Purple Insider - a Minnesota Vikings and NFL podcast - Vikings cut Brian Asamoah, Rondale Moore out for the year (Part 2)

Episode Date: August 13, 2025

Matthew Coller reacts to the Vikings news that they are releasing Brian Asamoah and that Rondale Moore is officially out for the year. What's next at WR? What does this say about Kobe King? The Purple Insider podcast is brought to you by FanDuel.

Uh, Herm says any Elijah Williams reps got to tell you, Herm, Elijah Williams, one of the big winners of the first preseason game, I would say. He was an absolute beast. He went out there and got four quarterback pressures, uh, made a difference on a number of plays. And he has a burst to him. He's got a power to him. He's got a drive. And just from what I've heard sounds like a really bright kid. So, you know, when when a guy comes in from one of those All-Star games, like the HBCU All-Star game, there's been other ones Levi Drake Rodriguez played in something I haven't heard of. The Senior Bowl is another one. The Shrine Bowl is another one. Those are, those are often telling. You know, Josh Mattelis was really good

in his Senior Bowl. And the Vikings have drafted out of that, you know, more than once. So, So, you know, when it comes to, you know, when it, when it comes to Elijah Williams, I think he's a guy that is absolutely going to be on the practice squad and has a chance to develop into something into next year. 53 would be hard just because it's really packed. But I think when it comes to his outlook, he's made a really, really good first impression. See, this is where, this is where I'm not, I'm just not going to keep going into this because I don't need to do this every day. but, you know, Marley's saying that drafting is the most important aspect of a GM's job. I just can't understand the obsession. I can't understand the obsession.

It's the best indicator of long-term sustainable success. First of all, long-term sustainable success is a myth in the NFL. It's an absolute myth. The only way you have long-term sustainable success is if you have Josh Allen or you have Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes. those are the only ways that you have long-term sustainable success. Here's what the best GMs in the NFL do. They build up rosters that have peaks to them and have windows that are open to try to win.

And what the Vikings have done with their current general manager is they have opened up a window around J.J. McCarthy by handling the salary cap brilliantly, by hiring a coach in Kevin O'Connell, who could create an environment that players want to come play by having an ownership that's willing to spend the money on free agents to bring them there. And by building a team that people know with the coaching staff,

with the assistance, with the defensive coordinator, with the offensive play caller, that people know you're going to get the best out of me. Every free agent that I talked to who came here said, well, the NFLPA survey was a big deal. And that I know this. coaching staff is going to get the most out of me and also like wink wink nod they paid me like they don't say that part but they did that's why that's why they're able to do that and also they're

able to find under the radar players i mean you just you can't look at an ivan pace junior in the contribution over the last couple years and be like oh that doesn't matter it it absolutely does matter to be able to find an undrafted free agent like that and now you see gay murphy you see of Maya Vaughn you see even heck even max brosmer like they've been really good at that that apparently doesn't count the only thing that counts is a third round draft pick who was 220 pounds and didn't work out i mean i just don't get it that is it's not the sign of a general manager understanding the because it's random because you can go through any GM's drafts over the years like do the work go look at anybody's drafts go look at san francisco we were anointing them as being so brilliant right

a couple of years ago, go look at their drafts. Go look at, go look at Philly's drafts. You want to, you want to crown them? Go look at a couple of years ago when they were drafting Jalen Rager over Justin Jefferson, but they're geniuses, right? Why are they geniuses? Because Philadelphia understood the windows to win and when to invest big. And then they hit on a few big draft picks after that.

They understood the positions, the money of where to spend, to spend a first round draft pick on AJ Brown and how to stack a roster when, your quarterback was still cheap. That's what the Vikings have done. That's, to me, understanding where you are as a franchise and acting accordingly is the true best sign of a general manager, not whether you hit on your third round draft pick from 2022. I think there's a lot more evidence of that of sensing the moment when your team has a legitimate

chance to win and making the moves. Even you want to give San Francisco credit, give them credit for like a Christian McCaffrey trade. I didn't think that was a great trade and then they went out and did it because that was their time to win. That was when their roster was peaking. So, you know, they don't, when you walk up there to accept the Lombardi Trophy, they don't go. Did you do it through the draft? Because if you didn't, move on.

Oh, you had, you had free agents who were 30? Oh my gosh. Do you guys know that veteran teams win the Super Bowl, by the way? Anyway, I knew this would go into silly season. wanted me to go there so i went there they've got better linebackers they found one of them in free agency fire quacy oh man oh man what what a day for you for you people who just really as the team looks great out there from top to bottom and everybody's talking about like yeah this viking roster so good and you're just hanging on to like maybe i get one more shot in before

the season starts and they're a good team i don't know after a 14 win season Anyway, uh, Jorgans sweat, swest, Jorgas, sorry, Jorgian, uh, I know that Joe Huber took college snaps across the line, including center with Zeke Karel out. Is Huber going to see any time at center? I mean, he did one day and it didn't work out very well. Uh, they might have to get somebody else. Or they signed someone, Michael Gonzalez, I hadn't heard of him, but they, yeah, I mean, we're talking about the third center here.

Joe Huber is a guard, though. think he's very much a guard uh rage the beast within says uh that sounds like me every time someone brings up this draft class i wonder if the vikings will have uh max broszmer become the third stringer i think they will i definitely think they will yep the way that he's performed he looks to me like uh somebody who should be a number three quarterback in the nfl right away and has uh potential in the future to be a backup i don't think that there's anything more to find out about Brett Rippin. If someone picks him up, they pick him up.

Nick says, Quacy admits they failed and says he learned from it. Yep. I mean, it happens a lot. It happens a lot all around the league. You can look at any team. You'll find a draft that didn't work.

That one didn't work. Tom says, how do you feel about the depth of the O line if someone misses time this year? And not particularly good, but especially attacking. that's where I mean Walter Rouse I think has been coming along the the fact that he played left and right tackle in training camp and then a lot a lot of left I think he played a little right to also in the preseason game tells me that they like where he's at all right tackle when just in school is there so if Darisaw is in in practice rouse moves over to right tackle school I have not felt great about but I never felt great about David Questenberry either or you know probably Rashad Hill was the best swing tackle they've had in a while and you know you only wanted a game or two out of him uh the guard position though you should be fine blake brandle and then the center

spot out michael jurgens was good in the run uh did not grade particularly well as a pass protector i don't think it look if you're a center that is a really good pass protector you are starting you're not a backup like michael jurgens um so he's coming along a little bit i don't feel great about that but i don't feel great about any backup center. I don't think in the entire league. The issue that I was concerned about the most is some of the snaps, but you shouldn't be fumbling snaps. No matter who it is a quarterback, no matter what's going like, it just shouldn't happen. And it's happened in practice. And it's also happened in the games. That would be the biggest concern for me about Juergens. I think he can get in there

and play if they need him to. But can he be as good as Ryan Kelly? No, no, of course not. Susan, is there any news about Gavin Bartholome? We have not heard any. I think he was what on the Pup list. And, you know, that's, it just seems like there is not going to be much of a 20, 25 for Gavin Bartholomew. I mean, if you're competing for tight end three and you're not out there by the middle of camp, it's pretty hard to see you jumping in.

It's EurSek or it's going to be somebody else that they pick up. TLS, thank you so much for the. the super chat making sense i try i try we try to work through these things uh logically the best that we can and keep everything in perspective the best that we can though that's the that's the job here folks i know a lot of you out there either own your own business or you are in a management position where you have to hire people and it can be such a headache you have to sort through all sorts of resumes of people who aren't qualified and you end up overlooking some of the best candidates it's tough but what is not tough is using ZipRecruiter for your hiring need.

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That seems like a reach. I think teams are plenty of scared of Justin Jefferson. And I think it's probably a good thing if they're concerned about your defense. Right now, it reads to me, and I'm going to have an interview with Mike Sando, who did the quarterback tiers. But if you read the quarterback tier article from the athletic, what it reads like to me is that nobody knows nothing when it comes to J.J. McCarthy that all the other coaches and the people that they that he interviewed for that story were like, I don't know, are they in love with

him or is he injury prone or like stuff that just sounds like they don't know anything about him at all. And for us that have watched him day after day of practice, we've seen a lot of good things. And we've seen some inconsistency that makes you wonder about what the ceiling is for the offense but also we've seen just to jefferson and this running game has been really impressive so you might end up having like that uh that like when you put something on the one side what does it call like the weight thing like a little weight on the left evens it out so look if he's probably not going to right off the bat throw 35 touchdowns for 4,000 yards and play as well as sam darnal like just probably not right but at the same time if you get a much better running game

your defense continues to be as good as it's been and you could still move the ball and throw the ball effectively with McCarthy under center and hit on some big plays you can even that out you can even out so because last year as good as the offense was I think we all know last year there were inconsistencies that it was hey they just hit a couple of big plays to get ahead in a game and they got a turnover to get ahead in the game but they really didn't hold on to the ball I mean, there was a stretch there where opposing teams really dominated them when it came to their possession. So Frank says, what's your opinion if JJ, oh, talking to somebody else, but what's your opinion if McCarthy and Dallas Turner work out? Well, look, I mean, you know, it's, it's just, it's going to be a thing that some people can't let go kind of like everything else.

That's, you know, we were talking about that with national TV hosts who will still say, bronze not good like as some people get fixated on certain things especially because the draft to some is i think a lot more fun than the actual football season so we can go through all these things and all these the strength of the roster the winning window that they've created the long term contracts that they've been able to sign that now look very reasonable for their superstar players the quarterback they've drafted all the different stuff that this team has done to become a truly competitive team and have a chance in this next two to three years to really chase a championship, which is the goal of the general manager. We can go through all that. But when some folks who

really fall in love with that draft and then it doesn't work out, you know, and maybe they didn't like the draft picks from the start of it, I think they hold on to that a lot tighter than they need to because their goal here is really to try to compete for a championship and win games, not to, you know, get the highest draft grade or whatever. Let's see. 72MRJ says after 53 man roster cuts, is there a position you like to see the Vikings adding? I'm guessing maybe cornerback tight end,

maybe running back. I like where Xavier Scott is for the running back position. Tight end is definitely one right now. I just haven't seen anything from tight end that I like. Euresec, I think, is a practice squad guy that could develop into like a Johnny Mon type, but I don't know if. you're ready to have him actually play much. And corner, I think they're okay there because you'd have Zamaia Vaughn, Dwight McClathens, now going to have another year of development as your

depth guy, Rogers, Okuda. Are you picking up a corner that's really helping you at that point? Probably not, like the Tremaine Brock. There's a different guy for every example, right? Like, they need to pick up a corner like Tremaine Brock, who really didn't help them at all in 2017. uh derricks is more interested to see how our run defense holds up against uh i assume you mean the the patriots um good preview for a matchup against uh gibbs yeah i mean that's a hard thing to figure out i i don't know if you're talking about in joint practices or who we're talking about there but if it's in in joint practices then a little hard to tell sometimes just when it comes to like how well the running game is working in a

joint practice passing game is obviously much easier to see but you're but you're right you know when you're talking about how they handle going up against somebody else if it looks like they're getting run over then that's not great um if it looks like they're holding up okay but i jonathan allen and jvon hardgrave they've been there the guys that i'm really interested in are really levi drake rodriguez and jalen redmond if they get rotated in i think that will tell us something tomorrow's an exciting day, folks. It is an exciting day. William says Naylor was a punt returner at MSU, watched him every Saturday. Yeah, you know, he went in and he had kind of one go over his head. And that was probably the end of that. Punt returning is so much different in the NFL. It's just so

much different in the NFL. The punters are so much better. The guys covering are so much faster. And also, I don't, I don't want Jalen Naylor hearing or having any possibility of an injury. I don't think I would, I would not like to see him back there and then get banged up. And then you're talking about, like, I like where Lucky Jackson is at. I kind of like where J. Sean Jones is. I kind of think Felton's coming along, but you don't want to lose Jailen Naylor. For the Fandul question of the day, David says, if Stafford doesn't become a mortal than the Rams, will miss the playoffs.

I did see that that there was a van. He goes into a van to get treatment. I think he's just taking naps. That's my guess. Turn on a little golf, get a nice couch in there, doze off for a few hours. It's great recovery. It's great recovery.

Will says how did Derisaw look in his first camp versus Donovan Jackson? Derisaw didn't. He did not have a first camp. He actually did not come back, I think, until maybe week five or six. of 2021. I'd have to look it up maybe week four somewhere in that ballpark because he had an injury and it kept him out for the entire training camp. And then he had to ramp up and went his first game was against Brian Burns and Carolina. And he did really well. Donovan Jackson, I think, you know,

we've got the question about how does he look in comparison to Ed Ingram? And I just, I want to take my time with this because it is so difficult to come in and play after playing a college football season where you go win the national championship and then you got to learn everything there is to know on the offensive line against guys who are better than you who are stronger than you who are beasts who are proven over 10 years in the NFL. It's so hard. So I don't want to judge where Donovan Jackson's at. I think that there's been some really obvious wins against him and there has been, you know, sometimes where he's looked like he's going to have to really, really fight in order to get to the point where he is an above average lineman, but I've

also seen him have a lot of impact in the run game. And if he's better in the run game and he's just fighting for it in the past game and can survive and they can give him a little help, it'll be okay. And then it'll come along. But trying to project it's hard. To me, he hasn't looked like he's there yet and that's what the next month has got to be and how much does he grow at that point uh son of beavers free my boy oscar i assume you mean chapman uh you're just like uh k oc doesn't know oscar oscar chapman's name uh the other day so um you know when it comes to uh oscar chapman i really like that ball looked weird man that ball it was like spin around crazy and the part returner for the texans i don't

don't think knew what to do with it. So it was a really good looking punt, but I don't think that you want a new holder. And I know some people are like, what are you talking about holding? But if there's chemistry there over two years with Will Reichard and Ryan Reich, just let it be. And if Wright really struggles, then maybe you consider making a change. But I, I still think that he's okay. Sean says 49ers have an easy schedule, yet lost key personnel, a lot of injuries to start the season i yuk out till week six and uh use check just got inch oh use check is injured as well i didn't know that a few other wide receivers but they're always they're always the 49ers i don't know like do they do they practice with like medieval you know weapons or something like

what is it that the 49ers do that they're always banged up i think that they have a lot of violent players and i remember when they came in 2022 for the joint practice some of the viking guys were like, hey, hold on a little bit here. You know, like we're talking about a joint practice guys. Like you're really going over the top. So, you know, maybe that's why they're always banged up. But I agree with all of your assessment, though. And in terms of that, the 49ers being injured, older, they don't have great depth. They're asking a lot of Brock Purdy. I just think that they're a mid type of team and like you said easy schedule or not that easy schedule could change very quick you get two teams that you didn't expect to be good and then other teams have health

like a lot of times it depends on when you play a team just how good they're going to be uh nick says fan duel has 14 teams higher super bowl odds than the vikings who's the most dubious Tampa Bay. In terms of Super Bowl, Tampa Bay, San Francisco, Green Bay, and the Rams. Yeah. So in terms of, I mean, those, yeah, same teams that I was looking at for dubious for just making the playoffs. But in terms of like who would be a dubious Super Bowl pick, does Tampa Bay seem like a team that can really win the Super Bowl? I'm not sure about that.

The commanders, I mean, you have Jane Daniels, you got yourself a shot. Their general manager, trust me, is going to be considered a genius for many years to come. if Jaden Daniels is what he was last year because they will have a very long winning window because their quarterback is incredible and he's going to make him good every year. The Rams are a good enough team. Really depends on Stafford. I just, I don't see, I don't see Green Bay as being that team and I don't see San Francisco's being that team. Comet says your colleagues, Gessley and Kramer said months ago that the coaches told them that they

drafted Felton to return kicks. Okay, well, good reporting by my friends. Yeah, I mean, he was back there returning kicks the other day. So I assume that that's what they wanted him to do. It was punts, though. Someone asked about punts and I don't think he has returned punts. Kicks, though, clearly he looks like a guy with the explosiveness, the ball handling ability that he could be a difference maker potentially in the kick return. And the fact that he's not somebody who's a main wide receiver would also be kind of attractive to.

Let's see. Derek says not to mention the cap management has been worlds better under Quasi. Well, look, I mean, you're a you're a cap genius. If you can move on from Kirk, they've made the biggest things happen since they got here, this leadership. And the biggest one was getting to the rookie quarterback contract, becoming a destination place for free agents to want to sign. Like, these are the biggest things. And creating, like matching up, this is a hard thing to do. And look at the Patriots.

This is a hard thing to do. matching up when your roster is ascending and is ready to win with a young quarterback together is something that the 49ers did. It's something that the Eagles did. It's something I would say the Texans did pretty well over the last two years making the playoffs. So, you know, I think that that's the best thing that they've done. They looked, they got here with a plan and then they executed the plan really, really well to build this roster. that is the much more important thing than one particular draft because name me a team that doesn't have a signing not work out or i mean look look at the raiders they signed christian wilkins

thinking they got the best player in free agency it didn't work out like sometimes stuff just that just happens guys get hurt guys don't fit in a system guys don't want to play football i don't know stuff happens but in the bigger picture did you time out when your salary cap was going to give you the option of signing players with you were going to have the younger quarterback that you're drafting and is ascending. Did you time those things out with superstars in their prime? Everyone loves to have a bunch of young players. Hey, the Packers, youngest team in the league last year. Worked out great. They got destroyed the playoffs by a team with a lot of veterans and some young players as well. But, you know, really it's about guys in their prime that win, right?

Blake Cashman is in his prime. Jonathan Grenard's in his prime. I mean, it would be wonderful if they were 20, I guess. But if they're in their prime, then you have multiple years of chances to win with those guys as key players. So, Kyle says during training camp, have you found that a guy that screams potential diamond in the rough? Hmm.

Well, there's a few. I mean, Lucky Jackson is obviously one of them who stepped up. Xavier Scott has gotten a lot of mentions on the show. I still think Zamaia Vaughn has shown a lot of potential. Those are probably the biggest ones. But the diamond in the rough, so we were talking about Elijah Williams earlier. I'll throw his name out there as a diamond in the rough, because that's very, very in the rough, Morgan State. But probably, probably Joe Huber is the one that's really stuck out to me, the way that he played the other day.

That's where I thought, you know, that. they found somebody like whoa you know he he might be pretty good but a lie you want to talk about a diamond in the rough elijah william standing out the way he did that would be one that's like the deepest cut i think let's see we got we got a lot of we got a lot of arguing going on tonight with you guys i figure yeah 2022 draft comes up we get a lot of arguing um so you know i mean it is it is is actually pretty pretty funny though because no matter what you say about like where this team is at right now one of the best situations in the entire NFL over for the next two to three years right we would agree with that and still it'll be like but you got to have the young things and like what

they kind of do right addison is young i'd say jordan mason is in the early part of his career christian derisaw is in his prime young jester jefferson is certainly far from old he'll blake cashman in his prime granard in his prime i mean murphy's in his prime you've got like theo jackson there's a young boy oh my gosh they didn't draft theo jacks he doesn't count if theo jackson leads the league and interceptions because the vikings picked him up off of a practice squad from another team identifying him as a really good fit but he was drafted by somebody else so he doesn't count as a young ascending player neither is either is ivan pace or gabriel murphy like come on like these games that we play are kind of silly. They've got a ton of players that are not old.

They've got a handful that are Aaron Jones and Javon Hardgrave and Jonathan Allen, Harrison Smith. Those guys are on the older side. They'll have to replace them eventually. And they'll draft some more players and we'll see what happens. But are we done with all the drafting though, by the way? They've had three. They've had three drafts. I don't think that the, I don't think that the book is, written on j j mccarthy or dallas turner or you know a number of other players so you know they've created themselves a very nice window to try to win and that's the goal you know sean mentions that you know pace is playing at the level of an expected second round pick or or third yeah probably a

third round pick i just i always think of things as from a much much farther back of view because everyone's going to get fooled sometimes. I mean, Marcus Davenport was a good bet. We liked the Marcus Davenport bet. It happened. It's like going out and grabbing a guy who had had down production, but a good amount of pressures and had some injuries. Like, that was a, that was a fine move for where they were, just didn't work out. And so that's going to happen on a micro level all the time. A third round pick linebacker who weighs 225 pounds doesn't work out. it happens so you have to find somebody else you have to do you have to do a good job in other areas which i think they've done it's it's you know it's really hard to argue when a team's coming

off a 14 win season and got better overall that they're doing it wrong that's kind of the main message uh susan says to me udfas who succeed are more valuable than first or second round picks because they will be willing to settle for more reasonable long term contracts you know susan you're not crazy when it comes to that. I mean, that is, that is kind of true that guys who are drafted later, they do get more favorable contracts. Now, I mean, even like Adam Thielen was an RFA in his first contract after that 2016 season was very reasonable.

And they eventually, you know, got that up to the right spot with him. But it kind of took a while. So yeah, I wasn't really thinking of it from that perspective. I just think that if you can be the team that takes advantage of the undrafted free a market and finds five or six of these guys that are contributors like wow more power to you because very few teams are able to do that they've done it so they've done a they've done a lot of things right so far so uh tls uh detroit is starting christian mahogany at left guard i had hoped minnesota would draft him it would have been better in place of will riker um is yeah look

i mean i was never a biggest fan of drafting a kicker i it's that's never going to be a thing that I'm super in favor of. I will say that Will Reichert is a pretty darn good kicker, very talented. We'll see how he does this year. I get you. Sixth round picks, though, it's hard for me to fight about those. It's hard for me to fight about, you know, the, well, they picked this guy in the sixth, but I liked that guy.

Like, yeah, I mean, I get what you're saying, but isn't Mahogany also one of the biggest questions about the Detroit Lions team? I actually thought that that's where you were headed with that. Like, hey, there's this six. rounder they're going to start and they have higher odds with our fan duel question of the day if you missed it earlier the fan dual question of the day was that 14 teams have better odds to make the playoffs on fan duel than the Vikings who's the most dubious of those teams 49ers packers rams commanders or bucks and so i didn't include the lions but if you wanted to throw the lions in

there that's what i thought you were where you were headed with that it would be because they're starting guys who are sixth round draft picks or recent draft picks as opposed to some of the beasts they've had the last few years. Name says, do you think that Brosmer is a potential to compete for QB2 this year, or is he more a year off? The way I've got him right now, just trying to look into the future,

using the crystal ball a little bit, I can foresee Max Brosmer being QB2 next year. Going into next year with maybe a veteran, okay, I'm going to try to reach deep. Who was it? Didn't they have, they had like Buddy, bubby brister compete with somebody in a training camp one year and he didn't win the job i feel like i'm

trying to go back to a year you guys can correct me on what year it was that would be what i think we're looking at next year is they bring in a veteran to compete with brosmer and he's got a good chance to win the job i really like the outlook for uh max brosmer though really look really like the outlook. Rob says the KOC got 4,700 yards, 30 touchdowns out of cousins, Dobbs, Mullins, and the composite of those. And then 14 wins from Darnold. Zero concerns what he could do with JJ or even howl. Yeah. How will I have more concerns, but because it's not like they really won a lot with Dobbs or Mullins in there. They did get some big yards from Mullins. But when it comes to the what we've seen previously it does matter it absolutely matters to uh the the past

to what we think is going to happen in the future with j j mccarthy so everybody asks me on every radio hit or every podcast that that i go on the first question is of course like can they do it with j j mccarthy can they be successful and the first thing i go to is is like Sam Darnold just last year. Now, Sam was more experienced and it was a great thrower. But I think what you really saw there is KOC understand what he did well. And if he has a good, their communication with him and McCarthy is fantastic. Every single day, he's standing right behind that huddle.

And he throws a pass and McCarthy will come back and they'll look at it on the video board and they'll go over it. If he gives him a regular high five, it was pretty good. if he gives him a low five it was great and if he stops him to go over something maybe he wanted a different read the communication's really good and it's just been harder to judge in camp when you don't have justin jefferson i i don't know if he's coming back over these next couple days for joint practices i suspect no so if he comes back in the time that the practices are still open to us which is three more days next week then you know i really want to see that chemistry because

that might look totally different the reason that i thought last year in camp you can go back to these very same camp shows the reason i thought last year in camp that it was going to work for the vikings honestly was because of jefferson because darnold was throwing it up to him and he was making the plays that was why i thought it was going to work and so not having jefferson has probably shaded our view of mccarthy a little bit more toward i don't know i'm having trouble projecting it but we've still got you know time left to evaluate especially the next two days which will be great great shows i think to recap everything that we see for mccarthy uh susan could zavier scott be a punt returner i don't think so he hasn't done it at all

from what i've seen so i don't think so i think Xavier scott is probably something else special teams but i don't think he's a punt return maybe he gets a shot of kick returning i don't know Rob says I watched the all 22 of Donovan and he was okay after being beaten by that linebacker blitz first something to work on with with Donovan Jackson. I just, you know, Phil says he's got to adjust to the speed of the NFL. I feel the same way when it comes to, you know, Donovan Jackson that we've got to just give him time. We've got to just give him time to see where he's able to grow in the next month and in and over the first three or four weeks you know i i i really think that we're going to have to give that time we are going to have to give that time so all right uh

well this uh was an entertaining conversation but it's not completely over because maggie robinson intern maggie uh put together some rookie quarterback performances around the NFL and also some headlines and storylines to discuss so i want to bring you that conversation before we wrap up here today but let me say this newsletter great time to go over to purple insider dot football sign up for the newsletter purple insider dot com also counts you can go there sign up for the newsletter going to have a lot of information coming from the recap of vikings and patriots on the written side will be live 730 central time tomorrow and on thursday night also will have a conversation friday with dane mizatani reacting

And then Dane and I are going to do the post game. I mean, there's a lot coming up here, guys, a lot coming up. It will be very, very exciting over these next few days for the Vikings. So make sure that you're subscribed and tell your friends and all that sort of stuff. And we will have a good old time. So here is my discussion with intern Maggie about some of the rookie quarterback performances around the league and some other headlines as well. Thanks again for watching everybody. all right we welcome back into the show intern maggie robinson formerly a producer for the national

football league now getting the master's degree from syracuse and has been assigned to the show to look around the national football league at other headlines because i have been buried in fourth stringers and who's making the 53 and preseason previews and joint practices and all those things so it has been your assignment maggie to keep an eye on the rest of the national football league so how are we doing and where would you like to begin the discussion i'm doing pretty good it's awesome to have football back and to have things to talk about so i want to kick it off with our rookie qb some of them made some waves this past weekend with honestly some impressive standout performances i don't want to over hype people i'm not trying to play into that machine however some

people had things to write home about so i want to get into them with you okay okay okay who do you want to start with you want to start with shudur sanders because i i have not said i don't think a word about shudur sanders preseason game which maybe might get me banned from the pro football writers association of america because it seems like this one preseason game is doing a lot of heavy lifting for shader sanders career he went up to a reporter after and said you're going to say something nice about me now he wasn't being a jerk he was kind of joking but i was like uh it was just one preseason game my dude uh i think we might be overreacting a little bit to to him but i i don't know do you think that uh we should have hot takes on shudor sanders won preseason game i don't know

i'm mel kuyper's pumping his fist right now i know that for sure but i think he had a solid showing i will call it that i will call it above average but i also think i don't think the bar was incredibly high for shader sanders for him to have a solid performance i think people saw that he had what, 14 of 23, 138 yards, two touchdowns. Great. That's good. That's kind of to be expected, though. Is it not? Let's not blow this into something that it's not. I think a lot of critics were saying he needs to get used to the speed of an NFL game and make decisions faster. And he even said so himself. I think he gave himself like a C plus rating of I need to speed up my processing when I have pressure coming at me. Valid. Good. He's self-aware. That's helpful. And I think he's naming

what we're all seeing. So I was pleasantly surprised with this. I didn't want to see him crash and burn, but also keep in mind, he's in a stacked quarterback room with Joe Flacco, who was guaranteed to be QB1. And Dylan Gabriel isn't going to just sit there idly and let this happen. So take this all with the grant assault. I love how polite you were with stacked. It's it's got bodies. There are people in in mass, you know, crowded, crowded, uh, quarterback room. Well, with, Sanders specifically, I think the NFL told you on draft day what they thought of Shadur Sanders as a prospect, that he is a day three type of prospect. And to me, that doesn't mean you can never start in the NFL. Kirk Cousins did. Deck Prescott did. Hey, did you know,

Tom Brady was a sixth round draft pick? Because Mel certainly let us know that after Shadur was picked and through the rest of all three days. But as far as fifth round picks, they need to really prove it to me and 130 something yards in a preseason game is fine and he didn't fall on his face and that's great but tanner mckee went like 20 for 25 with 250 and two touchdowns i mean guys around the league who will never play or our project backup quarterbacks have played well as you know we're going to talk about a little more so i don't think that it's anything to really react to at all it's just that shader sanders name comes along with attention it's almost like when lebron james's kid played in a couple of games for the lakers he played like five minutes and then went back to

the bench and we got full breakdowns we got full opinions we got tv segments and you're like he's just a bench guy who's kind of in the g league like what are we talking about here and i kind of feel the same way like sanders has not been at the top of that competition and he played okay but he didn't let anybody on fire and off we go for the rest of his career if he makes it he makes it. But I think that even in this early part of camp, there's been clear signs of, yeah, he was not this superstar prospect that he was made out to be because of the PR machine that was Colorado. And I think it's also a little shocking. Shiloh Sanders is sliding under the radar. Same last name, same dad, but I don't know if he, I mean, I do know. He's more humble. He's

quieter about it. He's not in your face and as flashy. But I think they're both going to be solidly average guys they're going to they're going to get time when someone gets hurt or someone needs a break but they're never going to be your stars they're not right right yeah no i feel the same way i think that shader could have a long career in the nfl and if he's going to be anything more than a backup he's going to really have to prove it and i think that he did okay and in taking a step toward that and we'll see where it goes from there who else did you want to talk about someone who i think actually could be a star and again we're talking here about an actually stacked quarterback room in the New York Giants.

We got Russell Wilson, QB1, it's going to happen. Jamis Winston, this is the quarterback room of fives. James Winston, Tommy DeVito, Jackson Dart. But he did pretty great. He had 12 of 19 passing, 154 yards, one touchdown, zero interceptions. He looked good on all these lists. Like he's coming up top of the list for everybody rating his performance. So I think he's making a name for himself.

and it's probably not going to come to fruition this season. Again, he's got some, some good people in front of him. But I think other teams also are taking note and backpocketing this. And you're like, okay, this kid, someone keep my eye out for. Yeah, the Giants are actually quietly sort of interesting because they've really stacked up their defense. And they have Malik neighbors who is already one of the best wide receivers in the NFL. And you could sort of see it working enough to keep Jackson Dart on the sidelines. and Russell Wilson starting, I think if James Winston is playing like something really bad has

happened, because it should be Wilson until it's not. And that that division is such a nightmare that they probably won't be in the playoffs. But even if they're competing for it toward the end of the season, then it's going to be Wilson down the stretch. But I am intrigued by Jackson Dart. It seemed like in the middle of last season, there wasn't any real discussion about him. And then the momentum started to pick up during draft season. And the throw that he made down the sideline for a touchdown was a legit dime that dropped in there perfectly. And I think that that's kind of his specialty is that downfield accuracy. And he was good at that in college. I'm, I'm a little bit intrigued by Jackson Dart. And I think the funny thing about the Giants

organization is that they have just been a, oh man, I mean, a joke, a walking punchline. And especially when they did the hard knocks and then they're talking about don't go to Philadelphia, Sequan Barkley and all that, but I actually think that their management has done some smart things, some really smart things. And not signing Saquan was one of them because what good would that have done them last year? I'm not even sure it would have done them any good this year, would have just wasted everybody's time and Saquan wouldn't have performed like he did. But to draft the quarterback, stack up the defense, draft the superstar wide receiver, I think they're kind of on their way if Jackson Dart is anything. And still the

NFC is the land of who can build the strongest team and then your quarterback does his job until somebody becomes the next, you know, Mahomes or Allen. The NFC is still, that's what the Vikings are buying with J.J. McCarthy. So even though I don't think that Dart has megastar potential, there could be something there in the future as that team builds it up. So I don't, I don't dislike what the giants are doing. And I am kind of intrigued to see if they're six and eight or something. Like, do they go to him at the end of the the season and then how does he look and where do they go from there i i don't want to discount the possibility that he could turn out to be a good quarterback for them i agree and coach dable

use some pretty flattering words that he was efficient effective aggressive and confident that's a pretty solid report back from the head coach if i'm quarterback and i'm hearing that i'm like all right i'm doing the right thing like stay on this trajectory i do think it's a down the line this is not an immediate kind of thing for him it's a let's develop them keep it going but I think intrigued is the key word here. And as a coach speak expert, I always look for just how specific a coach is. Like, if they're not pleased, they'll say, well, you know, they're going to keep working and showing up every day. And like, okay, but did you like anything about it?

But that sounds like Brian Daibel was pretty pleased with that. Yeah, I would agree. Someone else who stood out had a great showing, Jalen Milrow out of Alabama. I think I personally was not seeing all that much. type about this guy. I think he was kind of quiet coming out, which is funny. He's from Alabama, but he had a pretty good performance. He's very mobile, very agile. I think those were two things that a lot of scouts noticed from his Alabama performance, and it's translated well into his rookie showing. But he also has a great arm. He's just very raw. I think there's a lot of room

for potential. A lot of people are saying he has a really high ceiling, but we got to wait and see if he can get there. Like we can see where he could go, but let's see how long it's going to take. Obviously, he's going to be back up behind Sam Darnold. Sam will be playing, I would assume, starting this season. And we know that he had a standout performance last year. So he's going to learn a lot. He's going to be in a good position to develop. But it was cool to see him break out and kind of make more of a name for himself early on.

In terms of pure athleticism and arm strength, Milro is the best quarterback in the entire draft, other than Cam Ward, but maybe even including Cam Ward, because he can absolutely sling it and his speed. I don't know if he ran at the combine, but he would have run probably a four, three something, four, four something, just an explosive incredible athlete, but playing the quarterback position, I feel like for a guy like Milro, the preseason is perfect for him because he doesn't have to deal with anything complex from defenses and guys are going to be open and the defenses are going to play vanilla.

When you saw him in college, he would kind of just pick somewhere to throw the football and it was going there no matter what. And he is a project, somebody who needs multiple years, but actually, you know, I was thinking about him through the lens of like an Anthony Richardson. Richardson was drafted so high that the Colts were like, oh, we've got to put him in right away. And they did not develop him. They did not give him time. And then no surprise, he's in over his head at the beginning of his career. He gets hurt. He gets setbacks. And for Milro, this might be the absolute best thing he could have dreamed of. I'm sure he was disappointed that he wasn't a first round draft pick, but to end up as something like

a third round pick and then sit behind Darnold for a couple years, he's a guy you truly could see showing up in a couple years. It kind of reminds me of like Malik Willis, who's turned into a good backup for the Packers and may someday get his chance, but Willis wasn't ready. He was just a great athlete with a great arm who needed to learn how to really play football and try to harness all that talent. But I'm going to keep an eye on Milro. I think that Seahawks fans want to see him sooner than later because they know there's a ceiling on Sam Darnold, but I would just say patience, patience, everyone, give the guy time to learn how to play and maybe you've got something there. Agreed. He needs time to cook, you know, he's got to develop

skills, figure it out. Someone who I think, obviously coming out the gate is going to be good and has proved it. First overall draft pick Cam Ward. They're throwing him right into the fire here, But he went five of eight, 67 yards, 89.1 passer rating in his first performance against the Buccaneers. So, yeah, they lost, but he was only in for a little bit. And he had a pretty solid showing. Again, I think all these rookies that I'm saying kind of just like piqued your interest a little bit. And we're like, all right, I can see what the scouts are seeing now because I've heard about it and I've read about it because I'm consuming football as anyone in your audience is. But to see it in action in real time with real NFL players, I don't care if they're third story.

ringers. That's fine. Just kind of shows you like what these guys have and where they can improve. So for me, I thought he did pretty solid. Was it Kyle Brandt who went on a big rant after the draft about Cam Ward not getting any attention at all? It's just continue to be true. And your friends over there with the schedule makers did not give us a whole heck of a lot of Cam Ward for the national TV audience. We're just going to have to see the highlights from the number one overall draft pick. He is truly the least hyped number one over. all draft pick quarterback that I have ever seen in my entire life. And I actually think that's great for him.

That's a terrible team. I don't know that that coach knows what he's doing. Their receivers are bad. They might have a decent run game and offensive line, but I think they got another running back hurt the other day. I mean, they are in tough for Cam Ward. So if he survives this year and shows some guts and plays okay, then I think that you're going to be talking about a team to pay attention to in the future.

but as of right now, I understand why there hasn't been any attention because they're just not a relevant franchise really at all until they prove that they are. And Cam Ward also seemed like, and I think he's a good prospect, but he's not a great prospect. And he probably would have gone as the fourth or fifth quarterback the year before, which I also think impacted the amount of hype where it's like, yeah, he's number one overall, but is he really? Or did they just absolutely have to draft someone number one overall. But he's, he's got a good arm. His arm is seriously live. And I think he's going to be kind of fun to watch in his first year, if I ever see him.

The four scheduling team really did you zero favors there. And as a long, I bring Titans fan at myself, my parents are also disappointed. However, I think what something that stood out about him that I've read about and seen is his work ethic. I think that kind of sets him apart from other people. And it's really cliche to say, oh he has a really strong work ethic but this kid really is coming in he's the first one in the mornings he's putting in the extra time he's asking coaches extra questions he's staying late he's doing what he can to differentiate himself but yeah i agree it was a weak quarterback class i think everyone knew that so played into the lack of hype but also he's a humble

guy so i think he's almost comfortable in this space of like i don't need all that gas right now like i'm good i'm here to do what i'm going to do and i'm going to learn from it and then develop versus Caleb Williams, who is just on the cover of everything, interviewing everyone, you know what color his nails are on a given Wednesday. I think it's kind of helpful to just have a low-key start into the league and then build yourself up. I don't think we do guys' favors when we overhype and coming in. Think of Shador Sanders, prime example, you know?

So I think he's happy with this slow entry. Yeah, I think that's a great point, that there are certain markets where it's not as hard to come into the NFL. you talk about Chicago. I mean, I think it's probably just a really big coincidence, kind of like how if you call heads or tails flipping a coin, I mean, you're supposed to get it 50% of the time, but you'll probably make or miss 10 in a row and be like, well, how did that happen? But, you know, so I think Chicago's just been on the wrong side of that. But I also think that it breaks people mentally at the quarterback position because they have no time to develop.

And Caleb Williams, based on his skills and his issues, I think in any other place, they would have wanted him to sit for half the season, maybe not the whole year, but kind of like Drake May did, where just get the sense of it. But in Chicago, no way. They've had way too many bus, way too much bad history. They had a coach who was trying to save himself. I think that Cam Ward is coming into a position where he doesn't have that kind of pressure. He just has no one to help him play football, which will be a major part of the trouble. That could be a small issue, but that's for him to figure out later in the season and for us to watch at 1 p.m. on a given Sunday. So something else I wanted to talk about. Unfortunate here, I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but we've had some injuries taking out some key players, namely Jordan Love is getting a surgery. Matthew Stafford has messed up his back. I want to talk about it. We're going to run through my IR list that I've kind of compiled of the top guys who we're not going to see either early on or for the whole season. Let's kick it off.

We're Minnesota fans here. Rondale Moore. KOC called us on a heartbreaker. That's exactly what it is. He just signed a one-year deal with the Minnesota Vikings. And now as out for the rest of the, excuse me, out for the rest of the season after dislocating his right knee at training camp. Is that correct?

Last year, he dislocated that. Yes, yeah. We don't know the specific injury, but it was a very serious leg injury that's going to keep him out the rest of the year. And it was extremely sad to see him go down. It was the first play that he got the ball. The dislocated knee happened last year, at least that Matt Daniels had said that that's what his injury was.

It was never officially announced, but he was out for the entire season, had to recover, and then came back and still had his burst and looked like he was going to carve out a roll for himself. And then he ends up going down right away. Yeah, there's only one way to describe. It was just crushing. You could hear the pin drop in the stadium. him. All of his teammates came out when he was on the car. It was tough. It was tough. And this is why

you don't see coaches play some of their starters because that's a loss for them. And he needed it coming off the injury to get back into the game. But one play gets taken down the wrong way. It wasn't anything he did wrong. He was just headed toward the sideline, got dragged down. And that's it for his season. Football can be brutal that way. Yeah, that one was hard to watch. Another one. This is top of mind for a lot of people. Jordan Love is undergoing surgery for his left thumb. There's a ligament that he injured. They didn't give us any more detail, but he's taking this next week off to get this surgery to repair it. And then they said he'll be back for week one, but he won't attend joint practice with the Colts, won't be up for that game. But the Packers GM sounded very confident in a press conference saying, no, he'll be back. He'll be ready. We just got to get this taken care of. I want to say, I can empathize, not to make this about me, but I also tore a ligament in my left thumb. That's hard when you got to catch a ball and you have to like direct it and that's a hard ligament to have messed up. So serious injury, but it sounds like they're going to get taken care of. And if it's getting taken care of now, hopefully it's not remaining and hanging

over him the rest of the season. Yeah. What I wondered about Jordan Love was just his injuries last year set him back. And is that going to be the case again? Because when you hear thumb and there might be more than one ligament. So I don't know if it's the same one that you had happened to your thumb, but it's, if it's, you know, you're talking about your hand, that doesn't exactly start Jordan Love out on a great path here. And sometimes, you know, injuries can just come for certain people. And he had that happen last year where it was multiple injuries and it did set him back. And I think this is an enormous year for Jordan Love. Maybe just because the way they're talking about it, it is nothing and we'll never remember that he had this little

surgery and everything is fine. But if it does plague him in any way in terms of the accuracy, the release of the football, whatever it might be, and he's impacted again, I mean, they're going to be looking around going, we sign this guy to an enormous contract and he's not quite what we wanted him to be because they decided after that first year that he was the next Aaron Rogers, he's been good, but he hasn't been the next Aaron Rogers. And if he's going to have some injuries, I hate the term injury prone because you kind of are until you're not like you have bad things happen to you. And then if you don't, then you're not. Right. Rondale Moore, is he injury prone or just unlucky? And that might be the same thing for Jordan Love from last year. But if this affects the way that he throws, he's already not like the most perfect pristine passer. He's kind of all gas and no breaks when it comes to the way he plays. So if it's a slow start for him, he's recovering from a surgery, the packers can fall behind. It is a really darn good division. It's a really good division. This also does feel like you were saying, like a make a break

year for him. Like prove yourself now and cement yourself as like, no, this is what I'm here to do. I've grown and I'm here. Or if it's a slow start as you're alluding to, like, that's hard. You can only, the game moves fast and people want to win games and they want to in divisions. And if this isn't your year, it wasn't your year, truthfully, like the past three. So, you know, it's almost like at some point, rubber hits the road. You got to prove yourself. And this does feel like a very impactful season for him. And I hope for his sake that this isn't a problem. We can get past it. But it's definitely something to keep an eye out for. And on the Stafford side of things, that's another one. I mean, one, if the Vikings were thinking they could get

a hold of the Rams backup quarterback, if they're looking for a QB swap or something, something. I don't know if that's going to happen now with Stafford. What I can't figure out is Matthew Stafford for his entire career has been dinged up. It's been one thing after next. He's one of the toughest quarterbacks out there, but also kind of perpetually on the injury report. And it's always something. It's a back. It's a shoulder. It's whatever he's kind of grinding through. But that adds up after a while. He had a great year last year in the second half obviously played really well in the playoffs against the vikings and against the eagles but that's somebody who is just compiled a ton of injuries over the years and you do have to wonder with a team

that is really excellent from top to bottom in los angeles is he going to be healthy enough because last year it's so interesting like mike sandos quarterback tier list um people around the league had him as a first tier quarterback and i respect the heck out of him but i didn't think that last year for the majority of the season. And now you're asking him to try to lead them deep into the playoffs again, starting out with an injury. I think that raises a lot of questions in another division that's got some pretty good teams. I also want to highlight it's not just like any casual injury. This man has an aggravated disc in his back and he's 37. He was taking epidurals before games and practices just to manage the pain. That sounds serious to me. I don't have a doctor

background, but if I'm taking an epidural for any sort of pain, it means I am not messing around. So then I'm expected to go out and play with potentially getting hit, hitting the ground, come back up doing it again. I just, you question his durability here, I think. Yeah, I mean, going forward, like once you get to a certain age, you are always kind of on like injury or fall off watch. And I think he's kind of blinking red right now when it comes to that. As you said, I mean, when you're having to go through serious things to even get back on

the field, I thought that Matthew Stafford was going to. going to retire. It just made sense to me. They went deep in the playoffs. So they got to play off win. And you sort of end mostly on top. He won the Super Bowl already. But maybe one of those guys that is going to have to kind of be dragged off the field at some point. Like he's he certainly is a gamer and he's a warrior. But I'm just wondering, like, is this the time it finally catches up to him. Yeah. And also at some point, I don't want to just like break like beat this down. But you're also a human being and you have a life outside of football. Like at what point you have a family and kids, you still want to be able to play with them.

You got an aggravated back. Like, you know, it's always in the back of my head when I'm thinking about the older guys with serious injuries is like, okay, you've done great. You have done more than enough. You have cemented yourself in NFL history. Let's back it up. Let's end on a high note. Right. I hurt my back moving a couple of years ago.

Terrible. Absolutely terrible. It is the worst, like to have a back injury, like even just standing up and like, oh, it's frozen, you know, whatever it might be, uh, anybody who's had a back injury knows it is awful to try to deal with. It's not like, oh, you throw your arm in a sling and you'll be good in two months because it can come out of nowhere. You could just be, oh, I'm just going to get up from the couch and then all of a sudden it seizes up on you. I feel for you, Matt Stafford. We have the exact same injury history where I hurt myself picking up a box and you hurt yourself

from 20 years of football. It's the Matthews. I don't know. yeah we're exactly this i also throw the ball just as hard yeah i'm sure you do yeah absolutely i want to wrap this segment up though we just came off some injuries bad news let's lighten it up a little bit the green bay packers kicker i love a good story and this is a great one this guy mark mcnamey had never played american football had not played in the nfl until this game this past weekend. He played in the Canadian Football League and previously was a goalkeeper for a league in Ireland. But his journey here has been nothing sort of incredible. So he signed for the team in July 22nd, 2025, so very recently. And there were immigration issues. The Packers even hired

an immigration lawyer to try to get him overseas faster. He started playing soccer, obviously, kicking a ball very different soccer wise ball is circular hip comes off your foot differently but the basics are the same you know how to kick a ball for distance for height i was a goalkeeper it's it's hard but it's not that hard so he started training for the afl back in 2023 and by 2025 he was signed to a pro team so he qualified for the irish kicking competition which is a real thing after training with a personal trainer and then the pittsburgh steelers had a game abroad and they hosted a kicking clinic in Ireland. He got some looks there and he was like, all right, I should pursue this, quit his full-time job. This is just a normal schmegular guy, you know, and committed to training

for the Combine. And he came over through the IPP, which is an international player pathway that the NFL has. He had a pretty good showing. And again, he got some looks, but people were really hesitant. This kid has never played football before. You can be great, but like being great in this setting and being great on an NFL field in a real game different things so no one signed him it was kind of crickets signed with the CFL and then got released because again they're like you seem good but like not great and we don't want to take a risk on you so he goes back to Ireland continues training this is a story of so much tenacity anyway was signed with the Packers in July and then had three kickoffs in this preseason game and is now a fully rostered NFL kicker and I think that is a

phenomenal story. It is. And my only reaction to that is I know that someday your guy, R.G. Roger Goodell will make an 18 game season and they will take away another preseason game. But I hope the preseason never dies because you just never know what guy is going to completely come out of nowhere and shock you. Is it the Dallas Cowboys kicker? Wasn't that guy, similar story soccer player who just decided he wanted to play there was the guy from detroit jake bates who was in the xFL or you have whatever ufl and then they sign him because he was hitting 60 yard bombs i mean you just never know who's going to show up and make a name for themselves in a preseason game and carve out some sort of career maybe he probably won't make the

team but maybe somebody else's kicker gets hurt and they pick him up and they give him a shot and he kicks a game winning field goal or something that these stories can only live with the preseason they would not be trying out the kicker from ireland if it was not in the preseason but it does remind me of one time that the vikings made a trade for a kicker slash punter by the name of corey vedvick and there was some thought that he might be the first guy in the league recently since the ball is the current shape uh since the forward pass to be a kicker and punter and only take up one roster spot. Unfortunately, he couldn't do either.

Not not at this level. I mean, he could certainly kick it farther than any of us, but he did not kick very accurately. And he out kicked his coverage and gave up a punt return for touchdown. And that was the end of the Corey Vedvick story. But for one day, Mike Zimmer sat at his golf cart and told local reporters, including myself, that there was a chance that he could. kick and punt so that's like a two and one shampoo like you have really high expectations for you're like this could save me so much time and money this is awesome and it never works out

quite the way you expect you know i don't know but i've never tried a two and one shampoo but i will keep that in mind for the future if i consider it uh maggie robinson another great segment from you around the NFL during the preseason here and certainly a noticeable change from the lack of headlines when you started in early july but these segments are great and I'm super glad that we can do them. So thank you for your time as always. Great to have you back. Thanks for having me.