B plus rosters.

It's Seattle and the Rams are A plus and then everybody else or maybe the Rams are A plus and, you know, the Seattle's an A or whatever the heck you want to say. But those are the best teams, the NFC. And then San Francisco is fairly close. But behind that, the Vikings, the Eagles, the lions, the Packers, the Bears, even the Cowboys, I thought actually had a very good draft. All those teams are hovering between B and B Plus, depending on whose stuff works out this year or not. So this year doesn't really qualify. It really goes back to that turning point from 2019 to 2020,

where they doubled down on something that had never really worked. And I wonder what that's going to mean for the future, is will they double down on something that didn't work or didn't get them to the place that they were. wanted to get to this year. That's what I wonder for the future. But if you were looking for a draft that totally changed the outlook of 2026, you didn't get it.

You definitely didn't get it. John says, watch that third round pick we get in 27. That's going to be a strong draft. Right. So that's exactly what I'm saying. Like Caleb Tiernan is a pick that for 2026, I mean, you're actually hoping that he doesn't have to play. if he plays, that means something went wrong.

But if Brian O'Neill doesn't sign a contract extension because they don't want to give out gigantic money, then you have your potential starting right tackle. I think that a guy with his arm length can't start at left tackle, but he might be able to start right tackle because he's got athleticism. He's got burst. That helps him a lot with recovery and stuff like that, running guys by. You could probably play right tackle in the NFL and maybe guard. and if Will Fries is not here and you keep O'Neill, then maybe you've got this, I don't know, two guys that are twin towers on the right side

that are both six foot seven, and that's a lot for teams to deal with. Down the road, some of these picks look a lot better if you start to try to project what they can be in the future. But I can see where people went, hey, this is kind of the last year of a run of a roster, so did you help yourself much for this year? and I don't know that the answer is yes for helping themselves much this year.

It's pretty hard to identify where that would be. Golda might play, but, you know, ideally, again, he's not on the field a lot because you have Andrew Van Ginkle and Dallas Turner. Dominique Orange, I think he's going to play quite a bit. And then after that, I mean, Demand Claiborne, your guy who plays the most might be the fullback you drafted for right away. So this is a draft for 2020. that I think gives them maybe some foundational players, especially Caleb Banks.

If by in the best case scenario by 2027, if he's going into that camp and they're saying, look at this freaking guy, then that's great for them because that's a position that you can't replace defensive tackle. And so if they had Orange and Banks and it both works out and those guys are impossible to deal with, well, that's great for the future. But for this year, it's not super likely Dominique Orange is just going to throw offensive lineman, you know, into the backfield right away. He's going to have to learn how to do that.

And it's not super likely that Caleb Banks is going to dominate right away. And it's not super likely that Jacoby Thomas is going to be a starting safety. Some of these things could happen, but they're not likely. It's more down the road. And I'm the person that always says you draft for a couple years out. So that's why I have to be kind of some of these picks. I really wondered about the guys that they passed on. Are you sure?

Are you sure you don't want to take Skylar Bell with one of these third round picks rather than a backup offensive lineman? Are you sure? Because I think he could be pretty helpful. Maybe there's a plan there at wide receiver. But that one is like, are you sure that you didn't want to get one of those guys? Brennan Thompson, one of these wide receivers who could potentially be really good for you in a wide receiver three spot.

Are you sure you didn't want to take Sam Hect, the offensive center for Kansas State, who some people thought was the best center in the draft? Jake Slaughter and Logan Jones, I thought, were better and they got drafted higher. But still, like a lot of people like Sam Hect, are you sure you didn't want to take the potential starting center? I don't know. So there's a lot of that in this draft. Blind Shadow Vortex, very, very deep there. Turner, Redmond, Orange Banks, Gink, awesome front five.

I could throw Golda into that as well, depending on what he does. It has the potential, yes, to be a very good front seven if it works out. away and that's kind of the thing right i mean if it ends up working out um then it could be an amazing front five but also if it doesn't then it's kind of van ginkle and turner and question marks or rotations or you know things like that uh jake says minnesota saved 34 it's 34 million i think but 35 whatever uh and uh gets dallas turn around the field two third round picks is gravy right the problem is you don't have john Jonathan Grenard, that would be the issue.

And if you look at, you know, the way Kevin O'Connell and Rob Brzezinski talked about it, I mean, it was like their dog had run away from home. I mean, Jonathan Grenard is a very, very good and highly respected star NFL player that usually if you're trading away the best player, you lose the trade. It's great to get cap space. But the problem is the reason you're in this position is that. you mismanaged again the cap by throwing money at everything last off season. And it was a lot of fun and it was like, okay, they must really believe in J.J. McCarthy.

And then when that didn't work out, it's, uh-oh, SpaghettiOs with the salary cap. And you're looking around going, oh, oh, no, we did it again where you kicked money down the road. And now you've got to rely on a cheap quarterback here in this instance or, you know, trying to, you know, cobble certain things together, just to hope that they work. You know, that's not really ideal that you're put in a position where you have to trade someone like Jonathan Grenard because I know getting Turner on the field is important, but you also don't have to play Dallas Turner and Jonathan Grenard at the same time. So, I mean, or, you know, you don't have to.

You can rotate them if you wanted to. In an ideal world where there's no salary cap, you just have Grenard and Turner rotate and you'd be better. now you're putting all your eggs in the basket of a guy who's played a half a good season. So that's not ideal to try to win in 2006. But that's basically the symptom of what they did over the last couple of years. Would they push to go all in? And that's why you don't.

And usually. And it was risky last year. And we talked about this. It was risky last year. They got a UDFA punter. That's wonderful. That's wonderful. punt off, punt off.

I'm not being sarcastic. That is wonderful. I want this punt off. I want this punt off to happen. But you get my point, though, right? Like, if they hadn't made risky decisions that didn't pay off last year because they needed this push to go all in to overpay a guard, overpay defensive tackles, overpay a running back, overpay, overpay, overpay, then they wouldn't be in a position where they'd be getting rid of

Jonathan Granard. So you don't win that. That downgrades you. It does not upgrade you. I think there are benefits. And if they sign a wide receiver here of the number of guys that are still available, and they get the cap space for next year and they can spend that on someone else, certainly there are benefits.

But the downside is a great player left your team and made you worse. That's hard to say, great job front office. You win. Dumer K.O. Day one and two were rough. Day three felt pretty good. overall feeling like an above average business as usual for the Vikings. I think that, you know, some people said if Quasi Adolph-Menzha was running this draft,

that they would, they'd probably be picketing outside of the stadium or whatever. And that might be true. But it felt like, it really felt like a very standard Vikings-E draft to me, sort of Rick era without all the. trade downs where they got football players that they considered to be good football players. And they didn't put this crazy emphasis on positional value. And they didn't put much emphasis on how, although they did okay versus the consensus. It wasn't a disaster at the end of the day versus the consensus board.

There was a chart breaking down every team. And they were in the middle where the Vikings are in every single chart of all time. But again, you know, Carolina was at the top. of getting the most players that were versus the consensus board. It's not like they're brilliant and they're going to win the Super Bowl because of it, but you have a little edge potentially by doing that. And the Vikings have not had an edge pretty much anywhere in their team building since I'm not sure when.

I really don't know when. I didn't feel it during Rick. I didn't feel it during Quasi. Like, do they win negotiations? and get great contracts for players that are like immediately, wow, that, I mean, a couple times, like for Van Ginkle, yes, but mostly they paid top dollar for everything. They paid top dollar for Aaron Jones.

Who were they bidding against last year for Aaron Jones? Probably nobody at his price. They paid top dollar for Byron Murphy. They paid top dollar for Jonathan Allen. And in the drafts, they drafted against the consensus. And you continue to do these things that have been looked at and studied and researched and you go, well, it's not the most efficient thing to do. And yes, you can certainly win with bunting someone over to second base and knocking them home with a single. You can.

But what are your chances of winning that way in Major League Baseball in 2006? So that's kind of how I think of this team where it's a, it is a little bit sort of business as usual, which doesn't feel like where it needs to be if you're going to get to the next level of this thing. it feels like you have a B to B plus roster, which I think I've covered almost every single year since I've been here with the Vikings, and the only A plus roster is 2017. And the rest of the way,

2018 was probably an A plus roster and an F minus offensive coordinator, but I don't know. And, you know, maybe it's not an A plus roster. Maybe it's more like a B plus roster. Yeah, I would say the only year that they've had an A plus roster is in 2017. they went to the NFC championship.

And every other year, it's been somewhere between B minus and B plus. It's never been horrible. The roster in 2021 was good. But, you know, Zimmer came apart and they botched field goals and whatever fumbled away games at the beginning of that year that set them in a hole. But it was a good roster. It could have been a 10-win roster that lost in the first round of the playoffs. I think that's where the frustration leaks into.

If we're evaluating a draft, it doesn't happen in a bubble. You don't just look at players you got and, uh, let's look at them just specifically. It's part of all of it's part of a bigger picture of not just like this year, next year, projecting forward, but in this case, it's more of like a decade type of thing of how have you gone about your business. And for that reason, and, and I don't think this was a bad job by any means. Like, again, one year down the road, whoever is the general manager,

I think will be appreciative of some of the stuff they have. If Caleb Banks is emerging, if the backup offensive tackle is suddenly the starter, which again, those are possible to find. If, you know, Claiborne is coming into his own as a 1B or whatever with Jordan Mason, like there's going to be a lot there that I think pays off for them. But none of it feels like, wow, you change the way you did stuff. And this was under Quasi too. There was almost nothing that ever felt like Quasi completely changed the game as

a general manager. Is that something that, you know, they're looking for? Or is it stay the course and hope that it works out at the quarterback position? You know, maybe that's a part of this too. I don't know. But I, what I'm saying is I understand the feeling that Vikings fans have when they look at a draft like this and go, you know what? It looks like a lot of solid ball players.

And nothing that really moves the needle unless the top guy works out and the chances that top guy works out are as risky as any. in the first round. So hopefully I'm, I'm capturing this correctly, for how some of you feel. Because I'm trying to kind of talk through the, the negative responses from Vikings fans and kind of how we get there. Because I think in a bubble, what they did was a lot of good football players. I think Caleb Tiernan is a good prospect in the third round. I think he's a bit. I think Jacoby Thomas is going to surprise people. Like, he looks to me like they, they, they, they, looked at Josh Mattelis and went, hmm, how can we find another Josh Mattelis?

And they went and tried to find one. Jack, like how they got two big DTs. No arguing with that. No arguing with that positional value or the big guys. Definitely not. Blind shadow vortex, depth at wide receiver and edge is scary. And scary bad. Not scary.

Yeah, not scary. Good. Right. Yeah. Totally agree. And that's why when we go through some of the past rosters, and we've been all at this for quite some time, that's what you run into a little bit is a roster that has enough in its starting lineup to compete and does it have enough in its depth? And how much did this change its depth? At DT, it makes it a lot better at safety for sure, maybe a tiny bit at corner, but that's a late round draft pick and a little bit better at running back.

but you don't feel a ton better at some of the positions that are really important about the depth. Mark, they drafted a broken down defensive tackle, the white version of Ivan Pace. Okay, Jake Golday, I promise you when you see, okay, you're being funny, I think, but I promise you when you see, if you're referring to, I think you're referring to Jake Goulday, he's not the white version of Ivan Pace. That's definitely not it. And a DT, they'll eat himself out of the league. Okay, that's funny.

That's funny. That's funny. I don't think that Dominique Orange, I also think when you see him, you're going to realize that there's a lot of muscle there for a guy who's built like that. I don't think it's an eat himself out of the league situation. But saying Jake Gold Day is the white version of Ivan Pace is like a little bit off because Ivan Pace is five foot nine or something and Jake Goulday is like six four. quite a bit different. Evans is I think one of the reasons people aren't high on the bank's injury is because we went through this with JJ and it went terribly wrong and he missed an entire year.

Well, yeah, I mean, JJ, I don't think he had any injuries that we knew of coming out of college, but I know what you're referring to. You're referring to delaying progression. And with McCarthy, I still believe that JJ McCarthy long term can become a starting NFL quarterback. I think I've seen all the tools there to become a starting NFL quarterback, but you'll never convince me that missing a year didn't matter and that the Vikings didn't make it egregious error by not factoring how much missing an entire year of progress would matter to a young quarterback. It mattered a ton. So if Banks, if he's on par for his recovery, he's still set back.

So that's what you're talking about. He still set back. Now, if the only setback is just, not getting OTAs and minicamp, that's not that bad. Those are mostly the learning phase, the mental side. It's not that bad. If there's anything, but it's still reps, you know, it's still physically getting out on a field. And it's also being in physical shape to play football where you can't work out the same way.

So it is a setback, but it's not as massive as the McCarthy thing. But I understand what you're saying. Gregory, the fullback might have the biggest impact of anybody in the class. I think Max Bredison is going to be on the field and I think he's going to be good. The way that Miami used their fullback was was very, very effective, Alec Ingold. And I think we're going to see a lot of the same thing here. I mean, I really, I don't like it just for like the show loves fullbacks. And there's a reason for it, though.

I don't just love fullbacks because I grew up in the 90s and a lot of those guys were stars. I really think it's like it's not a bit. I really think that fullbacks are super valuable. if you've got a good one. So I think that Bretteson will matter. Chris says we gave away two picks not waiting a few minutes to turn in the pick at 18. Poor board management.

I'm not, do you mean like potentially trading down? It's hard to say about what could be a trade down or whatnot. Like what phone calls they had, what offers. I think it's more about even if we just assume that we don't know what the offers were. Yeah, they could have traded down and gotten a good prospect, though, the way that the board fell for them, it's probably that when you look at the board and you go, all right,

you know, the next five, six, seven picks, who would have fit for the Vikings and maybe had a higher hit rate, but maybe a lower ceiling. But, you know,

the funny thing about sealing is, is that it sometimes can be totally dependent on the situation someone runs into. Go look at, you know, Jackson Smith Najigba scouting reports. They're all going to say, well,

you know, it doesn't have the high, highest ceiling, can't be a superstar, but could be a quality slot wide receiver. He's the best receiver in the league last year. Like, it's not a guarantee at draft time that that's going to happen. That's kind of a Mackay Lemon point. I think McCoy Lemon could be pretty darn good. Maybe there's something they didn't like there.

Maybe it was the positional value. But when you talk about the board, you know, Kevin O'Connell did say yesterday that there were some offensive players they had targeted that they couldn't get to. And that kind of, okay. well, what are we talking about there? Like, what did you end up having to pass up on? So there's kind of, there's just a lot there. Chris says board management.

We play checkers when you need to play chess. Or maybe you just, so if I could be specific because I like chess. I think that the Vikings, so the way that I'll just lay this out for people who don't know chess. There's a system called the ELO system in chess. So if you've never played before, you're a one. 100 and you barely know how the pieces work and you have no idea what you're doing. The best players in the world are 2,800, right? So that's Magnus Carlson's the best player in the world.

That's where he's at, right? So that's your range. It's like 100 to 2,800. And the grandmasters are 2,500 and up. And the super GMs are like 2,700 and up. So just stay with me because there's a point here. In the NFL, there are some teams that are playing 1,000 Elo, chess that just seemed like they kind of have a little idea of how to win, but not really.

That's like the Arizona Cardinals. They're just sort of bumbling around being a franchise, don't really know what they're doing. Cleveland Browns, like they're just moving pieces. They don't know. They don't have a plan. They don't know what they're doing. That's not the Vikings. The Rams, although the Thai Simpson thing was a little weird, but the Rams, their team

build, the Seahawks, their team build. That's $2,700 stuff right there. I mean, they made so many great moves over the last. few years that got them to the positions they were in. San Francisco is kind of like a team that does that's, that's, that's 2,700, but does crazy stuff, but they have the best coach and they're a great organization. But, you know, I think the Rams and Seahawks have really stood ahead. Philadelphia.

Also, these are your, your grandmaster teams that just totally see it all and they do the right things consistently. They make the right moves. And it's irritating because of how many good moves that they make. And that's been Philadelphia for years, but, you know, the Rams as well in Seattle recently. It's just, it's agitating to watch from any other team position. Like, why did they do the thing that everybody who has studied this stuff says is the smartest thing over and over again? And I think the Vikings are, they're just, they're just a little below that.

Like, they're, they're not a team that is just bumbling around and just move in pieces. And they have good coaching and they have a good culture and they have a great building and all this stuff. but it's more like being 2,500. It's like, you're in the club. You are in the club. You are playing the tournaments with the best teams, but you're not winning them. So what's the difference between that?

Now, maybe it's Matthew Stafford is certainly part of it, but I mean, I don't know, Seattle won the Super Bowl with Sam Darnold, and you thought you couldn't. Like, if 2,500s play 2,700s in a tournament, they don't win. And that's what's happened to the Vikings. And so if you're looking at this draft and saying, like a chess checkers, you know, I can't, make those two comparisons. I've never played checkers. But like, I can say that there are teams that

seem to really have this down and consistently hit and consistently keep their rosters at the best, at the best of the best Super Bowl contention. That's drafting Jalen Hertz while you still had Carson Wentz and spending a first to get A.J. Brown. And then bailing on A.J. Brown to the Patriots when he's sort of worn out his welcome to draft McKay Lemon. It's like, it all makes sense. And with the Vikings, it mostly makes sense. But it doesn't ever quite get there. If that was a long way to get around it. If you know chess, I think that that worked.

And if you don't, I hope it did. Luke says, I just don't see how we didn't get a high second rounder for Jonathan Grenard. That was abysmal because Grinard didn't produce sacks, wanted more money and had an injury. If you're on the other side of a negotiation, you're not going to go, well, he did have a good pass rush win rate. You're going to say, I'm not paying. I'm not paying top dollar for a guy I didn't sack quarterback last year. I'll pay a lot, but I'm not paying top dollar.

And I don't think any team was willing to give up a current second in a draft where everybody said, oh, drafts so bad, it's awful. I could barely even stomach looking at these football players. But all these teams, they took players with their second round picks and they didn't trade them for Jonathan Grenard. So they must have felt like that they could get cost controlled starting players rather than giving up something for Grenard. And the Vikings had backed themselves into a corner to the point where, and this is playing

2,500 chess and not 2,700, is they have backed themselves into a corner with their salary caps situation to where they had to move Jonathan Grenard and 31 other teams knew it. You don't have any leverage at that point. The leverage in a trade is always, we could just keep them. That's the leverage. Like when the Raiders trade got rescinded, they were like, okay, we'll just. Just keep Max Crosby. We don't care.

You don't have that leverage if you have to move Gernard because you can't afford him. And that's where you're just not playing the best version of this recently. Now, they are going to hire a new GM. So the Rams are not carried by Matthew Stafford. Stafford is, yeah, Stafford is amazing. He is amazing. He's a great quarterback.

He may have worked his way into the Hall of Fame. By the way, he's played recently. But to say they're carried by him, yeah, right. they've built they built a second super bowl caliber roster after winning the super bowl already around stafford and what did they do they you know they got great hits at wide receiver on you know cooper cup and then puka nukua so not necessarily first round receivers they picked up guys at the right time they went all in at the right time they developed players the right way they have the best coach in the league yeah okay they get the most out of their quarterback but how did

Detroit do with that? I mean, the Vikings get a lot out of what they have. They do. And they win a lot and they're always in it. But you do look at some of the other teams and you go, I think they're playing better chess. And I, and I think that there was a feeling in this draft that people will have that other teams played better chess in this draft. Not with their Grenard trade. I think they were, but, but you're not playing better chess if you were in a position to have to do their Granard trade because you mismanaged your salary cap by giving Javon Hargrave and Jonathan Allen stupid crazy money. And Aaron Jones and Byron Murphy and all the other money that they spent, you know, last

year they put themselves in this position where the only way to keep Jonathan Grenard would have been to completely demolish your salary cap for the future by restructuring and doing more extensions, which they didn't want to do. So it's not, I'm not like blaming Rob Brzezinski. I mean, Rob Brzezinski ran this. draft and they picked good players. And for 2027, I think they got a lot of stuff that they can work with. And for this year, they got a little stuff.

Demand Claiborne, I'm very interested to see football, play football, super fast, lightning. I think his, I think his NFL team is going to be easier for him to play with than his college team. Like, they got, they got good stuff in this draft. They got good players. But did they, did they get, maybe I, maybe it is me being too, like, into the wide receiver thing. But there are a lot of third round wide receivers who have turned out to be really good.

And when you're drafting, you know, you back up offensive tackle, your third round safety. And it's not a position that could really help you right away long term. Third rounders who have great production have turned into stars and you're just, well, hey. And look at all the talent at the beginning of the fourth round or even a Germad McCoy move. Like I know the Raiders did that, but they're getting serious now as a franchise. they have a serious GM, a serious coach, serious quarterback. But, I mean, wouldn't that be the type of swing that you take that you think, well, there's a, there's a high end potential outcome for almost no cost, right?

They went with a high end potential outcome in Caleb Banks for the highest cost. And that's the way I would always describe what the Vikings have done in recent years is just highest cost, highest cost, highest cost. They're the highest spending team in the league and they got nine wins out of it. Like, that's, that's kind of how it feels. It's like when, when is it that they're, Kyler Murray is the, the only example. Like, when is it that they're getting a steal?

Kyler Murray is kind of it. But anyway, Don says, I do think that coming away with a third in 2027 from the Eagles is a great get. Obviously, next year's draft is expected to be better. Could the Eagles have a down year? The Eagles could have a down year. I think the Vikings gave him a hand.

One of the reasons I would have said they could have a, down year is because they have no edge rushers. They do now. But the Eagles are definitely a team that is in a position to have possibly a down year. Where, because it feels like there's a lot of drama there with them and losing A.J. Brown, like, that's going to matter for sure. Football Matt, if we drafted Jim Klein Saucer 2.0, it's a huge win. Totally agree there.

Totally agree there. Dumer, I have my special chair ready. for when the Eagles win the Super Bowl. I sat in it to watch the Seahawks win. Is that like your angry chair? Who was the band that did Angry Chair? Blind Shadow says, I think Bredesen will be more of a client saucer than a ham. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, maybe. CJ Hammel line up sometimes in other positions. So I think Brettison does have a little more flexibility, though. I agree with that. Ryder, are you going to cover the 19 UDFAs that they just sign? Let me see. Let me, uh, did we get the, do we get the email of all the free agents? Let's see.

All right. Well, we can do that. We can take a look. I usually wait for the email before I take a look at them. And we'll see if, uh, do you want me to just read them or see if there's anybody that I, uh, that catches my eye? I mean, for these guys, I would not have done like the study yet, but here's the list. Uh, well, they got Marcus Allen, a high.

Heisman trophy winner. Marcus Allen corner from North Carolina. Devon Armstead, a corner from North Texas. Dylan Bell, wide receiver, Georgia. Jordan Battello, outside linebacker from Notre Dame. Tyreek Chapel, another corner. So a lot of defensive backs here on the list from Texas A&M. Monkelle Goodwine, a defensive lineman from South Carolina.

I'll go through this more in depth on the show probably tomorrow. Shalick Knott's wide receiver from Maryland. A couple wide receivers here. Kelly Lawson, linebacker from Central Florida. Tristan Lee, offensive lineman from Clemson. Delby Lemieux, maybe a hockey player there from Dartmouth. Cajon Owens running back from Florida International. Thomas Rimick, offensive lineman from Virginia Tech.

Marcus Sanders, wide receiver from Georgia Southern. Cameron Stewart from Temple outside linebacker. Thomas, a safety from George Madison, Brett Thorsten, the punter you guys mentioned for the punt-off from Georgia, Arden Walker, outside linebacker, Colorado, Scooby Williams, linebacker from Texas A&M, and Luke Wysong from Arizona. I'm going to have to do the research there to find out more about those fellows, but that is, at very least, you have the list of undrafted free agents. And if you guys know those guys, then, wow, you've been putting in the work. You know that you've been putting in a lot of the work. NorCal Viking knew that wide receiver wasn't worth picking in this draft. Dude, there was like a million wide receivers taken in this draft.

So I don't, I guess we'll see. But there were a lot of, I thought, very good wide receiver draft prospects. And most people said that this was a very deep wide receiver draft. So I don't know. It seems more like they just missed out on them, the ones that they wanted. Jay, Matthew, what do you think of Rob Brzezinski moving forward in the new GM hunt? I think that Rob would do a very good job of leading a front office, leading a franchise, and be on the same page with Kevin O'Connell.

All those things I could really see from him, I think that the salary cap management would be better with him in charge. And maybe there wouldn't be this all-in type stuff. overall, when it comes to the draft, if you got to put it on one person, I think that 2027 is really the theme of this offseason, is that there was nothing done here to send them off the rails for the future because they want to win in 2026. So that's pretty clear. And Prisinski didn't do anything in this draft that was all for this year. It was a lot that was really for the future and some guys that can help right away for this year. Rob has great respect around the NFL, great respect in the building, great respect of the Wilf's.

The only thing I would say on the other side of that, so if he ends up being the general manager, you're in a position with someone who's going to manage the cap really well and manage the front office and is really well, well, well respected. And that matters a lot. But I don't think that you'd be talking about someone who's completely shifting the what would you call this? Like the meta or the, I don't even know. Like what people call this?

Like the paradigm, is that what people use? Is that like the, you can sound really smart in business meetings if you say paradigm, but let's use it anyway. You're probably not shifting the paradigm. Like you're not bringing in someone who would say, we've done this for a long time. We haven't won a lot of playoff games. So we're clearing out everybody.

there's a lot of talented people here who have been good at their jobs for a long time, but it's time for change. Like, that's not keeping Rob Brzynski. If you keep Rob Brzynski, it is status quo and O'Connell and Flores will have a lot of say, and we'll see where that all goes. And they're either going to have Kyler Murray or they're going to draft a new quarterback. And then one thing we know for sure is that you can be a very competitive team with all of this. They've been, they won 14 games just two years ago.

They had 13 wins before. They were a winning team last year overall, over 500. A team made the playoffs with a worse record than the Minnesota Vikings, right, which is kind of, you know, ironic that it would be that way. But it's not shifting the paradigm. That's what I would go with as we go into GM search mode. So if they do want to shift the paradigm, if they do want to bring in a totally new way of thinking,

a totally new front office. But what I would say is if they hire a new general manager, let that GM pick who he wants in his front office. Don't say you can hire two guys that you want to bring in and everybody else has to stay and you lead the guys that are here or the people who are here. Bring somebody in who's going to say, this is how it's done now.

I'm running the show. This is the new, whatever it might be. If you're going to do it, do it. If you believe in this, believe in this. Don't go half measure because that's what it feels like Quasi Adolfo Menta got stuck with. And just the way that they built the team and drafted, I don't know if Quacey ever got to do and it's not to excuse bad moves, bad picks. I don't know if he ever got to do it his way. It always felt like he was trying to please the people that the Wils wanted to keep in place and not necessarily hacking drafts or hacking free agency or doing stuff that are outside the norm or playing 2,700 chess.

It always felt like he was trying to do a little bit of that when he could and mostly just make everybody, you know, feel like they got their way. Again, not to excuse because it's your job to get that stuff done. But either go with this because you really believe in this direction or go with something completely new and make it different. Either Allison Chains, I knew it. Angry Chair. either go all the way or or don't. But half measure, I just, I don't know. Asking a new GM, why don't you come in here and work with all the people that we've had in place forever?

I just don't know. NorCal says negative BS from everyone here, a bunch of idiots who think they should be running the draft. So here's the thing. I've seen this quite a bit from people and just in general, like yelling at beat reporters or other fans or whatever. here's here's the trouble um i haven't seen you too much in this house nor cal viking what i've built here is a community of fans who know the udFA's better than i do that study the draft boards that look into the data that read orif hasan's consensus board that look at every mock draft and study the players and watch, you know, all the NFL network analysis from Daniel Jeremiah at the NFL

Combine. Like, this is a community here, I think, and a lot of football fans have gotten to this point. It's no longer sort of slack jawed mouth breathers who read in the paper who they drafted the next day. This is a lot of people who have a deep passion for football that want to talk about this on a much deeper level than just, hey, man, like skull. And look, there's shows out there. that you can do that for that just, you know, go team. And I have no issue with those people. But that's not here. That's not here.

So I feel like that sort of sentiment that you're saying anybody who has any dissenting thought about how they went about the draft from all these people who have put in a lot of research and a lot of listening to this show and the experts that I brought on and everything else that those people, well, you couldn't do the job. I mean, or you think you know better or whatever. I mean, that just seems unfair to how passionate football fans are and how knowledgeable football fans are. And that's the part that I've enjoyed the most here about this draft process is that, you know, I think that all of you have just shown such great knowledge of this that it creates a lot of really interesting conversations that go far beyond.

I don't like the third round nose tackle or whatever. I don't think anyone's actually saying that. I haven't read any comment that's just like, duh, fire quacy again or whatever. I haven't seen that. I've seen a lot of very thoughtful people with their critiques of this. And also a lot of thoughtful people on the other side of it who are saying, well, look, you rebuild defensive tackle. That's pretty darn important in the NFL.

They got some guys who could play immediate roles like a fullback and like a depth running back, like a nose tackle. And they took a big swing that none of us know what's going to happen at the top of this draft. So I have really appreciated what we have here in terms of. of the conversation. I haven't seen a lot of people saying I could be the GM. I haven't seen that. I've seen thoughtful critiques of what happened that are nuanced and that are not just

planting my flag, fire everybody kind of thing. So I think you're, I think you're missing the boat there. Let me just throw it out there again for the Fandul question of the day, which is the Rookie of the Year award. Who do you think? The draft is over. Who do you think?

Let me scroll down to those odds. Jeremiah Love at plus 290 is the favorite Fernando Mendoza plus 320 don't know how much Fernando's going to play first year we'll see carnell tate at plus 650 is third Jordan Tyson plus 850 fourth becki lemon if that happens uh plus 850 and then on the defensive side david bailey is the favorite at plus 470 rubin bain plus 500 arvel rice plus 700 and maybe the best bet on the board would be Caleb downs at plus 850 could potentially have a chance there So, this has been really interesting and a very, very fun three days. So I want to say a deepest thank you to all of you guys who have tuned in.

The show's got really huge numbers over the last couple of days, which I just, like, thought was awesome. How many of you are super passionate about the draft? And my final thoughts are always this when it comes to the draft is we've had, we're going to continue to break down every detail over the next few days. and then maybe a week from now, there will be a rookie mini camp that, of course, I'll cover OTAs, mini camp.

I'll be out there for every single one of them, asking my silly questions and everything else and learn about these guys. So we can take time to let it marinate, study what other teams did. I'll probably do like a winners and losers or something or maybe now I'm a power ranker.

After I did NFC power rankings and you guys liked it, maybe now I got a power rank teams in the draft. So we'll spend time this and then what I would suggest is then we move forward and these guys are Minnesota Vikings and we'll see because we can have a lot of opinions, a lot of analysis and breakdown, but we don't know where it's going to go when these are rookies. They've never played before.

And we've seen guys who were drafted in the first round not turn out. And we've seen guys drafted in the fifth round that have become some of the best players in the NFL. So it's only the start of the conversation about Caleb Banks and Dominique Orange and Jake old day and all the other players that they got and all the UDFAs that we just ran down the list and I will do deeper dives on for a later video. So, but truly for the bottom of my heart, cannot thank you all enough for all of your viewership, comments, thoughtful analysis and, you know, responses to my opinions and things

like that throughout this entire draft season. So lots to come, Chris Rapaso will have a full breakdown of every player. That's going to come up this week, trying to get a couple of the reporters to pop on and talk about their opinions and analysts and everything else. So I can't wait to do that. And we'll talk to you very soon, very soon. Probably, probably tomorrow there will be like a UDFA breakdown and some questions that people have emailed me and stuff like that. And we'll go from there.

So hope you had a lot of fun. I mean, the NFL draft, man, we build up, it build up, it build up. And it was as compelling of a weekend as you ever get. I thought maybe not necessarily for the Vikings, but just overall, it'll shape the next how many of our years for the NFL. And that's why it makes it so fascinating. So I hope you had as much fun as I did. And we will talk to you all soon. Football.