Purple Insider - a Minnesota Vikings and NFL podcast - Nolan Teasley's hire official and the Vikings now have cap space (Part 2)

Episode Date: June 2, 2026

Matthew Coller talks with Minnesota Vikings fans about an interesting note from the announcement of Nolan Teasley officially becoming the Vikings general manager. Rob Brzezinski's role seems to be increased even if he has the same title. Plus, it's June 1 so the Vikings have cap space. What are they going to do with it? The Purple Insider podcast is brought to you by FanDuel. Also, check out our sponsor HIMS at https://hims.com/purpleinsider Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

This episode of Purple Insider is presented by Fandul. Mag Yars says trade for Josh Sweat. I would be curious to know what Arizona is asking for. Josh Sweat. He is a successful pass rusher with the Philadelphia Eagles. He goes to Arizona and is forgotten about like any other person who goes to Arizona. But is that the type of player that you'd like to trade for? Yeah, I think that it is now how much that's the problem because what I don't want to see and this is where I'm bouncing back forth.

You know, I know Joker has been banging this drum of like, why not get Dexter Lawrence? Why not trade for this guy or that guy and really go all in with this year? Because if you look a year down the road, there's many questions about this roster. And I totally get that. But I also think it's what they've been doing forever. It is sort of, uh-oh, our roster's a little on the older side. now we have to absolutely make this big move. We got to make this big trade to win right now.

And then if you come up short in the playoffs, you look around and go, well, now what? And you don't want to be in that position. Now, if Josh Sweat is available for a third round draft pick and they have an extra third rounder next year, then maybe you would say, all right, let's do it. But you also have to be mindful of the salary cap situation as well. The best way to build this team, I think hands down,

is if Kyler Murray is really good and he can set a floor for your offense and then you just draft, draft, draft, draft on the defensive side. And what you hope for is a Seattle Seahawks or a Los Angeles Rams situation where you look around and you go, yeah, they drafted almost everybody. And then when you get there and you get those players on the rise and they're developing and so forth, then you say, all right, now it's time to make that big trade. but if it's a fairly cheap deal, then, you know, there's no issue with that. Joker can't think of any reason not to grab the extra $35 million and go full Rams.

Yeah, I know that you've been in on that. But the thing is, I mean, one, it's got to be out there for you. Like, who are you going to, Josh Sweat, to me, is not worth spending a ton on. I think that's a player, a type of player that you can get in free agency or the draft. I mean, he's good, but we're not talking. about a Miles Garrett or a Jared verse here where it's a top-notch player. And the reason is that if you move $35 million to make cap space now, the trouble is that it will cost you later on.

You have to pay it back. It's just moving money. It doesn't make it go vanish and disappear. But you can if you need to. If all of a sudden Miles Garrett was coming here, they could go, all right, we're restructuring this, this, this, and this, and off we go. But that's not where they're at right now. and there has to be someone that you could actually make a trade for that would be worth that much

because there's no one in free agency. So who would it be that you could actually make a trade for that is disgruntled or with another team? And you could have for multiple years because I think that's really important too. If you're making a full all-in type of trade, well, if you're the Vikings, you kind of need that over multiple years. I see them as being a highly competitive team that if they turn out to be great, then you make that type of move. And Son of Beavers says, you know, check in on Max Crosby. I mean, I think that's reasonable to check in on Max Crosby and see where they're at.

But, you know, they got two firsts for him the first time. And he's got a knee issue. Like, these are the moves that they scream to me. You make this big exciting move. And then we go, yeah, that was great. But did it really get you as far as you were thinking? Right. So purple Kool-Aid for the Rams makes sense.

You have a Hall of Fame quarterback on his way out, right? Right. Joker, after thinking about McCarthy's comments, I don't think he gets it. I think I was right last year and called him a performative male quarterback. Joker, you live up to your name, my friend. Every night you make me laugh with something that you say in the comment section. I don't like to try to get inside guys' heads like that of is this. formative, is this genuine, is this and this?

Because I don't know what J.J. McCarthy was thinking. If I had to guess, I think he was thinking I'm very annoyed with all these media people who are asking me about a quarterback competition after one year ago, you know, he was the darling, probably annoyed that. And I, you know, I heard something from Sam Darnold the other day that was quite interesting where he was referencing how hard it is to face the criticism. And he sort of said, you know, if you're a young quarterback and you see a comment on, you know, a YouTube clip or whatever else, like it can get inside your head or whatever.

And I thought, is he talking about somebody else that maybe some of this stuff has gotten inside his head? I don't know. It also came across as being ticked off at the team. You know, when you say the organization, when you never mentioned Kevin O'Connell, when you you know, talk about, hey, it's the coaches job. Not Josh McCown, Westfield, it's just the coaches. Like when you're saying it, you know, it's very coldly.

I mean, it sort of makes you seem like you're separating yourself from the team right there. That was the interpretation. But what he was actually going for, I don't know, because he may have just been going for, I'm going to present to the world that I want this competition and I got a chip on my shoulder and it may have come across differently, but definitely did not hit the mark. with those comments and you saw a lot of people discussing that across the NFL and a couple of days after. Evan says so Miles Garrett probably would have cost us Dallas and two firsts at least and I think

that's exactly what you said. We talked about it a while ago. Did we talk about it? Did someone ask me? I mean, there's a lot of questions. I don't remember all of them. Did someone ask what it would take? I probably did say that.

You know what? That sounds familiar of like Dallas Turner and two first round draft picks. I would not do that. even though Miles Garrett is a gazillion percent worth it, you don't get 22-year-old Miles Garrett. So I'd much prefer have three players as opposed to just hoping that one of them, who is an all-time great legend? I mean, absolute, like, peak top-level all-time great player. But you are still putting all your eggs in one guy's basket. And I think that even some of that for Dexter Lawrence in the trade that they got, I mean, you

have had Caleb Downs and then all that cap space. And I'd probably, and I am the biggest Dexter Lawrence is a freak enjoyer. Love watching the guy play football. I think he's incredibly dominant, interior defensive line, guys who create pressure. It's such a problem and everything else. But I don't know that Dexter Lawrence is worth, you know, what we're talking, what we're talking about like for Caleb Downs, where they could have had him. whatever amount of cap space, that's always the question, right?

Would I'd probably rather have two more years of cheap Dallas Turner and two first round draft picks than I would have a late stage Miles Garrett? But that's really dicey. That's really tricky. Now, if you told me that Kyler Murray was going to be a top five quarterback, my mind has changed because Matthew Stafford last year is the top five quarterback. He's the top one quarterback in the NFL. So they know that that's possible.

That's why these decisions and these all in moves for the Vikings. are down the road for them. Because if Murray turns out, top five is maybe rich, but if he turns out to be a top 10 quarterback, then you are in a position where, yes, if you sense the moment, you feel like, hey, this is our time, then yes, all right, you go for it, but you got to have really the roster to go for it

to where even if it doesn't work, you're still going to be in good shape. And with this, I mean, it's almost impossible that it would not work. But if Miles Garrett got hurt, they still have another year, at least of Stafford, he got an extension. They still have another year of Miles Garrett.

So it doesn't immediately blow up in your face. And they also have a foundation of a lot of really good players and cap space to come, I guess, down the road if they don't extend certain people. But, you know, I think that with the Vikings, if you can make an all in move that's not going to be a train wreck toward your future and you can justify it with your quarterback is X good, not just one good year. but your quarterback is X good and your rest of your roster is on the younger side. That's when you really want to do stuff like this.

That's why Seattle did a great job with Leonard Williams. And like Leonard Williams is a monster. He's not quite Miles Garrett, but he is an absolute monster. And they make the trade for him in Seattle when they had a lot of draft picks that are coming in and performing well and they had future draft capital and everything else. And they could make a move like that. That's kind of a luxury move. and a couple years into, and a multi-year type move,

and a couple years into it, they win the Super Bowl. Purple Kool-Aid kind of shocked. The NFL didn't go Chris Paul to the Lakers and veto it for competition purposes. Yeah, I mean, look, the best team doesn't always win in the NFL, so, you know, we'll see there. The Lang says McVeigh is going to retire, so he's disposing of their future. I could really see it.

I truly could. that if you're Sean McVeigh, especially if you're not really sold on Ty Simpson or there's not an obvious other answer, that you could say, look, I won a Super Bowl, we went for it, maybe they win one this year. But even if they don't, at the end of Matthew Stafford, just saying,

all right, it's probably not going to get much better than that. But not all NFL people think that way. They don't always just say, well, all right, I've had enough. I'm going to retire. And in the NBA, you know, okay, I coach LeBron. we won, I'm going to retire. That doesn't happen. Like Spolstra didn't retire after LeBron.

So McVeigh might just keep coaching and coaching and coaching forever and say, look, if I could do it with golf, get to a Super Bowl. If I could win one with Stafford, I can do it again. And maybe they'll do that. I don't know. Orion's Broncos, Vikings, 27 Super Bowl. 2027 will be very fascinating. I've been thinking about a lot because, well, Nolan Teasley is really starting with

2027 in his mind. I mean, yes, right away, extensions, what to do with the cap space, free agency. Like, you got to get into the job and really assess this thing pretty quickly and listen to your coaches, listen to Rob Brzynski, and maybe make some moves for this thing on the immediate. But there's not, like, earth shifting moves that you're making right away. You're really starting your focus on who do I want to be here long term. And then you're evaluating slowly, which I think is a, it is a legitimate advantage for him. to be able to get his first true off season many months from now,

where he can do his own assessments and evaluations on everybody. And then even like the entire front office, I know that the chat always wants everyone fired. So they want all the scouts and everything else fired. But this gives Nolan Tisley a long period of time to evaluate how everyone works together. And then next year can make decisions on do you want to change out what everything. I mean, anything that you're talking about, whether it's players, front office, whatever.

So I think it helps for him to be able to see it all and then decide, are you close in 2027 or should you do some sort of a tear down? Who should you keep around? Who should you restructure? And I think that's easier to be able to do with a year in your pocket as opposed to coming in and having a couple weeks. I mean, if you're hired as a general manager normally, you're like, all right, I'm here.

And now down to the senior bowl, you go. and you're into the draft season and you're into free agency and you're meeting with agents and everything within just a few weeks. This gives him a lot more time. Purple Kool-Aid love JJ, but you could get a young talent and that pick hole for him. You better run to the league office phone. Yeah, I mean with McCarthy, oh, you mean Jefferson.

Are you talking about Jefferson or are you talking about McCarthy? Because there's been a lot of talk about would they trade McCarthy. But if you're talking about Justin Jefferson, at this moment, I would not trade Justin Jefferson for another decent wide receiver in a couple of draft picks. I think that everyone needs to be reminded of how good Justin Jefferson really is. We are not that far separated from it, but our brains don't work that way. It works the what's the last thing we saw? Well, it was only okay.

Trade him. I think after this year, you might feel a lot differently. That's somebody that you want to be your Larry Fitzgerald. You want to go to the Hall of Fame with your team. you want him to go through thick and thin. Like Larry Fitzgerald was through some of the worst seasons in Arizona, and then he was in the Super Bowl. And if you're the Vikings, you want the same thing with Justin Jefferson.

Miles Garrett gets traded because Miles Garrett, his team is garbage. And they've been garbage forever, but they're still garbage. This is not a team that is at all in any way, shape, or form a serious contender. So flip him for the best you can because you're not really that close. you're still two years away from being even decent if you're the Cleveland Browns. That's when you do it. I don't see the Vikings being in that spot. Now, when it comes to the AJ Brown trade,

if Jefferson became very disgruntled with the team and things looked pretty bleak and Kyler goes, I don't know, four and eight before being benched for McCarthy, who doesn't do much the rest of the way and it's all a disaster and Jefferson's demanding out and won't sign an extension, then yeah, yeah, like you might be looking at that having that conversation and potentially you might have to do it if you feel like you got a trade for so much draft capital on the table and that's the only way you're going to get back to the top. But I still don't see it. I think that it would have to be going so wrong for Justin Jefferson to be traded. And I don't think the Wilf's would want him to go. I think they

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Joker, amazing move for the Rams. Feel a lot better for the Browns if they weren't the Browns. Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, reputation matters. Purple Kool-Aid top paid receivers don't usually lead to championships? I don't think that that's true. You know, anytime someone tells me that Thing X doesn't win a championship, I'm like, it's really not that hard for me to find examples, right?

Like, what was Cooper Cup's contract situation when they won the Super Bowl? I mean, AJ Brown, when they won the Super Bowl, was making a ton of money, wasn't he? Right? That was why he got traded to Philadelphia, to make. right a ton of money so I'm not I'm not into well you can't do this with that you can't you can't pay a quarterback or you never win and then like a teams did it you know Stafford did it and darnall did it and Hertz did it okay and Mahomes but even you can't you can't sign a middling quarterback and well I mean Darnold is still I in my opinion a top 10 QB

because of the last two seasons but not he's not the homes and he's not Josh Allen, but he was paid and he won. I don't think any absolutes. I would just never buy into any absolutes. I was talking to my wife about this the other day about how when I was growing up, there was this, well, you can't win with a scrambling quarterback. You can't win with somebody who scrambles all over the place. You can't win a Super Bowl. Even though Steve Young had, but I think that was more directed at a certain type of person who scrambled around. And Steve McNair was like this close to doing it. And then Patrick Mahom. comes around.

Everyone's like, you know, what we need is these scrambling quarterbacks. It's like nothing. The whole conversation, it came up because we were talking about the NBA. And there's this whole thing of, well, you can't win if you have a small guy as your best player and Jalen Brunson. Well, he's in the finals. So sometimes you can. It depends on a lot of different stuff.

Can't win a Super Bowl, the running quarterback. And then Jalen Hertz wins a Super Bowl. I want to the next thing, can't pay a receiver. But there's plenty of examples of that where expensive wide receivers have made and won the Super Bowl. And if not for that one throw by Eli Manning to was it Mario Manningham, Randy Moss would have caught the game winning touchdown in the Super Bowl for the Patriots. So I don't know. That was because I used to hear that a lot. It was like, you know, the Patriots win Super Bowls, but nobody is receivers.

So you can't have Terrell Owens or Randy Moss. I was like, I don't think it works that way. Krupluppy, the only loser of the trade is verse. He's got to look at the organization and think Miles F and Garrett couldn't help this trash keep win. Poor guy. Every team, no matter how bad, is always a quarterback away. But in their case, I do agree with you that that is going to be a long year for Jared verse. No question about it.

Evans is a Viking signed verse in three years because no way he signs back with the Browns. You can never look three years ahead. Look how bad Chicago looked three. years ago. There are teams all the time that are changing from horrific to really good. Detroit is a good example of that. Detroit was the armpit of the NFL for a very, very long time. And now they're just consistent winning team under Dan Campbell.

Things change a lot. Also, players usually take the money with their hometown team rather than hitting free agency because they don't want to get franchise tagged. And it's the best financial option for them. sometimes if they're planning on being there a long time, they settle down with their families and they want to keep playing for the team. So I don't know, you can't look that far ahead.

But if they end up losing Jaredverse to free agency eventually, then that won't look so great. Son of Beavers Jefferson is happy here and Garrett wanted to be somewhere not named Cleveland, the very different organizations. But there is a standard for Justin Jefferson that one of the reasons you get Kyler Murray is to uphold that standard of performance that he's had over his career.

I think he's frustrated by a lot of the ups and downs and changes a quarterback and then, you know, not winning in the playoffs. He's a guy that absolutely wants to win in the postseason. So I can't entirely count it out. This is a huge year for Justin Jefferson. And the trades of guys like this, these are just the Jefferson level players. AJ Brown is a huge superstar. Miles Garrett is the biggest superstar on the defensive side, not named Micah Parsons,

but they're like 1-1-A. So, and Michael Parsons was traded last year. Like, this level of player does get traded now. I don't think that that happened that much in the last maybe 10 years before two or three years ago or the last five years. It feels like these guys, Tyreek Hill, have been moved a lot more as everyone just works on timelines all the time. And you do get bit by the salary cap.

But usually, it's usually just if a team, it's usually the structure that's causing it is Jefferson's contract is structured to be cheaper at the beginning and then get progressively more expensive. But once it gets progressively expensive to a certain point, you just do an extension. That's the plan. That's why Joe Burrow this year is huge for him. Because if Joe Burrow doesn't like Cincinnati, then he can say, I'm not doing an extension with you guys. And that's why Kyler Murray is here, my friends.

You know, you hear all sorts of things. Well, you know, Kyler Murray is here because Jacoby Brissette was better. mean, crack is fine if that's what you're doing to come up with that take, but it's probably not accurate. What really happened with Kyler Murray is they get to a point where he's not going to sign an extension there because that organization is bad and the relationships are burned to dust by the owner who decided to fire the coach that he liked after having to play a backup quarterback and a bad roster the entire year.

So then he's not going to sign an extension and the team goes, well, then our only option is to just sit here with an insane salary cap hit. So why not just let him go, right? And start anew. That's what happened with Murray. That's what happened with a lot of these guys that are getting moved. So tying that to Justin Jefferson, Jefferson's in that spot.

Yes, they can restructure. But eventually you run out of the restructures. And you get to a point where it's not even helping you that much. He's still going to be super expensive. And he's not signing an extension. It's time to move on. So that's why this. year is very, very important for the Vikings in Jefferson.

Stephen How old will verse be for his second contract? Came out as an older prospect. A little back of the napkin math came out at 24. So 25 now. And with two years left on the rookie contract, 26, 27. So yeah, his second contract will be like 28, I think. And usually these guys are good through like 32 or more. if when they're some of the best.

Jay, the Vikings are going to have the press conference with Nolan Teasley on Wednesday, 10 o'clock, and Purple Insider will be in attendance for sure. Joker wants Max Crosby for the 2027 first and second, man, I don't think so. That just doesn't make a lot of sense because with those injury issues, I can't, I just can't buy in. Jay, we have 14 free agents who will Tisley. do you think he will resign? Trying to guess right now is a little bit tricky because we need to know how they play. Who will he resign right away?

That's a conversation that they need to have pretty soon. You don't have to do a Blake Cashman extension or whatever else, which I was told the other day that Cashman was not missing OTA practice for any contract-related reasons, just so we know that last week. But when it comes to Brian O'Neill, I think that might be a priority. to start. Blake Cashman would be a priority to start. If you want to have those veteran presence guys there for a longer period of time for a couple more seasons than maybe you get into that.

I personally think that the first person that they should go to with a potential contract extension is Isaiah Rogers because they have built during Brian Flores through free agency with these cornerbacks. And I think they really hit on Isaiah Rogers. He was not a megastar, but we just don't. see that a lot anymore where you have one guy that man he's going to lock up everybody how are they even going to play against them it's really does a guy fit within a system and is he a playmaker and i think isaiah rogers was both of those things last year he's going to make i think nine

on the salary cap this year you could lower that a little bit if you needed to but if you go into free agency i mean to get a corner of this caliber you're probably talking about 15 plus million dollars or more if they're even available for the way that he played. And basically, this is a guy coming off of a gambling related suspension for a year that was a backup on a Super Bowl winning team, but played really, really well when he was in. The Vikings go out and get a steal, but it's not going to be a steal next time. So can you get him extended now would be a question.

But they don't have to do anything. I mean, they really don't. They can sit. And this is the advantage that Tisley has. He can sit and watch. He can go to every training camp. practice and see how he feels about the roster and he can start to get to know everybody and everybody's opinions and everything else on everything across the roster. But he doesn't have to figure it out

today. He can watch them play an entire season and then make decisions on those free agents. Skull shadow the Travis Hunter trade and picks show the insurmountable difference between the NFL and college when trying to play to persist. Oh yeah. I mean that I was I was interested. I was very interested because I really like watching Travis Hunter play and the first time I saw him play wide receiver. I was like, nope. No. There are guys who are spending every single second of their life trying to become great wide receivers. And the idea that you could do both, it's just for someone who's also pretty slight, but his route running doesn't look like an NFL wide receiver. He looks like he's really great at jump balls, but that's not going to do you a whole lot when he's not the

tallest guy. He should play. He's a great corner. I think he's a legitimately great corner talent. Just play him there. Maybe every once in a while, you throw him in for a trick play, but the idea he was going to, I mean, and their GM sounded like kind of a nutcase when he talked about this. Like he's going to reinvent football. I mean, I don't know. I see Shohei Otani do it. If any of you softball fans watch the softball tournament, Jordie Fromm from Nebraska was a hitter and a pitcher. And unbelievable at both. So yeah, there's that. But you know what doesn't happen in baseball is anyone murders you? That does happen in football where you get banged up and there's a physical violence to that. And just because Dion Sanders did it for one season in 1996 doesn't mean that someone else

way, way later, Ken, if you go back and watch what that looks like, it's different than football looks now. And it was more violent then, but I mean, the the speed that they play at now, it's, it's definitely different than it was back in 1996. So I think that turns out to be kind of a bad trade for Jacksonville because they gave up a lot. Axton, my opinion is that Cleveland slightly has the edge in this transaction. My reasoning is because everything hinges on Matthew Stafford staying healthy if he gets injured, their odds go out the window. I think that is a very fair analysis. This is why it's called going full Rams because the last time the Rams did this, I said, I'm betting against them.

I just don't think it's going to work. I think that they will get to the first round of the playoffs and they'll lose and everyone will say, what did we do? And they were this close to that happening several times in their run. The Tampa Bay Bucks almost came back in that game and Tom Brady almost ended the full Rams 2021 in, what was that? the divisional round of that playoffs. But, you know, it didn't happen. They got the result that they were looking for.

But it shows you the razor thin margin of a move like this. When you give up a young player who had 80 pressures last year, Jared Verse and three draft picks, if you're right, if Matthew Stafford halfway through the season tears his elbow, what then? I mean, you could probably still be competitive and maybe have a chance to win in the playoffs if Ty Simpson is good. I mean, that's a big ask. So there's way more risk involved.

The problem is it's a lot easier to win a trade when you are garbage like the Cleveland Browns than it is when you're actually the good team, right? It's way easier to be the team giving away the great player and people saying, well, they won the trade. This went back to, I remember thinking this with the Chicago Bears trading for, you know, Khalil Mack. and I thought that the Raiders did really well in that trade. But at the end of the day, you don't have Khalil Mack.

So you didn't do that great. I mean, it's nice. You get the draft capital and everything else. But it's a lot easier to be giving away the all-time great player than it is to be the team who has to make that decision to go do it. And because there's only ever one winner, then, you know, if it doesn't work out, you don't win the Super Bowl and you lose in the divisional round on a field goal or a put return or something, well, then you failed.

Whereas Cleveland is like, oh, we got draft picks and this trade will be helping us for years and everything else is way easier to be the crappy team in moves like this. Skull Shadow Tisley will trade McCarthy and Addison one year from now. Addison, I have a tough time seeing them trading unless he underperforms. But as long as he performs and the other part is a big element to the off the field for sure, is a part of it. But that's where, you know, $19 million or $18 million on the fifth year option is pretty reasonable for a wide receiver.

I mean, they could play it out like that and just see how it works out for even two more years. They could also have him not be in a good place with the team and make that trade. So I don't want to entirely count that out. But man, like COCs love for Jordan Addison. That runs deep. Melkill, who wants McCarthy, zero, that's how many. At this moment, that's probably right.

Now, if a team were to be going along in training camp, and then all of a sudden their quarterback tears their ACL, and they call up the Vikings and say, hey, how about, you know, a second round pick for J.J. McCarthy? I think that's rich, but let's just say out of desperation, And he's not happy and he hasn't played well in camp or whatever it might be, then yeah, you could see that. We're a far way away. And the Vikings also, the reality is with J.J. McCarthy is he has been in games where he's played well enough to win.

And if we go through all the games he played last year, what percentage was that? Well enough to win in Chicago-ish took a crazy comeback, but we'll give him that one. Definitely not Atlanta. And then comes back, played well enough to win against the Detroit Lions. Definitely not for the next couple of games against Baltimore and Chicago and Green Bay. And then played well enough to win at the end of the season for a couple games against Dallas. I would not say the Giants because he didn't play the whole game and wasn't that great in the first half. But Washington as well.

So what's that? I mean, that's about half of the games that he played well enough to have his team potentially win. If you're in the Vikings position, giving that away for a draft pick might be the right move. if he's just miserable and it's like uncomfortable and he you're just done. All right, okay. And he's not performing. Okay, I get it. But knowing that Kyler Murray has been banged up in his past and you have someone who is a

coin flip to be able to help you potentially win games if you play well enough on defense, run the ball well enough, catch the football, you usually would want to keep that rather than giving that away unless someone really makes it worth your while. Joker said the trade was as good as you can hope for for the Browns, but I don't trust them for some reason, for obvious reasons. Stephen, the great team seemed to trade for great players a year early rather than a year late. I mean, the Vikings seem to trade away players. Well, you know, the Vikings, in terms of trades, I mean, yes, if you're referring to the Chris Hernden trade, that was a year late. No question about it.

trades are all about, well, opportunity number one, and then knowing when it's the right time to do that. And then someone has to be available. I mean, this is the confluence of events here. I mean, the Rams having Miles Garrett come available is already like preposterous enough. I think in the future, though, that this is going to happen more often. I mean, two in one day is insane. These are two all pro caliber players.

One of them is an all-timer. The other one's been really, really darn good in his career. and it's had a lot of success in the same day. Tyreek Hill also got traded. That's an elite player. Bradley Chubb was playing really well for the Denver Broncos when he gets traded. Like there's a lot of players who have been moved that are on the elite side. So you have to pick when is the right time to do it.

And I think, you know, the Vikings going into free agency and what they were looking for last year, they did not make the big trade. This even goes for Dexter Lawrence. That's another elite player. They didn't make the big trade last year. Instead, they decided to make the big signings, which are a little bit on the different side from this. Because if someone is a free agent, that means that their team just straight up let them go for a reason more likely than not and didn't want to pay them. So if someone's not getting paid by their team, it may be because they didn't like how the performance was going, right?

because if you want to find the cap space, you usually can. So when Allen is cut, when Hargrave is cut, there's a reason for that. They could still play, but they were not what they used to be. In trades for top players, that's different because Miles Garrett is still playing at a ridiculously high level. So there's really no big risk involved. Where I think free agency is at its best and where Seattle did a good job with it and the Vikings have as well at times is when you get a Blake Cashman. where it's somebody that the team had for one year and was pretty good, but hadn't done it before.

So they decide, you know, we just can't afford his price. And then you get a steal. Or Isaiah Rogers. Hey, this guy was a backup, but your team really likes him. Those have been their best types of moves. It's rarely superstars who end up in free agency. So you do have to decide when the right time to make the trades for them are. Jay says, why did the Wolfs not promote Rob to president of Vikings operations?

I hope they gave him a raise. Maybe they did. I don't know about that. But when it comes to keeping the same position, I think there's an adjustment there, or at least it seems like there is, of how the power is going to be distributed. President would have indicated that he was the prime decision maker,

which actually is a real thing that matters. Teasley is going to be considered the prime decision maker. So, like, there is a, in the NFL, there is a name for it. Like it's so Matt Ryan is that in Atlanta. Matt Ryan is like the prime. I think it's called the prime or whatever it is, the number one guy and they have a label.

So Tisley is that here. If they had made him president, then it would have probably been robbed. Stephen, I think I did give a fan dual question of the day. And it was that the Rams are now, yes, I did because earlier I did an emergency podcast breaking this down.

And I said to Sam Brookhouse of Sumer Sports, who was on the show with me, I said, Rams are the field. That on Fanduel, the Rams are plus 550 to win the Super Bowl. That's almost twice as good of odds as anybody else right now. Rams or the field, which are you taking? Was the fan dual question of the day. But thanks for your reminder.

Evan, you think versus asking Crosby how to fail physical? Oh, that's funny. Dirty Mike, Chris Hurden, Edom Theelan, got a clench as a Vikings fan at the end of training camp. Dude, yeah, look, you're going to. exactly right about that, that some of their worst trades under Spielman and then clearly the Thielen did come at the end of training camp. So you do have to be careful with that. If someone's getting rid of somebody, but Gilmore is an example of a free agent who hung around and just didn't

want to go to training camp and then it worked out. I got the sense that Carson Wentz was the same story. Mike, I think that Tisley should lay down the law. No draft capital goes out the door under any circumstance that would indicate the shift I am hoping for. I think that it's not just Tisley, but also Rob Brasinski should have that as well. Because you can always talk yourself into, hey, what if we just make this one move, we got this many wins, and if we just get this one more guy, if we just get this one more guy, but something that the markets are always very smart about and the gambling people, the Vegas odds makers is they understand what moves the needle and what doesn't.

So on Miles Garrett and Micah Parsons is like, yes, that's the level of if they're playing in a game, that number's moving. And if, or if they're not playing in a game, that number is moving. But if the Vikings, for example, had moved Blake Brandel to left tackle in 2024. And I don't think this was the worst move in the world. I understood why they did it. But if they just moved him to left tackle and. brought back at Ingram and had Dalton Reisner play guard.

Are the results different? I mean, probably not, right? Like, Brandl could handle himself a little bit of tackle. Kim Robinson turned out to be very bad, very costly as they went down the stretch. And you gave up draft capital for it. And you gave up draft. The one that is crazy to me is Jalen Rager. And it's not much.

But it's like you traded something for Jalen Rager. So that's. the type of move that they need to stop doing. And they also need to have a sense for, and this is where Rob did a great job with the Jonathan Grenard trade. I don't love it that Jonathan Grinard is not here. But if you're going to do it, draft capital, top hundred picks, cap space, getting those things.

And I keep saying stockpiling because it's the right word, just hoarding as much of that capital as you can. And sometimes, yes, you have to make a move. And sometimes an opportunity comes your way where you're like, this is it, got to make this move, go for it. But it's rare that those moves are truly justified. And those picks, you just need as many shots at that as you possibly can. Jay says, I think the Vikings need to save cap space for next year's free agents and maybe resigning Kyler. Yep, I agree with that.

Yep, I agree with that. And that's why you can't do a bunch of everyone extend out. everyone, but you also can do some extensions that you know are going to fit into the future. Rach said, I noticed JJ speaking about the team as if it was as if it was somehow separate from himself, I wonder if his camp wants a trade if he doesn't become the starter. Yeah, I again, don't want to put words in his mouth. But him talking about it saying the organization, the coaches, not like in any sort of personal way, did feel very much like what you're talking about.

and I mean, nobody knows how this thing's going to play out with J.J. McCarthy, but he certainly, and I saw Dan Patrick was talking about this as well. I mean, he certainly put the target on his back when he talked the way that he did. And was he trying to send a message to the team about, you know, how he feels about the entire situation? Or was he just being that way in front of us to show that he's mad at us? I've seen that before. Like, it was really hard to interpret. but one thing that you were sure about is that there's a way that people usually go about that for a reason because you're part of a team they're paying you you're there to help the franchise win until you're

not so when you're talking about it is if it's just like he's over there i'm over here the organization the coaches whatever like that doesn't sound like somebody who is saying i'm going to do everything i can to help us win because this is the team that i play for that pays me right so it's didn't come across. If he was aiming for something else, it didn't, it didn't come across. Joker says the Rams went full Rams and still re-built through the draft. Can we do that? Or are they just way better at us.

Well, they are really exceptional at that. And it did take time. And look, that's, I just think that it's better to wait on that and see. When the Rams went full Rams, remember, they did not do it all in one fell swoop. I mean, they actually made moves. Wasn't the Vaughn Miller trade and in-season trade? you know, the Vikings can wait to see how good they are and then make a decision. Didn't, uh, was, I'm trying to think about like was, was it Vaughn Miller?

Was it Vaughn Miller who was the one that they made the big trade for? I feel like it was. And if they, maybe there was a other moves that happened in the middle of that season. So you can, I'm not like, look, when you say, and you're banging the drum for this and I love that that you're saying, hey, like, look, this team's really good and whatever. I know the Rams just did this. but why not make a big move? I could only see it if things are going really, really well for them

and then they decide it's time to go. But even then, that is extremely, extremely risky toward the future. Because like I was just talking about, if you make that big move and then Kyler rolls an ankle in the wildcard round, then what? Then you've given up a first round draft pick. If it's a multi-year move I could see. But even then, you've got to get to a point through the draft where you can afford this.

that's the biggest thing for me. The Seahawks could afford Leonard Williams because they built through the draft. The Vikings are just not a spot in a spot right now. RZ-R-Z-Triple-07 says, speaking of the D-line, what are your thoughts on the edge room? So I'm actually really intrigued by how they're going to use Ty Ingram Dawkins. If they are going to use Ingram Dawkins as an outside linebacker, I'm really interested in that because I've always seen a lot of, like Jehad Ward in his game.

It's like a bigger guy, like 275 pounds. He's a good athlete and like maybe is not ever going to be the most refined guy. But that athleticism alone in the size and the power and the speed, he could be very interesting in a little more space rather than in a phone booth inside. And I like Elijah Williams as a big giant dude as more of a three, four defensive end than I do Ingram Dawkins. So I like that. I'm a little bit interested in Chaz Chambliss. I'm a little bit interested in Bo Richter and whoever else they bring in and undrafted

free agents. But I think it needs a veteran. I think it needs a little bit of you can rely on this person behind Andrew Van Ginkle and Dallas Turner. No one's going to take Van Ginkle's spot. And I just, I don't see Golda right away as being able to do that. So I think you need one other person that you could say, all right, if this guy goes down, we for sure know that we have player X,

and I do think that something will happen at some point. TSB, curious about the safety room. Is there a competition happening? Is Theo the starter? Does Jacoby Thomas have a chance? Does Jay Ward exist? Feels like Mattelis is the only sure thing right now. So at least my first impression, and thank you for that question.

The, my first impression was that Josh Mattelis and Theo Jackson are going to be the traditional safeties and by traditional, there's nothing super traditional about what Brian Flores does. So Mattelis, I'm sure, would still be moving around a lot. But Jay Ward is going to kind of shift into a big nickel Josh Mattelis position. That makes the most sense because Jay did make a very positive impression on me last year's physical play. He plays with conviction, like downhill tackling, aggressiveness. You know, I like to see that.

I think Theo can take another step from last year. It wasn't atrocious. There were just some times where, dude, you've got to plug a hole in the run or run down a screen or this is not going to be good for you. I also thought there was a lack of opportunity because they weren't winning a lot. So how often did Theo Jackson get to just make a play when a team was desperately throwing down field? That didn't happen much. So that's where they're at right now. I don't know that Jacoby Thomas has a great chance over guys who have been in this defense for years.

I mean, maybe if it really clicked, I think right now he's depth, and it depends on Harry coming back. I could also see one more guy. I mean, Donovan Wilson is someone that I've been kind of interested in. What is his plan? He's 31 years old. He's played a long time for Dallas, but he's been a good player at times in his career. Could you add one more if Harrison Smith is not coming back? And maybe they're kind of just holding out to see that.

Mike says the Rams are a better organization. We can't hope to just copy them. Well, I mean, the Seahawks, which is where you're getting your new GM, we're able to beat them. So that's kind of what you're trying to emulate in a lot of ways, which is that if you can solidify your quarterback position and really put all of your emphasis on drafting and get a lot of draft picks. And I know it's the bleep them picks, but they had a lot of picks in the other rounds, not just, you know, they did trade first rounders, but they had a lot of picks in other rounds. And Seattle had a ton of picks. Seattle had 14 top 100 picks since 2022. The Vikings had eight.

I mean, that's six more players in the top 100 of the draft. That's a lot. So if that's how you're going to do it, I mean, look, this is what everyone's trying to do is slay the dragon. So they went out and got somebody from a team that slayed the dragon. So you can be. They're not that far. They're not that far away from organizational, like, you know, ownership and functionality. and stuff like that.

They're not that far away. Jeremy, can we trade McCarthy to the Browns for the Rams first round pick? Probably not. Probably not. Johns is considering our owner's overall track record. I'm very impressed. They decided to go completely opposite of nepotism. I mean, I don't think hiring someone who worked here for years before would be like nepotism.

I think I mean, I think of that is just someone who worked the way up your ladder instead of another team's ladder. get what you're saying, Teasley and the sporting cast needs to perform. Yeah, I mean, like, I agree with you in general that going on the outside and then pairing it with the people who are here says to me that the Wilf's understand that you don't need to just blow up this entire, you know, thing. You don't need to fire everyone and get rid of everything. What you need to do is find someone with a fresh approach and you need to nail player evaluation in the draft. And this is a person. who's that has been a major focus of his for the last several years since being bumped up to assistant general manager. So that's really what you're aiming for is building a staff of evaluators

that can hit more than they miss. And then the other stuff has been good. Rob's been good at his job. Kevin O'Connell largely has been good at his job. So it's not like you need everything to change with Nolan Teasley. Devin says McCarthy's value is at its lowest right now. Let him finish a few games for Kyler efficiently and maybe trade him next to off season. Yeah, it's possible. JP, if, uh, and look, I mean with JJ, I'm just not in a hurry to do it because I want to wait and see if Kyler is healthy long term. And also I wouldn't completely count it out. As long as he has the right attitude behind the scenes, it doesn't really matter what he says to us. That was my biggest question is, oh, is this how you're approaching this? Are you approaching this from a position of like

humility and understanding of how far you have to go to be even as good as Kyler Murray, or are you approaching this as, no, I'm already great and nothing you could tell me matters. You'd be shocked how many athletes are like that. So I don't know if JJ is. He's never come across that way. But if he is, well, then he's probably not going to get a lot better. But I'm willing to wait and see rather than, you know, trading him after one press conference. JP, if Kyler proves to be that he's our franchise quarterback, do you see us trading a third for Devon Achan?

H.N just signed a big extension with Miami, so I don't think that they're going to trade maybe, I mean, maybe someday at some point. But I don't think they're going to trade him right away. What I do see is if Kyler locks himself into being the franchise quarterback this year, if he goes 11 and 6, and he is a top, 10 quarterback-ish, top 12, somewhere in that range. Let's say they either win a playoff game or they're very close or whatever it might be. And they say, all right, we're going to sign you to a Daniel Jones type extension, a Sam Darnold type extension, whatever it's going to be, right? Something like that.

Then your goal becomes to competitive, competitively rebuild, but largely through the draft. And keep as much of this team together as you can, but really put an emphasis on refreshing it around Kyler Murray and then seeing where this takes you. And then when the moment strikes, that's when you make big trades. So I think that's, that's kind of the goal. You're right. Yes, Blake Cashman just had a baby. Yep.

So that's why he wasn't there. Not demanding a trade either. Delton says, tuning into here a new narrative of McCarthy because we have a new GM, not this BS smear campaign. Buddy, you're in the, you're in the wrong comment section. You're in the wrong comment section. That's all I can say. That's all I could say.

It's the wrong comment section. This is the comment section that belongs to the person that wrote a book called football as a numbers game. This is the reporter. This is went to college to be a reporter. It's all objective here, my friend. It's all the facts. That's what we go on.

We don't go on smear campaigns. We don't go on hyperbole. We don't go on vibes. We go on facts. And the fact of the matter is the Minnesota Vikings did not. not like their quarterback play last year. They felt that if they had had even reasonably good quarterback play, that they would have been a legitimate contender last season.

So they went and got the best number one by far a mile quarterback who was available to be their starter. That's just the reality, man. And if J.J. McCarthy had come to the podium and he had said, look, I'm trying to learn everything I can from Kyler Murray. I want to do the best I can for this coaching staff to prove that I belong out there. but no matter what happens, even if I'm the backup quarterback, I'm given 100% every single week because I want to win a championship with this team. I'm going to do the absolute best I can, bring the best attitude to work every single day.

If he said that, I would have come back and I would have sat down here and said, that was really good. And it shows the right attitude because you're going to need that if you're going to succeed. He didn't do that. I can't change that. I can't change 12 interceptions to only 11 touchdowns. I can't change his 42nd rank quarterback rating. I can't do it.

I can't change his 27 sacks. Those all happened on the field. Purple Insider can't change the facts. We can only analyze them. So smear campaign, call whatever the hell you want. It's just the truth of the matter, man. Kyler Murray's your quarterback. And it's on J.J. McCarthy to prove that there's a different narrative.

It's, you know, you say narrative as if it's like made up. It's not made up that they went out and got a really, really darn good quarterback who was drafted number one and has been a pro bowler and has played very well at times in his career. That's not made up, man. You know, that's not shifted or shaped or anything. That's just the fact of the matter. And if you don't like the facts, well, that's not my problem. Those are the facts.

Skull Shadow says, can you ask Tisley after all the collaboration who has the final call? I'm sure someone will. It's pretty rare that we actually get an answer on that. And I'm sure we won't. And I respect the fact that Rob Brzezinski did give us an answer on that at the NFL combine. But usually we don't get an answer unless someone finds out. And maybe someone will find out. But normally in a press conference, that's going to be asked about.

I guarantee you that's going to be asked about. It's just the purple insider. I'm probably not going to be the one to ask that question. Because if I get one, I want to find out about, you know, inside baseball stuff. So that's what I'm going to try for if I get a chance. but a tie says vikes are years away from a move like this to me it shows how much the team has to catch up you know i think that that wouldn't have been true had j j mccarthy worked out if mccarthy had worked out they would have extended jonathan grenard and been looking to

try to make a move like this if he was great they'd be in this market for sure so it's funny about how it works out like how you know thin the margins are and how if one thing changes then everything is different but truly if j j j mccarthy had been good they're probably having conversations with the Cleveland Browns in the same way that the Rams did, because they have a good team around them. Cac Yators? It's Thursday is the practice availability, Thursday for OTAs. Jay says, Vikings are in a great spot this year.

If you were Tisley, what is the one thing you would change before the 2026 season starts? Well, yeah, I mean, in terms of like his front office, you mentioned a new AGM. Yeah, that's probably going to happen. but the one thing I would change on the field is I probably wouldn't change anything on the field before the end of training camp except for maybe getting like one extra free agent depth player but I would want to see everything with my own eyes if I was coming in I would want to and I'm sure I'd have an impression of hey what this looks like and everything else but I would want to see everything for the first time like it's fresh and I would want to get to

get a full impression of every single player, every single situation, everyone in the front office before I started shuffling things around. And since we know that moves can be made at any time a year, I think I'd have time to be able to do that. Probably, you know, extensions. The tough part is I'd love to give extensions to veteran players, but also I'd rather, as a new GM, I'd rather just watch them play for a year and then decide what I want to do. So, like, taking the time, that's that's what I would do. Hunter, do we think hitman is done? No idea.

It seems that way, but he could come back at any time. You don't have to sign your, your death papers or whatever that you're never playing again. You don't have to do that. You don't have to announce your retiring. So he might just be waiting to see or waiting until they got June 1st cap space.

I don't know. But I wish I had an answer on that. but I really don't. And, you know, Harrison is not the type of guy who's going to leak it out to reporters. Here's what I'm thinking. That's not him. That is definitely not him. So we'll see.

I mean, if he's coming back, you know, it'll come out through his agent, I'm sure, through certain people. But in terms of like, hey, Matt, here's what I'm thinking. He's never been that guy for, you know, with any of us. So let's see. Let me get a couple more. And then I'm going to go watch my wife call some basketball for the Minnesota links. Evan, if you're the Seahawks, are you calling the Raiders about Crosby?

Well, they did lose Boy A. Maffay and they do have cap space. So I think what you're doing with Seattle, this is a very rare situation where two of these guys get traded on June 1st. I think that what will probably happen is it'll play out with Max Crosby into the season. If the Raiders are terrible, then yeah, they should be looking to trade him in the season. Like every situation kind of has its own thing. but Seattle, they have some cap space. So they made moves last year to get better. Even at the trade deadline, I would not be shocked at all if they get into the season

and try to take every opportunity they can. These two teams are all in. They are all all in. Skoll shadow, if this season goes south in 2026 and KOC doesn't get to the playoffs again, do you think the Vikings ownership lets Tisley overhaul the team and get a coach and quarterback he believes in? It's a great question. It's a great question.

I do not know. The way that this thing is being laid out right now, the way that it's being presented, as if they want for a long period of time, Tisley, KOC, and Rob Brzezinski to be making the calls. And I have never gotten the sense that the ownership of this team feels like they are judging KOC minute to minute. Like maybe you would if it was Mike Zimmer and the internal stuff was a disaster. it has felt much more like they picked KOC over KC when there was this enormous disaster because they like the way that KOC has run the culture. And when you're consistently getting voted at the top of the league by the players,

I think they like that a lot. And when you go four and eight and turn it around and at the end of the year, you know, you're over 500. I think that they appreciate that too for KOC. But you know what? If your situation plays out and they win seven games, there might be a decision there to be made. like Tisley now has despite the fact that there's a contract extension and everything else for

KOC Tisley now has like the I don't want to call it the upper hand but like he's the he's the new guy he's the one with you know the freshest eyes on the franchise so I never want to say never to any these things I just don't ever get that sense that oh they brought in Tisley to decide on KOC in one year and then move him out because I think ownership wants KOC to be here long term JP, we can't compete with the Rams specifically by going rogue. The most insane thing we could do is trade a third for someone trading first and seconds would be falling into the trap. It's hard to get out of.

Yeah, I mean, Joker says, are we as good as the Rams? No, it's worth a shot to go all in on these. You can win one game in the playoffs against them. I understand where you're coming from is like, hey, man, you got a good team. But I would much rather want to see how it plays out first. That's my thing. is like, I'm not, I don't want to totally dismiss what you're saying because they might do it. But let's see how it plays out in the first number of weeks over the season to get a sense of how good this team is before you just make a giant move.

And I really do want them to build through the draft over multiple years. The only reason the Rams are in position to do this is Matthew Stafford and building through the draft. Jay, do you think Tisley will convince KOC one of the missing pieces is a star running back? that is something that for sure the Seattle Seahawks believe in. They spent a first round draft pick. They spent a high pick on Ken Walker. I could see that being into the future. Yeah.

I mean, right now they have a good running back in Jordan Mason. I think he's actually a little underappreciated for how good he was last year. But running is something that they appear to be emphasizing more with their hires and their moves with the coaching staff. But it's probably going to be something that the GM believes in because, man, Did he see it with Seattle? What's the first question for the new general manager? How I decide?

Well, I don't know what the first person's going to ask. I mean, you never know. Like, there's a lot of people in a room at that point. How I decide. I mean, I usually have a sense going in. I mean, this is all I do all day long is write about the team, talk about the team with you guys. And when I'm not writing or talking,

I'm usually talking to my friends while we're playing golf about the team anyway. So I'll have a pretty good idea. idea in any press conference, what is on my mind. But usually it's what I think that the audience can get something out of. Like, I'm looking for when I'm talking about how I decide, it's what insight could I get. So rather than saying, do you have final say and just knowing that there's not going to be an answer there, I would much rather say, when you were with Seattle and you oversaw the research and analytics department and elements of the scouting, how did you weigh those things together? Because I feel like that could offer some insight in just to how the guy thinks.

That's what I'm looking for. You know, with KOC sometimes it's who's practicing today kind of thing. But usually it's the same sort of story for any of the coaches or whatever else. It's just who can tell me something interesting. And what you're looking for is how can I get insight that we might be able to use on the show for a conversation that will just learn us something pretty interesting because these guys know more about football than all of us combined. So yeah, I mean,

it really depends on the situation. But for a new GM, that would be my first question. If I get one, it's going to be a lot of people, you know, you never know. But I'll probably ask something about that. If someone else asks it, then I'll have my answer anyway. But there's a lot of things about, you know, what it means to him to be here, what he knows about the organization, how he sees final say is what everyone wants to know, but just how he sees the triumvirate or the tricycle of power is really interesting, right?

So there's a lot to be asked. Super Rod says if the Vikings are trashed at the deadline, what do you think the team would do? I hope that Nolan Teasley is given the power to trade away anything that has value. And look, they could do it. I mean, there's Van Ginkle, there's Hawkinson, there's O'Neill, there's Cashman. Like, if they're trash at the deadline, I want to see the owners say, we've made this mistake before. It's time to move on. And I think that's what, you know, Tisley would do.

Thank you, Mike. I appreciate you tuning in. Thank you, Jay. Thank you all of you. It was a really enjoyable show. I appreciate all of the questions, comments, thoughts. Who knew that June 1st would be an exciting day in the National Football League? I didn't expect it.

And yet, here we are with Miles Garrett on the Rams, AJ Brown on the Patriots, the Vikings announcing a new general manager. What a time to be alive. So much to come this week. Sam Monson, already there was a very interesting podcast. with Sam Brookhouse breaking down this big trade today. Sam Monton is stopping in tomorrow. And then on Wednesday, 10 o'clock is the press conference.

Then Dane Mizatani and I will record a podcast right after. And then you'll hear from us as soon as I get home. And let's see, probably go live Wednesday night to get all of your reactions. And then Thursday we'll have an OTA practice. And I'm thinking maybe I'll connect. Maybe Dane and I will podcast again or somebody out there. and then we'll go live again. And then I will take a nap.

So it's going to be a fun week. It's going to be a really fun week in June talking about football. Man, blessed. We are blessed, my friends. Thanks again, everybody for watching. Really appreciate all of your participation. And if you're just getting to start watching the show, jump in the comment section.

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