Purple Insider - a Minnesota Vikings and NFL podcast - The Packers trade for Micah Parsons (Part 1)

Episode Date: August 28, 2025

Matthew Coller breaks down the Packers trade for Micah Parsons and Dane Mizutani joins to talk about the Vikings' press conferences with Adam Thielen, Carson Wentz, KOC and Kwesi. The Purple Insider podcast is brought to you by FanDuel.

Hey, everybody. Welcome to another emergency podcast. I don't know how many it's been just in the last seven days alone, but this one is not because of a Minnesota Vikings move. This one is because the NFC North just got rocked. The Green Bay Packers have traded for Micah Parsons. They give up two first-round draft picks and Kenny Clark, defensive tackle for Micah Parsons. And then they sign Micah Parsons to a four-year deal worth $188 million total and $136 million guaranteed. Over the last, I would say, six weeks or so, eight weeks since training camps got started in the NFL. and Micah Parsons was sitting out, and every single time Jerry Jones talked, it sounded crazier, it sounded more diluted, it sounded more like he might not know who Micah Parsons is. And the offers that were leaked out there that Jerry Jones supposedly gave Micah Parsons and then

wanted to negotiate with him away from his agent were not particularly impressive. and Parsons was taking a nap on the sideline and was not practicing and was seemingly growing more and more frustrated as he is one of the truly elite players in the National Football League and the prices that were out there were just not consummate with what he does for his football team in comparison to the other great pass rushers in the NFL and the situation got more weird and it got more tense and as it went along it seemed a little bit like. maybe he could be traded and then yesterday some steam some buzz started to grow that it was possible that Micah Parsons could get traded and a random account on Twitter that sometimes breaks news ended up saying that he was going to go to the Packers and a lot of people laughed at the random account because why would anybody ever believe that the Green Bay Packers who always like to draft and develop, they always like their own guys. They don't go out and spend huge dollars in free agency, not those Packers. Why would they do it? They would be out of their minds

to overpay for Micah Parsons. That's not what they do. That's not the Packer way. And then here around 4 o'clock central, the Green Bay Packers just put a bomb into the NFC North and blew it up by trading for Micah Parsons. This is not a good player that the Green Bay Packers just got. This is a great player. This is one of the five to seven best non-quarterbacks in the entire NFL and the madness of the Dallas Cowboys who could have probably signed Micah Parsons last summer. And even if they couldn't last summer, then they should have done it in February,

March, April, May, June, July. And they didn't do it because Jerry Jones has gotten increasingly crazy, increasingly cheap. And I think nobody in Dallas has any control whatsoever other than Jerry Jones. And they reached this point where the best option for Dallas was to trade him away. And the team that benefits is the Green Bay Packers. And on the Packer side of this, the conversation has been through the entire offseason. In fact, I just interviewed the other night on the show, a national NFL reporter, Matt Verderam from S.I, about the NFC North. And he said that when he left Green Bay, that his biggest takeaway was, Green Bay's got a lot of good players, but not a lot of great players.

So what are they really going to be? Are they just going to be a nine-win team? Are they just going to be a 10-win team? Are they just another average run-of-the-mill kind of squad in the league? unless Jordan Love is absolutely fantastic, which, you know, I think Jordan Love is good, but I don't think that he's good in a way that is elevating you as Josh Allen does or as Patrick Mahomes does. And so the Packers had kind of just become another squad, another team out there that's got a stadium and it's got great history and they got their, you know, their whole thing

that they do. But are they really a contender with the Minnesota Vikings, with the Detroit Lions? And even if a Chicago team should rise up, because, the Packers even fend them off if Caleb Williams is good. I'm not sure that they are totally good enough, but a lot of good players, not a lot of great players. That's what the Packers were until 4 o'clock Central on August 28th when they acquire Micah Parsons. And let's go through these numbers a little bit on Parsons. His four years PFF grades, 89, 91, 92, and 90. Those numbers are out of this world. Quarterback pressures last year in less than 70. 100 snaps had 70 quarterback pressures to tell you how good like a parsons is last year we agree

that jonathan granard was incredible right for the vikings had 80 pressures in 2023 micha parsons had 103 quarterback pressures double digit sacks every single year he can line up in multiple positions this is one of the freakiest scariest scariest players in the national football league and if you're making the old school connection of the Green Bay Packers getting Reggie White and then, you know, they go and win the Super Bowl in 96, this is a Reggie White like bombshell type of move. It is that caliber of player. It is one of the top guys at his position in the NFL. And he isn't even a one-dimensional player. He isn't even a Nick Bosa where, hey, if you can survive Nick Bosa, you're going to be fine. Put him on that side. You're going to be

all right. Him versus whatever. Derisaw, O'Neill, you're going to be okay. Parsons can line up wherever he wants. He can rush up the middle. He can rush to the outside. Heck, looking at his numbers here, they've occasionally had him drop back in coverage. In fact, when he was a rookie, he dropped back in coverage 284 times and was good in coverage. This is one of the best players in the NFL that the Green Bay Packers have just acquired. And everything is different now with Green Bay's defense with Parsons, because when you go through it before, now the only silver lining for the Vikings, and we will talk about this, how it connects to a Vikings Packers matchup, the only silver lining is that Kenny Clark has just demolished the Vikings over the last

eight years or so. I feel like every game that we've ever gone into Vikings Packers since Kenny Clark's been around, we have had this discussion of how are they going to stop Kenny Clark? and then, ironically, the Vikings go out and sign a center who can finally take on Kenny Clark and they trade him to the Dallas Cowboys. But as far as where Michael Parsons fits into this defense, the Packers already have a quality pass rusher. I would not call him elite. I would call Rashan Gary quality.

He's had good years. Last year was not as effective. Their interior does take a pretty big hit with Kenny Clark. Why, it has not quite lived up to his expectations. The other guys are just sort of dudes there. We're not talking about exceptional players. Clearly, Lucas Van Ness, they did not think was taking another step forward. But Micah Parsons is not the only player that I think is pretty scary on this front seven.

Edron Cooper last year gave the Vikings fits and was a real rising player for Green Bay. created pressure, head quickness, some natural pass rushing skills. So now you have Gary Cooper, Quay Walker has never really impressed me. They've got some guys that they invested draft picks there that have not been great, but are still very talented. But when you have now at least three guys who are top notch at what they do, one of them is one of the three best in the league, and then other guys who are talented, that is a lot to handle.

the only silver lining for the Vikings here other than Kenny Clark not having to play well he'll still play the Vikings because the Dallas Cowboys are on the schedule so that's a silver lining is you were going to play Micah Parsons anyway but now you have to play him twice twice but you were going to have to game plan for him at some point for this year and now you've got to play him over at least the next four years twice a year not ideal for the Vikings it does help as far as the long term for the Green Bay Packers goes, that they did give up two first round draft picks in this deal. And they just gave Micah Parsons an incredible amount of money, which he deserves based on his resume. And all Dallas had to do was just give it to him. And he would not be in the NFC North. But this is maybe a better comparison is when Khalil Mack came to the NFC North. And suddenly the Chicago Bears defense took itself to a completely different level. And the Bears went from a team where the Vikings were kind of like,

okay, whatever bears, you're just kind of bumbling around in the dark to, oh, Khalil Mack has the capability of sacking you four times or creating 10 pressures in a game. And Mack did that on a couple of occasions versus the Vikings. Well, now you're facing a guy who can do the same thing in Micah Parsons, who is the complete package, size, speed, versatility, everything that is a dream pass rusher, probably the closest, I don't want to go so far over the top, but maybe the closest in skill set to a Lawrence Taylor that we've seen

or a Derek Thomas in a really long time. Like he has that resume and he has those numbers to back that up and he is very much in his prime. So he fits into a Green Bay Packers defense that was already pretty, pretty darn solid. Let me take a look at where they ranked last year because they were good last year, but just not great,

which is kind of the story of the Packers until today as they acquire Micah Parsons. Now, the other part of it, if you're looking for places to kind of hope and dream, that would just be that the secondary of Green Bay still has its issues. Yeah, they were sixth in the NFL and defense last year, my friends. They were already sixth in the,

NFL in defense last year. And now they gain Micah Parsons. He of a 90 PFF grade every year of his career plays 800 to 900 snaps regularly. Even in a year where he was banged up, he played nearly 700 snaps. He is 26 years old, dead in the middle of his prime. And now he is going to wreak havoc on the Vikings for years to come. As far as their long-term team building, though, that would be where if you're trying to say, hey now, hey now, not so fast, Lee Corso, shout out, not so fast.

It would probably be in the fact that they have already paid a quarterback, a lot of money, and now they're paying quarterback money to Micah Parsons. So as they go forward, can you continue to do that and keep the younger players that you've developed? We heard so much about how the Green Bay Packers were the youngest team in the league. They've got all these players on the rise. Well, that was two years ago that we were hearing that, which means that now we're getting to the point where those players are going to need contracts themselves.

So as we look toward the two year, the three year type of future from this with Micah Parsons, well, Dallas kind of ran into this with Parsons, Dak, Prescott, and C.D. Lamb, where they had to pay all of their stars, and eventually that's all they had left. They didn't draft particularly well, and now the Packers are giving up two first-round draft picks for Micah Parsons. In the three-year type of window for this, it may not be the best for them adding other talent. They're going to have to have their younger players that they've drafted, their Matthew Goldens and so forth, really step up for them to still be one of the best teams in the league

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who will determine if a prescription is appropriate. Restrictions apply. See the website for full details and important safety information. Because as we were going through it, I like to ask every guest, you comes on so how do you got the north playing out where do you think that things are going to land and a lot of the guests have said well detroit is still top dog and the vikings are right there or some folks have taken the vikings and then detroit i don't think i've talked to a single person who has taken the packers at the top of the division all all off season long in all the

interviews that i've done and all the guests that i've asked about the nfc north i think that if i ask those guests again, that might change. Now, it's still, they're going to live or die on Jordan Love's arm. And it's going to still matter a lot what Matthew Golden can do for them. Can their offensive line hold up? Do they have enough weapons? Can Josh Jacobs repeat what he did last year, et cetera, et cetera. But I think we know that Matt LaFleur is a pretty good coach.

And the way I was looking at their defense was, well, they're worse in the secondary than they were last year, or at least the same. at least the same and vulnerable in the secondary and good on the defensive line but not terrifying. And their defensive coordinator is way better than he was a couple of years ago when it was Joe Barry. Jeff Halfley has become a very good defensive coordinator, which should also be really concerning. So there's probably a part of you, Vikings fans, who is looking, hit this happen and saying, really? Why us? Right? I mean, if you think about, go back to 2022, Because of the Adam Thielen acquisition, we've been talking a lot about the last time he was a Viking and 2022 in that season and so forth.

And the Packers were down or they were mid or, wait, was that 22? Yeah, it was 22, right? Where the Packers are kind of mid and the Bears aren't that good and the Lions are kind of just getting a little bit better, but they're kind of tanking. And, you know, the Vikings who had a decent roster that year, they were able to win 13 games in part because the division was so much. mid but from that moment they are all three of those teams are on the rise even as as Chicago we should all be thinking of Chicago is like you got to show us first but you've got to admit Chicago's a lot better than they were roster wise in 2022 where they were tanking and trying to get the top draft pick that they could so they're a lot better they've

improved the lions are still a top notch roster I think that they've got some short Cummings and the team that you kind of felt the most confident about who they were and how mid they were was the Green Bay Packers until today, that you felt like the Packers are just an okay team. I know where they settle in to this entire equation and we'll see on Chicago, we'll see on J.J. McCarthy, we'll see on Detroit and their rebuilt offensive line and their new coordinators and those questions will be answered, but I know what Green Bay is. now green bay ceiling just went up because if they were sixth in the NFL and defense last year

they've got and I know some of that's boosted by the NFC South same with the Vikings or I'm sorry AFC South same with the Vikings so the schedules will be harder for everybody but I think that the Packers probably realized that they've got a pretty good team and if they're going to compete with the rest of the North they've got to go all in they've got to go big and I think that this is for the Packers, the best thing that they could do for themselves. Jordan Love is not young. You're not, I mean, he's young-ish, but he's not super young. You've got young players who are eventually going to need to get paid.

You just drafted a wide receiver that apparently, according to their camp reports, has been very impressive. And they felt like this is time to go win and time to make this all-in type of move and not think toward the three-year future, the four-year future, as much as go get this superstar right now and try to win. And then we'll deal with the cap implications as we go forward. And they've got to find out, too, what their ceiling is with Jordan Love. If they have a great defense and a megastar pass rusher, can they really win?

Or would it still be kind of pinned on, you know, Jordan Love? I think it also shows you that they felt like Jordan Love is just good, but he's not far and he's not Rogers. and they have to change their philosophy as a franchise now with the way that they handle free agency, the way that they handle trade, they can't just sit around and wait for the quarterback to make stars of everybody because that's not what Jordan loves going to do. So this race, so that's from the bigger picture of the Green Bay Packers is they just kind of arrived at the last moment before the season and said, don't forget about us.

We are here, Green Bay Packers, very much in this race. with the Vikings and the lions, and then, you know, the bears are going to have to prove it. But we're right here with the Vikings and Lions. And if we do a just ever so quick kind of snapshot comparison, who's better, I don't have the answer of who's better, the Lions, the Vikings, or the Packers. Because I think that all three fan bases could make a really good case for it.

If the Lions are still saying, hey, we stacked up our defense, don't forget about that. and we've still got all these weapons. We still got Jemir Gibbs. We still got St. Brown, still got the most proven quarterback here. Okay, that's a good argument. For the Vikings, top to bottom roster-wise, even just Adam Athelan getting added here,

sprinkles a little extra on top of talent, top to bottom. One of the strongest rosters you're going to find most complete. If we're talking about the number four corner is the thing we're most concerned about, you got a pretty darn good roster. So good in the defensive line that they can move on from Harrison Phillips, right? I mean, there's a lot there for this Vikings roster and a lot of star talent at the right positions, left tackle, wide receiver, the backfield revamped. And now the Packers, their argument is different because I think the best case against the Packers was just

your receivers are okay, your quarterback's okay, your line's okay, your backfield's pretty darn good, your D-line's okay, your linebackers are pretty good, and your secondary, is okay. Xavier McKinney's really good. Now what the Packers can say is all those things are still true about the offense unless Matthew Golden's really good. But you can't say, oh, your front seven's okay. Now your front seven's scary. And with Kenny Clark, as much as we have talked about Clark, as if he is this larger than life, terrifying figure to the Minnesota Vikings who comes in and Hulk smashes them every year, because that has been true. It hasn't been as true over the last year or two.

Kenny Clark has declined, which is probably why the Packers were willing to move on from him. So it changes the dynamic of where you would rank the Packers, what their defense looks like, and how scary they are to the Minnesota Vikings. From a Vikings perspective, though, where we have to give the Vikings credit for this last offseason is they did not go into the offseason saying, you know what we should do we should be cheap at the guard position and this really matters with someone like micha parsons because he doesn't just line up on the outside and rush off the edge every time he is a much more dynamic rusher than that and i can take a look at uh his snap counts

and snaps by position but over his career he has been a more dynamic player where he can line up in a lot of different spots uh looking at last year yeah looking at last year he split his snaps on the right and the left side, not quite evenly, but close and also took snaps from the box. I think that Zimmer was a little more static than he was before under Dan Quinn. I think Quinn liked to move him around a little bit more. That's right. So Quinn moved him around. He took over 100 snaps from a linebacker position and then split left and right edge and even lined up under Dan Quinn 36 times at middle linebacker. And Jeff Halfley is kind you know, I would say Brian Flores inspired at times because, you know, he likes to do stuff like

that. He likes to move guys around. And he likes to have his edge rushers inside or his rushers to the outside, guys rushing from different spots, stunts, twists, blitz, confusion. And it's actually funny because earlier this offseason, Josh Mattelis tweeted a clip of something the Packers did against the Vikings last year and said, I wonder where he got that idea. you know, insinuating that it had been stolen from Brian Flores. So this is a creative defensive coordinator. So it has to be a group effort from the Minnesota Vikings to stop Micah Parsons alone. It can no longer just be, hey, Derisaw versus Rishon Gary or O'Neill versus Rishon Gary,

that's probably fine. Or their interior, if it was this year, you would have said they can handle Kenny Clark. In the past, they had trouble with their. that. Edger and Cooper being quick off the edge, your tackles can handle it. The blitzes, Aaron Jones in the backfield, pretty good at picking those apart. You're going to be okay. It's different now when two guys have to be dedicated at all times, if not more, to Micah Parsons, alone. And the Vikings should be thanking their lucky stars that they went into the offseason and said, yeah, it's not going to be Dakota Dozier. It's not going to be like Brandel. It's not going to be

Drew Samia. It's not going to be Oli Udo. It's not going to be Ezra Cleveland. It's going to be a $17 million right guard who has been in the NFL for several years. It's going to be one of the most experienced centers in the NFL and one of the best at picking apart defenses and figuring out where the pressure is coming from. And it's going to be a first round left guard. And getting Darisaw back to 100% by the time they face the Packers is going to be huge as well. The last. The last Last time the Vikings played against the Cowboys, Derisaw got hurt early. And then that was 2022.

And Parsons just went completely nuts in that game because he was facing Blake Brandel. That was, let's see. He, oh, wow. He ended up with nine quarterback pressures in that game against the Vikings in 2022. The last time he faced them, that was not even his highest that year. His highest was 12 that year. This is a guy he had 10.

had two double-digit pressure games last year. Yeah, yeah, folks, this is a, this is a conference shifting, division shifting type of move. There are very few players in the NFL that are not quarterbacks that I would say, wow, this just changed everything. This just changed everything. And as far as the Vikings go, I'm seeing a lot of you kind of, you know, a little indignant on this. And I think you should be because the Vikings are good enough.

to compete and you expect other teams to have great players and you're going to have to face Hutchinson and you've built your team to face these guys. And I saw someone in the comments say, hey, this is how the rest of the North feels about the Vikings having Justin Jefferson. And I agree with that. And if you are a true Super Bowl contender, then one player doesn't make you think, oh my gosh, our season is over. We'll never compete with the Green Bay Packers. But it did just change a lot in terms of their strength in this race. And it makes me think that there are going to be three teams in the playoffs. And, you know, when you talk about it should be fine, I mean, Derasaw doesn't need help.

I think you guys are talking about facing other guys. If you're talking about going against the Rishon Gary, who's pretty good, okay, that's fine. If you're talking about going up against a Montes sweat, who's pretty good for Brian O'Neill, totally fine. This is not them. this is not those guys. This is a guy that no matter who is playing left tackle, you do not set it and forget it against Micah Parsons. The numbers that Parsons has racked up are some of the best ever in the PFF era in terms of pressure,

some of the best ever in terms of sacks from the edge position. I mean, if we go back to 2023 with Micah Parsons, because he was banged up last year, still had a great season, by the way. But if we go back to 2023, I mean, he would have an argument in that NFL 100 for being the best player in the entire NFL. So we're talking about something completely different here. And that's why it's so important that the Vikings were able to sign Will Fries and they were able to draft Donovan Jackson to have at least the talent to have a chance.

So in 2023, Micah Parsons led the entire NFL in quarterback pressures with 103. and as far as starters, he was second in PFF grade in 2023 to Miles Garrett for PFF grade in terms of outside linebackers or edge rushers, defensive ends, etc. And even last year, call it a down year for Micah Parsons, he still finished fifth in pressures last year with double-digit sacks and only played 694 snaps.

So he only finished 10. pressures behind Jonathan Grenard, despite playing 200 fewer snaps. And he's still graded by PFF as their fifth best rusher. The other guys, Miles Garrett, T.J. Watt, Nick Bosa, surprisingly, Khalil Mack still bringing it. And then Micah Parsons. This group of defenses that they're going to face is absolutely packed with, you're right, get it, packed with great edge rushing talent that a Christian,

Derrissau has to be at 100%. This line has to be healthy. They've got to be on point with their past protection. And J.J. McCarthy has to get rid of the football. This right here, I think, I really don't feel that there's any way as the Vikings fans and the comments and all that, there's no way to be like, this is fine. It's not. It's not fine.

To have to not only play him this year in a year where the Vikings have stacked their team as much as they possibly could, but also into the future, his prime is going to last him for the entirety of this contract and probably beyond. So that is not a great day for the Minnesota Vikings. You know, Jason saying, let's not minimize Parsons. He's a freak. Oh, yeah, I agree. I agree. And if the Vikings had made the trade for Parsons, you guys would be losing your minds and call for a Super Bowl. So, but if you're going to be mad at anybody, It is definitely to be mad at the Dallas Cowboys. And that's where I just, that's where I'm in disbelief.

I am in disbelief. Does Jerry Jones, he might think this. Jerry Jones might think that this is like the Hershal Walker trade. Because that's where he's at right now. I mean, Jerry Jones over the years has been one of the wackiest owners that there is. And I've always had the theory that the Dallas Cowboys. since the 90s have choked away so many great teams and great opportunities because their owner is a whack job.

And those teams, the Tony Romo teams, some of them were really, really good. And Dak Prescott's been on some really, really good teams. And they can never get over the top. And the quarterback always gets blamed. But I think a big part of it is the circus that is created by the crazed old owner. And he's been crazed forever. there's this Netflix document is it Netflix sorry if it's some other streaming service there's this documentary out and I haven't had a chance to watch it because of all these emergency podcasts

but I want to I want to sit down and watch it because I love anything 90s football and I'm always you know interested in just that era but some of the clips that I've seen and Jerry Jones more or less was responsible for that thing being torn apart with Jerry or with Jimmy Johnson And that relationship, because Jerry felt like Jimmy Johnson was getting too big and the ego and all that sort of thing. And it hasn't changed a lot. He's just older and crazier. And in this case, they mismanage. And this one is not just about Parsons because so a couple of weeks ago I was having a conversation with a friend in the league.

And I, you know, I was just talking about Parsons. Like, you know, I think Dallas will probably sign them or whatever. And what I think the scuttle butt around the NFL was. was that I don't think that Dallas can actually pay him what he's worth because of the salary cap and the situation there that they'd mismanaged it so badly with the other contracts. Like, they could have signed Dak Prescott to a deal that would have been like $45 million. And they got backed into a corner to the point where they had to sign him to 60.

You have no chance there. They screwed around with CD Lamb for so long. They had to pay him big time money. So they're constant Jerry Jones with this insane theory that if he's always in the news cycle, that's good for the Dallas Cowboys, that he just always needs to be in the news cycle. So he's going to mess around with contracts until the last minute so he can get the most attention for his football team. Well, it worked. He certainly got the most attention. And then did the dumbest thing possible, which was move on from one of the best players in the NFL.

But in his, in his goofy brain, this very well may be the Herschel Walker trade to him. He may be saying, oh, we did this one time way back when, and we got so much draft capital back from the Vikings that we were able to stack up our roster and win those championships and we're going to do it again. It's not the same. You know, two first round draft picks, you know the Packers aren't going to be horrible. So what are these? the 18th pick at best for Dallas, at worst, it's in the 20s or 30s, because this team can now be very good. Now, I will say that, yeah, when it comes to, you know, Jordan Love, that is still going to

determine whether the Green Bay Packers are a Super Bowl-type team or whether they're just a playoff team and they're pretty good. Micah Parsons has been on the Dallas Cowboys. They did not win the Super Bowl. They didn't last year even have a great defense. And they did have a great defense the year before under Dan Quinn, but they did not have a great defense last year. He was on the team.

He had 70 quarterback pressures. One person does not make a franchise a Super Bowl winner on the defensive side. We know that. But I think they already had a pretty solid, a B plus type of roster. So now, all the excuses for Jordan Love are off the table, that the Packers were cheap, that they didn't get enough receivers, which is true, by the way, and that they didn't do enough in free agency. And we actually made fun of them all offseason long.

Wait, your only free agency signing was a big guard who's not that great. Like, that's where you spent your money. As that's, we made fun of them all off season. Like, you're just going to be okay. and let's not even worry too much about you. They certainly change that narrative today, but it will still come down to Jordan Love. Regardless of what,

Micah Parsons can have 100 more pressures, and he can have 20 more sacks, but if Jordan Love is just okay, then the Green Bay Packers will still be just okay. And they will not be a legitimate Super Bowl contender. I think that their ceiling today rise a lot, that they put themselves in the disgust. with the Vikings and the Packers

of having this tremendous roster overall. And if you were doing, if you were doing the Madden, you know, when you're picking to play and it gives you a little overall like rating for the team, it probably would have been like an 86 before.

And maybe the Vikings are 91 and Detroit's 93 and Chicago because everyone loves them is 104. No, Chicago is like an 82. to, that's what they would have been before today. I think it moves up Green Bay in roster strength to being even with the Vikings and the Lions. That's what I think it does today. But it still is going to be determined their success or failure by whether their quarterback takes the next step or not.

But this is one heck of a day for the Green Bay Packers and one heck of a day for Vikings fans to, If you already were annoyed enough by the Dallas Cowboys, then you are going to be even more mad. So let's get to some of your comments. And, you know, most of your comments I know are indignant about this because you're Vikings fans. So let's see if we can be rational about it. And also deep breath.

The Vikings had four different, or five people talk today. And Dane Mizatani and I did a full breakdown. from TCO Performance Center. So I've got that to bring you in hour two of this emergency podcast because why not? I hadn't planned to go live until 7.30, but there was no way I was waiting after this popped up. But, you know, after about another 20 minutes or so,

I will get to that because we heard from Carson Wentz, Adam Thielin, Max Brosmer, Kweziedaflmenza, and Kevin O'Connell. So we've got the full breakdown there. That's in a minute. But I want to get to your reaction. here to Micah Parsons becoming a Green Bay Packer. No one you know said Parsons played how many games last year seems to be hurt a lot. Not really true for his career.

He was banged up a little last year. That's true. Still played 694 snaps, which is around what you get for most edge rushers. The previous three seasons, 902, 917, and 862. So not, not really. I mean, this is it.

this is a superstar in his prime. He has not had injury-prone issues, and at 26, he's going to play a lot of games against the Minnesota Vikings. He certainly will. Skywalking McCarthy says, idiotic by the Packers, they're paying him $47 million and traded Dallas two firsts and Kenny Clark. Well, they got by far the best player who the Dallas Cowboys are never going to get Micah Parsons out of those two first-round draft pitch.

I mean, this is an elite, elite, elite player that they're doing it for. The chances are extremely, extremely low that they would get someone who even ever approaches him. And Kenny Clark is kind of just a guy now after being a great player for a long time. The 47 million is a lot. It certainly is and it approaches where Jordan loves kidding paid. So they're kind of paying an offensive and defensive quarterback. And this is where your assessment, I mean, calling it idiot. I would not call it idiotic.

Not when you could get a player of this caliber. But I would say that there is risk tied to this over the long run. So this year, there's, I mean, they're just a freaky team. And it is, it is scary how much it's like Khalil Mack showing up at the last minute for the Chicago Bears. And then that team was a double doink away from winning in the playoffs. Right? That was the same team, 2018 Bears. They beat the Vikings in the two games.

games there in 2018. Like there's a little, it's a little spooky, right? Because there was so much hype for the 2018 Vikings and then Khalil Mack shows up in the division and all of a sudden takes that team to another level. So it's not idiotic from the perspective that this is a player who could truly make the Green Bay Packers one of the scariest defenses in the entire NFL. And he should based on what they have. And I know that their secondary is not incredible and it has some weaknesses, is, you know, Kishon Nixon, Isaiah, well, Xavier McKinney is really good. Nate Hobbs, Carrington, Valentine, like, these are not guys that scare you. I agree with that.

But you talk about front sevens, they just put themselves right up with the Minnesota Vikings for how good they are. Long term, though, there is risk. Because if you're paying, we talked about it all the time. When you pay Kirk Cousins top dollar, how hard it is to work around one Kirk Cousins. an average, above average starting quarterback, not elite quarterback with some limitations who makes 20% of the cap. That's hard. Now, this is an elite player on the defensive side. This is a top three player, four player at his position on the defensive side. But if a quarterback who's

just okay and makes $50 million can be restrictive alone, well, then adding this to it makes it extra restrictive for them to be able to do more so if they can't win with this group right here in the next couple of years there's nothing else to do there's no way else to add for the packers it's if this doesn't work you've just kind of got nothing because you don't have first round picks and you don't have cap space and you have two superstars but if you don't have anything else or you don't have enough uh or you have too many weaknesses that was what ultimately happened with the Vikings. The Vikings had stars, but they had too many weaknesses. And they, and that's what ultimately got them. If that happens to Green Bay, then you're right.

It, it won't look as good as it looks today. But for this team right here, when you go through their weaknesses, you can make an argument for the corners and you'd be right, although Xavier McKinney is fantastic, but I, I can't find too many weaknesses for the rest of this roster. Maybe their left tackle's not that impressive. Their offensive line's pretty good. Is it a weakness for a receiver? I think they have to prove that. Golden has to prove that. And that could still be it,

but their running game is terrific. Their tight end is good. Hey, Ben Sims, former Viking is still on their roster. But the rest of that, I mean, their front seven is now pretty sick. So for this year,

that is scary right there. T.L. A silver lining is that Detroit and Chicago also have to contend with Parsons. I agree with that. And also, it's probably, were going to give Parsons to somebody in the NFC North that wasn't the Vikings,

I mean, maybe you would have picked the Packers because we still, I think, feel like a lot of the roster is good and not great, and then you add some greatness to it. But if he had gone to Detroit, that's a totally different story. Then you're talking about one of the best rosters or if he had gone to Chicago where they're still going to have the rookie contract advantage with Caleb Williams for a couple more years. Maybe that's worse. KFT says if McCarthy's good, I think Love is the third best quarterback in the division. Well, that's certainly possible. And Love is the one that is going to really determine how this goes. At the end of the day, Jordan Love has to be a top 10 quarterback

for the Packers to win, Micah Parsons or not. But when they were already a good defense, and now they add this, the bar for Jordan Love just changed. Instead of the bar for Jordan love of being, well, you better be an elite quarterback because that defense just looks okay and pretty unimpressive. They don't have a single pass rusher that you go into the game and you go, oh man, Miles Garrett, oh man, Nick Bosa here, right? T.J. Watt, like, they didn't have that. Roshan Gary's just pretty good. They didn't have that. Lucas Van Ness has never really become anything. Quay Walker has never really become a next level player. Now they do. Now they have the guy that you have to be terrified of every time you go into a game and a son of beavers

brings up a great point says i need derisaw and o'neill to stay really healthy and that i completely agree with that uh yes he is that those two guys have to be healthy when they face the green bay packers because just in school or walter rouse cannot be playing left tackle when you're facing micha parsons or you are in a ton of trouble The Vikings have gone up against these guys. It's not like it's the first time ever. They have faced the Aden Hutchinson's. They've faced Miles Garrett.

They're going to face T.J. Watt this year. They're going to face Trey Hendrickson this year, who always gets left out of that conversation. But to face them twice, so they, you know, they were already going to have to go against Michael Parsons, but to face him twice and then have to do it for the next four years that if they do hit on some draft picks from the last couple years, if they do develop, if Jordan Love does play well, then, you know, Green Bay is going to have an argument to be right up there to maybe take over for Detroit as having the best roster because they're going to have one of the best players. That's how much this shifts everything.

Nathan says, well, Parsons stats still be good now that he's playing in a far better division. Is it a far better division than what he's played in? I mean, he's played in the NFC East. So, yeah, I mean, the Giants have been down. Washington's been down at times, but you have the Eagles in that division. I mean, I think that Micah Parsons, with these numbers, that is not driven by division. It's not driven by luck or circumstance. Just looking, I mean, he had two sacks and five pressures against the Eagles last year and a 90.5 PFF grade.

I mean, this guy can play against pretty much anybody. I don't think that it's so much just driven by while he's played with some bad teams in his division and that's been helpful for him because it's been so consistent. And divisions, they go up and down, sometimes stronger or weaker than others. And every single year he's been good. This is not the type of player who is pushed ahead by circumstance or luck or anything like that. Oh, you know, he's had the easy, you know, easy tackles to go against or something. I don't think you could say that about a player like this.

This would be like the equivalent of a baseball hitter hitting 350 and then being like, well, and everyone loves home runs. 350 with 47 home runs. You'd be like, I don't know, man, they played the Blue Jays a bunch of times. Like, it's not like that. You don't put up numbers like that unless you are really, really good. KFT, Green Bay has a solid defense. Their fans will be even more crazy.

a lot of number 11 sold today. Oh, yeah, if you had had enough of Green Bay Packers, they were actually quiet. I thought this year the Packers fans were pretty quiet looking around the NFC North. But now it's going to be a little bit different. Alex says Donovan Jackson will eat Parsons like pancakes for breakfast. Well, you certainly hope so if you're the Vikings. But what they're going to need is everybody healthy and everybody on point.

Because there are questions. But the Vikings, to their luck here, they don't play Green Bay week one or two, where Christian Derisaw is just coming back. Now, Parsons lines up on both sides. So, you know, they're going to have to be healthy when they face him. But also Donovan Jackson doesn't have to face and he will rush up the middle. He doesn't have to face Micah Parsons and whatever crazy stunts and things like that right off the bat. It's actually the first two weeks are probably as well designed for.

a rookie to get into the mix as you ever could have asked for of all right you're going to face Chicago and then Atlanta I think those are two of the most mediocre pass rush of all right you're going to go and those are surpassed so you've got time and then with Cincinnati it's still bad defense but you're going to have to see tray hendrickson with that team for this year then it starts to get crazy then it starts to get t j watt then it starts to get miles garrett and the philadelphia eagles are on the way the lions are on the way. The Chargers have a good pass rush. I mean, it's, it, there's this offensive line. It needed to be way better. And now, uh, it is, but it's going to be tested. So when we, when we look at

those PFF grades and where the Vikings offensive line ranks with the schedule they have. And if Parsons is, you know, if he's 100% and he's playing for the Packers and you face them twice last game of the year, uh, you know who it actually reminds me of is it reminds me of when Zadarius Smith was at his absolute best there. He used to line up in the middle. He'd line up on the outside and he gave the Vikings hell when he was at his best.

It's kind of the same way now with Micah Parsons there. Nathan says was no one in the AFC offering anything good. You know, that is, that's a great point, Nathan. And I just have been so like, what just happened

that I didn't even think of that? Why the heck would you send him to a team in the NFC that you might face in the playoffs. We almost never see that, although, you know, I guess the Kansas City traded Tyreek Hill to the Miami Dolphins, but maybe they thought Tyreek was kind of a ticking time bomb in Miami. Maybe it's like that where Tyreek instantly took Miami to a different level. Now, they didn't, you know, win a Super Bowl,

but it changed Miami quite a bit when Tyreek Hill got there. and that was a little bit surprising when it happened that they would move him within the conference. I, I have 100% with you. Was there nobody in the AFC that would give up a couple of first? You would think that the AFC teams that are, I mean, the Buffalo, right? I don't know what Buffalo's cap situation is. They've paid their quarterback. A team like that, can they give up a couple of draft picks to get somebody like this?

Their next Bruce Smith? I mean, I would have thought so. or, I mean, gosh, there's a lot of teams that just need more players to compete with the great quarterbacks of the AFC. None of them. And it even surprises me more. So some of you have said, hey, you know, give Ricky his credit. You're right. That random account named Ricky has had a number of scoops and credit to whomever that is has been ahead of a lot of people on things like that. but you know the one thing that got brought up when the initial rumor was thrown out there by this account was which has been wrong at times by the way and that's why I think a lot of

people are a little bit dicey like this was the same account that said that J.J. McCarthy was going to sit out training camp or something last year so it's not perfect but it's I mean this is the world we live in right like a random Twitter account from someone named Ricky is ahead of the game on the Micah Parsons trade, but one of the biggest pushbacks when this rumor account put it out there was, wait a minute, is Jerry Jones going to give Micah Parsons to the team that embarrassed the heck out of him in the playoffs two years ago? Why would he do that? Why would he help that team that totally embarrassed him? And yeah, I think that it's, that makes it extra surprising that he would be willing to give him to an NFC team.

And that's why I say that in Jerry's mind, he probably thinks this is Herschel Walker. TRZ-O-3, watched the tape of Philadelphia and Dallas from last year. There is a way to contain him and keep him out of the backfield. So in those games you're talking about, I mean, one of them, he still had two sacks and five pressures. Now, at the end of the year, Week 17 might be the game you're talking about. He only had three pressures against Philadelphia.

I'm not saying it's impossible. No person is impossible to stop. Maybe Lawrence Taylor was the only one. But the accumulation of this guy's career, I don't think there's, you know, in basketball, you know, somebody emerges on the scene. And then you're like,

they can't score when dribbling to their left. And then so every team is like, we're going to force them left. And then all of a sudden, Jeremy Lynn's not a great player anymore. I don't think there's some simple answer to stopping Micah Parsons. Now, also you mentioned Philadelphia.

and Philadelphia last year, I had one of the best offensive lines that anybody has ever had. So, you know, I don't know that there's just one way of stopping Micah Parsons or any way to really stop Micah Parsons overall. Skywalking McCarthy, when you tie up that money

and then have to extend Jordan Love, I don't know how you fill a competent roster. Well, they have one right now. I don't know how you keep it over four years. Now that, that's reasonable. That's a reasonable critique. I think is in the short term in the here and now, I mean, wow, this is really good for them. And they have a very, not now the overall roster.

That's what I was saying about the Madden rating. The overall roster goes from an 86 to a 92 on one player because he's that good. And a player that's that good makes everybody else better because you have to double team him all the time. See Justin Jefferson. It's the defensive version of that that you have to put so much into stopping that. player that the Roshan Gary now doesn't get the double team. The, you know, the Devante Wyatt or the, the Edgeron Cooper, like these guys, they don't get any more the double teams that they might have gotten before.

So it is very helpful to the rest of their players. But over a couple of years, that might be the case that Jordan Love becomes increasingly expensive. And if you don't win this year, then the cap hits go up and it gets more chance. challenging, and we have seen that. Nick says love is way better than Trubisky was. Packer are much scarier. Well, that 2018 team, actually, I mean, Mitch Trubisky played pretty well.

No, I would agree with you. But that 2018 team, it was pretty legit. I would say it's fairly even, but you're right that love is better. But Chicago was a really good team in 2018 with Khalil Mack. So, DS says two guys taking, up half the Packer's salary cap, Cowboys just dump their problem on the Packers. Well, I guess so. You're right about it from a three or four year perspective. That is, that is true. But when you're talking about dumping your problem as your problem is a guy who gets a hundred pressures a

year and is the most dominant player at his position probably tied with Miles Garrett. That's, that's, that's an interesting problem to dump on someone else. I think, I think I would prefer that problem. I think I would rather have that problem with Micah Parsons if I were the Green Bay Packers. So this is a crazy, crazy day. And probably the, I mean, doesn't it feel like this is the most shuffling that we've seen? Maybe I'm just, you know, overreacting there because of the fact that, you know, it was only a couple years ago that we saw Khalil Mack get traded. And that was absolutely insane. But this feels like the biggest move. that I can remember happening other than that Khalil-Mac trade right before the season

to have that happen is nuts. I mean, somebody asked about his sack total last year, less than 700 snaps and he still had 12 sacks. He's got 52 sacks in four years. I mean, this guy is, this guy is a problem. Sacks per millions isn't good. Okay, well, you know, all right. I mean, I just don't think, I think that anybody trying to downplay it,

the reasonable case that you make is their three-year outlook for their salary cap will be tricky if some of their other players need to get paid. I don't think that you have an argument that he's not that good or that he's overpaid or that he's overrated or anything else like that. That to me is, that to me is just like trying to somehow rationalize that this isn't very bad for the NFC North. That's kind of the way that I look at is when you have to, when the only thing that you got on this is,

but what about their future salary cap? I don't know. I mean, that seems, it seems like it's a pretty bad day for every other NFC North team. And when it comes to how much, we don't know that the exact salary cap hits yet. We do know that it's $136 million. But the way that they have constructed their roster is that they do have a lot of players

that are on rookie contracts. So I would assume, that Josh Jacobs is in his last year here, but their top wide receiver is on his rookie deal. Jaden Reed might be approaching time to get paid, but is still on his rookie deal. A couple of their offensive linemen are expensive. Zach Tom, Elton Jenkins, they paid Aaron Banks, so that might be problematic for them. I mean, but we're talking about trying to look two, three years into the future. They're going to play this year and have a really, really good team.

So, you know, uh, Jay. Jason says emergency pod for Kvon Wallace signing. Did they sign Kvon Wallace or is it Kvon Wallace? Sirley Viking, thanks so much for the compliment on the Zulgad interview yesterday. And I really appreciate the super chat. Thank you so much for that. They got Kirk Couss of the defense.

Yeah, I mean, you guys trying to downplay it is actually, you know, kind of entertaining in itself. Because I think you know what a problem this guy is. I mean, if you want to say that it's really going to come down to Jordan Love, it's going to come down to their receivers, that their defense is probably not with that secondary going to be number one in the league, yeah, but how many sacks did they already have on this team from last year? Let me pull that up. How many sacks did they already have? And they just added another 12 or 13. I mean, this is a big, big move for the Green Bay Pack. Packers. And here's, here's why I respect what they've done here. And if I were on their side and I were

covering their team, why I would be saying this is, this is an incredible move for them. And I did see, it's actually funny because I did see a lot of the Packers analysts saying like, oh, you know, I don't, I don't know. I don't know if Parsons is a good idea. Don't overpay, you know, that kind of thing. I guarantee you they're not saying that today. But I, I don't, I don't know, I don't know. I think that they're doing the right thing in this instance because how long do you want to wait if you can't win with micha parsons and jordan love then you're going to have to figure out something else how long do you think that you're going to just slowly build and slowly build if you're the packers yeah last year they had 45 sacks which was eighth if they get the same

number of sacks and add double digits to that they're going to be in the top two or three in the NFL in sacks. It's a scary proposition for the Minnesota Vikings. It most certainly is. So, you know, and getting rid of Kenny Clark, to me, that's not, that's not much. That's not much. And I, and I know, like, looking for silver linings that Kenny Clark's not going to play the Vikings anymore is fine enough.

But last year, Kenny Clark had by far the worst year of his career. I mean, it wasn't, it's not even close last year. 59.3 pff grade, 33 pressures. 2023, Kenny Clark was just as dominant as ever, but last year really fell off the face of the earth. He's 30 years old. I don't think that it's the same as it used to be. If this happened three years ago and they gave up Kenny Clark for Micah Parsons,

I'd be like, well, Kenny Clark's pretty darn good too, but not too much. So how much swap talent? I mean, what did Kenny, did Kenny Clark have like one sack last year? Yeah, they gained a lot here. They gained a lot. So Todd's not worried. Well, that's good. That's good, Todd.

Look, I think that the Vikings are equipped with Christian Dara saw and Brian O'Neill. But this is a player that there isn't a solution to. You know, and I agree, Rob, that the Vikings have guys too. I know that. I know that. Our center signed Clark's paychecks is absolutely true. They trade a star defensive tackle, a guy who was a star. A guy who was a star.

So I don't think, Adam, that the Vikings are screwed because of this. I think that it just became harder because where I put the Green Bay Packers before was pretty clearly in third place in this. I mean, I say that as if we know it's going to happen. That's where I had them. That's where I was projecting them is third place pretty strongly behind the Vikings and the Lions. Now I think it's much closer to even for all three teams. And then that's why they play the games, right?

Not completely insane. It says all Parsons does is get on his podcast and complain about his own team who wants that. You know what? I think you actually do make a fair point there that Parsons can be problematic. And I think that is a fair point. And when I was just asking around about like, hey, is this real or whatever? that was one thing that came up is that some teams might be afraid that Parsons is a podcaster. Parsons had some off-field stuff in college.

He, you know, has not maybe handled this situation with the utmost maturity where he was taking a nap on the table or whatever during a preseason game. I mean, he's, he's been a little bit on the, like, you're not quite sure what he's going to do or say. So he might go on his podcast and trash his teammates. about that and I think I do think it's funny that you know you guys are bringing up like do you realize the Vikings have the yes I've talked all offseason about the Vikings front seven and what I said was this is this evens the playing field this evens the playing field because I thought that the Vikings front seven was clearly far and away the best in the NFC north and now it's a lot closer to the Green Bay Packers and the Packers have the best player there.

I shot you 99. Could the Vikings have made this kind of trade? I don't see how. I mean, okay, so who's the, who's the Kenny Clark? Is that like Van Ginkle? But he's coming off a great year, not a bad year. Two first round picks, yeah, but I mean, are you giving up, are you trading, I don't know, are you training Dallas Turner?

Would they take that? I don't know if they would take that because he doesn't have the track record. So you'd probably have to trade Van Ginkle. I don't think that that works. And salary cap wise, no, absolutely not. The Vikings could not have made it work. The Vikings have pushed themselves already for the future to the top of the brim. Like, this is your football team.

And you're going to find out whether it's good or not. But they've spent and spent and spent and spent. So big deal, he's not Lawrence Taylor. Man, he's dang close. He's dang close. You could say, you could tell me over and over again. He's not that good. Go look at the numbers.

He is that good. And here's what I think. Bottom line, NFC North, man. Look, here's how I view this. You're in a position right now as Minnesota Vikings fans to not have to hope for the AFC self to save your butt. You don't have to hope that another team in your division tanks. You built this roster to beat anybody in the NFL.

Quasi Adafo Mensa said in his first press conference at the beginning, of training camp, that the idea was to build a team that could win a lot of different kind of fights, meaning battle with anybody in the NFL and another team getting this grade of a player, it definitely makes it harder. But that's what you're supposed to be built to do. So I think that what we're really going to see here is the true test. How well did they really do? because it's not going to be pumped up by a schedule.

It's not going to be pumped up by, oh, your division was just garbage like it wasn't 20, 22. Here's a bunch of free wins. Or last year, oh, you're playing the AFC South. They're garbage. Here's a bunch of free wins. It's not going to happen that way. And the teams you've got to beat to get there,

including on the last day of the season. I mean, to me, this is just football guys. Wow. How, I mean, if you're not, if you're not in your Viking fan jersey, Take it off for a second. Wow, right? Like, how cool is the football right now with Micah Parson going to the Green Bay Packers? How cool are the matchups that are about to happen? Derisaw versus Micah Parsons last game of the season, Vikings Packers,

whose roster is stronger, who's better, who's going to make the playoffs on the last day or something? I mean, that's good. That's just good stuff. That's just good drama. Oh, and another point that somebody made. made. Sorry, the, the chat's moving quick on me here. But another point that someone made that I think is true, another good move by the Vikings to prepare themselves for this was a big old husky gentleman that they got for the backfield, Jordan Mason, that the way that they built the offensive line and the way they built the backfield, now with Kenny Clark out, I think may end up playing one of the biggest roles on

this team and their success, which is running the football. And when you look at the Green Bay Packers now and you look at their interior D-line and you look at their linebackers, you look at their secondary, how good are they versus the run? Now, that's something that, you know, you're usually willing to give up as the Vikings are themselves by getting Hargrave and Allen. Michael Parsons is a run defender, just okay, just okay. A lot of mistackles.

I mean, when I say a lot, I mean like nine. It's not a ton, but it's some. Tackling is not perfect. Run defense is not perfect. That's not really his strength. He is one of the elite, truly elite pass rushers. You know, I said Lawrence Taylor earlier, you know, probably Derek Thomas was the quickest guy that I can remember being like Parsons.

I thought that Khalil Mack won a lot with his strength and with his deep bag of pass rush moves. Maybe Vaughn Miller. It's kind of like a Vaughn Miller, right? I see him as being like that. But the one thing that they may be vulnerable to is the run game. And the Vikings do have an improved run game. Relax, Matthew.

No way will I relax. What are we talking about here? Did you guys expect me to tell you? No, Mike Parsons is no good guys. Come on. I mean, that's that. What are we doing here? I'm not going to lie to you.

I just, from my seat, this just took Vikings Packers matchups and cranked them up. Just turned up the volume on Vikings Packers matchups. On the Battle of the Builds that was the NFC North, think about the Battle of the Builds, which was the Vikings and their competitive rebuild starting in 2022. They've got two seasons, regular seasons that were great, no playoff wins.

Detroit came this close to going to the Super Bowl, didn't pull it off. And then last year gets upset with this tank team that they built with all through the draft. Vikings have built all through free agency. And then you have Chicago. They go to the bottom. They get their number one overall quarterback and actually a great trade from Carolina. But they get their number one overall quarterback. They've tanked.

They've spent a ton of money around it. And Green Bay has been the team that sort of just transatlantic. transitioned quarterbacks and has been a slow churn. It's an ad of Josh Jacobs. It's an ad of Aaron Banks. It's a lot of draft picks that they've developed and spent on the D-line. They've hit on some on the offensive line with Jenkins and Zach Tom. They haven't done that well at the wide receiver position.

They didn't want to pay Devante Adams. They moved him to the Raiders. It's been more of a slow build. And now they just push the gas all the way down. I mean, if you don't think, that that is interesting, exciting, that these matchups with the NFC North are going to be absolutely fantastic. And look, if you can't win them, then you're just not good enough.

That's how I look at it is, I think a lot of you are kind of like, no. But I don't think you have to be that way. The team is built to the point where they should be able to take on teams like this. And I think it's just going to make for gray football. That's how I look at it. I mean, you guys can go back and you can, point out you said Reggie White right no yeah I mean Reggie white dude that that was a move that completely overhauled what the Green Bay Packers were like a pars is one of the five best players

at his position it's just a fact it's just the numbers led the entire NFL and pressures in 23 last year he was only 10 pressures behind jonathan grenard played 200 fewer snaps he's good he's really good that I didn't say you'll never beat the Packers because of him. And I'm saying with Reggie White, I did not say he is Reggie White. I said that he is reflective of the Reggie White deal that the Packers made once upon a time. Like that's the one if you're the old school football fan, that's the one you're going to

go back and look to. But hey, that's a, you know, that's a good example. Lucas in Vikings history is, you know, Jared Allen. He's kind of Jared Allen like. I think that that is a good comparison. Just the lightning, I did not. I said it's reflective of the Reggie White trade guys. I didn't say he is Reggie White.

But he's one of the, look, he's one of the best players. He is one of the best players in the entire NFL. I don't think there's any way that you can deny that based on what he's done over his first five seasons. He's in his prime. It's unbelievable that someone would trade this player. And if he was traded here, I know you guys would be. 3D printing out Lombardi trophies and trotting down downtown Minneapolis with them holding them up thinking you're going to win the Super Bowl.

So if the shoe was on the other foot, you would be talking nonstop about how he's Chris Dolman or he's Jared Allen or whatever because he really is that good. And I am aware, believe it or not, that they had Brett Favre then. And I think I did make that point that, you know, a lot of this does have to do with Jordan love still and with their offensive line and with their wide receivers and all those things. But this changes, it changes the dynamic of the entire division. There's probably three players who could get traded in the league that could change the dynamic of an entire division and the Green Bay Packers just got one of them.

So I am, I am amazed by the National Football League right now. I can't believe it. I thought, you know, I was thinking today, like, oh, man, I got a lot of cool stuff from TCO Performance Center, which I'm going to bring you very shortly because I don't know how much more I could say about this other than just like, let's play football, let's go. This division, my good. I like good football guys.

I know, I know every, like you guys are from a different seat. You want your team to win. You want the Packers to stink. You want everything to go wrong for them. Maybe it will. Maybe he'll tear apart the locker room. Maybe he won't perform to his level or whatever. We'll see.

It's that kind of big swing trade. But what I like is showing up to the stadium and looking at the football teams that are about to kick the ball off and being like, this should be a good one. Thinking about a game all week, preview in a game all week. When, when Micah Parsons comes in to play Christian Derisaw, I mean, it's Tyson Holyfield with that, right? That is the best versus the best. That's going to be something to watch.

and the Packers, man, they just, they just, and sadly, you folks are going to have to watch the Packers on a lot of TV debate shows coming up because of the Micah Parsis trade. But they just made these games against them. They made every Packers game pretty darn interesting to see how this thing's going to play out because everybody in this division has a argument for being.