Purple Insider - a Minnesota Vikings and NFL podcast - Sizing up the Vikings' competition in the NFC North -- so, just the Bears and Packers

Episode Date: October 22, 2021

Matthew Coller is joined by Ramie Makhlouf of 1250 The Fan in Milwaukee to talk about where the Packers and Bears stand as the Vikings head into their bye week. Is the Aaron Rodgers drama gone? Why isn't Rodgers as dominant as last year? Are we still buying the Packers as a legit contender? Plus why the Bears shouldn't be a threat in the division as long as Matt Nagy is in charge but the intrigue of Justin Fields makes them a candidate long term. Oh and the Lions are not discussed in this podcast because they are not relevant in the NFC North. #ByeWeekBonanza Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Do you sing it like that every time you say Bi-Week Bonanza? No, no, no. It's Bi-Week Bonanza. That's right. Did I get it? Did I get that right? Yeah, no, that's right. Bi-Week Bonanza.

Yeah. So in the Bi-Week Bonanza, we're looking at everything. We're looking at the draft class, how it's performed. We're looking at the state of the offensive line, which is, you know, probably a record setting episode here. I'm sure. And for you, because not only do you host in Milwaukee, but you also host sometimes at 670 to score in Chicago. And you are a noted longtime Bears fan. And you were here and no one cares about the Lions.

You are here to talk about the nfc north about the the relevant teams in the north yeah i have a pretty good handle on on all the relevant teams in the division the teams that have mattered since say lomas brown retired sure right but has anybody really mattered other than aaron rogers i know he owns the bears he told us all he owned the bears on sunday and I I got nothing to say in response to that yeah he does he owns the Bears and I don't like saying it but it's it's true but he owns the whole damn division dude he just owns the division I don't have it in front of me right now but after that I think it was I think it was one of the publications up there in in Minneapolis just just laid out all the dominance of Aaron Rodgers over the entire conference,

over the time that he's been the Packers quarterback. And it's remarkable and depressing for anybody who's not a Packers fan in this division. It's ridiculous what he and the Packers have done to this division for, I don't know, 15 years now. I was going to say, I think I figured out why. It's because he's better at football than all the other players. And that's why you're Matthew Collar.

I know. That's why you're a football genius, Matthew Collar, and stuff like that. Let's talk about Rodgers, though, and the Packers, because they are sitting at 5-1, and they're feeling pretty good about themselves. It does feel like, and you can tell me if I'm wrong about this. It feels like an unimpressive five and one because last year it seemed like the gas pedal was down and they were steamrolling everybody. And Rogers winning MVP and just was untouchable. And of course, they've been better since week one, but they've also had some tight squeezes to win games and it just looks like things are a

lot harder for Aaron Rodgers this year than they were last year can you put a finger on that on on the one hand it has been unimpressive and and Aaron Rodgers has been ever since the Saints game where he wasn't good very efficient but not like the explosive dynamic Aaron Rodgers and and Packers offense that we saw last year it's been a lot of screen passes trying to work the run game with Aaron Jones and and AJ Dillon I think part of that is defenses have changed up the way that they're defending the Packers offense and the Packers are making adjustments to that to take what defenses are giving to them and and it's working to the extent that they're scoring enough points to win football games.

They're just not that record-setting offense that they were last year. And, yeah, some of the wins have been squeakers and have been ugly. So unimpressive in that sense, Matthew. But when you think about it, it makes perfect sense. And it's actually kind of impressive in another way because of all the injuries that this football team has been dealing with. To be sitting here with five straight wins and five and one and running away with this division already is really all that you can ask for.

I've been telling Packers fans early on in the season that right now, especially with the injuries, take wins any way that you can get them and stack them up for seeding purposes and hope you're healthy and clicking on all cylinders by the time that the playoffs roll around. Because they've been without arguably four of their top seven players on the roster, which is Darius Smith and David Bakhtiari and Elton Jenkins and Jair Alexander. Then this week they lose their center, Josh Myers, their second cornerback behind Jair

Alexander, Kevin King. He wasn't there. Their safety, Darnell Savage, he left the game with concussion and they still pull out the victory. So at this point in the season, I don't think you can take issue with any form or fashion of a Packers win. Just get those wins. And like I said, hope you're healthy and clicking by the time the playoffs roll around even as great as Aaron Rodgers is he is impacted by offensive line play not having David Bakhtiari it seems like it's a big deal and where it shows up I was looking at his deep passing numbers only 16 percent of his passes are going deep down the field and on those throws it's only been 30 times he's attempted to throw farther than 20 yards down the field. So just about five times a game, nine out of 30 have been completed. And every single one of them, and this is kind of an important detail, every completion

has been a big time throw, which means it has to be into a tight window. It's not just throwing to a wide open receiver, 20 yards down the field, and he jogs into the end zone. So you're telling me that rogers forcing them to get randall cobb didn't suddenly reshape the wide receiver is that what you're saying and i think i think the injuries have have something to do with that as well matthew when you talk about the deep passes and the lack of explosiveness in this offense for starters a guy who i didn't mention when i was I was just listing off the injuries Marquez Valdez Scantling is their greatest deep

threat and that guy isn't on the IR right now and is is going to miss his his third game and left halfway through the the previous game with that injury so you take away his biggest deep threat you you're you're without David Bakhtiari you're You're maybe the best left tackle in this entire league. So he doesn't – they're not trying to throw the ball deep as often as they were last year, as you noted with the numbers there. And also when he does, he's often doing it under more duress and with more pressure in his face because he just simply doesn't have the time. And again, given where they're at on the depth chart,

to me, impressive what they've done as far as protecting Aaron Rodgers and not really letting him take too much of a beating back there and having the production that they do have back there. But there's going to be drop-off. And I do think that's where you see it, where Aaron Rodgers doesn't have that extra half second or seven-t tenths of a second to set up and get a good pass off.

Not to mention is missing his biggest deep threat. And so I think that that that has been taken away to an extent by the injuries. And teams are just kind of saying, we're going to take away the deep, the deep play from you and see if you'll be patient enough to run the ball and take the screen passes and the intermediate routes I think defenses are challenging them to do that and so far my uh my Matt LaFleur and Aaron Rodgers have shown that yeah we'll go ahead and be patient and just take whatever you give us and like I said it doesn't look as as good as it looked last year but they're scoring enough to win football games so last year 14 touchdowns by aaron rogers on throws over 20 yards this year so far zero which is a pretty big discrepancy now the drama rami in green bay over the offseason was

super compelling and all sorts of fun, but where is it? I mean, is it gone? Is it just disappeared into the ether and everything is fine and everyone is happy in green Bay because I mean, they're, they're five in one. And so Rogers so far has not come out and publicly demanded that he become general manager. Right. I mean, we talked about this. There's nonstop all the way through the offseason and and then here we are and there's not a peep so at least from what i see on a daily basis is

is that just eliminated or does it hover in the background and the first sign of trouble you think it's going to come up i don't i don't think it's affecting how they play i don't think these guys are talking about it down in the locker room i don't think anybody hates affecting how they play. I don't think these guys are talking about it down in the locker room. I don't think anybody hates Aaron Rodgers, which people thought they might when he returned to this football team. Matthew, you've been in enough locker rooms. I haven't spent as much time in locker rooms, but I've worked with plenty of former athletes as my co-hosts

and everything else. They don't get – when it's drama between the front office and the organization, they don't really get involved in that or offended by that. They know it's not about me. This is an issue with Aaron and our employer. And we've all worked with people who had issues with our employer. And we don't we don't get offended or upset by that either or take it personally. So I don't think anybody from the coaching staff to anybody on that roster has any issues or animosity with Aaron Rodgers.

And so, no, I don't think it's affected them. And I don't even know if I don't even know if Aaron Rodgers is still upset when he was on Pat McAfee yesterday. He was talking about the fact that before the game, he was anticipating running off Soldier Field and sort of having a feeling like it might be the last time that he does so. sort of having a feeling like it it might be the last time that he does so but in the moment when when he did run off soldier field after telling bears fans and the organization in the city of chicago that he owns them he said it it didn't feel like his his last time running off of soldier

field and he said it wasn't going off anything any any discussions that have been had or any anything that's changed with this situation but enerically, it didn't feel like his last time running off of the soldier field. So take that for whatever you want to take it for. Aaron Rodgers has found a very spiritual, very transcendent side of himself and his personality since getting engaged to Shailene Woodley. And I respect that and i and i appreciate that but i don't i don't know what it means that energetically it didn't feel like his last time running off soldier field but i guess it means something i mean it has to mean something important question for you as someone yourself with long hair yes uh what do you make of his hair because it just feels like he's a henchman in a movie, you know, or something like it just doesn't.

I don't think it works at all. What's going on with his hair right now? He's actually he said he's doing it. This was a I don't mean just recant what I heard him say on the Pat McAfee show. But that's that's half my life. He said it was for a Halloween costume. He wasn't giving up what it was, but said he's been growing his hair for a year for a Halloween costume. And I don't know what it is. He won't give it up. We've been guessing. We've been trying to figure out what it might be. The most popular guess,

because he showed up last year with the Big Lebowski sweater, the actual sweater that the Big Lebowski wears throughout that movie. A lot of people thinking that it's the Big Lebowski, but I think that's too obvious. I don't know what Lebowski, but I think that's too obvious. I don't know. I don't know what it is,

but I think Lebowski is too obvious. I don't know if you have any guesses. Hmm. I mean, I don't, but I do know this, that when Aaron Rogers in his commercial holds the guitar, Aaron Rogers clearly does not know his way around a six string. So I'm going to say he plays guitar.

It just doesn't look like it at all. Are you sure? Cause I saw a video of people claiming he plays guitar and it sounded like just a child waxing on strings. I'm not saying he's good. Okay. But he plays guitar. He does play guitar.

All right. Because the commercial, he just looks like he's never touched one before. Sorry, we're not all dynamos like Matthew Collar on the sixth string, dude. Don't take out your guitar and start playing. Look, I was going to say, I am. collar on on the sixth string dude don't don't take out your guitar and start playing look i was gonna say i am uh but you think i wrote bi-week bonanza but yeah i don't know i mean maybe leave that in the comments of this podcast what do you think aaron rogers is trying to be for halloween but um okay i i didn't know that it was a gag. That makes it better.

A little more sense, yeah. It's really not particularly great. Okay, so this team on the whole, though. Before we move on from that, I'm sorry. This just occurred to me. You're a Seinfeld guy, right? You watch Seinfeld. You remember the episode where Kramer had those shady friends?

They were sort of recurring characters in the show. They were stealing catalytic converters. The two guys who they hired to help take the Frogger out of the pizzeria for George. People said that Aaron Rodgers looked like the guy with the goatee and the long hair who was stealing catalytic converters. I thought that was hilarious. I mean, first, that's an incredible pull. I mean, that's a deep cut. But also, to your point, you're right. Like, it's probably not going to be something super obvious. Right. This is that he's been doing that for a long time. Well, the NFL has drama around every corner, doesn't it? But on the whole, though, Packers, I mean, injuries aside, offensive ups and downs aside, as long as he is their quarterback, they're the favorite for the NFC North.

For sure. You always think, well, with the Vikings, they'll just play close games and however it goes, it goes. Usually they split. You know, we'll see how that plays out later in the season. But I look at them as a team that should still win like 12 or 13 games. And it's them and everybody else until anyone shows me otherwise in Chicago or Minnesota yeah I 100% agree I said that before the season started and I've seen nothing to to change my mind I you know I'm a I'm a Bears fan I'm not I'm not shy about that and I was asked

by one of my co-workers Bart Winkler who hosts our morning show on the fan here in Milwaukee. He said, I feel like they're starting something in Chicago. Like they're not a threat yet to the Packers, but he loves Justin Fields and this defense looks good. He said, it seems like they're taking the first step and starting something. And I told him, I see what he sees, except that I can't feel like they're starting

something and taking a first step until Matt Nagy is no longer the head coach of this football team. I feel similarly, but not as strongly with Mike Zimmer and sort of the way that the style of football that they play, like you said, to me, it is similar to what the Bears do, even though you have an offensive minded head coach in Nagy and a defensive minded head coach in Zimmer. They kind of play that grind it out, keep it close and hope we can pull it out in the end type of football. And I don't think that's a consistently winning brand of football in this league. I think this is a league where you have to actively always be trying to find ways to be a dynamic offense and put points on the board and take every chance and every opportunity that

you can get to put points on the board. And it just doesn't feel like those two football teams do that. It's more about let's try and control the game and the pace of the game and stay close and hope we can pull it out in the end. And Aaron Rodgers is like, all right, try that. And I'm just going to throw bombs over your faces and score 100 points and win football games. And that formula has worked for him. And as you stated at the beginning of this, we don't need to bring up the Lions.

I'll just address the Bears and the Vikings. 2024 is your year, Detroit. Got a chance, just not today um okay so let's talk about the bears then um now i was very excited by justin fields coming out of the draft i mean just a dynamic talent incredible runner, huge arm, very accurate, but you're never going to simulate NFL with whatever is happening in Ohio state. It's just like your fourth receiver is probably a five-star recruit. And that's just not the case in the NFL. You usually get one good guy and the offensive line isn't great. And you know, the coach is not great and so just

justin fields is asked to drop in and overcome that um how have you felt like he has dealt with the things that he's forced to overcome in chicago it's it's a lot to overcome i mean you just you just laid it all out right there i think he actually does has does have some decent weapons to work with. You look at his wide receivers, Allen Robinson and Darnell Mooney. They've put a lot into trying to find a tight end for this football team. And I don't think they have one dynamic tight end, but they have a couple of good ones in Jesse James and Cole Komet. And they brought back Jimmy Graham. He's been fighting some injuries. I think that's a good unit between those three guys.

I really like what they have going at running back. The offensive line is kind of a mess. It's gotten a little bit better as the season has gone along. But the main thing working against Justin Fields is Matt Nagy and really the Bears as an organization. It's not a coincidence, Matthew, that they haven't had a quarterback really to speak of my entire lifetime because it takes – people think quarterbacks just fall off of trees.

You know what I mean? That great quarterbacks were just destined to be great quarterbacks from the time that they stepped into the league. And I know you know that that's not the case, that it takes a certain culture, a certain environment, the right coach, the right system, the right players around him for a guy to be put in position to succeed and flourish and be that guy that can carry a franchise.

And I don't think we'll ever see the best of Justin Fields as long as Matt Nagy is his head coach. And we may never see it because the Bears might do with Justin Fields what they've done with plenty of quarterbacks along the way and maybe none better prospects or better raw you know balls of clay to mold than Justin Fields but the Bears break quarterbacks the Bears break quarterbacks that Jay Cutler was better or could have been better than what he ever was in the Bears uniform hell I'll even go so far as to say Mitch Trubisky could have been better than what he ever was in a Bears uniform. Hell, I'll even go so far as to say Mitch Trubisky could have been better

than anything that we ever saw in a Bears uniform. They were just never really given the chance to be the best quarterback that they could be, and that's my fear with Justin Fields. He's shown flashes, and certainly when there are big plays that need to be made late in the game, he makes those throws. And even in that Packers game, he made a few throws be made late in the game he makes those throws and even in that Packers game he made a few throws to to keep him in the game but the consistency just isn't there with him and I think that's a product of coaching and not really being in a great position to

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and bootlegs with him as if it had just struck them by lightning out of nowhere like really oh the whole league is doing this successfully with quarterbacks that aren't that good maybe we should try it uh and then so it works and it works for a guy who's not any good who goes gets a three million dollar contract and then they go away from it and they're like ah yes back to the offense that never worked yeah i mean, that, that to me is such an indictment on coaching right there of you found something that was a good strategy, but because it wasn't your scheme, because that's more of a Kubiak and a Shanahan style, you said, no, no, no, we're going to go back to the shotgun stuff. And he's going to have to stand back there and do everything. And here's what I got. I got a little sort of theory on this for what you were just saying, because I agree with you that there are so many more human beings who are good at playing quarterback

in this universe that coaching gets put under the microscope. I think more than anything that it has before, because I think like take John Elway in the eighties, who the hell looks like that, right? I mean, just nobody nobody there's like three dudes there's like you know elway and nobody else had that type of physical talent and he just dominates even if his scheme was stupid and then you saw later in his career that the scheme was stupid but it didn't matter he was taking them super bowls i think if your scheme doesn't fit now and the supporting cast is not built to truly support um even really talented quarterbacks

and you know you can see this with mahomes not being perfect with his defense not not doing everything for him and i don't think andy reed is adapted and they don't have the receivers they had before in the depth with sammy watkins playing in baltimore i think that even the greatest quarterbacks can be victimized by this and it really separates them because the gap between the first quarterback and the 20th quarterback is nowhere near what it was even in the early 2000s. But think about this. When I say that it goes much, however you want to term it, deeper or higher up than Matt Nagy and that it's not a coincidence

or just happenstance that they haven't been able to develop a quarterback my entire life, think about the leash that Matt Nagy has been given and and how and how that that allows for failure to occur time and time again this dude was hired explicitly to get the most out of the quarterback that you just gave up a boatload of assets to move up to the top of the draft to go and get. You brought him in to do that. He refused to do that. Not only did he not do it, he refused to do it

and to run an offense that actually got the most out of that guy. So he got a second quarterback in Nick Foles, who he said is the quarterback to run this offense. He knows this offense, and he will come in here and run it efficiently. We saw how that worked. He got a third quarterback, Matthew, and Andy Dalton, and that didn't work, and now we're putting the future of the franchise and another first-round pick.

You gave up a boatload of assets to move up in the first round to go and get. We're putting that guy in his hands. He's getting a fourth quarterback. You know the league as well as anybody that I know Matthew tell me a coach that got four quarterbacks to try and get it right and it wasn't because of injury or some freak circumstance that happened it doesn't happen coaches don't get four quarterbacks to fail with that just doesn't happen that's the Bears allowing that to happen and allowing failure

after failure after failure at the most important position in north american sports other than that though everything's fine yeah everything's fine uh it's it's interesting though that they do have a really good defense again and it's i was thinking about this with pittsburgh the other night pittsburgh against seattle pittsburgh is just demolishing fools like early in that game they're you know hitting guys tj watts coming off the edge they just got this you know brutal defensive front i thought like when is the last time the pittsburgh steelers have not had that and not in my lifetime man like every era of steelers football it's like the same way with the Bears. They always rank 30th in points and eighth in defense or whatever or better. And that's where they sit right now.

And so my question to you is, do you believe enough in the developments going forward? And this is where it becomes relevant to the Vikings in the development going forward of fields throughout this season to close the gap between where they are offensively ranked in points and where they are in points against which i think is probably sustainable because there's a lot of talent still on that defense i i don't i don't i i i just don't see this offense get it will get better i mean he is he is a rookie and he's going to get more used to this this league the speed of this league he's going to see things at this level that he didn't see at lower levels, and he'll learn how to read those things and react accordingly.

So there will be some improvement almost just naturally because he's a talented kid, and he does a lot of things well. But as far as the offense as a whole moving forward and growing and evolving and being something better as a unit, at least significantly better, that, like you said, closes that gap. No, I can't see that happening. I have a hard time being optimistic about a Bears offense as long as that dude wearing the headset is wearing the headset. Okay, let me ask you the key bi-week bonanza bi-week bonanza the key question uh and then i have a little bears trivia for you because that's what i do to you yes um but this one is not so much mocking you but maybe a little

um give me the final records of the three teams in the NFC North. And yes, I do mean the three teams in the NFC North. So I picked the Packers to go 14 and three when this, when this season started and so far they're, they're exactly on pace to what I said they would be. I didn't, I didn't have them losing to the saints, but I did have them losing to the 49ers. So they made up for the loss to the saints with that win to the 49ers.

As far as my prediction goes, when we were doing the old win loss, win loss going over the schedule before the season started. So there, I thought they'd be five and one and here they sit at five and one. So I'm going to stick with that 14 and three prediction with the bears. I don't, I don't,

I don't know. Matt Nagy has a way of, and this is really what annoys me about him more than anything. I know I've spent most of this interview expressing my Matt Nagy frustrations, but he has a way, Matthew. He has a knack for being just good enough, having that football team be just good enough that management looks at him and goes, all right one more what we'll

give him we'll give him what we'll give him one more shot at this thing and see if he can get it right so that's probably like a nine and eight season right in this new 17 game world that we live in I think Matt Nagy has the Bears finishing at nine and eight and maybe sort of around the playoff picture because that's what he does. And similarly with the Vikings, I think they probably finished with, with nine, maybe 10 wins. I think they're, they're a better football team than, than what the bears are. So I'll put them at 10 wins and maybe sneaking into one of those wild cards.

Yeah. I think that's totally fair. I, maybe a little too many for the, for green Bay for me. I think there's maybe another loss in there that we go, what happened to Rogers this year? Yeah. That can always happen. Because I think you allow yourself for more variance when you're just more flawed. Right. So you can have one of those bad days, like the chargers, chargers are good, but they're flawed. And so they can have a day where they just lose to the Ravens by a lot.

I feel like the same thing goes for Green Bay. So I think I would go 12 wins for Green Bay. And I agree with you that Chicago and Minnesota, one team is nine and eight. The other team is eight, nine. And I don't know which one. And that leads me to some bi-week bonanza trivia for you, because it might depend on whose kickers make the kicks. And I mean, really like that's the, that's the dangerous game that these two teams play.

And well, why don't we just also say this? I'll give the lions four wins. I think they win four times. Okay. All right. What'd you make? What'd you make of Dan Campbell breaking down and crying at the podium a

couple of weeks ago? You know what I think about that team overall is that when Matt Patricia was the coach, I have never seen a group of more miserable looking people who the minute, like the minute, the minute the Vikings scored, it was like, okay, get on the bus. I just don't want to be here. Yeah. I did not see that against Detroit. I felt like they fought really hard, even though they are just super short on talent. No receivers. Their offensive line was banged up. Frank Ragnar's out.

Their defense fought. They played hard for him. And I think there's value in being terrible, but also having a give-up leap type of of attitude you know what i mean like yeah for sure having having a roster of people who are behind the coach and doing everything they can for him every week even though they're just not capable that in terms of developing your younger players into that type of attitude i think that's important for them um i don't know if he's the long-term coach or not but i think he's the right coach for a team like this. Not someone like say Urban Meyer, for example, right? Like just not the guy for this. And Dan Campbell is a guy who has been in the NFL a long time. Like he knows

how things are done in the NFL. He knows what, you know, players are going to get behind him. And I think showing that you care like that, as to Matt Patricia just being this soulless fool um I I think it's a much better fit for a team that has no shot I have no problem with a man crying you know me Matthew I don't believe in toxic I'm not I'm not a man I'm not a toxic toxically masculine type of dude be in touch with your feelings it's good to let out a good cry every once in a while. I just feel like you can't be both bite your kneecaps off guy and cry at the podium because we lost a football game guy.

You got to pick one or the other. You know what I mean? We saw his introductory press conference. That was not a guy who I thought was going to come to the podium crying because he lost a football game. I didn't see that coming. I feel like you got to pick a side. You're either football-y football guy who wants to bite off kneecaps,

or you're like the more modern Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Collar, Rami Makhlouf type who are in touch with our softer side and our emotions and our thoughts and our feelings, and we'll let that out. I am get angry guy, though. I'm not a sad guy. I am like a punch a door type of person not as much anymore it is a grown-up but like in terms of you know growing up and stuff but um well i think i think this that there are some football people that just run on 10 all the time sure and so every and this is why dan campbell might not last in this position he's right for

now but this man that's going to be hard. If you, if you live in so much, right. Exactly. Um, as the head coach, like even Mike Zimmer can be very emotional and we've seen him just get

worn down by this job at times. It happens to everyone. It's like the presidents who come in with dark hair and leave with gray hair. Um, and don't say anything about other hair of presidents. I'm just going to move right past that, but that's how it used to be. Anyway, but you know what I mean, though?

If you ride the wave like that every week, it can be very tough, and I think Dan Campbell's going to wear himself down. But I'll give them four or five wins because I think they'll keep playing hard. Yeah, four wins. Four wins, four wins. Realistic. Yeah. Now here's the great part for that team is that they've realized Jared

Goff will not elevate you and you need a different quarterback. And that is a huge win for a season. Now here's your trivia. Oh boy. So Kevin Butler was a great kicker for a long time for the Chicago. Kevin Butler, just all time. Great face mask.

I had Morton Anderson on the show the other day, just like kicker's face masks. Great from 80s and 90s. He kicked for the Chicago Bears from 1985 to 1995 and made 332 kicks. I want you to give me the next five guys in terms of Bears field goals made after the Kevin Butler era ended.

So after 95, who are the next five in Chicago Bears kicking history? I know Robbie Gold has got to be on that list, right? He is only nine behind Kevin Butler for 10 years. So Robbie Gold, yes. He was really good for a long time um i am i am literally drawing a blank on thinking of any other bears kickers okay i knew you would completely prepared some hints totally is cairo santos already out there because he's been pretty good i was gonna say so he is he is the current kicker is out there already yes yes okay all right so there there's two he's

actually third all right so i was going to say for him just like a place you'd go on vacation like okay um i don't know if anyone goes to cairo do they is that a place you go i don't know where that is so it's in egypt um big vacation i completely i don't even remember the guy's name who double doinked it i've i've blacked that out he is not on the list that's cody parky cody cody parky that's right okay so this kicker used to turn his whole back to the field goal posts oh paul edinger paul edinger there we go all right okay now this guy who took over in the 90s he has moves like jagger jay jaeger jeff jagger jeff jagger okay moves like jeff jagger all right okay that's a good clue and uh okay this kicker was so bad he would make you want to uh i don't i don't know a shout i don't know what not quite uh like uh get get physically

ill oh puke close another word for it vomit not throw almost there almost throw up more junior high-ish uh yak uh i got nothing dude how about barf barf connor barf i have no idea who that is yeah i have no clue that's the thing about it wow all right do people know kickers like people who don't have encyclopedic memories like a matthew collar do they remember the names of kickers past i don't now i'll tell you i probably would have guessed eddie pinero and chris boniel would have been guesses about those names do sound familiar i can't believe i forgot paul edinger though because he was actually pretty good for a while and had that unique kicking style with his back to the

field goal post i knew it would be a struggle which is why i wanted to give you the hints and we could have fun with them so um, it's been great to catch up. Yes, that's right. Terrible person. Every time I ensure that it's going to be a struggle for you. So, Rami, great to catch up with you. I'm glad that we could do this. And you're doing a great job there in Wisconsin.

I'm not sure people want to look at you anymore from going from Minnesota to Wisconsin, but we will always be friends. So I appreciate you, Matthew. It's my pleasure, dude. And I will do it again soon. When do the Packers and Vikings play? I'll be getting you on that week. A couple of weeks. Yeah. All right. We'll, we'll talk then. I'll be ready. All right. We'll see you. All right, dude. See you, man.