Purple Insider - a Minnesota Vikings and NFL podcast - Radio Row Buzz (Part 2)

Episode Date: February 6, 2024

Matthew Coller talks with Vikings fans about the buzz at radio row, especially surrounding the quarterbacks Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 so for those just joining the reason i'm in a las vegas hotel room is i am here in las vegas to promote my book so i have been going on a bunch of radio stations at Radio Row. I'm sorry to disappoint some of you that I'm not doing the show from Radio Row, but they actually shut it down by the time that we were going to do the show. So it's not open right now, and I wouldn't have been able to do it. But I'm trying to post some pictures on Twitter and some of my appearances and stuff like that. But actually the wifi where I am in my hotel in circa is quite a bit better than it is at the radio row. So it's probably easier to actually stream this to you
Starting point is 00:01:00 guys here anyway. Well, I'm really happy that we have such a huge crowd for the show tonight start off by just talking about how a lot of the interviews that i did of course the kirk cousin situation would come up for all of them and i didn't run into anybody in a half a dozen or more nfl cities that thought it was a good idea for the Vikings to bring back Kirk Cousins. And it just made me think, yeah, okay. No one's, no one's going to think we're nuts for not bringing him back. And most of the comments I got were, Hey, Kirk's a pretty likable guy, right? Is that true? Like, yeah, I guess so. Uh, he was our media good guy of the year and has endeared himself to this team. But I was also thinking when people were asking me about that, especially in new England,
Starting point is 00:01:46 because I don't think he's a great fit for the Boston market, but it just, it sort of struck me that would this even be a discussion if cousins had not turned around his public perception and he did it through legitimate leadership in the locker room, which he was empowered to do and had a good relationship with Kevin O'Connell. So it wasn't like something that was made up, but he made his public perception quite a bit different over the last year and a half, two years, or I guess a year and a half
Starting point is 00:02:16 worth of football games. If it had been like at the end of 2021, there would have been no discussion about this as far as him coming back. I think, I think it would have entirely just been like, all right, onto the next quarterback. So I'm, I'm back a ways in the chat, but I'm going to work my way through for a little while longer. And then I got to preserve my voice and I actually have to be up at like five 30 in the morning tomorrow. So I'm going to finish up some other work, uh, in a bit, but we'll keep chatting for a little while. Uh, Mike says, does trading away multiple first to go for a top three guys scare you guys at all?
Starting point is 00:02:56 Do you think they clearly are that much better prospects? I'm down for whatever, uh, KO thinks that, um, he deserves a shot. Yeah. So, oh, if, yeah, if KOC thinks that he likes one of those quarterbacks, historically, it's dangerous to trade all the way up to the top. But I also think that it is possible that you would much rather trade a lot to get a prospect who could potentially be an elite quarterback versus reaching. So those are kind of your two options. If they think that these guys are in a similar ranking or spot as the mock draft world does, which thinks that all of them are back end of the first type prospects. Now, if you compare, would I rather trade down and take Michael Penix at 20 versus trading everything up to get Jaden Daniels. I still think trading up
Starting point is 00:03:47 is probably the answer. It's really about whether that's possible or not. Like that's the big thing is can they actually do that? Or is new England just going to take Jaden Daniels and that will be it. And then you have to settle for something else, which could be trading down. And if that's what they settle for, I'll still like it. I'll still think good. They've got potentially their next quarterback. And if he's not, then draft somebody else. Enigma says, I've said this, if Penix, because Penix is a lefty, see what Darisaw can get you in draft capital. I just wonder if any of you guys watch TJ Clemmings play left tackle for the Vikings, because I think a left tackle is a position that if you get it, you hang on to it forever. That is the way I look at it.
Starting point is 00:04:32 You don't let that go lefty righty. Somebody throws out of their nose. Like, look, the best edge rushers rush off that side and you need someone to stop them because whether it's pressure in your face or pressure on your backside, I, I don't want pressure. Less pressure is bet is better. Um, so I, I would prefer to keep Christian Darisaw unless it gets me Jaden Daniels. Uh, Jamie says, people say that JJ McCarthy is the next Josh Allen, uh, better look at both players sizes. No comparison. Allen is 50 pounds heavier and two
Starting point is 00:05:06 inches taller. I haven't seen that comparison. I guess you have, I have not. Um, JJ McCarthy has the raw tools to be like a more mobile Jared golf, maybe somebody who throws the ball hard, not always super consistent, but can fit it into windows and really is just excellent at operating an offense. I think that's what his main feature is supposed to be, that he can make really good throws escape. If you need him to Josh Allen is an all-time freak at the quarterback position, like legit all-time freak. Um, not even the only, the only comparison to Josh Allen would be Anthony Richardson or Cam Newton, or if Bo Jackson
Starting point is 00:05:45 played quarterback. Like those are the only guys that I can think of, uh, that are similar, um, to Josh Allen. Not, not, not too many. It's like, it's like if an edge rusher played quarterback, there's just not too many. Nobody in this draft is like Josh Allen. Um, not even Caleb Williams, who is significantly smaller, has a lot of skill, but is significantly smaller. Jay Benedict says, can't we just draft best player available instead of drafting for need
Starting point is 00:06:12 every year? Well, yes, yes, you can. But best player available is relative to positional value. You would reach on a quarterback because if you hit on a quarterback, then you are amazing. Like I just mentioned that the consensus boards that everybody loves so much did not like Patrick Mahomes, the greatest quarterback of an entire generation. So it's not like even something that might be a reach versus consensus boards are a guarantee that it's not going to work out. If the quarterback ends up working out, then it's amazing. And you're great
Starting point is 00:06:52 for a long time, or at very least in their rookie window, you have a chance to compete for the Superbowl. So reach on a quarterback by all means. I don't care about that. Uh, reach on a linebacker. No, because that's an easier position to replace. For example, uh, reach on a wide receiver. Maybe I would, you know, like there's, there's a difference when it comes to best player available, um, at what position it just so happens that the Vikings need to take best player available at key positions like edge rusher and i think defensive tackle is a very high value position if that player gets pressure so if they if they ignore the quarterback position and they've moved on from kirk then what's your answer that's
Starting point is 00:07:35 something we were just talking about is you have to have an answer in that scenario it can't be draft no one and have no quarterbacks because otherwise jaron hall's starting and i guess they would be in line for shadur sanders then uh if that happens uh is the faithful says oh man i think 24 is going to be rough i do too i i mean that's to me that's okay to me that's okay i don't mind that if 24 is rough but but you are developing a quarterback, then that's what we've wanted. Like this year was another stuck in the middle type season that they lost just enough to put them in position to maybe potentially draft a quarterback. But I think what we've been talking about for a while is let it go when it comes to,
Starting point is 00:08:24 you know, the need to be eight, nine, nine and eight all the time. I think what we've been talking about for a while is let it go when it comes to, you know, the need to be eight, nine, nine, and eight all the time. Like, let that go really lean into trying to actually rebuild this team to compete because you fell behind trying to do it in 2022 with the other teams in your division. Now, tough versus interesting can be a discussion. If this team is still acting like it's stuck in the middle and brings back Kirk Cousins and they have a tough 2024, that's very bad. If they draft quarterback and have a tough 2024, then it could be very interesting, right? Even if the guy has his struggles following from week to week, development, progress,
Starting point is 00:09:04 what's working, what's not working could be a really interesting season uh as opposed to another one where you're just battling for the in the hunt graphic which i'm very exhausted of uh after many years of that covering this team uh horn fan two says build the defense and just just let Mullins throw for 400 yards every game. Then we'll have a top five pick and get our quarterback next year. I wonder what would Nick Mullins stat line be if he played in Kevin O'Connell's offense for 17 games, it'd be like 5,200 yards, 38 touchdowns, 41 interceptions. Like, I don't know something like that. It would be, it would be one of the wildest seasons probably ever, I guess, by a quarterback. It would probably
Starting point is 00:09:54 look exactly like Jameis Winston's, even though he does not have the tools of Jameis Winston. Dan says, I'm all right with the D line pick, but it will be a letdown if they don't take a high quarterback trading back or otherwise. Yeah. Those quarterbacks historically that are taken in that trade back zone, you get a lot of Brady Quinn's there. And that would be concerning. I think if they were trading back and still trying to take their guy, a lot of Kenny picket types, although, you know, I, I would say that Jordan love was taken there as a toolsy type of prospect who ended up, you know, being a quarterback that again, you guys would be quite excited about if you had them. So, uh, let's see. Jamie says, I think they should move up before the draft. That way they
Starting point is 00:10:47 know what they want is available. Second round picks don't generally work out. Um, Jalen hurts was the exception. Yeah. For quarterbacks. You're right. Yeah. And that's my point is that about trading up versus trading down. If you're trading down, that means a lot of the league is evaluated this quarterback. It doesn't like, so that's where, you know, we talk about those reaches and things like that. Um, you know, that's, that's riskier if you're trading down to me than trading up and having the high end be potentially very successful. Uh, Scott says, I'd say McCarthy at hisarthy at his age burrow was still at osu ceiling is different uh but relatable to richardson in terms of growth well i mean i get like with richardson there's just no comparison with richardson and almost anyone uh because of the physical talent like jj mccarthy
Starting point is 00:11:37 is not going to put up numbers at the combine like anthony richardson and everybody who's young doesn't have a ceiling i also think that. Sometimes we think just because somebody's young that in the distance between 21 and 24, they will close the gap to a better, uh, to a better quarterback right now. And that's not a guarantee at all. I mean, I guess that that to me is a little bit of like mythology with quarterbacks and with players in general in the draft is the idea that they're always just going to solve their weaknesses in between versus an older prospect. But there's a, there's, there's something to that with him, uh, that he is younger and, and toolsy, but is he like so much more toolsy that he's that much better than, uh, Bo Nix or than Michael Penix that I'm not sure about. Uh, if they take them, then I'll say, great. Like that's exactly what you're supposed to do. But I'm just not totally convinced that just because someone is younger, like Zach Wilson was younger and toolsy and just never figured it out. And so was Sam Darnold and never figured it out. And I can't, I mean, Joe Burrow is such a different situation. Like, I don't, I don't know. Um, yeah, every, everything
Starting point is 00:12:55 has its ups and downs to doing it. Uh, Ben says, would you want any of the quarterbacks in the top three more than Anthony Richardson? Apparently the Vikings tried to move up for Richardson last year, willing to give up a lot of draft capital. I liked Anthony Richardson a ton as a prospect. So, I mean, obviously I guess they did too. I don't know if see like Jay Benedict asks isayden daniels this year's anthony richardson there's so much different as far as age and production um daniels is actually no one talks about how he's older but he's older uh anthony richardson i think was 20 so he's super super young and has one of the greatest athletic profiles ever i i don't know if daniels will or not i think so with his speed that he will but i don't know if his arm is quite not. I think so with his speed that he will, but I don't know
Starting point is 00:13:45 if his arm is quite Anthony Richardson, but Richardson was so, so raw, so, so, so raw. And Daniels is much closer to what he's going to be. So you have to kind of buy into the idea that what you're getting with Daniels is closer to what he's going to become versus Anthony Richardson, just because the sample size of him actually playing is so much bigger than it was with Richardson. But, um, so it's not like with Richardson, it was just such a big guess from the Colts. And I think they guessed right, but it was this wild swing at this super toolsy, raw all-time freak athlete at the position who I think has strong character and everything else
Starting point is 00:14:26 that got him drafted high. And you saw his leadership right away with Indianapolis. I think that'll continue to get better if he stays healthy. So I don't know about the other stuff with Daniels, the behind the scenes type of stuff. I don't think though, he's much of a swing in the dark as far as betting that someone who was pretty bad statistically will suddenly be great. And he kind of was with Indy. But Daniels is amazing statistically. So you're betting on that carrying over, which is maybe a little safer bet than Richardson was. But Richardson, of course, has the same high end because of his athleticism as someone like Josh Allen. So yeah, they come in all kinds, don't they?
Starting point is 00:15:05 I mean, quarterback prospects, it's kind of crazy. Uh, Dan says, Matthew, thanks for the cons on Daniels. Do you think that some of those might turn off KOC or do you think he'd welcome that challenge? What I think, or I'll say what multiple people have said to me is they could see Kevin O'Connell really liking someone who could make a play, a really special play with their legs. Because, yes, pocket quarterbacks are what he's worked with recently, but that doesn't mean that's what he exclusively wants. I mean, if you watch, of course, if you watch Lamar Jackson play or Anthony Richardson in a small sample size, uh, earlier this year when he was playing or Jalen hurts, when he was healthy with his legs and was running, you could see what an impact that has. I mean, if you watched, even if you watched the Vikings against the Eagles, look at what the running did to the running of the quarterback did to the Vikings against the Eagles, look at what the running did to the
Starting point is 00:16:06 running of the quarterback did to the Vikings defense. And Lamar Jackson has consistently had successful running backs, which I think ties back into Lamar Jackson. He's always taking up so much attention that running backs can have a lot of success. So, you know, I, I mean, I think that it also ties into a successful running game more than we give it credit for like, Oh, the Ravens I think that it also ties into a successful running game more than we give it credit for like, Oh, the Ravens running backs all average five yards to carry again. Like, well, is that also because linebackers are chasing the quarterback constantly? I think he'd like that.
Starting point is 00:16:36 Kevin O'Connell was a running quarterback in college. I don't think he's afraid of it. But there is the question of getting through progressions quickly, getting the ball out of your hands quickly and not taking devastating sacks. And if there's one negative on Jaden Daniels record, it's that he, he took sacks and, uh, you really do not want that. Um, so you'd have to train it out of them. Now, Deshaun Watson took a lot of sacks as well. And he eventually stopped doing that after early in his career, but that's something they'd have to work through is like Pennix and Nick's get rid of the football. That's a, that's a, that's a big bonus for them. Whereas Daniels takes a lot more, uh, attempts to make a play when nothing is there, you know, stuff like that. So, uh, David says, I really
Starting point is 00:17:21 think the best option, uh, in moving up, if the top three quarterbacks is from the 11th pick of the second into the latter part of the first. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I see what you mean. Uh, if the top three quarterbacks, if you can't get them, uh, then moving up from the second into the latter part of the first, that might have to be what they do is to take a defensive player, you know, take, take a defensive player in the first round and then trade back in if their intel is telling them that these quarterbacks are going to drop. And if they took a defensive end, edge rusher, outside linebacker, at number 11 and then traded back up at 28,
Starting point is 00:18:04 I don't know who's drafting 28. Doesn't matter. And took JJ McCarthy. I'd be like, great, good plan. Let's see what happens. Now you're going to have to have somebody who, you know, can be your quarterback for a year while you develop McCarthy and really stick to that. I think that's important to try to actually stick to that.
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Starting point is 00:19:51 That's the one thing I would be a little concerned about, whether it's Kirk, whether it's which quarterback, whether it's the approach to getting the quarterback, whether it's how much to spend in free agency, who to spend it on those types of things. I would be, because this is the type of moment that can kind of make or break a relationship. And I wonder if there was a power struggle between those two over what to do with the roster, how to manage decisions and stuff like that. I wonder who would win. I wonder who would win out. I think Kevin O'Connell would that's I'm just dropping that in late in the middle of this podcast that I have thought of this. That's all I'm going to say. I've thought of this, of this possibility because this decision is a huge one and it's the type that pulls people apart.
Starting point is 00:20:45 I'll tell you a quick story. A personnel person in the league told me about their team had traded up. I heard the story maybe a year ago, two years ago, they had traded up to take a player who didn't work out and the player went bust. And then what started to happen was a lot of people inside the building were like, I didn't want that guy. I didn't think we should have traded up. And the person I was talking to, the personnel person, was like,
Starting point is 00:21:12 wait a minute, we were all on the same page when we made that pick. But when things go wrong, people start to point fingers, or when directions that somebody wants to take aren't taken, then there can be potential friction there. So that's something that I've been thinking about recently is they better be on the same page. Because if there's friction, I think Kevin O'Connell is the one they're going to pick over Kweisi Adafo-Mensah. I'm not sure about that, but that's what I think. All right, let's keep going.
Starting point is 00:21:42 Let's see. Horn Fan 2 says, I believe we have 26 to 29 free agents. Hard to fill that many spots through a draft, especially if you sell your soul to move up for a top three spot. Yeah, no, I get it. And that's where this is not a one year thing. If you draft Jaden Daniels, you have, I believe, six seasons. Now, I know the rookie contract is four and then there's the fifth year option. But if you look at the way that any of these quarterbacks contracts are designed, at least through the fifth and sometimes through the sixth, it's pretty manageable. You've got that long of a runway to use your cap space to build around that player. Now the chargers wasted it all on Justin Herbert, but you don't have to fill all of those spots with great players tomorrow. It's impossible to do, but you can get this, the process started. You can get the ball rolling by having cap space and opportunity and going into 2025, you could be a big spender. And it's more important that, uh, you get top end type of players than it is that you just get
Starting point is 00:22:47 like average player. Like you can find average players in free agency and so forth. It's really important that you get top end players. So if you get top end quarterback play, you can work around those other things. You know, you could definitely, you could definitely work around those other things, you know, you could definitely, you could definitely work around those other things. All right. Let me, uh, let me keep scrolling here. Well, I have to, uh, put all compliments on the screen. Horse feathers said the book was great. So I hope your promo, uh, there generates lots of interest. Thank you. Horse feathers. I'm really happy that you got it and that you enjoyed it. It was a really fun story to tell. Um, and you know, actually, I mean, it was, it was really cool giving Ed McCaffrey my book that w that was actually pretty cool. It was not cool lugging a book bag full of books
Starting point is 00:23:38 through the Las Vegas airport, which if you've been here, it's a hike to get out of there. That was not fun. Dan points out that the 2014 Vikings were a compelling, exciting team, seven and nine. That's right. And went into that off season excited. That's right. You can have that. You can have that exact recreation next year. You probably cannot have 2017 next year because you need just so much of a better roster.
Starting point is 00:24:10 Let's see. Adnan, sorry if I'm pronouncing that wrong, says, I'm tired of just get a quarterback next year. Argument, get your quarterback now. Stop delaying the inevitable. Well, you and I are on the same page with that. I guess all I'm saying is that quarterbacks who have been mocked in this range, like Hendon Hooker, like Desmond Ritter, sometimes they're just not first round quarterbacks.
Starting point is 00:24:32 Now, I think that at least one of these guys is, but if they're not, then it's really hard to say to the Vikings, just grab one, whatever, if they're not evaluated that way. Jamie says, scouts are saying the 2025 draft class won't be anything like 2024. Yeah, what I've heard about 2024 from the start was that it was going to be very good. And now we're like past the senior bowl going, wait, is it any good? I don't know. And we'll see what comes out at the NFL combine. Those numbers on the mock draft database, they put charts of everybody's ups and downs.
Starting point is 00:25:10 It's a fun website to toy around with. And what you see is that they fluctuate a lot during draft season. So right now they're projected late first, but that could change depending on intel that comes out and so forth. So yeah, I don't know where those guys are going to land, but I'm, I am definitely team. Just take one, like just take a quarterback. The Vikings don't usually do that. I think that they should. It's just that if it's a Desmond Ritter situation and the league thinks the guy's a third round pick. Well, then I guess you can't
Starting point is 00:25:45 do it. Right. It was sort of like in a little bit like Will Levis where the Vikings pass on him and go, Oh really? And the guy doesn't go till the second round early in the second, but like, Oh, all the teams thought the same thing. I get it now. Uh, Jay says tackles are cheaper and easier to find in free agency, Orlando Brown jr. 16 per year. Then some of the premium positions. Do you agree? I do not agree with that because the thing is that the reason tackles are cheaper in
Starting point is 00:26:16 free agency is because they never become free agents, not the great ones. Orlando Brown jr. Is just the guy like respect him. Mahomes was able to win a Superbowl with him as his tackle. So he's got a ring. He doesn't have to give it back. Cause I said, he's not that great. He's not Christian Darisov. If you have a great left tackle, it's a cheat code. It's it's it's to me, it's one, still one of the most important positions on the field, both tackles, pressure, like go look at the numbers from when a quarterback is under pressure and when they aren't, it matters a lot. It matters a lot
Starting point is 00:26:53 when guys are under pressure. I mean, quarterback ratings drop by 40 points when somebody's under pressure, 30 points when someone's under pressure. If I can keep them from allowing the best player on the other team, rushing the passer to get after my quarterback lefty righty don't matter that that's a guy I'm keeping. That's a guy I'm paying. That's very important to me. Uh, Spencer says hypothetical, would you trade up to pick six or seven? If there was a Teddy Bridgewater duplicate, we could call him Freddie Ridgewater. Well, uh, if you told me that that quarterback was going to become where Teddy was headed with his career, like won a division played very well in a run first offense, and then was about to explode, uh, with good wide receivers. Because remember in 2015, he had very bad receiving and Mike Wallace,
Starting point is 00:27:46 Charles Johnson, like digs was just showing up. If you were going to give Teddy Bridgewater digs Thielen after that, then I think his numbers were going to increase. He was going to get better. Never happened because of the knee injury, et cetera. But if you were telling me that someone could give you that level of where, where I think he was going, which was probably going to be a top 10 quarterback, but not a top five, uh, maybe 10 ish. I would absolutely take the 13th best quarterback in the NFL on a rookie contract. I would not take him on a $40 million contract. I would take him on a $10 million contract. So if that's what Teddy was going to become and you had to pick them high, absolutely. Because of the advantages for being able to build
Starting point is 00:28:30 around that player. Uh, Adnan says our situation is perfect for a rookie quarterback to progress to premium tackles, great weapons. You really can't lose there. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing is when we talk about the odds, one of the things that we do is we look back in history, we go, all right, who succeeded, who failed? Like that's how we do it. How many succeeded? How many failed? But out of 30 quarterbacks who've been taken in the first or second, I don't know how many have, but let's just say the last 30, how much did situation play into all of it? And look, Patrick Mahomes was probably going to be good for anybody. I know I've heard the like, Oh, well he got with Andy Reed and it helps,
Starting point is 00:29:11 but the guy is so freakishly gifted, but how many quarterbacks who are good, how many quarterbacks end up being good because of the situation. If Jordan love plays right away, are we talking about today? I mean, maybe, maybe he'd fight through it or maybe he'd have his confidence destroyed. If Justin Fields lands in the right situation, does he develop faster and become a better quarterback by now? And I think the Vikings can give a quarterback the best opportunity. And look, if he stinks, he stinks like that's going to happen. But I think you have a chance to weigh those odds in your favor. So I saw a tweet of like only 38% of quarterbacks who are first rounders are successful. And of course they said that like Ryan Tannehill wasn't a good pick. I think Ryan Tannehill was a good pick, but the dolphins were
Starting point is 00:30:01 bad at the time and he had a good season or two and they were a middling team, but had they been a great roster and really well coached, see what I mean? Like maybe Ryan Tannehill ends up being a really good quarterback early in his career because once he had those things, he was really good and he won the AFC at one point. So, uh, a lot of it plays into it. If you could give me a Ryan Tannehill caliber quarterback, four years of a rookie deal, Jefferson, Addison, Hawkinson, I'll take my chances. I will take my chances. Is it perfect? No, but most of the time it's not. So you have to get a window to win with that guy. Hunter says pretty exciting talking about the possibilities of the quarterback position, isn't it? It is. It is. It is probably
Starting point is 00:30:46 the most excited. This is the thing. I am an hour and a half into this, and there are a lot of people watching. You know, if I was doing this before Vikings Bengals, I would have quit at 40 minutes because there would have been a handful of you watching. And I love all of you who are that loyal, but this is the most excited the fans have have been a long time, at least for my sense of talking to you guys all the time is just the possibilities that could come along with this quarterback position being open. Uh, Adnan, I see this all the time that Quasey never wanted Addison. Look, if Quaseesi never wanted Addison, he wouldn't have picked him. All right? Like, he's the guy who's running the personnel. Vikings Entertainment should regret putting that out there
Starting point is 00:31:31 because those conversations happen all the time. Like, all the time. Where the GM's talking about trading down, the coach wants to make the pick. Like, that's every draft room. So I don't think that they knew that people would interpret this as, like, Kwesi doesn't even know how to pick the pick. Like that's every draft room. So I don't think that they, I don't think that they knew that people would interpret this as like, Kwesi doesn't even know how to pick the good players and they should like, I don't know. That's, that's been frustrating to see that pop up. I just don't understand that. Like they're always going to have those discussions. Uh,
Starting point is 00:31:59 JP North says trading back into the first round for quarterback works. If you're okay with two or three second tier guys, you may not exactly get your guy. That is very true. And that's kind of like what we're talking about here is if they really like one of those three guys, if Kevin O'Connell is like, you know what? I'm good. I'm good with JJ McCarthy. That's my guy. Then I could highly support very highly support. Um, sorry, I'm, I'm reading more comments at the same time. Uh, so I, like I could very highly support them doing that if Kevin O'Connell really, really wants them. Uh, what about Bob? This, this is a, this is going to like tinfoil hat level. Uh, I've watched the VN videos of draft coverage the last two years. There are segments of pleading and disbelief between KOC and Kweisi.
Starting point is 00:32:55 I mean, it, the, the team could have never, like, this is put out by the team. Okay. Like if they, if they thought that there was like screaming at each other or real, like what you guys are describing. And I watched this video. I, I was like, okay, I mean,
Starting point is 00:33:13 somebody's going to have to point to me to the point in the video. This is like a back into the left situation. Uh, Jamie ordered the book. Thank you very much, Jamie. Appreciate that. Uh, it's like, but it's, it is like, uh, Jamie ordered the book. Thank you very much, Jamie. Appreciate that. Uh, it's like, it, but
Starting point is 00:33:26 it's like, it is like a, who like JFK situation with you guys in this Vikings entertainment thing with, uh, KOC and, and Casey. But I do, I do think though, I do think though that this is one of those situations. And this is one of those times that can create a lot of tension. I don't think that the Jordan Addison pick, like, I don't know. I mean, look, you're going to have people who are debating what to do in the draft in the draft room. That's it's like another movie reference here. There's no fighting in the war room.
Starting point is 00:33:55 Like, come on. It's a draft room in the NFL. Like there's going to be, that's where they're trying to build is like these tense moments of like, will they draft him or not? They did. Uh, so anyway, uh, Oh, Alexander makes a good point. Uh, do you realize that you have to chart every single training camp throw? If they pick a quarterback, you're right about that.
Starting point is 00:34:15 I have always been really against that. Um, I know that Patriots do it. Patriots writers, green Bay writers do it. Uh, Jordan love went six for nine today. And I'm like, okay. I know that Patriots do it. Patriots writers, Green Bay writers do it. Jordan Love went six for nine today. And I'm like, okay, that's good, I guess. Usually I go off of the feel. You know, do I feel like the offense was operating well in training camp? And I don't track, but people will be very interested in what the
Starting point is 00:34:46 numbers are. So they probably will want us to, to track and tell you, Hey, he was, uh, you know, eight for 14 or something. Uh, yeah, I don't know. Dr. Strangelove. That is correct. Yes. No fighting in the war room. I knew somebody would get it. Good job. Good job. All time. Great movie. Uh, Ben says, how about taking an edge corner DT and, uh, uh, and your top four couldn't be bad. Take Rattler early on. Well, you got, yeah. I mean, look, nothing is going to be more helpful than the quarterback. The quarterback will solve a lot of other problems. That's the thing is that it all trickles down from there. I was arguing with somebody about Patrick Mahomes and I was like, well, you know, Kansas city did the right thing
Starting point is 00:35:31 moving on from Tyree kill. And their argument was like, can you imagine how good the chief's offense would be if they had Tyree kill? And I said, good enough to be in the super bowl. I mean, like twice in a row. And, uh, so you, yes, that's a little bit of an outlier situation as far as a quarterback completely solving all of your problems like Mahomes, but they do it in lots of different ways. And some of it could be like I mentioned about Jaden Daniels impacting the run game. Some of it could just be that you have money to get those things. Like if you're, if you're drafting Spencer Rattler in the fourth, the chances that that actually works are extremely, extremely low.
Starting point is 00:36:11 I mean, that's like a one in 25 type of draft pick that's going to work in the fourth. I mean, I would rather take my coin flip with the first and then figure out the rest later. And the reality is you're just not going to be able to do it very quickly. Uh, it's going to take a little bit of time, so we'll see how it all kind of, kind of plays out anyway. Well, uh, I'm going to talk with Jeremiah Searles tomorrow. We're trying to set it up amidst all the radio hits. Uh, again, I mean, I guess I should show you guys the book again, cause that's why I'm out in Vegas here. Football is a numbers game. Sorry that there's a Philadelphia Eagle on the front. There's a reason for that.
Starting point is 00:36:49 You'll have to read the book to find out why, but thanks so much everybody for hanging out. This has been a really awesome, really awesome and energetic chat and had no plans to actually go on for this long because I have to get up early tomorrow, but I was just, I was just loving it. So thanks everybody for participating.
Starting point is 00:37:07 Had a lot of fun with you guys. Um, I'll be back home on Thursday, Thursday night. We'll go live. Might do a Wednesday too. I'm flying back on Wednesday. So I might go live and do another chat with you guys.
Starting point is 00:37:18 Will you guys doing this? Having this many good questions, comments, and thoughts about this team makes me want to do it more often. So, uh, plan on Wednesday night around the same time, eight central. And, uh, we'll see you guys then. Thanks so much, everybody.

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